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32:39And we're completely moving away from any form of life that we've known in this country. I mean, look, this is why I love your show, because you're saying it as it is, and you're 100 % right. You've got it, in my opinion. Look, we've been saying this for 20 years on The Young Turks. The Democrats are paid to lose. So this is the Harlem Globetrotters versus the Washington Generals. And so the same guy is paying both of them. And if you were setting up a system where you wanted to capture our government, you wouldn't just pay one side, you'd pay both sides. And you'd pay one side to be super strong and push through extreme policies that help you.

33:18And you'd pay the other side to pretend to fight them and then go, there was nothing we could do. There was nothing we could do. That's like the favorite Democratic leadership song. They all sing it in unison in the caucus. uh and so uh there and we've pointed out for 20 straight years on the young turks and we're like kind of a little bit known for our predictions and the reason i do predictions is because it's so obvious it doesn't take a rocket scientist look at where the money is money will win 100 of the time and you will see democrats huff and puff and then surrender huff and puff and surrender huff and puff and surrender that's their pattern because they're literally paid to do that so So is it a conspiracy?

34:01No, it doesn't have to be. So this is what's so interesting about this. So I went to Wharton Business School. I'm a capitalist and I believe in the wisdom of the crowd. And so I believe in supply and demand and all these things. And you could see the invisible hand of the market moving things. How does it do that? So back in the day when Howard Dean was a strong progressive, he's not anymore. but when he was, all the money would get drained from his campaign the minute he started criticizing the establishment and wars and all the things that made the donors money, right? Same thing happened to Bernie Sanders.

34:36The money drains out, and the next thing that happens is money pours in to a super weak candidate, okay? So John Kerry is a great example. So John Kerry is super lame, and he votes for the Iraq war and he backs up what Bush is saying. So did Joe Biden, so did Hillary Clinton, and they drove us into that Iraq war. And so where did the money go? Did it go to a brave fighter like Bernie Sanders or Barbara Lee, et cetera, that stood up against the wars? No. All the money went to Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, and Joe Biden. The weakest Democrats who helped the Republicans get their goals and oh golly gee, look, there's billions of dollars that goes into their coffers.

35:19It's not an accident. It's because the person who wants tax cuts, he doesn't need a memo. He doesn't need a conspiracy. He's just naturally going to go, oh, that guy talking about a wealth tax, that guy talking about raising taxes. No way. What a radical, right? Well, that person is saying we should keep taxes as they are, and we should keep making money from oil and drug companies. Well, I have a drug company. So I like that one. I like Kerry, I like Biden. I like Hillary. I think the reason that your guys show is so important is because, yeah. So, you know, we're considered in the Bernie camp and have been for a long time.

35:54And so people pigeonhole and they go, okay. Although these days we're fight sometimes with the far left and things have gotten super confusing. But what you guys are doing is you're talking to those former Hillary and Biden voters and beginning to wake everybody up. Guys, these folks are not on our team. They've never been on our team. Our team is the American people and Democratic voters. Democratic voters are often in direct opposition, at least our policies and our priorities, to Democratic leadership. Again, I'll give you 100 examples. And one last one, super quick. Minimum wage. We were told that that was the easiest layup there was.

36:38And I remember talking, I co-founded Justice Democrats. And so I knew a lot of the Justice Democrats back in the day. And I remember talking to a couple of those Congress people, right? And I'm like, watch out, you're going to get an ambush in the Senate. The Democrats don't want to pass minimum wage. And they're like, what do you mean? No, Nancy Pelosi told us, no, it's guaranteed. No, of course they do. Cenk, this is the bare minimum. Of course, we're going to pass it. Like, you're not going to pass it. Corporate interests don't want it. Schumer will kill it. Biden will kill it. And that's exactly what happened.

37:10But unfortunately, they never learned the lesson. These guys are not honest actors. I don't mean the just Democrats. I mean, the establishment Democrats and Republicans. And for whatever I say about Democrats, it's at least the same for Republicans, but usually way more, right? So there's no hope on the Republican side at all at this point. So whereas I think there is hope with some right-wingers and independents, which is a different conversation. But bottom line is they couldn't even pass an increased minimum wages at$7.25 because they don't work for us. They just keep lying to us, pretending they want to do these things, and go, oh, golly gee, I just couldn't figure out how to pass paid family leave.

37:51That's pulling at 84%. Literally every country on earth has it other than us. So they're giant liars. Let's expose them and get better democratic leaders. I agree. And you just spoke about an awakening. And I think that there is a mass awakening across all demographics, all different generations, not only to corporations, but also to Israel. People are waking up to that and how we have been propagandized to believe one thing. And then when we get on our devices or watch the news, you're seeing something completely inhumane in that genocide. But I will say one thing. Pumps and I are from Oklahoma City.

38:36And I agree with you 100 % on everything about corporate Democrats. And I've been very, very critical of all of them. But I would be remiss if I didn't say that there are a lot of people, really good people that live in red states and they're queer or they are somehow marginalized. And a Kamala Harris presidency or a Joe Biden presidency, where I'm at right now, I 100 % agree with you on all of that, but it is a lifeline for them. And you spoke about John Dean, and he used to have a 50-state strategy. And the Democrats have completely abandoned that. And not that the Democrats could win in Oklahoma.

39:21But when you pull out, you let the radicals get so fucking radical that the marginalized people in those states start getting institutionalized, bullied institutionally by their government. And it piles on and it piles on and you have this rabid right wing electorate in these states. And so I can kind of like I'm where I am right now. I will always vote against the corporate dim. When they're on my podcast, I call them out as viciously as I can because this is our time. This is our moment, our generations for all. This is our fight right now. But I do understand how people can have an affection for a Kamala Harris or a Joe Biden because it means a lifeline for them if you live in a red state.

40:11Yeah. So look, do I get it? Of course. I voted for Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and Kamala Harris. And why did I vote for them? So yes, cultural wars are used to divide us. Identity politics is used as a weapon and a shield. So I don't love that stuff. But at the end of the day, I was born Muslim. I'm an atheist now, but my family's Muslim. And so Republicans say, oh, well, Trump, you know, in 2016 said we should ban all Muslims from the country. and now he's attacking Somalis, et cetera, but you should just eat it. Like you should just say, okay, as a Muslim, you're inferior. And every once in a while, we should talk about banning you.

40:52Yeah, no, I'm not gonna eat it. I'm not gonna accept it. And what a ludicrous thing to say to someone, we hate you, but you should vote for us anyway. No, sorry, no deal, right? And do they hate trans people? Come on, of course they do, of course. So they'll say like, we should take away all their rights and make sure they can't go into any bathrooms or the military or any of this, et cetera. But homophobic or transphobic, that's outrageous, right? No, it's not outrageous. You say it all the time. And look, I'm not trying to label people. I'm not trying to get into identity politics. I'm just talking about reality.

41:26I'm just telling you what you're telling me, right? So that's part of why I'm a Democrat? Do I understand that concept? Of course, it affects me in a lot of ways almost more than anyone else, right? Now, having said that, guys, the most important thing is primaries, because I didn't want to vote for Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden or Kamala Harris. In my opinion, they were going to do nothing. OK, yes, they were not going to be as vicious as Trump and the Republicans. Yes, they were not going to discriminate against people. So they weren't going to do as much damage. But were they going to do anything positive?

42:03Almost nothing, nothing, nothing, because they're paid to do nothing. But once you're in a general election, you're stuck. You're stuck. what are you going to do vote for trump right so for god's sake vote like make sure that you're super animated about primaries that's where you have a choice and you will see propaganda from the establishment media minimizing the primaries oh primaries oh we're going to waste our good precious donor money on primaries oh you're just attacking other democrats no brother they're not on my side. If you can't pass paid family leave at 84%, at a bare minimum, you are the most incompetent politician on earth, and you should never get my vote, ever.

42:46That's what primaries are for. Go vote on, my honest opinion is almost all the incumbents, because they almost all take corporate PAC money, just as Democrats don't. And I've got my issues with the squad these days. I think they're probably to the left of me on identity politics and stuff like that, right? But nevertheless, they're honest. As long as you're not taking that donor money and you're not hooked on corporations or foreign governments, then I'm super happy to give you a shout like Mamdani. Mamdani's to the left of me. He's way more socialist, obviously. But I want him to try. I love that he's trying for the voters.

43:25Yeah, give me free public buses. Let's see what happens. Yeah. Give me some city run grocery stores. It wouldn't have been my first idea, but let's see what happens. At least the brother's trying, right? So which then finally gets you back to Israel. So why? Guys, the reason, I mean, Kamala Harris lost the election, walked the plank for Israel. 92 % of our voters wanted her to speak out against what they were doing. 92 % and she said, no, I don't care about my stupid voters. My donors say Israel. I say Israel. Well, all right. Well, now what you're saying is you'd rather lose than defy the donors.

44:06So for God's sake, let's get into the primaries and find people who are not corporate robots, who are not zombies for Israel. And honestly, like they literally fund 94 % of Congress. So that and guys, 82 % of Congress votes with them every single time. And that 82 % on average, gets$125 ,000 in campaign donations. And the people and honestly, I think almost everyone in mainstream media is either an idiot, or totally corrupt. because AIPAC will spend$100 million in the last cycle, and they'll be like, no, that's not relevant. Our politicians are so honorable, they would not be moved by$100 million.

44:52Well, you don't live on this planet. I mean, you're either obviously recently lying to us, or you're really one of the lowest IQ people in the country. Why are you on ABC, CNN, and New York Times? I think those reporters should be super embarrassed. Every article about politics is nonsense. The only thing, almost the only thing they should be talking about is who got paid by who, because that will show you nearly 100 percent why they're voting the way that they are. And instead, we got gaslighters. Right. And so media will come in and go, if you point out correct facts about AIPAC, you hate Jews.

45:28Yeah, right. It's such bullshit. What is this? I mean, that pisses off. MAGA is an incubation, an incubator for anti-Semitism, the real Jew hate. Like it is just unbelievable. And they ignore all of that. And they're laser focused on Zoran Mamdani because he's Muslim. And that goes against their script. And I'll tell you, Cenk, you said that you were an atheist and I'm an atheist as well, but I was actually raised in a secular home, raised by atheist parents in the Bible belt. So I would say in my 20s, I was on YouTube a lot, like watching Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, et cetera.

46:13And I fell prey to post 9-11 ambient Islamophobia because it was like, and I did. I mean, I had for sure Islam is Islamophobic thoughts. And from that, I watched a lot of Bill Maher and that I just kind of picked that up because for me, I had all these crazy Christians around me, Christian Taliban and Oklahoma City. But then you see somebody, you know, like he has five wives. Well, that's kind of fucked up. They, you know, do jihad. Well, that's fucked up. She's wearing a burka. Well, that's fucked up. So it was easy for me to kind of fall into that being an uber critic of all religions, all Abraham.

46:55I'm an equal opportunity critic of all religions. So for somebody who, like me, who came from a liberal household, atheist, fell prey to Islamophobia, when I see somebody like Zoran at the gay pride parade, not with a pride flag, but with a trans flag, he's like, fuck it, I want the most marginalized fucking flag I can have. that puts a sword right through my Islamophobia. That makes me critically think, and I reconciled this way before Zoran ran, but it makes me think, well, wait a minute, every religion has its crazies. And there's a billion Muslims. And just like I live around these Christian Taliban fuckers that are taking away all the women's rights, Islam and Muslims have their same issues, but you can also be very progressive.

47:45And so it really pisses me off how laser focused they are on him. When he, in my opinion, criticism of Israel is super important, especially since they market themselves as we're the greatest democracy in the Middle East. Well, democracy by definition should be open for business 24-7, 365 to criticism, just like science, you know, criticize, inquire, inquire. So that shit just pisses me off. And I think there's been a great awakening from Americans that are white, heteronormative, what MAGA would call real Americans like pumps in me, where we see all of these things converging that you're talking about, corporate PACs, Israel getting lied to, Democrats are pussies, they don't fight for us.

48:35And there's this huge awakening and the democratic base is clueless, absolutely clueless as to how much the democratic establishment is clueless as to how much the base has moved, in my opinion. Yeah, 100%. So look, first of all, when we criticize big pharma, which big pharma donates on average, not in the last cycle, APAC was number one in the last cycle, but on an average normal cycle, big pharma is much bigger donors than a packets nobody comes and says you guys are racist against uh drug companies like you're you're an anti-druggist anti-pharmacist or whatever right when we complain about uh oil companies getting an outrageous 35 billion dollars in subsidies every year that's just a robbery they're just robbing us no one says you're anti-oilist right when you say hey but wait a minute, AIPAC is doing the same exact game as big pharma is big oil is the defense contractors are, we're not singling them out.

49:39We're just saying they're part of that same corrupt system. They go, you hate Jews. Wait a minute. This is no, no, no, no, no, no. Because now at this point, that's not just, oops, I just accidentally did that. It feels coordinated. Okay. So now add on top of that, what mainstream media has been doing my whole life. Honestly, look, I know for a lot of us educated democrats it feels like the new york times is our bible and like and it feels like sacrilegious to tell you that the new york times and cnn are giant liars but they are and they and part of it is because the people that work there don't know that they're lying they were pre-selected to have the same exact mindset donors don't matter anyone who criticizes israel is an anti-semite and their lives should be ruined, ruined, right?

50:30So like Elliot Abrams, a neocon extraordinaire today, going around going, now look at all of this Jew hate on the left and the right opposing Israel. Israel wants a memorandum of understanding, which is going to be 20 years. We're going to lock in a guarantee for a foreign country for 20 freaking years for about$100 billion. Remember, Israel's already taken 300 billion from us, right? So when we say, wait, why are we giving the oil subsidies? Nobody complains. I mean, again, mainstream media totally covers it up. If you watch mainstream media, I bet no one has any idea that we give oil subsidies like that, right?

51:06But when you turn to Israel, it's a different level. They go, no, if you object to paying$100 billion to a foreign government, then you hate Jews. That is ludicrous, an insane lie that they do on purpose to smear people who oppose Israel. And it's disgusting. If Portugal came to us or Mongolia or Bhutan, and they were like, you owe us$100 billion. Otherwise, you're anti-Portuguese. We'd be like, have you lost good money? Fuck you. And yes, and fuck you. And then so when you ask, everything is a total bullshit talking point. So here, they're a special ally. Wait, Canada is a special ally. Why didn't we give them$300 billion?

51:52Right? Oh, you owe us. Why do I owe you? What a weird thing to say. Why do I owe you? Well, because of the Holocaust. Wait, what? But wait, we rescued people from the Holocaust. We didn't do the Holocaust. Are we some weirdly like guilty about that? I don't feel guilty about that. Like, imagine with, like, the Bosnians. We saved them from a genocide, right? And I'm super proud of that. And that's one of the things that makes me proud to be a Democrat, that Bill Clinton did that, okay? So, okay, so we saved the Bosnians. Imagine they turn around and go, now you owe us. You owe Bosnia$300 billion, and after that, you have to give me a guarantee for another$100 billion for another 20 years.

52:30We'd be like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Slow your roll. We just saved you from a genocide. Why do we owe you? And that would be the most normal question on earth. But when you do it about Israel, people in mainstream media voraciously attack you while pretending to be objective. They're the least objective people. And to your point, look, growing up Muslim, I didn't quite realize it just in the same way that you didn't realize it, right, growing up in Oklahoma. It turns out mainstream media has been smearing Muslims my whole life. And why were they doing that? Because are there extremists in every religion?

53:09Of course! Are there other religions that have four wives? Yes, right? But we never talk about that. Are there religious fanatics that do violence in other religions? Are you kidding me? Look at the settlers in the West Bank. They're vicious, racist, and bigots. They do massive violence and they steal people's land. Because why? Because they said, oh, Yahweh or God or whatever the hell told me 3 ,000 years ago to murder my neighbors and take their land. I mean, but we never talk about the settlers. It's anti-Semitic to say that. But brother, you've been saying it about Muslims in a way that's a 100 % lie my whole life.

53:46So you're allowed to say it about Muslims, but you're not allowed to say it about anybody else, right? So no, I have no respect for New York Times, CNN, MSNBC, all those people at all, because those are the same anchors, reporters, producers that have been smearing my people my whole life and going, it's no big deal. They're just Muslims. 70 ,000 dead, 20 ,000 dead kids. No big deal. No big deal. Shut up, you Muslim, right? So no, I'm not going to shut up. Jake Tapper and the rest of them are a cancer on this society. They're giant gaslighters who lie on behalf of Israel day in, day out. And we're all sick of it.

54:23And the good news is left wing is sick of it. Right wing is sick of it. The middle wing is sick of it. The only problem is they control almost every lever of power. They have 94 % of Congress and apparently 94 % of mainstream media. I mean, none of the cable news anchors have called it a genocide when everyone, all of the genocide scholars, all the human rights workers, everyone has called it a genocide. Why? Because everyone knows if you criticize Israel too much, you're going to get fired. Then you're going to get smeared in the press as someone who's a racist, anti-Semite, et cetera. and your life is going to be ruined by these thugs that are inside this country.

55:03Sorry, but that's just reality. So I can't take it anymore. Let me ask you a question. We see Marjorie Taylor Greene breaking from Trump, all that. She's talking about how MAGA or this Congress, Donald Trump, he's not America first, he's Israel first. And then she's posting her picture like a pack money zero a pack dollars i have people in my life young people that are super anti-israel israeli government they're not anti-semitic they're for israeli people but not the government and they hate a pack so do you think moving forward putting your AIPAC donations from the people that you're for and against, that that is going to move voters.

55:56And her gripe is the Democratic establishment is completely ignoring voices about AIPAC donations. And so moving forward, the Israel first thing, is that going to break up the MAGA party? And then secondly, are the AIPAC donations going to be coming to the fore as we move towards these elections? Yeah, it's only going to get to be a bigger and bigger issue. So it'll probably be huge in 26 but it'll be gigantic in 28 uh and so here's why guys so you're 100 right again uh and what's happening is the marjorie taylor greens and the tom massey's of the world are telling the right wing guys we said america first and we said anti-war but yet we're forced into one war after another after another for israel and it just and we're told that we owe them and that 300 billion wasn't enough, 21 billion in the middle of a genocide wasn't enough, and now we owe them another 100 billion, et cetera.

56:54Well, the Republican voters are primed to hate that to begin with, right? The only reason why they ever went along with it is because they also grew up the same way we did, watching ABC, NBC, CBS, telling us that Israel is the most important thing in the world, and if you oppose Israel, you're a devil who hates Jews, et cetera. By the wait, guys, I have Jewish family. I have, like, half my friends are Jewish. My co-founders on the Young Turks are Jewish. Like, this is insanity. Stop smearing all Jews. They're like, if you're not pro-genocide, you're against Jews. No, no, no, none of my Jewish friends are for a genocide.

57:29None of them, okay? None of them are for Netanyahu. None of them are for what the Israeli government is doing. But the Israel first guys agitate, and they go, no, I don't care how good you are to Jews. You have to hate the Jews if you don't like what the Israeli government is doing. No, I don't have to hate Jewish people. I don't, and I never will. I'm a progressive. I'm never, ever going to distinguish between religions, nationalities, ethnicities. We're all human beings. I'm an atheist. I'm 100 % secular, and I don't believe in the rationale of separating out religions, et cetera. But you cannot tell me that I cannot criticize a foreign government.

58:05that's insane if i said to everyone erdogan's taking away democracy in the in turkey but that's it you're not allowed to say it if you say it i'm gonna say you're racist against turks and i'm gonna ruin your life you'd be like lunatic right but they do it and they all do it and that's the gaslighting and that's what's unbearable now so the good news is gaslighting is broken on the right-wing side so they're now having a huge clash so for the moment being the mark levin ben shapiro laura loomer crowd has begun to quiet down the america first people a tiny bit partly because the iran bombing didn't get out of control and right now they love what's happening in venezuela and they're going around bragging and thumping their chest going you see that israel's right we should invade every country that we don't like and they were helping iran in hezbollah yeah we got rid of them and we're macho and bald eagle and american flag so and they got trump on their side so levin goes out and then bear hugs him calls him the first jewish president miriam says here i'll bribe you to run for a third term i'll give you 200 oh my god so for now it's like america first is my estimate is winning they got about 60 of the republican party, certainly online, they're like 80%, 90%, right?

59:29But right now, there's no conclusion. But my guess is what's going to happen is at some point, the dam's going to break. And it's so, if it hasn't broken already, it's incredibly close to breaking. And then eventually, almost all the Republican voters will be America first and not Israel first. And then they'll call them all anti-semites like they're doing to Tucker and Megyn Kelly and everyone who criticizes Israel 1 % anti-Semi, Jew hater, et cetera. But they've beaten that one trick pony to death, right? And they keep beating that dead horse or pony. And they're like, oh, call everyone a Jew hater, call everyone racist, right?

1:00:07And we hate it, we'll loathe it. On the Democratic side, it's tougher because unfortunately, our voters listen to mainstream media more, right? So they go on CNN and MSNBC and they're like, no, Kamala Harris defying 92 % of her voters is great, wonderful, brave, way to oppose your own voters, right? So no, not brave, stupid and wrong. So I know it'll break by 28. And then if you are voting for, or if you're taking AIPAC money by 28 or any kind of Israeli lobby money, you're in a world of trouble. But we're starting now. We have a pledge, tyt.com slash no more, saying no more. If you take Israeli lobby money, we're not going to give you a vote, because what you're saying is I represent a different government, not this government.

1:01:02Okay. So I'm going to betray you and I'm going to represent the Israelis' interests instead of yours. Well, then obviously you shouldn't get my vote. And the beauty of this, guys, this is so important. primaries because that means you don't have to vote for a Republican okay and the Republicans don't have to vote for a Democrat. Go inside your own primary, and if someone is taking AIPAC money or Israeli lobby money, vote for the other person. If someone's not taking corporate PAC money, that's your number one sign that they're going to represent you and not the others. If you don't know this, one of the reasons Marjorie Taylor Greene started actually saying, wait, maybe we should have lower health insurance prices and lower drug prices, let alone Epstein files, Israel, et cetera, is because she stopped taking corporate PAC money and foreign government money.

1:01:49Because once you get yourself off of that drug, you go, oh, wait, what do the voters want? Oh, the voters want us to represent them. Dur, right? Like, I called up Marjorie Taylor Greene and asked her to join Ro Khanna's bill on lowering drug prices. She went and analyzed it, came back to me a week later and said, yeah, I'm in. I'm co-sponsored. We've got to get them off the crack. The crack is corporate and foreign government money. So why would you vote for someone on crack, right? I have to jump in. They're driven by the drug, not by you. Marjorie Taylor Greene is still on some crack, and she's still on some Iron Age crazy Christian crack.

1:02:31And where we live and all through the Bible Belt South, you have a combination of people that are high on capitalism and high on Jesus. and it is a cancer and it is spread through these mega churches. And I appreciate that Marjorie Taylor Greene sees some light about Israel and that she cares to protect Palestinian children, but she doesn't care to protect young LGBTQ plus American children. And she still has very offensive postings outside of her office. There are only two genders. And let me tell you something as a woman from Oklahoma City. I have a couple of friends that have trans children.

1:03:13This is painful. Nobody in their right fucking mind wakes up in rural Oklahoma and says, you know what? I want to fuck with everybody today. I'm going to say I'm a different gender. I'm going to get everybody to call me demonic. I'm going to fuck with the, you know, I'm going to go play some D1 sport and all this bullshit. It is a very painful process surrounded by the most judgmental, righteous, obnoxious, hateful Christians, white evangelicals are what I'm talking about. And it is horrific. So I appreciate part of Marjorie Taylor Greene's journey, but I don't buy all of it because I think you have to link human rights.

1:03:56They're all linked, universal human rights. It's why I stand up against, I'm embarrassed about my past ambient Islamophobia. It shames me, but I've evolved as a person, both morally and politically. And I have to value against, you know, fighting against Islamophobia, fighting against antisemitism, fighting against transphobia, fighting against homophobia. And if somebody says, oh, you Democrats are too into these culture wars, I would be like, you know what? Fuck you. This is a free country. If you can throw a trans person under the bus and you feel good about it, fuck you, go live somewhere else because it's not your business if somebody is trans or not.

1:04:38When we were growing up, we're all around the same age. How much did we say all the time? Well, it's a free country. Well, nobody says that shit anymore because everybody's all up in everybody's business. If we have an economic message of populism or in your case, you know, capitalism, really free markets, not beholden by court, you know, corporate controlling packs and stuff. It has to be for everybody, even somebody that might be trans or even somebody that might be an atheist Muslim like you, we have to include it to everybody. So Marjorie Taylor Greene, I still, my radar on her is she's still a little bit of an opportunistic twat.

1:05:17I have not seen a full redemption to her yet, but I'm open to her crossing over the finish line yeah so let me tell you one by one first on trans folks like this idea that they want to do it because it's fun or something it's absurd like yeah imagine i live in the middle of oklahoma and i just said i'm gonna dress like a woman and we think that's gonna go well for me like i'm doing that because there's some sort of secret advantage no advantage is going to overcome the disadvantage that you're going to face in oklahoma kentucky or in most places, unfortunately, of being trans. That is not a thing that you do lightly.

1:05:56That is a super, like you have to believe that in your inner being so much to do it because it's such a hurdle to overcome, right? And to me, that is the essence of freedom. So I love that we live in a country where anybody could be what they want to be, what they believe they are. If you take that away from them, you're taking away freedom. And so I won't stand for it. And that's why I'm actually kind of corny about being patriotic. So as I see the hundreds of problems that America has, and I battle them for a living, right? I still love the core idea of this country, that we're all equal, that we're all free, and that we strive towards justice.

1:06:41And once you start saying we're all free except then we're not free right so except trans people except muslim people by the way let me come back to that for one second i don't think i finished the thought there what i realized at the end just like you did jennifer is that wait a minute this isn't just random hatred towards muslims it isn't like oh golly gee we picked this religion out of a hat right? No, it was done so that we could hate Israel's enemies. And otherwise, spending$8 trillion on the global war on terror wouldn't have made sense to Americans. But if you hate Muslims enough, then you'll want to attack Iraq, which at the time the Israeli prime minister said was their number one enemy.

1:07:27Then you'll want to attack Iran, which Israel now says is their number one enemy, which, you know, bomb Syria, Yemen, Nigeria, Somalia, et cetera, and go, well, remember, it's the dirty Muslims, Muslims, Muslims, Muslims. You should hate them. Oh, golly gee, look at that. We just wiped out all of Israel's enemies for it. What a lucky break for Israel. I don't think it was a lucky break at all, okay? And I say this to right-wingers too, because now I talk to everyone. I'm going to go talk to Tucker soon. I've talked to Patrick David, Tim Pool, all these guys, right? And I say to them, do you mean it?

1:08:01When you say you're anti-war, do you mean it? Because it's about to get tested and it's being tested right now. And when you say freedom, do you really mean it? Do you mean it for everyone? When you say equality, do you even believe in that American concept? So forcing them into these questions is really, really important. And so now to Marjorie Taylor Green. So what's super important, guys, is that we have to stop thinking in a binary way. So does Marjorie Taylor Green still have tons of opinions that I find to be not just wrong, but outrageous? Yes. So for example, just today, she was like celebrating the January 6th rioters.

1:08:42I do not celebrate the January 6th rioters. bananas right so now but unfortunately and i think that this might have also been a trick to be honest okay they want us thinking the other side is the enemy and we cannot work with them on anything and what i'm saying is but wait what if they agree with us on some issues should we still say no i don't want your vote i don't want your support like that doesn't make any sense so for example, I went on Patrick but David show, and I made a pitch for paid family leave. And then they pulled their very right wing audience. And 75 % of them said yes, paid family leave for moms, give them 12 weeks off at a minimum.

1:09:27What are we doing? You're supposed to go back to the assembly line the day after you deliver? That's insanity. And they and they've never heard that literally every developed nation has it but forget developed nations. I think every nation on earth over 200 except for like three of us, including America. Oh my God. We're the only ones who don't have it. Okay. And so when they hear that and it's against American moms, they go, all right, I'm on your side. Let's go get this thing passed. Take yes for an answer. You could fight them on the January 6th stuff. You could fight them on the trans stuff, the Muslim stuff.

1:10:02You could fight them on all of that, but take a yes vote. Right. So when they joined Ro Khanna, Massey and Marjorie Taylor Greene did in demanding the release of the Epstein files, that was a huge win, a huge win. They're joining them and saying, yeah, we don't want to fund Israel anymore. And we want our government to represent us. That's okay. And by the way, like to the point we're making, the right wing is also allowed to have any opinion they want. And so as much as it frustrates us, their opinions on different minorities and different issues, et cetera, they're allowed to have those opinions.

1:10:39And then we debate in an honest democracy and we get to the right answer. The good news is two thirds of Americans culturally agree with us. Right. We just got to get to an honest representative government so we could have those debates instead of letting donors run everything. I agree. I really agree with what you say that if you can find agreement with somebody like Marjorie Taylor Greene, who I still think is an insufferable twat for the record. But I will be willing to move the goalposts on that because we have to allow everyone to evolve politically. I know I certainly have. I have. Pence has evolved massively.

1:11:18I mean, she's deconstructed her faith. She used to be a Republican. So and I also think in order to defeat this horrific administration, these fucking dorks, these dweebs cosplaying, running the government, it's going to take strange bedfellows to do so. And we have to embrace our agreements. And then, like you said, fight later. So I really thank you for saying that. I needed to hear that today. I think that was a really good reminder, Cenk. And I think that's really good messaging. And I also think it's super important that you go into the Death Star and talk because I was living in Oklahoma City, which is a purple city.

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1:15:16I'm getting this right. Can I say hell no? Yes. Terrible idea, had it. Okay, had it or hit it, Hassan Piker. I mean, he's my nephew, so I got to say hit it, I guess. You know, he was our first famous fan. He's your what? He was our first like famous fan. He found us and then he had us on his stream and my son watched him. I didn't know whose son was. My son calls me and he's at Syracuse university. He's like, mom, a son Piker has you on his stream. And I'm like, what does that mean? Who is that? What is the Twitch? What's going on? And then he sent it to me. And then we ended up collaborating with him.

1:16:02And I think, in my opinion, as a mother of two sons, and you see the propaganda and the sexism and all of the horrible stuff online, I'm appreciative and grateful that there are the Hassan Pikers because this generation spends so much time chronically online that are promoting critical thinking. And my son doesn't agree with him on everything at all. but he it's somebody who was the ambient background of his high school and college years. So I appreciate that in Hassan. Yeah. So real quick. So Haas started at the Young Turks. And and so we are philosophies, open minds, open hearts. Right. And so if you're open hearted, you're going to be on our side.

1:16:46And but we really need you to be open minded. And so I was I believe in hiring hosts who have a range of opinions and I don't mind them disagreeing with me at all. And something you said there that I just wanted to pick up on, which is we don't all have to agree on everything. You don't have to agree with everything Hassan says, you don't have to agree with everything I say, or you guys say, that's normal. It's abnormal to agree a hundred percent with a preset ideology or any other human being, because you came up in different circumstances, different contexts, et cetera. So Haas is a like a diehard socialist.

1:17:23And we used to have a debate show called Agitprop, where he would take the socialist position. I would take the capitalist position. We're both on the left. Right. And we'd go at it and we still do it. We do Jenksgiving at his house because since we're family, we eat Thanksgiving dinner together, obviously. And before that, we'll have a huge debate. But but that's beautiful that we have a tent that's wide enough that we could include all that. And he's telling, you know, younger people to think critically and to open up their minds and just like and he's similar to Momdani's policies. Right. And it's beautiful that they're trying.

1:18:01They care. They've got new ideas. So let's let's discuss all of them and get to the best answer. I love that. Okay. Had it or hit it, CBS News. Oh, had it. I mean, CBS is over. I mean, it's crazy to watch CBS. Talk about Barry Weiss and David and Larry Ellison and just talk about how crazy all of that is. We talk about it quite a bit on our other podcast, but I want to get your take on that. Yeah. So look, this is, again, you're sensing themes here, right? And one of the themes is establishment media drives me crazy because look at what they're hiding from you. Now, you could verify all this. You could look all this up.

1:18:42And once you know it, you go, oh, okay. So the company buying up all of these things, Paramount, TikTok, et cetera, Skydance, run by David Ellison, the son of Larry Ellison. The funding for it is coming mainly from Larry Ellison, the founder of Oracle. So who is Larry Ellison? Larry Ellison, and I didn't know this until recently, I just knew him as the founder of Oracle. But it turns out he's a massively Israel first radical. Okay, so now why do I say radical? Is that fair? He donated$16 million to the IDF in the middle of a genocide. That was an attaboy way to commit this mass slaughter. let me give you$16 million in charity for a military, by the way, of a different country.

1:19:32So that's already ludicrous. Again, all you have to do is take out Israel, put in any other country and people go, what the fuck? Right? It's true. Like if in the middle of Turkey invading Northern Syria and killing ethnic people or whatever it was, I'm like, way to go Turkey. And I gave them 16 million, their military, 16 million dollars, people will be like, oh, obviously he's an agent for that government. Obviously, he shouldn't be trusted. You say it about someone supporting Israel, they're like, I'm so sick of it, right? They're such thugs. Anyway, Ellison, then we find out through DropSite News, the emails that were leaked that they've done stories on.

1:20:14He goes to Marco Rubio back in 2016 when he's running against Trump. These guys were never for Trump. They were always for only one thing, which is Israel. So he goes to Marco Rubio and he tells the Israeli ambassador before he meets with Rubio, I'm going to test him to see if he'll do what Israel wants. He comes back from that meeting, writes the Israeli ambassador in another email saying, I talked to him and he will serve Israel. And so I gave him$5 million into his super PAC. So that is not registered in the over$1 million that you see on AIPAC tracker for Marco Rubio from AIPAC and the Israeli lobby, because that went into a super PAC, not to him directly.

1:20:55So do you see how they are funneling millions and millions of dollars for our politicians to serve a foreign government? And then whenever you criticize it, they say they're not at fault. Jake Tapper and Dana Bash will jump in and go, you're at fault for doing journalism. You should never do journalism. Journalism is anti-Semitic, right? So this Larry Ellison guy, who is a Zionist radical takes over cbs and brings in barry weiss barry weiss is mainly known for being israel first cancel culture she came up by doing lists of professors who should be fired for accurately criticizing israel she doesn't do the news she does the exact opposite of news she buries the news and so they go and buy free press and they announce and it's in the new york post about oh, we're giving them a really good price because they're pro-Israel.

1:21:49They overpaid by nearly$100 million because she had a pro-Israel position. Then they take her and put her in charge of CBS. And then what does she do? CBS Evening News anchor. She finds Tony Dokopil, the guy who yelled at Ta-Nehisi Coates for supporting Palestinian lives. I don't know if you guys remember that interview where he was like, oh, your book, I see that you think you Palestinians Indians are human. Oh, you sound like you hate Jews. Like, what? Right? And she's like, oh, that lunatic radical? Yeah, of course. CBS Evening News, new host. So Israel runs CBS now. If you're going to see something on CBS News, it is likely to be a lie.

1:22:28It's a propaganda for a foreign government, not for us. It's totally dead. Something you said, Cenk, when you said if you removed the country of Israel and you inserted any other country in, I'm borrowing this from Mehdi Hassan, who we've had on the podcast, but he says online all the time, he'll post something where somebody says something about Muslims and he'll post it. He'll say, now remove the word Muslim and put in Jewish. And it's incredible how propagandized we are to be Islamophobic and how excused it is. And then in the inverse of that, this protection and really psychotic treatment of Israel.

1:23:13And I see why they are so laser focused on Zoran because he completely negates the argument that all Muslims are crazy. You're right. Maybe he's a socialist. Maybe he wants to get people free buses, but he's not a bigot. He just absolutely is not that. You can call him whatever the fuck you want to call him, but he is absolutely not a bigot. Anybody who links all universal human rights, in my opinion, that's the only way to link them. Okay, let's move along. Had it or hit it, Hillary Clinton? Had it. A billion times over had it. I mean, look, again, guys when you dig in and and that's why i'm so proud of drop site news guardian uh intercept or is the tayo young turks all democracy now all these independent uh places breaking points doing a lot of real journalism journalism is breaking out online and so like okay so in hillary clinton's case what people might not know because again establishment media has been not uncovering the news but covering up the news her largest donor throughout her career was Haim Saban.

1:24:23And Haim Saban is another pro-Israel radical. And so the only reason he gives her money is to serve Israel. And that's why Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton, they've been taking that kind of money to the tune of tens of millions of dollars throughout their careers. I don't know if he's gotten into the hundreds of millions. And so again, the news will say it's anti-Semitic to report that fact. Facts have a well-known anti-Semitic bias. So no, it's not. If she money from exxon mobil or jp morgan chase it would be negligent not to talk about it we had a giant conversation uh during the 2016 primary about all the money she took from the banks but once you get to israel it becomes magic you're not allowed to talk about it so no she's totally bought for almost all those donor classes and it breaks my heart to see democratic voters thinking that that they're supporting the right person, right?

1:25:17And they get led along by the propaganda. Oh yeah, yeah, Bernie, boo. He would actually represent all of your policy positions, but he's gonna lose. And we did this, this is like on the Young Turks almost every day during the 2016 primary. We're like, guys, look at this poll. Bernie would do five points better against Trump than Hillary would. Here's a new poll, seven points better, three points better, 12 points better. And then we show them a clip from CNN and MSNBC and their anchors all say Bernie is unelectable, has no chance of winning, no chance of winning, no chance of winning. Sometimes it'll be a CNN poll showing Bernie would have done better against Trump.

1:25:58They'll bury their own poll. They'll report it. And then in the next segment, they'll be like, well, obviously Bernie can't win. And I'm like, so that is all a way to sheep herd you towards Hillary because Hillary supports the banks, supports Israel, voted for the Iraq war. etc. They're purposely manipulating you to get you to vote for both the worst Democrat, the one that is least likely to do those policies, and two, the one most likely to lose. Hillary never had a better chance than Bernie in 2016. Never, not once, not in any of those polls. And on election day, Bernie had a 12-point lead against Trump when Hillary lost.

1:26:37Yeah, they would have run an election against him, but he would have also run an election against Trump. Why? Because it isn't that Bernie's magical. It's that the American people want populism. They don't want you to represent the donor class, and they could feel it in their bones, right? So, guys, forget MAGA, forget our own voters for a second. We have to win over independence. They decide elections. If you're not trying to win over independence, and you're just preaching to the choir, it's self-indulgent. Like, I love you and everybody can do everything that they want. I'm just saying generically to the other hosts, audience, et cetera, right?

1:27:17It's a free country. But if you want to win and you care about that, you've got to win over the independents that are enormously populist. They don't want corrupt politicians. They want people representing the average American. And that is super fair. The person you described that you were trying to reach in 2016 on The Young Turks that was watching CNN, watching MSNBC and didn't think Bernie could win and voted for Hillary. And that is me. I even hosted a fundraiser for her and the special guest was Bill Clinton. And I had a Hillary sign in my yard. I'm with her with H and the arrow. My oldest son was like, Mom, you're so conservative.

1:27:56I can't believe you're not supporting Bernie. And I was like, not conservative. I'm a liberal, Dylan. I am a liberal Democrat. I've never voted for a Republican. And he was 100 % right. And you are 100 % right. And I was, I share this with you because I want to share it with our audience, because I do believe there is a great awakening, an awakening to the dealings of Israel that is harmful to us and actually harmful to Jews worldwide, a great awakening to corporations, corrupting our government, getting our money, subsidizing their shitty wages to their employees. And then they have to get on, you know, services and shitty healthcare and all of these things.

1:28:44And I think there's a great awakening to all of this. And I understand that my vote now for Hillary Clinton was me falling prey to corporate propaganda. My heart was in the right place. I was a liberal, one of the few in Oklahoma City. And I was brave enough to put a sign for a Democrat in my yard, which were few and far between. But I didn't go far enough. And I have now. And I think that in your conversation, Cenk, that we need to be open. if we agree with somebody who's an insufferable twat like marjorie taylor green if we agree with her on three or four things embrace those agreements and when we're wrong or if somebody you know is wrong but they've evolved don't keep going nanny nanny boo boo five years ago you said this and those two things are kind of linked in getting us through this because we have to get over i agree with you we have to get over maga stuff which occupies a lot of real estate in my brain admittedly, but we have to also get over all of this corporate bullshit stuff.

1:29:49We have pumps and I have five kids between us. She has three, I have two, and I want them to grow up in a great country that they can be proud of, which brings me to my last had it or hit it, Cenk, had it or hit it, the United States of America. Oh, no, hit it. Uh, so, uh, look, the we're immigrants. So I came to the country when I was eight, I didn't speak any English. Uh, I was born in Istanbul. Uh, and I have an interesting perspective because I lived outside of the country. And so we came here because of the idea of America. Like if we thought America was about white people or Christians or anything along those lines, we wouldn't have come.

1:30:36because then we're not welcome, right? But what's awesome about America is it says, no, you're all welcome, right? That's supposed to be the driving message of America and the idea of America. And now it doesn't mean for my right-wing friends, okay, it doesn't mean that we have open borders and we let everybody in, right? No, of course, every country has to have a process, right? And we have to make a joint decision. How many people are we gonna let in? How many people are we not gonna let in, et cetera? Northern Europe actually does this a lot. They are very liberal, described by some as socialists, etc.

1:31:11Great social safety net, but a lot of them don't allow a lot of immigrants in, right? So I get it. Different countries set the different parameters, etc. etc. But overall, we came for the idea of America, which is we're all equal, we're all free, and we seek truth and justice. So, and some people go, yeah, but Jake, we don't really do that. I mean, look at what we're doing in Venezuela, look at what we did in Iraq, look at all the coups, look at all this, look at all the corruption you talk about nonstop on Young Turks, right? I know, guys, but it's great to have those principles and ideas out there to strive for, right and it allows us to come back and say wait did you mean equality or did you not when they're attacking trans people or anyone else right so i love that idea and i'm here for it and i'm super corny about it i'm like very very patriotic about it and so and what's in the constitution you're supposed to amend it it's such a beautiful document it says you should do revolutions every generation.

1:32:16It just should be a political one. How you do a revolution is not through pitchforks or violence or any of that. You do a revolution through the Constitution. Every amendment is a revolution. And so what we need now more than anything else to get America back to its ideals is an amendment to get money out of politics. Because if we don't get the money out, no matter what the issue is, they're just going to go back and do whatever the hell they want. And Jennifer, I had the same kind of experience that you did, but in a little different way, because so you were, you know, programmed to believe Hillary was the answer, et cetera, et cetera.

1:32:55When we came to this country, we were programmed by mainstream media. And one of the reasons why I, as you can tell, I can't stand them, right, is because they brainwashed us into thinking that Reagan was a cowboy. Oh, yeah. And we, and got us to believe Shining City on a Hill, morning in America because they never said he wasn't a cowboy. I wrote this book, Justice is Coming. Chapter five is called The Matrix and it's about mainstream media. And I give example after example. MSNBC, Chris Matthews would talk about how George Bush landed on the aircraft carrier on the day of mission accomplished.

1:33:33And he was like a pilot and he was such a manly guy. And Fred Thompson would dress up as a guy in his pickup truck he would drive a limo to a beat-up old pickup truck and then after he was done with the photo op he would drive back in the limo and the press didn't report the limo and Chris Matthews was like Fred Thompson smells of aqua velva like a leathery man that women love I'm like what would you know about what women love So we've been hearing this crap. And by the way, I mean, he completed the whole thing. He was like, and Rudy Giuliani is the top on the beat. Like, wait, you're supposed to be the Democrat on MSNBC.

1:34:13Are you telling me that you like nearly sexually fantasize about all of these Republican senators and politicians? Right? We were sold a bill of goods. They didn't care too much if you voted corporate Republican or corporate Democrat, but corporate media cared a lot that you voted for corporate politicians and not someone who's going to represent you. And so it's okay, though. Open minds, open minds. If Jennifer and I didn't have open minds, we wouldn't be where we are today, right? And so it's so important to have that open mind. Go reach out to a fellow Democrat, to a fellow citizen, no matter who they voted for, and you might be surprised at the number of agreements.

1:34:54The last thing on that is we do a thing called Populous Plank. On TYT, it's populistplank.com is how you could find it. And there's six different issues. And they're all core democratic policy issues. And almost every independent agrees with them. And a giant chunk of MAGA guys also agree with them. So what are these magical policies? Anti-war, anti-corruption, getting money out of politics, paid family leave higher minimum wage hence higher wages for everyone negotiate drug prices and don't let private equity buy residential real estate they're going to steal all our homes and they're going to turn us into renters okay and when i tell those six policies again core democratic policies almost every time on almost every one of those issues even right-wing voters go hell yeah that's exactly right in fact i'll end on a shocking story how did i wind up in going to all these right-wing shows in the first place well we were at the rnc in 2024 and charlie kirk comes by and says hey do you mind if i sit down and do an interview with you guys and we're like that's already surprising right but we're like sure we're the young turks we're open-minded we'll have conversation with anyone charlie sits down we still disagree on a whole bunch of stuff i mean And they lionized them and made them a hero, et cetera.

1:36:19But I see the full picture. And I know that before he died, he was talking about how Islam is the enemy, right? And how Mamdani was going to take over New York for Muslims, et cetera. On the other hand, we get into that conversation. And I mentioned the private equity thing of buying the residential real estate. And he goes, you're right. We shouldn't let Wall Street buy residential real estate. And I was like, I had never seen a Republican say that before. because in my experience, they were all trained by Fox News and Rush Limbaugh with corporate talking points. But here was populism breaking out on the right wing.

1:36:53And populism on the right wing in some ways could be dangerous on some of these identity issues. But populism on the right wing at least gets as one giant upside. It's past corporate talking points. It's past supporting corporations because Rupert Murdoch and Rush Limbaugh told you to, right? Right. So there was Charlie Kirk going goddamn right. Do not let them buy our homes, because if we do, it's not going to matter if you're right wing or left wing. We're all going to be indentured servants to corporations. And so the fact that that's even breaking out on the right wing is a miracle and it's wonderful.

1:37:28So let's take that win. We'll fight, you know, them on all of the other issues. And super last thing that ties all of this together. It's a free country. so I could fight Marjorie Taylor Greene 100 % on our opinions on January 6th or trans people or any of that and we could have a vicious fight over it and turn around and go yeah we should take money out of politics not that complicated right yeah I just I can't thank you enough for coming on it's it's very cool and kind of surreal to have you on and please tell Anna I'm so obsessed with her I think she's a badass bitch love her we'd love to have her on the podcast as well Thank you for all of your insights.

1:38:09I needed this. I felt like it was part political conversation and a little bit of therapy that I needed to remind myself of the commonalities that we can have and that those are important because I can be such a feisty twat sometimes, just like impulsive. I know that comes as a surprise. And I needed to hear that. I need that. That was really good to hear. So thank you so much, Cenk. Can I give you just some love back? first i love you guys so i think you're doing incredible work and i think what you're doing is so important because so young turks is the oldest show in online history uh we've been going for over 20 years online we're the first youtube partner channel so i'm the original youtuber and the reason i bring that up is because we've been standing a post for over 20 years waiting for the cavalry and you're the cavalry.

1:39:05So when I see you saying the things that are correct and waking your audience up to the reality, oh my God, I've been waiting for it for decades. So thank you so much for doing what you do. Well, thank you for lighting the fire. Yeah, because it's, I mean, it's just, it's really important. The work that we're all doing is important and you laid the psychological groundwork for us to be able to jump on where we are and evolve in the way that we have. And I think everybody right now needs an off ramp to whatever echo chamber they're in so that we can have conversations like this to make a better, safer, cooler country for ourselves.

1:39:49Absolutely. Pumps, do you have anything to say to Cenk? No, I'm just sitting here. I'm really, I'm trying to process a lot of what we talked about because I think it's super important and it's a great perspective to have because I, myself having evolved so much politically and personally, making space for someone to do that, I'm a hypocrite if I don't do that. It's basically what I'm sitting here thinking about. Yeah, we're going to be better. We're going to be better, gang. We're going to be better at least for the remainder of today. Aren't we all trying to do that, right? So, you know, again, I also love the theme of this show, right?

1:40:35Like, and it's not just about politics. Like you guys asked me, you know, what have I had it with, right? And one of the things that I put on my list that wasn't political at all is our definition of success. And people are obsessed with money and status and fame and all these things. But does that actually get you to happiness? The point is supposed to be, okay, I'm going to get rich or I'm going to get this and then I'm going to get to happiness. Okay, one, I've interviewed almost everyone that's reached those heights. right people like Ray Dalio one of the richest men in the world Norman Lee or one of the most successful people in entertainment history and uh and it goes on and on and every time I ask him the same question at the end you wake up happy because you killed it like your whole life is legendary right and none of them say yes um it didn't work so my answer is go straight to happiness okay so And joy is an act of defiance.

1:41:36But in order to get there, you have to be on the same road we are politically, which is open mind. Because if you were taught success is wealth, success is status, you're not going to get off that track, right? But if you're taught, no, wait a minute, success is whatever makes you most satisfied, you most fulfilled, you living the best life you can, getting the most out of life. Then you'll be on a different track. And the way you got there onto the correct track is that you kept an open mind. If we don't learn from our mistakes, we're wasting all those gifts that life gave us. Every mistake is a gift because it lets you learn from it, grow and become a better person.

1:42:20And I think all three of us have done that politically in different ways. And I think it's a beautiful thing to teach our audiences. I do too. Cenk, thank you so much. Thank you guys. Again, I can't appreciate you enough. You're awesome. All right. Thank you. We'll see you soon. Okay. I feel like I had a therapy session. Did you? I did too. And I, he's really smart, but he's very, he's a great communicator. He's a really good communicator. And I feel like he, I feel like he's very, you know, he's a seasoned veteran at this and he hits so many good points. And as you're, as you're processing what he's saying my brain will go one place and it's like he kind of intuitively knows and he stamps that out in the conversation or uh resolves it i think he's very good and i also i think it's pretty cool that he's he and hassan both so passionate about all of this stuff a little bit different political ideologies but i think that's very cool yeah and i'm sitting here thinking does elon musk wake up happy that's the most miserable no he doesn't on the planet i mean can you imagine being the richest man on earth and that fucking miserable all right yeah he needs to go to rehab all right that's all we have i think i was just so happy to have jay it was a super long episode but i thought everything he said was so helpful yeah and um tell them when we'll see them we'll see you next tuesday and thursday

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