Born Again Virgins for Trump

3 Sep 2026 · 46 min · 13 chapters

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In short

The hosts rant about AI replacing human customer service and fooling people with realistic social media “thirst traps,” then pivot to pro-social, offline life (parks/third spaces). They also discuss politics/culture, including MAGA reactions to Michelle Obama’s empty-nesting comments, and broader themes of sexual shame and hypocrisy.

Guests

No named guests appear in the transcript. The episode features the hosts (Jennifer, Angie, Kylie) and mentions “Pumps,” “Ryan,” and “Josh” as part of their show circle, but not as interviewed guests.

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Key claims

AI chatbots can repeatedly fail to recognize order numbers and delay human contact; AI thirst traps can be indistinguishable from real people; MAGA attacks Michelle Obama for saying she enjoys empty nesting; conservative sexual shame fuels “born again virgin” narratives.

Notable examples

A 38-minute chatbot ordeal; an Instagram “UPS guy” revealed as AI after finger/behavior scrutiny; Washington Square Park rabbit-walking routine; Nancy DeLostrita’s DMV plate “SQZ A55” read as “squeeze ass.”

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Chapters

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Grievances with AI

0:22 to 2:21

Discussion on frustrations with AI customer service and its inefficiencies.

“Okay, I was like, I've had it so hard that I was homicidal.”

Impact of Isolation and AI

2:21 to 3:16

Exploration of isolation's effects post-COVID and the limitations of AI technology.

“And in a lot of ways, it's not that great of a product.”

Attraction to an AI Character

3:16 to 5:48

A humorous recount of becoming infatuated with an AI-generated character.

“You hear people on both sides talk about, oh, lockdowns were so bad and it was so bad for the kids because they were so isolated.”

Real Life Encounters in NYC

10:30 to 14:00

A delightful story about witnessing rabbits in Washington Square Park.

“And I bet he would love to listen to me grown on about stupid shit and me nonsensical.”

Pets and Parks: The Joy of Third Spaces

14:00 to 16:30

Explore the joy of spending time with pets in parks and the importance of shared public spaces.

“Don't matchmakers make a ton of money now?”

The Mysterious Support for Trump

16:40 to 18:50

Discussing the perplexing support for Trump among intelligent individuals.

“This one is five stars titled Supernatural.”

Sexual Shame and Parenting

18:50 to 21:00

Examining the connection between sexual shame, upbringing, and political views.

“I get to pick who, whom I want to spend my spare time with.”

Born Again Virgins: A Cultural Commentary

21:00 to 23:10

A humorous take on the concept of 'born again virgins' and their beliefs.

“It's like at that age, what you're doing is teaching people, this is your body.”

Michelle Obama's Reflections on Empty Nesting

23:10 to 28:03

Discussing Michelle Obama's insights on empty nesting and motherhood.

“And we're still dealing with these crazy Christians to this day and the Puritans.”

Michelle Obama's Take on Empty Nesting

28:03 to 31:50

Discussion on Michelle Obama's perspective on embracing empty nesting and mothering.

“This is Michelle Obama on her podcast and she's opening up about empty nesting and Pumps has been an empty nester for two years and myself for one.”
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The MAGA Response to Michelle's Comments

31:50 to 33:32

Exploration of MAGA's backlash against Michelle Obama's views on motherhood.

“which comes as really not that big a surprise.”

Critique of Donald Trump's Parenting

33:32 to 36:52

Critique of Trump's relationship with his children compared to the Obamas.

“says, their whole ethos is owning the libs.”

Nancy's License Plate Surprise

36:52 to 41:27

A humorous story about a senior woman receiving a risqué license plate.

“I don't think I've heard much about the kids.”
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0:02Angie Sullivan:So are we supposed to start the podcast? Ready? One, two, three. Patriots, gay-triots, they-triots, black-triots, brown-triots, everybody that is not MAGA, we love you. And the triple Trumpers can do what, Pumps? Fuck off! Pumps, what have you had it with? Okay, I was like, I've had it so hard that I was homicidal. So I've had it with AI in general, of course, and I could go on. But specifically, I'm talking about when you need customer service and you're trying to reach out about a problem and you can't just reach out. You can't even email nowadays. You can't talk. You can't even talk to a computer.

0:49You have to chat box. You have to AI chat box and they always give it a name. You know, it's a trendy name. What the fuck? Okay. So I'm chatting with the box and they need my account number or my order number. So I get it. I actually had my order number and I give it to them. Well, we don't recognize that order number. So I give it again. We don't recognize the order number. You know me, I'm terrible at tech. So I thought, well, maybe this is not right. Maybe it's me. So I go in. Anyway, short story long, it took me 38 minutes to convince the chat box that I had the right order number, but that I needed to actually speak with the representative.

1:33And then the chat box told me that the representative would call me, but it would be four hours later. So four hours later, I get a call. I'm at the gym. So I have to race and get my phone or whatever to find out what my order number was. I give him the order number and I said, he said, oh yeah, it pulls right up. And I said, well, I gave the chat box that like 500 times. And he said, yeah, well, you know, the AI doesn't always understand the terms. So it, sometimes it just doesn't get it even if you have the right number. What? Why do we have AI then? Why do we have AI? I fucking hate AI. Hate it, hate it, hate it.

2:18I've had it. Stop with AI.

2:20Angie Sullivan:Well, and it gets worse when you think about the AI investment, this product that you couldn't communicate with, is what is, in a very Ponzi scheme style manner, holding up the economy right now. And in a lot of ways, it's not that great of a product. I've read that they predict that AI is the one that picked the target of the Iranian school, allegedly. Or there's been suggestions to that. So AI is just, I have Claude. And sometimes I have it do some things for me. But in general, the whole idea that all of these AI bots are going to come in and take all of these jobs when the service they're providing is not very good, as you just spelled out for us, it's pretty depressing.

3:15Angie Sullivan:And I think we're all dealing with, since COVID, the aftermath of isolation, especially Zoomers. You hear people on both sides talk about, oh, lockdowns were so bad and it was so bad for the kids because they were so isolated. And we know from psychiatrists and psychologists that connectedness is so important for the human experience, for longevity, for health, for all of these things. these billionaire oligarchs aside from fucking up your return um they want to isolate us even further and that's that's the real danger of this but i have a grievance similar to that so i was on instagram and i'm scrolling through and all of a sudden there's like this hot ass ups guy.

4:04Angie Sullivan:I mean, hot 12 out of 10. And he's doing a dance in the back of his truck. I mean, and he's like, I mean, just a total smoke show. Right. And I'm just like, oh my God. But as I'm watching him do his dance, I'm like, he's a really polished, like polished looking, uh, his muscles, everything. I was like, I'm just so attracted to this guy. And then I thought, and then as I got to the end of the video, I was like, is he gay or is he European? Because, you know, there's a fine line for American, you know, somebody who in Europe, a man that is cultured could come to America and be more gay passing because, you know, we have the bro manosphere, you know, dipshits that have to wear, you know, with their guts out, pink arms and all of, I'm a big badass.

4:52Angie Sullivan:I'm going to the boot camp. I listened to Andrew Tate and, you know, Alex Jones, fuck yeah, Meg. You know, we have those kind of men so i go to his page because it showed up like in my for you page i'm like okay well i'm going to figure out is this guy european because i think he might be european i'm still clinging on that maybe he's straight because he's really polished and i'm like is a straight man capable of being this polished even if they're european i'll be goddamned he is an ai account really yes yes you could not tell and you can kind of tell i was like because i was is he gay is he straight so now the new thing when i see this i'm be like are they gay are they gay are they european or are they uh ai yeah and the guy and all these women are like drooling like great moves oh my god but and i'm like you know i'm like mrs robinson over here like he's totally i love this ups guy i'm totally in on it.

5:48Angie Sullivan:Yeah, he's fake. Total fucking bullshit. I'm thirst trapping over a made up, hot. The reason I couldn't figure out if he was European or if he was gay was because he was too good to be true. Right. What's the saying? When it's too good to be true, it usually is how that goes. Here's the thing. If you couldn't tell, that makes me even more nervous because I really can't tell. I sent my kids like some reel or something and I was like, oh my gosh, look at this. This is the best. And they're like, mom, it's AI. I've done that a million times to Kylie. I've sent something not knowing it was AI. And then I started looking at fingers.

6:30Isn't that the tell sometimes like the fingers are weird? I can't tell. It's going to get worse. I'm going to get catfished. I mean, it's just a matter of time before I get on this podcast and say, I am in love. I've met the man that I am going to marry. We are going to run away. We are going to be so happy. And he's going to be an AI bot. That's just going to happen. That's my next phase of life.

6:55Angie Sullivan:It might be kind of perfect, the perfect relationship for you. It would definitely have its advantages. I wouldn't have to doll up before we went out. If I didn't want to talk, I could Just put them on mute. Nobody's feelings would be hurt. It's not all bad. Yeah. Maybe I can introduce you to the UPS.

7:19Angie Sullivan:Let me see if I can find that. I think I might have saved it so Kylie can play it so the Gaytriots can just thirst trap with me. Because I think, let me see if I can find it. All right, here he is.

7:35Angie Sullivan:oh my gosh, he is hot. Right? So you can see how - Look at his bod. Right. So I was totally into it, right? And I watched this, I watched it like five or six times. Look at him there. And I'm like, okay, all right. Yeah. Quads. Because a lot of these men, they work too much on their chest and then they have chicken legs. Have you noticed that trend? That like - Yeah, you see it. The brosphere, they're doing all of this chest and shoulder stuff. And then you see them in shorts and it's like toothpicks we've got chicken legs going on that guy the ups driver kylie if you'll play him again i want you to notice the quadriceps he did not neglect his lower body which i truly appreciate look at those quads he's he is fully perfect it's just a little snack if i don't say so myself i was like i mean he's just and his beard is perfect exactly now ryan and kylie could you tell that this was AI immediately?

8:30Angie Sullivan:Did they say yes? They said it within a couple of seconds. I, uh, embarrassingly, this was a 30 minute journey for me. I went, he's got to be gay. There's no way that a straight man is that liberated. There's no way that a straight American man is, uh, is give a fuck meter. Is that broken that he would just like, look, I'm hot. I'm a great dancer. And then I was like, well, maybe he's not American. He must be European. He's got to be European because I'm still holding out that he's straight. And then I was like, he's probably gay. Only a gay man can have that kind of confidence, that kind of body.

9:05Angie Sullivan:The beard, as you mentioned, groomed perfectly. And then it ended, he's AI. Okay, listener, especially you ladies, you know that bras are something we just have to wear. They're non-negotiable. But I like bras that feel like I'm not wearing a bra. I'm so tired of going home from work, ripping my bra off and just like, oh, I finally feel comfortable. I want that comfort all day long. That's why I'm thrilled to share with you my discovery of Honey Love. Honey Love makes the most amazing shapewear on the planet. I particularly am obsessed with their Cloud Embrace bra. It's a total game changer. It's soft, it's breathable, and it's incredibly comfortable, but still supportive enough to replace your old underwire bras.

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10:42I bet he would think I was just, I could program to say, you're just the greatest thing in the whole world all the time.

10:48Angie Sullivan:They do. That's how the chatbots are. They are completely obsequious, or as you call them, chatboxes. What do you call them? Chatbot. Oh, bot. Bot. Bot, okay. Chatbot. Got it. Okay. The chatbot is in the chatbox, so I can see how. but um but i want to share also so that was my grievance that i embarrassingly gen x'd it it took me 30 minutes to realize that a guy that i had just lusted after was in fact not real at all um but it was fun that was one of those things where i'm like but then afterwards i also felt like come on let's put real people on the internet but i want to share a real story which is why I think we should all spend a lot of time offline.

11:36Angie Sullivan:So this past Saturday, my friend Renee and I went, took my dogs to Washington Square Park. And everybody knows that my dogs don't particularly like dog parks because they don't like other dogs unless they're Frenchies. So we didn't go to the dog park. We just sat on a bench in the shade and watched all of the magnificent New York unfold before our eyes. and all of a sudden these two men appeared walking down the sidewalk in front of our bench and I assumed that they were a couple and each of them had a tray in their hand and on the tray of one guy was a brown fluffy rabbit bunny rabbit and on the tray of the other guy was a white and gray fluffy rabbit like white with gray spots and like a white with brown spots and they had their rabbits on a tray and they just walked into Washington Square Park.

12:34I'm like, what's going

12:35Angie Sullivan:on here? Like, I really wanted to play with the rabbits, but my dogs think that they're hunters. They have a zero percent catch and kill rate, FYI, to the squirrel. Zero percent. But they still think they are incredible, like badass hunters. So they end up going into this little, like little mini fenced in area in Washington Square Park and they took their rabbits off the tray and the rabbits just roamed around freely oh i love that so it's a little play area for rabbits so i i finally i'm like renee's like go over there and talk to them like if i get up and walk over there my dogs are gonna have a stage five meltdown because they're codependent toxic all of the things you go and so she goes over there and she talks to them and they just every weekend they bring their rabbits to washington square park and they just put them down and they run around and And they were like, everybody's taking pictures with them.

13:28Angie Sullivan:And they get to go run around freely. And then the little tray, like there's no crate or anything. And they've just trained these rabbits to sit on the tray. And they carry them like a waiter. And then we watched them for like 45 minutes. Renee got to go. She got all the pictures and everything of them. But they were so great. And I'm like, you can actually, if you have public parks, you can get off internet and just go sit on a bench and watch the real life reels and TikToks take place in front of you. And not the fake hot UPS driver man that I fell in love with, that I'm going to set pumps up with.

14:05Angie Sullivan:Yeah, that's going to be my divorce. Matchmaker. Don't I have to pay you? Don't matchmakers make a ton of money now? Obviously. Yeah. He's very expensive, the UPS man. I found him, so there is a finder's fee. you know what i love it's so let's say you have a different animal let's say you have like a gerbil or something that you want to let out play so it's just this little area that you can just let any kind of it's why are you laughing just the gerbil lore in general letting a gerbil out to play

14:46okay it just kind of cracked me up the gerbil to play in your chat box uh it's but that's cool that there's a little area for other animals i love that i do love a rabbit oh my god they were

15:01Angie Sullivan:so cute. They were fluffy and they were so well-behaved and they just hopped around and looked at everybody. And they kind of, if they stayed close to their owners and then the three of them would kind of stay together. And Renee got the, all the, I was like, I need to know, please go over there, ask them what the deal is. And she asked them like, have you ever lost one? And one of the guys goes, yeah. One time he called me, he's like, I can't find whatever the rabbit's name was. So I had to come over and then we found it. They found the rabbit but they were so well-behaved and so civilized and they just wrote on their little trays.

15:35Angie Sullivan:It was such a cool thing. It's something that we are spending a lot of time looking for stuff like that on Instagram or TikTok to see something cool like that. And if you just put your fucking phone down and go sit in a park, these third spaces that sociologists and psychiatrists say boost your happy factor. If you live in a place that has a third space where you have work and home and then a lot of cities don't have a shared third space and new york has a bunch of them and so i've been really now that it's not so hot really just going and sitting in parks my dogs are much happier now that we don't go sit in the dog park they're much happier sitting in the human park because they're such insufferable twats and and they sit there with me and then these dogs walk by dogs walk by they ignore ignore ignore ignore and then a frenchie comes by and then And they're like, and then that Frenchie's like to them.

16:27Angie Sullivan:And then they're, it's unbelievable, these dogs of mine. Anyway, welcome to I've Had It. I'm Jennifer. I'm Angie. Kylie. Hi. Hi. Hi. I got two reviews for you. This one is five stars titled Supernatural. And Torn Prince writes, love, love, love, love your show. Proud gay treats over here. Jen pumps Kylie. Y 'all are fabulous. We crush on Josh and Ryan too. Don't worry, boys. What I don't understand is that when I watch Trump or really anyone in a circle speak or see the things they're doing, the corruption, the lies, the insanity, it's all obvious. How his supporters in government and news seem completely oblivious to it is beyond me.

17:06My father is one of the most intelligent men I know, and he's full MAGA, though I've been slowly adjusting his YouTube algorithm to better stuff, including iHit. We have a theory. It has to be supernatural. Witchcraft. Something. Maybe some super coven of Etsy witches casting crazy spells to hide it all, deal with the devil or whatever soul bargaining entity may be out there. It's just unreal. And I have a hard time accepting that anyone can see the same things I see and go, yeah, that sounds above board. I just can't. Anyways, love y 'all. Keep it up.

17:43Angie Sullivan:Yeah, that's always the mystery is how people can see like this person commits a crime or lies. And they're like, well, that's a liar. That's a criminal. What the fuck? And then when it gets to Donald Trump, it's just they're completely crawled up his ass and parked. And it's just it's really devastating how much damage this man has done to the country. But then if you shrink it down to a local level, the families, the friendships, the because for me, like it's just a deal breaker. If somebody is a supporter of Trump right now, I want nothing, nothing, nothing to do with you. You're not my person.

18:24Like, it's not like you're a supporter of Mitt Romney. You are supporting racism.

18:31Angie Sullivan:You're supporting putting kids in concentration camps. You're supporting the indiscriminate murder of peaceful protesters or peaceful observers with Renee Good and Alex Preddy. And I just, it's just, it's, it's just a red line for me. Like life is too short. I get to pick who, whom I want to spend my spare time with. But I mean, truth be told, spoiler alert, I've never really had that many Republican friends long before Trump. if I'm really being honest here, I've always been pretty intolerant of Republicans. I have, because in Oklahoma, I just saw how homophobic, well, no, in Oklahoma, I saw how they would go frequent their hairdresser or go to a friend with his friend named Kent, and he was this eccentric gay realtor.

19:25Angie Sullivan:He's deceased now, but he would always throw these incredible Christmas parties. And like any gay man would, it was just phenomenal. He put up this huge tent. He had dancers. It was just a rager of a party. And see all these people that would go to his event because they wanted to see him be seen. And then they would go vote for George W. Bush's policies, which was explicitly homophobia, explicitly against gay marriage. And so, honestly, I've always been this big of a bitch about this stuff. It's not new. Well, I don't think it's being bitchy. But when I read that, the first thing that when Kylie was reading it, the first thing that popped up in my mind was growing up, my mother was you cannot have sex before marriage.

20:05Sex is a sin. There was so much sexual shame. Having sex outside marriage. Just all. Just you can imagine. And then she defended Donald Trump fucking a porn star with a brand-newborn baby. and while his wife was pregnant having an affair with a Playboy playmate. She made excuses for that. And to this day, I don't understand it other than it's everything we've talked about ad nauseam. It's taxes. It's racism. It's, in my opinion, a lot of it comes from I'm better than you. I get to judge other people because of the religious shit. But it still confounds me every day because that was such a snapshot growing up in my life about sex.

20:58Angie Sullivan:It's like brainwashing to say you can't have sex before marriage. It's like at that age, what you're doing is teaching people, this is your body. If somebody tries to touch you, you say no. You don't talk about sex. It's a really weird component in that Southern Baptist evangelical world where, my opinion, and you see it with Moses Mike Grinder Johnson marrying his daughter at the purity ball to keep her virginity safe until he gives it to her husband, which is the weirdest shit on the planet. In a way, it's kind of sexualizing children in a really perverse, exploitative way. I don't think it's appropriate to start talking to children about sex.

21:43Angie Sullivan:And then these are the same people that are all jacked up on drag queens and trans people sexualizing kids. And to date, I've been to a lot of drag shows. I've never seen an agenda where drag queens were wanting to sexualize children. But to the contrary, from anecdotally your story pumps to anecdotally all of my friends growing up who had a very similar upbringing to yours, my peers in elementary school. I never heard in my house, like don't have sex before marriage. I heard it from a peer in third or fourth grade. And I had to go home and ask my mother, why can't people have sex before marriage?

22:28Angie Sullivan:My mother of the age is just like, oh God, Jennifer, for God's sake, that's ridiculous. This is something people do. My mother would always call it do it she goes well sometimes people want to do it before marriage and it's not that big of a deal remember in the 80s it was like that's what we called it did you do it did you do it yeah yeah and and so it was just a but i think it's a really interesting i don't know we should talk to a psychologist or something about it but they're the ones that are talking to kids about sex and like famously sarah palin if we go back to the george w bush era she was all about abstinence only abstinence only abstinence only she has all these kids named like trig and leaf and branch and trunk and all these weird weird ass fucking names right for her kids she's got like you know nine of them and then all of the kids guess what knocked up before marriage and so it's just it's so crazy that all of the sexual shame the pure see this is what happened when our ancestors came over here and colonized the United States.

23:34Angie Sullivan:We got the crazy Christians. We got the Puritans. All the cool people stayed in Europe. And we're still dealing with these crazy Christians to this day and the Puritans. All the modesty and all that. I remember the first time I went to Europe and I saw like titties on a beach. I was like, oh my God. But they're just, they don't care. They're over here. Everything's so taboo that, remember, I remember we did an episode a long time ago that some teacher in Florida got fired or put on probation because she showed a picture of Michelangelo's David. Yeah. Which, I mean, if you're going to fire somebody, that's the smallest penis I've ever seen in my life.

24:08Angie Sullivan:It's a beautiful statue. But I was so disappointed at the penis size when I got there to Florence. Yeah, totally. It's so funny because we were on a boat on vacation where the man and the woman were both naked. And we were all just like, oh my gosh. I mean, we were just like looking at, I mean, they were old and like grandparents, you know, but I was just like, good for fucking them. There's no way I would prance around this boat with the sagging dragons out for the war, but they didn't care. And I was like, it might go back to the modesty thing. I mean, I'm, I'm immodest now, but I was raised in a very, you know, cover yourself, all that shit.

24:49But yeah, I would just, so I was kind of like, God, I don't think I ever could do that. I don't think I could prance around on a boat butt naked for all the world to see. And I wish I could because there was just zero shame in it. Oh, I think you could.

25:04Angie Sullivan:You think I could? Yes. You're the most immodest person I know. No, I know. But just like other – You've answered your door knowing that I – But I knew it was you. No, but Betsy, whom you had never met before. I said, hey, I want to introduce you to my friend Betsy. Oh, that's right. She's my neighbor. You're going to love her. I just met her. She moved in three doors down. I want to introduce her to her. She's awesome. He's like, okay, y 'all come over. So Betsy and I go over to Pumps' house, and I ring the front doorbell. She doesn't answer. I said, okay, we'll walk around back. And she has these two sliding glass doors around back.

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25:37Angie Sullivan:We walk around back, and Pumps comes parading to the door with me standing there. And then Betsy, whom she's never met before, brushing her teeth, unlocks the door, slides the door open, and goes, y 'all come on in. I'm just still getting ready. And then walks back. I mean, the dragons are flopping. Her ass is flopping. My friend Betsy just bends over, dying, laughing. And she's like, is she for real right now? I was like, yeah, her give a fuck meter is completely broken. So I do think it wouldn't take much for you to be naked on the boat. Well, maybe I would. But I just admire people that are that free because I don't have that freedom.

26:16Angie Sullivan:This is why I admire you, because you answer your front door naked. With my back door. I'm sorry you answer your back door naked when you know that that you do not know the person you have this you have this what you admire you have so admire yourself I don't know about that you do just going back to I it there was so much sexual shit like you're talking about like I didn't know it at the time but so much sexual shame in that like even talking So it becomes dirty and naughty. So then you want to do it on the down low. Well, I mean, that was my experience. We know that I did not walk down the aisle deserving of white.

26:59You don't say. Yeah.

27:02Angie Sullivan:Just had a little problem. And then after you do it, then there's a shame cycle, right? Oh, my God. Yes. What about the born again virgins?

27:15Angie Sullivan:My favorite. is my favorite. I mean, I think it's so great where they have done it. They've tasted it. They've done it doggy. They've done it on top. They've 69. They've done every way you can do it. And then it feels so good. You know, these teenagers are 18, 19 year olds like this is incredible. And it should be, there should be no shame. And then it's like, this is wrong. I think, I think I'm going to be a born again virgin. I'm going to get my virginity back to God. And it's like, pray it back, pray it back. I'm going to pray back my virginity. The born again virgin is my favorite. I love it.

27:55Angie Sullivan:But you know, I kind of love blasphemy and all that stuff too. So, okay. Um, I want to play a clip, uh, that I think Pumps and I will have a lot to say about. This is Michelle Obama on her podcast and she's opening up about empty nesting and Pumps has been an empty nester for two years and myself for one. So we both recently very much experienced this. So let's play the first part of the clip. The energy and excitement of the kids being around is so incredible. I don't miss them. I don't. I love them. I'm going to see them tonight for dinner. I love them. But, you know, Barack cried when they went to college.

28:32Angie Sullivan:I was like, bye, little. Goodbye. Now, Friday nights aren't wrecked with terror and fear about where are you? where are you right you know i was i love their emancipation and growth and the thing i miss though is the job and i think she goes on she's like i don't miss it i don't and i thought that was so healthy and i think that is such an important so there's so much guilt in being a mother and there's all of this stuff that's projected onto you that you couldn't say something like that And the reason that Michelle Obama can say that is because she's been an incredible mother. She has advocated for her kids every step of the way with her vote and with her lifestyle and her example.

29:23Angie Sullivan:And she and her husband, Barack Obama, have led her girls, have shown this is the way a man's supposed to treat a woman. They've poured into those kids. And just because your kids move out, you don't end on being a mother. but that daily taxing nonstop. And I think this was such a healthy thing for her to say and to normalize because in Oklahoma in particular, there is this mindset. And this is my experience where we're like, I'm just so depressed. My kids left. I'm just so depressed. And it's like this contagion. And you feel like, I remember thinking like, I don't want to be depressed when my kids leave.

30:00Angie Sullivan:I'm going to move to New York. Like, why does this have to, why are we acting like this is a Why is life over? They're still my kids. They still like, and I love that she said, I'm enjoying their emancipation. I totally agree with that. I have so enjoyed watching my kids go out and pick up from the world the things they couldn't pick up from me because they were dismissive of me and of Josh. And so I love that she's done this. Well, we know that, I mean, I've been the happiest I've ever been since my kids moved out. I did not cry. I was like, I love you. Goodbye. I used to dread when they would come home for the summer.

30:41Now, this summer was good because, you know, this summer was a lot better. But I have loved my kids moving out. I have been the happiest. Everybody that says, oh, my gosh, I'm an empty nester, I'm like, you're going to fucking love it. It's going to be like a new world. And I love my kids. I love being with my kids. I don't want to be a full-time mother to adults. I did my mothering. I've done it. I enjoy them. I love them. All the things. They know I love them. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Caveat, you know, blah, blah. The reality is I love that my kids are out of the house. I enjoy them more.

31:19We were on vacation and I saw people with little kids and I turned to them and I said, I am so fucking happy you all are adults. I like you so much more as adults. It was a lot of fucking work when you were little, and now we're having fun. So I am team Michelle on that. Nobody's been happier about the emptiness than me.

31:41Angie Sullivan:I completely agree with you. And right on cue, MAGA has had a meltdown about Michelle saying this. Let's play the clip. She's not missing the experience of actively mothering her children, which comes as really not that big a surprise. If you listen to Michelle Obama over the years, she has, I mean, almost uniformly negative comments to make about being a mother and being a wife. She did not enjoy it in any way, shape or form. OK, so she's just lying right there. There is no Michelle Obama that I watched. She very much enjoyed being a wife. But at the same time, she was a very realistic first lady and she's a very realistic podcaster where she would say, this is hard.

32:27Angie Sullivan:I did not want Barack to be president. I didn't want this life, but I'm in it now. And Michelle Obama is a Ivy League educated lawyer and an incredibly successful person. And look no further to the fact that their children didn't grift off the executive branch the way the Trump grifting, parasitic pieces of shit little kids, even Barron now is grifting. He's worth$150 million. Sasha and Malia are worth nowhere near that. But let me just say this. what is mag and more mad about at first you're mad because these kids are going home and living with their parents look at these fucking losers that that are still living at home in the basement okay and then then here's michelle in the most healthy imaginable way i love my kids i'm gonna have dinner with them tonight i am enjoying their emancipation i'm mothered i did it that job is done i'm not gonna wallow in it i enjoy being an empty nester she says something incredibly healthy.

33:30Angie Sullivan:And then they're mad at that. So that shows you, listener, that no matter what a liberal says, their whole ethos is owning the libs. If Michelle said, I miss my kids. I just wish Malia and Sasha were back. And we had Bo and Sonny, the dogs, and we were all just spooning and rocking each other and braiding each other's hair all night long. It'd just be the greatest thing on the planet. Megyn Kelly would wake up and turn on her microphone and go, look at how codependent and toxic Michelle Obama is. It wouldn't matter what Michelle Obama said there, but I'll tell you this. I've had enough therapy in my life, listener, to know that what Michelle Obama is saying there is the goal, is the end goal of therapy, acceptance.

34:19Angie Sullivan:Not being enmeshed with your children, letting them go if you love somebody set them free and then her accepting i did my job i raised good human beings and in a very difficult circumstances you know those girls were raised you know in the in the global stage and um i i love that michelle obama did this and i just think maga needs to pick a lane are you mad about the what you call deadbeat kids that can't afford in trump's economy me to go get an apartment on their own, living with their parents? Are you mad that Michelle Obama raised two kids and they are completely emancipated and she celebrates and gives herself atta girl, way to go.

34:57Angie Sullivan:I don't want to go back. I did it. Been there, done that. New phase of my life. Well, and here's the deal. I mean, Megyn Kelly, why do you care? Let's say that Megyn Kelly wants to mother-hiver her kids and be all over them and do all that. I don't care what she does with her. Why does everybody have to be in everybody's business? Now, I agree with everything you said, but fundamentally at the end of the day, if my next door neighbor wants to have their kid live with them until they're 30 and spoon feed them and all that, it's really, I don't give a fuck. I don't care. I know, but I mean, in her defense, and I hate to defend Megyn Kelly, Michelle Obama's a public figure.

35:37Angie Sullivan:I know, but it's just, we meddle in shit that's not our business because we have the same job as Megyn Kelly. I'm talking about, you know, I mean, just listen you're right you're right that's all of this is fair game i i just i agree with you if we weren't podcasters and meghan kelly weren't podcasters and michelle obama wasn't a former first lady mind your own fucking business but because of who meghan kelly is and because of who michelle obama is let's just be real here if um donald trump all of a sudden said i wish my kids were back at home and melania and i could raise them again we would jump on that and criticize it yeah big time so i don't want to be so precious that we wouldn't do the same same thing if the role is reversed because we absolutely fucking would guilty 100 guilty as charged you're here's the thing if i ever you know how just i'm glad you brought that up has anybody ever heard donald trump gush about how much he loves his kids and how being a dad is so important he doesn't even give a fuck i've never seen that clip i've seen a lot of because of this job i've had to watch a lot of footage of donald trump i've never seen that clip the number one clips i've seen is sleeping him sleeping taxpayer funded naps and then i've seen a lot of clips where he talks about insane asylums that then with his you know uh uh flight of ideas it goes to hannibal lecter and then he starts talking about windmills and then he starts talking about magnets on cars and then magnets on boats i've heard a lot of that I've heard a lot of him bragging about himself and his accomplishments.

37:15Angie Sullivan:I don't think I've heard much about the kids. Now, actually, I take that back. I have heard a lot of clips of him sexually abusing, sexually harassing his daughter, Ivanka, and talking about how much he would like to have sex with his daughter if they weren't father-daughter, which is interesting considering all of the evangelical pro-family, pro-children party, or all four of that. But then I realized, oh, I get it. They're fine with pedophilia because the guy they voted for talks like this about his very own daughter. Right. Yeah. It happens. Not saying exclusively in big mega churches, but it happens in a lot of them.

37:58Angie Sullivan:Okay. New story. A 76-year-old Florida woman was surprised when she received a package in the mail from the DMV. Let's play the clip. Nancy DeLostrita went to collect her mail. She got quite the surprise, a new license plate with her vehicle registration renewal. And I looked at it and I said, I don't think so. The plate reads SQZ A55, but from a distance, those five fives can be read as S's. Well, you get the picture. Squeeze blank. I don't think a woman that lives in a senior community that's going to be 77 years old next month will be driving around with what this plate has to say. The plates become the talk around her retirement community, especially the men.

38:49We were with her when she showed it to one of her 89-year-old neighbors.

38:54Angie Sullivan:And this is what I received from the DMV for my new license plate. That's good for 10 years. Good. Good? I'm with him. I like it. Squeeze ass. I like it. I like the plate. I really do. I like it for Nancy. I'd go door to door and show everyone in my retirement community. They must have thought I was a hot piece of ass because they told me to squeeze ass. Okay, I'm so glad this came up. I have to tell you this story. This is me in the future. So I go to my vape store. As you can tell, I can barely breathe. So I have to go to the vape store. This woman, she walks in with her little cane. She's older.

39:36She has her senior living like wherever she lives and her name on it. And she goes in and she gets like$230 worth of vapes. And she waddles out there. She gets in her car with all her vapes with her little name tag to head back to her retirement living center. And I just thought, that is my future. I'm going to be sitting here with my name tag for my retirement community, going in and buying my vapes. Like, this is me. This is fast forward. This is my life. And you'd think I would have taken a look at it, but I didn't. I just thought, you go, girl.

40:10Angie Sullivan:Yeah. I mean, she probably was a smoker. and this is a better thing for her. But I love the name bash. But after conversations with friends and family, Nancy has decided to keep the plate. Let's play the clip. I'm kind of resigning to it. And I figured maybe it was just destined to be on my car. So for now, Nancy's keeping the tag, although she is planning to let the state know about it. She'll see the reaction when she goes public with her new plate. I can handle it if I get a few honks here and there. Actually, being over 70, I might like a few honks. I like the evolution of Nancy. I like how at first she was like, I'm a 77-year-old woman.

40:55Angie Sullivan:I don't want people thinking I'm a little slut, a little bimbo. Then once her ass squeezed, and then she goes and talks to the, he's kind of attractive for 89, the neighbor. she goes and talks to the neighbor i thought he looked pretty good and he's like good and then nancy was like and then nancy has a full circle moment where she's like you know what maybe i do want to get honked at maybe i do want people squeezing my ass i like the evolution of this story of nancy i do too i'm glad that she's keeping the license tag i i like it i think she'll be the hit of the retirement community yeah i do too i thought that came across my feed And I thought, you know, I really like this story.

41:36Angie Sullivan:All right. Well, that's all we have for today's episode. Please pre-order my book. It's called Not Today Fascist. It's linked right below in the show notes. Subscribe to our channel. Subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. Follow everybody on social media. Be a good listener. Do all the stuff you're supposed to do. And we will see you all later.

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