Escape From MAGAland

30:06And he has left the Republican Party. Now he's a proud Dem. He's joined the resistance. And he is running for governor of Georgia, which is so great because Georgia is one of these purple states. And let's welcome to I've Had It Lieutenant Governor Jeff Duncan.

30:21Geoff Duncan:How are you? Good. Well, how are you? I'm great. I feel good. I feel refreshed. How are things in Georgia? Well, it's 82 and sunny today. This is the best time of year. No humidity. Life is good. Although I will tell you, my wife just went on a beach trip for a couple of days with her friends. So I've not only announced I'm running for governor, but I've got carpool duty later today. I like it. Do you have any primary opponents? I do. I've got a whole roster full of folks in the Democratic primary that are running. And, you know, my story is this. I'm sure they all got a great story to tell and good resume, and they're probably respectable folks.

31:00Geoff Duncan:But my whole vision is about speaking to the 11 million Georgians. And I got a long road to travel, and I'm going to try to stay focused on the issues that matter the most. I think that's really what's going on right now. I think this is the vacuum that I feel and I see and I talk to folks. They just want to have elected officials that can stay focused on the issues that matter, ignore all of the shrapnel flying around from far left, far right, and just get up and go do what they say they're going to do. I mean, there's a couple of pretty important things going on in America right now. There's an affordability crisis where folks are showing up.

31:32Geoff Duncan:Folks can't go back to work because they can't afford childcare. Some folks can't afford next month's rent. Some folks are going to the grocery store and can't even buy all the groceries they need for the week. They got to put them back because they don't have enough money. These are real issues that really matter. And, you know, Donald Trump's not making this any better. He's making it worse, exponentially worse. So, yeah, look, this is going to be a tough road for anybody trying to run for office, especially somebody who is a former Republican. But, look, I lead with my heart on this. This wasn't a change for political reasons.

32:03Geoff Duncan:I wouldn't recommend if you wanted to just have political favor to switch parties, right? You got to do it for a real reason. Yeah. My heart changed. It was too hard for me to love my neighbor as a Republican. And that's really what my main my main mission is when I get into politics. So here we go. Let's do this. So let's talk about that, because we live in a red state to ours, much, much redder than yours. And we live in Oklahoma. And, you know, there is what I'm seeing right now, a real problem with the Republican Party that has brought unsecular politics to the electorate. But from my vantage point, they weaponize faith, particularly to folks in rural and suburban America.

32:44And they Christian signal or Jesus signal and act like, you know, I'm a good Christian man. And I'm going to go after these women that are trying to get abortions. And I'm going to go after these trans people. Meanwhile, they're doing the exact opposite of what Jesus, I'm not a Christian, but what Jesus, the central character of that religion, talked about. He spoke out against the accumulation of wealth, like not once, not twice, multiple times. And the Republican Party and all of its policies are all about very few people accumulating wealth. And I think it's just such a diabolical, insidious thing to take these well-meaning people that have a lot of faith and they have a lot of pride in being Americans and weaponize their faith against them, to vote against their own interest, and to marginalize the most marginalized people on the planet and say, you can't have nice things because of these trans people or because of these immigrants.

33:45And I just, I've never seen a bigger walking advertisement against religion than the Republican Party.

33:52Geoff Duncan:Yeah, look, I'm a big fan of Jesus myself. And the best takeaway from my faith is you got to live by example. It's just not enough to walk into a room with a bay of microphones or go to a pulpit and say what you believe. You got to actually do it. And that was really this juxtaposed, to use a big fancy word, in my politics was I just couldn't figure out how to reconcile what I knew to be the right thing to do. And then having to just have an asterisk mark next to love your neighbor. We got to be an example. And look, immigration is a prime example. I mean, it is unbelievable to see the inhumane treatment of these individuals, that they came to this country risking their life for one thing, to provide for their family.

34:38Geoff Duncan:And I understand that there was technically a law broken at the border, but when they're law abiding folks trying to go to work, trying to care for their kids, just trying to survive. And we were on an ICE raid, so Kristi Noem can take a Twitter picture and post it for a five-second soundbite, or Donald Trump can demonize somebody that is, it's just, it's at odds with my faith. And I think this is growing. I mean, even for those folks that showed up and voted for Donald Trump in this previous election, even those that would maybe outwardly support him, that number by the hour is diminishing. It's just harder and harder to explain that behavior.

35:18Geoff Duncan:It's harder to justify to your kids what he does and what he says. It's hard to justify to folks at your church or in your community. And that's awful. You know, I think about this, this Charlie Kirk situation. Nobody should be murdered for any reason, including political speech, right? For obviously. But Donald Trump had a really, really big opportunity to be the healer in chief, to be an adult in the room and to stand up and say, look, we're going to put parties aside here. We're going to put partisan cheap shots aside. We're going to just do the right thing. And we're going to cool down this temperature because America needs this at this moment in time.

35:53Geoff Duncan:He waited no time at all to go full force attack mode for selfish political gain and at the detriment of this country. But are we surprised? Are we surprised? I mean, to even state the conversation, Donald Trump could have done this. This is a man who lost the 2000 race. He lost it. And he incited an insurrection wherein his supporters tried to overthrow the government and wanted to hang Mike Pence and go kill Nancy Pelosi. And they took a shit in the Capitol. And so for us to sit here and think, oh, Donald Trump could have done this, the joke's on us. Of course, he's not going to do that. Of course, he's going to weaponize this.

36:40Of course, he's going to see this as a way to expand his fascist ambitions. And yes, listener, we say fascist because that's what they are. That's what they're doing. But I want to ask you this. Lieutenant Governor, is that what do your people call you?

36:57Geoff Duncan:How about Jeff? Let's go. I don't want to be disrespectful. Let me ask you this. You're a deep man of faith. I'm not. Pumps is not. The largest growing religious movement in America when they interview people are the non's when they ask. Religion's declining and people who aren't religious. So as somebody, I'm always so off-put by American politics because a politician like you has to come out and state their faith. And my faith guides this. My faith guides this. What do you have to say to the millions or hundreds of thousands probably of Georgians that are not of faith? that aren't looking for their leaders to come out in religious signal, that can simply say, I'm doing the right thing because I have to put my head on the pillow at night.

37:46We live in a secular nation. I'm all for separation of church and state. Because I feel like there's always this litmus test for politicians to come out and signal, like, I love Jesus. And I don't think it's behooved us in Europe and other very healthy democracies, it is very looked down upon when they bring up their faith. And I'm just, I'm genuinely interested in what, because you're clearly a very religious man. George is in the Bible belt. I'm in the Bible belt. But what is your take to the non-believers, the non-believing voters of this?

38:21Geoff Duncan:Well, I think you got to lead by example. I mean, I think that's this growing trend of folks watching folks that quote unquote, you know, are faith driven and then say one thing and do something else. It's just not unauthentic. And that's just not just politics. That's just in general. Right. We've got it for me. I feel like it helps make me a better decision maker. It helps me be honest. It helps me be compassionate. It helps me be empathetic. It helps me figure out how to how to really, truly own it and say, hey, I didn't get that right. I was wrong. You know, Jeff Duncan was wrong as an early Republican on guns.

38:53Geoff Duncan:Absolutely wrong. And then I had three kids and then I watched school shootings play out and I watched these parents not have their kids show up on the bus stop because they got killed at school, I stand with the 90 % of people that want universal background checks, that want red flag laws, because I'm a dad of three kids. And I'm willing to say I got that wrong. I think that's what really is the best way to lead by example. That's a really powerful statement. That's so refreshing to hear that. I mean, think about this in your life, whenever you've been mentored or influenced by a really effective, strong leader, that's one of the best traits they've got is they're willing to say, hey, I didn't get that sales forecast right.

39:34Geoff Duncan:Let's go work on it again. Hey, I apologize for losing my temper yesterday. That was on me. Right. That's endearing. And we don't get that now. We get the I was right. And then they double down, triple down and send out three tweets demonizing everybody that was on the other side of the issue. I mean, there's a playbook for being a successful politician, you know, to win an election, but not a successful politician to be an actual leader. And that's really what this is about. I mean, this is this is a crazy notion to think, you know, in historical terms, a Republican switching to be a statewide elected official as a Republican switching parties to become a Democrat.

40:09Geoff Duncan:Because, you know, I've got hearts and minds to win, but I'm going to do it authentically. I'm going to be honest with them. OK, I have a question. And so you're in Georgia, we're in Oklahoma, super religious, super gun lovers. How do you intend, and I'm genuinely curious because I would love this to start happening in Oklahoma. Like, how do you talk to people in these rural communities that think God and guns are number one? How do you approach with them the fact that so many kids are dying in school and nobody's talking about regulations or legislation to make it stop. So how do you reach them?

40:50Because you know, by design, they want their guns.

40:53Geoff Duncan:Yeah, I think you got to start by just talking about a safe community, right? You've got to have a safe community. And folks are watching this play. It's harder and harder and harder to justify, you know, this unabated access to assault weapons with no background checks. It's hard to imagine these clips that have 100 bullets in it. Look, I want to protect sportsmen and somebody to be able to protect their home. I mean, those are common sense areas that almost everybody agrees upon. But here's where the problem is. It's the shallowness of the legislators, right? I've sat in that chair as a state representative and then as lieutenant governor as the president of the Senate.

41:27Geoff Duncan:I've seen the weak knees because of the NRA threatening to run an opponent against somebody in a primary. I've seen the weak knees of somebody going, oh, my God, some rogue gun group's going to run a Facebook ad against me and spend$50 to make my neighborhood mad at me. Those are not really good reasons. They're terrible reasons to set gun policy, but that's unfortunately the way this is really happening. I think a majority of these folks know, at least enough to pass legislation on gun safety, know the right thing to do. They just don't necessarily have the political courage to do it. And that comes from leadership.

42:02Geoff Duncan:That's the cool part for me. If I can win this race, hopefully I've got the respect of a number of folks, even if they don't vote for me in the Capitol as my time as lieutenant governor, to be able to show them, hey, let's go sit down and have a conversation about this issue. Let's actually lead the national discussion on this in a rational way. You know what impresses me about you? And there's going to be something if we get to elections, which I think is a big if. But if we make it to these elections, what's impressive is you're probably too conservative for me, even though we're both Democrats.

42:37But that's okay. we're all going to have to form alliances. What I'm looking for in politicians is conviction. And the fact that you didn't let a man that lies about his weight, lies about his height, you know, wears makeup, picks on everybody all the time, that you said, you're not going to bully me. And all of the debris of all of these Republicans, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, I could sit here and go on and on and on, how they have folded and allowed Trump to neuter them and has their testicles in the Oval Office in his drawer. It's so jaw-dropping. For me, what I'm looking for is a fighter. And maybe I'm sure that you're probably a little bit not as left as I want, but I feel like to beat fascism, leftists and democratic liberals, progressive and democratic like centrists are going to have to form huge coalitions like they do in Europe when they form, because there's like six political parties and like four of them will unite to defeat fascists.

43:43So tell me what that's like, because one of Trump's biggest thing is picking on people like you. And you've been the target and you've had the cult aimed at you. We've had them aimed at us. They've like Fox News gets really mad at us and they'll go after us for a day. And like the the mail you get, the DMs. It's crazy. I don't think people realize. So what is your experience being on that end in a red state and Trump personally naming you and demeaning you? Share with our listeners what that is like, what all of that MAGA love is like when it's directed towards you for having conviction.

44:19Geoff Duncan:Yeah, I mean, I can handle it. I've got thick skin. I chose to get into politics. The people I worry about the most are my wife and kids. I mean, they take the brunt of it. I mean, the typical trajectory is Donald Trump. I say something on national television that pushes back on the narrative of whatever the issue of the hour is. Donald Trump sends out a tweet, you know, some hate filled tweet at me. Two minutes later, my wife's phone rings and it's a death threat. And two minutes later, my phone rings and she's crying. You know, people at school won't talk to your kids. Neighbors keep the windows rolled up and won't wave at you anymore.

44:52Geoff Duncan:It is what it is. But I will tell you, that's one side of it. But the other side of it is so many folks reaching out saying, you know what? Thank you. Thanks for standing up. Thanks for being courageous. And so if we got to build a new group of friends, so be it. It is what it is. But this is the right time for this to do it. And you talk about maybe not being as left as what you are. I can't remember the exact way you described it. But here's what we agree. We agree on probably 80 plus percent of the issues. and the other 20%, let's go have a conversation about it. Let's go win each other's hearts and minds and where we'll find out, we're probably a hell of a lot closer on those issues than we think.

45:32Geoff Duncan:And maybe with a little bit of tweak and a little bit of conversation, you can actually get something across the finish line. I saw the value of that as Lieutenant Governor. As a Republican, I figured out, wait a minute, these Democrats have some really good ideas. So I'd go sit in their caucus meeting and say, feed me some ideas. Tell me some things that you would do to improve this bill or something we can add. And it worked. All of a sudden, they're invested in the bill, and we can get something passed. That's the big risk I'm taking, that Georgians, enough Georgians to vote for me for governor, are like, hey, this guy wants to solve problems.

46:04Geoff Duncan:He's tired of the partisan divide. He's going to focus the arrows of our state government towards those that need it the most. Yeah, let's give him a shot. That's my hope. Some might say homes.com is the best home shopping site? Could it be because it has a sleek, spam-free site? You know, we used to laugh about, you know, bipartisan politics and all that. Now it's like, that would be a dream come true. If people could just talk, because I feel like now we're in a political environment that you have to agree with me at 100 % or we're going to wish sexual violence on you. That's where we are. And it's like, I just like thinking that at some point in the future, we can have different perspectives that are talking because I always get better when I hear other people's perspectives on different issues.

46:55I just wonder, again, like I worry about the whole rural Georgia thing because I know how bad it is in Oklahoma City. I mean, they have two Democratic senators. Oh, that's true. Yeah, that's true. But the rural Georgia is different. But here's the thing that I think about you. And I think about this about that James Tallarico in Texas. And I think about this with Andy Bershear, who's been on this podcast, who actually came in studio. And America is still a very religious country. And to have credible messengers for you to say, I'm religious and my faith tells me I can't bully people. Andy Bershear in Kentucky, which is red like Oklahoma is red, he refused to throw trans kids under the bus for political gains.

47:42And he won two terms. And he said his faith instructed him not to bully those kids. And there's a roadmap forward to get to rural Americans through Dems like him and Tallarico and Bershear. They're not going to listen to me. I'm the crazy liberal atheist. I'm going to have no credibility in rural America, but you guys do. You have a lot of credibility in injecting back into the culture to remind these religious people what the teachings that they learned in Sunday school are really supposed to be about. Because the cruelty that is being streamlined right now is so painful to see. And then that's exacerbated by religious communities that are in support of that.

48:27And so I think it's a real social, political time combined for politicians like you, Tallarico, Bershear, white Christian men to remind this white electorate what their faith is supposed to be.

48:46Geoff Duncan:Now, and I think it's, I think it's, it's even one step further than that, what it's supposed to be, but what it's supposed to feel like. Right. And I think that's the, that's the conversation that I have over and over and over and over again. It's like, you have to admit this doesn't feel good, right? Like it doesn't feel right to turn on the TV. Like you might it might be popular to say it on Twitter or might be popular to to say it around a small in a small room. But to watch this immigration stuff and these ice rates play out, to watch the demeaning of individuals, to watch all of this. It just doesn't feel it's not our core.

49:19Geoff Duncan:And to me, that's that's the message that that's there is a better way to do this and still be effective. Andy Beshear is great. I mean, he's awesome. You know, he is a man of faith, but he's also a man of conviction. And those aren't necessarily the same things. Oh, my God. That's so true. That is such a good point. OK, let's talk about the Democratic Party at large. There is a belief that I used to kind of just tow the Democratic Party line. I always kind of towed it like whatever was fed to me off MSNBC. I was a dutiful Democrat. And I have kind of felt like the Democrats, after losing twice to Trump, I've dug deeper, I've educated myself more, that the Democrats being beholden to special interests, like you just talked about the NRA, and in my opinion, AIPAC and other lobbyists, have made them the party of MAGA light.

50:16Because this is a time where the fighting should be nonstop. We're at the fight for our right, you know, just this news cycle, the First Amendment. And how do you feel about AIPAC and how do you feel about the Democrats taking a party of safe centrism and not a party of radical empathy, which it sounds like what you're talking about, which was the preachings of Jesus, radical empathy. So what is your take on that, like where we are as a party versus lobbying and all of that stuff?

50:56Geoff Duncan:Well, I think if you look at this like a math problem, right, or a business problem, we keep thinking, and obviously the right has elected somebody to the far right. So we keep thinking that we've got to get the perfect candidate to fix this country. It's going to be a process. And there's so many things that are broken. Right. So we've got to figure out this process. And the process is starting to wean people off of the 10 second soundbites, the shallow political propaganda that shows up and start showing them what leadership looks like. So for Democrats, obviously, Democrats want to win. This is this is a horrific losing streak in Georgia.

51:32Geoff Duncan:It's been 27 years since a governor, a Democratic governor has won in Georgia, 27 years since 1998, 150 years before that. it was the other way around. And so a number of the calls I'm getting from folks are like, hey, I'm not with you 100%. But man, you sure make sense. And you're the best possible person to beat Donald Trump's handpicked because that's what's happening in Georgia. Donald Trump's handpicked Burt Jones, who took my spot as lieutenant governor, I decided not to run again, he ran. And what that means for folks is if he wins, then he's going to hand the keys to the Capitol to Donald Trump.

52:07Geoff Duncan:And he's going to say, go run our schools, go run our streets, go run our legislature, go run our budgets, go run everything. But the process is going to be, you know, I may not be the perfect Democratic nominee, but I feel like the best positioned one to win this race and to start to get this shit back on track. And to your broader point about the lobbying efforts, I mean, the special interest groups, there's lobbyists for folks that have big checkbooks, right? But the average person doesn't have that same understanding, doesn't have that same influence. And so that's for me, I want to go represent a majority of the folks that are in there and see how to tug the reins of control out of those special interest groups.

52:45Geoff Duncan:And they're always going to be there. I don't want to be this unicorns and rainbows person, but return a process that actually matters to the average person, the average person showing up, raising a family, working, doing the things they want to do, chasing their career, trying to retire Like that person doesn't really have a lobbyist fighting for that. So can a politician that takes a lot of money, donations from these special interest groups like AIPAC, can that person then unequivocally go help the average American family? because the way I see it, Jeff, is we are sending hundreds of millions and billions of dollars to Israel and people in Israel have health care and have higher education, which I support.

53:41But people in rural Georgia don't. They don't have that. And because of the big, beautiful bill, a lot of those people in rural Georgia are going to be losing their health care. They're going to be losing their hospitals. So my question for you, because I think this is going to be a big issue with the base of the Democratic Party, and I don't think the Democratic strategists have quite grasped how big of an issue this is. Will you take APAC money or have you taken APAC money?

54:09Geoff Duncan:I'm not certain if I've taken it or not. I've run, I've been in office 10 years. It doesn't jump out at me as I'm taking it. But I think the most important part is - But will you for this race? i have no idea i haven't even thought about it i've only been in three days but okay come on jeff you have to this is like there's a genocide going on right now and i mean in even human rights israeli human rights groups see this that the united states of america is funding to see these kids starving and to not know if you're going to be beholden to the israeli lobby is is to me is not something that should take time to think about because you started off this interview with us talking about your faith.

54:52Geoff Duncan:I think there's two important distinctions to make. I think there's whatever somebody wants to write a check and send in a contribution. It is what it is. But do you have this? Do you have the spine and tenacity to do the right thing? And I think that's exactly what I've done. That's a track record. I mean, I think that's the separation. So will you take APAC money in this in this race? I have no idea. I haven't even thought about it. Wow. But I can assure you of this. My answer on Israel is that this is just an awful humanitarian crisis. And as governor of Georgia, we will do all we can do to deliver that humanitarian aid and work with as much.

55:31Geoff Duncan:But and also to end the war, I mean, these hostages need to be returned. The war needs to end. But this is the thing that I think we all need to focus our attention on. Donald Trump has made this situation unbelievable to make a mockery of kids that you can see their bones. You can see their very flesh hugged up against their ribs. And to say he's going to build beachfront condos in Gaza. It's disgusting. And OK, I want to take that moral clarity that you have right there. And then ask you again, are you going to take money from APAC? Because just there you talked about, and APAC is what helped.

56:10They gave Trump over, I think,$200,$300 million. Are you going to take money from a group that lobbies to deny that that's happening to those children?

56:19Geoff Duncan:I'm not going to give you the shallow answer of saying yes or no, because I have no idea. I've not thought about it. But I will not be beholden to anybody in their check. Somebody wants to write a check to support my campaign. That's their free will to do it. And I will sit there and make the decisions that are best for, I believe, in a wisdom-filled way for me. And as George, that's my exact position. Israel was attacked. It was a horrific day, October 7th. We need to figure out ways to drive those hostages back, and we need to figure out a way to deliver those humanitarian. And people need to stop.

56:51If Benjamin Netanyahu would quit bombing Qatar, Doha, where the hostage negotiations were happening, then maybe that would help get a ceasefire. And so I think what we're looking for are politicians that quit lying and that don't cover for Benjamin Netanyahu. And this is a huge party in the base of the Democratic Party and your urban centers of Atlanta. This is a very big driving force. And you have Marjorie Taylor Greene, who is a nut, who is an anti-Semite, like a real Jew hater, who is using this right now saying MAGA is Israel first. And when people don't know all of the scope of it that you know in rural Georgia, they're going to hear that.

57:32Geoff Duncan:Marjorie Taylor Greene said that? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So she's filling a vacuum right now where – and she has outside her office Marjorie Taylor Greene. It says no foreign lobbyists allowed here. But Marjorie Taylor Greene cherry picks what human rights she cares about. She cares now about Gaza because I think my belief is at the core of that is she's an anti-Semite. But she doesn't care about gay people, black people, human rights, et cetera. So I just think this is a huge issue. And I think if you can have moral clarity to talk about the starvation, the famine, and the genocide, then it's a very easy jump to then just say across the board, you wouldn't believe how popular you'd be, Jeff.

58:15You just wouldn't believe how popular you'd be if you said, I am not taking money from AIPAC. The Democratic strategists are misreading this. And I'm just telling you, it is a big thing. And there are some very bad actors that are filling this vacuum and void of Democratic leaders not being very black and white about this.

58:34Geoff Duncan:Well, I appreciate your perspective. Obviously, you've got a lot of passion behind your perspective, and I appreciate that. And we'll certainly continue to look at it. I hope that you do. I think it's important, once again, for me as the next governor of Georgia to stay as laser focused on the issues that affect 11 million Georgians, but also to look for opportunities to be a good neighbor. And that includes to those folks that are starving with, you know, and the conflict that continues to rage. I know it's really sad. It is. It's really, really sad. And it's an extra dagger to know that our taxpayer money pays for that, that we're their partner.

59:11We're Israel's partner in that. That's a really devastating reality to face as an American. All right, Jeff, I wish you the best of luck. I hope that you can report back to us sometime soon that you've thought about these AIPAC donations and that you will not accept them and partner with them in this because I think that you will have so much more credibility and already arriving at this podcast with so much credibility and standing up to Trump. And I hope that podcasting is a way that we can all make each other think and make each other better and help provide more moral clarity in a place where these fascists are making it very fuzzy.

59:46And I just so appreciate your time. And I wish you the best of luck of Georgia. I really like Atlanta.

59:51Geoff Duncan:Well, thanks for that. And anybody wants to check us out, Duncan for Georgia dot com would love to have them take a visit. Thank you. Thank you. Bye bye. How uncomfortable did I make you? You know, surprisingly, I was kind of all in. You know what? Here's the deal. If we're going to do this. Let's just, yeah. You know, I mean, like he's running for governor. This is a huge issue with the base. I wish that people would have more rigorously, you know, done this with, with our politicians and called him out more directly. I mean, I just, I think this is, I'm teeing him up for what's about to happen to him.

1:00:27If he wins the primary, this is what's going to happen with your base. And Marjorie Taylor Greene can either fill this void or you can fill it. But somebody's going to fill it. Somebody's going to fill it. Because what is it? 7%, 9 % of the base is all for continuing to fund Israel. Yeah, it's not popular with the Democratic Party. And you know, here's the thing too, it's not going to be popular with rural Americans, rural Americans, rural Georgians in particular, they don't know where Israel, Gaza, Palestine is on a map. It's not a part of the American educational system to worry about that. You have geography in what, fifth or sixth grade, and then that's it.

1:01:04And so when you have bad actors like Marjorie Taylor Greene that go in and say, this candidate is Israel first, they have health care, and they're killing babies, and he's a fake Christian, then they're leaving themselves vulnerable the same way centrist Democrats always have, by not having complete, total moral clarity. and he needs to be ready. So I hope that, I hope that he's, I hope for him since he stood up to Trump, switched parties. Yeah. This is a man that is not afraid. As he said in his own words, I, when I'm wrong, I will say it. And so I hope that this percolates and he thinks about this and I hope he circles back and says he's not going to take APAC money.

1:01:48Comes back. Yeah, I do too. And because I like him overall. I liked him. And here's the thing, you guys, we have the, I didn't even get to ask him what his habits were. And just because, you know, I commend him for coming on, commend him for taking tough questions. He's had it with his hair getting gray, which that's totally relatable. Totally relatable. And this is funny. He said he's had it with people talking about his tan. And he said, we have seen bad tans and mine just is his natural glow. Those were both really good grievances. Okay, I'm going to wrap myself out because I've seen him before, like talking and stuff.

1:02:23And I always thought, does he have a tanning bed? Like, so I'm part of the problem. I'm part of the problem. But he's just all of complected. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe there's some Native American blood in there or something somewhere. Because that, you get, when you're in the sun a lot, you get very dark. Oh, I'd give anything for that skin because you don't wrinkle as bad either. Yeah. I just get freckles. All right, Jennifer. I'm going to try to be less of a cat for the rest of the day. No guarantees. My kids always say this. I'll be like, do this, da, da, da, da. No promises. Oh, let me remind everybody.

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1:03:30I'll tell you what I've had it with. Let's hear it. I've had it with that. Listen up, patriots, gaytriots, and natriots. We have a new podcast that has dropped. It's called iHip News. It's Monday through Friday, every day, 15 to 20 minute hot takes on the political landscape of the United States of America always served with a side of petty grievances. We are on all the available platforms, Apple, Spotify, Google, whatever you get your podcast and YouTube. Please go rate, subscribe and review so that we will chart upwards with America's greatest legal mind. Pumps, what does an eagle say? Caw-caw.

1:04:12A little bit more enthusiasm. Caw-caw! That's it. That's the patriotism that this country needs right there.