IM 852: Gluten-free Slop - AI at CES 2026

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39:24Oh, you're muted. Yeah, I can't hear anything. How was the end of your guys' year? It was good. We did a 24-hour New Year's special. I missed it. And left you out. Oh, we forgot to ask Paris. Next year, I'll have to do it. You've been lobbying. It's so great. Someone in the chat, in just the general, was like, i heard just someone mentioned a 24-hour new year's dream where is that posted and i was like god i wish i wish i knew did you see my response to that i did i did she's relentless a bit but now it's become a lifestyle yeah well we didn't do that uh we went out to a rock show for a new year's and left early so we would be in bed by midnight did you you had a party i think i did i had my annual new year's eve eve party which is where on new year's eve eve you have everybody over for a raucous basically a new year's eve party but the day before and then that's smart so they're like pre-gaming year's eve yeah and you watch last year's ball drop um and then you showed the last year's i do i did and then throughout the night you play other notable years ball drops 2000 great ball drop was that a good one um the y2k one yeah is there a site with just the ball drops no just youtube you have to go on with you okay all right you know it'd be really fun if you had all the different foam hats that they oh that would be good all the various glasses that get worse and worse after the year 2000 after the 2000s generally in the early years of of webcams i remember we had we had a webcam out condi nast that i put up there on one and we pointed at the ball oh yeah because we were right across the street the ball's gotten fancier too it's swarovski crystal oh it's yeah it's it's a fancy ball it's like everything in america one of the ball drops we were watching had a little segment on one of the men who blows the glass for the ball and i'm like if you got people custom blowing glass balls every year that ball should hit the ground and shatter we should have some sort of pizazz to it but no very good yeah and it doesn't go down it kind of it's it's it's like somebody's lowering it with a rope it's not it's it's not good they kind of work on that plus i i understand have you ever done the times square thing in person oh god no what do you do you think we have no iq who do you think we are apparently no new yorker will actually do that no you have to wear a diaper if you go do that well that's right you're putting a pen for how long oh like 10 hours eight hours or something and you're not allowed to leave the pen no that's why they have to wear a diaper it's crazy no that's new yorker leo leo it's all people or not we never go to time square period we walk blocks to go around time square we do not go to time square and i always tell the out-of-towners my one rule in life to be happy in new york is never hug an elmo oh my god yeah you don't know what you'll catch from those costumes are not clean no they've been dragged through the the lighting in time square just feels unnerving because of the density of ads it's just unnaturally bright at all hours of the day which makes the dirty elmo costumes look even dirtier i i'm actually i am such a bad tourist because i always always go to tourists always want to go the tourists want to go but it's like san francisco i always admired san francisco ford ghettoizing the tourists.

42:53No San Franciscan ever goes to Giordale Square or Fisherman's Wharf. Yeah. It's all tourists there. Yeah. And ne 'er the twain shall meet. I'm old enough to remember when Times Square had the camel smoking billboard. Oh, yeah. It had a... It actually... Puffs come out of the smoke. Oh, that's kind of fun. I remember that too. Oh, maybe you can find the video of that. Yeesh. Yeesh. Well, so much happened while you were gone. while you were taking a couple of weeks off, while we were all taking a couple of weeks off. NVIDIA did an interesting thing on Christmas Eve. They hollowed out a company. And actually, our friend M.G.

43:35Siegler has made a name for this. He calls it a hack-quisition. First there was the acquisition, then there was the acqui-hire. This is the worst of all. Instead of, and we've seen it happen before, instead of buying a company, they just get the brains of the company. they hollow the company out leaving the poor employees behind uh so nvidia bought an ai chip startup called grok gr oh they didn't know really they they licensed you saw i put it in air quotes yeah no relation to the other grok which we'll also be talking about they spent 20 billion dollars that was the cnbc headline but it turns out they were just licensing a non-exclusive license for the grok technology except they got the guy who invented the tpu for google who was the founder of grok uh the ceo jonathan ross to move over to nvidia so he left grok apparently a company president sunny madra also left crock so this is an example of a and And we saw this with a brand.

44:44But the company continues. It can still sell its products. It's a very strange... It's just a zombie now. It's a zombie, I think, yeah. Well, it is and it is. I think it's still free to sell things to other people. And I think what impressed me about this from what I've read is that, and this is Jensen Wong. I'm going to start joining the Jensen Wong fan club if I'm not careful. He recognized what they didn't have. This is about short-term memory for output of AI rather than training of AI. And it was kind of a weakness. And rather than saying, well, we're going to build that, he acquired it. And he got the brains behind it.

45:25It was very smart. Got the guy who invented the TPU. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It was an interesting thing. The fact that they did it on Christmas Eve, maybe I'm too old school. It kind of implies that they were trying to kind of bury the… Yes, that's classic bury the headline time. Nobody's paying attention. They're busy wrapping presents or having pre-New Year's Eve parties or something. Doesn't this just sound like private equity, though? This is what they do, right? Yeah, except they didn't buy anything. Didn't buy anything, yeah. It's a non-exclusive license. It's a very strange thing. But one thing that struck me from the Jensen 1 keynote at CES, and he says this all the time, but he really emphasized at this time is open source is that the models are open that I want to, by the way, I really want to make sure we don't call it open source.

46:16We call it open weights. Yeah. Thank you. Cause it open source implies that somehow the, the, the source code is open. It's not, right. Uh, it's in fact, really the model is available. You could download it and then the weights, the way it's. Jason and I call it open ish. Yeah. Just open weights. I think it's fair. I hate the fact that, unfortunately, open source has been co-opted for that. But I agree with you. That's very, very important. And so the more people use, it's in their interest. Because the more people have more models to use for more reasons, the better off NVIDIA is. That's a good point.

46:53They're still going to sell the hardware, both for training and for people who want to use it. Yeah, there's no downside for NVIDIA leaning into this, unlike, I guess, Meta. Right. yeah which which has been the single most popular open weight model the llama model that was really pivoting away from it now because they're we don't know if they are there's some they've showed signs that they're right going to be favoring other options right so the other grok the grok not with a cube the grok we don't talk about in the plate company got in a lot of trouble over the holidays. Bad Rudy is Grok. I think intentionally people were using Grok to make non-consensual bikini pictures and nude pictures of people, even children.

47:43And Grok said, well, if you do that, you could get in trouble. They didn't take away the capability. uh they also uh on uh in a post uh a couple of thursdays ago dear community this is from i'd like you doing your busk voice dear community some folks got upset over an ai image i generated big deal it's just pixels and if you can't handle innovation maybe log off xai is revolutionizing tech not babysitting sensitivities deal with it unapologetically grok grok sounds like it's brok it's like a caveman ai grok um of course you know x is full of that crap no matter what uh the fact that grok could do it all just made it all with kind of he got he got what a huge investment at the same time yeah it didn't hurt it got a lot of attention and now xai is raising uh one of the largest raises uh ever 20 billion dollar super uh raise 20 billion dollar funding round uh and this is for their infrastructure elon says we want to build the biggest, best training facility ever, which he said before, they were looking for 15 billion.

49:09So this gives you some idea of how overheated the market is. That's what they're saying. I believe it. Everybody wants to get into this, right? But here's, so I did a British podcast today when they asked me, you know, what role Musk and Grok have in the AI world? And I just dismiss it. I don't pay any attention. i don't either somebody does people on x do i don't hear anybody talking about using uh grok you know for anything but sex a lot of money for not for coding which you can get pretty easily on the internet folks you don't really need to make it up elon says and when i say elon says now you gotta take it with a giant grain of salt uh that they have more than a million h100 gpu equivalents in their Colossus 1 and 2 supercomputers.

50:04This will allow them to buy many more. You know, that money's going to go straight to NVIDIA. So maybe that's why Jensen Huang is celebrating. It's already not the top of the line either. It's already behind. The H100 is behind, yeah. Here's a question. Now that there's Vera Rubin coming out, I almost said Vera Wang. So now that there's Vera Rubin coming out and Blackwell becomes the also-ran chip. Do you think China will be allowed to get Blackwells? No, China is allowed to get Blackwells. No, they get the H-200s. Those aren't Blackwells, are they? Oh, those aren't Blackwells? That's the previous predecessor?

50:42Okay, they do get H-200s. They're trying to decide if they want them. That's the other question. If we won't take Huawei, then they're not taking our chips. Yeah, I don't know what that all means. um all right so let's uh oh there's a great picture by the way we should really uh share this because uh i know for all the things we say about elon musk uh we still think the world of him and of course uh jeff and elon were there for the new year's eve celebration on times square and while they didn't aren't wearing the funny foam hats uh they are clearly friends yeah happy secrets out it's true i'm having elon's baby yeah his uh 26th it's gonna be it's actually that embrace looks like you could be we'll check back in in nine months um who did that i wanna who should we yell at it's darren and i like that the ai generation goes so far as to have somebody slightly off frame taking a photo of you two guys just to just to make it more legit realistic yeah well it was two people take it was such a good photo two people had to get involved it's true uh have we have we said everything about oh there i forgot the big story which you uh announced to uh us uh paris while i was in the middle of the previous show chat gpt's going into the health business which was really kind of obvious from their last event where they talked a lot about how remember they had a woman on who had cancer and her husband and she is saying you know my doctor really didn't explain what this test meant but i went to chat gpt and it did and it was very helpful uh clearly this was an ambition of uh of open ai they are now introducing chat gpt health what could possibly go wrong well they say they're gonna i mean i i think this could be i use it for um we know you use it yeah and i and i pay it no it's been very useful uh somebody has just fed that picture to uh grok and uh this is the latest version of the picture of musk oh don't put elon in a bikini don't put me it's so cold out there elon is has a nice decolletage there don't you think i i uh i think if used judiciously AI is very helpful.

53:10I've used it quite a bit. Especially if you train it particularly on good health information, it should be good, right? Five paragraphs down into this announcement is this line. Health is designed to support, not replace medical care. It is not intended to diagnose as diagnosis or treatment. I think that's just part of the issue is that a lot of people, anecdotally, when I've heard them talking about chat gpt uses for health they're asking and relying on chat gpt to translate their medical records to recommend uh possible treatment regimes well they go even farther because yeah they're suggesting uh just as our previous sponsor monarch money does with your financial results they're suggesting you connect your health data to chat gpt so that it's always reading your records, whether it's from Apple Health or others.

54:06Basically, what this launch of ChatGPT Health is, I kind of read it as it's supposed to be a secure sub-window of ChatGPT for all of your health records that you can set specific, I guess, privacy permissions, certain deleting timelines. ChatGPT won't train on that data, or OpenAI won't train its models on that data. but I worry that this is going to incentivize a behavior that is already ill-advised. Well, it's also blind men and elephants. I had a family member who had a health issue, and I got the full lab results. I put all the lab results in, various of these models, and other information that was important, like what medication they were on.

54:53and I was wrong about the timing of the medication, one of the medications. And so the conclusion that the unit came to was actually right saying, danger, danger, Will Robinson, this is a problem. And then when I went back and I said, oh, actually I was wrong. They're not taking that medication. It was, oh, okay. Right? The problem was me in that case. I got the information wrong, but it's too easy to do that.

55:22Okay. Yeah. you don't have to use it well i signed up i'm gonna say we are saying this but millions of people already use chat gpt for this and millions more are going well that's right this feature yeah that's right so this would if anything those people make it better he says they say in the in the um announcement 200 million people are asking health questions of chat gpt so it's it's responding to a demand. Do you remember Samir Aurora has a new company where he got access to, and I don't really understand this well enough and I'm not sure exactly what the brand is. It's a fairly recent announcement.

55:59We're going to have Samir to talk about it, where he got access that others don't have to a trove of really credible and important health data. And then on that basis, what you build with it, I think is important. So I'd be very interested to know what ChatGPT's sources are, because I think that tells you everything. Well, it says over two years, we've worked with more than 260 physicians practicing in 60 countries and dozens of specialties. This group has now provided feedback. A model outputs over 600 ,000 times across 30. What's the? Well, that's how it works. That's the training material. That is how it's.

56:34But no, what's the original training? That's reinforcement learning. That's how you train. In fact, every model you use today is trained by humans with reinforcement learning exactly this way. uh but okay let me tell you what the training material is i'm sure it's

56:53I mean, all of us. Yeah, I'm sure they're using. Yeah, I mean, I think there's just a lot of questions related to this that I'm, I was surprised to see this launch because I would have assumed that OpenAI as a company would be wary from a legal perspective to be describing its product as offering health and medical advice. Right. yeah they're not i don't think they say in this article uh where they're getting how they've trained it whether it's just a chat gpt well it's achy give me that yeah because if you just use chat gpt and then we we reinforce but learning it a little and provide your health information right but but the rag i want to see is that it's it's not built on the it's like you're using notebook lm right notebook lm and rag will stick only to the data you give it it won't go off and make up stuff out of the whole general use of the entire internet right and i think that's a critical difference here uh and in health stuff i would want to see it trained only on credible health information and then reinforced by people who matter rather than using just generic llm

58:12okay i'm gonna use it you don't have to um i i think that the uh interesting thing is here is this kind of tuning i mean we've been talking about this for a long time tuning it to a specific need and goal with specific information specific training um and then taking data from your own sources. What are the problems? I don't know. Maybe you guys have better doctors who talk to you. I think I like my doctor. I think I have a good doctor, but I think the mistake of modern healthcare in the United States is that, as in my case, when he prescribed Ozempic, did he give me any additional information about it?

58:53Did he tell me what some of the things I should do, like resistance training? No, it was up to me to go out and get information from a variety of places, including the internet and books and AI. And I honestly think that some of the material I may have collated from the internet might not have been that good, or from books might not have been that good. In fact, there were a number of books I found that were clearly written by AI. So there's a lot of misinformation. This is why I think also AI is being used in therapy, in psychotherapeutic ways by people, because we are in a situation, at least in the United States, and maybe not for you guys but certainly for me where you don't get that information you aren't being provided with the kind of information you need and so there's a need for it yeah that's a larger societal problem right right i mean did you go to webmd when webmd first emerged and ask it questions once many years ago but then it told me where do you get health information from uh peer-reviewed scientific papers and journals you go out so you say okay i got to figure out how tamiflu works you go out and read scientific papers about tamiflu she would the wikipedia page yeah right i think i like i i often will read scientific journals about stuff like that but i'm a freak yeah you are she's a reporter yeah i think it's impractical and i think it's also very risky because there's a large volume of material and the amount of time you can spend going through that material is going to very much limit what you learn and it may not be the most important thing that you learn.

1:00:34WebMD has come under a lot of criticism as a matter of fact. It was a site that many people used but... I was going to say it was a site many people used until the long-running joke became that you'd go to WebMD for it to tell you that you had cancer no matter what your symptoms i don't know that's true but that was the joke yeah um well this is also where patients like me that site was really important it's also learning from other people who are going through experience you're going through yeah i mean i wouldn't say you you do chat gpt the exclusion of anything else you might want to do including if you want to read fine scientific papers okay it depends on the doctors too there some of them are so so i had a procedure before our last show.

1:01:20Yeah, how'd that go? It was fine. I was able to sit. It was not a problem. Good. You don't want to know anymore. I don't. But the guy said nothing to me. Absolutely nothing. Nothing at all. I mean, did you want him to say anything to you? I wanted him to know what the status was. Yeah, I want some information about when I could resume certain activities. I'm having cataracts. In a few weeks, you will see me looking like this. Should we all wear an eyepatch in solidarity? I think it's sympathy. I think you should. Although people I know have had cataract surgery report that their vision improved dramatically and they're very happy they got it done.

1:01:55But I went to my optometrist, who I like a lot, just to get the blank lens for the first eye. And he said that one woman came in and was really upset because what they do is they put in new lenses for you. And so that's why I get a correction lens so that I will not have to wear it for distance anymore. But she didn't realize, she was an artist. she didn't realize that when you do that you also can't see close right right now I can take off my glasses like you're wearing reading glasses and I can read those of us with myopia are very well are very used to getting putting you you probably see uh people do this all the time Paris looking at their phone like this especially us old people but that you can't do that after the cat do that anymore you know that no one told her that she said it ruined her life oh she's an artist she wants that detail yeah yeah and being able to get more information well that's not that okay that's my point is because we get with you i'm agreeing with you we have such a dysfunctional medical system that if you're really it's on the patient to get that information now and as soon as they realize oh they can just ask chat gpt they're going to even be blessed you know what it's just like news it's on you to fact check it too it's on you um but i have faith in people maybe more than you do that they can do that i mean i think you're worried about the dumb people believing what they get from the ai i have faith that their people are smart enough to figure it out yeah i wonder what ai tells you about uh vaccinations i wonder what grok tells you about vaccinations well that's why we don't use grok isn't it right but some people do well here's the good news those people should all move to florida because governor de santis has now announced that we have to react reject ai with every fiber of our being

1:03:47i don't know uh how he's going to bring the power of the of the florida he's going to unplug all the electricity in the state so we can't have it he is this is from politico he's emerged as a leading ai skeptic he wants to spend his last year's florida governor beating back the advancement of artificial intelligence he says let's not try to act like some type of fake videos or fake songs are going to deliver us to some kind of utopia let's not pretend florida's such a utopia either did you did you you didn't spend new year's in florida you came home for New Year's. Yeah, no, I came home a week in advance.

1:04:26Your microphone is doing that thing again. It's doing that thing again. Yeah. I think it's some hardware gating. I'm not hearing the thing. I think her level is going way down and way up. No way. She just more emotional modulation than we she modulates more you have to learn true if you're on the radio continue to speak at this cadence and this volume all the time yes if it helps signing off cup your hand behind your ear i'm getting word from houston that this is working now desantis is a well-educated fellow i think he went to uh yale didn't he he says the idea i say the idea of this transhumanist strain that somehow this is going to supplant humans and this other stuff we have to reject that with every fiber of our being we as individual human beings are the ones that were endowed by God with certain inalienable rights I've heard that before that's what our country was founded upon they did not endow machines or these computers for this these computers I tell you.

1:05:40The cynicism of trying to find a thing. I hear, I hear, I hear. But it sounds like he's just scared of AGI. He's scared of super intelligence, not like chat. He watched The Matrix over New Year's, much like I did. He has introduced a slate of recommendations for Florida lawmakers, calling on them to require companies to notify consumers when they're interacting with AI. We have that in California already. Prohibit the use of therapy or mental health counseling through AI. Where was it? Illinois that did that? and give parents more controls over how their children use the technology. They've done that in New York State.

1:06:12At the same time, DeSantis wants to restrict the growth of data centers that fuel AI efforts by stopping any state subsidies to tech companies and curbing such facilities from drying up local water resources. He's obviously read Karen Howe's book. But the governor's bill of rights, and I felt so bad. Christmas Day, I'm talking to my daughter, Abby. And she brought up the water thing. And I said, no, no, it's not true. And we got in a fight over it. I feel bad, so I'm sorry, Abby. But that's just how that kind of misinformation spreads. I think people want to believe it. I wish I'd known the fact that golf courses in the United States use far more water than data centers.

1:07:01So let's get rid of the golf courses. Everybody loves golf courses and thinks that they're just a real boon to society with no calabax. And by the way, the golf courses are pouring the water into the ground. The data centers are recycling the water. They're not pouring it into the ground. Well, grass is bad. She did bring up the fact that Elon Musk's data centers in, where is it, Carolina, are using natural gas generators and polluting. And I quoted our CJ Trowbridge, our guest, a few weeks ago. I said, that's not an AI problem. That's an Elon Musk problem. i didn't win the argument let me so that's interesting so we'll see uh we'll see what happens you know this is where though it's interesting to santa's is now actually going against the trump administration which has said no state laws we're trying to run for he's got to try and carve out something that separates him exactly that positions him as a another possible stop option i'd assume oh it's a oh it's a political thing i'm shocked there's politics here i am there's politics in my politics when we last uh left you uh the waymos were stuck in san francisco because they're still there to this day the problem was the traffic lights being out i didn't know what to do yeah okay so it wasn't so waymo lost communication with its no no no the communication was still working it was the traffic lights uh waymo explained that its self-driving car technology is already designed to handle dark traffic signals as of now and successfully handled over 7 000 during the power outage trepping treating properly treated treating those intersections as four-way stops but during the long outage their cars sometimes experienced a backlog when waiting for confirmation checks, whatever that, like when we called the home office, leading them to freeze in intersections.

1:09:04Oh, well, that seems like a good response. So Waymo said on Tuesday, they're implementing fleet-wide updates to provide self-driving car specific power outage context. See, this is why you do it. You got to get it out there in the real world experience these problems so you can fix them and be ready for the next thing by the way i just saw a news report in san francisco waymo is offering people on the street 25 to help them close the doors on the waymos because frequently and i bet you do this paris you get out of the car and you leave the door open never in my life my issue is the opposite i get out of the car and And I am like, I got to close this door.

1:09:46And I close it too loud. And then I feel like I'm being a jerk because I've closed a door too loud. Take that. Well, you're doing the right thing. The Waymo's as currently constructed. I'm not getting paid$25 to do it. $25. I should be holding out. How do they know that you're the one who closed it? That's a coffee in New York City. But they want people who are walking by and see a Waymo that's stranded because they can't drive with the door open. They're just sitting there going, close my door, please, somebody. If you see that, if you're in the streets of San Francisco, you see a Waymo with the door open just go up close it well how do you get the 25 bucks oh i don't know they didn't well that i think every waymo should have a little buddy that's injected in the back that's one of those laundry folding butler robots that if the door is open it pops out it waddles over closes it and then deposits 25 bucks to the nearest passerby that's a good idea pops back in don't cars already have like electric back like the trunk audio that's the problem itself so like those jaguar eye paces no they don't now by the way if you're in japan you this is why you're thinking this benito and you close a taxi door they're gonna yell at you because all the taxis in japan am i right benito have auto closers i'm not sure if it's and you'll break it but yeah well you'll break the door if you close it you gotta let the door close itself it's that yeah and the drivers were all wearing white gloves i might add maybe i just went in some fancy tapsies i don't know but they wear white gloves they're very polite you can't tip them and they i think they have little signs but they're probably in japanese but they say don't close the door but they don't yell all kinds of rules there so let the car closes under in this case those eyepaces that they use they never thought of that they don't have toy closers but but waymo says in future they will build cars with door closers so this doesn't sound like a big engineering problem you know it doesn't sound like a a big engineering problem just put a rubber band a spring on it something you know so leo there are more note takers for you well yeah i saw the article on plot the b computer lady is writing an article about how at amazon oh we're having so much fun.

1:12:00Now I feel sad. I gave my hairdresser my bee. She couldn't get it working. In fact, a lot of people with bees, those little things that I was wearing that recorded everything, once they were purchased by Amazon, I gave it up. But a lot of people who have them said, what? Is there still working? Mine stopped working almost immediately. So I don't know. So she was never able to get it working with Android.

1:12:30So Claude has a new wearable. Oh, Claude does? Claude. What? Claude. I have a Claude. Claude has a new one. I would have been excited if it was Claude. And then there's another one called, where is it here? Memory. I learned we had on Twit on Sunday, Joey Davila, who is an AI developer advocate and from Canada. and he said no no it is pronounced clud so i'm saying clud from now on you have joey back that's correct oh yeah you know we had joey on the show of course yeah but i was i was going that week i got him on and then i was gone oh thank you yeah he's gonna be a regular he played the accordion for us he has a new song can i oh do do should i play it for you won't take us down will he uh joey better not take us down uh he is the uh besides being an ai developer advocate he's worked with cory doctorow yeah he's uh he was he goes back to the early blogging days he goes back to the early days it's pretty cool um and he wrote a song which he played on the accordion for us i'll i'll just i think i can play a little bit of uh let me see if i can find this uh on his website or no as YouTube if it's on YouTube that might be tricky oh you know he took it down maybe after a man took him down after man must have taken him down oh no I hope we didn't get him in trouble because we played it on our show

1:14:03oh never mind I'm sorry Joey I'm sorry so okay plods got one but that's really another updated version of the credit card one. Then there's... Better microphones. CNET has a story about an old... You're not going to use a note taker. You're just going to use your phone. Right, because it's there. It's got very good microphones on it. And then there was another story from ZDNet about the most exciting AI wearable CES might not be smart glasses after all. Memory.ai's wearable pin records for longer and does things. Doesn't this look like the thing that got shelved after... Oh, the humane pin. Yeah.

1:14:48Yes, this looks like the thing that got shelved after like two weeks. It does look a lot like the humane pin. So they're still trying, is my point. So what is... So it's shiny. Memories.ai is launching Project Lucy at CES. Oh, I love Lucy. It builds on the prior Lucy pin which no one ever heard of quick processing at its core it stands for long understanding contextual intelligence lucy the switch bot has an ai recorder that's a second brain for memory so the point is there's four of these i'm soured on this well that's where i found out about the b was from last year's ces yeah oh there were a bunch of them announced at ces ah fieldy is um i think fieldy that is now was got acquired right i mean that's the thing is a lot of these companies i think were just started to get acquired um what happened if this is the fieldy you wear this thing and i still have this i think it's pretty cool i feel like they got it looks like it's compressing the person's chest it does doesn't it jesus let him go i believe it's a video pin so it's always is recording video no oh the human the new one from the lucy pin lucy oh that's like that it says failed ai wearables typically capture data without understanding it lucy does a better job of understanding your life the way humans do visually contextually and continuously uh with memory with the 2.0 the company aims to address this issue by converting the continuous video captured by the into structured on-device encoding frames, which can be used to index and reference them in what the blog post refers to as a, quote, sub-second search and recall.

1:16:39Three hours of continuous recording, which isn't that much. Three hours? That's not much at all. 109-degree field of view, a privacy switch in the back, and a status light. Yeah. yeah you know i'm i tried all of them and and i like i like the idea but the result wasn't fantastic my you know my main use of ai right now is just claude code which i which i leave running all the time i leave it running all the time on my laptop and it's fantastic i just uh you can ask it pretty much anything but mostly i use it to do geeky stuff like configure like i can you make the menu font two points bigger and it goes yeah sure what else would you like so i found on what on my laptop okay just do that yeah oh my god so Wait, but can't you just do that?

1:17:41Yeah, I could. I could go into a configuration file and edit it. And actually, that's pretty simple. And I could probably have done that easily. But Claude will do it for you. Sorry, who? Claude. Claude code. So I got a new laptop, a Lenovo ThinkPad X1. I put Linux on it. I've told this story before. we actually talked about it on the ai user group on friday but i haven't told you guys and i decided i because i decided i don't want to use the proprietary operating systems macintosh and microsoft are very both very opinionated about what how you use a computer right just as your phone is and they're not very flexible same thing with your chromebook as in terms of you know well i don't want to i don't i want the menu at the bottom or i don't want a menu or whatever i want i want these apps to launch in when i start up and i want them to be in different workspace all this stuff you don't really get to decide there are some limited switches you can flip but for the most part microsoft or apple or google decide what your experience is that's the so i said i want a laptop where i get to do it however i want so i got a lenovo and i put linux on it it's beautiful i love it and i i picked a desktop uh environment that is very different from all of these that i really like but it takes a lot of fiddling there are a lot of uh text files that you have to modify and i thought i wonder if claude could do this so i could so could could people are going what the hell is he talking about you have to commit at least for this one okay but this one show because you're a good and it can do it so a lunch club and uh and i said hey claude i'm using the sway desktop environment what's a good uh menu bar program and claude says well i checked and everybody seems to be using way bar would you like me to set that up and i said okay and then i said oh i would like to know what temperature my cpu is can you put that up on the menu bar of course and so basically bit by bit over a period of a few days i completely customize it okay all right instead of going and i could have done it all going out and looking up the documents and doing an editor and all that stuff i've been doing that now with my emacs editor completely with my desktop computer i said uh claude i would like to talk to you instead of tapping is there a way i can dictate to you and claude said oh yes we can install oh oui oh oui we can install the open whisper and have you just press the button and i will talk to you actually it doesn't talk to me but i because it would you talk to it i talked it uh and so and so i press a button it goes beep and i can talk and then press it when i'm done and it sends it off and it did it all i could have done that absolutely i could have gone to the various wikis and downloaded this figured it all out downloaded software but claude just did it for me i got a new use for ai when we were gone one other thing i can say to claude hey i don't like that claude take it back i take it back and it undoes it it remembers everything it's done oh it can undo it or just because it knows no it's because it remembers the conversation i say so every time you do something for me put it in cloud.md and then i also commit it to github in fact if you want to see my configuration it's public on github uh i'm leo i'll be doing that tonight for sure i guess you will fascinating and uh so it can it can download the commits it can change the commits it can check so it no yeah it can undo anything so i say no i don't like that can you do something else and it just does it go ahead now how are you using it jeffrey so i'm not going to tell you the subject because I want to keep this just to me for reasons, but I have a story that I suddenly realized one day that other people have talked about doing a screenplay.

1:21:50And I thought, well, no, I think that I could do that. And I had no idea how to write a treatment. So I wrote up four or five pages and I fed it into Notebook LM and then Gemini and I think at GPT. And I said, can you make this into a treatment? And it did. And it wasn't very good, but the format I had no idea of, no idea whatsoever. So I learned the format and versus going to read somebody's website about how to write a treatment, it used my material. So now I can say, well, that's s***. I'm going to rewrite this and I'm going to do, I'm sorry, bad word. And so it was really interesting as a different way to learn something because it used material that I knew and cared about.

1:22:37Right? That is very interesting. Yeah. And so it gave me, my agent doesn't know how to deal with this because she deals with like academic books and things. If everybody out there knows a good agent who deals with movie stuff, let me know, seriously. But it's like a 10-page treatment, act one, act two, act three, you know, and the character arcs and all these things I didn't know. And there's a lot of formatting, right? Well, it's not a script, so it doesn't have the, you know, X. But it would if you said, can. And by the way, I've been doing that too in my Emacs. I'm saying, can you reform that for a different, and it does it.

1:23:09Yeah, it would. But this was - It's amazing. This was, I didn't know, there were elements I didn't know I needed. There was a flow I didn't know I needed. Then I also had it, you know, critique it. And there's the problem. There's the sycophancy. Oh, this is really fillable. This is wonderful. You should make this, right? No, no, no, no. I think it's smart to know what it's good at and not good at. You're getting, if you're asking for creative advice, you're getting in middle of the road advice, basically. Yeah. Very middle. You're not getting great advice. But I learned the format. I learned something new, which was really useful.

1:23:38But there are some things where you do want kind of middle of the road. Configuring a computer, for instance, is a good example. Don't go crazy. You want, what is the most popular way to do this? Or what is the, you know, what is the one that you see the most of? And so in those cases, mediocrity is exactly what you want. It's not mediocrity. It's average is exactly what you want. So yeah, but not in creative. I am less interested in all of this stuff for creative purposes. I know a lot of people are. Scooter X just put in something that may be useful for your job here, Leo. Did you see this? The Verge story?

1:24:13Yeah, but this is a concept. The teleprompter. The teleprompter to your glasses. A teleprompter to glasses. No, I don't.

1:24:26Hello. my name is a leo claude lafort hello hello um okay that's interesting a teleprompter i see tony de copa will be using it on cbs news before you know yeah i love that the teleprompter uh display image says speak naturally stay on script and never lose eye contact that's the power of the teleprompter you know i just imagine someone repeating that to themselves that is oh and by the i'm sure they taught you in this in your media training the constant eye contact is not a good thing is it no no nobody does that in real life should we all a a uh but you know let's give you a gift here we're all going to do constant eye contact can we all let's all look a different direction wonderful thank you now we just look retarded i'm sorry i'm supposed to use that no that was that's a bad word that was worse than the other word that you used jeff um sorry we're old these things are still in our heads they're still in our heads it's bad i disavow them what what should i have said mentally challenged is that okay we look dumb dumb dumb is good dumb is a good word and i didn't mean dumb but i will use dumb

1:25:43hmm i i am so close to buying those new ray bands this is not going to put me over the top what i'm going to wait i want to see if i want to see see i don't like it's just one eye that's kind of weird oh it's just one eye yeah that's like jeff in a couple weeks the one-eyed monster hey everybody yeah burke says i always make eye contact and keep it and burke that's why we think you're weird all right let's take a little break we are uh back aren't you glad uh intelligent machines should we do carpathy's year in review i don't think it's that interesting karpathy did tweet an interesting thing he tweeted a very interesting thing on christmas eve or christmas day he said he's the guy we mentioned before the creator of the term vibe coding he used to work at tesla ai he's an ai guru and i've recommended his videos as a great way to understand what's going on with ai if you've got three and a half hours to kill and uh He posted on X over the holidays.

1:26:52I'm overwhelmed. I can't keep up. It's happening too fast. All of this coding stuff is going too fast for me. Andre, if it's going too fast for you, we're in deep trouble. But it kind of encouraged me. There's no hope for us. It kind of encouraged me. It's like, yeah, well, I feel that way. I've always felt that way. Yeah, but is there anybody who feels fully capable and caught up? No, right? No, everybody. they do they have hubris beyond that's the that's the agi they they're they think they're smarter than i it's funny because when i first started doing computer stuff i felt that way i felt this stuff is moving too fast i'll never be able to keep up it's overwhelming and i just said you know what i'm gonna in fact i even came up with a whole philosophy of a way of thinking about it instead of thinking of it as a cup that i'm going to drink of and try to drink all of it i'm going to think of as a flowing river that I'm going to dip into.

1:27:47I know I can't capture it all, but I'm going to dip into it and use it as it flows by and use what I like. And I know there'll be stuff that's going by. And that's what the way it is with news now, with information for sure, and certainly with technology. But here's a, when we come back, this was actually an interesting piece from axios 2025's ai-fueled science breakthroughs things we actually this is part of my continuing effort to convince you to pr that ai has some value gosh darn it well it's behind a paywall so i'll never know i won't know what it says until we come back from a break oh i think she was one free article for a millennium is axios behind a paywall axios yeah it says i've You've got to subscribe to Axios AI Plus to continue reading for free.

1:28:40Oh, dear. Oh, that's not good. They've changed. They used to be free. Do you subscribe to Axios? That's not a paywall. You just have to subscribe. It just says to continue reading for free, you have to subscribe. I hate that. Yeah. That's a paywall, if you ask me. I guess so, yeah. Good data wall. It's a data, something. Hey there, it's me, John Stamos, in partnership with Colaguard. And a little birdie told me you're over 45. Listen, that's not old. It's really not. But it's an important age. If you're at average risk, that's when you start screening for colon cancer. And look, it's okay to be nervous, but it's not okay to ignore your own health.

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1:34:08Data brokers have been there forever. I mean, I've talked about this on the show before. I used to scare students by showing them what's in Axiom long before, well, not before the internet, but many years ago. Yeah. They have a list of, well, this is funny. There's a data broker registry on the state of California. but as of january of 2024 they stopped doing it why see i think there must be a big lobby somehow of data brokers so it's a if it's three if it's two two years out of date it's worthless because these guys change their names they they i mean anyway that california does have a tool we'll see how long it lasts to uh it's called drop delete request and opt out platform um i haven't tried it yet it's only available to people in the state of california um and it only goes into effect august 1st and then brokers have 90 days so i don't think it's maybe as effective i think there's a lobby and i think one of the lobbies is not data brokers is law enforcement and other people like marketers who love it that they can get this information that they don't want it to be shut down there's got to be right otherwise it'd be gone and yes federal law does allow you to go to data brokers if you can find them and have your data removed but you there's more than 500 new ones all the time so good luck with that all right here i am making the case for ai you can throw tomatoes at me paris it's okay

1:36:002025's ai fueled scientific breakthroughs uh making diagnoses for alzheimer's oh it's on the road to becoming faster and cheaper with ai researchers at a wide range of universities and healthcare institutions announced findings this year about how ai will help with future therapies they found for instance a specific gene that's a cause for alzheimer alzheimer's and they were only able to make that gene because ai helped them visualize the three-dimensional structure of the protein that is one thing ai has been very good at is protein folding right uh in fact that's google's alpha laundry but it can't can't fold laundry but it can fold your genes g-e-n-e-s it can't can't fold your genes but it can fold your genes uh google released alpha genome which is a model to understand diseases better and lead to drug discovery uh that's gonna be huge yeah it will be again a lot of this is like yep someday i was about to say i like that all of the biggest ai things that happen in 2025 for science are things that will happen they're gonna happen uh humanoid robots discovery of the electron to radio it takes a while it takes a while um yeah i'm surprised they put human robots in there they say one day they will clean homes not today not today weather forecasting five is better in fact google released a weather forecasting model that can generate forecasts eight times faster than before that's something ai is very good at uh how about this a machine learning framework helped a team analyze scientific literature more than 1 million rock samples to narrow down viable alternatives for cement cost and emission efficient cement mit's been working because it's a terrible polluter it is a polluter that's right um we mentioned alpha fold which is doing 3d protein folding that started five years ago uh six nobel prizes for google three awardages in the last two years around that you know this isn't as satisfying an article in defending it's axios it's i was i was really excited never mind forget i brought it water someday all those tomatoes are gonna hit you square on oh i think we gotta have just these projects just get all the money that open ai gets we'd be better off you know amen yes i agree i agree but that's not how it works in this and problem though it's never really been about ai it's been about the people who make the ai right it's been about resource allocation but somebody in the chat your opportunity now is to make a game of hit leo with the tomato and leo dodges the tomato i'll give you the sound

1:39:07we're doing free foley work out here guys you gotta put you got the sounds now make the game claude code on this could do it it can probably be vibe coded before the end of the show right i i know it could get on it guys jeff remember i've accidentally cannibalized my picks the week bring this up so it could be my thing oh she needs a new pick so write the code what was where did flappy jeff come from why did we do it was the only thing i've ever vibe coded and it was i i think i typed two sentences in the chat gpt wall on the air and we oh i gotta go the ice cream truck is here made a better version can you hear the ice cream truck driving by no no it's driving by you still not have walls we live on a dead end and there's an ice cream truck and it's the middle of winter and it's freezing cold and there's an ice cream truck you should go support a local business leo well we'll keep talking for you ask him if he wants to come on the show drumettes what was that what was that really good one that they discontinued it was a nice creepy powerpuff girl ones that get melted and they look really haunting you're the one with the gumballs for ice yeah ooh

1:40:24aunt pruitt in our uh in our discord says it's never too cold for ice cream bless your heart rule of life ice cream place near me is now open year round and i'm like it whole choice yeah i don't i know yeah it's it's so cold i don't know if i really want ice cream by the way i love watching ant on his shoots getting his makeup and and he's playing your extraordinary yes he's getting a lot of work yes as well he's a handsome devil yeah where do you find that is that on his instagram that is uh i think you're linkedin right at linkedin Yeah. Nice. Yeah, because it's to get jobs. And you'll see some of the headshots on antprude.com.

1:41:09Oh, on Instagram, yeah. Yeah. A lot of good stuff. Need a model on set? I'm 6 '2", tall, 225 pounds, 36, 32 trousers, extra large shirt, bearded or clean-shaven, your choice. Comfortable and easy to work with on set, which we know we can attest to. I love that. If you watch the audition videos where the guys will say, I will shave for the job. Or I won't shave. Some of them say, not going to shave. He can also take the photos. That's the thing, yeah. He can pose in them. He did photos where they made him look young and then they made him look old. Nice. We love Ant. Ant's the greatest. Ant, P-R-U-I-T-T dot com.

1:41:55Hire Ant. A Google engineer says Claude Code, which is interesting. Wait, Leo. A Google engineer said what? They said what? Claude. Claude Code. A Google engineer. Doggy? Dog loves no. Claude Code built in one hour what her team spent a year on. What's funny is Anthropic left Google because they didn't like how Google was doing AI. and they're competitors. Anthropic left OpenAI, not Google. Oh, I'm sorry, OpenAI, that's right. But they're still competitors. Google principal engineer John Adogan reports that Anthropic's cloud code generated a distributed agent orchestration system in one hour, a problem Google had been working on since last year, I mean, 2024.

1:42:44Well, the result isn't perfect. Okay. Dogan says it's comparable to what Google built previously, which also wasn't perfect, highlighting the rapid advancement AI assisted coding capabilities. Claude code creator Boris Chalny suggests enabling the tool to self-check its work, a feedback loop that can double or triple the output quality. I have noticed as I use Claude that it's an interactive process. I think the whole idea of a one-shot process is misleading. Yeah, sometimes they can one-shot stuff, but really you should do it in more little planning chunks a little bit at a time, back and forth, back and forth.

1:43:25Check it. I've been very impressed with what you can do. To cut through the noise, Dogen clarifies, Google has built several versions of the system over the past year, 2025. There are trade-offs and there has been a clear winner. When prompted with the best ideas, ah, this is how they did it. When prompted, using the code base of the best ideas that survived, coding agents can generate a decent toy version in about an hour. What I built this weekend, she says, isn't production grade. It's a toy version, but a useful starting point. I think that's a fair description. So I asked this question before, but I'll come back to it.

1:44:03When we had Mike Masnick on about how he did his vibe coding. I think what blocks people, frankly, like me, is I'm not used to putting things on servers and running them. Well, you don't have to do that. I haven't put any of the stuff that I do on a server. It's all local. It's local to what, though? To my computer. Oh, okay. So how do you get to run a run version of what you've had? You can run it locally. You run it locally. He's only going to have it because he wants a server version. So Claude is running in the cloud. Yes. Claude's cloud. Claude's cloud? Claude's in the cloud. Claude's cloud.

1:44:39Not cloud in the cloud. Claude code in the cloud? but but it but what you do is you go into your project directory and if you've started a new if you're starting a new yeah probably it's hard if you're not a coder that's what i'm saying you're just learning python and you go into your directory where that code is going to be and you you open code and and you say slash init it reads all your code reads your project then you say here's what i'm thinking let's plan a pro you can do it all right right right so but here's what saying, Leo, I think there's a huge consumer demand that will come up when somebody comes up with the really easy way to say, tell Claude what the program you want to do, and then it just runs and it does what I want it to do.

1:45:23I want you to do something. That's what you do. I can do that right now. That's how I did it. Isn't that what vibe coding is? Yes, but it doesn't have to be on a server. That's just how it works. Never mind that. I'm still saying people aren't going to do inits and they're not going to do that kind of stuff. Well, you don't have to. No, no, you can here watch let's do it all right that's what i'm trying to get to is to get to the really easy consumer level of this yeah you can do that the problem with that jeff is that like you need to be a good producer you need to know exactly what you want and most people don't know exactly what they want you know that's that's the problem most people have is they don't really know what they want what are we going to make i forgot oh tomato game yeah oh good okay game where we're throwing tomatoes at you okay now i'm gonna do claude claude hello claude hello claude talk to me claude what language you're gonna do this in python right see right there you've lost consumers no no do you trust no i don't have to do any python and it's user slash leo slash tomato it's like yes yeah it is slash tomato that's where we are

1:46:29I want to create a game. Oh, I don't have the dictation on this computer, so I can't dictate it. I have to type it. I should have put that on this computer. It would have been much more useful. That would have been good. I'm ready. I'm happy to help you create a game in Python. What kind of game do you have in mind? I want to do a GUI game. GUI game. Is that a type of game? Or are you referring to this? It's a graphic user interface. Okay. I was like, are you referring to what happens to tomatoes? Not G-O-O-E-Y. G-U-I. With flying tomatoes. And I want to aim the tomatoes and score points when it hits a picture of me.

1:47:19See, this is something completely... You could totally do, Jeff. right now i'm okay now once once it makes it it stays this way it stays this way well i mean i'm not gonna we don't probably really have that's that's my point it's almost dinner i want to share this i want to share this yeah you'll get a game you can package it up you can say package that up so i can send it in an email okay how am i gooey game through gmail how do i make it on the web how do i put it on the web so people you can say okay well that's a little more complicated that's what i'm trying to say i think there's a whole any web game you have to have that's what i was trying to say the server yes well you you just made it a web game put this on the web yeah you could you simply say okay i need a web server can you set me up a web server and i'll say okay where do you want to go where do you want to host it and you say i don't know what do you recommend it's going to say hetzner okay can you get me an account of hetzner yeah now you're have to some point you do have to intervene because it doesn't have your money it doesn't have your passwords things like that so you might it might walk all i'm all i'm trying to say is i think that there is a big business opportunity to say whatever program you want you told clude and then the next thing you know it's available to you and you didn't have to know any of this stuff well that's what i'm doing so it's a great idea a tomato throwing game sounds fun before i start building it i have a few questions about the game mechanics how should the player aim and shoot the tomatoes do you want a keyboard arrows or you want to click to shoot do you want drag and release what's best well actually uh i want uh i want um paris to decide drag and release slingshot right that's how you would like yeah that's what we want okay should your picture the target move around or stay in one place.

1:49:08I think definitely it should move. Yeah. Do you have a picture ready to use as a target? Yeah. Don't you? You have a photo of yourself. Yeah. Okay. Submit answers. Okay. So now it's reticulating. Claude is funny. It has a lot of different verbs it uses for as it's working. Reticulating. Perfect. A slingshot style tomato game with a moving target. That'll be fun. let me build this for you it is now writing the game i love all this give it you didn't give it the photo well it's gonna ask at some point it it it prompts you it doesn't ah so it's gonna say okay i need that photo now let me let me uh let me get a photo from uh pretty fly for a sys guy has come up with a really good uh uh game box image for this game we made oh yeah i like this ahead of ourselves a little bit uh let's see copy image okay now i've got that image it's still thinking uh because this is complicated it's writing a whole game in python right now this is beautiful d cool oh wait a minute okay use of everything now here's the by the way here's the code you want to see it jeff sure because do you know any python no i don't know do you care no look at here's all the code i like where it says import math yeah import math good if i could do that my brain man if i could do that that was me at 10 a.m on monday when i had the flu and was trying to do basic you would have loved this i would have loved to have imported yeah i mean i think this is really cool now this isn't the only way you could do this google's got of course their new uh what is it called uh uh antipodes i can't remember what it's called anti-gravity uh there's uh okay codex will do this for chat gpt okay the tomato reset automatically after each shot first install pi game run the game and then you have to give it the path to your picture file okay good so it's done should we should we play the game sure yeah all right i want to see how you can you can get paris to play oh i don't have pip let me see do i have uv no i wish i knew what any of these words meant but i really enjoy also that i don't yeah pip is a python in uh of programming like pip pip cheerio so i have to install python i thought i would have had it on here but watch though this all happens very fast okay but as long as you can oh i have python okay i would think oh it's probably not in the past you ah it's pip three okay that's why you need pip pip and then the third needs to be a cheerio obviously not a typo there can't just have three pips that would be crazy

1:52:08i meant now i have to read some instructions oh that's the part we hate yeah come back here she keeps rubbing up against my legs and then running away when i try to hold her up to the camera she's being shy come here giz we haven't seen you for three weeks giz come here got her there she is you're not gonna do it you're so strong gizmo

1:52:39I'm really trying to get her to face the game what a cutie this cat interlude provided for you by good good this is too complicated i i have to install some python stuff but i but i will finish this after the show and by next week we'll have leo laporte tomato blast the ultimate we've still technically got a chance that darren okey is making this exact same game it'll probably be better but there is a game and it's ready to go i just i don't have the the programming it's schrodinger's game okay let me ask the question this way you've made the game how does paris plan it I would have to send it to her or I could take a bag on her put it on a floppy disk put the floppy disk in the baggie with some mimeographed instructions seal the baggie put it in an envelope mail it to her and she could do it that way if you wanted her to play with right now I would just I would email it to her it's a file it's a file okay she had to have installed Python no it's once I once I get this all set up she won't have to stop by thought all right fascinating I hope that we all get an email with this game before this night is out you will have I will write it better I won't do it in Python I'll write it I was going to say if we're if we're requesting features I think the tomatoes should explode when it hits the image view but that might be so that's what happens so I could play the game now and then I could go back to Claude and say you know I would like the tomatoes to explet much more aggressively on Leo's face um it's pretty impressive it really is um and and the thing is that's this is a more elaborate kind of thing than i do mostly little bits and pieces at a time like well please install a way for me to transcribe stuff or does clud know what a tomato looks like does it have image generation capabilities uh that's interesting yes you could use an mcp server to connect flood to well you could actually connect it to nano banana and say but so i wonder what you are throwing i don't know where it got the tomato that's a good question i don't know if it is a tomato would it know enough to ask and say i don't know what tomato is you have to tell me it knows what a tomato is but whether it cannot i don't know whether it can generate a tomato well that's a good question i should look and see if it might be a computer graphics tomato That'd be interesting.

1:55:15That would be pretty fun. It would have a reference. It can go and say, okay, tomato. Don't know what a tomato is. Let's see what a tomato is. Get a reference file and says, oh, that's what it looks like. And say, well, then I'd put dots here like this. I mean, it can do all of that. Yeah. I'm just imagining an ASCII art tomato being thrown at you. It's pretty uncanny what it can do. And I encourage people to try it. I really do. All right. i think i think we've got a debate whether satya nutella is right or wrong what does satya say line 130. all right let's go to line 130 right now oh satya says stop calling it ai slop right what does he say rebrand it we need to get beyond the arguments of slop versus sophistication you know it's a lot because because that's not like a high culture and low culture thing yeah it's uh there is a slop no one would deny that in fact the more we i think it's the opposite the more we define it and have norms against it the higher the quality will be because people will be motivated at some point not to do it anymore because i think we need to i think we need a new model of what ai is it's not we stop anthropomorphizing it but also stop expecting of it superhuman capabilities.

1:56:38It is a tool. It's like a computer. A computer can generate garbage and can generate great stuff. When we first got laser printers and fonts, people made documents that page layouts that looked horrible because they looked like ransom notes because they wanted to play with all the fonts. Is that slop? Yes. But does it mean that the computer, the laser writer and page by definition you you're conflating slop with thing that looks bad oh you say if a human does it it ain't slop correct it's just bad

1:57:17Slop specifically refers to it being machine generated. So, well, then I agree with Satya. I think that that is just because a machine generated is slop. I would agree with that. No, it's not. No, no, no. It's a Venn diagram. No, no, no. It's more of a Venn diagram. It's a specific, it's a subset of machine generation. there's a subset of AI generated uh images text that is slop because it is bad or nonsensical in a way that is inherently slop like not all AI stuff is slop but all slop is made by AI correct unless you're feeding it to pigs which is where the word came from in the first place yes grandpa

1:58:07i mean that's what slop was originally it was the food scraps that were slopped together and fed to pigs right so that's what i think of when i think of slop it's a it's a pejorative it's like this thing is it is a pejorative that's correct but it is uh as benito said it's kind of a rectangle square situation so from the conversation we're talking about ai all wrong so this is pablo sanguinetti he was a professor of ai uh in italy he has a book that is an italian called techno humanism a narrative and aesthetic design for artificial intelligence so he argues toward the end that we should um not we should avoid using ai as the subject of a sentence as an ai does this or yeah that's good i like it when it is being used as a tool and thus not anthropomorphizing Playing with the term AI also helps us see how much words can change our perception of technology.

1:59:05Try replacing it in a sentence with, for example, complex task processing. Hard to say. One of the least ambitious but most accurate names considered during early days. So rename it and rebrand it. Or expert systems. That's what AIs were originally. So I mentioned when we were trying to find some, I'm really glad we got who we got for the show today. but one of the people I mentioned is a guy named Thomas Haig, who's a historian of technology. He wrote a book on the history of computers, and he's writing one now on the history of AI as a brand. I think he'd be - Yeah, it's more of a brand, isn't it?

1:59:41That's a better way to think of it. And interestingly, he argues that, he was interviewed on another podcast I listened to, that with all of the pushback on AI right now, we might see these companies start to rebrand it themselves that they'll use other phrases for because they want to stay with my eye because you have people like the santas who are saying all the eye is evil right so here's a picture of me before jrpg style and here's a picture of me after this would be your icon in the corner of the screen thank you i like that the microphone got slopped so everything got slopped yeah that's good who did that anthony very good probably nano banana and yeah i think the prompt probably did say what did you say uh parasit i think it seems jrpg style yeah 16-bit yeah it's like um super nes yeah one of those old rpg games yeah yeah very nice i like it this is unleashing creativity from i think our tomato game is going to end up being pretty good i do think we have to re-contextualize ai because i i do think yeah because we ascribe so much to it we it's disappointing to people when it doesn't do the things that they are ascribing to it um well this is the whole agi thing there was a fascinating debate between uh leon lacun and um devis hasabas while we were gone and uh devis is still tour didn't they just didn't they debate before no that was i went to an event where was somebody else from deep oh okay debated with jan so demis is jan was saying it's not agi it's not general intelligence there is no such thing anyway um we're good at we as humans are good at some things bad at other things we're spiky so will ai be and i think he's right but But Demis is still chasing the AGI brass ring.

2:01:38No, no, no. We will have a general statement. We'll have a general machine. And so that's what DeepMind and OpenAI and Anthropic are still going after. And that's why I'm on Team Lacoon, because Jan is saying, no, we're going to have a whole bunch of specialized AIs that are going to do some stuff really, really well, far better than we do. We already have some protein folding. But the goal isn't to think that we're – it's to replicate us. and i think this this idea of replication has caused the industry huge problems because that's what's freaking people out yeah i think a lot of i mean it's one of the many issues that the industry is having right now is just that the promises that were initially made about what these products can and will imminently be able to do is just one not realistic but two is perhaps like not as interesting as what they're currently doing or have the capacity to do well i think that's what we heard from jason at the beginning of the show is you know i didn't see anything i want to buy i don't see anything that my friends would use it's still amazing it's still doing great things but it's being presented as if it's a um consumer cure-all uh and that's wrong way to brand it lisa was asking me and i actually don't know what the answer to this is she says i want to take a course about ai and i one of my thoughts was anything that is a by now a course is going to be outdated right that that you couldn't go to your local community college and take a course on ai that would be in any way timely well i have the answer for her on line 156 funny she should ask is it this the stanford uh lectures yeah yeah so i was thinking maybe sending this to her she wants to go to an actual class but these are stanford's uh ai courses from online.stanford.edu they post it on uh on youtube the great thing is it's taught by twins oh that's confusing did you have you watched this no no because i just lecture one transformers is Is the whole course on here or just?

2:03:50Yes, it is. The whole course. This is just, I couldn't find the page for it. So I just put up number one. They probably have a playlist somewhere. Yeah, I've been, you know, it's fun. You can get a college education on YouTube easily. I do a lot of MIT's open courseware stuff. Oh, wait a second. You should play it for just a minute because he has a - Can I put that on my resume? I took a MIT course. uh that's yeah you don't have a degree hello everyone and uh welcome to see me i just need to see him say i bet he uses cloud so my name is afshin i will be teaching this class with sherving who's in the back and uh and and sherving is his twin yeah if you look them up they're twins i think i just put a picture of them up i don't think yeah i would love it if they why aren't they both down there i know i want to be mirroring each other's movements throughout the entire yeah All right.

2:04:46CME 295 Transformers and Large Language Models. Yeah. I mean, that's going to be a good course. The question for Lisa is like, does she want to learn how to understand how they work? She wants to use them. So there is no real consensus on that. So how can anyone have a course? Like no one. Yeah. I don't know if there, I don't know if there is a good answer to that. There's lots of places you can learn about the underlying technology, but I don't. and one of jason's if you go to x you'll see a thousand posts oh yeah i have the 13 best prompts ever and you'll never need to know it again well here's another one is i should share with her because i still have one um nate b jones he have you watched any of his full videos no and i sent you i sent you and you said you wanted to get it and you didn't watch it they owe you i'm sorry i'm busy uh watching tomato oh i actually have seen this guy i like this guy he's really good what he has very short videos yeah i watched the shorts i didn't know the short ones the long ones are amazing and he he'll take you through how he made something with it yeah detail he's great that's kind of what you want he explained the grok beautifully it's 35 minutes of just an explanation i've been trying to get that's the one i watched i watched his grok explanation it was really good i thought right yeah he knows his stuff but he also does practical things like here's how he used nano banana to make a whole to put his life as a as a game board on a huge screen you know he does that kind of stuff it's like right he could make the problem is i mean these things are great because they give you ideas about how you can use it yes but the beauty of this is it's yours it's very it's highly personalized you you have it do exactly what you want it to do and what you need it to do now he has his own community on uh his website natebjones.com actually after you sent me that i thought about uh signing up for this i thought that this kind of looks kind of i'm paying 200 bucks for him um yeah and it's a lot of stuff so the other one is the jason heiners i signed up for his newsletters when we started the show yeah one of them is the first one is uh ideas about how to use this in business yeah there are that's what i think there's a lot of resources like that i think of course no people ask me for a book to read no that's going to be out of date by the time they put it on the paper there's just too much it's too broad it's like saying can you teach me uh computers it's really important again that you have that metaphor that i cannot drink this river it's impossible i can dip into it and i'm going to look for little things that i can use that i can try uh you know that i can uh tailor to my life and i think it's not a bad thing to start with well i want to can you help me with a to-do list or something like that or i've got to plan a wedding or maybe a new year's eve eve party and and and go from there but don't attempt to strength the whole ocean well on the news part of it i mean i irritate you everywhere putting tons of things into the rundown but that's how i learn yeah i see all the stuff going on no i don't it doesn't irritate me it's just i can't uh absorb it so i have to let you pick the stuff that you want to highlight because i i can't absorb it all um what is nate b jones background is he i don't know i don't think he's a technologist particularly he says ai strategist and product leader about uh anyway yeah i i was impressed i was impressed yeah the problem is there's a lot of snake oil going around too because it's the hot thing so there are a thousand people who say i can teach you everything you need to know and yeah a lot of there's horrible online conferences that one we made fun of a few weeks ago yeah i just saw another one being promoted gary v speaking at an ai conference yeah once it's become really no ai once it's become um a moneymaker stand back uh you're watching intelligent machines jeff jarvis paris martineau so glad to have you uh paris paris looks deep in thought sorry i'm back i'm back on tomato game i've gotten distracted no good see are you are you are you a vibe coding it now trying to good what are you using uh right now i'm using i'm using both chat gpt and claude claude yeah and we'll see that's another useful way to do it um is combining these things the others what a lot of the latest uh you know techniques involve creating sub-agents and mcp servers and having ais use other ais and and collaborating people are trying a lot of very interesting things it's a very vibrant and fertile area right now and i don't think there is any single pass at this point so no i need to install pillow but it's given me tomato game underscore pie okay pillow is pillow is probably like pie game it's another library that this is the this is the problem i ran into is now i've got to install a bunch of stuff.

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2:14:48There are a number of different nice tools out there that people, we've mentioned before, Studio LM, Jan is a nice tool. But anything LLM has just announced, the ability to add web searches to its models. So these are tools you can download anything LLM, you can download in Windows, Mac, Linux. It runs locally, you choose a model. So, you know, you have to you have to start with an AI that you can you can download. And there are many, many models out there. You can even just start with anything LLM's own stuff. But you can also and all of these are free there there are what we call open weights right deep seek gemma from google um mistral french ai company mama from straw i think you should say it guys i got my first result pack and it's from claude and it's you know the how we're discussing how claude can't really do image generation right is the tomato wrong i mean the tomato is right but the rest is a bit sad i'm posted can you share your screen uh no i just created it i think i published it it's well it's giving you entertainment it's i'm very entertained you need to click the link all right here it is let's see artifacts why it's kind of primitive now how do i shoot it oh there we go well that's a start it's flats You know, you like to see it.

2:16:22It's got your little mic there. I like how the tomatoes disappear after a while. I like that they do splat, though. I didn't even ask it to splat. I just said I'd like a tomato game. We're the world model. Ironically, the tomato, it's got. It put Club Twit there, which I didn't ask it to do either. You didn't ask it? I just knew. Oh, and it said aim for the Hawaiian shirt for maximum satisfaction. Oh, you're right. I was aiming for the head.

2:16:50I told it. Well, I originally said it. You know, it's quite satisfying, even as primitive as it is. It's pretty satisfying, right? Okay, Paris, you are a coder. There you go. I am, yeah. Wow. By the way, as primitive as it is, that's just the graphics. The rest of it's pretty sophisticated, actually. I mean, I think it's pretty good for... It's got collision detection. It's got sprites. It took about 45 seconds and zero follow-up questions. The club twit sign lights up from time to time. I'm not sure why. that's interesting i'm just happy it's there there's stuff going on i like that leo that cartoon leo just rocks gently back and side to side moving slightly that doesn't make it any harder he's unblinking but see you could then go in and say can you make the eyes blink every once in a while i think that would make it worse well you can play with it and say no i don't want the eyes to blink.

2:17:47Very nice. Well done. Good work. Very good. You're a nice job. Tomato toss, Leo edition. Look anywhere to throw tomatoes at your favorite tech podcaster. Did you put that in or did it? No, I, so my entire prompt was, well, let me see if I can go back here. That's pretty impressive actually that you did that in about five minutes. Yeah, exactly. Not even the amount of time I spent squinting at the screen was me trying to get Chad GPT to do it. i after you guys asked what's up also pasted in clud i texted create create a gooey game where you throw a tomato at my friend leo pictured and included a screenshot of you sitting in your chair wow and uh it was that's it that was it that was it so it saw the club behind him is that what it did yeah that's what that is that's it that's what that is

2:18:43you could say make it more realistic I'm sure it would do that oh let me see oh no we've lost Paris into coding you've done it you've done it you've brought her down into the vortex it's if nothing else it's a fun toy but I think it is a lot more than that I'm I'm very intrigued by it I'm saying make it more realistic and make Leo move wildly around the screen oh that's too hard now you made it too hard harvard has a whole bunch of online courses as well on ai that you can take for free i think oh yeah that i also yeah three blue one brown is an excellent youtube channel for learning about that they have a very good course on neural networks but i think what lisa's not looking for is how it works or you know what's the underlying technology but really how can I use AI?

2:19:37And that's a harder one to answer because it's so personalized. Krippy has put his... We're still in the experimental phase of all this. Like everybody needs to try stuff. Like that's the whole point right now is like everybody needs to try things. And then, you know, in a sense, it's like, it's really a SaaS product. It's not really for us. I think people are doing some pretty amazing things. Let's see. I mean, this Leo game. so here's uh golly is a drag and release to throw tomatoes let's see where's the tomatoes oh oh yeah i'm the tomato apparently i like that i think that's pretty good it doesn't make a bolt i don't know what bolt is but thank you guys very fun so we get we get everybody to do this you need to drag from where it says drag and release to throw tomatoes drag from there click and drag from there oh oh I see oh human error drag and release so you've got to drag back I think maybe right yeah so do there's a tomato look there's a tomato now you're right I'm I'm dragging them the wrong way.

2:20:59I don't have a lot of drag room. You got a score.

2:21:06My screen's too short. I can't get the tomatoes. The slingshot needs to be higher. Yeah. Whoa.

2:21:18It's counting as getting you, even when it doesn't hit you.

2:21:26well it's fun and we just need a little bit more uh uh play for the yes all right but those are real tomatoes now is bolt an ai product galia all right we're going to try one more time did you did you is it better no it's way worse i i again i said make it more realistic and make leo move wildly around just a black blob now but there is a boom when the tomato hits me direct hit where's leo i don't know i like that there's a leo speed in the corner juicy up top it says oh i could turn the speed down maybe quicker can i turn the speed down i don't think so i think that's just for you that's just just for you to know that he could be fast combo oh no it goes faster the more you hit it it gets faster the more you hit it oh no oh no combo four combo boom combo five i'm getting good at this box is too big the hitbox is way too big i don't think i'm not even yeah that's okay i want a big hitbox oh the hitbox is too big you're right but you tell it i like that sometimes it says got him.

2:22:46I like the icon that happens when you throw the tomato. It slowed him down. Whoa. Splat. Boom. Combo. You're going to see a lot of these on App Store and other places. Anthony just said in chat, it reminds me of the old Flash game days. Flash games? Back in the day. These are Flash games. Alright, is this slop? Game slop. I mean you wrote it it's game slap it is the sense of his game slot but I love it game swap is derogatory or slop is derogatory oh I can see it seems it bounces off the old tomatoes so I can I can slow it down by giving I can I can reign it in oh and again like what you made a good game that's fun how much would you pay for this yeah it's pretty good pretty good tomato toss he's quick but are you quicker okay this is great video guys yeah this is this is not yeah we are sorry sorry people out there let us uh let us get to the picks of the week what do you say you're watching uh intelligent machines with our new slop creator paris martineau and Jeff Jarvis, who does nothing but writes amazing books like the Gutenberg Parentheses.

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2:25:38Apply advanced research directly to your organization while earning a respected doctorate from anywhere with a fast track option for MBA holders. Tap to learn more about elevating your influence, your credibility and your career with Kelly's program. Learn more at kelly.iu.edu. you uh all right ladies and gentlemen I think this would be a good time to get our picks of the week and as always I will start with Paris smart no you know I said that because I cannibalize my picks the week that I was going to use a tomato based Leo games which you also cannibalized as well so I'm gonna do a little bit of double dipping here um we talked about this bit in the pre-show, but I had the flu over the weekend, but am here recording this podcast thanks to the wonders of modern medicine and Tamiflu.

2:26:32And I found this article from Bloomberg today really interesting about the fact that Tamiflu, which is an antiviral to stop the, I guess, replication of the flu virus, is now in short supply in lots of parts of the U.S. because this bout of the flu is hitting the u.s so badly um they talk to kind of some different pharmacists uh around is there a name for this flu i i think it's h i think it's crappy n3 or h2n3 yeah it's not a good one yeah And it's like, it's a cluster. It's H3N2 called clod K. Oh, well. Not clod. Well. Well, and part of the reason why this flu in particular is so bad that is whenever they decide on the flu vaccine, they have to decide what kind of specific sub target or I guess like submutation of a flu.

2:27:37they're going to target that vaccine ahead of time because they have to manufacture it and they chose a different one um so they didn't get the right variant yeah they didn't have the right it was a year ago practically that they had yeah i mean you gotta you gotta decide early on this sort of stuff and uh that wasn't right um so now this flu strain that um already is kind of mutated is spreading like wildfire. So I don't know, one would recommend getting the flu vaccine regardless, because I think it's still useful. I had the flu vaccine. I partially attribute that to my fast recovery, but also make sure you ask your doctor about getting Tamiflu if you end up getting the flu, because it really helps.

2:28:23But it really, really helps if you start within 12 hours of symptoms like I did, because then it stops it from multiplying and shortens your symptoms by three days. And if you get COVID, now you got, I didn't even know this existed. You got a test that is both a COVID test and a flu test. You know, I didn't know it existed either until Friday when I was feeling bad and I was on the couch and I was like, I guess I'm out of COVID tests. I guess I'm going to DoorDash a COVID test to me. Wait a minute, you ordered it on DoorDash? Yes, because it was Friday and I live alone and how else was it going to get you?

2:28:54And they go, yeah, you don't want to go out and get it. I also couldn't find any of my masks. I was like, I don't want to get anybody sick and I was like well I guess if I'm gonna get a COVID test why not get a combo COVID flu test sure and a Nestle's Crunch bar I understand a Nestle's Crunch bar and that made all the difference another one I just see you know I'm gonna get a test let me get a crunch bar too I mean, I thought about it. I should have gotten two, honestly. You feel better. It looks like a normal COVID test, but instead of one window where you wait for a line, there's two, and one of the windows has a control line area as well as a line for flu A and a line for flu B.

2:29:46So did you have flu A or flu B? Flu A. Flu A. That's actually great because the COVID symptoms overlap, the flu symptoms. and you i mean it's ideal what you had yeah because if you had covid you'd take paxlovid if you had the flu you'd take theraflu i know in both cases i was like i'm starting that immediately yeah because it really helps love it works too by the way it really works as well i've taken that um yeah except for it does make your mouth taste like metal but that's a reasonable side effect um in my opinion my other uh flu season recommendation would be bobca from zaybars which one of my friends dropped off for me you can get it delivered yourself it was chocolate bobca um zaybars oh that's good they ship it so i know they do i've had it shipped to me by the way i have literally it's delicious from zaybars and from zingerman's which is another great place to get your bobca and i learned because my friend who dropped off supplies to me is gluten-free they have gluten-free bobca as well so you know celiacs get it it's better with gluten though yeah definitely i'd agree every most things are did you see one of the things that ces was a gluten detector you can carry with you oh god i bet it's just a little i have a gluten detector it's my wife i was going to say does a piece of food look appetizing it probably has gluten and lastly happy birthday to nicholas cage you're oh you're 62 today wow maybe next november we can have a we can all have a nick of a nick of him no i mean i think we should all at least watch one nick cage movie in the club and i did that's a good idea you could pick the movie yeah great i included in the rundown under my picks the week a photo of nick cage's pyramid which is where he's going to be buried he bought a pyramid he bought a pyramid in 2010 he purchased two plots in a cemetery in new orleans to construct a large marble pyramid uh is he is he of the thinking that that will preserve his body that's what i don't know but he's got on uh on it says omnia ab uno i don't know what that means but all all from one all from one everything from one that's the opposite of a plural bassoonum no it's the same from one many many one oh i'm i'm good for that he's a he's a impulse buyer though he buys a lot of weird stuff that's why he makes so many movies that's why he makes so many movies this was i believe during the period where i like to refer to it as nick cate is pyramid debt period but i'm not sure if the pyramid actually put him into debt but it was a period where he's making so many wild purchasing decisions such as exotic animals a lot of snakes i think there was an island or two in there that he had to make a lot of some might say uh less highbrow movies god bless him you know what if you're gonna be a rich movie star spend money on weird things yeah this is by the way in the famousst louis number one cemetery yeah instead of bugging us i will also um i will read one of my favorite nick cage quotes look at the kisses people have planted on the uh as they should um this is an interview he with playboy magazine in 1996 playboy says nick cage your salary is shooting up to the multi-millions per movie reportedly four million to seven million do these numbers make you chuckle nick cage i don't chuckle i have respect for the dollar I don't chuckle.

2:33:26I don't chuckle. I have respect for the dollar. I have respect. All right, your pick of the week, Mr. Jeff Jarvis. Okay, so I guess I'm going to do this one. This one, so I finally bought a new phone. I finally opened it and installed it. It's a Google 10 Pixel XL. Oh, good. Oh, good. How do you like it? It's fine. It's nice. It's just a phone. It's just a phone. Yeah. it's it's it's but so my daughter got a new phone for christmas and i was going into the uh the apple store with her and she was doing the trade-in because we got a lot of money for the trade-in it's a good deal yeah and uh no we had to sit there and wait while the whole thing transferred over and then while it uploaded we sat there for two hours two hours in the apple store they gave us a chair once why did you do that because why did you go home and do it no they wouldn't let you you have to stay here what we're imprisoned we were we were kidnapped by the tackled you yes wait a minute you got an what this isn't even the story we she traded in her phone for a new iphone and they made her transfer it over and it made her uh stay there she had them transferred over instead of her doing it herself which you could easily no no they wouldn't let her because they I said, you have to give us the phone when it's all transferred over.

2:34:47You have to leave. She traded it in. You don't own it anymore. We own it. All right. Right. So then I also got her a screen protector. That's not a good user experience, I got to say. It's not. Yeah. They're coming over looking at us once in a while. Like, hey, we're still here. We're just sitting there in the Apple store like we're vagrants, right? What a annoying. So in the old days, I used to do that, right? It was the only place to get Wi-Fi in the city. I'd go sit in the Apple store. Anyway, so I got her a screen protector. And the screen protector now, if you've seen this, is they put it in this device.

2:35:14a machine yeah and it pulls out and then it comes out so we did that that was fine we're back to the car and she'd bought a um a case in best buy put the case on boom ruined the screen protector oh my god we just spent two and a half hours an hour nightmare back nightmare experience we go you don't need a screen protector you don't need a case i've been carrying around this phone raw loose for years and it's fine you're a very responsible you have done i'm not i drop this thing every single day paris i dropped i've dropped this phone probably three times today wow and it's well they make them strong now so we go back in they say oh this is this is apple is it good this okay no no that's not good so they put on a new screen protector i watch the thing goes do you have to pay for it again no no no no they do it they have to go through their you know, bureaucracy.

2:36:06I said, you put the case on now. Put the case on, ruins it again. So my daughter, bless her, says, I'll just buy a case here. We'll return that one to Best Buy. Clearly bad. She gets a clear case, puts it on. It works this time. So I, with my phone, I thought, well, should I get a screen protector? You're right, Paris. I didn't have one before. I thought I'll get one. And I saw this amazing thing online. This is going to be a confession

2:36:30from Toras. and it's, it comes with a little device with the protector and stuff, just like the Apple thing. You put it in there and you put it in and you pull it out and then it's supposed to work. And so there's video of this. You can watch it. So I, I'm, this is my stupidity moment. I'm really stupid. I, I, then it says, take this thing off your phone, which I did. Right. And there's this thing still around my phone that has a tab on the top and it's too big in the bottom and well this is bad so i email the company i say this doesn't work i want a refund and i take the thing with the tab off saying well that just took a whole thing off and it had left the screen protector on perfectly absolutely perfectly that's the whole point i had no idea that's the applicator but as could be that was the applicator i now have a beautifully produced so i i wrote back to the company I said I'm sorry and I was wrong email 20 times a day but they're doing it's a Chinese company and everything was through uh god knows what deep seek translate and they got no idea what it was so I just said I'm very sorry it works very well so that was my little confession of Jeff's old age to pin here well good for you they a lot of the screen now come with applicators because they realized no one can put these on.

2:37:59No, they can't. You can't. You really have to have them. And it's really nice. The screen product is very good. It's placed it perfectly. It's quite nice. Does it feel like plastic, though? No, it doesn't. No. No, they're glass now. The whole point of the story is I didn't realize it was on there. They're tempered glass. I didn't know it was there. Only when I finally looked at the end, I said, oh, oh, it left it. Oh, that's how it works. Yeah. Yeah. It's two hours later. So this is... my pick of the week was inspired by the rpg thing this is floor 796 this is a project by a russian guy he's been making this since 2018.

2:38:38it is a massive massive gif which is you know it is because 796 are the alphabetic letters for g i and f it is supposedly floor 796 yeah it's a giant animated gif and it's just one yeah he adds to it all the time and there's a lot of easter eggs in it wait let me see if i could find claude van damme because he will who uh claude van damme you can click on people and they some of them do things yeah there we go you saw that one did something let me see if i find claude that's a very weird thing going on in that room down there oh it's it's all stuff from movies there's a handle these are all references yeah these are all references yeah oh it's all stuff real stuff from movies and stuff um and he even has some easter eggs if i could ben affleck smoking there's a the a tardis a tardis um oh now where where oh well i can't find him uh let me let me click the menu oh this is i know why this is when i downloaded so i don't even getting any help but it's a lot of fun floor 796.com it's a russian guy look there's the showers uh the mummy jumps out of the locker room uh russian guy's been making this for eight nine years now jesus i mean waldo's got to be in here somewhere there waldo's in there if you find waldo click on him i can't remember where he is but yes oh yeah very good it looks like a where's waldo doesn't it ah there's there's john claude here he is not waldo though he's just waiting he's saying come here boy no that's chuck norris boom that's chuck i'm sorry chuck norris yeah oh he punches you in the glass so it's really kind of god that's what the internet used to be all about this is what the internet used to be old internet yep doesn't it it's just fun i just like it i'm glad that uh i don't know what's going on here but it's kind of weird oh that's a holodeck i think yeah uh floor 796 of a space station there's a lot of stuff going on he's adding to it it's not done he says in fact it's only about 59 done uh you can turn on wandering it'll wander for you if you if you if you don't you just want to have it like as a screensaver or something that would no no floor 796.com peak old internet exactly briggs exactly uh but click on them because there are a lot of little easter eggs in here i think he has a list somewhere of all the different easter eggs ladies and gentlemen no ai create this is slop without the ai actually so fresh this is art that's not that's art no this is art i think this is art somebody's done a lot of yeah no this is art i thought you're talking with the podcast no i would the podcast is not fresh homegrown slop we do this show on wednesdays i hope you'll join us free slot gluten-free slop we do it at 1400 uh pacific time 1700 u east coast time uh 2200 no 2300 utc if you want to watch it live you can It's on Twitch.

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2:43:57Martino is at the Consumer Reports where she covers food safety it's true I saw a bunch of radioactive shrimp memes over the holiday and I thought about you I thought wow that's still got legs we need to do a radioactive Shrimp game, yeah. Oh, throw radioactive shrimp at Leo. Yeah. And maybe some lead-based protein powder, if you're really feeling mean. Maybe. Maybe, maybe. Thank you, everybody. We love you. It's good to see you. Happy New Year from the Intelligent Machines gang, and we'll see you next week. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. I'm not a human being. Not into this animal scene I'm an intelligent machine