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25:17Right. But he's he is an evil version. Totally. Of. Well, I mean, an even more evil version of Tucker. He's a younger, more evil Tucker. And I think he actually speaks to the base the way Trump spoke to the base, but he does it unadulterated because he doesn't have to pretend to be political. And so I think they're trying to fight him because I think a lot of them understand that he might actually be the person running for that crown. And the Heritage Foundation is fine with that. The Heritage Foundation has been playing this long game long before Trump came in and they gave it its blessing when Tucker sat down with Nick.

25:53But did you see this video of Nick Fuentes? You know, sometimes if you're on your algorithm, you'll have like a Candace show up because she says something anti-Israel or anti-Netanyahu. And then Tucker will show up or Nick will show up because even assholes have moments of clarity. Right. So I saw this in my algorithm, this video of Nick Fuentes, you guys. And he says, it's crazy with anti-Semitism. like I can say a bunch of racist stuff about Muslims. I can say a bunch of racist stuff about black people. I can say a bunch of racist stuff about immigrants. Nobody in MAGA gets mad at me. But if I say something about Israel, he's lecturing them on the most racist neo-Nazi on the planet about how they do not connect universal human rights.

26:42They're getting lectured by Nick Fuentes on how crazy indoctrinated they are about this Israel thing and what blinders, moral blinders they have on about it. But I can totally see Nick Fuentes too. And here's the thing. Pumps and I talk about this a lot. You know, there's kind of degrees of Republicans. There are the cult, the people that, you know, triple Trump, they got the Trump flags, Trump nuts on the truck, the whole nine. And then you've got country club Republicans, Which we grew up around And especially in a red state You know, white folks Upper middle class Exactly And they're the most insidious Because the country club Republicans that we know They're cultured enough and educated enough That if they were to come spend a weekend in New York And somebody said, do you like Trump?

27:30They'd be like, oh God, no But they delightfully Very quietly And most insidiously Went and voted for him because their racism is just right under the surface. But if they want to hang out with a black friend or a gay friend, they can do it. And they're the most dangerous. So it's going to be interesting to see what happens with that part of the electorate. You know, the cold, I think, they're so malleable. But that's going to be an interesting thing. And, you know, if you think about it, just having done this Maker Evers book recently, you know, when you're in Mississippi and you're sort of studying the way it worked, there was always the Klan, which was the lowbrow racists who basically were allowed to do the purge, the violent underclass of whites.

28:19These were lower working class whites who were running the store that the black person shopped in, the people that owned the store that Emmett Till went in, and then they ended up killing him. Those people had a shop, but they sold to black people. So they They were considered lower class. But what they got in exchange for being, you know, on the side of the high class racists at the top, they got to do the purge. They could kill any black person they wanted with impunity. They could murder, rape, run wild through the black community, and nothing would ever happen to them. They could kill at will.

28:53That was the people who were in the Klan. Some of them were cops. They were sheriffs. They were murderous. And then there were the White Citizens Council. They had the exact same ideology. They had the same beliefs, but they had on a suit and tie and they owned the shops where white people shopped. They owned the banks. They owned the insurance companies. And they had they wanted the same outcomes, which is a massive underclass that had to work for low wages. Because at the end of the day, everything, even racism, is all about the Benjamins. Slavery, Jim Crow. It was all about having a massive underclass of low wage labor that could never rise, could never ask for rights, could never be unionized and had no choice but to work for you for nothing.

29:32That structure still exists. That is the same structure. That is crazy because I've just never heard it put to me in such historical, factual ways. But she and I talk about it all the time, the layers of racism. And then you get to what I call country club Republicans that are polite, cultured racists. And they know when they can flip it on and when they can flip it off. And that's exactly what you describe. And it's insane that those structures are still so. And they still want the same thing. Right. Right. I mean, what the elite in this country have always wanted was what slavery gave them in the first place, right, which is perfect capitalism, low, low cost of labor, in that case, zero cost of labor, and high unlimited profits without taxation.

30:18And that is it. There isn't anything more complicated to conservatism. They want low cost labor and they want unlimited profit without taxation. How you get there is the question. And the easiest way that I think the right has figured how you get there is that you keep the big class of people who could really fight you because they have the numbers. And I mean white people. You keep them on your side while giving them nothing economically. You offer them nothing. But what you offer them is whiteness. You say you get to be white, which means you're better than the blacks. You get nothing else. You get no money.

30:51We'll take your farms. Tariffs will destroy your lives. Everything gets destroyed. But you stay with us because we're white. You're white and we're white. And that's what we have in common. But in fact, you had people in the past like Fred Hampton that were trying and King at the end were saying to white working class, white poor folks saying, hey, you know what we have in common? We're broke. You're broke. The Latinos are broke. The Asians in Chinatown are broke. What if we all got together? That's the most dangerous kind of politics. It's what Mom Donnie is doing. If you can get to people and say, put aside the white thing for just a hot second and think about what you have.

31:27You had a 400-year head start on these blacks and you're still poor. Yeah. Make that make sense to yourself. Yeah. And maybe think about a different kind of politics where you really do vote your pocketbook, not your color. Right. If that ever happened, no Republican would win ever again. And they know that. So they keep the racism going. They keep the hate going. It's very useful. And so the country club types love racism. Oh, yeah. They just don't want to be tarred with it. Yeah. Yeah. It's light. That is just all of that is so true. And when you think about how brilliant and diabolical Republican long term game has been in attacking blue cities where multiculturalism really exists, you can't name a big red city.

32:10There isn't one. So when we all live around each other and we have to cooperate, your neighbor could be black or speak a different skin color or maybe came here from a different country. It erodes that whiteness that you feel in suburbia and cookie cutter like where you live. I mean it's just very – it's a very white homogenized place. And when you get into big cities, you can see how effective they've been, which pisses me off about Democrats. Let's be on Democrats a second. As women who've lived in red states, our state, 50th in education, 50th place for women to live, 49th in education. I can go on and on.

32:49It's a bottom five state. And they've had a MAGA super majority for 25 plus years. The last time we had a Democratic governor, I think, was 2011. Education was ranked 14. 14. Since they went all MAGA, all in, all Republican, it's dropped to 50th. And I think Democrats have got to do a better job attacking the fact-based evidence about how these people have been lied to and politicians have done the grossest, most disgusting thing imaginable, use their faith to get them to become worse people and drive holes in their communities. And Democrats have not messaged that well. Not only not messaged well, but when's the last time a Democrat was in Oklahoma or Mississippi or Tennessee?

33:37or when did the last time they spent real money to try to win races in these states? They're absent without official leave in the whole South. And Democrats, first of all, they have to get better at just showing up. When's the last time Democrats went into the hills of West Virginia and said to those poor people, most of whom don't vote, by the way, poor white people don't vote, poor people don't vote, poor white people, poor Bram, they don't vote. They generally just sort of let it happen, right? But if you went into the way, I mean, Bishop William Barber goes into the hills of West Virginia.

34:09Those people want the same thing that we sitting around this table want. They want a decent life. They want to be able to feed their kids. They want to be able to have a decent home that they can't lose. They don't want to go broke because they need health care. They would like to go to a doctor every so often, go to a dentist. They would like normal things. They don't have them. And so, but they're left out there, not just by Republicans who didn't give a shit about them. As long as they stay racist and stay angry at gay people and the trans people they'll never meet, they're happy with them.

34:34Democrats just don't go there at all. They just don't go there at all. When they do, look at Andy Brashear. Right. Look at what happens. And I think knowing the psychology of the electorate in a very religious state, and Pumps and I can speak to this, and Andy Brashear, I'm an atheist. So when politicians start talking about religion, I'm always just like, shut up. It doesn't matter what the religion is. Jewish, Muslim, Christian. I don't want to hear it. I'm a secularist, but we live in a very religious first world country. And so when you hear Andy Brashear, and we had him on the podcast, and he talks about his faith and that it calls on him to not judge people and to show compassion and meet the marginalized and help strengthen them.

35:17And he refused to throw trans people under the bus, which would be such an easy, trashy thing to do that you hear Democrats flirting with, which I think is a horrible idea. But when he went and spoke to them, they voted for him. And this is fascinating. So in Oklahoma, if you poll everybody, they're all Republican, right? Oklahoma City's 50-50, but the state at large. But when you poll the people of Oklahoma individually, are you for gun control? Overwhelming numbers say yes. Are you for a woman's right to choose? majority say yes. We took the vote to the people of Oklahoma. Red, Ryan Walters, dump truck, extraordinaire Oklahoma.

36:01Do you want to legalize marijuana? This was a few years ago. They legalized it. So it's crazy to me that the Democratic Party can say, okay, line item issues, these people are progressive, but they always vote big R. And it's just such a miss. It is such a miss that the Democrats don't have a 50-state strategy. I agree. And it's a brand problem. It's the same way in the South, Republican was a dirty word for a long, long time. And just saying you're a Republican was enough for people to just keep voting Democratic when the parties were flipped. And so the brand is the issue in a lot of these red states, because they view the brand as associated, to your point, with these cultural things, with gay marriage and with trans.

36:47And so they just, that's it. They don't - Pronouns. Pronouns. Right. Black people. Right. Brown immigrant. They're just like, that's that brand. And so people won't even hear you if you're saying you're a Democrat, which is why a lot of the successful candidates go in and they just talk about their values or they're not a Democrat. They're an independent, they're working families, et cetera. But I think the Democrats, the first thing they have to do is they have to actually get in these states and start to organize. Like Louisiana, I think, is a perfect example. It has one of the largest black populations in the entire country.

37:18And yet you can elect a Democrat statewide in Michigan that's only 12 percent black. Louisiana is like almost like 25 percent black. And you can't elect a Democrat there. It's because it's a but you can. Right. They had a Democratic governor for the hot moment. And they actually got Obamacare for that moment that they had a Democratic governor, John Bel Edwards, for that four years, that precious four years, they came up off of they used to be almost down where Oklahoma is. in education. They lifted. They are the carceral state of the country. They are the biggest incarcerator of humans in America, Louisiana.

37:53They actually reduced their level of incarceration and child incarceration. They started to come back. But then along came this new governor, who's basically Satan, and ran on a harsh pro-MAGA and took all of those wonderful benefits away. If you think about Andy Beshear, what did Andy Beshear have when he came calling? Yes, he talked about his faith, but he also had that daddy. Right. Because what the daddy did is he did what John Bel Edwards did in Louisiana. He brought them health care. And he was smart enough to say the brand Obamacare hurts me. I'm going to call that thing Connect. It's called Connect.

38:27You want health care? You want Connect? They're like, yeah. Then this is the dad. The dad gets Connect in under another name, not Affordable Care Act, not Obamacare, Connect. Then he terms out. He does his two terms. The next guy who runs runs saying, I vow to end Obamacare. Ew. All right. He gets in. Then he tries to take Kinect. Right. And people went, hold on, hold on, hold on now. I don't like Obamacare. Don't touch my Kinect. Right. And people didn't make it. At the time, I was working at the griot.com. I was managing editor of the griot. So we sent PBJ, Perry Bacon Jr., who's from, he's actually from Kentucky.

39:08He goes down there and he's, you know, he goes back to his hometown and he's asking people, man on the street, do you like Obamacare? And they go, hate it. Do you like Connect? Love it. Do you know that they're the same thing? No, it's not. They were just denied, right? And then so other journalists started doing the same thing. People just didn't know they were the same thing. But when they figured out those were the same thing, they ran that man out so quick and put the sun in. They said, I want that Bashir boy in there. Because the dad, they can remember in their lifetime that the Bashirs had their back.

39:37And that government served them. And the same thing happened in the BBB. I can't even call it what it is. Right. Medicare, Medicaid in Oklahoma is called SoonerCare. Yes. And so in each state, it's called something different. And typically, when you think about FDR, the reason why they had to term limit him is because when government starts working for people, they like it. When you allow laborers to have rights and unions and insurance and pensions, people like it. Like I'm sure you have friends from Europe, these friends that live in Paris, and they're so proud that women get one year off entirely to stay at home with their child.

40:21They're very proud of the retirement age. And recently they tried to raise it. And, you know, the French are always on stride. They were in the streets. Right. But they take pride in these and they don't – it's never branded as a mooch or, you know, a parasite. And I just think we need to do such a lot of messaging the Democrats while, you know, messing with the politicians we have. Chuckles out. Hakeem, you're on watch. Yeah. Perbation. Yes. But I agree that I can get behind him if he can move some and acknowledge where the base is heading. But at the same time the Democrats have got to start messaging to people in all of these flyover states And all of Magalind and some of this Magalind are in blue states You have been lied to for decades long before Trump You have been lied to look how rich Elon Musk is Look at how rich Jeff Bezos is And they're so entitled they think that you should pay a higher percentage of your income than they should And it's diabolical to call something big and beautiful when its only purpose is to make a temporary tax cut for the super rich permanent and make the temporary subsidies for regular people temporary and to keep them temporary forever.

41:39That's what that bill did. And in order to try to people, people, Democrats are bad at storytelling. Yes. What they should have been saying is what this bill was doing is in order to gut$4.1 trillion, all our grandchildren's grandchildren are going to have to be paying this debt, right? $4.1 trillion for mostly rich people. To pay for that, they started with Doge. They said, we got to find some money. We can't make this be$4 trillion. Let's try to find$2 trillion by cutting out waste, fraud, and abuse. Doge goes in there, slashes away at the government. They get rid of USAID. They fire all these people.

42:14All these air traffic controllers are leaving. They're making everyone take buyouts. They end up with like$100 billion in savings. All of that destruction got them like$100 billion. They didn't get close to even$1 trillion. So they're like, well, we got to find some money. You can't touch Social Security. That's$5 trillion. You can't touch that. The old people be in the streets. Where can we get$1 trillion? Oh, Medicaid. Always go to the poor. They went and they ate almost$1 trillion,$800 billion. They scooped out of Medicaid to pay for that tax cut. So people need to understand when these Democrats were supposedly fighting for a hot minute, they were fighting for them to not take what little was left.

42:53They took almost a trillion out of your Medicaid. Hospitals were already going to close because of that bill that they then diabolically called big and beautiful. To say it was beautiful to give the rich the biggest tax cut in history. And it was beautiful to take$800 billion from the poor who needed health care to destroy rural hospitals. They're not going to store hospitals in New York. New York people are going to still go to the hospital. But in Oklahoma, Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee, Arkansas, y 'all are screwed. Y 'all are good and fucked because of that bill. And now if you had Obamacare, you double fucked.

43:27Because now not only will you not be able to get health care, everyone in the ER, y 'all worried about undocumented people? You know where they're going to get their health care? In the ERA. And you know who pays for that? You. Exactly. So you're triple fucked. Yeah. Because of that bill. And they were fighting to hang on to that last little point three trillion, three hundred billion dollars would have made that thing extended. That's nothing compared to the tax cut. But Democrats didn't say that. They just said things that didn't mean anything. Yeah. And then they gave in anyway. And now people are going to basically lose their health care because it's going to be too expensive.

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47:11I would hit it. Had it. Had it. I hit it every day, sometimes twice a day. Had it or hit it, the term following guest. Had it. It's like my pet peeve. Ever since Starbucks, which is on the BDS list, I don't go there anyway. But when I used to go to Starbucks, baby, when they say following guest, it drives me crazy. And I try to not be like a grammar Nazi anymore. I'm like, let me not try to correct people's grammar. But following guests doesn't mean anything. If you have a list of people, a list of five people, and it says, will the following guest, Pumps, please come forward. Because I knew that she was there.

47:46Will the following guest, Jennifer, please come forward. That's how you use following guests. If you just say following guests and you don't even know who the people are, it doesn't mean anything. Just say next. Just say next. I know it sounds rude to you, but that's the correct grammar. I hate following guests. It makes me cringe in my spirit. I get so angry that it's actually unnatural how angry I get when I hear following guys. Rage. Just say next. Had it. Okay. Had it or hit it, tech bros. Had it. Had it. They're surveilling us and they're weird. Have you ever heard Peter Thiel talk? Oh, my God.

48:20It's fucking nuts. What is happening? What's his side hustle about the rapture? The Antichrist crowd. The Antichrist. What the fuck is that? I think he's telling us he's the Antichrist. He looks like it. He's changed his whole look, everything. I mean, it's nuts. And people don't know who he is. I was with some girlfriends, and one of them was like, I don't know who that is. And we were all like, you have to get on your phone. Like, it's so serious. And then they come out, and they're like, oh, my God. He and Elon Musk, they don't all seem all there mentally, and yet they're in charge of us. They have all our data.

48:51Peter Thiel has your data. Think about it. Watch him, and then know that he and Elon, and then watch him. They have your data. That terrifies me at it. I just can't believe that we just kind of let Elon Musk walk in to the Oval Office with a black eye, tripping his balls off on ketamine while his kid rubbed a booger on the desk. And we just moved on. He rubbed a booger on the desk. He rubbed a booger while his daddy was higher than a kite. And everybody just moved on from it. And he told Tom, shut up. You're not my daddy. He's dark. That's the crap. That was. Okay. Can you imagine that kid in the store?

49:27I said I want Oreo cookies now. And he's like, it's like he's in charge of the day. What is happening? Yeah. No. It's nuts. Had it. All right. Had it or hit it. Ted Cruz, 2028.

49:41We were just laughing about that. Only if he changes his name to Rafael the Canadian. Go by Rafael. He doesn't get it. No. He does not understand how much people hate him. Everyone hates him. I think his kids hate him. Yeah. I don't think anybody likes him. His neighbors hate him. Does his wife? His neighbors hate him. Everybody hates him. The neighbors whistle blew. Pumps had her nose to the ground. When they went to Cancun, Pumps would call me. She goes, the neighbors are talking to the press about how much they hate him. Right. These are people they thought were friends, that they were going to vacation together.

50:17And they hate him so much, they didn't just leak it. They called a reporter at the New York Times. Oh, my God. They hate him. Even his beard hates him. You could tell. It's trying to jump off his face. It's like, get off. I don't want to be on you. Basty. Okay. Had it or hid it, Bubba Gate. I hid it, baby. I'm so there. Baby, I wish it was Bill Clinton because this is the tea I need. I need to know who Bubba is. I want to know, was Trump on his knees? I want to know, was Trump, did he? I mean, I want to know everything. Was he a spitter? I need to know. Because he did that thing with the microphone where he was filleting it.

50:55He acted like he knew what he was doing. He's talking about Arnold Palmer's cock. How did he know what it looked like? I need to know who Trump is with when he's with them. Is Melania jealous or is she glad to not have to deal with it? Is she saying, go ahead, Bubba, you take it because I don't want it. I hit it every day. I need it. I need to know who Bubba is. And if it's not Bill Clinton, if it's not Bill Clinton's brother. You know, Ghislaine Maxwell's horse name was Bubba.

51:29This is all I want to talk about. I don't even want to talk about nothing else. Just this. It's crazy. 24-7. I want it so bad. So bad. My daughter who comes this weekend, she calls me and she goes, Mom, did Donald Trump give Bill Clinton a blowjob? It's all over TikTok. And I was like, that kind of is the running theory. She's like, and these Christians are all for it? Like, apparently. How did he hold it with his little hands? That's why he's probably so good at his mouth. His hands are so little. Especially if it was Ghislaine's horse. Those hands are so small. The horses are quite large. Oh, Donald, you scam.

52:09Oh, my gosh. I love it. And, you know, here's the thing. In any other world, you know, Mark Epstein came out and said, hey, it wasn't Bill Clinton. But he didn't deny that any of it happened. He also didn't deny the part that Putin had evidence of it. So all these national security Republicans for years, the nauseating Scott Jennings with the national security lapel, and I believe in national security. Now it makes perfect sense, Helsinki, the bend over in Alaska, because Putin, we all thought it was the PP tape. It's Kanks blowing Bubba. And then I also wonder, what does Bibi have on him? Same thing, yeah.

52:51Right? Because if you think about it, Ghislaine Maxwell's father was Mossad-related. And then you have Jeffrey Epstein, who a lot of those emails, he's very also pro-Israel. He's also buddies with Ehud Barak. So it's like there's all this Israel connection. There's connection to Kensington, to the crown. And then there's connections to Russia. There could be multiple national security challenges with Trump that multiple countries have dirt on him, dirt on the president of the United States. Which is why we need the details. That's right. Spitter swallow. We need a spitter swallow. Do it better.

53:23Or a human. Or a human. Ew. All right, Joy, last one. Had it or hid it, the United States of America. I mean we're kind of like we're like a ghetto vibe in a trench coat or what are we like are we like oh no we're like a we're like a ghetto in a Gucci belt or something like that yeah is that what it is it's something like that America in some ways is kind of it's kind of like my daughter just came back from Japan and they have like brand new amazing infrastructure and super fast trains And it's like, we're like a broken down, like uncle. We're an old unk that needs like a rebrand. We're an aging porn star.

54:07We're an aging porn star. And it's sad for me because I think my parents were immigrants. So they came here with this real hope about America. And they had this kind of rose colored glasses view of what America was supposed to be. My mother very soon found out about the racism. And she was like, oh, this is not what I expected. I didn't know that was going to happen. But I think there was this, America has the most possibility of any country. It's not built for a caste system, which is a good thing. It's built to actually create an ecumenical multiracial democracy. But it isn't functioning. So I'm still America.

54:43I'm still going to say hit it. But it needs a reboot. It needs an HGTV makeover. It needs a bikini trim, this porn star. It needs a whole bikini trim. It needs a Brazilian. It needs a Brazilian. Yeah, no. Because it's hairy and nasty, and it needs to get fixed. Joy Reid, this was exceeded all expectations. It was totally, we decided we had to do it in person. It exceeded all expectations. We love you. You're welcome on I've Had It Anytime. Let's keep fighting the good fight. Let's do it. Okay, pumps, tell them. We will see you next Tuesday and Thursday.

55:24I'll tell you what I've had it with.

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56:10Caw-caw. That's the patriotism that this country needs right there.