This Top Trump Aide Utterly Hates Him Now

0:00I know that the reports are now she hates Donald Trump. I'm sure she will be subpoenaed and I'm sure the Trump administration will respond in the way that they do, national security and executive privilege. The new Democratic Party begins on January 3rd. What happens then? How do you take on Hegseth? How do you take on Blanche? How do you take on RFK Jr.? How do you take on Donald Trump? We are going to see, especially after January 3rd, Donald Trump and the Trump administration go to war with the Democrats and with Congress. Trump is going to want to wage war with the Democrats, but most of the people he has had on his side to wage war are leaving.

0:43Michael. Joanna. Welcome to the 190th episode of Inside Trump's Head. What is going on inside that? Well, my favorite description of his hair is the bale of moldy hay that someone wrote in and suggested. Big day. Jensen Huang resigns. Susie Wiles has a big bash to say goodbye to the White House. And J.D. Vance and Marco Rubio aren't there. And neither is Stephen Miller. We have a list of the people who are there. Melania, well, what's happened to Imperia, her DEI initiative to support women? We'll be getting to the latest on that. And well, Mississippi, Mississippi has gone democratic. Amazing, amazing in this blue wave.

1:33And Alina Harbour Mildon, married to the 29-year-old, or is he actually 25? Is that better if he's 25? Who is an international businessman of mystery, some mystery, has lost her$50 million contract. Boo-hoo. Not entirely. She's kept the signing bonus and she's getting another sass. So she makes that with$15 million, not$50 million. So a lot to discuss. 15 million for doing no work. Well, you say that. She would have to have. Didn't she get someone pardoned for it? Yes. Allegedly. Well, I think that's the other point is that the 50 million she would have had to do no work for either. It's anyway.

2:16I long for it. I long for that. Anyway, we're here to do a lot of work going inside Trump's head. Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast if you haven't. We're independent media. That's why we can have Michael Wolff saying what he does about the current administration. Michael. Joanna. Where do we begin? Well, let's set the Jensen's stage. Okay, please do. So Donald Trump is told that Jensen Huang is having an affair with a Chinese spy. Now, this is Jensen Huang, his close ally, his close business ally, is the CEO of one of the largest companies in America, one of the companies most pertinent to the health of the United States economy, and a company at the center of myriad national security concerns involving China.

3:18OK. Donald Trump, the president of the United States, knows that the CEO of this company is having an affair with a Chinese spy. So he knows he has that information. He obviously knows the context. He obviously knows the stakes and he appears to do nothing about it. In fact, he actually denies that he has that information and now it has been established that he certainly did. On at least two separate occasions, he's been told about this. There is a report prepared by the State Department by Marco Rubio. So in writing that this man, Jensen Huang, as important as he is, is having an affair with a Chinese spy.

4:07And still, it very much appears that Donald Trump shrugs it off, does nothing, is unconcerned about it. Do we know that he didn't call Jensen? No, we don't. We don't know. This is only what we've been told. And as a matter of fact, and so to take this a step further, we can assume that Donald Trump, knowing everything that he knows about appreciating where NVIDIA is in importance to the United States and to his administration and to China, that he knows this. And so he would have had to have made a conscious decision of what to do with this information. Or he has dementia, which is always possible, and he somehow couldn't comprehend this.

5:04But let's assume that he could. And so what does he do with this pivotal piece of information that a Chinese spy is involved with the CEO of this important company? In other words, there has to be, by any logic, an agenda here. So Trump either says to himself, I got something on Jensen. Right. Ha ha ha. Jensen is my bitch because I know this, because I can ruin him at any time. Or he is saying, oh my God, if this comes out, it's going to bring the stock market down. It's going to bring my son's investments in AI down. So let's just hush it up. Let's essentially cover up. Well, and he doesn't always do that thing where he goes, you know what, it'll all be fine.

5:58It'll all be fine. Yeah. Again, that could be the dementia speaking. His refusal, and it could be that his just refusal to deal with things that are unpleasant. And it also could be, hey, I'm in a lot of deals with the Chinese right now and the Chinese are being, are cooperating and we're going to all make money together. So let's not rock the boat. Now, all of this is at a conspiratorial level. I mean, I think we're approaching this and at a self-interested level. In other words, we are at a major scandal inflection point. Well, right. There's also the aspect that Donald Trump, when confronted with things, not of this magnitude, but certainly, you know, when he's been asked about different things that foreign agencies have been doing to America, he goes, well, we all do it.

6:53We do it to them. We do it to them. So it's possible he doesn't think it's that serious. The thing that I find odd is that China is our adversary. In the first administration, Donald Trump was, you know, very anti-China, was going to show China up. And there was a lot of support in Wall Street, on Wall Street for that. Now he seems to be, A, personally enriched, but B, he's trying to buddy up to China. Well, I think first thing, that didn't go very well in the first administration. I mean, he went into the first administration and said, we're going to do the following things to China. And China emerged out of that as probably arguably and probably stronger than when it went in.

7:40So in a way, he has come, I think, to the understanding, you know, it's China. We're kind of stuck here. But I think it's larger than and has to be larger than him brushing this off and him saying, well, it's not that important. And he may also have thought, oh, I had lots of affairs. This isn't important. You think he had affairs with Chinese spies? Possibly. No, I think he had affairs with Eastern European spies, Russian spies probably. Okay, okay. Then a very interesting – I mean, that was the 80s and 90s when Trump was probably peak affair. And now we're moving into Chinese territory. No, I think it's good.

8:27And I hadn't thought of that. I don't know why I didn't think of that. But certainly the 1990s were a time of a whole range of people seeking influence in the United States, sending and having to do with the modeling industry, bringing women from Eastern Europe into the US. Right. Red Sparrow, as they were thought of. And Trump was certainly very much involved with this. Obviously, Trump married an Eastern European model. So this is - He really married two because Ivana was a quasi model. Okay, married two. So he is not unfamiliar with the possibilities here. Yeah, exactly. So all I'm saying is, is he thinking, oh, interesting.

9:23I'm not interested in Asian women. I mean, I'm more of a kind of Eastern European guy. Yeah, I know. You know, the locker room talk. But even, let's extend this because here is, we know the stakes here. The stakes are much higher. This is, NVIDIA is, as NVIDIA goes, so goes the country in a sense. Exactly. And the Chinese, and he has been, I mean, it's one of the sort of the pivotal things that has happened in diplomatically in the second administration. is his negotiations with the Chinese to let them have this otherwise proscribed technology. And it's mostly NVIDIA technology. And then we have the CEO having an affair with the Chinese spy.

10:11So many questions. First of all, was she a Chinese spy when she started having the affair with him? Or was she having the affair with him and the Chinese intelligence got to her and said, we know what's going on. We need you to give us information. We don't actually know that. We don't know what kind of information she has. We have not heard from her. We don't know. She's disappeared. Do we know? We don't know where she is. She's completely disappeared. She's disappeared and she may have disappeared forever. I was just going to say she may never reappear. I would not want to be Alice Wong right now.

10:41Poor woman. Whatever. But let's just talk about the timing of this, right? Because the New York Times gets the story. Before we go, just let me enter here. But we have another affair too. Well, we have another affair with someone that he worked with who, as far as we know, well, who he also worked with because he worked with Alice. So Alice was a customer. She worked for a company called Megaspeed, which already in my head I'm calling Megascam, which appears to have been a shell company. Megaspeed, we should call it. Oh, Megaspeed's very good, or Megascam, which was set up in Singapore. She was a TV journalist, a Chinese TV journalist, ends up running this company called Megaspeed in Singapore, which appears to have been a shell company circumventing trade rules to get chips into China.

11:32I mean, ironically, this means that actually Nvidia sales appear to have gone up throughout this entire process. But my question is about the timing of this. We've known, well, the intelligence services have known this affair has been going on for some time. We know that Trump still took Jensen Wang to China with him on his most recent visit. Indeed, they made a special trip to Alaska to pick him up because he wasn't initially on the guest list of people that Trump was taking. Well, I think that he seems to have been quite likely kept off the list. Exactly. Because other people within the administration knew that this is a problem.

12:14Right. And then Trump deliberately added him. But my question is timing, because this has come out. Jensen Wang's now had to resign. We're a week after the midterms. Was this designed for, was this initially planned by the leakers that Jensen would somehow resign either the week before the midterms? No, I don't think so. I think so. Because I mean, there's also before and after the midterms here. So one of the things that has happened to poor Mr. Wang is that his ultimate protection has suddenly had a grievous loss of power, which is Donald Trump. And so this story, among the many facets of this story, is a measure of Trump's loss of power.

13:10I mean, I think we have to see that in this light, that the board, NVIDIA's board probably would not have acted if Donald Trump were still the Donald Trump of yore, which is to say that it is almost an all-powerful presence within the technology industry. OK, that has radically shifted with the midterms. So I think that's one of the things that we're seeing is an appreciation in the technology community that times have changed. And I think that's going to expand out in everybody in the technology community, whether they are having affairs or not. and I suspect many are having affairs, are probably re-evaluating many, many aspects of their relationship to Washington and Trump and to power and to their own entitlement.

14:23So I think that's something we ought to very clearly keep our eyes on. So meaning what? That Nvidya would be anxious that they're going to be facing Elizabeth Warren and various Democratic committees as opposed to Republican committees? For one thing, yes. And I think the heavy hand of Donald Trump, which would have been previously on their side. Now matters much less. Much less. And so if you're on the NVIDIA board and you get a call from Donald Trump and he starts doing his, you know, Donald Trump gas bag. Gas baggery. You know, whatever you're going to go. That's going to be much less – that's not going to leave you as quaking in your booths as it might have been prior to the midterms.

15:11But the other thing, your point is the leak, this leak came out before the midterms. So all I'm asking is was it designed actually to further inflame Democratic or independent voters against Trump? Was it actually a political – Well, I don't know. It had to come from within the administration itself. I don't think there's any indication that this was, that this had somehow gotten outside of the administration. This was not an independent, you know, Jensen is, you know, this is not a just idle gossip thing. This was very much connected. It's not just that he was having an affair. People might have known that.

15:56But the fact that the American intelligence community had concluded that she was a Chinese spy. So that was the that was the the key piece of information which would have had to come from directly within the in the, you know, a fairly close the the the Trump administration. Unless you don't think it's possible it could have come from a Chinese source to disrupt the midterms. No, I think this is very bad for China in every way. I think they had a good thing going and understood that they had a good thing going with Donald Trump. And now they will have quite a less good thing going with a Democratic Congress.

16:42I do think, however, that there has always been a strong strain in the Trump coalition, let's call it, of anti-China. You know, Steve Bannon for one thing, and Steve continues to have lots of influence within the administration, is first and foremost an anti-China guy. And that is a thread that is, that even as Donald Trump has pulled it back and softened and made deals has certainly remained a theme throughout much of the Trump administration. They hate China. Do you think it might have come from an anti-AI faction? We saw that data centers and AI played a role in getting Democrats elected. Is it possible the leak came from there?

17:39Yes. I mean, I think that there is also within the Trump coalition, within the MAGA base, and a strong anti, generally anti-technology. Again, Steve Bannon, anti-technology and a strong anti-AI sentiment. So, yes. And we can see this other, in a broader sense, of splits developing, which we have seen within that Trump coalition. Right. No, there's clearly a civil war in the Republican Party going on right now. I would say civil war, I think, possibly over states. But yes, something is going on. But yesterday, Axios reported that Scott Besant, Treasury Secretary, and the Howard Lutnick Commerce Secretary had gotten into it because Commerce knew, the Commerce Department knew about this affair.

18:39And apparently the Treasury, Scott Besant, was saying, why on earth didn't you do something about this? Everybody is going to be protecting their ass at this point. Right. So Marco Rubio enshrined this in a report. He wants it in writing. I think everybody saw this as a problem, as an issue. Why wasn't it being dealt with? And the only reason it wasn't being dealt with is because Donald Trump wasn't dealing with it. That's number one. Number two, everybody hates Howard Lutnick. So if you can get into it with Howard Lutnick, I think you take that opportunity. So you said just a minute ago, and I bet our listeners and viewers picked up on this, poor Mr.

19:22Wang. Do you actually feel sorry for him? No, not in the least. Quite the opposite. It's a poor as in sane. Oh, you were being sarcastic and I missed the sarcasm. No, it's like, yay, Mr. Wang. Well, I wasn't sure if as a bro you were kind of sympathizing with him and just thinking if he'd only kept it in his pants, nothing. Why didn't he do this? I don't think I have ever sympathized with anyone in the technology industry. Okay, good to know. I'm glad that we got clear. I'm glad we can go there. Those are your friends. Well, I'm very curious. What I find really unlikely is that he only had two affairs.

20:01I think in the sort of schema of affairs, you either have one affair, one big affair, or you have many affairs. But I don't believe that you have two affairs. That seems to me weird math on this, on the affair math. So I suspect there will be more to come. So we're going to get more. We're going to get the drip, drip, drip. And maybe the board knows that, which was why they were like, dude, you have to fall on your sword right now. Otherwise, it's all going to come out. It's all going to come out anyway. I think there was that right now, hurry up and finish this off. Let's forget about the investigation.

20:40Let's forget about Wachtell Lipton being hired to look into this. Let's just get it out of here. And all of these people, remember the board, the board, very loyal to poor Jensen. Well, of course, they've made so much money from him. Yeah, everybody. So nobody wants this to happen. So so coming to the decision to make it happen is just, you know, we have no other alternative because it is going to get worse, not going to get better. Right. And the human drama of this is so fascinating. So girlfriend turned wife, they met when they were 17, or he was 17 and she was 19. Both his children and his son-in-law work for the company, as does the woman who he was the other or the second name to be surfaced in this.

21:31the human drama of it. You know, you come from humble beginnings, you marry your college sweetheart, you build the most important business in the world, and then you bring, it all comes crashing down around you. It couldn't be more interesting. Well, let's be precise. It comes crashing down because one of the people he's had an affair with is a spy, is a Chinese spy. Anything else is probably survivable. I mean, anything else, I mean, who knows? Even multiple affairs. If you're Jensen Wang, multiple affairs, I think, would be actually survivable. Although, goodness knows, CEOs have gone for much less, right?

22:16Think about Mark Hurd. Yeah, but Bill Gates, for instance, survived for many, many years. and the rumors were the rumors, et cetera, et cetera. But I think, again, this is about a high level of intrigue that we're on here. This is a Chinese spy. This is China. This is the pivotal, maybe the pivotal issue of our time. This is going to go down, hey, spy novelists, there it is. This is an intelligence failure that I think is going to resonate in all kinds of directions and achieve a place in history. And with it, the humiliation of Donald Trump, complete humiliation. He knew he did nothing about it.

23:15Well, I don't. Yes. I mean, I don't. Is it the humiliation? I think it's the humiliation of Donald Trump. Yes. Yes. Well, I think it is a loss of power of Donald Trump. Donald Trump is in a broader moment of a broader existential moment than just Jensen Wang. Right, because of the blue wave, of course. But there is something about the fact that his AI buddy, the guy that when they had that recent group at the White House, he put Jensen right in the middle, Jensen flexing his leather Tom Ford jacket. I think there is something humiliating for Trump here. You can take this even beyond humiliating.

23:54I think that there is potentially something profoundly corrupt here. Of course there is. So it is not just that somehow his bro turns out to be having an affair with a Chinese spy. It is at some level Donald Trump made the decision to accommodate this or cover this up or colluded. And he's been undone probably by his own people, Donald Trump, that the leak has come from within. As everybody keeps saying now, the call is coming from within the House. Yeah, no, and I think we ought to get onto that. And I think the Susie Wiles of it all may well be relevant here. Well, so I know you've been talking to people about Susie Wiles.

24:38Tell me what you've been hearing. I've heard simply that for the last number of months, and that may be longer than months, and I suspect it is longer than months, I suspect Susie Wiles has been on a slow burn, probably perhaps since day one of this administration. Well, and probably exacerbated by cancer. I'm sure that when you're facing cancer down, you have a reappraisal of what's important. Yeah. I mean, you wouldn't do that. You wouldn't do that. Cancer is bad, but Donald Trump is worse. Right. But I wonder if she thinks that Donald Trump actually somehow triggered her cancer. I don't want to even begin to question the science of that.

25:24Well, there is no science to it. You're always telling me that cancer has nothing to do with stress and I disagree. But I think the fact is she has been the one who has kept this White House in West Wing in a pretty stable condition, which is unlikely in Donald Trump's history. And she has more and more, and this is what's been described to me as people who know her rather well and have seen her, is that this has flipped over at some point. And somebody suggested to me that this was happened really over the summer of pure coming to terms with how much she hates him. Um, and, and that was, that increased and increased and increased and increased.

26:20And, um, and, and who would be surprised? So what does that mean? She's, is she, is she going to go up against him? No, I don't think she's going to go. I mean, I assume that she's a professional. I assume that she is someone who is, you know, and I'm saying this now, and I'm just reversing myself slightly because she worked for Ron DeSantis. She was a close advisor, a central advisor to Ron DeSantis. They had a falling out and she went after him. I mean, in some sense, Trump's reemergence in 2022 and then his attacks on Ron DeSantis, I mean, his obliteration of Ron DeSantis was led by Susie Wiles.

27:23So never say never. I don't I don't know. I know that that the reports are now she hates Donald Trump. Hates. So does she I mean, she's still on his payroll because he's moved her to his whatever is political things. And so she's still earning money from him. But is she going to get subpoenas to, you know, find out about all sorts of alleged incompetencies once they're going to be subpoenaed?

28:02privilege. And part of the next chapter is going to be a lot of resisting subpoenas, a lot of going to war with Congress. Of course, there'll be tons of, right, and I'm sure there'll be lots of accusations. Well, I'm sure the Democrats will be very active on the, okay, you're not going to cooperate, you're going to go to jail. So we know that Peter Navarro went to jail because he was in contempt. We know that Steve Bannon, your great friend, went to jail in contempt. Is Susie Wiles going to go? I think a lot of this will come down to, are people going to go to jail to protect Donald Trump? Would Susie Wiles do that?

28:36The people who went to jail, the Trump allies who went to jail, went to jail when Joe Biden was president. So it's a different situation when the sitting president is claiming executive privilege. Okay, fair point. But does it not Can't the Democrats demand that they appear before them in Congress? You know, it's one of those constitutional conflicts. Yes, they can. Will it be negotiated? It becomes a complicated issue. But don't you think the Democrats think they have a mandate now to bring every single person that works in the White House before them in some form of an investigation? I think the Democrats, what's in the Democrats' head, I would say usually nothing that interesting is in the Democrats' head.

29:28But I think they have to make that estimation. Are they looking like, are they seriously trying to do something for the American people or are they doing engaged in performative acts which achieve nothing? But can't they do both? Can't they chew gum and walk at the same time? I would say unlikely that they can. And also, remember, you only get to send so many messages. And remember, the Democrats have tried to do this before, this very thing. Let's confront. And a couple of things. They didn't confront very well. They dithered and did it at the last minute and within not enough time. And then that plays into Trump's hand.

30:18So the Democrats have to figure out and they still have to answer that central question, which they have never quite been able to answer, except possibly in the midterms, they've somewhat figured it out about how to deal with Donald Trump. Right. Okay. So I'm just going to read some of the names that were at the party for Susie Wiles, which tells us something about who's thinking of running, who wants to stay on her good side, etc. Who was missing? Spotted, and I'm thanking Politico for this, spotted Treasury Secretary Scott Besant, Energy Secretary Chris Wright, our friend Robert F. Kennedy, your Health and Human Services Secretary, here's how to cook an omelette.

31:02By the way, it was 25 years yesterday since the anniversary of me finding the dead raccoon and cutting off his penis and putting it in the freezer for me to look at later. Anyway. There are many commenters who have petitioned for you to stop doing that. I know, but some people still like it. Mehmet Oz, Christopher Landau, they're from the health department. A dwindling, dwindling. Dwindling, dwindling. FCC Chair Brendan Carr, Canadian Ambassador Mark Wiseman. That's an interesting one. New Zealand ambassador, Chris Seed. Australian ambassador, Greg Moriarty. There's no sign of the British ambassador here.

31:42And then various other names. Joe Gebbia, one of the co-founders of Airbnb. He was there. No, it appears to be no J.D. Vance and no Marco Rubio. It's possible that they dropped in and our correspondent at Polisco didn't see them. There just seems to me a list of people who go anywhere for a free drink. Well, that's very possible. A bit like the 11 Democrats who didn't turn up to vote for the impeachment of Pete Hegseth. What was your interpretation of that? I mean, I thought it looked pretty bad for Hakeem Jeffries that he couldn't get his people there. But I think you probably have a different take on it.

32:21I do. Inevitably. I think everybody dislikes Massey. I think he's a pain in everybody's ass. It's Massie who brought the impeachment order. Yeah. I mean, I think that he's performative. He's a representative of one. And I also think that this action that he brought kind of undermines a concerted plan to accomplish this when the Democrats do have a majority. So, I mean, why is he bringing this now? Well, he's bringing it now because he's outgoing. Yes, well, just because of him. Yeah, this is about me. And I think everybody said, you know, I'll sit this one out. I don't think that's what happened.

33:08I think they missed the time to get home. I think they missed their schedule. I think they were at a drinks party because they arrived to vote and they closed the doors on the vote. Yeah, and I think probably purposefully. You know, nothing happens. Well, maybe it does. Maybe everybody is a stumble bum and an incompetent and can't walk and chew gum at the same time. Well, who does that remind me of? Yes. Donald Trump. Or everybody is calculated. So you think it's possibly calculated that the Democrats didn't bother to turn up for the impeachment? Yeah, I don't think that they wanted. I don't think they wanted to get behind Massey on this.

33:56They didn't want it to be Massey's show. They didn't want Massey to get the credit. And they didn't want to get into a situation that they were going to lose, which they did lose. And even if they had shown up, they would have lost. I mean, the question now is, what do they do? I mean, this is kind of irrelevant at this point. The new Democratic Party begins on January 3rd. The new democratic power begins on January 3rd. What happens then? How do you take on Hegseth? How do you take on Blanche? How do you take on RFK Jr.? How do you take on Donald Trump? That is what I'm sure that they are trying to figure out now.

34:40And there's Thomas Massey. Thomas Massey. He's in irrelevance. He's in irrelevance. You know, jumping the gun on this. Did you see there was a wonderful moment with Hegseth, and I think his name is Doug Collins, as they were walking up the steps to the Veterans Day Memorial Service. Donald Trump is in front of them and Pete Hegseth and Doug Collins do a fist bump behind the president, which is obviously a fist bump for Hegseth having survived the impeachment vote. And then did you see, and it was beautifully caught on camera for us by Nell Scavel, who watched every moment of the Veterans Service.

35:17And then, of course, Pete Hegseth got shouted at, at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier where he was laughing. Well, I would say he got dressed down. Okay. More than, you know, he was called on the carpet. I mean, he was laughing or having a good time at a particular space, which is a space that the military certainly considers, and he is the civilian leader of the military, of a sacred space. Right. And he was caught laughing at it on Veterans Day. He would know the rules. And the young soldier who was marching back and forth and guarding the space yelled at him to remind him, silence, no laughing.

36:11That's not what happens here. We're going to play that clip.

36:30Your silence and respect at all times.

36:42That is actually a pretty remarkable moment, isn't it? That the defense secretary gets exposed like that and told off by this young guard. I wonder what happens to him. Does he, like Alice Wang, disappear? Does he get promoted? You know, well, they were forced, the Defense Department was forced to issue a statement in which they acknowledged that, well, they didn't acknowledge that Hager's had done anything inappropriate, but they acknowledged that the Sentinel had done what was appropriate. Yeah. So what happens to him? Yeah, he gets. Does Hager say, find that guy? He gets disappeared totally.

37:28You think he has disappeared? We'll never see him again. Well, we appreciate you. But the larger question, of course, is Hager's disappear. Yeah. What happens to Hager's? Does Trump blame him for the war and move on? Well, I think that's the thing. This is binary at this point. He gets blamed or he is Trump's protection. Even more, you know, Trump is going now to engage in this, in doing everything possible to make the Democrats respond in a way that that's useful to him. So he's baiting – he's going to bait everybody and the Democrats are reliable – he reliably baits them and they respond in a way that he can take advantage of, which he always does.

38:27So that's going to play out now constantly. I mean, so he did this thing. This was really kind of extraordinary. But, you know, we're in extraordinary times in which the Justice Department announced that they were going to, when Congress, the new Congress starts to investigate the administration, as it has, of course, every right to do. When that happens, the Justice Department is going to investigate the investigators. Now, this is completely meaningless, but it is just a kind of they're chumming the waters. How can we get the Democrats to react in a way that will make them seem hysterical, ineffectual, weak?

39:18And distract them from doing the things that actually the voters want them to do, which is bring prices down, end corruption, get ice off the streets. Yes, exactly. I mean, be effective, in other words. So there is a – how can we provoke a war with Congress? With the Democrats. Yes, and with the Democrats, yes. And what's going to be really interesting is the sort of split in the Democrats. And I think there probably is still a civil war going on in that party about how they respond to Trump. You have a lot of civil wars. I do have a lot of civil wars. But I do think, you know, the Dems are supposed to be this big tent.

39:52But at some point, they're going to have to come together on a philosophy, if you like, of how, as you say, they handle Donald Trump. And do they rise to his continuous bait? Or do they let it go? And arguably, you know, the somewhat pathetic efforts to go after Trump during the Biden era led to Trump coming back. Yeah, no, absolutely. Again, four criminal trials, one resulting in a conviction. And Donald Trump is president. His president. His president. And the Supreme Court basically said you've got a free pass. Right. Now, so Donald Trump, we will have this, we are going to see, especially after January 3rd, Donald Trump and the Trump administration go to war with the Democrats and with Congress.

40:46But there's going to be problems with that, too. So they are in, the Democrats are in a new world, the Trump is in a new world. And among the issues is nobody works for the Justice Department anymore. Like so many people have been leaving. Right. So all of within Trump is going to start to go. Trump is going to want to wage war with the Democrats. But most of the people he has had on his side to wage war are leaving. It is going to be Donald Trump and Stephen Miller. That is it. And Todd Blanche. And Todd Blanche. But even that Todd Blanche at some point. I mean, Todd Blanche is in deep, but I've got to assume that he, unless he's just, you know, I'm in too deep, I'm stuck.

41:40He's got to start protecting himself. So it's hard to understand. I was going to say it's hard to see what happens here. But actually, we've seen this before, which is, you know, this is exactly what happened after the loss of the election in 2020. The entire White House, the administration, everybody in a who was a semi-professional got out of there as fast as they could. And he was left with Rudy Giuliani and then this band of nutcases. Including Stephen Miller. No, actually, even Stephen Miller at that point stepped aside from there. Stephen Miller had stayed with him the whole time. Well, no.

42:31During that, Stephen Miller came back after January 6th and after it became clear that the party itself, I mean, Stephen Miller came back, made his amends and came back. But he was not among that group of of Rudy Giuliani crazies who who came to who came to stand behind Donald Trump. And I think we're going to see this again. It's Stephen Miller. Stephen Miller will be in the Rudy Giuliani role, possibly. And then other true believers, people who have nowhere else to go, will be beside Trump and everybody else will be. I'm out of here. Susie Wiles, case in point. Right. This time of year, something's always going wrong at the worst possible moment.

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44:59He's ended up with people hating what ICE has done on the streets of America. Does the appointment of Stephen Miller hastily, though, it was. Well, I mean, he had walked out. We did. Trump. Trump doesn't know. Right. OK. I mean, at this point, I mean, so we've had, he goes on 60 Minutes and says he's open to some kind of compromise on immigration. Everybody goes, oh, my God, you know, it's really, it's happened. He's been humbled. And then he immediately reverses that, open to nothing, and he's deporting everybody again. Where is that going to end up? I don't know. I mean, one of the things that is going to happen and one of the things that the new Congress could easily do is defund ICE.

45:47I mean, they really have a clear remedy on that issue, which would probably be popular. And what happens in that case to Mark Wayne Mullen, who appears to have been silent since the midterms? Mark Wayne, your friend, the former wrestler who tried to appoint his security detail as head of ICE, the man with the – this is Lance Schroer who – I don't know what happens to him. Does anyone care? The highway patrol man. Yeah. I don't think anyone cares. It's just an irrelevancy in anybody's world. So maybe ICE gets closed down, which would be the best possible thing for it. Yeah. And as in how does Stephen Miller, I mean, remember, this is Stephen Miller's issue.

46:33I don't know. I mean, I think this, I think Stephen, I've said before, I think Stephen Miller lasts four months. This comes a cropper very quickly. Stephen Miller can't do this job by just doesn't have the skills or temperament to manage a complex organization. organization, nor the experience. And he is single-minded in this. This is his issue. And I think if this issue demands any kind of nuance or compromise, he falls apart. And the Democrats have already said they're not going to work with him. All right. So final subject for today, your favorite person and mine, Melania. Again, Again, I've tried to join her imperial network.

47:20I'm struggling to find how to join it. But I think you have thoughts on it. Well, you know, my thoughts continue. I mean, what's her game? And you can begin to sense that her game is not Donald Trump's game. I mean, now she's set up this thing that seems to violate all kinds of the new Trump, second Trump administration rules against. DEI. Yeah. And she seems to pay no mind to that. And I suspect that she, like we're going to see among many members of this administration, wants her distance. Well, she's already got her distance, right? Well, she's got her, certainly has her physical distance. Right.

48:11And she has her marital distance. And she has her, you know, I mean, she has, it would be hard to express greater contempt for her husband, the president. But I think now we're going to see possibly policy differences that she wants to she wants to be a better person than the Trump administration would like her to be. Interesting. So that leaves us with Natalie Harp. How is Natalie Harp faring after the midterms, given that her one and only that the sun life revolves? Natalie Harp will be there till the last moment, to his last breathing moment. So everybody may well have scattered by the time Trump exits from the presidency.

49:11But Natalie Harp will return with him tomorrow. Is there a moment where Donald Trump gets bored with Natalie Harp that he's like enough with Natalie Harp? Where's the new Natalie Harp? Ah, interesting. Something for us to keep our eyes on. Yes, indeed. A 40-year-old Natalie Harp, that could be. A 25-year-old Natalie Harp. Yes, no, but I mean, when she turns, when she could age out of this role at any moment, good point. Possibly a Chinese spy can find her way in. Yeah, we don't think Natalie's a Chinese spy, do we? I mean, you know who could have been a Chinese spy? Who, Joanna? Katie Zachariah spent time in China, worked as a lawyer, as an attorney in China.

49:59You know, she was giving Chinese business advice, apparently, according to her anyway. I see. Okay. Possible that the Chinese had gotten to her and that's how she ended up getting the job. Anyway, she didn't last very long. But Katie, if you've got anything you want to tell us, we're available. We're available to hear. But I'm really fascinated to figure out where the leak of the Jensen Wang story came from. As are many people. Yeah, and the timing of it. Anyway, we'll be back to discuss inevitably more of this story. It couldn't be more gripping. We'll be back on Saturday to talk about it, won't we?

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