Be Mean to Fascists

34:36And some people scoff at you when you say it, but it's a toxic masculinity that kind of comes with Donald Trump, supporting Donald Trump. There's, I think, a good way to be a man, like to operate in society, treat people well. And the bad way is everything that Donald Trump embodies, right? This, you know, this kind a gendered society where you can only do X, Y, and Z if you're a woman or a man and you have to fit this certain mold, which by the way, Donald Trump doesn't fit any of that. You know, he claims to be all healthy and look at him. I mean, you know, he wears a full face and makeup every single day and he's anti-drag queen.

35:09You know what I mean? It's just JD Vance with the eyeliner. But in that vein, Harry, I read this article and I thought it was really interesting. So I've really been reading a lot and talking to this professor from NYU named Ruth Ben and she talks about the strong man and how he has to project a certain level of masculinity and this misogyny and homophobia are these main components of these autocrats. And the reason in that AI video that they picked you and you personally wasn't arbitrary. It was by design to send a signal to other young progressive white men that they were pussies and or a piece of shit or we will shit on you.

35:54It was totally a part of the authoritarian script in that stupid AI video to personally pull a young, white, male, popular liberal. It wasn't just arbitrary. Do you know anything about that or have you read that same article? I can't remember where I read that, but I thought it was fascinating. No, that sounds fascinating. And if you get the opportunity, send us it afterwards. I'd love to read it. But I don't have any background information on what Trump's thinking was when posting the video. I've tried. I've reached out to journalists who I know, and I'm like, can you please ask him or ask a source in the White House what the thinking was?

36:37And nobody's done it yet, which I think is yet another failure in our media. But aside from that, yeah, I mean, I think you're right. I think there's two main points. I think it's you know targeting young straight white men who are meant to be their base and so when they see someone like myself or my peers not falling in line they think oh we're just going to attack them and intimidate them and whatever i think that's a really good point but i also humiliate humiliation ritual yeah exactly right and coming from the guy with the largest audience in the united states the president right sitting in this huge office attacking a private citizen who's like 60 years his junior or whatever it might be.

37:14So I think that's correct. And also the broader point in my view on this video is the attack on free speech. It's not just about me. I happen to be in the video, but there are plenty of people behind me in Manhattan protesting against him. And I think what Trump did with that video is make it abundantly clear how he feels about dissent and people saying, well, you can go fuck yourself. Right. And I do think it's interesting to point out that he has become so unattractive and so advanced in his senior citizen dementia era that he really has to be photoshopped quite a bit. Because to admit this strong man thing, he's out of shape.

37:55He has a pot belly. He has cankles. He has bruises on his hands. He has a neck vagine. You know, his hair is like a swirly thing. So their only option is to Photoshop him. And if you notice, they Photoshop him in these homoerotic type roles. And I was talking to a couple of my gay friends over the weekend, and they said about the fighter pilot thing that it was very gay, that a lot of gay men at Halloween. And of course, this is anecdotal evidence. Their go to costume is the Top Gun outfit. And so all roads always seem to lead back to this internalized homophobia with these MAGA men. And again, we are huge allies of the LGBTQ plus movement.

38:45And if somebody is passively having to live their life in the closet, all of the empathy and grace and support to those people. But these fuck twats are actively, actively, you know, demeaning the LGBTQ plus community, marginalizing, grifting off of them. And in the case of Lindsey Graham or Moses Mike Grinder Johnson or J.D. Vance, and this is just my opinion, and I've read about it on Elon Musk's free speech website, that they're fetishizing these people that they demean and weaponize against during the day. They're fetishizing those at night. And you can look no further to where just where bulks of them go and grinders crash and left and right.

39:29And so I think it's interesting how they game up a lot in these videos. Yeah. I mean, that is such a good point. And also, you know, every time there's a major Republican gathering, it's just coincidental that grinder crash. You know, I'm not here to speculate right i'm not here to speculate as to what's taking place there but that's a really good point and you see it on the white house uh twitter account instagram whatever social media page they post these really weird photos of donald trump like riding a horse with a tank behind him he's putting american flag it's so strange and in addition to that i get republicans in my comments on twitter especially making ai videos of me a straight white guy with other men with other like elected officials or and i'm like look you know i say this to my friends uh you know if you're if you're taking time out of your day to go into an ai bot and be like uh take harry sisson and make him make out with another man gay right there's something and again we're big allies there's something you got to be honest about here you know right you're lying to yourself you're lying to there's no and if you have that in your phone you're storing it of these you know people in social media doing this stuff that look, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna expect, but you gotta be honest with yourself.

40:46There's something, something taking place. I just think if you look at how much that party talks about the LGBTQ plus community, they get triggered by rainbow flags. Yes. And you were talking about, they were triggered by Billie Eilish or Taylor Swift, but also throw in bad bunny. You know, these people operate from a position of fear. They're scared of a straight white progressive. They're scared of the now liberal white women are ruining democracy. They're scared of bad bunny. They're scared of comedians. They're scared of Cracker Barrel. They're scared of the little mermaid. And we can go on and on.

41:25Yes. I've had it ladies. These people, their default setting is this debilitating fear, yet they have to project this crazy masculinity that's so toxic. And then when you start deep diving into this, one of their big influencers, Benny Johnson, kind of outed himself with the gay cruise thing. And I just think, and I'm an interior designer when I'm not a podcaster, so I've hung around a gaggle of gay men my entire adult life. They don't talk about gay shit as much as MAGA talks about gay shit. It's just, it's unbelievable. And that's so fascinating that they make AI videos of you doing gay stuff because clearly that's, you know, that's the shame and the repressed sexuality is a huge component, I think, of this regime.

42:16If you are ever bored one night and you just want to look into the mind of these MAGA losers, just go into my Twitter comments and you'll see AI photos of me in this skin-tight leather. I'm going to do it the minute we finish recording. It's not going to be bored. I'm going to prioritize this to the top of my to-do list, Harry. My comment section, Twitter is the worst platform. Obviously, it's run by this weirdo, Musk, who's constantly high. But yeah, if you just take a look at my Twitter, you will see the craziest, most unimaginable shit in there that any sane person that is functioning in society would not be able to think of.

42:57They're just freaks. They're freaks. Right. Like a normal person is not rolling around thinking about putting Harry Sisson in, you know, Lycra. A unitard. A unitard. And the AI video, I mean, the AI, who sat there? I want to know who sat there and put But Donald Trump in a fighter jet shitting on Harry Sisson and other people. I need to know who came up with that prompt and what they've been diagnosed with that makes them so weird and something and act in this way. It's crazy. Oh, I know. I know. I know what they're diagnosed with. These are religious addicts that probably have some sort of sexual shame.

43:36And then oftentimes when they're not praying, they find themselves on Pornhub and they're looking at things that they think might be sinful. and it's just this, you know, this crazy, crazy pattern. And I think a lot of these people think, okay, we can do all of this stuff, particularly like Moses, Mike grinder, Johnson, and some of the Supreme court justices who have been just so fundamentally disappointing. I always think what's the, what's the rub because everything they're doing is so anti-Christ like. And I think that they think they've been such personal failures for themselves and they have so much guilt and shame from their religion that they think okay i can do all this stuff gay stuff and other stuff fly crazy flags and do all this mean stuff if i deliver america to jesus and i think that's literally what they believe i think that's kind of what we're dealing with is this crazy christian cult and listener if you're a christian light you know i'm not talking about you but every religion has these fanatics and america has a crazy christian problem yeah yeah i mean totally and In addition to that, I also think we have just these, I think a lot of America's problems can be boiled down to very small, very insecure, egotistical men in power.

44:48I really, really believe that. I think they have self-confidence issues. They have never been happy in their own skin. They have never accepted who they are, whether they be gay, straight, whatever, whoever they are. They've never accepted who they are. They've always been unhappy. And they take that sadness out on other people. And I think Donald Trump is that kind of narcissistic psychopath. But I also fundamentally believe that Trump is incredibly unhappy. And then he takes anger out on other people. What about Stephen Miller? What do you think about him? You think he's a sociopath? Here's what I want for Stephen Miller.

45:23Yes. And here's what I want for Stephen Miller. The White House has been talking about this UFC event that they're going to have for the 250th anniversary on the White House lawn. I boxed for four years. I want to fight Stephen Miller at the UFC event. I want them to make it happen. Get me in there with Stephen Miller. He talks such a big talk on Twitter. And I want these elected officials participating in this UFC event on their front lawn. And I would happily, I choose Stephen Miller. I bid on Stephen Miller for the fight, please. That's what I want. Harry, I love it. And I support it. Okay, let's shift gears here really quick.

45:55And before you came on, we were talking about MAGA is what MAGA is. And there are dipshits and fuck twats and all the stuff we talk about. And you can rinse and repeat and they do the same shit over and over because they're painfully unoriginal. Right. But when it gets to the Democrats, I am really, really frustrated, not with all, but with a lot in leadership that they are ambiguous about positions that they need to have. and that I feel like they are compromised by the same entities that paid hundreds of millions of dollars to get Trump elected, which is AIPAC, paid the exact same amount that Elon Musk paid.

46:42And when we ask them direct questions about this, we get bullshit answers. And I can't think of anything more toxic that a Democrat could do right now would be to take donations from Elon Musk, who gave over$300 million to Trump to get him elected. AIPAC gave over$300 million to Kanks to get him elected. And somehow we're crazy or anti-Semitic or just don't get it if we call them out on that. And I just am at my wits end with it. And so I want to know what your take is on that. Yeah, well, I first of all loved, and I like Cory Booker. for the record. I like him too. But I loved your clip with him.

47:30You know, if you know what I'm talking about, where you talk to him about this and he kind of, again, I love Cory Booker, please don't hate me, where he was kind of gave that politician-esque answer when you asked him about this. And Jennifer, you were just like, that's total bullshit. You know what I mean? That's just total bullshit. And I really appreciate that. And I think that's kind of the way we have to approach it. I think going into 2028 or even 2026, there should not be a single Democrat who takes money from APAC if they want to win. They can do the risk return calculation in their head as, I can take this money and put X amount of advertisements out, but it is so toxic for the brand now.

48:08It's not just taking the money. Taking the money is one thing, but then they get on your show or other people's show. Then when they're asked about it, they give that kind of bullshit answer. People who are frustrated right now in our base can see right through it. And they don't want that. They don't want the tiptoeing, dancing around. They want the authenticity. And so, no, I mean, I agree. I just don't think that going into any future election, any Democrat can take it until further notice, at least. I agree. And I like Cory Booker too. But I feel like at this stage in this coup, that you have to be the most credible messenger that you can be.

48:46And if your response to a podcaster is, oh, these purity tests. And it's like, it's not a purity test, dude. We just see you being hypocritical about something and we want to call you out. And I think Democrats like Cory Booker, Hakeem, Chuckles, they need to do more podcasts and they need to put themselves through the grinder. We have all these nicknames for all of them. I just love them. I love it. Go ahead. They need to put themselves through the grinder and this is what MAGA does. And if you misstep and you realize, oh shit, that didn't play very well. I need to relook this, take another look at this and it makes you a better candidate and it makes us a better political party.

49:28That's the epicenter of democracy, feedback. And then here's another thing I'm noticing about the Democrats. Like I feel like our party, we need to be the party of evolution. And I'm not talking about the Charles Darwin type. I'm talking about like, okay, we did the whole corporate thing after citizens united it fucked the working class it left this vacuum we need to get off that tit we thought it was going to be okay and we thought we could be pretty good at capitalism because republican presidents that always tank the economy not us so we always had that but we're leaving this vacuum and grifters like marjorie taylor green can fill it or tucker carlson who i believe is going to run for president can fill it and we need to evolve and say, okay, that wasn't good.

50:11We're going to have to stop. And I feel like the democratic establishment now reads like conservative, like that they want to preserve that system, like they're preservationists. And I, not all of them, there's some that I just like, Bernie, loving AOC, love Crockett, love it. You know, there's some that I'm just like, love, love, love. But the ones that are in charge, just like, what can we do to get them to not be in charge. Yeah, I mean, I mean, exactly. I, you know, we're just in such a weird moment with our leadership right now, where it really feels, I think, for average people that if you are a Democrat, you know, lifelong Democrat and voting Democrat, that they don't feel like number one, they're voting in favor of what you want to happen.

50:55But also, number two, they're not standing up for you in the sense that they're not fighting against Trump. They're not standing up to these corporate PACs or this corporate money saying we don't you know, this is not us. And I think you made a good point on the vacuum that's left. If we, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are fully on the side of, we're going to take money from all these huge corporations and we're going to use it to run our campaigns. People are not stupid. They will see that. And they'll be like, well, none, these parties are the same. They're pissing me off. And that's why both parties have such low approval ratings.

51:25And then you have, as you mentioned, someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene, who can take the populist approach, who has a big national figure, who's also Looney tunes and to average people, he might sound sane. And that's, you know, it's, it's, we, we cannot allow that. We are shooting ourselves in the foot constantly. And it is so frustrating. I know you guys feel that frustration too, but it's just these, these missteps that we're making that are allowing these grifting losing. I will be nice. These fuckers to win, you know, that's what I like, Carrie. And you know, that's the thing about the Marjorie Taylor green.

51:57If you look at what she's doing right now, it's very politically savvy. We all know not to fall for it but if you're a troll online and you you're mainly looking at cats or whatever and then all of a sudden something political pops up in your algorithm and then you hear her say something that makes sense but you're not a political junkie like the three of us and you're like oh well she doesn't seem to be as crazy as she used to be and you live in a flyover state where pumps and i are from and people are heavily indoctrinated to be republicans you'll vote for a crazy republican more than a saying Democrat any, any, any day.

52:32And I think that Democrats operate under what I call assumption politics. We assumed in 2016 that Hillary would win. We assumed in 2024, when it was high times at the DNC, when we didn't say hi to each other because we were having too much fun at those creator lounges, we assumed these people saw what happened on January 6th and they're not going to vote for him. And right now the Democratic leadership is assuming that people are going to think Marjorie Taylor Greene and Tucker Carlson are too crazy, but they haven't learned their lesson. People will vote for a crazy Republican. Her all of a sudden, like you said, her interest in healthcare and this message that she has, we're not America first.

53:18It seems like we're Israel first. Why do they get healthcare? And why do they have higher education? To a person that lives in fly over America. When they hear that, that is going to hit hard as fuck. Her intention is not based on human rights and that she sees genocide and her heart is broken. Her intentions are that she's a Christian nationalist, anti-Semite, who thinks the Jews need to be in Israel in order for the rapture to happen. She's a rapture prepper. That's why she's saying that. But the Democrats are getting outflanked constantly right now by Tucker and by Marge because the leadership takes AIPAC money, the same fuckers that spent the same amount as Musk, the Heil Hitler guy, to get Kanks elected.

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55:15can. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's so it's just so frustrating to watch. Like it's infuriating. I wake up angry every day at these people who are in power meant to be representing us in our party, by the way. And I love a lot. You're right. I love a lot of these Democrats, to be clear. But a lot of them are just not they don't get it. They don't get it. That's what I feel like there's a little bit of a disconnect between folks like us and average Americans and voters and and these people who've been in Congress for so long and I get how that disconnect can happen there's probably a big bubble in DC where you get in and you don't realize you're in the bubble but it's it's it's there and you know just and Marjorie Taylor Greene is working I guarantee it I don't I'm not saying this for sure I guarantee she's working with these really savvy consultants who are telling her you know some of the two biggest issues in America right now are the Middle East, where everybody is paying attention, whether you're politically involved or not.

56:08We've all seen horrific videos on our algorithms that just break your heart, right? That's a big issue. And then healthcare, these two big issues. So we want you to just be the outlier in the Republican Party and frame yourself as a populist who cares about the people and get out there and just spread that message. And as soon as she did that, yeah, she's going on The View. She's going on Bill Maher. She's going on CNN. She's doing all these places you would have never seen Marjorie Taylor Greene before. And now, unfortunately, as you mentioned, you have these people who are not so politically savvy, which I understand.

56:39They have jobs. They have families. They've got to focus on themselves. Well, Marjorie Taylor Greene, she doesn't sound so crazy anymore. And that route right there that we're talking about, the positions at Marjorie Taylor Greene, those are positions on those two topics, at least, that we, the Democratic Party, should be getting out there and spreading. We should be the one saying, yeah, we got to extend ACA subsidies and we have to make that our entire thing right now. We got to talk about the Middle East and the atrocities we are seeing and be honest about that, not say, well, you know, it's a war and it's both sides.

57:09No, no. Right. And so we can't see ground to somebody like Marjorie Taylor Greene, who is so loyal to Donald Trump and so crazy on the inside, no matter what her seven figure consultants are telling her to say. Yeah. Her seven figure consultants seem to have a better pulse on the message than the Democratic consultants. And that's that sentence right there. I'm so infuriating. It's so infuriating that that is the case. And, you know, this was this was part of one of my other I've had it's but I'll just I'll just segue. Let's hear it. Like the I've had it with weak Democrats. That's what it is.

57:46We're kind of talking about that right now. I've had it with weak Democrats. And one of my main points, and I was talking to people about this yesterday, is myself and my peers, we've never met Ken Martin. We've never talked to Ken Martin, the DNC chair. He's never reached out to creators like me to talk about the messaging or anything like that. He's never reached out to my peers. And one of the facts that I learned about Ken Martin, which was really astounding, was one of the first things he did when he got into the DNC chair position was give himself a raise. From$300 ,000 to$350 ,000. means that means he's making double what any member of Congress is making, number one.

58:22And also number two, for the first time in a long time, the Republicans have raised more money than us. We are strapped for cash as a party. And Ken Martin gave himself a raise. And I think Ken Martin has done some great stuff as DNC chair. But it's these we're talking these little missteps that are seen. Is he the one? Is he the guy that poo pooed David Hogg? he must have been part of it i can't speak to whether he was the main guy uh because i didn't really follow the internal discussion there all that all that closely but i imagine he was part of it i mean he's the dnc chair yeah yeah i just i don't i i've seen him speak a couple of times and i just feel like you know one of the points that cory booker made in the episode is he said people don't know who chuck schumer is and i'm just like fair enough i get that they don't But I thought about it after that episode and I thought everybody in America should know who the minority Senate leader is because everybody knew who Mitch McConnell was.

59:20Everybody fucking knew who that motherfucker was. That's right. We all knew because he made sure we knew. And everybody should know who the DNC chair is right now. Everybody should know who the House minority leader is right now. These are layups to start speaking at the podium. And again, these guys are dorks. These are insecure, emotionally stunted cosplayers. You got Kash Patel, who was tweeting about his girlfriend last week, that she was a great American and a great country singing sensation. And she's done more for this country than anybody could do in 10 lifetimes. she's fucking 26 and so it's just like cash but his girlfriend yeah how old is he i don't know late 30s early 40s but just the fact just the fact that he thinks she's accomplished so much for the country it's just so i mean these people are so idiotic okay all right harry let's move on and play our game you're gonna love it it's called had it or hit it you're gonna love it everybody loves it oh my god welcome to had it or hit it i would hit it i hit it every day sometimes twice a day okay all right had it or hit it ai videos oh i've had it i've had it i did you know the ai video that truck that put me over the edge i thought you know maybe you know some people let the let the boomers enjoy their ai videos and that's not to hate on the boomers.

1:00:59I love the boomers, but let them enjoy their AI videos and things like that. Now I'm fucking over it. Uh, we, we gotta, we gotta have some regulation there. I've had it with those. Yeah. Tell me where you were when you saw that, did somebody send it to you or did you, were you in your own phone and you saw it? No, I was, I was watching. So it was no King's day. It was just after the protests. I'd gotten home. I'd been home for a couple hours and it was Alabama, Tennessee. I was watching college football and a friend of mine sent me a truth social link, which when that happens, there's something wrong.

1:01:32You know, nobody's on truth social. Nobody's on that health site. If you're sending a truth, there's something going wrong. And my friend said, you know, I think if I'm correct, you're in the president's AI video. And that was the text they sent me. And I, without even clicking on the link, I looked at it and I was, no, come on. Trump is crazy. He is off his rocker. He is suffering from cognitive decline, but there's no way he's attacking a 23 year old on social media. that's just come on and so i click on the link and then what do you know there's this ridiculous ai video and i had to watch it a couple of times to process what i had just seen and realized that this is actually coming from the guy with the nuclear codes right then you know i think my reaction was just disbelief initially what a dipshit what a dipshit yeah yeah yeah we upgraded We upgraded dipshit to fuck twat because as the fascism escalates, we feel like our profanity should escalate along with it.

1:02:29Dipshit didn't seem satisfactory. No, I don't think so. That was so wild when I saw that AI video of you because I had been at the No Kings March in New York. Pumps was at the one in Houston. Oh, no way. Yeah. And then I went and looked at like, you know, because I'm like, I wanted to see the aerial footage because when you're in the march, you don't, you feel like it's big, but you don't really know. So I was actually on the internet. I think probably Instagram. That's really the only social media website I get go on classic Gen Xer. And, um, it popped up and I was like, no fucking way. And then I'm going to find that article for you about them use the people.

1:03:07He's not smart enough to have used you purposely, but the people who made the AI video, you You were a purposeful choice to humiliate a young progressive male. That was by design of this. It was like a part of the autocratic playbook, which I think is really interesting. Okay, moving along. Had it or hit it, Gen Z politics. Oh, that's, I wish there was like a middle answer because I've both had it and hit it. The reason I've had it is because, as we talked about in this episode, young guys that look like me, consistently sabotaging not only themselves, but our country as well. But also, I think there are a lot of great people in Gen Z.

1:03:49I think there are so many talented activists out there who are far smarter than me and are doing the work on the ground and are getting people out to vote and register to vote. And they really care. So, look, you know what? Actually, I'll just say hit it because I won't let the losers drag me down. I'm going to say hit it because of these great people out there I know. I agree. And I read some polling that But Gen Z has completely switched, even young males. Women, of course, have always been to the left and continue to lead on sanity. But men your age have now are purging their Trump support, much like the Latinos for Trump and all of the other groups that he's losing.

1:04:31OK, moving along. How did her hit it? Joe Rogan. Oh, I mean, that's the easiest one yet. I've had it with Joe Rogan. I think his podcast used to be something that inspired productive discussion, like a long time ago, that is, a long time ago. Now it's just, you know, where can we find the craziest lunatic on vaccines or climate change or politics to come on and have a conversation? I mean, you'll have like the random guy in the sidewalk, it feels like, pulled into the Joe Rogan studio and asked deep questions about mRNA vaccines and have them give this incredibly uninformed take. And then that hurts people in the process.

1:05:10And then they're taking horse tranquilizer the next day. Right. Right. What are we doing? What are we doing? So I've had it. I've had it. And I think with Joe Rogan, have y 'all seen these clips where like, you can tell like he automatically attributes intelligence and knowledge to somebody that has money when they haven't earned that attribution. Like, especially when he's interviewing Elon Musk, he thinks, well, this guy's, you know, got a bank account that could choke a bull. So he must know what the fuck he's talking about. When in actuality, Elon Musk is a junkie. He is completely strung out on ketamine.

1:05:53He is a drug addict. He is a baby producing addict. He cannot stop spreading his semen, which I read on his very website that he had a botched penile surgery. And I wouldn't mention that, but I read it on his actual website. And the fact that he platforms and attributes intelligence to somebody who has money, I think is a real problem with American culture right now, because that's what I think people did to Trump. They attributed intelligence and success to him because he has money, when the truth of the matter is he inherited money. He lost all of that money. He, you know, lies about his financial statements, et cetera, et cetera.

1:06:38Okay. Moving along. Had it or hit it, read receipts. Oh, had it. Wait, it depends. I've had it for myself. I like it when other people have them though. I completely agree. I agree. I hate because I am the worst texter in the world. People who are like my best friends will text me and I'll text them a day later. I'll be like, oh yeah, I'm sorry for the delay here. i'm so bad at it um and so i don't like that they know i've read their text message but i'm okay with them knowing that they've read mine so i can be angry at them if they've ignored me so i'm a hypocrite basically completely me too i'm the same way about so many things like the environment i would like to think i'm an environmentalist but i drive an suv i mean there's just so i have so much work to do as a person it's just unbelievable well that's the beauty of it constant progress few steps forward, you know.

1:07:32That's that whole like evolving. We need to be the party of evolving, owning our mistakes, even if it's Cory Booker, even if it's Hakeem and you want to, you know, say we were wrong about APAC. We're refunding it. We're done. I think that we have to make space if they choose to do that. These are the leaders we have. And when it's going to be all hands on deck to fight fascism. Okay. Totally. Harry, last one. Had it or hit it, J.D. Vance's Halloween costume. Oh, God had it. He I think it was Tommy Vitor who you were talking to. And he said, I'm so sick of losing to fucking losers. J.D. Vance is such a fucking loser.

1:08:13He is such a loser. He's one of those insecure men I just described earlier. And I think, Jennifer, you described him as like, you know, a failed drag queen. It's what he always wanted. And then he, you know, he had to write the book and, you know, pretend to be that. And then now he's vice president. It's what he always wanted. He is such a loser. He's an insecure man. He doesn't have a job. All he does at the White House is troll. He went after me on Twitter. There's no, you cannot be an elected official at that high and going after 23 year olds on social. That cannot be the way. And so I hate J.D.

1:08:44Vance. And so I've certainly had it with his dumb ass costume, his dumb ass face and everything he does. But I'm not bitter. I cannot stand this guy. I think it's such a window to his soul that he should be the ringleader on quieting and quelling these racist attacks and these xenophobic attacks, considering he has a wife that's of Indian descent and mixed race children. And then he's doing a slap and tickle on stage with Eric Kirk and the weirdest shit I have ever seen in my whole goddamn life. And then I read this online that people were saying, and this is devastating that he's not taking the lead on this.

1:09:33The Usha Vance was a political liability for him if he wants to be the heir apparent of MAGA. And you know what? But I think this is a man, a grown ass man who has changed his name three times. In adulthood. Three times he's changed his name. And so this is just, I think he is just the most malleable. Chameleon. Puss boy, bad eyeliner, whacked out, failed drag queen. I think he would be happiest if he could have been a drag queen. You know, in his book, he wrote that he thought he was gay when he was little. and then you know in college he dressed up in drag a lot which i support you know i think he could i think he could have gotten some tutorials from a more experienced drag queen and could have taken it over the finish line and maybe not failed and he used to have a trans roommate and in the the the 180 to being a million times worse in the devolution of him and not evolving in a positive way, but regressing.

1:10:36It's just, ugh. Yeah. I think J.D. Vance is going to soon come to terms with the monster he helped create, which is the people that are now in the Republican Party, the total racist loser freaks that are in the Republican Party. He and Donald Trump and members of it for years stoked the flames of hate. They said, the way to go is be a white Christian male and have your wife be subservient, but also have her be a white Christian woman. That was the way that they framed their ideal society in America. And then they got elected off of that hate. They played into people's worst tendencies and they got elected.

1:11:16And now J.D. Vance is clearly, you know, as he's malleable, he's power hungry. He clearly wants to be president. And he's going to have to reckon with the beast of all of these people hating his family. And But to be transparent, any man worth any worth, anything, would stand up to those people and say, don't come after my family. I'm going to stand up for my wife and kids. I full-heartedly believe that J.D. Vance will not do that. I think he is such a coward, a baby, and if they come after his wife, he'll do exactly what we've seen so far. Like, you know, I want her to convert, and I'm trying to get her there, and, you know, all this bullshit.

1:11:53I think he's going to do that, truly. No, I don't think he'll ever stand up for his wife because he already would have. He's had the opportunity, but he doesn't. It's so sad. But didn't he? OK, so he's changed his name three times in adulthood. He's changed his religion three times in adulthood. He changed his position on America's Hitler to being the vice president. This man will do whatever he thinks is in his best interest at the time. And he doesn't think. Which what's so scary about that pumps and Harry is he will do not what's in his best interests, but somebody far darker and somebody far more psychotic.

1:12:27And that's Peter Thiel. Peter Thiel, his mentor. And yeah. And so it's just, I mean, it's really overwhelming. It's overwhelming when you think about it, but that's why I think it's so important for us to collaborate with collaborators like you across generational collab and for us to form communities and to help build our own democracy centered ecosystem. And Harry, I just cannot tell you what a joy it's been having you on. And I hope that we can meet you in person, maybe at some victory party somewhere at some point. And I'd love to collaborate with you again. Where are you based out of? I'm in New York city.

1:13:10So if you guys are in New York city. I just moved here. You're in Manhattan? Yeah, I just moved to Manhattan a month ago. My youngest child graduated from high school, and I sent him to California. And I decided I didn't want to live in the Bible Belt anymore because I was always the skunk at the garden party being the progressive atheist in the Bible Belt. So I was sick of it. And I love Oklahoma. And there's a lot of great, I have a lot of great friends there. But I was really exhausted with a Bible culture. So I moved to New York. Wow. Have you been to New York before, aside from living here?

1:13:43A bunch. Yeah. Oh God. Well, so you know it then. I was going to say you are going to love it. It is. I love New York city. It is such an amazing place. And so congratulations on the move. That is so cool. Um, and I'm here, you're here. And I know a lot of other people are here, so we can definitely make something happen, um, and, and do some cool stuff. All right. Sounds great, Harry. Thanks so much. Thank you guys. I appreciate it. I'm so impressed with, um, he, we've had some young, progressives on this podcast. And I'm just, I'm not going to bra beat Gen Z because I think that that generation growing up with these phones and a lot of their coming of age years, Trump, being either in power or dominating the news cycle during Biden's.

1:14:32And I just am so impressed with the ones that have found their political voices. I think it was, what was that kid we had on tyler's dean withers i liked him a lot and he was like not 18 or 19 and ridiculous harry they are harry sisson yeah i just i think they're doing so much to maximize the message in their age groups particularly and i i can't help but compare them to what i was doing at 23, which is fucking embarrassing myself, being an asshole, making horrible decisions. And so I'm like, I applaud this young generation. They're doing really good work. And they've had a lot of, not only have they always had Trump, they had COVID.

1:15:19Remember, they were isolated. Yeah. And then I just think a lot. And the cell phones, I just don't think we can overstate the damage of disconnecting them from other human beings in very critical developmental years that those cause. And we're starting to see the damage of that. And so I just I'm so I'm so happy to collaborate with him. So, listener, make sure you do us a favor. A great way to support this podcast is to buy our book. And we've been telling you about it for quite some time. life is a lazy susan of shit sandwiches it's also very important to subscribe wherever you get your podcasts or if you watch our podcasts on youtube and it's also important to comment to engage the algorithm isn't that correct pumps that is absolutely correct jennifer and a review is nice but if you hate our guts please review leave a long detailed note about why you hate us in the reviews.

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