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30:28No, but it was. Yeah. But I finally then got a call to audition for George Abbott. And it was once upon a mattress. Wow. But that was five years later. Yeah. Okay. Did you have to get an agent at the time? I mean, how do you— Go get an agent. I know. Yeah, it's like, how do you break into, how do you come from nowhere with a cardboard suitcase and even sort of begin? How did you know what to do? Well, you try to get into an agent's office and you couldn't get past the receptionist. Right. They would throw your 8x10 glossy into the wastebasket. But you knew to get headshots? You did all that? Because I learned that from the girls.

31:12Okay, so you were in like your own little Broadway school. So finally, I did get a meeting with an agent. And I showed him my scrapbook from UCLA, you know, reviews. And he said, that's nice. Well, let me know when you're in something. I said, how do I get in something if I don't have an agent? Right. And he said, go put on your own show. I went back to the club called a meeting with all the girls I said we're going to put on a show Spanky we're putting on a show and how and how some of the older girls went oh for there were about 20 of us and we wrote and came up with the idea to how to do it.

32:09Uh-huh. And we showed the first act to the rich ladies who sponsored the club. They gave us$200 to rent the Carl Fisher Concert Hall on a certain night. We sent out penny postcards to every agent, director, producer in town saying, you're always saying, let us know when you're in something. Well, we're in something. This is it now. This is your ticket. And these are the two nights We're performing, so please come and see us. We were packed. How many seats in the theater? Carl Fisher, maybe 200, maybe. Wow. How long did it take you all to... From the time you landed in New York to the time that you put on this show.

32:56Oh, okay. That was 54. We put on the show in 55. So within a year, you figured out New York. The movies. again, Mickey and Judy, go put on a show. Right, right. So what was the play? Yeah, was it a comedy? Was it a musical? I know what happened was everybody was going to get to do their own thing. Okay, okay. Like one of my roommates, Tinker, was her name. She was British, really cute, kind of bouncy and bubbly. Was for some unknown reason into Spanish dancing. Okay, yeah. She had her cast in this. I'm all felt. And another one was a ballerina. Another one was a soprano. So what we did was, the first act was everybody sitting around in the parlors, supposedly, singing.

33:50It's a lazy afternoon. Nobody can get an agent. It's just terrible. And they're singing. Did you write the music? No. Lazy afternoon was from a show. Okay. So you took a, got it, got it. So then I burst in. Mm-hmm. all bubbly and saying, I love New York. And I'm singing this. There's a major song like that. I said, come on, guys, let's get. I know what. Let's put on a show. And then we all sang a little thing about that. Second act was the show. Wow. So Tinker got to do her Spanish dancing. Sally got to sing a song. What did you do? There was a Broadway show called New Faces of 1952. And one of the songs in it was Eartha Kitt.

34:39And she was very sexy. Oh, yes. And she sang a song called Monotonous. And the premise of that song was, I'm so gorgeous. I am so sexy. Everybody wants me. And it is so monotonous. And she had these chaise lashes. And she went from one chaise to the other. Very cat-like. And would flick around. Yeah, like a lion or a tiger. And it's all, so what I thought I would do would be to be in curlers and an apron and fuzzy slippers and three broken down kitchen chairs singing about how gorgeous I am. And it worked. Oh, man. Yeah. So did you naturally lean into comedy? Did you think, you know, because, you know, Tinker's seriously doing Spanish dancing and somebody's on point.

35:40You decide, I'm going to go for the laugh. Yeah, because I remember the laughter at UCLA. Okay. And then I could sing, so I could do both. Yeah. So out of that, three of us got jobs. Wow. Just from that. So you were able to get an agent from that and then you got a job. I got summer stock, and then I worked with a special material writer, and then I got to play, I had an act written. Okay. Like a one-woman act? Yeah. I worked at the Blue Angel nightclub, and then the special material writer, Ken Welch, wrote a song called, I Made a Fool of Myself Over John Foster Dulles. Yeah. It was at the height.

36:30of Elvis Presley. So it was very funny for this young girl to have the hots for John Foster Delbert because he was aptly named. He wore the hat and he was a door. He was the Secretary of State. So I did it on the Jack Parr show. I did it on the Ed Sullivan show. And so... So you just took this, this act took you, it was so impactful. What was funny, too, was after I'd done it on Salamadino, the Blue Angel, Mr. Dulles was on the press. And they were talking about, oh, what's going on in the world. And the very last thing, they said, what is this between you and that young girl? And I'm watching this show.

37:21Oh, my goodness, why? And he said, I make it a policy never to discuss matters of the heart in public. So he had a sense of humor. Yeah. So you were in the zeitgeist of news. You were. Yeah, and it wasn't just the entertainment session. Yeah. They wrote about it in the editorial department. Wow. I'm wondering if I was a Republican or a Democrat. Who is this? Did your mom and Nana hear about this? Was that when they were like, okay, maybe she's on to something? So now, when did you parlay that success into television, Hollywood, your own show? Well, I got a chance. I was in Mattress, once upon a mattress.

38:15And then there was a wonderful man named Gary Moore who had a major variety show at the time. And he knew my work. And his show was a big hit. And one of the guests one week was Martha Ray, who was a very funny, marvelous comedian. And she got bronchitis. and Gary called me on a Sunday and a show was going on. He said, Martha can't make it. Can you come and learn her stuff and be on Tuesday night? I was over there like Roadrunner. Can I? Yeah. So I learned everything and did the show. And Gary, before it went off the air, he told the audience what happened and brought me out on stage. He was so kind.

39:09And so as a result, the following September, he asked me if I'd be on every week. So now I'm doubling with Once Upon a Mattress and the Gary Moore Show. So things are popping. Wow. You're really in. My God, I was making money. So yeah, I was going to ask about that. Your lifestyle, no longer in the women's boarding? No, no. And so then it was just, I did Gary's show. And then CBS signed me to a 10-year contract where I would do a special a year and two guest shots on some of their sitcoms. times. But the agent, unbelievable. Within the five years he had it in the contract, that if I wanted to do an hour-long comedy variety show, all I have to do is push the button, and they would have to give me 30 shows.

40:09What? Wow. I mean, that was unheard of. Yeah. And they said, I didn't even think about it. I said, who wants to be on? That's not me. I want to be on Broadway. I want to, you know, so I totally forgot about it. And then I did another Broadway show, and it was not a happy experience. I had a problem with it. I got married. I had my daughter Carrie. Okay. And I was as cold as yesterday's mashed potatoes. Professionally, you were. Okay, so the heat is off now. Yeah. So we said, let's move to California, go back to California. And we put a down payment on a house at Beverly Hills. But wait, did you sign the 10-year contract yet?

41:02Oh, yeah. So you were in within the— It was there. Yeah, okay. You weren't thinking about it. Yeah, and now we go, oh, God, we got this house. Actually, it turned out to be a house Betty Grable lived in, which is kind of funny. Wow. And so we said, what do we got? And then we said, that contract. We had a week to go before that. So you needed to pay for the house. So it's like, okay, let's activate this. Yeah. And it was between Christmas and New Year's. And New Year's, it would have been over the five years. So I picked up the phone and I called the vice president in New York. And hi, Carol. Have a nice Christmas.

41:44Yeah, yeah. Mike, I'm calling because I want to push that button.

41:52He didn't remember it. He said, what button? I said, you know, the one where I get 30 one-hour shows? She said, oh, let me get back. Let me get the lawyers on this. That was it. Yeah. And he called the next day. And they were like, nope, she's got you. They said. He called back. He said, yeah, I see that, Carol. But, you know, comedy variety is a man's game. It's not for you gals. Ooh. Ooh, yeah, ooh. So he said, it's Cesar. It's Milton Berle. Now it's Dean Martin. He said, we've got this great sitcom we'd love you to do called Here's Agnes. Get your picture up. Yeah, really? Here's Agnes. You know, they're not making Agneses anymore.

42:45I always wonder what would have happened. I said, I don't want to be the same person every week. I want to do what I did on the Gary Moore show. Different people. And also, in doing Gary's show, I realized I really didn't want to be on Broadway all the time. Because you do the same thing overnight after night after night after night. Whereas with the comedy variety show, you do that. Next week, you've got another challenge. You have different songs you can do, different sketches. Can I ask, Carol, just to kind of fill in the blanks of support that you had, you know, who your mentors were? I mean, and what was it like being a woman in the business at that time?

43:32And even before you got to Hollywood and before you pushed that button, I mean, what were the challenges of being a woman in the business at the time? Well, Gary was very supportive, Gary Moore. So I never had a problem there. He was the kindest. And we had another second banana, which they call us, on the show named Derwood Kirby. So he was the guy. Oh, yeah. And I was the guy. And there would be times we would be reading the script for that week. And he'd have a joke or something. He'd say, you know what? Give this line to Carol or Durward. They can say it funnier than I can. That's who he was.

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45:02But you never had an issue as a woman or did you? I think it was my fault. What do you mean? In that era, the Betty Crocker era. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Okay, if a sketch wasn't working for Jackie Gleason or Sid Caesar, they'd call the writer, they'd, you guys, this sucks. Mm-hmm. Get over here. Yeah. If I did it, as a woman in that time, I would be considered a bitch. Yep. Mm-hmm. So what I would do would be, if the sketch wasn't working and we're in the rehearsal hall, I call the writers. I said, oh, guys, I'm having a little difficulty with it. Can you come down and help me out? Yeah, just like, oh, I'm so, I'm just so helpless.

45:56I can't tie my shoes. Sure, they'd come down and everything would be hunky-dory. You know, but now it's so much better. I mean, it's not all great, but now you've got Tina Fey, you've got Amy Poehler, you've got Kristen Wiig, you've got all these people who have their own production company who are doing it. Now, the other one you asked about a mentor was Lucy. Yeah, yeah. She was my pal. When did you meet her? At what time in your life did you meet? When I was doing Once Upon a Mattress. So you were still on Broadway. I was on Broadway. and she came to see the second night. I was more nervous than I was opening night with all the critics.

46:40I peeked through the curtain and I saw this orange hair in the second room. I went, oh, Lucy. And so after the show, we were in this off-Broadway theater and it was pretty funky. And my dressing room, it had a coil from the couch. So she knocks on the door, and I open the door, and she's, hiya, kid. She was 22 years older, so I'm kid. Yeah. She starts to watch. I said, look out. She says, I see it. And she sat down. It was like 20 minutes and got up. She said, kid, if you ever need me for anything, you call me. So like three years later, I had a special I was doing for NBC. And they said, okay, we'll give you that.

47:33But you got to have a major guest star. So the producer said, call Lucy. I said, I don't want to bother you. And you hadn't been in contact with her. Right. And he said, give her a call. She can do this. I'd love to, but I'm busy. So I got her on the phone. She said, hey, kids, you're doing great. What's happening? and I blubbered about, oh, Lucy, I'm doing this. And she interrupted me and she said, when do you want me? Wow. So we did it. And Zero Must Still was the other guest. It was just those two. And we had the best time. What was one of the best things you learned from Lucille Ball? Well, now she wouldn't say, hi, guys.

48:22She was more like the guys. She was like, she was ready to be a bitch. Oh, now here's the story. Okay. She was a guest on my show and we had a dinner break. So we went across the street to a restaurant from CBS. she's knocking back a whiskey sour. She says, you know, kid, you're doing really great. And it's great that Joe, my husband Joe, was producing the show. He was also a producer of the Gary Moore show. So he ran the show. And she said, that's great. You got Joe to be running. Because when I was married to the Cuban, she said, Dessie did everything. he invented the three camera system. He said, put them on wheels so they can move around.

49:17It was Desi. He took care of the costumes. He took care of the scripts so that, she said, all I had to do on a Monday is come in and be silly Lucy. Now we got a divorce and it's up to me. And she said, so I'm sitting there and remember she had another one called the Lucy Show, different incarnation. and she said and the script was terrible she said oh my god and Desi's not here to fix it so she called lunch and she said I went back to my office and I thought I gotta be strong I gotta be like Desi and I she went back and she told them she said I told them in no uncertain terms this is what you gotta fix this and you gotta fix that and I missed no words and she said kid that's when they put the S on the end of my last name.

50:15Lucille Bowles.

50:20She was great. She always sent me flowers on my birthday. Wow. And I got up one morning, and she had died on my birthday. Oh. And I got flowers that afternoon. Happy birthday, kid. Oh, man. Wow. Now, this business is so full of rejection. And I read somewhere where you never took rejection personally. Can you talk about how you handled adversity in that business? Well, because kids today fall apart. And I can't remember what I was auditioning for. It might have been a commercial or something. This was before I got on Gary's show and all of that. So I was just starting out. And it was kind of narrowed down to between me and another girl.

51:15I thought I had it. But I didn't. She got it. I don't know where this came from. But I thought, it's her turn. It's just, yeah. It's not my turn. My turn will come. It's her turn. And so when I get letters or calls from people who say, how do you handle it? Just say, okay, wasn't my turn yet. Right. And I was never, okay. Yeah. It was for her. And that didn't come from your upbringing or anything? Oh, no. No, no, no. My grandmother would have had her killed.

52:01Oh my gosh Now how did you Handle being a mom During all of this fame We were on a school schedule In other words A lot of the crew From the Gary Moore show came out So we were a well-oiled machine I, like on Mondays, I would take the kids to school. Okay. And then I'd go to work. Okay. And we would be finished in time on a Monday for me to come and pick the kids up. It's a perfect job. So what was Carol Burnett, the mom, like? What was it like when Carol Burnett showed up in the pickup line?

52:46Were you Carol Burnett in their lives or were you mom? I was mom. Yeah. I was mom, yeah. How did you manage that balance? I mean, you— It was difficult. Yeah. Yeah, it was difficult. And then Carrie, my darling Carrie, got into drugs as a teenager. And it took a lot. But we—it was three rehabs and family sessions. Yeah. And the last rehab we sent her to, she was so angry with me. I mean, and I said, I have to love her enough to let her hate me. And we did. And she also was into singing and music and all of that. And the last rehab we sent her to, she had this wonderful doctor. He was young. And she was ranting.

53:43She told me this later. She said, I was ranting and raving. And I said, I want to be Janis Joplin. And he said, well, she's dead. That's not funny, but that's funny. And she said, Mom, that really hit me. Wow. So she sobered up when she was 17. She became an actress on Fame. She was on Fame. On Fame. She had a regular role on Fame. I did three things with her. I was a guest on Fame twice. And then we did a movie, television movie together. How was that working? And she started writing. And she was in a movie called Tokyo Pop, which is now like a little cult film. And she was like 24, 25 and got sensational reviews.

54:38Okay. And Marlon Brando called her. Wow. He saw her in the movie. He said, I'd like to talk to you about a project. She turned him down. Why? I became Mama Rose. I went, are you crazy? Marla Brando? She's a mom. I did a movie. Now I want to write. Okay. I want to concentrate on my music. She wasn't after being famous. Right. Or anything. And we wrote a Broadway show together, and it went to Broadway. Hal Prince directed it. And we were doing great. She was doing great, and then she got sick. Yeah. Yeah. But, boy, we went through it. Yeah. But you got her on a straight and narrow, you know? It's like, I love that.

55:24It's like you didn't need her to be happy with you. Right. You needed her to be well. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Well, it's true. You have to love them enough to let them hate you. That's right. And that's hard. That is. That's the hardest part of parenting. And I think it's a thing that people don't understand. It's like when you say you want to be a mother, it's like, well, You better not want a friend. Well, I had no examples. I had no good examples. Yeah. But now so many women have you as the example. Well, you've been paying it forward a lot. I mean, you've had a lot of angels on your shoulder.

56:06Sure did. But you have been an angel for a lot of people. Did you ever pay that$1 ,000? Five years to the day. Wow.

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1:00:20So you're still at it. Yeah. I'm very happy. I had a great time recently doing Better Call Saul. Oh, yeah. I just love Bob and Kirk. How do you feel about working every day now? I don't want to work every day. Yeah, what's the schedule like? I mean, because Paul Morial, I fell in love with the first season. I've saved it up season two for our next travel. It's off the wall. Yeah, yeah. Well, but I'm not on every day. I know, but. I have it actually where I work three days a week. Okay. That's still a lot. I know more than three in a row. Yeah, really. I mean, you know, that's where I want, that's where I'm trying to be now.

1:01:11Just say that's what I want. Yeah. Let's manifest it. Exactly. How does it feel being on the show? All of a sudden now, I'm 92 years old, I have new girlfriends. Yeah. When they called me a couple of years ago to do Palm Royale, I said, who's in it? and Abe Sylvia, who's the creator, said, Kristen Wiig, Allison Janney, Laura Dern, Rick. I said, stop. I'm in it. I don't care what you want me to do. He said, well, the first few episodes, you're in a coma. I said, that's even better.

1:01:49So I just started watching Palm Royale. Oh, my God. You do so much in a coma, though. But this is what I wanted to— Because whenever they show you on there in a coma, I like start giggling. And I'm wondering, are you doing that to me or is it just me doing that? It was a good gig, I have to say. I'd get up at five in the morning. Get dressed. And lay back down. Get dressed. Go back. Get undressed. Get into pajamas and go back to bed. But you weren't sleep. You weren't ever sleeping. I didn't have a lot of lines. I didn't have a lot of lines. No, I didn't sleep. Yeah. But sometimes there were a couple of scenes when Kristen was doing stuff.

1:02:35And Allison, it was hard for me. Not to laugh. Not to laugh. Yeah. But now, we're buddies. Yeah. We're really good. Allison and I, we wordle. Oh, yeah. I wordle. Yeah, so do we. I love wordle. Every day. I do. Every day. Mm-hmm. I have to brag. Please do. Okay, yes. Mostly in two. You can do all of them, too. I get them. Not all of them. I get them done. I can solve all of them. But what are your starter letters? She's getting them in two. I know. It's good. We do different every day. Okay. So you pick the word. She's like, I solve all of them. No, Brian. I'll have Brian pick the word. Okay. And he'll say whatever.

1:03:14And then the letters come up. But we don't do the same word every day. Mm-hmm. Yeah. We have, I think, the record of getting it in one. Uh-huh. It's only an accident. Right, of course. Yeah. But we have gotten it seven times in one. Well, then that's not an accident. It's more that manifestation stuff going on, Kara. No, it was audio. Oh, yeah. Audio, bacon, clown, crown. You remember. Stash, towel, and talon. So this is my question. How do you stay so sharp at 92? Because you, I'm just sitting here. I can't remember what I did yesterday. I can't either, but I don't know. But I remember when I was three.

1:04:07Well, maybe this is the time to do our listener question. Hi, Michelle and Craig. As a young woman starting her professional career in a traditionally male-dominated field, I have found it most intimidating to network and reach out to more established professionals. I sometimes get nervous that I am wasting someone's time, not making a good enough impression, or that I don't deserve to be in that space. I'm sure that you both have been in rooms where you were told you didn't belong. What advice do you have to overcoming that imposter syndrome feeling? Have you ever felt imposter syndrome? I wouldn't think so.

1:04:43Again, I was too stupid. You know, I never, again, I held, I would look at the movies. And I would see strong women. And like when I said I'm going to interview Joel McRae, I got that from watching Rosalind Russell. So, oh, you don't want to say get over it, but in a way, don't think so much of yourself. I'm not good at giving advice. I think you are. it's like you're making yourself happen that way. Think of somebody you admire who is a woman and pretend you're that woman maybe. Lots of times when I would do the show and I would do the Tarzaniel. Yeah. Or I would do Charo. who was, my body, I knew what I was doing, but the body reacts in a different way.

1:06:01It doesn't know you're acting in a funny way. You know, okay, I'll do the charts a bit, but somehow your body reacts differently. And I don't know, maybe, as I say, pretend you're somebody else. And it's much better today. It's not all better, but it's much better today. And I think she just got to, I can't say don't worry so much because that's not good advice. I don't know what good advice would be. No, but I think that, you know, and it's interesting that because the things that run through my head that allow me not to focus so hard on this feeling of how am I good enough? How am I showing up?

1:06:57Sort of giving my power to somebody else. Right. There is a generational component because I hear what you're saying would be the same thing that my mother would say. I mean, it's the same, which is interesting that women of an older generation who have faced much more discrimination, have had to overcome hurdles. The society was set up in a totally different way. But that there is a practicality. It's almost like no one's going to fix your problems for you but you. And so all of the work of feeling good enough never, ever really comes from the outside in. And if that's what you're waiting for, somebody to give you permission to feel good about yourself, It doesn't, confidence, acceptance, it doesn't work that way.

1:07:58You know, it's not somebody else's responsibility to make you feel good. And nobody's really thinking about you like that, you know? So - Yeah, it's not coming from them. Yeah, it's not coming from them. The work starts from inside, like an improv, like acting. Your brain is in charge. And if you wake up in the morning and say, I decide to have a good day. Like I decide to feel good about yourself. That's the beginning. That's the manifestation. It starts from within. And your body will follow and life will tend to follow. So my advice, yes, you could feel imposter syndrome, but I know that I was raised to believe that I was in charge of how I felt about myself.

1:08:47In fact, we would get in trouble in our household. Wow. But we showed up worried about what somebody else was thinking. Outside of the house. Outside of the house. Yeah, outside of the house. Yeah, I'd agree. Our mom's saying was, you know, you don't go outside of your home to be liked. You know, come home, we like you here. You know, this is where love is. You know, no one owes you that out in the world. No one owes you acceptance. I think we had the luxury of having that at home. And I think when you have that at home, you're starting with a foundation of, yeah, that person called me a name.

1:09:33They called me a jerk. But I know how the table that matters, how they feel about me. And I choose to believe what I hear from my mother and the people who love me. Couldn't I have been in your family? You could have been. Yeah, you loved it. But you were. You were there every week. I mean, really. You could have really been there, but we would have been watching you. But let me just add a bit on what Mish was saying, because the validation part, I've never felt like I needed validation outside of our home. Because mom used to say this. She's like, if you prepare for whatever you want, then you've done your best.

1:10:23That's all you can ask of yourself. Like you said, it wasn't your turn. And I just wrote that down to your point. Not your turn then. If you did your best and didn't get it, it's not your turn. Don't mope about it. Go to the next one. And it seems simplistic, but it's carried me through a lot of tough times when people have not viewed me as where I think I should be viewed. And I was like, well, that's tough. You're missing out. And it's really helped. It's helped me in sports, but it's helped me in life more. I mean, we came up in that kind of parenting. And I think the kind of overcorrection from the generation that felt the, well, that wasn't quite enough.

1:11:16I think we've gone to the other extreme. When I first had the kids and they were old enough to understand what I was doing, what her father was doing. I don't know if you remember the actress Loretta Young. Very beautiful and perfect. Yes. I wanted to be perfect. They never saw me angry. They never saw me cry. I wouldn't, I didn't, because I was raised, oh, my grandmother, the mother would go at it like that. It was a crate over money and liquor. You just wanted to be the opposite. And I would sit in the corner and draw and zone out because they were angry a lot and yelling a lot. So I went too far the other way so that I was trying to be perfect for them.

1:12:15And so when they got angry or they got, well, then we're not perfect. So that was not a good thing for me to do. I wasn't, those first few years, I don't think I was human to them. I was, mom, mom's got to show, mom's doing this, mom's doing that. even though I take them to a school, good, all of that. But I had that Loretta Young syndrome that I call it, and it's wrong. It was wrong. I got out of it eventually, but I had to learn my way because I never had that example. We're always trying to fix the thing that we think was broken in our childhood. Yeah, and it's up to us. Yeah, yeah. But I love what you said.

1:13:05It was just perfect. Perfect. And as far as we're concerned, you're in our family. I feel that way. Carol, you really, I mean, just sitting here and talking about that path. I mean, I don't think that, well, you must hear this all the time. But, you know, we had a happy, beautiful family, right? But your talent, your gifts, the structure of your show, how you showed up in it, like Craig said, you know, your humanity before the show, your honesty throughout your career. I mean, that kind of stuff has been as impactful to my development as my parents, right? Because that's the role modeling. You know, you see a smart woman, because what is clear through this is that you've always been that woman.

1:14:10Smart, courageous, bold, and you just brought that to your show. and that came into our living rooms as part of an important experience of seeing what you could be. You're going to make me cry. Oh, thank you. I'm so touched and moved. You mean the world to us. Thank you. And thank you. You know what I want to do? What? I want to sing. It's so nice. Just to have this time together. We had this time together. I love it. Just to have a laugh or sing a song. Seems we just get started. And before you know it, comes the time we have to say so long. All these youngsters have no idea what we're doing Oh, thank you I've got chills This has been absolutely wonderful We love you Thank you Thank you for being here Thank you for being in my life I catch you

1:15:40Thank you.