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27:54And then he's, and I kept kind of probing him. And then he, when he threw Obama under the bus, which I agree with you, Obama was known as a drone president and there's an argument to be made there, but that's a separate conversation than the one at hand. And, you know, Obama is universally beloved. I knew that he was underwater. I, I have a lot of thoughts about all of this. So I have always been the Democrat in this red state. And when you live in a red state, you are more domestically focused, especially if you live in a red state, because they are coming after civil liberties. They are Christian nationalists.

28:32Nothing that is happening right now on the national stage surprises me much because that's the way it was in a deeply religious red state my whole life. Local politics were just like this. And so, of course, I knew about Israel and of course I knew about Palestine. But when you live in Oklahoma and the oceans are a long way away. I'm not trying to sound glib, but you don't care that much because you have politicians that are trying to take away your right to an abortion, gay marriage, all sorts of things. And so, you know, I had kids, I was an interior designer, and then obviously get more and more and more into politics.

29:08And that when you see what's happening in Gaza, it's, it's a moment where you think about when you learned about World War II, who is speaking out? Who is going to stand up for these people? And so it was something that I really started digging into. And then I've been so shocked at the Democratic establishment's take on so much of this. And then when you dig into it more and more, they're all beholden to AIPAC. And then when you realize that AIPAC gave Trump just as much money to get elected as Elon Musk did. And then you start opening your eyes up more and more. And so when we first started talking about politics, obviously a bunch of white women, it was Heartbreak Hotel.

29:54They were really mad at Pumson me because we weren't MAGA. And then we start talking about politics more and more. And then a couple of weeks ago, three weeks ago, we were the moderator for Kamala Harris's book tour in LA. Super cool thing to do, right? And then the leftists were really mad at us. And I want to be clear about this to the Democrats. As much as Cory Booker and Hakeem Jeffries and Chuckles Schumer piss me off, and what weak, duplicitous, bought and paid for politicians they are, I would claw through 10 feet of concrete and get my fingers to the bone to go vote for one of them over a MAGA Republican.

30:38Beautifully said. Because I have lived in a state where these MAGA Republicans have had super majorities. And in Oklahoma, it's ranked 50th in education. You got some nut who just resigned, who's the biggest closet DL demon queen I've ever seen in my life, obsessed with trans people, obsessed with porn, trying to annihilate teachers unions. They do away with workers' rights. So as much as disgusted as I get with corporate Democrats, I know what's on the line to vote for them. They're not my first choice. So I feel like as we navigate this and I'm able to have Cory Booker on the pod and I'm able to talk to him about the things that I think are important and vulnerabilities of the party right now and the party's messaging, it's also important for people to understand he's not my first choice, but I would walk barefoot uphill for 10 miles to vote for him over a fucking Republican.

31:34Totally, totally. And like, first of all, I loved every minute of that rant. Like, I feel the same way. It's like, sometimes political debates get so flattened. It's like, you know what? We're all adults here. Like, you don't get everything you want out of life. It could be infuriating and frustrating. And sometimes our choices are bad and worse. But worse is worse. You know what I mean? And better is better. So like, let's just like put on our critical thinking hats. And like, the other part of the book Booker, the sort of domestic political conversation with Booker, like I get what he was saying there when he was like, my voters care about the economy.

32:09My voters care about me getting funding to get these lead pipes replaced because lead is devastating for kids. And I got that from the Biden administration. And I think that's all totally fair and that's important. And that is his job. But like the disconnect there was like, you're an activist. You know what I mean? Your job is not to like you're not serving constituency. Your job is to push him and other Democrats from the outside to be more progressive because the squeaky wheel gets the grease. You know what I mean? If you're hearing from only the pro-Israel side, you're going to lean that direction.

32:39If you're not hearing from people who are concerned about the war in Gaza, you're going to think there isn't a constituency. And also, I feel like what a lot of Democrats are saying when they say they want their leaders to fight harder is we want more harm reduction. I get that Cory Booker is trying to pass things that are good, but Trump is devastating communities right now and it's like how can you throw your body in front of that to block it like i think that's what people are calling for yeah i completely agree and i think my my heartache with cory booker was was real like i as a person a liberal person that's not religious at all that lived in this bible thumper red state i mean republicans out the wazoo politicians like cory Booker or Hakeem Jeffries or Nancy Pelosi were like, for me, it was like, okay, good.

33:28Somebody gets it. Somebody's fighting for me. And then when I see like, this is a 911 all hands on deck and we're voting to confirm, what's his name? Kushner. You know, my thing is like, you have to be a credible messenger, Senator Booker. You have to have credibility. And so when you say you care, oh my God, look at what ICE is doing. Look at what ICE is doing with these the little kids and sending them into court and they don't have a lawyer. And these five-year-olds are standing in front of a judge. That is abhorrent. And Corey did a whole Instagram reel on that. And then you find out that he, you know, is funding and consistently voting.

34:09The only bipartisanship that I see right now is the support for Israel, which Israel, the government at least, favors MAGA, which is interesting to me because all the anti-Semites I know are Republicans, evangelicals are the most anti-Semitic people I've ever met. But the credible messenger part of the Democratic Party is super important to me right now. Like if you can't cherry pick which kids you care about, which is why I, you know, I care about Israeli safety. I do, but I also care about Palestinian safety. I care about both. And I feel like the Israeli propaganda tries to force you to pick one, to value one over the other.

34:51But that's kind of the government they're trying to set up is an ethno state that favors Jewish people over others. So they're projecting that onto us. And I think there's a massive vacuum here, Tommy, a massive vacuum and grifters that are truly anti-Semitic are going to fill this void. And the problem with all of these fuckers that are playing patty cake with these fascists is at some point the knives are going to be turned at you. The Latinos for Trump just found this out. You know, I don't know how they didn't see the mass deportation now signs, but now they're getting deported and they're starting to find out.

35:28But I want to make one more point about Kamala. For a lot of people in this country, if you're gay, if you're trans, if you're a woman that lives in a red state and you were raped and you had to travel. And this is very real. This happens all the time. You had to have somebody sponsor you and go get money and try to sneak out of the state to go get an abortion because you didn't want to have your rapist baby. A Kamala Harris candidacy for that person who doesn't think in terms of the global stage meant a lifeline. Living in a red state for so long, I understand that. I understand how important that is for so many marginalized people.

36:06And on the left, I feel like you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't. Like if you don't go far enough left, then you're ridiculed. And I feel like as we build our tent and structure it, the people that piss me off the most in this tent are the Cory Bookers and the Hakeem Jeffries, because I can't understand. And this is a question I wanted to get to with him, but he had to go vote, even though the government shut down, why he hasn't endorsed more on Mamdani. Yeah, that's crazy. I find the caution around Mamdani's race is exhausting and infuriating. He is a really exciting, cool, young politician with some really progressive positions who seems like fundamentally a very decent and good guy.

36:56And the idea that the leadership of the party cannot back him for some strange, mysterious region is just it's pathetic to me. It's absurd to me. And it's also like, hey, guys, do you think this is really going to save you? Do you think the Republicans aren't going to try to suggest that you believe everything that Mamdani believes that the next election? Of course they are. So just sack up and like support the guy that is exciting people, especially young voters, and actually able to communicate with them, like in a way, in a way that like no one has done since what AOC kind of came onto the scene.

37:27Like this is a sort of like a, a step change in terms of just the ability to, to communicate a message and values and actually seem credible to people. Like that, that's, that credibility gap is not, it's not being, um, problems not being solved by a lot of Democrats. And I don't know why he doesn't just say something to the extent that Zoran's a little bit further left than I am, but I believe in democracy and I believe in the democratic primary. I think it's very Trumpian that Cory Booker and Chuckles don't endorse him. I think it's giving Trump, it's giving Trump vibes. And we are supposed to be the party that we believe in free and fair elections and this person's the winner and they won't endorse.

38:11And one thing I wish I would have said to Cory on the interview is he said, a lot of people don't know who Chuck Schumer is. And that's true. A lot of people have no idea. But at this point, in this moment, everybody should know who the Senate minority leader is, because that's how loud and that's how much hell they should be raising. Everybody in America should know exactly who is the face that's fighting for them, that is the closest proximity in the House and Senate to get things done. And the fact that Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer are not household names right now tell you what a shitty job they're doing.

38:48Because I think the Democrats, like, I heard, what's that old guy's name from Louisiana that did the Clinton campaign manager? Oh, Jesus Christ. James Carvel. Him. Okay. James Carvel. He said he has a political strategy and he may have evolved since then. So I don't want to pigeonhole him into this. I heard this a couple of months ago, that like when your other side is really messing up, just sit back and let them mess up. And if this was a Mitt Romney presidency or John McKenzie, yeah, let him step in it. But this is different. And I think the fact, I wish I would have pushed back on him on that, that they're not being that loud is evidence to what a failed resistance they're putting up.

39:27Yeah. And look, I mean, I am like you, I think of my best comebacks in the car on the way back from the argument. So, but like, I honestly, I had the same thought as I was listening. It's like, yeah, well, like our leadership, we're not great messengers. We're not great communicators. And in this moment, I think there is a huge void in terms of everyone kind of looking around the party for leadership. And then like some Democrats are surprising. Like Chris Van Hollen, senator from Maryland, was not someone I was like super familiar with. But he went down to El Salvador to try to get contact with Kilmar Abrego Garcia during the CECOT stuff.

40:00He's been really out front and a leader on all things Gaza. that I'm like seeing someone like that step up and inspire you like that's cool and important. But I'd like to see I'd like to see a lot more of it from leadership. And sometimes I worry with Schumer that like a lot of this is is age and just kind of like coming from a different era. And this this lingering belief that like, oh, Republicans will come to their senses after Trump. And, you know, we can go back to the old ways where we like kind of negotiated things in good faith and got drinks later. Like, I just I kind of think that version of politics is dead or at is dead for a long time and we got to like snap it up you know like figure out the next thing listener the hot book of the summer oops i have it the wrong way take two listener the hot book of the summer is now the cool book of the fall it is in trump's america i can tell you with absolute certainty the best book that has ever been written and believe me a lot of people are talking about it.

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43:05He's a Democrat, but he grew up around all of the in that part of Oklahoma where Trump wins like 80-20. Right. So when he heard Cory Booker dodge, when I said, do you think Benjamin Netanyahu is a war criminal? Yes or no? Yes. And he couldn't answer it. My husband said, you think Trump would blink? You think he'd think two fucking seconds before he'd answer that? And that's the difference. They're playing two different games here. The Democrats want to govern incrementally and word salad and all of this rhetoric. And I just don't think it resonates anymore. And I remember when Trump first came on the scene, when he went down the escalator, nobody thought he was ever going to win the primary, Tommy.

43:47But when he was at the debates and he was browbeating Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz, I loved it. I loved it. I loved it. I would cancel plans to go home and watch those debates. I remember like there was a party. My friend was like, I'm sick. I got to go home because I wanted to watch that. Because he would say, be like, hey, Rand Paul, your hair sucks and you're ugly. And you're like, oh, my God, we can do this now. This is great. But yeah, no, Trump, look, I'm not a big Trump fan. He is an incredibly successful and adept politician, in part because he says what he thinks in an unvarnished, blunt way.

44:22And I think, like on your Gaza point, like, I'm with you, right? I think most voters are not primarily focused on foreign policy. However, like they've consumed information about the war in Gaza for the last year, they've heard it called the genocide, they've heard about the ICC, they've heard about kids getting starved and bombed. And when you can't just speak candidly about that, or when you seem like you're dodging or ducking, they start to wonder, hmm, like, what else is this person not being straight with me on? Or like, why can't they tell me the truth here? Like, what is it about them that is just, it gives you a bad feeling?

44:55It just makes you think that the fix is in on them. Because if you can't say Benjamin Netanyahu who's a war criminal, which I think is just an objection. I mean, it's just true. It's just a fact. And that he, you know, and that he knows on some point because the photo shoot where he's kind of like hiding.

45:18And it's the more you open up your eyes to it. For me, as somebody who was like an MSNBC Democrat, I was a good Democrat. I watched MSNBC every night and I hosted fundraisers for local politicians. They always lost in Oklahoma, but I did my part, right? I had Obama signs in my yard, Hillary signs in my yard. But the more I opened up my eyes to all of it, the person whose message has aged the best is Bernie's. His message has, I remember I put a Hillary sign in the yard and my son was like, mom, you're such a centrist. I can't believe you don't have a Bernie sign in your yard. I managed to raise liberals in Oklahoma.

45:53But my son was kind of right because those policies have left an incremental governing and the wages not raising and the wealth disparity has created this this vacuum. And when Trump comes in and he's saying lie in Ted and he's beaten up on people, it makes people feel like somebody is fighting for them. And he gives that state of mind. And I think it would I really impressed with Graham Plattner out of Maine. I think somebody like that would really resonate well in flyover states because he's just very plain spoken. He calls people out. Mom Donnie is so talented. It's a shame that he wasn't born here because he has the ability to stay classy and cutting all at the same time.

46:40I think he's just very impressive. um but who do you think the like if we if the election were the primaries were next month for president 2028 let's fast forward who would be your top three that you think would it would narrow down to i mean like i just want to start this by being honest that like i'm just not really impressed by anybody right now and like i'm not trying to duck your question like i'm happy to talk about names, but like, I want my look when I was, you know, in 2004, I worked on the John Edwards for president campaign, we lost to John Kerry. I was trying to figure out what the hell to do with my life.

47:21I was sleeping on a couch, broken jobless, like waiting to get a job. And I found Barack Obama, I read his book, I got obsessed with it. And I was like, I became obsessed with working for him. It was all I wanted to do. It inspired me, it excited me. And it's like, I'm not looking for that again, because I'm old now. And you know, don't have kids and can't do that shit. But like, I, I want someone to make me like pound the table. Yes, you're you're getting me fired up. And so there are people I think are really talented. Like I think Pete Buttigieg is really talented. You could throw that guy on Fox News, could be a 10 on one interview, like he will hold his own.

47:53He will do and say impressive things. I think Gavin Newsom is fighting harder than anyone. And I'll be honest, like, back in the day, I did not like Gavin Newsom. In like the 2008 era, he was on the other side of the Clinton Obama thing. I had some hard feelings about him I sort of thought some things in his record were shitty then I met him I interviewed him a couple times I spent time with him and I was like god damn it I really like this guy it's so annoying like he got me like that he's funny he's yeah he wants to win he's like no he's like one of he could be on the show and just he would just hang out with you guys and you would have a blast so I'll I'll pause there because I don't want to list a billion people but like I don't know I want someone to like make my heart flutter that you mentioned though i feel like this is what we need to start talking about it's what i talked about with corey so i believe pete kind of face planted on your all's podcast with a gaza question correct yeah yeah and then recently uh gavin was asked about apac and he who's always such a smooth operator you can tell like hamster just starts taking off on the wheel and he's like interesting you're asking yeah that was weird interesting that's weird i've never thought about it i feel like these people, if you want to run on a national ticket, you better have a good answer for that.

49:08And they think this is the difference. The MAGA base is stupid. They're not, they read, I'm sure I'll get ripped for that, but I don't care. They read information and watch information that is not fact-based. So they think they're really well-informed. On the left side, we are more informed. And so I feel like a lot of them are treating us like we're stupid. Like with Corey, I feel like I felt like the whole thing was an insult to our intelligence that he can't say, of course, he's a war criminal. And all of that filibustering that they do doesn't work so well. And I feel like whoever the next nominee is on a national ticket better have a really good fucking answer for that thing because the right machine is already seeing curtains on Trump.

49:56They already see it. He's frail. Biology is going to catch up with him any minute. And so they're seeing a post MAGA electorate and Marge is positioning herself. Tucker Carlson is positioning himself. I think he could run. And I think if the Democrats do not start talking about this in a smart way that addresses it, instead of playing dumb and possum, it's going to fuck them. I really do. Yeah. No, what I heard from Senator Booker was just like, it sounded so defensive and it's sort of starting at this place where it was sort of like, it was almost like suggesting you were unfairly singling out Israel out of some animus.

50:34And it's like, no man, like people are talking about this because there's been this horrific war that has filled our TV and social media feeds for two years. And I don't want to see any kid die. I I don't want my tax dollars to go to bombing kids in Gaza. And it's just like that's not singling. That's not that's not an anti-Semitic thing to say. That's not singling out a single country. That's like being self-aware that we've given, what, 174 billion dollars to Israel in military funding. And like we are viewed as a party in this conflict. And I think that honestly, some terrorist group a decade from now is going to blow up some bus full of tourists in Greece or someplace.

51:12and it's going to be because of the war in Gaza and U.S. support for that. And I don't want that to happen. So that's that piece of it for me. On the AIPAC front, I just think we should just be clear about kind of what AIPAC's goals are. It's an organization that essentially is demanding that everyone vote the kind of Netanyahu line. If you stray, you get attacked. I got called an anti-Semite by the head of the ADL for suggesting that Bibi Netanyahu dragged Trump into war with Iran, which is self-evidently true. But I think for Democrats, it's like, hey, AIPAC wants you to lose. They primarily intervene in Democratic Party primaries and take out progressive candidates.

51:54So let's just be honest about what this organization's values are. And if you want to be associated with that, okay. But don't tell me I'm wrong for raising it. I agree. I completely agree. And I think it's sometimes it's been a difficult conversation for a lot of us to have because I have I'm an atheist. I've always been an atheist, but I have a lot of Jewish friends. And in Oklahoma, all of the Democratic fundraisers that I would go to, the most progressive people there were Jewish people. We have very small Jewish community. I sent my kids to a Jewish preschool. And so I understand from having Jewish friends, the dark cloud that you must grow up with reading about World War Two and the Holocaust and how horrible that is.

52:37But I also have some Palestinian friends and I have to value both of their suffering and both of their dark clouds the same and not give preferential treatment to either. And I think the emotional blackmail that is being put on by Israeli propaganda style sites to emotionally blackmail us, that when we say that we see something that is morally wrong, that if we say that, then somehow we have to tiptoe because we're going to be called an anti-Semite, is just wrong. And I think this situation is craving a Democratic leader that can come up and speak factually and truthfully about this. Put the kibosh on all the APAC money.

53:21Like you said, they always want the Republicans to win. OK, Tommy, let's play our game. It's a world famous game. Had it or hit it. Gavin Newsom's played it. Your former boss, Barack Obama's played it. Now you will play it. Oh, my God. Welcome to had it or hit it. I would hit it. Had it. Had it. I hit it every day, sometimes twice a day. Okay. Had it or hit it, Miss Rachel? Hit it. I love Miss Rachel. She's on all the time in my house. Also, she has been speaking up for the humanity of Palestinian kids. These monsters attacked her for it. This group called Stop Antisemitism suggested she was funded by Hamas.

53:59I made this video defending her and calling these people insane, so now we're friends and we text. She's the nicest human being on the planet. Stop attacking Miss Rachel for caring about children. Sorry if I'm going on too long, but it's outrageous. No, I love that. So she followed me and followed the podcast on Instagram. You should have her on. I asked her, but I think she's busy. I mean, I will. I'm going to have her on. So I screenshot and circled it and sent it to my nephews. I have an older sister, so my nephews are like in their 30s. And they have little toddlers right now. And they were freaking out, freaking out that Miss Rachel had followed me.

54:32She's the queen. Had it or hit it, free speech hypocrites. Hit it. I'm tired of these people. I'm tired of these people. Oh, wait, I'm sorry. I've had it. I do not want to have sex with all the people trying to kick you out of the country if you were critical of Charlie Kirk. Yeah, no, I'm so sick of this hypocrisy. You know what I mean? Like, remember Elon Musk used to tell us he was a free speech absolutist? Where'd that go? You know, where'd that go for Jimmy Kimmel? Where'd that go for any student here who happens to have, like, written a completely vanilla, banal op-ed about how, like, the war in Gaza is bad?

55:04Like, I just, I'm so tired of this bullshit. You guys do not care about free speech. you care about, speech you like. You want that to be free. You know, these guys are such babies. Pumps and I call them titty babies. They just, the list of things that they're triggered by, Jimmy Kimmel, Bad Bunny, white liberal women, Mexicans, black people, Colin Kaepernick, and it grows, drag queens, gay people, pod save america guys can you imagine navigating a remote control if you were a mega republican can you imagine the minefield that that would be i mean these guys are such pussies it's unbelievable it goes back to your very original grievance that we're getting beat by these total fucking pussy dorks that are terrified of jimmy kimmel stephen colbert and bad bunny yes yes and And the president and the vice president are like number one.

56:02They log on to Twitter. They find something to be aggrieved about. And they write these like op-ed linked screets. Should you have something better to do? Have you seen that guy? Speaking of op-ed linked tweets, his name, he's a big... Bill Ackman. That guy. Total nut. I mean, can you imagine? Here's my thing about these billionaires. Can you imagine? You have crushed capitalism. Yes. You haven't flown commercial in decades. You can do whatever the fuck you want to do. And then you saddle up with Trump. Like that's your legacy. You don't leave some sort of thumbprint that you did something good, that you did something earnest, that you really help people.

56:44Your legacy is going to be writing novels on a white supremacist website named Twitter for a man that cheats at golf that is dumber than a box of hot rocks. It's unbelievable. They're so whiny. It makes me insane. Like, yeah, go get on your PJ, go to Stodd or something, whatever you people do. Exactly. Okay. Had it or hit it, Ted Cruz.

57:11I'm hesitating because Ted was the only person who actually took a principal position on the topic we just talked about when Kimmel was suspended and said, actually, no, this is bad for the FCC to do that. And so George Bush had a famous line, it was the soft bigotry of low expectations. But I'm tapping that ass right now. I'm hitting it.

57:35So Ted Cruz, Pumps and I always say we have the most unfuckable men in America list. And Ted Cruz was number one forever. And then until the rise of Stephen Miller, and now it's neck to neck, like Stephen Miller, Ted Cruz, obviously neck to neck. but something glorious happened. Ted Cruz, I was on CNN the other night and I was bashing J.D. Vance because he wouldn't condemn the young Republicans. And I was like, you know, you have an Indian wife, you have mixed race kids. Magif, he won't stand up for them. He's not going to stand up for you. Ted Cruz retweeted the clip. Here it is. So good. He writes, this is disgusting.

58:14Leave his kids alone. Which Tommy, I think this is so rich coming from the guy who Donald Trump called his wife ugly, said that his dad assassinated JFK. And then Ted Cruz is literally like feigning tears at the RNC screaming, God bless Donald Trump. It's unbelievable the moral collapse that happens when people capitulate to Trump. It's like one tiny centimeter. And then progressively they become worse and worse and worse each and every day. Everybody in his orbit becomes a worse person. That was what a ridiculous whiny baby, especially when you think of the broader context, which is Donald Trump and Republicans have spent the last five or 10 years spending the majority of their time demagoguing trans kids, right?

59:07And saying the meanest things they could possibly say to a community and attacking them constantly as part of just like a political prop so ted can fuck off uh he is a little titty baby um should i take back my thing no i'm glad he said what he said about free speech but you still have to you have to you have to have had it with ted cruz you can have the caveat that sometimes assholes have moments of clarity yeah that's it ted had a moment rafael had a moment of clarity but he sucks he will always suck there he's undefeated at second well actually i mean stephen miller probably sucks more okay last one had it or hit it the united states of america oh i'm hitting it i love this country it's a great country we we gotta we gotta fight for it i think um i think what i'm excited about right today's friday the 17th tomorrow is saturday no kings uh there's gonna be millions of people out on the streets protesting in their own unique fun ways in portland they'll be doing of the terrorists, the terrorist rallies that we're all going to tomorrow.

1:00:14Yeah, no, yeah, that's exactly right. The Hamas fueled terrorist rallies we're all attending tomorrow. No, but it is like, look, the first Trump administration, it was like, out of the gate, huge protests, women's march, march for our lives, right? There was this solidarity, there was this feeling that we were pushing back immediately. There was a reminder to Trump that he had not won the popular vote that we had the numbers and there was strength in that. And this time it has just been the opposite, right? It is this void and we are all feeling it and we're all looking for our leaders to step up, but I'm sick of waiting for them.

1:00:48So I'm really excited for everybody to come out this week and be on the streets and to be protesting. And so that's what I love about America, that we can still do that, that you and I can say the meanest things imaginable about the White House and we're allowed to do it. So I'm going to hit it. Okay. Okay. And now tell our listeners about Crooked Con. Oh, yeah. Crooked Con's coming up. What the hell date is it? I know when it is. It's parents weekend at USC. That's right. Crooked Con is in D.C. on November 7th. We are trying to get the least annoying politicians, the smartest activists and strategists together to just get in a room and talk about the future of the country, what we can do better, how to fix things, how to fight.

1:01:37I'm going to do a nerdy thing about progressive foreign policy. I'm excited to do it. It's always fun to see people in person. I think we desperately need to convene more. Republicans are really good at this, like CPAC. They bring them all together, all these goobers in a room, and they figure stuff out. And we got to do it. So I'm very excited about CrookedCon. So go to crookedcon.com if you want to come. Cool. All right. Tommy, I just so enjoyed this. It's been long overdue. thank you so much for having me you're like the only person in my tech talk these days so it's really great i feel like uh i feel like you know this is a big deal for me oh thank you and we are huge fans of pod save and all of the work you do and i agree with you that we all need to unite and collaborate as much as possible and i just appreciate it thank you so much this is really fun okay bye he's cool right i love him so smart oh i would be so scared to be in a room with any of the pod save guys and try to hold my own.

1:02:34Yeah. They're all very, very smart. They're all good looking guys too. I think that they're like the OG left political podcasters. Agree. Yeah. Yeah. I think they're all great. Um, well guys, Kylie, thank you for subbing for pumps. Make sure you check out Crooked Con. Make sure you buy our book. Life is a lazy Susan of shit sandwiches and um we'll see you next when we see you kylie we'll see you next tuesday and thursday thursday thursday all right bye

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