Met Gala, Muppets and Meltdowns

24:49Angie Sullivan:Let's say, you know, ABC News and they break in with Elmo like this is not news. This is we can't talk about Trump being in the Epstein files. We can't talk about Trump having incompetent people that kiss his ass all day and have no plan. Global economy boom bomb in Iran. We can't talk about that. We've got to talk about Biden or Elmo. Like that should be a clue. And here's the deal. You're right, Jennifer. People dig it because punching down, that is clutch. I mean, when you said that, it just took me straight into my childhood, punching down. That's right. Go ahead. And think about, you guys, what a minefield a television is for a conservative, for a MAGA Republican.

25:36Angie Sullivan:You turn on your television, you're triggered by Elmo. You've got to go on Laura Ingraham and, you know, 9-1-1, all hands on deck. Elmo said, peace, be with you in Arabic. Stage five, titty baby meltdown. Jimmy Kimmel. Oh my God. Trigger city. These guys are the biggest, most fear-based pussies I've ever seen in my life. Need I mention, Bad Bunny and the meltdown that happened there. Watching television for a conservative male has to be one of the more terrifying experiences that happens to them throughout the day. Because I would assume a lot of these men are probably in homosocial environments all the time.

26:22Angie Sullivan:They're white guys that are around other white guys. And that's where they feel most comfortable in these homosocial relationships. And then they turn on their television. It's like, oh, my God, there's Bad Bunny. And he's kind of hot. And he's singing, oh, my God. And then what's Elmo doing with this Muslim comedian? And then, oh, my God, what are these women doing twerking? And could you imagine living your life that watching TV and operating your remote control would be like a minefield? No. And this reminds us what is exactly at stake for these midterms in the next presidential election, because if it's up to this regime, this government, this president, this Congress, they want a white national Christian United States.

27:09They got it.

27:10Angie Sullivan:They got it right now. But that's not enough, though. They don't want it. You've seen the courts come in and say, hey, we're going to allow you to have the Ten Commandments now in a school. So they're starting this. They're by no means finished. And so, I mean, once you see the courts and even some of the courts are jumping in and saying, you know what, we're going to get behind this, too. And you see Trump appointing all of these judges. And so the minefield is changing from these intellectuals that would honor separation of church and state to these judges that are just downright partisan Republican hacks that will do anything, compromise anything in the Constitution to instill some form of national Christian form of government that would be even tighter than what we see now.

27:57So that's what's at stake when you go to the midterm elections, when you go to the next presidential cycle. That's what we're fighting.

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29:29Angie Sullivan:Wrap yourself in luxury with Lola blankets. All right. And so also these MAGA people, you know, these are very fear-based. These people are scared and triggered very easily. And so when there's nothing for them to get mad at because they have the House, they have the Senate, they have the Supreme Court, you know, they got everything. They wanted their presidents doing everything. I voted for this memes, right? So then they go and create controversy. And there's a MAGA troll named Riley Neamey. And he went to West Hollywood, which is a known kind of gay area in Los Angeles, falsely claimed to be from CNN.

30:08Angie Sullivan:And then he interviewed a gay couple to tell them they were unfit to be parents while they had their baby with them. Here's a video of the incident. Play the clip. You guys' son or daughter? Son. Awesome. And are you guys a couple? Yeah. That's awesome. Cool. So have you ever heard about the statistics coming out that gay men are statistically much more likely to commit child molestation? No. You've never heard about that before? Yeah, no. Yeah. Don't you think it's weird that you guys have a child, but neither of you are a woman? No. You don't think that's weird? No. So you had a surrogate? You paid a woman$50 ,000 to be pregnant and build an emotional connection to a baby?

30:51Hey, don't take my mic, dude. Fuck you. I'm actually concerned for your baby's safety. I'm concerned for you.

30:56Angie Sullivan:We are asking you to leave. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Stop. Okay, so not only is Nimi a raging homophobe, but also a white supremacist saying in a podcast, quote, nobody wants to admit that the darker you get, the lower your IQ is going to be. And he goes on to say, if people don't think that the white race is superior or light-skinned Asians are superior. I mean, that's just a fact. And then according to West Hollywood Online, who interviewed the couple, Nimi's group hurled insults like the F word towards them. And here's something I want to say. Number one, it's a complete lie that gay people have more tendency to molest children.

31:41Angie Sullivan:Look no further than the fucking Epstein files. All right. But this type of shit is unbelievable to me. It's disgusting. It enrages me to my core and good on the, one of those dads who shoved that guy. And so the couple has started to go fund me. That's already raised over a hundred thousand dollars because they've charged the dad who shoved the homophobic racist pussy. And then he goes and presses charges to this guy. Um, and here is the text from their GoFundMe, pop this up. As a gay couple with our newborn baby, we were targeted in a way that was deeply upsetting and destabilizing for our family.

32:23My husband and I have fought incredibly hard to

32:26Angie Sullivan:build the life that we have today and to welcome our baby into it, which makes this moment especially painful and overwhelming. As a result, my husband David is now facing a legal process and the cost of securing proper representation is significant. David is a devoted parent to our newborn baby and an incredibly important part of our lives. Right now, our focus is simply on keeping our family stable, supported, and together as we move through this. Josh, as a criminal defense lawyer and just a human being, how does that make you feel? And then talk about the legal implications for David. Well, this is the first I've heard of this story.

33:08And I normally wouldn't want to give some piece of shit like this any sort of platform to talk. But here I think it's important that you bring this up. I first want to find – is this in Los Angeles? Yes. Yeah. So I think we need to first – I would certainly reach out or be willing to help him find someone that would, I'm sure, assist him pro bono from the state of California in a case like this. I mean, even in Oklahoma, if I had a case like this and someone did or said something like that, I mean, my defense would be simple. It would be all you got was shut. You should have had your fucking face knocked off.

33:47Like, you know, you're lucky that that's all you got. And just get that in front of a jury or a prosecutor. No one's got I don't know what jurisdiction filed this, but this would be easy to get resolved. And I'm sorry that both of them had to go through it. with their child. It's, you know, it's an ugly side of Trumpism is what it is. That's exactly what it is. And when we talk about what's at stake for the next two or four years, it's stuff like this getting worse and worse and worse. You know, that's, that's not the country that we grew up in. We used to be able to disagree with people respectfully.

34:23This stuff is different. The way that the Republicans are, are, are preaching this stuff is different. there's a violent element to it there's a racist element to it and we see in Oklahoma like we see in particular with a lot of trans kids like there's a meanness and ugliness to the government sponsored conduct in our country right now and so back to your original question I would certainly volunteer offline to look and see and make sure this man has a competent lawyer and gets his stuff resolved. We can talk more about that later.

34:58Angie Sullivan:Pumps, you grew up and a lot of your adult life around a lot of white people who have really homophobic, horrific views about gay people. Does showing them something like this and seeing how ugly that is, does that change it? Or is it just, no, they're going to go to hell and that's just, you know. No. Okay. Just in thinking about it and applying it to family members, I think that that video would make them uncomfortable. They would find fault with the person that went in and took it, took those questions and acted that way. because when you see it, it's ugly. It's so ugly. But would it change their fundamental belief that they have a duty to spread Christianity and, you know, homosexuality is a sin against God?

35:58Angie Sullivan:No. But the one they lean into, if they didn't have a baby, then they wouldn't have been confronted like that. Two men shouldn't have a baby. No, I don't think so, because it was so ugly. And I think the whole, you know, we protect families, we're pro kid, you know, all that we, you know, the sanctity of life, I think it would be offensive that they were accosted on a street with their newborn. I just think that would be that that would be too awkward and ugly and like crotch sweaty to see that. But and I think they wouldn't think that charges should be filed. maybe i'm going through my family right now i just perhaps the people i know that were in your circle the the they would have a problem with two men having a baby and there's always a blame to well i mean you know a lot of people you know if we as christians just you know we think marriage is between a man and a woman that baby doesn't have a mom and that guy was just trying to you you know, point out to them and show an example that this baby doesn't have a mom.

37:04Angie Sullivan:I can see that group piling on to this other narrative that two men shouldn't have a baby and how he, when he asked those questions, because you're talking about schools and institutionalized homophobia where they teach marriages between a man and a woman. And, um, I mean, it's a big, big, huge part. I think the duplicity would still be there. No question. But the way that was handled would be on the interviewer because it would be too embarrassing and awkward and ugly to rubber stamp that. So it'd be duplicitous in how you'd handled it. Yes, that was wrong. It shouldn't happen. But yeah, two men probably shouldn't have a baby.

37:55Angie Sullivan:Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just going to say those two dads, in my opinion, are a million times better fathers than all of the white Christian conservative parents that I encountered raising my kids in Oklahoma City. Not Christian-like people, but megachurch white Christian people. Those two dads are going to give that baby a much better childhood without the indoctrination, the hate, the permission structure to be an asshole than any of all those crazy Christian schools in Oklahoma. I mean, Josh would always say, I don't want my kids hanging out with those kids. Yeah, I was getting ready to re-up that.

38:38It's like back in Oklahoma, if you said, I come from a good Christian family, our kids could not spend the night at your house. That's the way we think about people like that. Like we see it up close. The hate is real.

38:52Angie Sullivan:It's real. When our youngest son would play these Christian schools and I would walk into these Christian schools and I knew the parents had signed all of these homophobic marriage things, I physically felt ill. I knew I was embarking in like a KKK grounds. I mean, I knew that there was a structural permission structure to hate particularly LGBTQ plus people. That is just hardwired into all of that education. And they feel very justified in attacking. Josh and I wrote a fundraiser. We co-hosted a fundraiser the other night for GLAAD. And Sarah Kate, the president of GLAAD, is this amazing woman.

39:33Angie Sullivan:And she stood up and spoke about the attacks that that community is under right now. And it's just very, very real. And that guy felt so emboldened to do that. And it's popped off on MAGA supporting that guy because this shit tracks. They love to hate on gay and trans people. It's so sad. And I will say this, too, in my work and what I see in a lot of rural small towns, there's a lot of young African-American kids that are just subjected to just outright day-to-day racism in small white communities where they're called the N-word every other day or they're called a monkey or they're called something every single day.

40:20And then that child has to come home and see his or her parents and process that. And then a lot of times you have a school that doesn't protect you. It's I mean, we all it's easy to think that this thing isn't as bad as it is. But when you get up close in it, especially in the criminal justice system, it's 10 fucking times worse than you think it is when you get up in it. Oh, sorry. No, go ahead.

40:45Angie Sullivan:No, because my kids went to a Christian school and I can tell you it's there, the racism, the cruelty. It's the superiority that you don't even recognize the cruelty because you believe you're superior and that it's your right, like your divine right almost. And critical thinking is not taught. Don't you think it's just your normal? Like it's just your normal. Like, yeah. That's all these people know. Noah and the ark, I just thought, okay, that's what happened. Because I never questioned it. Because I was never taught to question it. I didn't have critical thinking skills. So you just, it's just, you're like on a hamster wheel, generation after generation after generation, unless you stop it.

41:33Angie Sullivan:And those Christian school kids, they, that's where you hear the N word the most. That's where you hear the F slur the most. That's where you hear all of it. That's where it all lives. My kids would inevitably go play with some kids that went to the all Christian school and then come home. And it was always, oh my God, these kids, mom. I mean, they just say the N word, they say the F slur. They just knew like, wow, this is a completely different type of people than what we are around. And this shit lives and breathes there. And this video of this guy, um it is maga loves this they like this as outraged as we all are this it sticks the landing in the magaverse okay let's move on to uh billionaire bashing so favorite all right the 2026 met gala is coming up and as a person who loves fashion and attractive people what i'm shallow and vapid and all those things but i think i like to look at attractive people and great clothes.

42:37Angie Sullivan:That's why she liked us is we're attractive. Exactly. So I always liked looking at all of the images, whether if before back in the day, it was like People Magazine or Us Weekly, and now it would be like Instagram at the Met Gala. But in the face of Trump 2.0, the disgusting wealth on display and what little conviction these billionaires have, like Jeff Bezos. It really like, it's been so stomach turning to me. Like I really, before it'd be like, I'd hear people on the far left go, I hate billionaires. I was like, oh, why do you care? You know, like whatever. Now I get it. I totally get it because they're disgusting exploiters.

43:18Angie Sullivan:So Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez are desperate to be cool kids. Desperate. Little did they know all they had to do was just be decent people and resist fascism. But instead, Of course, they've been the dean of Trump, launching rockets, and he is now going to be like the co-host or the leader of the Met Gala. And so pop up this headline. A billionaire circus, Met Gala quietly slashing costs as it struggles to sell out amid surrounding Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez's involvement. And here's an excerpt from the article. The Met Gala was once the hottest ticket in town, but the shine is fading fast with prices being slashed as tables struggle to sell for the 2026 ball RadarOnline.com can reveal.

44:10Angie Sullivan:Some of the lack of interest stems from disgust at Amazon billionaire Jeff Bezos and his wife, Lauren Sanchez, serving as honorary co-chairs and lead financial sponsors of the event, while lead chairperson and primary host Anna Wintour is fighting to keep the Met Gala relevant in rapidly changing times. And I love this for all of them. I love that this is going to be humiliating to have your picture taken there. I think that this needs to be, this is a time for people of all walks of life, famous, not famous, rich, poor, middle class, you know, to stand up and believe in something. This administration is being propped up by fascist oligarchs like Jeff Bezos, who are funding ice shit, who have given Trump a permission structure, who exploit their employees.

45:09Angie Sullivan:So I love it when bad things happen to bad people. I do too. You know what I love is that Lauren Sanchez after her, I have thought so much about that article about her, like we get up and we do our gratitude. Like I've thought about that. And I'm just like, you could not waterboard that information out of me. Like if my husband and I got up and we just fucking gross. Okay, whatever. And that she's so victimized. I'm enjoying being a billionaire. Name me. All these billionaires should enjoy life. They have everything they fucking want. But so my favorite thing about that whole article that you just read right here is that they have to read it, that they have to know that people are boycotting them.

45:49Angie Sullivan:I loved it for Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez when they did their rocket thing. And it's like, it's 20 seconds in space and we're empowering women. It's like, everybody was like, shut the fuck up. If you want to empower women, fucking get off Trump's dick and spend money like your ex-wife, Jeff Bezos, you piece of shit. So I fucking love this for them. This makes me happy. So it's going to get better for you pumps here because pop up this next headline calls for Met Gala boycott after Jeff Bezos foots the bill brought to you by worker exploitation. This year's Met Gala is being funded by the Amazon founder and his wife, Lauren Sanchez Bezo.

46:34Angie Sullivan:And then here's a photo, a boycott, the Bezos Met Gala brought to you by the firm that powers ice. And so this is a really important form of resistance. And it's bigger than just beautiful people that have money and designer clothes. It's bigger than that. It is a cultural awakening that so many people in capitalism are completely swept over. They get up and they do everything right. They get up, they make breakfast, they go to work, they drop their kids at school, or their kids take the bus to school. They get back home, medical bills, dental bills, child care bills, and they can't get ahead because these billionaires exploit their labor.

47:28Angie Sullivan:And we have an entire country that assumes and we give these billionaires something they haven't earned. Oh, Jeff Bezos must be so smart and so amazing because he's so rich. And really, he's just a total piece of shit. There's nothing unique or great about Jeff Bezos. probably as boring and probably a terrible late. I bet that Kenzie Bezos is so fucking happy that she is away from him. And she's probably like, Lauren, you have at it. You can have it. It's a two-pump chump. I mean, I bet it's just... So I love this. I think it's a really important time for all of us to think about how we have...

48:06Angie Sullivan:And I still think we all get to like nice things. Not everything has to be ruined for us, but this grotesque parade of wealth when there's so much suffering in the richest country. People don't have health care or can't afford child care. It's really gross. It's really disgusting. I don't know that it's necessarily wealth as much as it is what you do with your wealth. And Jeff Bezos is obviously not a good example for people. But the thought, I have a pretty strict rule I try to adhere to. And if you're a white Christian with a lot of money and you're a Republican, I just don't spend any time with you.

48:44Period. End of story, much less get dolled up. And also I find them very, very uninteresting, you know, if you're having to talk to them. So I don't think that it's going to be any skin off our back to skip the Met Gala. Yeah. No.

49:00Angie Sullivan:Yeah. We've never been. Okay. Hold on. He won't put taxes, but how much do you think he's bankrolling this met gala for i mean who knows i mean it's probably a good change to him yeah it would be change if it's 10 million dollars if it's 20 million dollars it has zero impact on jeff bezos's bottom line i mean the larger issue here is when you have anna wintour who famously wouldn't allow Melania Trump, on the cover of Vogue during Trump 1.0. And you see this slow capitulation by so many people that have so much privilege and could really be leaders and fighters for democracy and for the systems that made Jeff Bezos successful, the systems that made Anna Wintour are successful, and you see them grotesquely bend the knee to this.

49:56Angie Sullivan:It is moral collapse on full display. I think we need to do brand damage to the Met Gala. I think that anything that Jeff Bezos is associated with, where he's trying to wash his fascist, you know, rot that he has on him. You know, when you hear about, they call it sports washing with Saudi Arabia, they're investing in golf and they're investing in these tennis matches. But they're still like, these are the people that ground, like put a human being in acid, like dismembered him, Jamal Khashoggi, and then poured him down the drain. And I just don't think the ruling class, the oligarchs or the democratic ruling class, the Republican ruling class, has any idea how disgusted the American public is with these people.

50:52Angie Sullivan:And Josh, you have a really good point. Somebody like Mackenzie, the wife of Jeff, she can't give it away fast enough. And it's always to marginalize people, mills on wheels, black universities, et cetera. I want to say one thing too, because even some of the liberal elitists that are wealthy that run in these circles, and we mentioned Anna Wintour, if they're not a part of the day-to-day fabric of this culture and what's taking place in this country it's easy to lose sight of who you're associating with and what you're supporting even though you come from a place of goodness you become somewhat complicit by agreeing to do these events or associating yourself with brands like this because you're not part of the day-to-day grind.

51:41You're not getting your nose in it every day because you're in a penthouse in Manhattan. You're not in Paul's Valley, Oklahoma. So keep in mind, keep that in mind. Think about that. Like this stuff, the incident you showed with the gay couple and their child, all the stuff we see where we're from, like this stuff is real. And when you associate with someone like Jeff Bezos or someone in Trump's administration, or you agree to appear at something, you become complicit in that. You become part of the problem, even if you come from a place of goodness, even if you're a liberal, a staunch liberal who believes in equal rights for all people.

52:24And it's easy to forget that. We're here to remind you. Yeah. Yeah, and I just think it's interesting that at one point, Anna Wintour used her privilege

52:36Angie Sullivan:and the brand she had built at Vogue for like, no, I'm not putting on the cover Melania Trump. I'm not doing that. I'm not bending the knee to these human rights writers, whatever her reasons were. And then now she's able to do it. And I think that's something that a lot of people are going to have to answer for. It's a quick, impulsive thing in this moment to do. But this moment that we're in right now isn't going to last forever. So let's fast forward to four or five years. Five years ago, what was it? 2021, we just come out of COVID. That didn't seem like that long ago. So five years from now, we're all going to be in a completely different place.

53:15Angie Sullivan:But what these people did during this time will remain. And there is a historical record of all of the people who just, I want to feel good right now this second and I'm going to let Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez in and say, you know what, Jeff Bezos, fucking pay your people. How much goddamn money do you need? Instead of bending the knee to Trump, demand structural change. It's really disgusting. I will say there's, what's his name? Warren Buffett. He was talking about taxes the other day. And if you tax the rich, if the rich paid their fair share in taxes, none of us would even have to pay taxes.

53:52Really? I was going to say Jeff Bezos could hire a bunch of bots to go to this event. Couldn't he just pay a bunch of bots, some of these MAGA bots, and have them attend?

54:02Angie Sullivan:Okay, but here's some good news. Mayor Mondani and his wife have declined the invite to attend the Met Gala this year, breaking a longstanding tradition for New York City mayors, cites that his focus right now is on affordability. And so I think the dam is kind of breaking. And good on him. He just consistently, the mayor, shows that he is for the people, that he is going to fight for working class people. And this takes me back to kind of the start of this episode where we're talking about these MAGA Christians. The Muslim mayor, Zoran Mamdani, fights for trans people, fights for gay people, fights for poor people, fights for homeless people, humanizes people.

54:54Angie Sullivan:And to me, he acts more Christ-like than all of the Christians at every megachurch I ever met in Oklahoma combined. Zoran Mamdani does. The Muslim who I just have to say to white America, you need to accept it. Muslims are here. They live here. We have Muslim American citizens and they're not going anywhere. They're not. They are Americans. Couldn't agree more. And it circles back to our point. I don't think Zoran wore khakis in a vest. Do you? Not unless he was trying to. Do you, Pops? I don't see him doing that. Do you? No, he's far too, like, he's got too big of an imp factor for that. He's always in a suit and tie.

55:37Angie Sullivan:He's always dead. Always. What a smart, you know, the Met Gala, it just sort of exudes excessiveness. And so what a smart decision. I mean, it's by far the right decision. At a time when people are hurting as much as marginalized groups are hurting and your day-to-day citizens are hurting, to be a part of something that's so excessive and wasteful with a group of people like that. And so kudos to the mayor who I got to meet last night, by the way. Yeah. Isn't he great? Yes. Fantastic. It's just, it's really good when politicians make us better people and they set an example that makes us better.

56:20Angie Sullivan:That's a really important component to it. And, you know, there's nothing about Ted Cruz or Lindsey Graham's that makes one person on the planet better. Not one thing they say or one thing they does is helpful or promotes any sort of goodness. But Zoran and progressive people, like him saying, I'm not going to the Met Gala, it makes you stop and think, God, it's pretty. I mean, people are suffering. Jeff Bezos sucks. Trump sucks. It is pretty grotesque. He would be a hypocrite if he went. It makes you think. And I think that's a really good politician. I will say this. Ted Cruz's Cancun video did add a lot of joy personally to my life for a long period of time.

57:02So he has contributed something positive out into the universe by allowing us to see him stampeding to the airport during the fucking hurricane.

57:14Angie Sullivan:all right i think that's all we have um do i do my book here too okay all right listen let's hear it it's listen i wrote a book i've been busy at it for about the last six months it will it's going to print but i have a sneak copy here it's called not today fascists which is what everybody that's going to go to the met gala should say not today fascists you can pre-order it with the link in our bio. It will come out in October, but please, please pre-order it so that I don't have to go on