'The Odyssey' IMAX Reactions & Emmy Noms: Most and Least Deserved with Awards Editor Marcus Jones

11:54Ryan Lattanzio:I need to catch up. Well, I don't need to catch up with this. Are you a fan? No, I am decidedly not a fan. I have not enjoyed a single movie he has directed. So I don't know how that's going to start now. Wet Hot American Summer is a cult favorite among people in my age group. It's from 2001. It has a lot of great actors that we love. Paul Rudd, Amy Poehler, who actually reunited for a movie that he did called They Came Together, which, asterisk, I actually, I do think that one's kind of funny. But Wet Hot American Summer is excruciating to me. and the kind of movie that I was forced with friend groups.

12:29Ryan Lattanzio:They would want to watch it and rewatch it. And I would sit in the room in stoic silence, kind of similar to Napoleon Dynamite. People were into that. And I found that movie extremely painful.

12:39Anne Thompson:No, no, it's not good.

12:41Ryan Lattanzio:All right.

12:43Anne Thompson:So speaking of Amy Poehler, I happen to listen to, I have to say her podcast. It's very good. She gets these major people on there. And so she did one with Matt Damon that was really good, partly because she's in the same world as these people. So she's able to say, hey, we used to do Saturday Night Live together or, hey, we did this movie together back in 20 years ago. You know, they know that she inhabits their world and that brings a certain comfort to it. And Matt Damon was very good. To reiterate what I was saying earlier, I think he could win Best Actor. He's been nominated many times. he is not one he is overdue and he's really good in the movie and he has that combination of heroism and extreme hubris obviously we know that that's part of what happens with Odysseus is that he gets into trouble because he makes some big mistakes we have to see digger but everything

13:48Ryan Lattanzio:you just said also applies to Tom Cruise, who sight unseen seems like, I mean, he's going to be pushed for best actor for all the same reasons that he's overdue. He hasn't won, though he did win a governor's award, but that doesn't necessarily, that doesn't exclude you from still being a candidate, an overdue candidate for a legitimate award. And then Focus features just bought this movie Elsinore with Andrew Scott as a playwright dying of AIDS, which has best actor written all over it again we need to see that movie last night i mean netflix is going to push

14:21Anne Thompson:uh la bola negra and the adventure tarantino sequel with brad pitt um those are the big two

14:29Ryan Lattanzio:i don't see la bola negra having the best actor candidate but there are a number of supporting it's an ensemble movie i think every mostly it's supporting actors that really shine in that one

14:39Anne Thompson:from what i hear i'm gonna see it next week i'm excited i'm gonna see it in the theater Yes. I was told that you had promised to see it. I did.

14:47Ryan Lattanzio:And they've set one up. All right. My Weekend Recommend, I'm going to recommend a repertory release this week that's very in my wheelhouse, which is a movie called The Hole from 1998, directed by Tsai Ming Liang, the Taiwanese filmmaker. It never got a theatrical release that year. And a new 35 millimeter prints of the movie in its complete form are playing at Lincoln Center this weekend in New York. And it's a weirdly beautiful, delightful romance about two people who are neighbors during an apocalyptic storm. And one of them, a hole forms in his apartment and they use it to communicate and annoy each other.

15:27Ryan Lattanzio:In it are splashed all these kind of weird musical interludes that are a nod to 1950s style of musicals. It's a really lovely

15:35Anne Thompson:movie uh my recommend is a television recommend it's the season two of the agency now many of you uh savance know that that one was based on le bureau a very popular french series but it was adapted by the very good writers the butterworth brothers it's on paramount plus and it boasts a really great cast led by michael fassbender jody turner smith richard gear jeffrey wright it's smart and exciting and you don't know what's going to happen next and it's dangerous all the good stuff that you all the intrigue that you would hope for i know i gotta watch that one okay please welcome our special guest for our screen talk emmy edition uh the emmys were announced that we're taping this on Thursday.

16:27Anne Thompson:So they were announced yesterday, it feels like an eon ago. So, so all the snubs and surprises stories have run. It's hilarious. Every single publication does snubs and surprises. So we're not going to do that. We're just going to evaluate, you know, why certain things happened, why certain things didn't happen, what we think was really fabulous, what we think sucks, You know, we're going to be opinionated and spotty. We're not going to go over everything. And Marcus is going to help us out.

17:04Hi, guys. Happy to be here, even though I caught that shade from last week. What was our shade? What shade did you catch? Just to correct the record, I said obsession. Indie Never Ready is a could, not a should.

17:21Ryan Lattanzio:I didn't say you thought should, but even just a could, you know, that does that. All it takes is a grain of sand.

17:28Anne Thompson:Marcus, at least we're reading you, darling. I appreciate it. We can talk about it much later in the year. We don't have to worry about that right now. Okay. So, so welcome, welcome, welcome. My first question for you is about HBO. They cleaned up this year as they usually do. I think it's 122 nominations, including HBO Max. It's somewhere around that range, yeah. Yeah. And did you expect The Pit to do this well? It got 25 nominations and 13 acting nominations, and two of the nominees submitted themselves as guest stars. I know. I think that yes, in the sense that The Pit has so much potential for nominations.

18:14I always point to Best Supporting Actress alone, There's seven nominee slots. They could easily fill that with the female cast on that show. But I do think that it landed somewhere in the middle of voters not really caring about the pit season two as much and them going gaga for it. For example, Best Supporting Actress, there's four stars. So we knew Catherine Lanasa.

18:38Anne Thompson:She won last time. Yes, and was amazing in season two. I think she's the best part of it. She has that abortion scene, yeah. And then Sepere Moafi, she was the new Doctor, and so you could expect sort of a fresh face being nominated. But the additional two actresses were Taylor Dearden, who has the sister that she takes care of. That actress is Tal Anderson, who's nominated in Guest Actress. The blonde Doctor with the glasses. Oh, I know. Yeah. And then Fiona Doreef, who is the older sort of brunette doctor who was just looking for love in season two. But also in terms of the self submission, she was sort of the doctor working with Brittany Allen's character.

19:28Brittany Allen played a mother who had terminal cancer. And Fiona Doreef's doctor was sort of guiding her through. Brittany Allen, if you watch the season. She was amazing. That is one of the patients. She was heartbreaking. And so it is surprising that that's the main one. People talk about HBO not submitting. But a lot of those decisions happen even before audiences have seen the show. And so a lot of times there will be decisions that don't quite make sense, but it's because the only person deciding it is like the one or two HBO publicists that saw the season beforehand.

20:08Anne Thompson:Is the pit the one to beat? So yes, yes. Because ultimately, its main competition is Pluribus. Pluribus is the biggest new drama of the season. That is Apple TV's main show. And we've been in this situation before. Last year, the drama race was Severance season two an apple show versus the pit and uh the pit sort of premiered later in the season and built up so much momentum that it ended up beating severance even though severance won um lead actress in a drama series and supporting actor in a drama series and so i don't think season two of the pit is as strong it's not quite a sophomore slump but it was more of a noah wiley show right Right.

20:57And so I think Noah Wiley, definitely, I can't see anyone else winning lead actor in a drama. I can't see anyone else besides Catherine Lanasa winning supporting actress in a drama. I think supporting actor in a drama series is Ify. There's Patrick Ball, who's the young doctor, who's an addict.

21:16Anne Thompson:I don't see him winning. I think it's Jaron Howell. He's like the country doctor, one of the interns that comes in season one. and then there's sean haddesey who is he could win he could win guest actor um but then he bumped himself up into the supporting actor in a drama series race and i think he's great he's one of my favorite people on the show but i don't know if he had as much to do in season two he has a drama he has a narrative behind him as a breakout right like his career has been saved you know yeah but But remember, they are all nominated against people like Billy Crudup, who keeps winning for his performance on The Morning Show.

21:59If anyone's going to win an Emmy for The Morning Show, it is Billy Crudup for some reason. Even though that show, what, it's in season four, maybe? And it's only been nominated for Outstanding Drama Series overall once. And the other big one is Tom Pelfrey, who was the criminal on TASC. But TASC didn't get nominated for Drama Series.

22:21Ryan Lattanzio:I have a question about HBO and drama series. What the hell happened with industry being completely blanked even after? And look, it's been blanked in years before, but HBO repositioned it as a winter release, did a first time FYC event for the fourth season, a season that really gave its all. It's one of the most acclaimed and beloved series currently going. Did not enough people watch it? Does it skew too young? And you just mentioned Task, which also underperformed. first of all i didn't even realize that that was for this year's emmys on some level is this the mayor of east town of this year of like do you remember it was like during pandemic that show just for years and it is and now those shows are are dovetailing they're interconnected now

23:03Anne Thompson:jim nicholson is coming back so tell us about industry yeah so i mean overall i think when i was making my predictions i was betting that hbo would really fill up the drama series category and what ended up happening is that Apple overperformed. And so HBO and Apple both have three dramas each in Outstanding Drama Series. I think with industry in particular, it's on season four. And so Emmy voters are, they can catch up if it's one season that they have to watch. They don't catch up as much if the show is really in super deep. I think you saw an anomaly with the Emmys after the strikes. And that's where the morning show gets nominated.

23:51Gilded Age gets nominated. Slow Horses finally makes it into the race because all the new shows didn't go into production. And so those were kind of, there was more time.

24:02Anne Thompson:So people could catch up with the old ones. I did that with Slow Horses myself. Exactly. And now Slow Horses got nominated again. It had a slower year last year, like Jack Loden didn't get nominated in Supporting Actor in Off Year. But he did this time. But yeah, so I think that industry is just kind of too far into it. It's really a show that is celebrated in the UK more star Marisa Abela has won a BAFTA for her performance in season three. And so in terms of awareness, it's still kind of crossing the pond and moving further and further west. That FYC event is like the first time the cast was all together in LA, like the entire run of the show.

24:44Because it started like way deep into the pandemic. Like no one was outside when industry premiered.

24:50Anne Thompson:That's interesting. So HBO also landed nine noms for my favorite, A Night of the Seven Kingdoms. You know I love that show. Right. And this is kind of crazy because it is the third Game of Thrones series to be nominated in this category. But I think you could anticipate it because one, like, it's already having that Game of Thrones brand is sort of this blockbuster show. And then when people actually got to watch it, it was a different version of the series. The episodes were shorter. It was more comedic. It had a little bit of a comedic lean. And so it is kind of the best version of a franchise pick where, although you get that Game of Thrones feel, it's not like you're watching the same show over and over again.

25:38Like they did change it enough for people to buy into it. Though I'm a little surprised that some of the stars, like the actors who played Duncan Egg, the like super tall knight and the bald little boy.

25:51Anne Thompson:He's such a hunk. They were kind of right on the bubble. But I think Peter Claffey is the big knight. And there was a shot in lead actor in a drama series because I think Sterling K. Brown was a sherbet for Paradise. Noah Wiley was a sherbet for The Pit. Mark Ruffalo was a sherbet for Task. But the person who got in was the star of The Diplomat, the guy that you like, Rufus Sewell. I love him. And he deserves to get in. So he was kind of like the fifth pick. He deserves. He carried that show. Yeah. People were thinking the Seven Kingdoms guy, or they were thinking Billy Bob Thornton for Landman.

26:34Anne Thompson:Okay, let's do that. Let's do it. Ryan and I were talking about this. What is this about? Why is Taylor Sheridan constantly shut out? You and I talked about this too. We thought Landman, at least they would put him in.

26:50Ryan Lattanzio:Or Michelle Pfeiffer, which, you know, they gave it to her and Margot, who's got money troubles. Thank God.

26:54Anne Thompson:But that was supporting. Yeah.

26:56Ryan Lattanzio:Yeah. Yeah.

26:57Anne Thompson:Oh, and by the way. They blanked on the Madison. I loved the Madison. And my slow horse anti-bias is showing the four factor I was thinking of in drama series is Gary Oldman. There you go. Gary Oldman was the show. But anyways, back to Billy Bob Thorne. Ultimately, I don't think it is a Taylor Sheridan problem. I think when you read about it in the press, a lot of people are being like, oh, people feel a way about this guy. I like joking that he's a Paramount Plus problem. Yeah, I like joking that he's like white Tyler Perry. I don't think that it's anything political, although we've seen that before, like Colbert won for Variety Series after his show got canceled.

27:38So there is a little bit of anti-Paramount sentiment in the Television Academy. But ultimately, I just don't think they watch paramount plus period there isn't any talking about the actual academy voters these are hugely

27:53Ryan Lattanzio:popular human beings in the outside of the industry they all watch these shows television academy is pretty huge too it's 24 000 voters i believe and but they're just not watching paramount plus you're not seeing any of the shows the closest they've gotten are the showtime shows like Yellow Jackets that have moved to Paramount+.

28:15Anne Thompson:So the agency will never have a chance? I mean, if we keep talking about it and they keep listening to us, then maybe, just maybe. But no, I mean, I think that you hear about all these really great performances in Landman, Yellowstone, they were nominated at the Actors Awards, formerly SAG. And so there are voters who are fans of these series, but I think Television Academy overall really just isn't watching Paramount+. I think the best it's been doing has been some of the craft categories. But it's weird, too, because Paramount as a whole does decently well. If you combine it with CBS, then you get a lot of the reality shows like Survivor.

29:03if you add in mtv you get drag race which is always like a big reality competition show that wins host and a competition program and so it's not every paramount brand necessarily comedy central another one south park made it in but paramount plus in particular it's just not very

29:24Anne Thompson:weird so apple tv as you said before did better they had like 89 nominations including my favorite Vince Galligan's weird, very weird sci-fi series Pluribus. Ryan, did you watch this one?

29:39Ryan Lattanzio:Of course, yes. I watched the entire show on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day. You're weird.

29:45Anne Thompson:Talk about weird.

29:45Ryan Lattanzio:In one sitting. No, I did the same thing.

29:47Anne Thompson:I love this show, though. Maria Sehorne is amazing in it. Yeah. So I think it is, well, I'd say sort of the big difference between HBO and Apple is obviously HBO got more nominations overall. But I think the biggest thing we care about after Emmy nominations are like, what are the new shows that the Television Academy are now watching? And that's where Apple is really shining. So we're going to talk about Widow's Bay and comedy later. But with Pluribus, that is Apple's biggest show ever. So when it came out last winter, it surpassed Severance season two as like their most watched show on the platform.

30:25Wow. And so it doesn't because of the nature of the plot, it's sort of like Last Woman on Earth a little bit. There's not a lot of potential for people to get acting noms, though two other actors besides Ray Sehorne.

30:40Anne Thompson:Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, Vince Gillian obviously won a lot of Emmys through creating Breaking Bad, but hasn't really won a personal Emmy. And then Ray Sehorne, it took her a while to get nominated for Better Call Saul, which is the sort of show in which she really came into the fold with Vince Gillian.

31:05Ryan Lattanzio:And better than Breaking Bad, I will add. um but that show the craziest part is like probably nominated for 60 or 70 emmys didn't win a single one better call Saul didn't win a single emmy which is crazy and so that's why Ray C. Horn she's in lead actress in a drama series against Zendaya who has won for both seasons of euphoria but she really has a good shot because I think there's been a sentiment it for a decade at this point that she deserves an Emmy. And now not only is she back with a great role, but it's a great role on Apple's most popular show. I don't see Zendaya taking the wind out of her sails.

31:50Ryan Lattanzio:I mean, that was a terrible season of Euphoria. And I think everyone can agree on that. I'm rooting for Seahorn. Yeah. I don't think that you win in a bad, out of a bad season of television. Though I will say other notable parts.

32:02Anne Thompson:Zendaya is great in Euphoria. I'm not saying she's not good but i'm rooting for ce what sehorne did as a solo performer was extraordinary she carried that whole thing here is the curveball though the other big person who is nominated in the category is carrie russell for the diplomat carrie russell iconic tv actress tv specifically has never won an emmy and she did just beat ray sehorne in lead actress in a drama at the actor awards so there is also hope for kerry russell i mean ray severn's been winning awards for what

32:38Ryan Lattanzio:like seven months now so that people they may want to mix it up which one globes i just i don't know indy wire honors it feels like she's it feels like she's been winning a lot and i was she was

32:51Anne Thompson:she made a point of saying to me that it was pretty unusual for a woman like her to be in the running for such these kinds of awards in her 50s yeah i did not realize she was in her 50s at all but by the way again crazy other person nominated in the category carrie coon has never won an emmy despite all her amazing work in television she'll get there so i mean i do think racy horn will win i do not think it will be easy also shout out to chase infinity she didn't get that oscar nomination but she is pretty much the biggest nomination that the testament's got i don't know if you

33:26Ryan Lattanzio:guys are a handmaid's tale and no i stopped watching that after season two and it just kind

33:31Anne Thompson:of kept going i know i stopped as well i gave i watched it for a few seasons so um netflix had a kind of uh relatively well 11 111 nominations feels weak though right it did they disappoint i i think so because ultimately they touch every aspect of television they have live variety specials they have pre-recorded variety specials they have reality competition shows in addition to comedy drama and limited I will say that it does feel like they have still kept a hold of the limited series category in particular I think beef season two probably over performed although So it is a huge snub. And I actually literally mean snub and Kaylee Spaney.

34:24That surprised me. Because she was very good. But they still made it into that category because Eugene Yoon from Minari.

34:33Ryan Lattanzio:Bad show. Bad season. Terrible, terrible season of beef.

34:36Anne Thompson:I bailed on it. Very bad. Sure. Okay. I mean, everyone can have it. Every single person was unpleasant. But Television Academy disagrees. a shout out to fellow IndieWire's honoree Charles Melton but um yes so the other one that I was going to bring up was The Beast in Me which not great either I loved The Beast in Me shut up Ryan you ignorant slut um yeah no I think that that one could say overperformed a little bit I was shocked that Jason Bateman got nominated for his performance in Black Rabbit. I feel like a lot of the Netflix limited series this year, people were just super apathetic about.

35:21Like, no one really cared. Even Beef Season 2, which did get a bunch of nominations, its viewership went down, like, steeply. And Lord of the Flies was from the co-creator of Adolescence. That didn't really

35:38Anne Thompson:go anywhere with me's i'm sure that that was a case of everyone knowing the story knowing it's a depressing and disturbing and violent we've done all that we've done lord of the flies we don't need to do it again even if he did it really well which we got rave reviews for that and we did

35:54Ryan Lattanzio:it with yellow jackets i would argue yeah yeah but i'd say my quick overview of limited series is i thought love story was going to overperform it underperformed dtfst louis really overperformed and uh added in addition to because they're all in supporting but it's sort of like a three-hander between david harbour jason bateman linda cartellini and then because it's sort of a mystery the detectives are richard jenkins and um joy sunday who she's the siren from wednesday so she's one of the she's with richard jenkins on dtfst louis i haven't watched that show obviously you guys if you haven't watched DTF St.

36:36Louis get into it Ryan no I've seen it no it's a

36:40Ryan Lattanzio:cool show it's weird it's a weird show and I can't believe that they pulled it off you mentioned love story I'm so pleased that Paul Anthony Kelly as John F. Kennedy Jr. did not get a nomination that is one of the worst performances on television of the year he's a very beautiful man He's a hunk. He's old enough that if he were better, he would have been more successful by now as an actor. I think that was impossible shoes to fill. And he did an adequate job. But I digress.

37:12Anne Thompson:The woman who played Carolyn was fantastic.

37:14Ryan Lattanzio:Dree Hemingway, who played Daryl Hannah, she was atrocious. In a really terrible depiction of that actress. Anyway, I'm getting us I'm getting us off the off the top.

37:24Anne Thompson:All right. So, Ryan, take off on the on the comedy side.

37:27Ryan Lattanzio:The most nominated comedy of the year and off of what was a truly terrific last season was season five of Hacks, which throughout its run dating back to 2021 has received a total of 86 Emmy nominations and 12 wins. Jean Smart has won lead actress every year she's been nominated, rivaling someone like Julia Louis-Dreyfus, who didn't win everyone she was nominated for for Veep, but she did win six consecutive Emmys in this category. Jean Smart's going to win again this year, right, Marcus? Yes, and I like what you were saying. So important distinction with Jean Smart, if she wins, she wouldn't break Julia Louis-Dreyfus' all-time winning record in this category.

38:07what would happen is across all three main categories she would be the first actress to win for every season she was on the show and so this is the fifth season of hacks she's won four emmys and lead actress in the comedy series so far this would uh put her over the edge and become the first actress it could happen with zendaya as well if she wins first season three of euphoria but i don't think that is going to happen as much as Gene Smart winning. And are we going to get into the comeback of it all?

38:42Ryan Lattanzio:Yeah, exactly. I am really so rooting for Lisa Kudrow, who has been nominated for all three seasons of The Comeback over the last couple of decades, even longer than that, actually. Again, The Comeback, the third season underperformed predictably again this year at the Emmys, despite, I think, really smart writing about how AI is impacting television, impacting actors impacting tv writers and so you would think that the tv academy might resonate with this more uh like i said kudra has been nominated for every season but never won does she have a shot here so going into nominations i thought she would have more of a shot but comeback really underperforming i think that it's gene smarts uh like emmy um but But I personally would have given one of Julia Louis-Dreyfus's Emmys for Veep to Lisa Kudrow for the comeback season two.

39:41I think season two ended so perfectly. And I feel like a lot of fans of the show agree that although the comeback season three ended up being good, I don't know if it fully answered the question of why bring this show back.

39:57Ryan Lattanzio:No, I agree. And season two did end with the character winning an Emmy, Joan Crawford style, while in the hospital and not at the ceremony. Yeah. But it feels so perfect for Valerie Chariot to just never end up winning the Emmy. I think it's true to the character if Lisa Kudrow wouldn't win. And Lisa Kudrow has an Emmy. She just doesn't have an Emmy for this, which I believe is her best performance. Elsewhere on the comedy front, Apple TV, another show of theirs that really took off this year was Widow's Bay. It's like everyone in my life has a gun to my head to get me to watch that show. And I finally, I am watching it.

40:36Ryan Lattanzio:I'm really enjoying it. But it has become this digital water cooler hit for the streamer. 19 overall nominations, including not just the primetime Emmys. Will the sizable cult fandom around this series translate into Emmy wins? Also, there's Matthew Rhys in here. So you have Matthew Rhys and Keri Russell. TV power couple, couple in real life, both nominated again. Right. I would be scared if I was running Hacks Awards campaign because this is what happened last year with The Pit and Severance. Like I said, The Pit sort of came in late in the season and just completely took over and had this crazy momentum.

41:16And the same is the case with Widow's Bay. I think people were anticipating it because going into the week of Emmys voting, I think if you asked sort of your average voter, like, what's a show I missed that I need to catch up on? People would have probably said, like, oh, I'm watching Widow's Bay right now because it was just premiering. Like, you need to get on that. And so not only did we see the show get in, Matthew Rhys get in, it was sort of on the bubble whether or not Cato Flynn, who's like the discovery of the show, gets in. She got nominated in Supporting Actress. Even Dale Dickey, who is another star of the show, famous character actress, got in unexpectedly.

41:58unexpectedly, Steven Root, who really kind of struggled getting nominated in supporting actor in a comedy series when he was on Barry, which I'd say was like his last really big role. And so there's just like this really crazy momentum about this show that came so late into the game that technically the last three episodes of season one are not even eligible.

42:25Ryan Lattanzio:Oh, wow.

42:26Anne Thompson:I did not realize that. that's everybody is talking about it it's it is the water cooler uh but i series but marco's um got money troubles did get in which is good i'm glad that happened uh that was no it's great to

42:39Ryan Lattanzio:see these fresh series making their way in my eyes glaze over when i see the bear habit elementary

42:45Anne Thompson:again though the bear only got one nomination i know a debris is it right yeah and i think it's a little bit of like if there's one episode of the bear that people watched from season four it was her episode worms that she co-wrote with uh lionel boyce who's been nominated on the show before i think he plays a character named marcus uh if i'm not mistaken uh and it was directed by janixa bravo a director i really love i think that was the episode having to do with plating hair right right daniel devweiler's in it um but also and i said this uh when i wrote about zendaya and coleman domingo and chase infinity too um because those their shows underperformed as well of course zendaya coleman it's euphoria coleman domingo is also on four seasons which didn't get a lot of nominations the netflix series um chase is on testament the thing is like even if you are not watching their shows they are still quite top of mind for everyone because it's not like their campaign has ever stopped like coleman domingo has just been on one long awards campaign for like the last three or four years whether it's sing sing or rustin or this show or that show zendaya has what five films this year and like they're just so ever present you know disclosure Yeah.

44:17And I, Debra, she's, she isn't working as much, but she's a Chanel ambassador and everything. And so if you open Instagram, like, oftentimes, they'll be on my explore page. Like, I do think there's this element of ubiquity, especially them, not only being so present in the entertainment industry, and amazing performers, we shouldn't take it away from them. And Coleman, Zendaya, Io have all won Emmys before. But they're also like, if I'm watching a red carpet special, that's who I'm looking for.

44:50Anne Thompson:Yeah. So here was my question, Marcus. What were the most egregious omissions in your view? Also, I would like you to explain why the bear was so weak. I think that it's just completely fallen out of favor. And well, no, that's not true, because also the Television Academy isn't as hard on the bear as critics or even the general public has been. the thing is like campaigning for emmys works differently long story short from march through when voting starts in june basically every night a different show has their fyc event where it's their one moment to state their case to emmy voters on why all these people should be nominated so for example if dtfst louis if you just watch the show like you would anticipate david harbour Jason Bateman, Linda Cardellini being nominated.

45:49But you wouldn't be so sure that Richard Jenkins and Joyce Sunday would be nominated, but they were there for the FYC event. And so they made that case. It was at the Television Academy Theater that they should be nominated. So I think that happens a lot. But with The Bear, they've never participated in that. The Bear does not do any Emmys campaigning. Their Emmy strategy is to use the new season to market the old season or campaign for the old season. And it's been super successful.

46:21Anne Thompson:But the new season isn't as good as the other season. Right. I'm plowing my way through it right now. I love these characters. I've been watching it religiously for every season, but I'm struggling a little bit. Yeah, it really petered out. But also in addition to IO, we should mention Jamie Lee Curtis has won an Emmy before for appearing as Carmi's mom on the series and rob reiner uh is has a posthumous nomination for his appearance on season four of the bear as a restaurant consultant and so a lot of people feel that he is probably the winner though it's kind of um an interesting category connor story also made it in there uh because he was delighted by that for saturday night live yeah yeah and he did a good job i mean he did yeah he's very good with accents yeah oh i wanted to say real quickly though while we're on the subject of comedy i think that widow's bay has a chance to beat hacks in series i think matthew reese is absolutely winning for comedy actor i don't think anyone's beating gene smart and lead actress i think supporting actor is a real toss-up um I think it might be Harrison Ford's year to win for shrinking he hasn't won an Emmy before um but I think a lot of people see the name Harrison Ford and they're like well of course Emmy voters are gonna vote for him but if you look at who actually wins Emmys I think the Television Academy really likes sort of establishing a new star.

47:59And so that's why with Supporting Actress, although Hannah Einbinder has just won for the first time for the previous season of Hacks, I think Cato Flynn from Widow's Bay really has a shot because this is her first project that people have watched and been like, oh my God, who is this actress? We need to know who she is. And so I think an Emmy would sort of really help her skyrocket into one of the top TV actresses to watch.

48:30Anne Thompson:Marcus, thank you. You've been wonderful. That was great. I learned a lot. I'm going to go fill out my Gold Derby ballot right now. Yes, it's always a joy. You know, I mean, I got to do something with the fact that I've had to watch all these shows. So thank you for indulging me. And thank you for filling in the holes that Ryan and I have not filled.

48:53Ryan Lattanzio:The holes for me of which are quite vast. So thank you. Yes. All right. Talk to you later. And I can always count on you to watch Slow Horses for me. And I so appreciate you for that.

49:05Anne Thompson:Give me the show. Give me those Brits anytime. Exactly. All right. See you later, guys. All right. See you later.

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