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Podcast Episode Notes: One Year of IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
Overview In this special anniversary episode of the *IMO* podcast, hosts Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson celebrate one year of tackling various life dilemmas with humor and honesty. They reflect on memorable moments, share personal anecdotes, and offer insights on relationships, self-worth, and personal growth.
Key Themes
- Reflecting on the First Year
- Memorable Guests and Topics:
- Taraji P. Henson on relationships
- Bruce Springsteen on parent-child dynamics
- Damon and Marlon Wayans on sibling relationships
- Craig's controversial opinion about ketchup
- Importance of Connection: The show has allowed Michelle and Craig to connect with listeners and each other on deeper levels.
- Personal Growth and Self-Care
- Practicing "No":
- Michelle discusses the challenges of saying "no" and setting boundaries, emphasizing struggles faced particularly as a woman and black woman.
- She highlights ongoing efforts in therapy to redefine self-worth and prioritize personal well-being.
- Navigating Public Life and Criticism
- Public Perception: Michelle shares experiences of being criticized for personal choices, including skipping the inauguration, while trying to prioritize her needs over societal expectations.
- The Role of Support: Recognizes the importance of having a supportive family and community while navigating personal and public challenges.
- The Challenge of Balancing Ambition and Family
- Parenting Insights:
- Discusses the importance of being present for children while managing high-profile careers, particularly during their formative years.
- Emphasizes that parenting is about "pennies in the bank" — small, meaningful moments rather than material gifts.
- Humor and Light-Hearted Conversations
- Sibling Dynamics: The episode features humorous exchanges between Michelle and Craig, highlighting their sibling bond through shared childhood stories, family anecdotes, and playful banter.
- "Black Jeopardy" Game: A light-hearted segment where they engage in a fun trivia game, showcasing their comedic chemistry and cultural references.
Key Quotes
- “Practicing no in a very different way intentionally.” - Michelle Obama on setting boundaries.
- “It’s the pennies in the bank that matter.” - Discussion on the importance of small moments in parenting rather than material gifts.
Conclusion The episode serves as a celebration of the past year, filled with laughter and insights on personal growth, the importance of self-care, and the joy of connecting with loved ones. Michelle and Craig express gratitude to their listeners and look forward to another year of engaging conversations.
Call to Action Listeners are encouraged to submit their questions for future episodes and to follow *IMO* for upcoming content.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOSibling Stories and Support
1:35 to 2:12
Craig shares a humorous and supportive story about his sisters.
“made up of some of our favorite moments from the first year of IMO.”
The Journey of Self-Worth and Therapy
2:13 to 8:16
Michelle discusses her ongoing journey of self-acceptance and the role of therapy.
“And there was, like, blood sleep in his shirt.”
The Controversial Ketchup Debate
12:16 to 14:02
A lighthearted discussion about the appropriate age to stop eating ketchup.
“Availability and coverage vary by state and insurance plan.”
Ketchup Controversy in the Family
14:02 to 15:25
Explore the humorous dynamics around ketchup preferences in the family.
“But every time he says it, the age goes down.”
Emancipation at 13
15:26 to 18:09
Hear a personal story about emancipating at a young age and the motivations behind it.
“because one thing I didn't ask about, you were emancipated at 13.”
The Journey to Miami
18:10 to 20:30
Discover the adventurous tale of leaving home and traveling to Miami with a puppy.
“I must have had$1 ,200, and you could not have told me that I was not a young millionaire.”
Life in Coconut Grove
20:31 to 22:40
Learn about life at 13 in a new city and the unique experiences in Coconut Grove.
“This trip probably only took us maybe three days at the most, maybe two.”
Role Models and Impact
22:41 to 24:20
Examine the importance of role models and their impact on personal development.
“And I'm one of the people that doesn't have ulterior motives.”
Emotional Connection
24:21 to 24:32
A heartfelt moment of gratitude highlighting personal connections.
Childhood Financial Awareness
26:19 to 28:00
Delve into early financial awareness and family dynamics related to money.
“And my mom was an amazing person, but she was not very parental.”
Show all 22 chapters
Reflections on Family Dynamics
28:00 to 29:20
Explore the complexities of family roles and childhood perceptions.
“It was called the trial of the century in the Depression.”
Lessons on Parenting and Presence
29:20 to 31:34
Learn how small moments with parents can have lasting impacts.
“over the course of the year was The Rainbow Comes and Goes, which is from a Wordsworth poem.”
The Value of Time Over Material Wealth
31:34 to 33:03
Understand why emotional presence is more valuable than material gifts.
“You know, and what I tell a lot of parents is that a lot of times we work for money and things because, especially if you're poor, you think, well, if I could give my kids more, we could live in a bigger house.”
Balancing Grandeur with Family Life
33:03 to 35:08
Discuss the challenges of maintaining family connections in high-stress roles.
“You get so caught up in your own inner world because that's where you sought refuge.”
The Journey of Self-Discovery
35:08 to 37:09
Reflect on the importance of recognizing evolving personal goals and values.
“And it took a mighty effort to leave the grandeur at the door and to just be there and talk about fifth grade.”
Chapters of Life and Career Paths
37:09 to 39:24
Learn about the significance of viewing life as a series of chapters.
“I didn't know anything about what a lawyer did.”
Cultural Reflections on Aging and Beauty
42:00 to 44:09
The hosts discuss beauty standards related to aging in different racial communities and how they affect self-image.
“I love my white people I do But y 'all just When we start doing things Just sit still Now there's Miss Diane Carroll, Lena Horne, and Eartha Kitt.”
Navigating Dating and Choices for Women
44:10 to 45:38
Michelle shares her thoughts on dating as a woman of choice and the cultural norms influencing relationships today.
“More open than it should be, but I do date and it's a fascinating adventure out there.”
Black Jeopardy Game Introduction
45:39 to 46:08
The hosts introduce a fun segment where they will play Black Jeopardy and share their excitement about the game.
“and the ability to negotiate in a relationship what it is you want the relationship to be between the two of you as opposed to what society says it should be.”
Playing Black Jeopardy
46:09 to 48:20
Michelle and Craig engage in a light-hearted game of Black Jeopardy, answering questions and sharing laughs.
“Shout out to Chadwick because he had the greatest Black Jeopardy ever.”
Black Jeopardy Continued
48:21 to 50:25
The game continues with more rounds of Black Jeopardy, highlighting cultural references and humor.
“My buzzer works Black Jeopardy Yes, I know Alright, this is Hood Classics Hood Classics This item doubles as a weapon A shoe And an expression of discipline What is Mama's Fluffy pink house shoe.”
Final Rounds and Reflections on Black Culture
50:26 to 54:40
As the game wraps up, the hosts reflect on the cultural significance of their humor and the memories it evokes.
“When a black auntie says, bless her heart, what does she mean?”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:05Craig Robinson:This episode is brought to you by SHIFT. Hey, everyone. Our podcast, IMO, has officially reached its first anniversary. And this past year has been filled with so much fun and so many special moments, from Heart to Hearts with Taraji P Henson, to the complexities of parent-child relationships with Bruce Springsteen, hilarious sibling stories with Damon and Marlon Wayans, and even a controversial opinion on ketchup from my husband. The first year of IMO has brought us some truly unforgettable moments. And while these conversations have given us the opportunity to connect with some of our favorite people and share our perspectives with each of you, what I love most about this show is I get to do it with my big brother, Craig.
0:59Taraji P Henson:Oh, you're sweet, Mish. I am. This year has been life-changing, and there's no one I would want to have these conversations with than you. To our IMO listeners, thank you for joining us on this journey. I can't wait for what year two of IMO will bring.
1:16Craig Robinson:And make sure you follow IMO wherever you get your podcasts so you can get new episodes as soon as they drop every Wednesday. We can't wait for you to tune in.
1:27Taraji P Henson:And don't forget to subscribe to our newsletter for the latest updates at imopod.com. We hope you enjoy this special bonus episode made up of some of our favorite moments from the first year of IMO.
1:41Wayans:You know what's funny is, I didn't go get my brothers when I got in. I would get my sisters. Yeah. My sisters was vicious. Devon. Devon one time this kid Baldy Joe was beating me up and he was like a 16 year old kid and my sister had corn rolls she was about 250 pounds she said come here and she grabbed him by his arms like this and she said Marlon punch him in the face I was like Devon he gonna beat me and she said if you don't punch him I'm gonna punch you I was like bow and you know my sisters always always had my back in that room I didn't get my brother cause I saw Keenan
2:14Michelle Obama:get beat up like bad like so Keenan used to walk around in kung fu slippers like he he was just a target he was just a target Jim Kelly yeah and he loved
2:28Wayans:he had nunchucks he would have like and he was really good he would kick the ceiling and then one day he got into a fight with this dude Bobby Boyd in the in the building in the lobby of the building and Keenan you know everybody's like
2:44Michelle Obama:oh snap because he's going to do the karate oh yeah yeah
2:48Wayans:and then Keenan went to take off his shirt Oh, man. And the dude snatched him. No. With his shadow on his head. That was one. And just pummeled him. And, like, Keenan was on the floor. Oh, no. And there was, like, blood sleep in his shirt. And I'm like, get up, Keenan. Use your new dress. Get up. You can do it. You can do it.
3:09Craig Robinson:Untangle your arms from your shirt. Oh, no.
3:14Wayans:This guy you looked up. Don't make you. If you do, make sure you take your shirt off.
3:19Craig Robinson:Really? It's like, oh, man, that Bruce Lee didn't want him about that. Don't lock yourself up in your shirt. You know? Oh, man.
3:28Taraji P Henson:Bruce Lee didn't wear pullovers.
3:30Craig Robinson:Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, when I hear you talk about the practice, what I'll call the practice of no, because you're absolutely right. And I know that everyone struggles with disappointing people, with trying to set boundaries. but I particularly relate to what you were saying about it takes you a while before you, maybe as a woman, as a black woman, where we feel comfortable saying no. I was sitting here thinking, well, why is that? And why was that for me? Because this is something that I am working on right now. I, like you, I have believed in therapy my whole life, I've done couples therapy with my husband.
4:19Craig Robinson:Both my girls, they believe in therapy. This generation, thankfully, I think our children are way more open to it. They understand the importance of self-help and all of that. I also sort of realized that even Michelle Obama, I am still trying to tell myself that I am doing enough, right? Because there's always that feeling. I think we practice that striving because in order to be successful, I always felt like I had to be smarter, faster, work harder, because somebody was going to doubt me. Somebody was already telling me why I couldn't do something before they knew me or even tried. Right. So you get in there, and I don't think this is unique to just women of color.
5:12Craig Robinson:I don't think it's just unique to men. But when you get in that habit of that constant striving and constant proving that it's enough, it makes us overachievers, but you don't ever turn that off. And at 60, I was still, I had to convince myself that I had done enough. After all that I had done in the world, I still felt a guilt, right? Struggling with like deep guilt that maybe, maybe I needed to do a little bit more. So I'm at this stage in life where I have to define my life on my terms for the first time. So what are those terms? And going to therapy, just to work all that out, like what happened that eight years that we were in the White House?
6:04Craig Robinson:What did that do to me? Yes. Internally, my soul, we made it through. We got out alive. I hope we made the country proud. My girls, thank God, are whole. But what happened to me? Right. Right? Right. And going through therapy, you know, is getting me to look at the fact that maybe, maybe finally I'm good enough. Right? and unlearning some of those messages that I've been saying to myself and then trying to actively practice something different to rewire those neurons in my head that make me keep pushing and keep striving. And so practicing no in a very different way intentionally. But then this is what makes it hard because my decision to skip the inauguration, you know, what people don't realize or my decision to make choices at the beginning of this year that suited me were met with such ridicule and criticism.
7:08Craig Robinson:Like people couldn't believe that I was saying no for any other reason that they had to assume that my marriage was falling apart. You know, it's like, while I'm here really trying to own my life and intentionally practice making the choice that was right for me. And it took everything in my power to not do the thing that was right or that was perceived as right, but do the thing that was right for me. That was a hard thing for me to do. I had to basically trick myself out of it. And it started with not having anything to wear. I mean, I had affirmatively, because I'm always prepared for any funeral, anything.
7:51Craig Robinson:I walk around with the right dress. I travel with clothes just in case something pops off. So I was like, if I'm not going to do this thing, I got to tell my team, I don't even want to have a dress ready, right? Because it's so easy to just say, let me do the right thing. But then you become a shock absorber. Yeah.
8:14Michelle Obama:And that's what women are, shock absorbers. And that's exhausting and it's not healthy. Yeah. It is not healthy. You've had to be shock absorbers for your husband, for your children, for your mom, for your family, your loved ones, because of where you were sitting in the public eye. That's not fair to you. When do you ever get to live for you? I applaud you. I'm happy that you are taking care of yourself in the way that you need to.
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12:27Wayans:in my opinion and this is controversial in my family you should not eat ketchup after the age of eight
12:40Taraji P Henson:is that all condiments or just ketchup I think you've gone down in age
12:45Craig Robinson:on that one I think every time you say it you make it younger and younger and pretty soon it'll be like a four-year-old. And I'm hoping we don't have a ketchup sponsor on this show.
12:55Taraji P Henson:Well, we won't now.
12:59Craig Robinson:I have nothing against - And we here at IMO have nothing against ketchup.
13:03Wayans:I have nothing against kids having ketchup, ketchup on their burgers, ketchup for their fries, even, which is hard for me to watch, ketchup on hot dogs. But at a certain point, you know, you got to kind of grow it.
13:22Craig Robinson:Why are you cutting the people off of ketchup? So young, dude. That's what we take issue with in our household.
13:30Wayans:I might be a little too draconian in my attitude.
13:33Craig Robinson:I think that's the word, draconian.
13:36Wayans:I think, I'm trying to describe a general point of view, which is ketchup has its place. But you should grow out of it.
13:46Taraji P Henson:It sounds like you're saying ketchup is childish.
13:48Wayans:No, what I'm saying is that when I see a grown person pouring a lot of ketchup on something.
13:56Taraji P Henson:Is it the amount of ketchup? Is it just ketchup at all? Is it a lot of ketchup or even if you have a dollop of ketchup?
14:02Wayans:I told you this was controversial in my family. I see. But I figured I'm coming in here hot.
14:08Craig Robinson:And now you know that in addition to clicking my teeth along this straw to get on your nerves, I just have a dollop of ketchup
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14:16Taraji P Henson:at every meal
14:18Craig Robinson:just to be like
14:19Taraji P Henson:that explains a lot because there's always ketchup at your house so it's not like we're battling against the man it's not forbidden
14:28Craig Robinson:we are trying to live our lives with ketchup freedom for ketchup he's the only one everybody else is fine with ketchup
14:36Wayans:he's the only one in fact the girls have all these complicated oh you mix it with this oh yeah it hasn't rubbed off
14:43Craig Robinson:he's had no impact We do that in our house, too. There's no one's following his lead.
14:48Taraji P Henson:Okay, okay. That's a tough one, though. It's never worked.
14:51Craig Robinson:It's harsh, I think. It is.
14:53Taraji P Henson:It's hard. It might have been overly harsh. I mean, I know.
14:57Craig Robinson:But every time he says it, the age goes down.
15:00Taraji P Henson:Your mother-in-law likes ketchup.
15:02Craig Robinson:Everybody likes ketchup. I used to say it was like 14. It's like the cutoff, it's like, now we're at eight. And now you got it down to eight. We got it down to eight. I'm just thinking that the poor children, like, that's all. They don't even want the ketchup. is the actual, it's the medium to get, it's the delivery system. Now you're just, you know, just taking it. But we appreciate your opinion. There you go. I want to get back to, because one thing I didn't ask about, you were emancipated at 13. Yeah, I've read that. Yeah. Have you read that about yourself? You've read that about yourself. Tell us more about, it's not often that, you know.
15:40Craig Robinson:And at 13. And what led to that? Did you just walk out the door? Did you just say, hey, okay, thank you, everyone. I'm going to take all my books, and I'm on my own.
15:54Michelle Obama:I don't know how to put this without sounding facetious, but if you came from a Bible-reading, believing family, then you already knew I was going to do what Jesus did.
16:08Craig Robinson:Okay. Bounce.
16:10Michelle Obama:Okay. Now go find a temple to turn over tables. This is the life of a Christian revolutionary.
16:19Taraji P Henson:I got to tell you way ahead of me, because even if I wanted to leave at 13, I wouldn't have had the nerve to do it, nor the wherewithal that I could do it.
16:28Michelle Obama:It was a terrible idea. I don't talk about it because I don't want any young person to hear that and think that it's possible that they can pull it off.
16:42Craig Robinson:But I think hearing that it's terrible is useful.
16:44Michelle Obama:But it wasn't. It wasn't terrible? No. No, of course not. I'm the adventurer in this story. Are you kidding me? Okay. Hold me now, sir. I'm grown. I got a mustache and a cigarette. I'm twirling. Welcome. That was my house.
17:05Craig Robinson:I'm picturing a little cat. It was terrible. Did you have the stick and your goods and a little kerchief? No. Did you walk out with a suitcase?
17:13Michelle Obama:No, I had a full suitcase and a Rottweiler puppy.
17:16Craig Robinson:You left with a dog?
17:17Michelle Obama:Destined for failure.
17:20Craig Robinson:It's like, and I'm dependent. I'm taking a responsibility. Exactly. It's like, man, and I'll take this puppy. So where'd you go? Where was the first place you and your puppy, Rottweiler puppy, went when you left your house?
17:32Michelle Obama:Miami, Florida.
17:33Craig Robinson:You went to a whole other state.
17:35Michelle Obama:That was always the thing. How'd you get to Miami? I went to a truck stop.
17:40Craig Robinson:Oh, the best place to go. Wow.
17:44Michelle Obama:Because everybody's going out of here. And so then I checked license plates because I was looking for a warm destination and I was hoping for L.A. or California. But Miami presented itself, and the guy let me and the Rottweiler puppy get in the back part of the empty truck, and he would stop every once in a while. Did you have any money?
18:10Craig Robinson:I was loaded. How'd you feed the Rottweiler?
18:12Michelle Obama:I was loaded. I must have had$1 ,200, and you could not have told me that I was not a young millionaire. Did you really have$1 ,200? How'd you get all this money? So the only thing I was allowed to do, I was allowed to cut grass in the summer and I was allowed to shovel snow in the winter. So I probably had 60 clients on each end. You were an entrepreneur. I own the lawnmower and the shovels. Wow. And so me having money just gave me the ability to not have to wear the clothes that my parents wanted me to wear to school. I could wear that out, go change. get into something fly and presentable for school.
18:58And then I was living multiple lives,
19:01Michelle Obama:but the money made it possible for me to have that freedom. And I learned that pretty early on.
19:08Craig Robinson:What was your alter ego with your money when you went to school? Were you one way at home because you were dressing different and then you took your lawnmower money and went to school in your whatever?
19:22Michelle Obama:Who were you? I had a relationship with the candy lady, so I was in sales already, and I was buying at a wonderful price, upselling, and supplying schoolmates with candy and treats. So you were that kid.
19:38Craig Robinson:You were the kid that had the nihilators.
19:41Michelle Obama:Plus I had money, so I didn't have to—I was able to treat the women that I liked really nice. And I learned that supplying happiness to people.
20:01Craig Robinson:So you were Money Mike early.
20:04Michelle Obama:Yes. Money Micah.
20:07Craig Robinson:Is that where your character came from? Money Micah? You were practicing that at 13.
20:13Michelle Obama:It seems like it's all planned out. But, you know, God showed me early on that there was this pathway And I wasn't really certain of how to make sure that I was on it or behaving correctly. So you get to Miami. Yep. Still with your puppy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This trip probably only took us maybe three days at the most, maybe two. It was a really nice ride. But there, so I'm there. and I just had never seen a place so big with so many different neighborhoods and a different culture and ethnicity every three blocks and it was really a bit of a culture shock but I found a place in Coconut Grove at a park and that's where I made my residence and it was across the street from a library And so I would, eight hours a day, I would be in a library reading.
21:17Craig Robinson:So you just camped out?
21:20Michelle Obama:Literally.
21:21Craig Robinson:Literally. Did you buy a tent with your money?
21:24Michelle Obama:No, ma 'am.
21:25Craig Robinson:So you're just laying out on the grass with your puppy, a 13-year-old?
21:28Michelle Obama:No, no, no. And going across the street to the library? They had a whole little segment of population that this was kind of a, in the homeless world, this was kind of a gated community. Yeah, yeah. this park with a marina behind it so you can't encroach, and it's in Coconut Grove. So, yeah, I was able to purchase a brand-new mattress the first day I was going to have to sleep, so I never slept on the ground or anything. And remember, my clothes are all dress clothes. I only have slacks and white shirts and ties.
22:01Craig Robinson:Is anybody like, I'm just trying to picture this.
22:04Michelle Obama:I can't picture any of this.
22:06Craig Robinson:And I'm still like, are you telling the truth or are you joking? because I'm like still trying to picture you. You went and bought a mattress. How'd you get the mattress to the park? I mean, I just - They brought it. They delivered. Oh, you went to a store and you had them deliver your mattress to the park?
22:24Michelle Obama:There's a homeless hierarchy in the place that I was at. So there was a guy who was in charge of whether or not you got to be there or not. How did you convince him that you should be there? I didn't. I've lived, I have a presence.
22:43Craig Robinson:Yes, you do.
22:44Michelle Obama:And I'm one of the people that doesn't have ulterior motives. And most people I found do. But even at that age, I didn't have any. And as far as we're concerned, you're in our family.
23:06Craig Robinson:Oh, I feel that way. Carol, you really, I mean, just sitting here and talking about that path. I mean, I don't think that, well, you must hear this all the time. But, you know, we had a happy, beautiful family, right? Right. But your talent, your gifts, the structure of your show, how you showed up in it, like Craig said, you know, your humanity before the show, your honesty throughout your career. I mean, that kind of stuff is has been as impactful to my development as my parents. Right. Because that's the role modeling. You know, you see a smart woman because what is clear through this is that you've always been that woman.
24:03Craig Robinson:Smart, courageous, bold. And you just brought that to your show. And that came into our living rooms as part of an important experience of seeing what you could be. you're gonna make me cry oh thank you I'm so touched and moved you mean the world to us thank you and thank you you know what I wanna do I wanna sing it's so nice just to have
24:41Taraji P Henson:this time together I love it
24:46Craig Robinson:Just to have a laugh or sing a song. Seems we just get started. And before you know it, comes the time we have to stay so long.
25:03Taraji P Henson:Oh, all these youngsters have no idea what we're doing.
25:10Craig Robinson:Oh, thank you. Thank you.
25:12Taraji P Henson:I've got chills.
25:21Taraji P Henson:We played a summer tournament about two hours away. And as I think back, I wish we had considered staying in an Airbnb home instead of staying at a hotel. We would have had an opportunity to eat together, watch film together, as well as control the curfew of a bunch of 13-year-old boys. I also think that it would have given our parents a break from their children. As you can imagine, coming together as a team outside of the game is as important as what you do on the court. And having the ability to hang out together at an Airbnb would have given us that extra opportunity to bond. And if you're thinking about the big tournaments that come into your town, now is a great time to think about hosting fellow fans and players during the season.
26:18Wayans:I mean, as a kid, I was very concerned about stability. And my mom was an amazing person, but she was not very parental. And my dad had died. And I very much wanted to know what was happening. And I used to read my mom's journal. I used to monitor her phone calls when I was a kid. Like, I wanted to know what was coming down the pike. and I started working when I was 12 to earn money because I was very concerned about like my mom's on shaky financial footing and even though the world probably thought she was super rich, but she spent a lot of money and had no sense of money and I knew this from a little kid and I remember I was actually walking up the stairs one day and my mom was on the phone and she said, she was talking to somebody on the phone and she said, well, I'll always be able to make money and I stopped and I was like, this ship is going down.
27:12Wayans:If she thinks she's always going to be able to do this, like.
27:14Craig Robinson:And how old were you when you heard that?
27:16Wayans:I was like 12. So you knew. Yeah, I knew. I knew early on.
27:20Craig Robinson:Were you the oldest?
27:21Wayans:No, I was the youngest. My brother was two years older. But he wasn't as like focused on this as much as I was. I was really determined. And yeah, I started. I mean, it was ridiculous. I started working as a child model at 12 to like. To help the family. Well, I mean, not that they, you know, I wasn't, I was saving the money. because I was like, I'm going to need to, I'm building a life raft here. But she was remarkable. And, you know, I was always very sympathetic to my mom because she really didn't have parents of her own. She was kind of, her dad died when she was an infant. She was raised in hotels in Europe by her mom who just wanted to party.
27:57Wayans:She was the subject of a vicious custody battle when she was 10 years old. It was called the trial of the century in the Depression. And, you know, I kind of saw sadness behind my mom's eyes her whole life. And I didn't understand what the sadness was from, but I was sympathetic to her. And so even if she wasn't the most kind of mom, mom, she was, I viewed her as a, I mean, from the time I was little, I viewed her as like a space alien whose rocket ship had like, you know, failed and landed here on earth by accident. And it was my job to like help her like rent an apartment and learn how to breathe oxygen.
28:34Craig Robinson:Yeah.
28:36Taraji P Henson:That's a level of worry that most young people. Yeah, but look who's talking.
28:44Craig Robinson:I listen to you and I think about him. And he's the oldest. I think you called it catastrophic. Yeah, it was a catastrophist. He was a catastrophist at that age in the same way that you were. You know, really thinking, okay, all the worst possible scenarios. and I think he felt like the one that had to know it all. Right. He was going to be you. That's interesting. Like if things fell apart, if our dad ever could never function, then Craig was the one who was going to make sure.
29:15Wayans:That's interesting because the title of this book my mom and I wrote together, which ended up being basically our correspondence over the course of the year was The Rainbow Comes and Goes, which is from a Wordsworth poem. And it was a poem my mom liked. And for her, it meant, well, the rainbow comes and goes. It's always going to come back. And so like bright days are just ahead. They're just around the corner. The phone can ring and your whole life can change. And for me, the title was like, yeah, the rainbow comes and it goes.
29:40Craig Robinson:And yeah, the phone can ring
29:42Wayans:and your whole frigging life can change. Like I saw it from a negative lens. And she saw it. She like could not, it was such an interesting kind of different way of saying stuff.
29:52Taraji P Henson:You're just trying to be realistic.
29:53Wayans:Just cover all the bases in case something happens. It's a fine line between realistic and pessimistic, I think. That's right.
29:58Craig Robinson:I think you two fell on the pessimistic side.
30:01Wayans:Somewhere in the istic family. I realized that parenting is pennies in the bank. It's that time when you were working and you didn't want to stop, but you did. That made a huge difference to me. Because if I'd have failed, I always felt if I'd have failed with my kids, I would have failed tremendously in life.
30:25Craig Robinson:I like what you said that parenting is pennies in the bank. And that just resonates because I think of my upbringing and I've talked about it a lot. We were a poor working class family. The father was a city worker. He did not make a lot of money. He did not have a title. He was not famous. he wouldn't be on a regular schedule. We could go for a week and not see him because he was working a shift. But when he was present, he was present in very small but meaningful ways. That's wonderful. Something as simple, you know, I recall like the special treat before dinner, if he was there or after dinner, was that we get him to play a game.
31:18Craig Robinson:Yeah. Any kind of game, you know, A tickle game, a card game. And it just felt like such a treat that this big, important man who had all this responsibility got on the floor and played with us.
31:34Wayans:Yeah. He delighted in our presence. Yeah, that's wonderful. You know, and what I tell a lot of parents is that a lot of times we work for money and things because, especially if you're poor, you think, well, if I could give my kids more, we
31:54Craig Robinson:could live in a bigger house. If I could put them in the best schools, if I could give them the nicest sneakers, right? Right. That that is going to replace it. But it's the pennies in the bank that matter. And everybody's got some pennies. Kids don't need the stuff. They just want the pennies.
32:20Wayans:Very important.
32:22Craig Robinson:And I think a lot of men lose sight of the fact that a lot of what they're working towards is just their goals and ambition. you know and I think men should have that I think everyone men women people have to have their own lives and their own ambitions but have it and say that's for you but your kids they just want pennies
32:46Wayans:they want the pennies they really do
32:48Craig Robinson:they do you're never too poor to be a father no to give you know time and attention
32:58Wayans:you know artists the worst The worst. So self-involved. Yeah. Oh, my God. You get so caught up in your own inner world because that's where you sought refuge. When things weren't working out when you were younger, you sought refuge in this inner world.
33:18Craig Robinson:I think the point you're making is that it's easy to get lost in the grandeur of your life. Exactly. Of yourself. Of yourself. I had to deal with a lot of the grandeur of myself. Yeah.
33:36Craig Robinson:You know, because that's the thing everybody's taught to pursue, you know? It's like that's the brass ring. And that's why parenting is a group sport. Big time. And I think Barack is just like you, is a tremendous father, doing it in a lot of grandeur, right? Yeah, you're the commander in chief of the United States of America. And so finding that balance of, you know, when you've got the nuclear code in your grasp and world leaders calling you and big, important, heavy decisions coming at you every day and valets and aides and on and on and security. And, oh, it's just all grandeur. Trying to wipe all that stuff away and leave it at the door before he would enter the residence of the White House to sit at a dinner table with his two daughters and only talk about them.
34:46Michelle Obama:Right.
34:47Craig Robinson:It was important for both of us, for me and Barack, to carve out that time in those eight years when our girls were in their formative years, you know? Yeah. They'd lived longer, Malia and Sasha, in the White House than they've lived in any house.
35:04Wayans:That's amazing.
35:05Craig Robinson:They were formed in that house and around that table in that residence. And it took a mighty effort to leave the grandeur at the door and to just be there and talk about fifth grade.
35:21Wayans:Yeah.
35:22Craig Robinson:And, you know.
35:23Wayans:Even in my job, you know, it's like, hey, you're on the road, you're king.
35:27Craig Robinson:So I remember when I did A Keel and the Bee, everybody kept saying, this movie is going to be a hit. This movie is going to bust it out. This is going to, you're going to be a star. And, like, it's such an elusive thing because what's a star? You know what I mean? Yeah, right. And how old were you then? I was 11. 11. And they were like, this is huge. And I'm like, wow, this is huge. Really? Whatever that is. I guess I'll be Michael Jackson now. You know, it was like cute. And then the movie came in and did so terrible in the box office. Although that was one of my favorite movies. And then the funny thing about it is like over time, it grew to be my most popular film.
36:01Craig Robinson:And the thing that people most know me for. But I use that as an example in this is because our life is made up of many moments. It's not made, like our legacy is not just that one thing we did. Okay, Kiki. You know, it's the many things that we did. And so like, Akilah and the Bee was always there for people to come to and remember my work. And it grew over time amongst all the things I did. But I remember feeling in that moment being like, everybody lied to me. You know what I mean? I felt like when my mom told me I was going to be a big girl at five, I still didn't get big. I was like, now wait a minute, I'm still shorter than y 'all.
36:33Craig Robinson:It sounds like big girl just means I can't be a baby. Exactly. This don't seem right. And that's how I felt with the Akilah thing. But what I learned and what I never did to myself after that was to expect an outcome, to be proud of the work, to be happy that I got the job or the thing that I wanted to get or did the— but not to make it mean that it is only that if I receive a certain achievement. No, it's that to me, and that has to be enough. So that's the one thing I thought about when that happened. So that makes me think—I mean, I share this all the time. I mean, I went to Princeton, Harvard Law, because I thought I was going to be a lawyer and a corporate lawyer.
37:14Craig Robinson:I didn't know anything about what a lawyer did. I didn't come. Our family was, we were not professional people. I picked law because it was the next thing to do. I applied. I got into Harvard. You get into Harvard, you go, right? That was the extent of my thinking, right? And then I got out. I practiced in a firm for two years and I was like, I don't like this at all. I'm not, you know, because corporate law is about, it's papers and briefs, it's research. It's not very people oriented, especially in your early years. It just, I had no idea what corporate law was. And I had wonderful mentors. People supported me.
37:59Craig Robinson:I was able to achieve and do good things in that year. But I didn't know what that felt like. I did not want to be a lawyer. Yeah. And as it turns out, after all that education and all those loans, but to your point, it was all them loans that we just paid off before Barack went into the White House. Okay. So, I mean, we were carrying debt, you know, for a very long time for me not to be a lawyer. But to your point, I had no idea what that was going to mean and what that was going to feel like. It was just a goal that I set for myself. I didn't even know what it was based on. I didn't know my why.
38:47Craig Robinson:I knew my what, but I didn't know my why. And I could have felt like a failure for it, right? But I didn't. Fortunately, I had parents. I was like, let me try on some other things. To your point, there are chapters in life. That was a chapter. I needed to do that and know that and understand that. And I went on to have many, many chapters. And I'm still glad that I got my law degree. The way I think, how I see the world is very much influenced by that education. But it wasn't who I was supposed to be. And there's no way I would have known that had I not tried it and then moved on from it and tried on some other thing.
39:30Craig Robinson:So for Noelle, life is about the chapters. It's never any one thing. And to place too much stock or put too much emotion on one or two achievements, it always sets you up for disappointment because life is bigger than that.
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41:31Craig Robinson:Before we go, I want to hear my song Which one?
41:34Michelle Obama:Okay, here it is, it's so good It's so good, this is the best one Here it is And it goes a little bit like this Now don't clap Because I'll go off rhythm Yes please I've written some White people Because you go Baby when the white people Chime in on the rhythm I want you to know something now I love y 'all
41:56Taraji P Henson:Cut this part out We want to keep our white audience
41:59Michelle Obama:Listen I love my white people I do But y 'all just When we start doing things Just sit still
42:14Michelle Obama:Now there's Miss Diane Carroll, Lena Horne, and Eartha Kitt. They stayed on top for ages, but their looks never quit. Now when white women get older, their skin gets creased in line. But because of my race, look at my face. saw there's a baby's behind because black don't cry. Dun-dun-dun, dun-dun-dun. I tell you, black, don't cry. Dun-dun, dun-dun-dun. Now Cardi B and Beyonce certainly know how to make a buck, but being sued for fights or on Grammy nights, they don't need no nip and tuck. Dun-dun-dun-dun-dun. Ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch. Now Harriet's got her railroad Sojourner's got her truth So Kamala Harris and Jasmine Crockett Could be a choice at the voting booth Oprah Winfrey's got her billions And Michelle's got Obama And I still look good out in Hollywood Playing everybody's mama I tell you why I don't cry So white girls, get your facelifts to your foreheads on your back.
43:33Michelle Obama:Cause I'll be having fun out in the sun. Cause baby, black, don't, ah. Woo! And then, shaka-kan.
43:50Michelle Obama:That's the orchestra going. Shaka-kan. Girl, gotta love it. The thing is, I stay open. Mm-hmm. I'm probably more open. Way open. Yes.
44:01Craig Robinson:Oh my God, that sounded so wrong. I didn't mean that. Mom. My heart. Your family. My heart stays open. Your heart literally stays open. More open than it should. Yes. Yes. Okay. All right.
44:12Michelle Obama:More open than it should be, but I do date and it's a fascinating adventure out there. You know, mostly though, I think there's really good men out there. I think to a certain extent, I'm a very unique sort of unicorn of a woman. And so it's going to take a unique person. And in the meantime, I have really learned how to live my life and enjoy it and not sit around waiting. I come, you know, I was saying to someone recently that I'm one of the first generations of choice and it's not anymore, which really there was a window and that has shifted. And I do think that that's going to change dating for women so much.
44:54Craig Robinson:When you mean you've been the sort of the product of choice. Yeah, like the assumption of Roe v.
45:00Michelle Obama:Wade and the ability for a woman to find her own delight and pleasure and choice around how she navigates dating or how one would navigate dating. And we're in a different world now. And I'm curious what that will look like. It frightens me for younger girls because of many reasons, obviously. But even with the systemic protection of Roe v. Wade, I still was coming up against the cultural norms of being a choiceful woman and owning my own body and my own choices and what it is that I'm looking for in a relationship and the ability to negotiate in a relationship what it is you want the relationship to be between the two of you as opposed to what society says it should be.
45:48Craig Robinson:We could not have Kenan Thompson on this podcast without doing one of my favorite skits, which is Black Jeopardy. Let's go.
45:59Wayans:Black Jeopardy.
46:00Craig Robinson:Craig and I have always thought we'd be pretty good at it. It looks a little hard. I'm a little intimidated. But I thought that if you would indulge us, you would give us an opportunity to play a couple of rounds.
46:10Wayans:I love Black Jeopardy. It was one of my favorites. Shout out to Chadwick because he had the greatest Black Jeopardy ever. Oh, yes. He sure did. Incredible. Cool. I think we coined the phrase Karen off of that sketch. That's Karen.
46:21Craig Robinson:What is a Karen?
46:24Wayans:She might put something like raisins or something in the potato salad.
46:31Wayans:Okay. As you know, Black Jeopardy has a bunch of different categories. You know, different ones that like, you know, our categories today might be you better say it right. Fixing your plate. Don't touch that. Oh, you fancy. Oh. That ain't it. Black Twitter University. Hood Classics. Black Dads be like, et cetera, et cetera. Okay. Okay.
46:56Craig Robinson:All right. This is the sibling competition.
47:00Wayans:Let's go. Good luck. Good luck to both of you contestants. Good luck. We should hear about today's prizes. We'll do that later. I feel like Cadillac might be involved. All right. Our first category, that ain't it.
47:16Craig Robinson:That ain't it.
47:17Wayans:The question is, a friend who says they don't do seasoning is also what?
47:30Taraji P Henson:Not of colorful pigmentation. What is not of colorful pigmentation? That's close. Do you have an answer?
47:42Craig Robinson:Not invited back to my house.
47:45Wayans:Whoa. That is uninvited. uninvited was the answer. All right, the next category, Black Twitter University. Okay. What does she ate and left no crumbs mean?
47:59Craig Robinson:It means she told you off and left you with your mouth hanging on the floor.
48:05Wayans:Yes. We need a ding for the correct answer. Ding, ding, ding, ding. That's a good one, yes. We would have accepted she slayed, she delivered, or that was flawless. Okay. You're in that wheelhouse, yes.
48:17Craig Robinson:What's the score? 2-0 Come on, Craig
48:21Wayans:What's up, man? My buzzer works Black Jeopardy Yes, I know Alright, this is Hood Classics Hood Classics This item doubles as a weapon A shoe And an expression of discipline
48:42Taraji P Henson:What is Mama's Fluffy pink house shoe.
48:47Craig Robinson:Ooh, yes. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. That's right. That was too specific. Did you have the answer?
48:53Taraji P Henson:No, I was embellishing as I...
48:55Wayans:I was just going to say house slipper, my sandals. I was going to say house slipper. Or that flip-flop with precision aim.
49:01Craig Robinson:Right.
49:02Wayans:So, yes. We all know that boomerang joke from the great Eddie Murphy. Incredible. All right. Black dads be like, what does your dad say every time he walks past the thermostat?
49:18Craig Robinson:What is, we ain't trying to heat up the whole, cool down the whole neighborhood.
49:22Taraji P Henson:You got one? I do. What is, nobody should be touching this who ain't paying rent?
49:30Wayans:Close. Both of those are very close. We have, why do it feel like the topic's in here? Y 'all paying the light bills? Or touch it again and see what happens. Oh, yes. It was close. We're splitting between the two of you. Okay. So what is it, 2-1, 3-1?
49:47Michelle Obama:It's 2.5 or 1.5.
49:49Wayans:2.5, 1.5. Okay. That's close. Come on. Okay, okay. All right, church folks. Okay. If someone shouts, take your time, pastor, they probably mean what?
49:59Craig Robinson:They probably mean hurry up so I can get to the repass and have some fried chicken. That's right.
50:04Wayans:Are y 'all so specific with it? Ding, ding, ding. Jeez. Get to the repass and have some fried chicken. That's usually at a funeral.
50:12Craig Robinson:I know, but, you know, it's a discernment. Other acceptable answers was wrap it up, we hungry, and you dragging it.
50:22Wayans:Mama said is the category. Mama said, if she uses your full government name, including the middle one, what does that mean? Oh, I think Michelle was first.
50:33Craig Robinson:You about to get your butt whooped.
50:36Wayans:You about to get it. That is the answer. Let's go. Craig, where you at, man?
50:41Taraji P Henson:I'm right here.
50:42Wayans:I'm right here.
50:43Craig Robinson:Your hand is too far away. You need a better... You gotta be closer to the butt. I gotta get a question before.
50:49Taraji P Henson:Because I might press it to you. Okay, okay.
50:51Craig Robinson:Just hover right above.
50:52Taraji P Henson:Then he's gonna lose.
50:55Wayans:Category. You better say it right.
50:58Craig Robinson:Better say it right.
50:59Wayans:When a black auntie says, bless her heart, what does she mean?
51:07Wayans:What is... She's doing something wrong. Uh-huh. You got a better one?
51:17Craig Robinson:What is, you have no talent at whatever it is you're trying to do.
51:22Wayans:Y 'all being nice. We would have accepted she being shady, that girl is struggling, or she a mess. She a mess. Nobody got that one. Yeah, we were trying to be too nice. We tried to be too nice on that one. This next category is fixing your plate. Ooh. Where is your mama's potato salad recipe stored? That's you, Greg. What is in the middle of the Gideon Bible?
52:01Wayans:Go ahead.
52:02Craig Robinson:She don't write the recipe down. She knows it in her head. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
52:07Wayans:That was a good one. That was a good one. That was a good one. That was close, though. That Gideon. You got to keep it close. You got to keep it close. All right, next category. Oh, you fancy. She got on hoops, a side part, and baby hairs laid. What does that mean?
52:30Who got that?
52:31Wayans:I think it was great.
52:32Craig Robinson:Okay. What is mama's going out tonight? Close.
52:38Wayans:You got one, Michelle?
52:41Craig Robinson:What does that mean? It just means it's a Tuesday
52:46Wayans:That means she about her business Yeah
52:48Craig Robinson:She not playing
52:49Wayans:She mean business And don't try her That's basically what y 'all said Give them both a point Alright this next category There's only two more Okay So we got a chance to catch up Don't touch that is the category When your mama says She watching her stories What is she referring to? Go ahead
53:09Craig Robinson:What is All My Children, Brian's Hope, One Life to Live, any of the daytime soaps.
53:16Wayans:What is General Hospital
53:19Taraji P Henson:at our house?
53:20Wayans:Well, no, he doesn't get that far. Soap operas, yeah, no. You got that. Come on now. That was a good one. This is a bonus question. What's the score?
53:30Michelle Obama:We got 5.5 to 1.5.
53:34Wayans:Oh, man. It's got to be worth 20 points. Five points. For a time. Somebody to win. Five points would be six. Yeah, that's right. Four points would be five. Yeah. Yeah, that five points would be the. Okay. Five pointer. Okay. I'm nervous. The category is the Obamas be Obamas. Question. Barack hit you with the, now let me be clear. What's coming next? Michelle.
54:02Craig Robinson:A 20-minute answer to a question.
54:05Wayans:100%. a whole ass TED talk. Listen. Listen. But that's because they married. That ain't married. That ain't married for you. I didn't make up the question. Well, I think we got a champion.
54:21Craig Robinson:I think your flaw, you were too laid up off the buzzer.
54:26Taraji P Henson:No, it wasn't the quickness. It was my answers. I was trying to be too creative. But wasn't that a nice,
54:30Wayans:stroll down black memory? It was lovely. That was really fun. That was lovely. The old aunties and the Bibles. The baby hairs.
54:37Craig Robinson:Yeah, baby hairs. You know.
54:39Wayans:I love it. Shout out to the coach.
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