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24:49Angie Sullivan:Oh yeah. You kind of adopt a gov. Yeah. So lately I've totally been adopting you. And I have to say, I really appreciate how kind you are to elders. And I thought how nice it was of you to offer Donald Trump, who sometimes has a problem walking in a straight line, a golf cart to go tour your cities. I thought that was so nice. And that's the kind of leadership I want to see being nice to elders. I just want to make sure that he's comfortable, that he has no excuses as to why he can't come through. And I just found the whole thing so ridiculous when he was continuing to talk about how I'll come to your city when you clean it up.

25:34It's just like, it's literally having a conversation with Archie Bunker. And so and so that's why I was like, listen, you know, if you if you actually cared, if you were tracking, if you this was actually a serious issue for you, the way it's a serious issue for us. Like when I came on board, I said, listen, there is nothing that I won't do to make sure that our communities are more safe because we had an absolute crime and violence crisis in our state when I first came on board. Baltimore City was averaging almost a homicide a day when I became the governor, a homicide a day. And that we had the nonfatal shooting rate had doubled in the state of Maryland under under my predecessor, Republican Larry Hogan.

26:15And had and he did nothing to be able to address the issues that were taking place, not just in Baltimore, but the violence that was taking place all across the state. And so when we came on board, we literally said there is no higher priority than I have than to make sure that our children are going to be safe in their neighborhoods and that people can be safe in their communities. And so we made historic investments in local law enforcement, historic investments in technology, historic investments in community violence intervention groups, and making sure that we were the only state, one of the only states that actually helps to fund the U.S.

26:48attorney out of state balance sheet. So I can move many of those crimes, those gun crimes as federal crimes because they're treated very, very differently than when they're state crimes. So we've been really creative. And then so to hear Donald Trump, you know, continually talk about, you know, I, you know, clean up your streets and all this kind of stuff without having any idea about how much work has happened, how much momentum has has happened in our state. Maryland's had amongst the fastest drops in violent crime anywhere in the United States of America. And we're actually serious about knowing the fact that we have more work to do.

27:20But it would be really nice if we had a serious partner in the White House instead of someone who's just saying, hey, kids, keep off my lawn.

27:28Angie Sullivan:Yeah. And don't you think that, like, I always feel like when he goes after mayors and cities, they always tend to be your color of skin, not mine. And my state has a pretty high crime rate and Mississippi has a pretty high crime rate and Louisiana has a pretty high crime rate. But when they talk about inner cities, the right wing, there is this suggestion to the Fox News audience exactly what they're talking about. But I read this article about the mayor of Baltimore and the work that he's been doing inner city wise in conjunction with you. And it doesn't even hit the national news. Can you share with us about that?

28:12Angie Sullivan:It's really a massive American city success story that shows that blue policy works. Blue policies make the economy better. Blue policies fight crime and blue policies make everyone safer. It's so true. And honestly, it's partnership and coordination that actually matters. Because, you know, sometimes you have to remind people that when I first came on board, like I mentioned, Baltimore is averaging almost a homicide a day. The Inner Harbor, the downtown area in Baltimore, was in receivership. The Baltimore Orioles were months away from losing their lease and having the Baltimore Orioles potentially go to another city.

28:51We had over 17 ,000 vacant homes in the city of Baltimore alone, vacants. And so we had we had a very real challenge. But what we had was a mayor who had a vision, a mayor who actually had the instincts and the ideas, someone who was born in Baltimore, raised in Baltimore and believed in Baltimore. But what he never had was a partner. You know, ask the mayor how many times he met with the former governor. Ask the mayor how many conversations he had in the former governor's office about what is the future of Baltimore, where literally the Republican Larry Hogan literally drew a map of Maryland without Baltimore in it.

29:29So when we came on board, we said that is not going to be our posture. And people said, you know, of course, you focus on Baltimore. You're from Baltimore. Of course, you'd help the mayor. You're the only black governor in the country. And I said, no, the reason that I focus on supporting Baltimore is because I'm really good at math. It's the state's largest city. And tell me a single state that is clicking on all cylinders when the state's largest city is not. And so his push of saying that we have to have more community engagement and community involvement, the push that we have done together to say we are going to make historic investments in education and housing and transportation because if people have opportunity, then they generally don't go into crime.

30:15The push that we've had on making sure there's increased accountability, but also increased opportunities for those who are returning back from prison as well, so we can stop this revolving door of recidivism that we continue to see. So I'm very proud to have Brandon Scott, the mayor of Baltimore, as my partner inside the work. I'm very proud that we're working with county executives all across the state of Maryland, and I'm very proud that you're now seeing some of the best results, some of the fastest drops in violent crime and property crime that we're seeing anywhere in America, in the state of Maryland.

30:47And it's because we've actually chosen to work together.

30:49Angie Sullivan:Okay. We like to ask our guests what they've had it with, and this is an opportunity for you to just, you know, something everyday petty. So Governor Westmore, what have you had it with? There are so many things that I've had it with. And so so let me start sizing of clothes. And here's why, because it's like, listen, I'm a person who, you know, every morning at 6 a.m. I'm up with the midshipman and I work out with the Naval Academy, you know, every single morning. And so so we so, you know, we really get after it and I really enjoy it. And so I enjoy being out there. You know, I'm a combat veteran.

31:28So it's just something that I've just consistently taken where I wake up early. And one of the first thing I'm doing, I'm sweating. First thing in the morning, right? And, but clothes kind of don't work that way for people. You know, it's like, it's small and it's too small. And then there was like, it's like large. And then it's just like, it's like a trash bag on you. And, and like, I love how, like for, for, for, I just wish that for men's clothes, like we have like, like a Smedium.

31:56Angie Sullivan:It's so true. One of my grievances that I had is, so for women, you have like low rider jeans and then you have like high waisted pants and then you have like a mid. And so you literally have to have three different belt sizes. It drives me crazy. Like the belt that I will wear with my low rider jeans doesn't work with the high waisted. And it's just a huge, this is a huge problem that in a normal America, we could address these things for everyday Americans. Instead, we're fighting for democracy, which brings me to a question I'm really worried about. So the midterms and the elections are put on by the states.

32:38Angie Sullivan:And I'm very worried about Trump because historically, authoritarians, and it's my opinion that he has those ambitions. We've never seen a U.S. president cozy up with dictators the way he does or defend them. and the denial of due process that he's heading there. But historically, once they get power, most of their things that they do are to keep it. So I'm super worried about 2026. And I know a lot of our listeners are. As the governor of a state, how can you ensure that, like just take Maryland only, that the midterms are on the up and up, that there's been no interference, that from a local all the way up to your secretary of state, that all of this people have access, can go and just is there hope?

33:34Angie Sullivan:Can we have these elections, Governor? I'm very, very worried about it. And listen, honestly, I'm nervous about it, too, because Donald Trump knows he can't win on his policies. That's right. You're not going to win an election. You're not going to win a midterm election saying like, you know, hey, vote for us. We just raise your prices on everything. Right. Vote for us. We've just taken you all off health care. Yeah, exactly. Policies won't win. Yeah. And so what then do you do? You change the rules. Or then you come up with a different metric that you're then going to do. And so you say things like, well, you know what, we're going to we think we should not allow mail in balloting.

34:12So everyone should have to go in knowing then what they're going to do is to do voter intimidation for at the ballot. Or saying that, you know what, hey, by the way, these Republican states, have you ever thought about redistricting? Yeah. You thought about changing how many congressional seats that you have? Don't know. The Democratic states shouldn't do it because that's voter tampering. But the Republican states, you guys should really look because you need fair maps. So it's very intentional what is happening, what's going on. And that's why I think it just, it stands on all of us for us to be able to say, oh, no, no, no, not today, that we are going to protect the integrity of our elections.

34:48And it's something that when we first came on board, you know, we have our elections commissions, which are independent. And we did that intentionally because we do not want political interference like what we're seeing from our federal government. And the things that they have been able to do, the things we've been able to reinforce in the state of Maryland is making sure that we are protecting our election officials. So they are free from intimidation or free from any type of outside interference. that we've not only extended the time period that people have a chance to vote, both the early voting, the early voting period, and then also on day of election, but also have enhanced mail-in balloting.

35:24So people have multiple different means and ways of making sure that your voice can be heard. And I'm very proud that if you look at every election that we have had in the state of Maryland, that these have been free and fair and consistent and safe elections. And it will be like that in 2026 and in 2028 and in 2030 and in 2032. Like we are committed to making sure that in Maryland we are going to have free, fair, safe and free, fair and safe elections throughout. And it is just and it's it's incumbent on every single governor and every single state to do that. Because one thing that we do know, Donald Trump can try to manipulate.

36:06Donald Trump can try to try to reconfigure. But here's something that we know. The elections are state run functions. And so the only way that Donald Trump can be successful is if we have states who capitulate. Like Texas. Given. Exactly. OK, I have a question for you. What we have we have noticed this dramatic under this administration. I mean, it's always been present and I'm talking about racism, but it has been cranked up to a fever pitch. I mean, everything's DEI. Everything's coded about, you know, inner black cities. In your position, you're in a powerful position. But have you noticed a change in your world or maybe with your friends that you know, friends and family?

36:53Because it's gross. Yeah, it is. And listen, I remember when I was first elected in our inauguration day, and I was very intentional about how I wanted the inauguration to go, because not only am I the first Black governor in the history of the state of Maryland, I'm only the third elected African American governor in the history of the United States of America. And so for our inauguration day, I intentionally wanted to start down at the Annapolis docks, which is not only beautiful, but those docks in downtown Annapolis were one of this country's first and largest slave ports. And we started down there and we did a wreath laying and we said a prayer to the ancestors.

37:39And then about hundreds of us then collectively marched from the statehouse, from the docks up to the statehouse, where I was then inaugurated as the 63rd governor of the state of Maryland. And what was interesting was that, you know, almost immediately I saw how Fox and them were like, well, you know, he's starting his inauguration with indoctrination.

38:02Angie Sullivan:Oh, God. I wish they would shut up. God. Guys, this is not indoctrination. It's history. It's who we are. And that's the thing. It's like, I am just a big believer that loving your country does not mean lying about it. I agree. That loving your country means that we have a long and in many ways, a flawed history in this country. This country is not perfect and that's okay. But the fact is we had people. And the reason that we've been able to make it through every situation has been because of God's grace and because of heroic leadership. People who are willing to sacrifice and fight so that we could actually get to a better tomorrow.

38:46And so when I have people who come up and say, you know, I remember during the tragic bridge collapse of the key bridge where we were working constantly to and turned around when they told us it would take 11 months to clear the federal channel, we got it cleared in 11 weeks. Maryland truly put on a case study on how to respond in these moments of tragedy and crisis. And I remember there were people, you know, online who were like, you know, he's the, he's the DEI governor. And I remember someone asked me, they was like, you know, do you have a, do you have an opinion, um, about this person, uh, you know, at, uh, uh, you know, catch me outside 54, um, who was like, you know, that called you the DEI governor.

39:28and I said, yeah, I do. And I said, I don't have time for foolishness. I said, I'm trying to make sure that these six families are getting the closure that they need. I'm trying to make sure that these thousands of workers who just lost their job can get on the job as fast as possible. I'm trying to make sure that the 13 % of our economy that was now just shut down because the port of Baltimore had been closed, that we can get that up and running as quickly as possible and the two thirds of the country can get their goods again. And I said, and I don't have time to deal with the foolishness of these people who are just going to spout ignorance and thinking that somehow that ignorance is going to be remembered.

40:02Angie Sullivan:And the fact of the matter, Governor, is they use DEI. And I think, I'm not saying you're saying this, I'm saying this as a person that lives in a Bible Belt state because they know they can't say the N word anymore. And they're saying that because you're black, you got something that you didn't earn. And when the fact of the matter is this, Governor, women like pumps in me and our kids, I sent them to private schools. When they took the ACT, I hired an expensive tutor to tutor them to make the ACT. When they applied to colleges, I hired a person to assist them do that. I started saving in their college savings accounts back when I didn't have as much money to do it, but I knew that's what I wanted them to do.

40:50Angie Sullivan:And it's important, I believe, in this multicultural society for me to acknowledge and to make sure my sons know, you started this thing with about 10 steps. You're on the 10-yard line. And so to your black friends, my youngest son, Roman, he played AAU basketball. So for Landry and Jamarion and these kids that we traveled around with since kindergarten on, they played basketball together. Their path has been more difficult than yours, Roman. And I think that's a very important, responsible, human way that we approach this. And I personally ache when I hear people diminish the accomplishments of you or the Obamas or other black people and reduce it to what they have turned into a slur now, which is DEI.

41:42Angie Sullivan:When actually Donald Trump, he's the one that got all the affirmative action. He's a Nepo baby that got a trust fund. You know, I mean, it's just so dishonest. It's the whitewashing of history that they're wanting to do right now. And I feel like a big form of patriotism in the face of fascism is being a good ally to our black and brown brothers and sisters and standing for them because you guys have always stood up for human rights. And I feel like the biggest white calling right now is for us to stand. Like when you told me the story about y 'all walking from the bridge, I was like, I wish I would have been there.

42:20Angie Sullivan:Like I want to I want to come for the re-election. I want to. Oh, yes. OK, let's talk about that. We'll do we'll do that again. We're going to we're going to do much. But no, but I'm really glad you brought that up, because I think I do think it's like, you know, another thing that I've had it with, honestly, is like you take this idea of patriotism and that somehow the Republican Party are the party of patriots. Right. It's like, wait a second. How did that happen? And, you know, and I think about the people who sometimes will be the ones who will be the first to be criticized about how they are DEI or they didn't earn it or they are they are only there because of their sex or because of their skin color or because of their place of origin or whatever it is.

43:04And then I look at the and then I look at the credentials of those people who they're saying didn't earn it. And I think to myself, that is really rich of these people to try to criticize some of the remarkable African-American, Latinos, women, et cetera, who are sitting in really powerful positions knowing that they did not just earn it. They earned it four times over.

43:29Angie Sullivan:Totally. Pumps always points out that during the Supreme Court hearings that Brett Kavanaugh is snot slinging, crying, emotional as all get out. What they always say women are. He's over there, boodle baby, talking about drinking beer and all this bullshit. They went hard after Ketanji Brown Jackson, and she, I mean, was completely disciplined and perfect. And it seems like the burden that American society, not all of American society, but a lot of it puts on black people, they don't put on everybody. It seems that they put on women. And then, of course, if it's a black woman, forget about it.

44:09Angie Sullivan:You know, it's really, really difficult. And so I just think podcasting, these forums are a great place for us all to talk about because some white people just have no fucking idea because they grew up in a white neighborhood, went to all white schools and still continue as adults. And they just it's sadly they don't think about it. And then when they do, when they hear a story about slavery, it makes them uncomfortable. And I feel like this space is a great space for us to talk about this and a great space for us to let it breathe and have, you know, like a flowing of empathy and understanding and a sense of humanity.

44:50Angie Sullivan:Because I feel like right now, politics are very otherizing and dehumanizing. And we just saw what happened with Charlie Kirk. and I condemn that with everything in me because I believe in free speech. I didn't agree with anything that he had to say hardly. I mean, I didn't listen to him very much, but I disagreed with him. But that whole thing made me sad. It makes me sad to live in a country where somebody is doing their job on a college campus and they get shot. And we had a young black kid that worked for us that got shot last October. and I still think about it five, 10 times a day. Like I just, I'm missing.

45:34Angie Sullivan:I think about him. I think about his last moments. And it just is horrific. And the response to this from the right has been that they're at war with people like us, that they wanna have a war with us. And I don't wanna have a like physical war with them. I wanna have free and fair elections. I wanna have conversations. I wanna do the podcasting stuff. I don't want to be a gun nut and go blow shit up. And it's and I'm right there with you where, you know, I I can vehemently disagree with Charlie Kirk's some of his rhetoric. I think some of his rhetoric was was was dangerous and ignorant. And he should have never been murdered.

46:21Right. You know, his kids should not have to come up without their father. his wife should not be a widow. You know, I mean, I'm, I, I, I watched my father die in front of me when I was three years old. And it's something that sits with me every single day where I watched how then my mother raised the three of us, myself and my two sisters on her own as an immigrant, single mother. Um, I watched how instantaneously and unexpectedly she became a widow who then had to now figure it out and how she now had to live a life that she in no way planned for, in no way expected, and in no way dreamed of.

47:08And I know how every single day I still wake up with a love of a person who, despite only having him physically in my life for three years, I take a great deal of pride that his DNA still flows through me. My heart is broken for his children. My heart is broken for his wife. They should not have to do this. And I can vehemently disagree with some of the things that he has said. I can vehemently disagree with some of the positions that he takes. I also know that part of the reason that I wore the uniform of this country and I led soldiers overseas in combat and I would give my life for this country if necessary is because I believe in his right to say it.

48:00I believe in his right to express his opinion and I believe that him expressing his opinion should not have to result in his death. That's what separates us from so many other places around the world. That's what separates us. That's what makes the United States so unique and so special, is that the first amendment that we laid out when this new country was built was harbored around freedoms. A freedom of speech, a freedom of assembly, a freedom of the press, a freedom. The very first thing that when they were building this country, they thought to protect. And so I, while I completely disagree with so much of what Charlie Kirk shared and expressed, the world got darker when he was shot.

48:58And now the fact that we have his children who are going to grow up with their father being killed all over the Internet. Yeah. And so I think it's really important that we do not forget this, even in our displeasure or disagreements with his policies. That's not the answer. That's not how we're going to win.

49:25Angie Sullivan:And I think it's important that we always point out that for me, at least on the left, my disagreement with you and my reaction to a lot of the things he said that disgusted me, truly disgusted me, things about black pilots, about wanting to stone gay people. that hurt me. And I want to stand with those marginalized people, but I never ever think that I want the person that says that publicly executed. My brain never goes there. I want to live in a country where we feel safe going to movie theaters, where Javi, the 24-year-old black kid that worked for me for my interior design firm and then for the podcast since he was 18 years old, never late to work one day in his life, went into a convenience store one night and some kids tried to rob him and shot him.

50:21Angie Sullivan:And this huge bright light was put out. And then I think about all the little kids that have seen their classmates. And I saw that video online and it wasn't censored. There's a whole nother thing for Congress to deal with whenever we get a normal president. But I think about little kids in schools that have seen that type of graphic blood in their five and six-year-old classmates, and they had to go on from that. And I oppose that type of violence so much so that I even oppose it for the people with whom I politically disagree with it. I just universally across the board oppose it. And here's what I want to say what I think makes the left a little different.

51:05Angie Sullivan:It's easy sometimes when you see like the Latinos for Trump and then, you know, the lady who put on the big salsa rally, then her husband is detained. It's easy to be like, oh, you fucked around and found out, bitch. At the end of the day, when I put my head on the pillow at night, I feel bad for that guy that's detained by ICE. I don't get off on seeing these people suffer. I just don't have that in me. And that's what makes me progressive. Even the people who voted against their own interest. At the end of the day, I'm like, God damn it, you stupid idiot. Why did you do that to yourself? I don't want to see you suffer and separated from your family.

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54:02Go to ro.co slash safety for black box warning and full safety information about GLP-1 medications. RX is required. You know, we just had historic floods over in Western Maryland, which is like Allegheny and Garrett County, kind of like, it's basically appalachia and um and these studs these storms were so severe that we literally had to have boats go up to the second floor of the schoolhouse to go save the children because the first floor is washed out so they had to go upstairs to the second floor and thankfully the boats were able to get them before they were washed away um we were some of the first boots on the ground we put in for emergency disaster uh federal relief uh because we knew we qualified for it for it.

54:53And, you know, ironically, uh, the president of the United States denied it. Um, and we found out that not a single state that did not vote for Donald Trump has gotten any federal disaster relief. And I was, and still am furious over this. And a lot of people are saying, they're like, you do understand that area voted for Donald Trump by 75%. Like they voted for him. They wanted this. So let them sit in it. Let them see what their vote just got. And while I tell people I understand your point, but here's the thing I can that I cannot escape. they're Marylanders. They're us. And I do not want to see any of them suffer and I don't care how they voted in the last election.

55:46This is not an I told you so moment. This is a moment where they get a chance to see what is our humanity. What is our ability to be able to rise above and to make sure they're protected and that while the federal government is saying to them you're on your own, that in Maryland, we're saying we leave no one behind. That's the difference. And so I cannot agree with you more. It's like, listen, there is a moment where people are realizing, and I think people are very quickly realizing that he is not who you think he is. And he was a fantastic vessel for the frustration, but he's not a vehicle for the solution.

56:29He's not interested in solving your problems. But we still have to make sure that as part of this larger human umbrella that we find ourselves under, we're not going to stoop to that level. And we have to make sure that our people, no matter where they call home, no matter how they voted in the last election, but that our people are going to be okay.

56:51Angie Sullivan:And I'm just so glad you said that because I'm worried about this younger generation. This is what your government is supposed to do for you, whether you vote them or not, they take care of you. This is what a normal politician does. So for those that have grown up conscious the last 10 years with the Trump stuff, you have to support the people that even hate you, that rage tweet about you. Your job is to take care of them. Okay. Do you have time to play our world famous game, Had It or Hit It? Oh, of course. Oh my God. Welcome to Had It or hit it? I would hit it. I hit it every day, sometimes twice a day.

57:30Angie Sullivan:Had it or hit it cilantro?

57:35Had it. So I, so I, I'm one of these very weird people who, um, I think it's like 3 % of the population that for me, cilantro actually tastes like soap and ruins every single meal. And so like, if anything has cilantro and it's like when people are like, Oh, I want this guacamole or I want the case. And I'm like, yo, like I'm, I'm out. I have so had it with cilantro and this, you know, this, you know, this gene that not doesn't allow me to eat it.

58:02Angie Sullivan:Okay. Had it or hit it talking about 2028.

58:10Are you?

58:11Angie Sullivan:Will you? And you know, you know why I've had it for real is, is, um, it's twofold. One is I, you know, because people are constantly coming up to us. I'm very excited that we just we put in for our reelection. We're very excited about reelection in the state of Maryland. And I think we've got an amazing story to tell in Maryland about drops in crime rate, drops in unemployment, economic growth, et cetera, et cetera. Right. Bringing affordability and actually creating more housing and more affordable energy options. So all this kind of stuff. However, everyone keeps, you know, when people say like, well, are you ruling out 2028?

58:45I'm like, y 'all, I haven't ruled it in. I never said anything about 2028 ever in my life.

58:52Angie Sullivan:Let me just tell you this. In 2028, you come home to mamas right here. Yeah. You announce it right here on I've Had It, Governor Westmore, because we think you, you know, you came on just a fuse of praise. You just come right home to mamas and announce it right here on I've Had It podcast. We'll make it go viral. Okay. All right. Had it or hit it, J.B. Pritzker. Oh, I love J.B. I do too. I love J.B. JB is my guy. I mean, like, let's say, and it's funny because a lot of people realize, like, for a lot of the governors, we're actually really close. And, you know, and particularly for me, because, like, I'm so new to this world.

59:29I've never I've been involved. I had never run for office for my life before running for governor. I don't come from a political family. I don't come from a political background. And one day I was like, you know what? You know, screw it. I'm running for governor because I don't like what these people are doing. And that's literally the journey. And then I ran for two years and ended up winning with more votes than anyone had ever run for office before in Maryland history. But but there have been there have been a real handful of governors, both some cases, both Democrat and Republicans, who've just been so good to me and just been helpful and thoughtful.

1:00:00And I've spent a lot of time with J.B., particularly over these past few weeks, as we both seem to be, you know, the you know, the the the ignorant angles and attack angles from the president of the United States about our about our cities and our national guards. But but I'm a big JP fan. That's that's that's my guy.

1:00:15Angie Sullivan:We met him at the DNC and he was on our podcast saying I was so impressed with him. I think he's the real deal. He's very genuine, very empathetic, a great thought leader, a great thinker, very realistic. OK, a couple more. Had it or hit it, Stephen Miller.

1:00:38No, I've had it with him. I've had it with him.

1:00:40Angie Sullivan:He freaks me out, Governor. He freaks me out. And the thing about him that I think people do have to remember about him is that he is – he's actually – he's smart, which makes it that much more dangerous. I agree. Diabolically. Because he has a plan and he's working it and he's utilizing the president and working the president to make sure that his plan is actually enacted. So I've had it. I've had it with Stephen Miller. I agree. Donald Trump could give two shits about policy or any of this. This is all Stephen Miller. I mean, they were going to give us briefings in like a Fox News thing because he didn't give a shit.

1:01:26I mean, it's unreal.

1:01:28Angie Sullivan:He just wants to decorate the White House. and be on TV and everybody say he's cool. But the people behind the curtain, they are diabolical. They are evil and ambitious. And those two things combined, I mean, we are literally in the fight of our lives. I believe that we have to keep pushing for even the people who are voting against their best interest. We have to put our big britches on and say, we're voting for you and voting for your right to have healthcare and you can hate us all you want, but we want you to be taken care of if you're sick. Okay. Had it or hit it? TikTok dances. Well, honestly, like I've, I've, I've hit it with dances, had it with TikTok dances.

1:02:13You know what I mean? Like, like I like how TikTok can like take dances and, and mid-blade, but like real talk, I am, I am, I'm a dancer, man. Like I like being out there. I like having fun. Um, you know, you, you, you drop a beat. I'm, I'm, I'm moving. So. Kylie, did you have a beat to drop?

1:02:39Angie Sullivan:I love it. With YouTube, we had to find something that we could play. See, I love this. This is so cute. That smile is just great. Governor Westmore, I mean, you make a red state gal want to move to Maryland. That's right. Seriously, you are such a joy. You are so smart. You so are such a fierce protector of your people, of your state. I think you are a star in the Democratic Party. You know where to come when the 2020 thing goes down. We'll do it. We'll do it in person and we will do a TikTok dance. We will just get all turnt up. I love it. I love it. Y 'all come through to Maryland. I'm telling you, this reelection, this is going to be something.

1:03:24We're going to send a message.

1:03:25Angie Sullivan:Okay. We will definitely come. We would love that. It's so lovely to meet you. We love your work and thank you for everything you're doing for our country. God bless y 'all. Thank you so much. For real. Thank you. Bye. Bye. I'm in love. Oh my gosh. It took me like 10 minutes to catch up after he started talking about every morning at 6 a.m. he goes and works out. Like my mind, it took me 10 minutes to focus on you guys. We've got to get pams laid. Yeah. I mean, I was just like, can you imagine how cute he is in workout clothes? That's the The whole time I'm thinking that. I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:03:58No, he's adorable.

1:03:59Angie Sullivan:He's smart. He's smart. Kind-hearted. And like... Empathetic. Combat veteran. I mean, it's just what a good person and how proud he is of the changes and the impact that they've made truly lowering crime rate and making Baltimore safer and the empathy he has for that part of his state that is total MAGA, MAGA dump truck, and Trump won't give them their federal money. And he's so mad about it. And that's what leadership is supposed to do. They're supposed to be better than we are. Right. Like sometimes I can find myself in, well, you voted, you need to sit in it. That's what a layman says. That's a very pedestrian thought.

1:04:44But leaders have to rise above and say, I don't care if they voted for me or not.

1:04:49Angie Sullivan:I'm responsible for their well-being and for getting them this federal assistance. Absolutely. Especially when you think about because he is black and the racism is just so blatant. You know, our DEI governor, da, da, da, da, da. And then Trump fucks him over. And this is the guy that saves him. I hope, I'm hopeful that that would change somebody's mind and think, you know what? He helped me. Trump abandoned me. But I'm not that optimistic. I don't because the right wing will just spin it that and Trump would just say, I'm only giving it because I found out that these counties, you know, voted for me.

1:05:25Angie Sullivan:And I there's just a larger problem that we we all have to deal with this misinformation and propaganda and people consuming it and believing it because it confirms some default setting that they have in them of racism. We see a lot in our red state of exceptionalism. And then you have the whole entire right wing branding empathy as a toxic trait. Yeah. You know, which is just going to make everything worse. AI and these right wingers are just making everything worse. All right. Listen, for all of our new listeners, we have a book. It's called Life is a Lazy Susan of Shit Sandwiches. Here's my Vanna White modeling.

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1:06:41Angie Sullivan:I'll tell you what I've had it with. Let's hear it. I'm at it with that. Listen up, patriots, gay-triots, and natriots. We have a new podcast that has dropped. It's called iHip News. It's Monday through Friday, every day, 15 to 20-minute hot takes on the political landscape of the United States of America, always served with a side of petty grievances. We are on all the available platforms, Apple, Spotify, Google, whatever. you get your podcasts and YouTube. Please go rate, subscribe, and review so that we will chart upwards with America's greatest legal mind. Pumps, what does an eagle say? Caca!

1:07:23Angie Sullivan:A little bit more enthusiasm. Caca! That's it. That's the patriotism that this country needs right there.