Simplify Your Life with Anderson .Paak

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24:20Given all the stuff that you've been through at a young age like that, how did you remain so positive, so bright? Because we met briefly for the first time before we came out here, and you have this light about you, this great spirit. How were you able to keep it, or did you? Yeah, I mean, there's times, you know, I have my moods and everything. I've been called moody and there's a lot behind the smile. And I did an interview recently with a rapper named Nori who pointed this out. He said, usually people like that, that, you know, they have that smile and they've been through all this crazy stuff.

25:00They're trying to protect their peace. And I think that's probably what it was. me having this how I am now is there's a part of it that's natural but there's a part of it too that's like I feel like defense mechanism a coping mechanism that I have from the things that I've seen things that I've gone through and my piece is important for me the things that that I do were kind of like escapism I feel like for what was going on in my reality when I think about me going watching the tv and learning how to dance and then learning how to play drums and moving on to everything I'm doing now, it's always that kid that was running to his room and getting away from the craziness, I think, and creating my own world.

25:44Music was that. Music was that. And the smile is just, you know, thank God my mom got me some braces because the smile wasn't always this nice. It was coming at you in 4D.

25:57And so she was like, we got to get a grip on that. Somebody said my teeth are like the temptations. Everybody wants to see me. So back then, it was tough. I got the braces on, and then it was a long process. It just happened like this. I didn't come out like this. It was a whole process. I was real chubby.

26:14Craig Robinson:If your teeth were like that, you probably had the retainer, the night thing. They were like, we're going to work on it. Yeah, we're going to work on it. Like jaw fasteners and all that. I didn't have all that. Why you got to do me like that? I'm sorry. I didn't have headgear. Damn. I was like, I stopped short of headgear. Just hold on. They got to get a jar out of pain. And you were a chubby little dude, too. I was a hefty critter. So you were eating your way through the pain.

26:45I eat because I'm unhappy. Yeah, that was it. My mom, she works so much, so she knows how to cook. She can burn, but she didn't have time. She'd just be like, here's 20 bucks, figure it out. And, you know, we'd go order some pizza and Taco Bell. And man, that's how I was doing. I didn't have good eating habits for so long. I didn't know I didn't have good eating habits. It's just how I grew up. A couple of noodles and Thai ramen and everything. And yeah, I was as big as a house. And then, yeah, after my senior year, I was like, screw this.

27:15Craig Robinson:I'm still a virgin. I'm going to be fly. I'm going to be fly. Y 'all going to see. I put that snare drum down. Exactly. I'm going to get me a girl. Yeah. Your mom sounds incredible. I mean, because it's like, you know, she also was taking care of your stepbrothers and sisters like they were her own. Even through all that she went through with your father. Right. And never treated them differently. You know, it's like you all were all one family. And for her to be able to hold it together like that through all that she was dealing with. But she had some tough times. and I'm sure that had a lot to do.

28:01Craig Robinson:Well, let me not put words in your mouth, but talk about what your mom went through and how that affected it. Because you guys were on the upswing with her business. She was into strawberries. Can you talk about that? Yeah, my mom had a strawberry company in Oxnard. And, you know, we went from, after my pops went to prison, we were in, you know, apartments. And every year, just the business got better. and by the time I was in a senior high school, we were in a big mansion and we were used to always like changing, you know, different houses and everything, but we were doing good. And again, I didn't, my mom, she kept stuff from me.

28:38She, you know, she thought kids' business was kids' business and she was going to work and we didn't need to know everything. And I remember just like having everything. I had my own studio, my sisters, my two older sisters, they were married, but she was taking care of them as well. and everything was on the ups. And I got called into the principal's office one day and my principal just slid the newspaper to me and was my mom on the front cover. She had been arrested and my step-pops was in cuffs too. And they had both been arrested. And I was just like, what the hell is going on? He's like, you know what's going on?

29:09I was like, nah. Then my brother-in-law called me. He's like, yo, they got mom. They've been building a case on them for years and they got her for like 75 counts, you know, securities fraud and all these different things. and I was just in shock. The whole school was looking at me like, that's how he got that house. You know, it was like, again, only black kid in the school. It was just like, damn, it was messed up. And everything just turned upside down. And, you know, so by my pops being in prison, my uncle, now my mom, my steps pops, it was just like nonstop.

29:47Craig Robinson:Where did you guys go after? Because she went to prison, she was sentenced. Yeah, so she was actually in county for like a year and a half. We were trying to figure out how to get her a lawyer and see if we're going to fight it and all this stuff. And she was like, I don't want to fight it. We couldn't get—she was like, if we can't get a great lawyer, I'm just going to do my time. I know what I did. I know they're trying to put me under the prison, so I'm just going to do a plea, do my time, and I'll be out. You should get a job, Brandon, because your sisters are going to come in and watch your little sister.

30:17And as soon as you can work, you should figure out something. And I know you want to do your music, but do that as well. But you should get out the house and be a man and go and lighten the load. How old were you? I was 17. Yeah. So I.

30:29Craig Robinson:What did that feel like? I mean, what did that feel like to your 17 year old soul to have your world turned upside down and then be told you got to figure it out? Yeah. I mean, one hand it was crushing because my mom is. I just. It would just kill me to know like she was in prison. Like she was not a violent person. The sweetest person. and no criminal records. So I was just always so worried, like, what's going on in there with her? And I hope she's okay. And then on the other hand, she was just so positive and optimistic and strong that it made me want to get my stuff together and just keep going.

31:06And she was very just like, yeah, man, I'm going to be all right. You know, I'm worried about you guys more so. Like, you guys, you know, do what you guys have to do. Don't worry about me. and so and at the same time I thought I was going to be like signed by then like before that I was making mixtapes I was DJing I had my own like demo that I was selling at school couldn't nobody tell me I wasn't going to be right out of high school like signed to Jay-Z you know and

31:33Craig Robinson:it was like that big record scratch yeah so there was still a part of me like okay I'm still going to try to do this but my world's upside down and I had to move out and all this stuff so right after I graduated high school somehow and I was like, all right, I'm going to go to LA. I'm going to make the move, going to try to do my thing and I'm going to take some meetings. I had a manager at the time that was taking me around and my two older sisters were taking care of my little sister and I pretty much was off into the world after there and I did a bunch of stuff. I went to Atlanta and, you know, was trying to get a record deal, got every door closed on me and got a rude awakening that, you know, yeah, this is cool but can you do more something like this and we don't get it.

32:14Like, you want to rap, you sing.

32:17Craig Robinson:What were you doing then? I was doing a lot of everything. I had a little demo that I was taking around and I was rapping. I was singing. I made all the beats. I was playing drums. And back then it was a lot of emulating. And so I was back in Oxnard and my sister lived in Northridge and I was like, okay, well, let me try to live with you. And that's kind of LA. So So she was like, you can sleep on the couch if you want. But if you live here, you want help on these bills. And so I tried to do stuff and it wasn't happening. So then I had to get a job. One of my first jobs was working at Ralph's Grocery with my brother-in-law.

32:54And I was bagging groceries and pushing in carts. And I was writing songs still. I was still writing. What was your look then? My look? Yeah. Very regular degular. You know what it was? I was very anti after I got chewed and spit out I was very anti hip hop very anti it's like I'm going this way I'm going complete hipster I don't listen to that I listen to Beck I listen to Radiohead Co-Play I have specs black frames skinny jeans button ups with the what'd you do with your hair what were you doing

33:30Craig Robinson:with it by then I got a little part in my hand no man you know like line up nothing very just natural all natural Yeah, au natural. Did you have an accent? Did you play around with that a little bit? You did. You listened to them old songs back then. I was like, boy, you are not from Wales. Like, where are you getting this from? Who was your crew? Who were the people that you were, or were you working too much to have friends? I had a little crew. I had a crew. Shout out to Benji and Yulia's my crew from, like, high school. And I had a few people that, you know, that were still, I was still kicking it.

34:06Craig Robinson:Because Benji's still with you. Did you guys do some stuff together in one of your friends? No, it's a different one. Okay. This is before I actually met my crew that I'm hanging with now because I eventually made my way to music school. But I had a few people that I knew from high school that were taking me and letting me live in their garage and different stuff. I was still kind of always doing music, but I was working jobs because I couldn't make money doing music. So how did you figure out, okay, this is going to be the lane I'm going to be in now, style-wise? Wow, it took a lot, man. It took a lot of just making a lot of different music.

34:37I was playing for a lot of people. When I finally got to LA, I did a lot of like, you know, putting bands together for other artists. And I would see how they do stuff. And everybody was like, you're a great drummer. So I played behind a lot of different people coming up. And some of them were really talented. Some of them weren't. And I picked up a lot of different stuff from different people. And eventually, I got to a point where I met this guy. and he told me, he's like, you know, you're really talented, but you don't have any work ethic. And I think that because you're so multifaceted and talented, it's kind of working against you.

35:13Because look at all the things you're doing. And this is, you know, I was getting close to 30 at this point and I thought I was going to be young forever. And at this point, I had my son, I'm a Korean wife. And I was still like trying to play drums with this person, make a song over here, do this stuff. And he was like, if you just sat down in a room, Sit your ass down And just work on you Don't invite anybody Just work on you You could probably do something You get a whiteboard Start figuring out How you want to go about it What kind of artists You look up to Maybe you could do Something different Draw from there And simplify your life And he brought up Your great husband's quote Where he said You know I only had a couple suits And I simplify my life I don't want to worry about What I'm going to wear every day So I can make better decisions And so That's what I had to do He did say that He sure did He still does that.

36:05Craig Robinson:We need to get him that jacket. Right, right. It's like you can unsimplify a little bit. He's a fly. He's a fly. I see him. I know you're a fly guy. Don't say that. Now his head is just going, Anderson Paxton is on fly. I'm going to hear that for the rest of the year. Yeah. But it was those words, man. And I finally, he said, and if you do it, if you, I was like, how am I going to do it? I got to pay rent. I don't know. I got to figure out how I'm going to do it. He's like, I'll pay rent. How about that? if you just sit in this room. And who was this? This was a manager at the time. His name was Brian Lee.

36:38Okay. Yeah, he gonna run with this one. Shout out to Brian. Shout out to B. Lee. Take this little clip. You're gonna have a documentary series out in the next week. See, you heard what Obama said. Obama did not say that. Is that Brian Lee? Brian Lee. He sat me in that room. He said, I'll pay you rent. I'll get the little computer. I was like, but I need all this. He's like, no, you're gonna get just this little computer, Mac Mini, get your little mini board, and you're going to figure out how to record yourself. You're going to sit here, you're going to make a bunch of songs, figure out your sound, and just do it.

37:09And it was in that room that I went from being Breezy Lovejoy to Anderson.Paak.

37:14Craig Robinson:See, that's what I wanted you to say. You were Breezy Lovejoy. What does that mean? Where'd you get that? Tell me. Tell me. I got you. He's not the one. It's like you two. She's bad because she knows that DJ in college. Oh, he did. What's your DJ name? Craigie Craig. Craigie Craig. Just like Breezy Lovejoy. Come on, Craig. Man, we would have been killing back in the day. Top life security world, Craig. Shoot. That's incredible, yeah. The old head and the young one. That's right. There's still time. There's still time. We can make it work. I'm telling you. We can make it work. I'm telling you. Yeah.

37:54Breezy Lovejoy. I mean, okay, well, there's a story. I used to tell people when there was a real story about how I got breezy, But I used to tell people because I'm an Aquarius, you know, I'm an air sign. I go with the wind, where the wind blows. I'm breezy. I'm easy breezy. Yeah. You know? And the love joy is like something you need more of. But the real story is I was passing gas a lot as a kid. I was just a little chubby kid farting all around the room. And my brother-in-law was like, I'm going to call you breezy. You always farting. No. Like a gust of wind when it hits you. That's what we're going to go with.

38:24So that was that. Before you got your diet together. That's right. Exactly. That sort of fast food diet. Exactly. Mess you up. That Taco Bell. It wasn't agreeing. It wasn't in agreeance. Yeah, so I had to switch it up. And yeah, Brian was like... What did Breezy Lovejoy look like? Breezy Lovejoy was chubby. I mean, no, you know, Breezy Lovejoy went through that transformation too. So he had like Dreadhawk. He was like, you know, after the transformation, I was working out a lot. So I was always in like a cutoff tee, a real rock image.

38:57Craig Robinson:And still rapping? Oh, still rapping. About what? I was doing all kinds of rapping about What was Breezy's life about? I was rapping about You know Being in the streets of Venice And you know I was like Were the streets of Venice hard? The streets of Venice I was going to that music college So I have been exposed To a lot of different relationships And I was like a crooner too I was playing piano So I was making songs about You're my girl's best friend And I don't want to be alone No more with you That was like one of the Breezy Lovejoy And Breezy Breezy Oh my god Talk about it He was still happy-go-lucky But he was really trying to find his sound He didn't really have one sound Or even one unique tone And that's where Breezy was at And I remember Brian was like You gotta change that name That's the last thing we gotta do Now you done did everything Now we gotta change that name And I was like What you talking about?

39:51I got 200 followers on MySpace His name stays I don't work for that He's like Roy, this name stays. And that's bad. And that's on Jack. And he said, you really going to meet Dr. Dre one day and tell him your name is Breezy Love Dre? And I was like, damn. You got a point. You got a point. He was like, you should go by your real name. Just go by Brandon Anderson. I was like, Brandon? Brandon. Are you kidding me?

40:18Craig Robinson:Well, Brandon is a little. I was like, okay. I love Brandon. Brandon's a mother's name. My mom loves it. Brandon Pac Anderson. So that's my full name. And so we did a little, you know, jigsaw and we went with Anderson, Anderson Pac. And I was like, well, it's pronounced Pac. And he said, nah, say Pac because they won't know if it's a group or a band and people will argue if it's Pac or Pac and it'll make you the talk of the town. So that was intentional. Yeah. Yeah. So where'd the period come from? Period came. I put the dot on there because so at this point I was, you know, damn near 30 years old and I felt like I had been overlooked for so many years.

40:53I felt like, you know, I used to call myself the most underrated yet elevated. Like when we play in the band and we used to, everybody would be making it. And we just, I felt like, you know, we got ignored a lot. And I put the dot because I said, you know what? When I make it, I want to make people put that dot. They're going to have to pay attention because they didn't pay attention to me for so long. And now they got to remember to put that dot. So it's always a period. As you say, period.

41:18Craig Robinson:That's right. It's like my green M &Ms, you know, my thing. And I was like, y 'all going to do it. I took the chance. I done worked all this, you know, this time to get here. So it's a dot for detail. Just remember, it's the small things, the little things that can get you. It's a big place.

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46:02Craig Robinson:What was the first break, the first reel where you were like, I'm in? Yeah. When I got the call to work with Dr. Dre, that was a big break. And how did he hear about you? What precipitated that? So I had a couple songs that were circulating at the time that was big in the streets. This was before Spotify was a really big thing. It was really just about SoundCloud and Reverb Nation and stuff like that. where can you hum a few bars what did it sound like what was the song can I say the song oh yeah oh yeah it's his song it was a song called Suede and the song simply goes if I call you a bitch it's cause you're my bitch and as long as no one else call you a bitch then it won't be no problems now if I call you a trick it's cause you paid rent and as long as you don't call out the six then it won't be no problems now rock with me now yeah there you go Oh, you made, could you say that?

47:02Craig Robinson:Yes. Oh, yes. No, you absolutely can. So, Dre heard that. That did it all for me. That did it. Yeah, well, it was, yeah, I recorded that song and it was moving around. People knew about it and, you know, and so when they said Dre wanted to hit me up, I was a little shook because that's like the final boss. I grew up in the West Coast and nothing's bigger than Dre. Yeah. And so there was a little bit of shook and also a little bit of like self-savish. I was always like, I ain't going to that session. Oh, yeah. I don't need that. Like, they're going to try to make me something I'm not. And who knows?

47:35He ain't putting out no album no time soon. I'm working on my stuff and this and that. And really, you were afraid that you might fail. Looking back on it, yeah. You know, Dre's known for, he don't care who you are, what hype. You know, if he don't like it, he don't like it. And so they begged. My new manager at the time, he was like, please go, man. You know, Adrian Miller, shout out to Adrian Miller. Gotta say Brian Lee, shout out to Adrian Miller. Yeah. He was like, come on, man, show up. Let's just do it. and I show up and first person I meet was Dr. Dre and him and the DLC and they was like hey man I heard a lot about you you know that's what's up cool and then they go off they was watching the playoffs and um they ushered me into the studio and I met these two writers King Mez and JT and they were like we love your song Suede like we love it we've been playing it non-stop and um we want you to help on this Dr.

48:21Dre album it's top secret no one knows about it don't tell anyone bet cool um So they played me some music. I'm like, great, let's start working. And they say, hold up, before we play this, we want to play your song, Suede for Dre. And I was like, oh, no, he hasn't heard it yet? Like, come on. Let's get some, let's just go. I'm in here now. We don't got to do it. What if he doesn't like it?

48:40Craig Robinson:You know, like, damn. It's like, just leave it. Yeah, it's all good. That would be deflating. Oh, my God. That would be deflating. Yeah, actually. You thought that's why you were here, because of Suede, right? Little did I know, Dre didn't have a clue. I was a runner. I was a food tier. Go ahead, man. Yeah. And they were like, we want to play it for Dre. So I was nervous. And he came in there and they threw on the record. And I was like, I didn't know where to look. I was just looking at the floor. I was looking at his feet. That's where I realized like, oh, Dre wears the same shoes every day.

49:11White Air Force Ones. All right. It's like check. Yeah, check. Noted. Simplify your life. Okay. Got it. So he playing the music. And man, he cranks it. You know, he playing, cranks it up. They blasting it. And I look up and he's like, I play that again. What's your name again? AP? Andy, what should I call you? AP. We're going to call you AP. Play it again.

49:35Craig Robinson:You didn't focus on the period? Yeah, I didn't. Excuse me. It's an A period B. That's Mr. Pacquiao. No, none of that. Whatever you like. Honestly. You like it, I love it. You're just glad they didn't kick you out. Yeah, exactly. I was like, play it again. That's gangster. yeah yeah yeah let's work there's too much talent in the building and he just threw on the mic oh the mic started doing stuff and boom like he was i was back every day every day he hit me up to work on stuff and they told me it's top secret don't tell anybody about this i told everybody i told my cousin man i was telling everybody man i'm on i'm with dre don't talk to me don't don't don't like your tone bro i'm working with dre i ain't got time about that foolishness oh no yeah So I was like, I was hyped.

50:23That's when I was like, oh man, this is good. Because before that, man, it was tough. I was making low headway, but man, it was still struggling. I wasn't making any money really as an artist. And I was full-time artist. And so it was tough. And I had a family. When that moment came, I was like, wow. And then he put out an album. I woke up and he had dropped a surprise album called Compton. And I was all over the album. I was like on six tracks. They always call me Six Track Pack. And then he had a movie, Straight Outta Compton. And he did the Beats deal. And Dre was popping. And so I was like, wow.

50:58And I was like, well, shoot. I guess I should put out something now. And it was cool because he was so busy doing his thing that he didn't sign me right away. So I was working on an album called Malibu. And I had it like halfway done. But now people are looking. So I was hitting up producers. This album was like my dream album that I had been holding on to these songs for a while. and I didn't want to, I was like, when this comes out, I want people to be able to hear it. And now, like, I had a lot of, like, leverage and people were, had a lot of eyes on me. So I was hitting up people like, Knife Wonder and Madlib and Hitech.

51:31And these people were helping me complete the album now. And I was getting these features and Dre was still doing his thing. So I got to put it out independently. And, you know, now I own the masters.

51:41Craig Robinson:That was probably the best thing that happened. It was like, how fortuitous that he was too busy. And I was trying to, you know, we're trying to break our necks, trying to, Everyone was knocking down my door now trying to sign me before I couldn't buy a deal. And everyone was like, yeah, we're going to sign you now. And I was like, if I do sign anything, I'm going to sign a Dre whenever it comes back around. And I was on tour after that for years. I didn't see. How did you finance your tour? So it was a lot of things that happened. We started very, after Malibu came out, it started circulating.

52:14And I got a Grammy nom for Best New Artist and different things like that. and people were seeing that, oh, he's not like just a rapper. Like he could play, that he has a band. So we started getting festival offers to play at festivals and stuff. And so, you know, money, the rates started getting better. And then we got on a show called NPR Tiny Desk.

52:35Craig Robinson:Oh, I love you on Tiny Desk. That was... And that really opened it up. People started seeing, wow. And I didn't know that like playing drums and being the front man was going to be a big thing. And it was really that that kind of like opened everyone's eyes. And man, then we started getting booked for all kinds of gigs. And then our shows were starting to get lined around the corner. So how did you know how to line up your team so that financially you would, because you're the story of a lot of artists. Well, I went, before that, I was going to be with anybody who could help pay my rent. I would sign anything.

53:11And I got out of the manager who made me change my name. He is like, hey, I don't know what to do now. You're off. but if you ever do make it, you owe me this much. And so I learned a little bit like, oh, nothing of this stuff is free. Like these are all partnerships. So he was like, you will make it.

53:26Craig Robinson:Like that free rent. Exactly. It's like I pay your rent. No, you're not paying my rent. Exactly. Yeah. This is an investment. I want an ROI eventually. I don't know what to do with you now, but you're going to figure out. And so he gave me a big old receipt of how much I owed. And then I had a bunch of music, but I just was in debt and no connections. And so I met another manager and he said, hello, young fella. look, just look at me. I remember the first thing he said, he was like, just look at me as your personal ATM. And I said, bet. I got this debt. I got my rent. I got a wife. I got a kid.

53:59I want to do all this stuff. And he said, great. We're going to get your deal. I'll help you with all that stuff. Just, we're going to sign a management agreement though. And I signed him, a new manager, and he put together a financial team and a lawyer, everything. Some of the people I still have to this day. He wasn't perfect, but he was, you know, a bridge over Trevor Water. He was a guy that gave him an opportunity. I didn't have an opportunity. And he was one of the people that got me in front of Dre. And he didn't have all the knowledge of it, but he did teach me certain simple stuff like, don't sign your publishing no matter what.

54:35The very first thing people want to do is sign their publishing because they don't have a lot of finances and they need a big check up front. So they sign these publishing deals and that's your everything. That's your kids' kids stuff. and you get locked in for years so I didn't know what he was talking about and up until then people were trying to get my pension$5 ,000 and I'm like let's sign it I'm broke that's$5 ,000 we ain't walking away from that that's generational wealth and he was like bro don't sign that I'll give you$500 to get you to the next here's some grocery money I'm like alright I'm calm now I was just hungry but yeah he would do something like that And to this day, I'm holding on to that.

55:17And so, yeah, he was the person that got my initial team together. And then I started making money and didn't know where it was going. I never was the type to have a bank account before that. I was in collections. Like, I never had a...

55:33Craig Robinson:It's like, that's all you knew about the bank. That's all you knew about banks. I get a card, I max it out, and I'll be like, all right, on to the next. Yeah And I had debt School debt All kinds of stuff My credit was Bismal And Yeah it was like I did When I started making money It was just like I just You know here I had a team that he put In place But I never was checking To see where it was going And all this stuff They were just You know Putting it in places And thank God You know They were My first initial team Did do really cool stuff That to this day I'm really happy about You know I mean You were lucky Very lucky Very lucky Nobody's story Is like that It's like The story I'm waiting for it It's like I didn't know nothing And I gave everything to them Well that's true And I still have it That's true No no no I lost a lot Okay I had to go through The growing pains I had to fire everybody Okay It was a whole bunch of stuff But you know People, artists I see a lot of these things Where it's like They took me for this And that And all this stuff But you only You only do What you allow People to do And there's no reason Why I couldn't Pick up one of these contracts And looked it through and figured it out and maybe waited and stuff.

56:43It's not that I didn't know better. It's just like I was just trusting and doing what I can. And these people were helping me at a time and I didn't have anything. And so I needed the help. And they saw something in me when no one saw it. And I think, you know, you got to take the good with the bad sometimes. Right, right.

57:04Craig Robinson:Man, dude. Then I met Bruno. Oh, yeah. And I learned a lot about debt. talk about that how'd you meet Bruno how did you guys come together we met I opened up for him at the 24 karat magic it was one of my first big like opening tour offers when Malibu had came out and he took me all over Europe big arena shows and your first big arena shows yeah what was that what was that like it was incredible Breezy Lovejoy it was like look at where we are now we'd have made it Yeah, it was crazy. I remember, you know, like, after one of the shows, because our whole thing was like, yeah, we got to make it so that, you know, he messed up having us open.

57:52We about to steal some fans. We're going to be killing it. That was our whole mentality. And Bruno has that mentality, too. Like, we come from, like, you don't want to come on the stage after we go. You know, like, that's where we want to kill the stage and give people the best show possible. We don't care who's coming after. And that's how we went. And I remember one day we played and like, we had a standing ovation. I was like, ah. And I was like, yeah, we killed that. The next day they said, Bruno wants to talk to you. And I said, oh, shit. He's like, whoop. And I'll see a letter. He's like, meet me for dinner tonight.

58:21I want to talk. And I'm like, oh, damn, I'm talking to my band. I'm like, shit, I hope we didn't kill it too hard. Bruno wants to meet. This might be it. Yeah, yeah. So we go and we go to this restaurant that's like at the top floor. He and they're smoking a cigarette inside the restaurant. That's how I knew. I was like, oh, there's different type levels of famous. I was like, are you not? I don't think you're supposed to smoke here. It's not. Yeah, yeah. I think I'm brutal, Marx. It's non-smoking. Excuse me, sir, do you see the sign? Smoke my little? No. You put that down. Yeah, yeah. So he's like, I like you.

58:50You did great. You know, that was real cute. He said, listen, I want you to come on the rest of the tour with me. You know, I'm going to do, we got San Antonio. We got New York. I want to come on the American Lake. And, you know, my crazy self, I'm like, Well, okay, but I need a little more money, you know, because I got the band and this and that. He's like, you know, the tour sold out. And I said, okay. So that means I don't need you to do this. So you'll take it or leave it, buddy. I'll do it because I like you. It's not because I need you. So I said, damn.

59:25Craig Robinson:Oh, you got a point. You got a point there. I'm learning business quick. I said, all right, I'll be back. I'll figure it out. and that was a big decision because you know at that point I had Malibu and then Dre was like hey man when are you going to come back and make your next album and I was like oh wow that's right I need to make another album it's been years you know and I had been on the road non-stop and if I would have kept going with him I mean he's just coming off that 24 karat and he just so it's like it's easy to you know get caught up in that where you can be on the road for a long time and you forget or doing different things because it's like it's fun or because it's like lucrative and stuff and then you forget like okay well I got I still got stuff over here also I had a family I also had different things going on so um I had to make a decision it was a tough one to be like okay this I'm gonna leave the tour gonna go work on my album work on my stuff um go back be with the family and and um you know, tap in on my own artistry.

1:00:28As fun as it is to open up, I didn't want to get stuck in being an opener or being like some sidekick or something. What was Bruno's reaction to that? Good luck.

1:00:38Craig Robinson:It's like, tour's still sold out. Still sold out, yeah. Yeah, you know I come to see you in the first place. And so maybe we kept in touch and we made some music and it was just like, right away we hit it off. I hadn't met anybody that was that talented. It was my age and that couldn't make hits. and was a mega star, you know? Like it was, I worked with a lot of people that were older or maybe younger. And I was always like, felt like the Lone Ranger that was still like the guy that really wanted to play and perform and listen to old school stuff. And he was that even, and even more.

1:01:23and so um i went off did my stuff and um eventually uh quarantine hit so everything came to a halt and everyone was stuck no more tours and um the blessing of it was i had to be home with the kids and so my kids now are you know eight years old and i had a little baby i was like and you've been on the road since they were born 2016 yeah even before that i that was my life you know bread and butter was put something out go on the road for months and you come home and life still goes on without you and you know your daddy's home and you just let the kids run up to you and yeah then they come out like not long time no see nobody's saving you no chicken and don't get the big piece of chicken no more.

1:02:04And everyone's like on the iPad. Like, you know, so it became apparent like if I wasn't going to have a lot of time, it was very important about what you do with the time and being present. And I know daddy's working and all these things cost and you got to do all this stuff. But while I'm here, I want to be present. And that was really what Quarantine did for me. I got to be present, create a bond with my son, figure out what he was into. He's like, I like YouTube. I want to be a YouTuber. I'm like, okay, what's that? I like K-pop. I'm like, K-pop? What you know about Tupac? boy, BTS, what you know about BET?

1:02:38How long I've been away for? What the hell is happening in this house now? I got to rectify some things. Yeah, so then I had to tap in and then I see he liked to do YouTube. So I'm like, oh, let's make some skits. I remember it brought me back when I was a kid making like funny skits with my sisters. And I used to love like editing and filming and making home videos. And it brought me back to doing that. And so I became one, I wanted to be a YouTuber more than him by the end of it. I'm like, come on, son, let's do this. and I realized how funny he was. And he had been in dance classes forever.

1:03:07So he was like a little dance machine. And I'm like, wow, this is 2.0. Faster, more handsome.

1:03:14Craig Robinson:Does he have the same kind of energy as you do? Yeah, even cooler energy. What's that like in the house with you two? Well, you know, he's a Sag and I'm Aquarius. So I don't know. Y 'all can do the research on that. No, Julia knows it. We're always talking about this. So it was a lot of just us staring at each other like, all right. Go ahead with your bad self. All right, I'll see you over there. You know, I used to do a little. So he's really much like, I see you doing that. I'm going to have my own thing. Kind of like you. Yeah, yeah, very much so. And his mom. And, you know, and he's got the Korean side too.

1:03:52His mom is full Korean. And he's got a different. Is she musical? She's musical. Sings, plays keys and everything.

1:03:58Craig Robinson:All right, so the K-Pops is fully your story. Yeah. Not fully, but I was pulling from the whale. Yeah, that was why I was like, son, I'm going to write a script. Like, this could be something. So you thought of that in COVID. But we're talking about K-Pops. Yeah, my movie. The movie. Yeah, my feature film. And I knew I wanted to, because at that point, I saw that, okay, touring stop. I love music. It's always going to be there. But that's when I realized, like, oh, man, you know, different. I could tell different stories in different mediums. And it might take a while for me to learn a new medium, but that's the joy of the whole process.

1:04:40So this was your first script? Yeah. And you taught yourself how to do it? Yeah, so I had a co-writer. I had to come up with the idea first. And what if I didn't know I had a son? That son could be the next K-pop star. And I come into his life, and I'm teaching him about his black culture, and he's teaching me about the Korean side because I didn't know anything about my Korean side until I met his mom, and then I was reintroduced. So I had all these unique experiences that I could pull from and put them in this movie that I didn't think anybody had really done before. Like, especially Asians and black people.

1:05:09Like, that was real. Like, we got Rush Hour, you know, and that's about it. So I was like, this could be cool. And then I didn't want it to be, I know I had a lot of different things that I could pull from and trauma and different things, racism, things that we all been through. But I wanted to kind of pull from the things that helped me cope with all those things. Like the love, the music, the fun, the comedy. And I felt like there wasn't a lot of movies that were bringing families together where you saw families on the screen. It was family comedy. No one dies. You know, it's like different things.

1:05:42Craig Robinson:My kind of movie. Right. Very uplifting. By the way. I mean. Yeah. And my mom too. She's like, Brandi, you know what? This is like a Hallmark movie. I was like, mom. Oh, don't say that. You mean Sundance? Right. No, this is Hallmark. This is ready for Hallmark. I was like, all right. But I understood what she was saying. It's like, you know, sometimes you want escapism of knowing that everything's going to be all right. And, you know, that doesn't mean you can't put different things in there. But it's beautiful when you can. It's really hard to do those kind of movies. So, yeah, that was the genesis of it.

1:06:12And I started doing the process. And I met with my buddy, Dump Founded. Because once I knew I wanted to direct and everything, people didn't want me to do it. And I wanted to be in it. And I wanted my son to be in it. And they were like, okay, that's a lot. It's very ambitious. Like, why don't we give it to somebody? Give it to this. I'm like, I don't want nobody around my son. Don't you know who I am? Come on now. Formerly Breezy Lovejoy?

1:06:33Craig Robinson:Really? Ring a bell? I do hard. Exactly. Yeah, so I eventually got my boy, Dump Found It, who was one of my best friends that I met coming up in L.A., who started music but was making the venture into movies, was working with this company, Stampede and EST. And he said, bring it to them. They're taking chances on, you know, different stories. and I pitched them the idea and they said, yeah, cool. We'll give you some money to do it. And I was shocked. I was like, whoa, all right, cool. So, and they were like, you want to direct it, right? I was like, yeah. And you want to write it? And I didn't know how to write a script.

1:07:08It had none. So I was like, maybe I need a, I would love to have a co-writer actually because I need, just to show me structure or whatever. And they blessed me with this really young co-writer, Kayla Amazon, this young black writer who was a military brat and who also happened to be a K-pop fanatic.

1:07:23Craig Robinson:so she was like right when got in there and we was just in here just like this and I'm like this and I'm like so she's like alright this is K-pop one on one this is movie structure one on one she graduated from you know film school and everything and I think it worked out because it was those two worlds and she taught me structure and she taught me the idea that I had gained all these layers because it wasn't it wasn't as deep as him being on a show and all these different things and I learned more about the structure of K-pop and how they have this you know this incubation system and this whole thing about this person is this person and that and all this thing.

1:07:57And again, it was making me think of groups that I came up with. And so I was like, this is going to be a cool opportunity to show how things relate and how much in common things have and how, yes, people take and pull from different things and have their own interpretation. But that's been going on for years.

1:08:11Craig Robinson:My favorite scene in the movie is when you're out with, I shouldn't say, when Pops is out with his son and they go by the record store. Yeah. And he starts pulling out the albums. It's explaining this is what, you know, trying to teach his son some soul and understand what it means. That was beautifully done. Thank you. You know? Thank you. And was that the first time you acted? Yeah. I mean, I'd done different things, but this was the first. I mean, you were really good in it. That's talented. I mean, funny and, you know, lit up the screen. Really, truly. You know, I mean, I was laughing out loud watching the movie.

1:08:50Craig Robinson:Really sweet. and your son. I mean, so now your son is, you said, is man. Yeah. I mean, it took forever. He was like eight years old. He was obsessed with K-pop. And then by the time we got to shoot, I got all the money and stuff. He was like 11 years old. And he's like, man, I don't like K-pop no more. I like Slipknot. I'm like, contractually, son, here's the thing. I need this to work. We're doing this. I owe a lot of money. So he was like, all right, I guess, you know, He's going into his teens, and I had to adjust things for him, but he was like, I'm going to do you a solid, Dad. You seem really into it.

1:09:27And I'm like, thank you, son. Let's do this. Thank you.

1:09:30Craig Robinson:This is about your tuition and your life. I appreciate this is going to mean more than you know later. And so, yeah, and it was cool because the whole thing was like, I really loved being on set with him and being able to kick it with your son and see him grow, and we're working together, and we're creating a bond, but we also have to be on set really early, and I'm seeing him learn about how to be, learn the language of being on set, you know, being on his mark. And he's taking his acting classes serious and learning his lines and getting me on my game. And it was just so much fun. And, you know, at the end of it, I was like, it was really surprising because like, I didn't know how he was going to take it.

1:10:10And I could see him having a lot of fun. Mind you, before this, he was in homeschool all his life and now he's like around other kids and adults. And I've seen him blossom socially and everything. and I'm like, okay, we might have a little acting bug with little K-Pops too. And I'm like, what'd you think, son? Would you do it again? How'd you feel? He's like, it was great. I think we had a lot of core memories. I think you had a lot of fun, Dad. But I would just like to be a kid. It's not my passion. And yeah. That's pretty mature. We'll leave it there. That's pretty mature. I was like, dang. He's like, but it does depend on the script, Dad.

1:10:43And that's cool. I was fine with that and now he's going to school. Now he's like, it's funny when you like back off. off them, they get to do their thing their own way. Now he's playing guitar. He's playing bass, making beats. And I'm right back in his face like, all right.

1:10:54Craig Robinson:Come on now. You want to produce the next album. It's got to be their idea. It does. How's your mom doing? My mom is doing great. She has narrowed it down to one boyfriend now. Okay. She got... She's vegan. Okay. Kissing off every restaurant we go to. She is a Dodger fanatic. Oh my God. She got me into the Dodgers. So now we'd be All obsessed with the Dodgers Congratulations She's an F1 Exactly Shout out to Dodgers She's an F1 She's an F1 fanatic He's an F1 fanatic F2 fanatic Oh my gosh All of it So I'm broke Having to get all these passes And tickets She gotta be front row And everything Did she go to the Vegas race?

1:11:36She went to Yep The Vegas race She went to the last fight She gotta feel the sweat Come on baffle bumps I'm like dang Yeah So She's loving life And you know she's out in Atlanta and you know sometimes she'll tap in be a grandma help watch the kids and she'll be dipping out she's jet setting now I'm like mom because mom for some reason she's like I don't want to go anywhere Brandon I just I don't trust it the things that people eat I don't I'm like mom why is that stopping you from going anywhere really go travel no they're doing some foolishness over there with how they do the chicken you see that have you seen that I'm not trusted.

1:12:16I'm scared of that. But now she's traveling. She was in Puerto Rico. She's packing her own food. No. Yeah, yeah. She will. That's one way to piss her clean off. To hell with the whole country. Yeah, so she's bringing her food, and she's going to travel. London now, finally going to get her to go over across the pond. Yeah, dude, she's great. That's my dog. That's my best friend.

1:12:39Craig Robinson:Well, she did a great job in raising you, dude. She really has. and been through a lot, stayed strong. And I like to think that that's also where you get your steadiness and your drive. And like you said, your mom has taught you a lot of it, and you can see it. It's spilling out on this table. Thank you. Shout out to Mama. Yeah, shout out to my forget, Brian Lee. Yeah, Mama. You did it. You did that. Shout out from the Obamas and the Robinson. That one. Yeah. We see you. We see you, Mama Binda. We see you. Yeah. You want to do the listener question? Yeah. Let's hear from Amanda in Boston. Hi, my name is Amanda and I'm from Massachusetts.

1:13:29My husband and I have started to discuss growing our family. As a teacher and future parent, I often grapple with the idea of building resilience in young people. I had a fairly unstable childhood. My father battled alcoholism and actively worked on his recovery while my mother worked long hours trying to make ends meet. Because of this environment, I was forced to develop resilience and grit. I had to learn to guide myself and power through uncomfortable feelings without the guidance of my parents. I find myself being able to handle adversity in adulthood because of this learned resilience. I truly believe that I have my childhood and struggles to thank for this.

1:14:06As I think about raising independent and resilient future adults, I worry that I won't be able to provide my children with opportunities to naturally build this resilience. How do we balance this idea of giving children a predictable and loving home while also allowing them to naturally build resilience? I want to give my future children everything I did not have, but this can become a slippery slope. Thank you so much for your time. okay Amanda Amanda asks it's getting the answer from Mr. Resilience himself yeah really yeah you got can't be afraid to let them go through their own struggles you know sometimes like you know especially my kid he remembers my oldest one he remembers like the little apartment you know and me going us taking the bus and then when we first got our place we first got a car and he still remembers I'm a little one he just born in first class you know it's like he's born you know after we had the stuff so you know sometimes I take him through coach.

1:15:02I tell him, go ahead. Y 'all got to sit back there. I'm sitting up front. Y 'all figure it out. Work your way up. Take him down, skid row, let him see. This could be you now. Get out of the car. Go walk. No, you want to be tough, right? Go ahead. That's where it's going to get you. Get your ass in the car. Let's get out of here. That's some old school lessons. That's some old school stuff. You got to do it. And now, I wanted to protect him so much. I want to give him the life I didn't have all this stuff. And I realized all this stuff that I went through made me mean. and it wasn't like, it wasn't, I don't know how it would have been if, you know, the tables were turned and I got to live in that lap of luxury and my mom and everything worked out, I might have been still a chubby little spoiled brat, you know, and I know how to treat people and all this stuff.

1:15:44That's right. And so, you know, the kids have to go through their own trauma, their own set of different things in order, and you have to trust that the things that you install to them is going to stay with them when they go out into the world. So now my son is going to school now. he's made his debut and he was homeschooled forever I didn't want to put him in school I didn't trust nobody I was like nah we're going to keep him here and you know he was like please dad I want to go to school I'm sick of this I'm sick of my cousins I was like you don't like who's going to watch your little brother it's like not my job yeah it's not my job so now he's out and you know I trust that you know I worry sometimes but I trust that the things that he learned in the house and the way we raised him he's out there being a good representation and he's going to learn, you know, on his own.

1:16:30And you have to let him do that. And, you know, he's around other people and getting influenced and learning different things. And I'm excited for him. But I think that that's what you have to do. You have to trust that you raised him right and that you installed a lot of those things, but can't be afraid to let him go out and venture and bump their head sometimes and get back up. And it's a part of it.

1:16:50Craig Robinson:Yeah, that's a good point. You know, I think sometimes parents, they have to get out of the way. And I would say, Amanda, make sure that you aren't parenting out of fear or out of your own motives, right? Our mom was really good at that. She always used to say, I can't let my own fears get in the way of your growth. And the perfect example was when I got the chance to go out of town for the first time to a tournament. Basketball. A basketball term. My mom was scared to death. And I was going to Kansas City in a van with a bunch of guys and some coaches. And I didn't realize it until I was, she never told me this until I was grown.

1:17:38But she was absolutely afraid the whole time I was gone. And she just ate that fear and let me experience it. And I tell you, it's just like what you're saying. It's not doing the homework, not getting in the way of your child's development because of your own personal fears too.

1:18:02Craig Robinson:You see it in coaching a lot. Oh man, I see it so much now in coaching kids that these parents are trying to curate the perfect childhood for them. And that's not sports. It's not going to be perfect. You're not going to go undefeated. You're not going to ever not miss a shot. You're not going to ever run into a kid who's better than you are. And you're going to lose a lot. You are going to lose. You are going to, at some point in life, somebody is going to be mean to you. You're going to be disappointed. Something's not going to work out. We've all experienced that. Yes. So we got to prepare kids for that.

1:18:45Craig Robinson:That's what resilience is. And you don't have to be flat broke to do it. You don't have to have extenuating circumstances to do it. But you do have to let go throughout their childhood. And Amanda, your kids will still love you. That's the thing. They'll still love you. That is the crazy thing about it. And for a minute, you have to not care whether they like you or not. I mean, that's kind of the secret to parenting. You know, you got to be able to be like, I don't really care. If you like me, that's not my role in your life. You know, my favorite saying that my daughters say, I say, I say this all the time.

1:19:29Craig Robinson:I'm not one of your little friends. That was what my mom used to say to you. I just not. And I never felt like I needed to be. Oh, you mad? Right. Oh, you mad. You got rent? Mm-hmm. Exactly. So who's going to be madder longer? girl. It's like, who's not? Oh, you're not speaking to me? It's like, great. I won't speak to you. And guess who always wants? It's like, you gonna need to speak to me before. I could not speak to you for years and my life wouldn't change. She's rough, man. She's rough. She's rough. I don't go low, I don't go hell. That's right. She stays high except with her kids. It's like, oh, we're going low?

1:20:07Craig Robinson:Okay. All right. Let me show you low. Wow. And that would build resilience. Therein lies a little resilience there. They're never coming on. They're never coming on. Oh my God. None of our kids want to come. You know, that's why I'm telling you. He's the youngest, but this is what you're saying. Your son now, he's like, please. No interest. Yeah, no. No. I don't know. It may change, but, you know, especially when your parents are, you know, he's going to try to create as much distance between you and him. Yeah. What's the opposite of the drums? I'm serious, man. Well, yeah, he's doing guitar and I can't play it.

1:20:57I'm not a lick. I just be like, uh-huh. Learn how to play this though. You know, that's what I'm doing. He's just killing it. So, yeah. Yeah.

1:21:05Craig Robinson:Well, hopefully that helps. Amanda. Yeah. You know, figure stuff out. Anything on the music front coming our way? Yeah. I got some, I have a soundtrack that's going to accompany the movie where I'm doing some cool K-pop collabs and also like R &B and reaching back to different groups that I came up with like Earth, Wind & Fire and different stuff. I can't wait for that. I'm excited about the soundtrack. Like Anderson.Paak plays real music. That's right. Breaking news. Bringing real music back. Please keep doing it. Thank you. Y 'all keep doing what y 'all do. Yeah. And tell us about Andy's. Yes.

1:21:46Actually, can I bring in, can I give y 'all a gift?

1:21:48Craig Robinson:Yes. I got you. Please. Speaking of real music, it's becoming harder and harder to find places where you can perform real music, where you see people playing instruments. Where you hear people, you know, having a good time and seeing people dance. And I'm trying to bring that back. And that's how I came up in LA. and that was a big part of how we made it and got our buzz and I think it's important to have a place where bands can cut their teeth and practice and it can be like an incubation place where that happens and so I started a club called Andy's. What we got? Yes, this is a little so I got Oh, that's so nice of you.

1:22:23I got the supper club because I got food there I got an excellent menu. We coming, I'm coming. Live music every night. Oh, Andy's. And I got y 'all some Andy swag a little shuck a hat. And some breath mix. Now this is my other venture. Wham. I know y 'all do a lot of talking. Okay. Y 'all be up here. And so I started my own mint with my doctor. He's a Harvard graduate.

1:22:42Craig Robinson:You know what? You look like you could have a mint. Well, you know. You look minty fresh. Fresh. Minty fresh. I mean, everything about him smells good. And this is meant to be shared. Now y 'all can be, because confidence is meant to be shared. He is. Appreciate you, man. Well, thank you. Thank you. Thank you for the gifts. Thank you for bringing real music back into our lives. Congratulations on the film. everybody's got to see it congratulations on everything I really appreciate it thank you for being here we have some big fans here man yeah likewise even bigger after this