Find Your Adventure with Katt Williams

29:57And then I was living multiple lives, but the money made it possible for me to have that freedom. And I learned that pretty early on. What was your alter ego with your money? when you went to school? Were you one way at home because you were dressing different and then you took your lawnmower money and went to school and your whatever? Who were you? I had a relationship with the candy lady. So I was in sales already and I was buying at a wonderful price, upselling and supplying schoolmates with candy and treats. So you were that kid. You were the kid that had the nigh laters. Plus I had money.

30:41So I didn't have to, I was able to treat the women that I liked. Nice. Really nice. Nice. And I learned that supplying happiness to people. So you were Money Micah early. Yes. Money Micah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Is that where your character came from? Money Micah, you were practicing that? At 13. It seems like it's all planned out. But, you know, God showed me early on that there was this pathway and I wasn't really certain of how to make sure that I was on it or behaving correctly. So you get to Miami. Yep. So we get to Miami. Still with your puppy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This trip probably only took us maybe three days at the most, maybe two.

31:39It was a really nice ride. So I'm there, and I just had never seen a place so big with so many different neighborhoods and a different culture and ethnicity every three blocks. And it was really a bit of a culture shock, but I found a place in Coconut Grove at a park, and that's where I made my residence. and it was across the street from a library. And so I would, eight hours a day, I would be in a library reading. So you just camped out? Literally. Literally. Did you buy a tent with your money? No, ma 'am. So you're just laying out on the grass with your puppy, a 13-year-old? No, no, no. And going across the street to the library?

32:31They had a whole little segment of population that this was kind of a, in the homeless world, This was kind of a gated community. This park with a marina behind it so you can't encroach. It's in Coconut Grove. So, yeah, I was able to purchase a brand new mattress the first day I was going to have to sleep. So I never slept on the ground or anything. And remember, my clothes are all dress clothes. I only have slacks and white shirts and ties. Is anybody like, I'm just trying to picture this. I can't picture any of this. And I'm still like, are you telling the truth or are you joking? Because I'm like still trying to picture you.

33:12You went and bought a mattress. How'd you get the mattress to the park? I mean, I just. They brought it. They delivered. Oh, you went to a store and you had them deliver your mattress to the park? There's a homeless hierarchy in the place that I was at. So there was a guy who was in charge of whether or not you got to be there or not. How did you convince him that you should be there? I didn't. I've lived, I have a presence. Yes, you do. And I'm one of the people that doesn't have ulterior motives. And most people I found do. But even at that age, I didn't have any. And I didn't think I was owed anything.

34:06I didn't think I was in a bad experience. I thought I was making choices and decisions, and I was just trying to see if I could get them to work out. So when I get there, I get the mattress, and then there's this process where I find out how everybody else ended up in this park. And that is what was life-changing is to find out these are doctors and lawyers and nurses and accountants. And each one of these people had an experience with drugs and it led them here. which is why when I emerge from this part of my story, drugs are not a temptation for me because I've not seen or heard of parties or anybody having fun.

35:04I've just met these 40 people whose lives were destroyed and they're out in the elements living with that and the fact that they're not going to be able to get those lives back, that this is a new reality for them. And so as a young, impressionable kid, being able to see the harshness of life like that was very instrumental. And so when did you emerge from that? So if I fast forward, so now I'm in Florida. I'm thinking that, okay, I've left Ohio, right? So I have a humongous family in Dayton, 100 first cousins, both sets of grandparents. So I'm like, you know, when I leave, this is going to be a big deal.

36:01It's going to be in the news, on the papers. There's going to be a worldwide, mine for your boy. Where, where is he? Milk carton. D's on the milk carton. These conniving parents of mine. let's say I left on Sunday they moved out of the city on Monday so no one knows I'm gone my grandparents don't know, nobody knows nobody thinks anything's wrong what? yeah it was it was crazy and so the way God works I'm walking down a highway maybe three years later two years later walking down the shoulder and a car pulls over and I'm like, boy, these girls will not stay off of you, boy. They're pulling over on the highway now.

36:58That's a lot. So you got to be pretty good looking for that one. Anyway, it's not any girls. It's my parents and my two brothers. No way. And they are in Florida and saw me and said... Just like on a vacation or something? Just passing through Florida. Oh, wow. Oh, God. Were you still living in the park? No, this is at least a year later. So, no, I've moved from those confines. But, yeah, so now I am at this place. I think it's called Winter Haven or something. It's where the carnival people go when they're not in carnival season. Yeah, no, I know nothing about this. You say this like, you know, Winter Haven, you know, the carnival people.

37:50I'm like, no, Kev. This is the Florida story. We swing through there in the summertime. I know. It's like, you know, it's like, am I supposed to know about this? This goes along with hearing an unbelievable story. I love it. You've not been believing any of it. I'm just like, we need popcorn. You didn't. So, yeah, I was, I'm now away from Miami. near a place called Ruskin, Florida. And my parents pull over on the highway and very apologetic and let's just put the family back together. And we end up moving to Haiti to do missionary work. No, you didn't. And so I spend the next two years in Haiti.

38:39What? Did you just get in the car? Where's the puppy? Where's the dog? Where's your dog? So here's the thing. Beautiful Rasha, right? Rasha. Oh, I love that name. I couldn't figure out once I actually got into the homeless encampment. I could not believe that I had brought this puppy here. Yeah, you were 13. That's 13-year-old thinking. I'm like, whoa, what's the plan for the baby, man? This is going to be hard enough to navigate on your own. But fortunately, because he was purebred and beautiful, he went for a great price. And that price sustained me for a nice little period of time. So I understood why God had let me bring him.

39:24But yeah, he went to a great home and he supplied me a great income. So then parents then paid. They pick you up. They pick what I want to know. Shoulder the road? Do you get in the car? Is it like, mom, dad. Right, I really didn't. And they're like, Micah, where have you been? Are they like, get it, boy? Is it like that? No. Are there tears? Are they like, we've been looking for you. I'm the tallest person in the house. So let that understand. I'm a big guy, you know, 5 '5". All right? Okay. So no, there's none of that dynamic. It's just, I'm sure as parents, they didn't think I would do that.

40:08And by the same token, they had crossed the line, you know, like they were behaving as if I was a bad child and I was a great kid who hadn't engaged in. Yeah, so there were mistakes made. I was already smoking cigarettes at this point. So I'm using this as the reason why I can't come with you guys. Like, I'm grown now. I got stuff I do. And I smoke. Bad things. Right. Yeah. They were like, no, you're fine. Uh-huh. I was like, we'll see. Uh-huh. Yeah. But really, I was just trying to see where they were at. Uh-huh. And I couldn't figure out how they had located me. So Haiti. Right. Did they have the plane ticket?

41:02Did you? So you hopped on the plane. And what was Haiti like? And how long were you all there? We were there for two years until the Americans had to leave because of the Papa Doc, Baby Doc transition. So it was magnificent. It was magnificent. It was one of the best experiences of my life. I was able to really be in an adventure. And my parents, when we got over there, Haiti is a different country because all of the writings at that time are all in French. So you have to read French. But then they don't speak French. They speak Creole. and Creole wasn't in any books. So you had to learn Creole and French.

42:04So for the first year and a half that we're there, I'm the only person in the family that reads French and speaks Creole. So I'm really doing... And you picked that up. You just were able to pick that up quickly. Yes, ma 'am. Wow. Yes, ma 'am. Fortunate. Yeah. But yeah, that experience changed everything for me. I was eating sugar cane and mangoes and filling my pockets full of salt because I found out that Haiti had the highest mortality rate for babies dying of dehydration. And so I knew the salt in the water trick. And so I would just go out and walk village to village. And if they had sick babies, I would give them this information about the salt water.

42:54And because I was from Ohio, I was able to bring a different irrigation style to the part of Haiti Santo that we were at. Just because it was such a big trek from where the village is to where the water source is. So yeah, I filled my days full of adventure. It was magnificent. How old were you during this period? period? I suppose I'm 14, 15. Wow. Wow.

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48:34It's now that we're back because you have to get out of Haiti. So now we're back in Florida and I realize I'm not going to be able to stay with these nice people. And so I'm off again. And so now when we pick back up, now I'm in the situation where I'm at a comedy club and I don't mean to be there. But how did that happen? Well, because some of the carnies are going to this club. You went back to your carny crew. We have a group now, and we go there, and they're asking for ID at the door, and I'm not old enough to even be in there. So this is going to be a very embarrassing situation for me, which I'm not interested in.

49:19And then God comes, as he always does, and somebody walks past, and they walk all the way past the line. They say, I'm a comedian. And the guy goes, yep, you're number four. And he walks in, and I'm like, oh, there you are. He always delivers me this pathway. And so, bam, I'm comedian number five. Right? So I don't know what that means. I don't know now that we're inside of there. I don't know what goes on. So there, they just explain, yeah, yeah, we're having a comedy competition. But don't you look 14? Get five minutes? No, ma 'am, I literally had this mustache since I was 12. No, you did not.

50:01A full mustache. That's, what were you getting? 5 '5". I already didn't get the growth spurt. So you got the hair. I would have been suicidal if the Lord did not provide other provisions. But he did, right? And so he gave me a great outlook and a full mustache. And a full mustache. And remember, remind yourself what I'm wearing. Well, I don't know. Yes, I have this on. Okay, so you're still dressing well. I got a glass, a white shirt, and this is all of my clothes. I don't have tennis shoes or shirts. Dress clothes. So you always dress like a grown man. I've been grown the whole time. So you get in the comedy club and they say, all right, you got five minutes.

50:44Right. Right. So I just get up there and I talk about being the black community for this entire city. Like there's nobody but me. I'm the only black guy. Nobody else. And I talk about what that experience is like. Yeah, and that was my five minutes. Did anybody laugh? Oh, they loved it. They thought it was hilarious. Because, again, what I didn't understand is I didn't understand why it connected. But it connected because it was all true. Like there was no black community there. It was just me. And everybody was looking at me like, what are you doing here? And, you know, you want to hear what that guy feels like about his surroundings.

51:39What did it feel like to make people laugh? Did that, was that new? I mean, because you were all, you had been used to public speaking. Right. At five, I'm in front of crowds of 10 ,000. Converting folks. Well, that wasn't my job. Yeah. Everybody that was in the arena was already converted. I'm reading Bible scripture and giving a talk about this particular. Right. So I just kept asking God to show me a glimpse of where I'm going to be. And I just kept hearing applause. I didn't know what they were applauding or what it was that I had done or said. So it was really frustrating for me before comedy came along.

52:32But as soon as I did it that first time, I was like, that's crazy. I think I got something from that. How could I have got something? From that? Was that the vision? So it's probably not another, it's probably, if I'm 16 then, then it's almost another eight years before I do stand-up. But I just had that in my head that this is a thing I could do. So then I go into door-to-door sales. I joined this organization that travels around the country selling books and magazines. You know, all I'm thinking is, this is a movie, and we have to do it at a higher ground. I mean, we're going to finish this story, but I'm just like, dude, I'm watching this movie.

53:31Yes, ma 'am. As you were telling it. Right. Anyway. And I've done my best to try to live accordingly, knowing that it's going to get looked back on. Yeah. So I did interrupt you because it was later on. So you realize that comedy was a thing, but then you were doing the door-to-door salesman work. Right. To still earn an in. Again, I'm in another experience that is shaping me for everything that follows. Because now I'm every door. I don't know who is going to answer this. Hispanic, Asian, white, black, monetary. I don't know anything. And I need to connect with this person. I need to ease their fears about a stranger at the door.

54:27I then need to be funny and engaging so that they smile. And then I need them to make this purchase that we both know they don't need. What were you selling? It started with books and magazines, and then it was cleaning product at the end. Wow. All right. So door-to-door salesman. Comedy next, or was there something in between? I'm doing the door-to-door sales when I knock on the door of five ladies of the night. And they are in a traumatic situation because their pimp was murdered. And they all witnessed it. And they didn't know what they were going to do. This is another like, what? I know everybody here is just like, what?

55:31I volunteered for the pimp position on the auspices. Well, you were already dressed for the— You were already dressed for the part. We're getting there. We're getting there. Okay. Okay. So they trained me how to do this job, right? And they taught me so much. Like, I wasn't there very long, but those ladies really, along with my sainted mother, those ladies really showed me what it was like to be a man. And they, because they, every night for hours, they would just talk about everything wrong with men. Like men of all nationalities, shapes, sizes, and colors. What's wrong with them? Why are they horrible creatures?

56:22And I was able to, at a still impressionable age, learn things and learn what bothers women. And realizing that I was in charge of so much of that.

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1:00:58yeah yeah you know we we we have questions that we get from our listeners but before we get to that what advice would you give a young cat williams coming along and maybe not even a cat williams because you're so unique. One of one. You're so unique. What would you give to a young up-and-coming artist who sees you as a role model? What advice would you give them on how to navigate this industry, this career, these processes?

1:01:41I would say if you believe in God, take as much pressure off of yourself as you can and apply that pressure to him. If you believe in God, then you know that in his books, he's got certain contractual obligations as well. It's certain things he has to do in certain situations. And it's okay if you put him in those situations, it's okay for you to say, I believe there's a God and I believe that if there is, he loves me and he would help me in this situation. It is impossible for you to do that and then watch something happen and not know where that comes from. And so any artist, I would just say, make sure that your relationship with God is one of the relationships that you're also working on, whether it's spouse, kids, everything else.

1:02:51Make sure to pay attention to your relationship with God because it really is the difference maker in how things turn out. Everybody doesn't serve God. Some people serve the devil. And they put him in positions. And it's terrible to say, but if that person has a better relationship with Satan than you do with God, that's your fault too. And so I think that's the only advice that I would give to an artist is to find your higher power and connect. Because until you do that, you're just a rudderless ship out here. And I know from my own personal experience that it doesn't matter how young you get that relationship.

1:03:49It's never too early. Speaking of relationships, what's your take on relationships. Have you ever been married? I love relationships. Have you ever been married? No, never married. Do you believe in marriage? I do. Yeah, my parents are still married. Yeah. I had a wonderful example. What about you? Yeah. What about me? You've never been married. Would you want to be? Have you found the right person? Is it not something that you're interested in settling down with a single person? Do you envision what your parents have for yourself ever? Is that even a goal?

1:04:34That's exhausting. No, not really. It's not that. Yeah, I think marriage is great. It's just that at the point in my life when that would have been the next thing that I was going towards, that's when I had this instant huge family. And then I was just so reticent to bring a person into this dynamic just because of how unfair that would be to this lady to have all of these kids that are not hers. And so I was trying to make myself a better version of me in advance for this wife, right? But in the meantime of that, I'm the one doing the cooking and laundry and the cleaning and the school wake ups.

1:05:30So it got to the point where I was the wife. And yeah, so where I am now, I finally have something I could offer a lady, I suppose. Monogamy has not been a part of my journey. I've tried to share this gift with whoever needed it. Why limit it? Why limit the world? This gift for whoever needed it. My man. Okay, Kat. And you love it. I love it. I do. Because why? That's the ultimate question. He is all of our hero. But you have a farm. Not to, there's so much, there's so many kind of little surprising layers. Yes, a lovely farm. A lovely farm. Is it like a full working farm? I mean, are you? We have a hundred ducks, a hundred geese, cows, pigs, goats, sheep.

1:06:43We have animals that you never see. It's just a wonderful hundred and some acre property in Americana that's just magical. And it's the thing that I am creating, which is Heaven on Earth, the name of the tour. But it's a whole philosophy of whatever you think the afterlife is going to be for you. You can start making that for yourself here somewhere. Do you tour every year? Or how do you think about that? Is it like training? Like you want to be on tour every couple of years? Or how do you think about that? I'm an athlete. I have the same season as my athlete counterparts. So in the NBA, they play 82 games.

1:07:39I'm not sure what it is in baseball, but I have 100 shows. I do 100 shows and then I tape a special. And that's been the routine that I've had since, I think, 2001 was my first one. Is this that work ethic that the lawnmower kid that got you that$1 ,200, the feeling like if I'm doing it, I've got to do my best. I've got to put it in. I've got to, you know. Well, I met Prince when I was 12. And he changed the trajectory of belief for me. Like I knew I didn't have to make any changes. This was a guy who was shorter than me. He was already rich and famous. And he had a purpose in life. Yeah, so a relative of his was my first girlfriend.

1:08:42She was a little older than I was. So if I was 12, she was 16. She had a family member that was coming into town. He was a musical artist. Because of my background, I wasn't really up on all of the musical artists as you would think that I would be. But you had wooed her with all the candy that you supplied. I don't know if you can tell this, but I make really good conversations. and, you know, money's not an option. And I only care what you like. So it makes me a good conversation. And you have a mustache. Right. I got a mustache and candy. What more are you? But, yeah, so she's like, yeah, he's just going to be here after his show at the UD Arena.

1:09:30And you should meet him. So I ride my bike over there. and I go in the house and I meet this guy, Prince, right? And, um,

1:09:50you ever meet somebody and go, this person's way smarter than me. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Right. So it was really my first time being in the vicinity of real brilliance, like when it's not for show. And so we're having this super deep conversation. And you're 12. Right. And we are connecting and we have decided at the end of this conversation, we're friends, right? So I get ready to walk out. Say bye to my girl. He says, you'll walk me down. So me and Prince are walking down these steps. But he's thinking, we're going to my car. When we get down to the bottom of the steps, my bicycle is right there.

1:10:43He's like, what's that? I was like, what do you mean? What's that? I'm thinking he likes it. I'm thinking, he's noticed I've got the tricked out mongoose. He knows I'm full of cash. You're looking at it. That's when he lets me know that he's 18, a grown man. I'm 12. Wow. But because of our sizes, we just assumed that each other was the same. I don't know what I was saying. Sizes and mustaches. So he gave me the confidence to know, because up until that point in my life, I thought that there were some things I was going to need to do in order to be good enough. Like, I got to get taller. I don't know.

1:11:30This might be the first mistake God has ever made. Like, I can't find evidence that anyone in the world missed a growth spurt. Like, you have to understand, ma 'am, third grade, I'm 5 '5". A giant among men. You were like, I got this. Big man on campus. Truly. Right. It's like, man, and that was it. So Prince helped me see immediately I didn't have to get taller. Yeah. He already had just signed his movie. I mean, his music deal. He had just produced his album by himself. He played 26 instruments on it. He did all of the jobs. Yeah. And it had worked. And so I knew that I didn't have to make any changes.

1:12:18I just had to be in the right position and be right myself when it transpires. So super helpful, that guy. Yeah, no, that would be. That's pretty powerful. Yeah. Well, let's help some folks. Let's help one of our listeners. Yes. Okay. All right. So we've got a listener from San Antonio, Texas. Okay. And her name's Amber. and I think her question is going to resonate with you. Hi, Michelle and Craig. I love the podcast. My name is Amber. I'm 32 years old and I'm from San Antonio, Texas. I opened my own salon at 22 and since then I've navigated both personal and professional challenges. After a difficult relationship and some time living independently, I believed I had found healing and stability.

1:13:06But due to unforeseen circumstances, I had to move back home, which has brought its own emotional complexities. Over the past two years, I've been seriously considering relocating to New York City or Boston, not only to pursue greater opportunities in my industry, but also in hopes of building a life that breaks generational cycles. I've been taking small intentional steps, investing in my business, putting myself out there, and making growth a priority. When I listened to your conversation with Kiki Palmer, I was struck by the part where you shared how you began seeking new paths and meeting people after realizing law wasn't your true calling.

1:13:45So my question is, when you were stepping into unfamiliar spaces and pursuing something new, did you feel overwhelmed or afraid? If so, how did you move through that fear without letting it stop you? All right. That's a big one. That's a doozy. That's a college level essay question. So any thoughts for Amber, just off the top of your head? I'm ready. Yeah. Okay.

1:14:18Amber, you're doing the work. And when you do the work, an answer comes out. So I don't think that you're confused in any way. I don't think you're wondering what it is you need to do next. I think you already know. I think you know that there isn't anything for you at the Riverwalk. San Antonio is a wonderful place, but it's not going to get you to where you see yourself being. I think very specifically you picked New York and Boston. If the fear is what you're dodging, the fear is necessary. The fear is there for a reason. The fear is to make sure that you don't take this for granted this time and end up in San Antonio for the third time.

1:15:09The fear is useful. On the other hand, you're only going to look back and go, I should have left earlier. Why didn't I go earlier? Not anything else. You're not ever going to regret this decision. You're going to regret the time it took you to get to this decision. all of the new relationships, your whole new life is there. And you deserve at 30, whatever you are, to be able to pull that parachute and do a new life. And if you mess that one up, go from New York to Boston now. Never stop being in search of your calling and your purpose. It is there. You are going to find it. You're right on schedule.

1:15:56You're not behind. There's nobody to blame. And there's only upside. So I think you're doing great, Amber. I think you know you're doing great. I think you just wanted us to reaffirm that you're making the right decisions. You're not crazy. And yeah, good luck. I love that. I love that, Kat. Wise Kat. All the layers of Kat. I like it. I like it. I would address the fear part of it because I talk about fear a lot. I agree. Fear is there for a reason and it's just interpreting the fear that you have. There is an element of fear and caution and everything and that's a good thing. I always say there's the good fear that keeps you safe, but you just don't want to overindulge the fear that keeps you stuck.

1:16:52Because fear can keep you stuck. Absolutely. There are a lot of people who don't experience, don't try, don't grow, because they're afraid of the unknown. And that can leave you in a small place. Because all the good stuff happens on the other side of fear. when you lean into it, get comfortable with it, know it's a part of the ride. If you can bear with that initial sort of the anxiety that comes with anything new and say, that's normal. It's normal that I'm starting something new. I don't know anyone. I feel a little anxious about it. Ride that wave of anxiety, but don't let it stop you because when you do, you miss the growth that comes from taking a risk and pushing beyond the thing that makes you uncomfortable.

1:17:50If you practice moving away from that fear, you just practice always feeling safe. But you'll look around and realize that you might feel safe, but you won't be happy. And you probably have missed out on a lot of really amazing stuff. And you're not safe. And you're not safe. Where you are. There is no bubble of safety because this is where you're from. You might as well have that experience. Because she said in her industry, right? So, yeah, she's not going to make it out there in Texas doing hair for celebrities. She's got to get to New York and Boston. Yeah, that's great. Both of you have hit on some really good points.

1:18:37Fear is healthy.

1:18:42and you can't let fear paralyze you so that you don't do anything. And the only thing that I would add, just to contextualize this for Amber, is that you're always going to be nervous about the next step. So take it so you learn what that feels like, and each time it will be less fearful. That's what I found. You know, the first hard pivot is the hardest. And then after that, you build that muscle and you're less afraid to try new things. Or at least it will remain consistent. So I'm the other part of the extreme. So every time that I have to do stand-up, I'm as nervous and a wreck as I was the very first time that I ever did it.

1:19:35We got like every single— Yeah, so even though we're almost at 10 ,000 shows in my 23rd 100-city tour, where that nervousness and the butterflies, it never has gone away. It's what allows me to realize something's counting on this. There's something on this. You must do well. You're passionate about it. Right. And you need that in your life as a barometer so that you don't take things for granted. and it's in no way should stop you. It should further. Why would you be getting nervous for something that wasn't going to matter? That's right. If you're nervous and fearful, there's a good reason. That's true.

1:20:25Still do it. Yeah. Yeah. We like that. Well, hopefully, Amber, we wish you good luck. Right. Keep going. I think Kat said it right. You know you're on the right track and we are all confirming that you are. So keep going. And we hope to see you in New York. Yeah, and let us know how it goes when you make that move. Right. Kat, this, you know. My man. You're a layered little dude. Right. The layers of Kat. Heavy on the layers. Kat's like, I know. Yeah, I know. Kat, thank you. This was a real privilege. Thank you. Thank you for putting us on your list. Yeah. Making the time. Your very short list.

1:21:12most of my things are like that. I'd say you set them up for that. That was the king of the shortlist. Point guard. Right, alley-oop. That's how this goes. Yeah, no, I really appreciate the opportunity that you both are making for yourselves and for others. Like, this is really a big deal. This has been a treat. You are truly a gift in more ways than one. So, thank you. Kat Williams thank you so much thanks man everybody give it up

1:22:11Thank you.