Pimps, Hoes & Politicians

29:07And human beings are not simple. Human beings are complex. And so any human being, regardless of how you identify politically or sexually or in your gender identity, every human is complex. And so even conservatives who subscribe to like being extremely religious and extremely this and extremely just simple, all men are this, all women are that, Even conservatives can't really hold to that. And so they end up doing what is more human. Now, unfortunately, they end up betraying their humanity because they're actually attacking those people that they are either attracted to or drawn to. Better sizing.

29:45Better sizing, which is harmful.

29:47Angie Sullivan:It is harmful. You know, I think it's important to point out that conservatives give birth to children that are LGBTQ plus at the same rates that a liberal would, which is around 10 percent of the population. When you get to trans issues, it's less than one percent. And now there's this hyper fixation on your community that is relentless, dangerous and fatal. It is a fatal attack on a group of very marginalized people, particularly when you get to Black trans women. The numbers are really devastating. Can you speak about that as a Black trans woman? Yeah. I mean, yet again, we are in a situation where historically black trans women, black trans people stand at the intersection of anti-black racism and misogyny and homophobia.

30:47And so that those sort of issues crisscross through the trans community and particularly for trans women in a way that stops us, again, from being able to access the things we need. And many, unfortunately, historically, many black trans women have been forced to make a decision when they've been, you know, shut out of work and shut out of different opportunities. They've been forced to make the decision to engage in survival sex work. And that's something that I think has impacted the community. It has lasting impacts in the community and for individuals. But this obsession with trans issues, like you said, it is fatal.

31:26And the lack of protection that we should get from people who should be progressives. These are people that campaign on progressive ideals. And then they turn around and they admit after, not admit, but actually coalesce or acquiesce to the right and saying, yeah, you know, the reason why we lost the election is because we were too woke and we focused on trans issues too much. When the Harris campaign did not champion, I'm not saying Kamala Harris was anti-trans, but that was not included in her platform. Anyway, I was looking for it. I was working with the campaign saying, right now, there are many, many anti-trans policies that were happening in the state level, despite the fact that Donald Trump was not in office.

32:12But his rhetoric really and probably his first term really allowed people at the state level to start attacking the trans community years ago. And so we were seeing that attack really, really sort of take hold and end up result in hundreds of anti-trans bills and policies. And it kind of started with the with the like attack on drag. Oh, yes.

32:37Angie Sullivan:Oh, yes. Yeah. We're like, we don't want drag queens reading. We don't want drag queens breaking into our house. We don't want drag queens scamming. And they're not doing any of that. They're not. They're in a dress at the thing reading a book. All you have to do is not go to a drag show. Just don't go to a drag show. It's simple. But they were able to use that as their anti-trans introduction. And people sort of like slyly moved over from drag issues to trans issues. Suddenly it became about gender ideology and gender this and gender that. And philosophically, theoretically, it does have harmful impacts that are longer lasting, but immediately it has devastating impacts for the black trans women who don't have access and who aren't as institutionally secure.

33:22Right. And so that is, that's a problem. What, what, the thing that is the more devastating for me is that so many people spend so much time talking about the trans community on every channel. It's like, it's top of, it's on the top 10 list for sure. Maybe even top five.

33:40Angie Sullivan:Yeah. Obviously top one in Oklahoma. Oh, it is. It is top one in Oklahoma. But what we're not doing is talking about the black trans women who are viciously murdered brutally on a weekly basis. We don't talk about their lives as if they have any value. And we're not really acknowledging the circumstances that can get them killed. And a lot of times the murders are at the hands of people in the community, people in their local communities, wherever they live, who are their romantic partners or boyfriends or people who they're engaged in sex work with, you know. Yeah. And beyond that, then trans women will sometimes have a really dangerous interaction with law enforcement and the police.

34:26And what my fear is that this new sweep, this new sort of like emboldening of ICE and placing trans people on the terror watch list or whatever they're doing will really impact people when they have interactions with law enforcement. that can be even more dangerous and more deadly. And so it's a mess. It's a mess.

34:51Angie Sullivan:Let's unpack a little bit here. I want to talk about trans kids because where I'm from in Oklahoma, that whole binary world you're talking about of, you know, you're a Christian, you're a boy, you're a girl, you're a Republican. It was very defined. Fortunately for me, I grew up by an open-minded parents atheist and I was never indoctrinated in any of this my mother and I had a trans hairdresser in the 1980s oh yes my mother is yes but I I watched this before this issue was so front culture war issues it was either 60 minutes or a vice episode probably about 10 years ago. And it was a woman in Alabama and she was raising her trans daughter and she was Christian evangelical, this mom and Republican, all the stuff you're supposed to be in Alabama.

35:48Angie Sullivan:And she has this born a son who is identifying as a girl. So there were spankings, there were time out, there was abuse, there was prayers, there was just a lot of things that the community that she did, her family did, and then her church at large did to this little girl. And finally, this mother said, I had to save my child. And now my family doesn't speak to me. Now my church doesn't speak to me, but my daughter is safe and who she wants to be. And so because I think we need to normalize talking about this, where it happens before it gets to the place where we have people that are getting viciously murdered.

36:39Angie Sullivan:Can you share with my audience, with my listeners about your experience and what happened to you when you were little and what would have helped you so that anybody who's listening here that has a grandchild or a friend who maybe has somebody on the gender spectrum, how can we as a society raise our awareness, educate ourselves about gender and about the best way to embrace children who are presented to us? a certain way instead of punishing them so viciously? I think a lot of this really does fall down to obviously fear. Oh yeah. And I watch plenty of interviews and hear people talking about like their opinions about trans kids or transgender people in general and the influence and influence of the community on someone who they think could become trans.

37:35And the fear in their voice, it seems as though they're expressing a fear that that child could become trans or could become gay or could be influenced into being something that they are not. And then beyond that, I hear a lot of people advocating and saying, well, you know, you shouldn't get surgery because if you do, you shouldn't have, you know, you shouldn't have gender-forming care because if you do, what if you want to change your mind? What if in 10 years? What if in 100 years. What if in a million years? And I understand that perspective. I also know that there are people who do, parents and guardians or adults, who do unfortunately contribute to a very anti-trans and anti-queer sort of atmosphere that then turn around and say, well, I don't want you to be gay or queer or trans because you might get bullied, not realizing that they are contributing to that same energy.

38:37But ultimately, I think the thing that would have, I came out as trans as a young adult and didn't really have access. I mean, I tried to come out several times. When did you

38:48Angie Sullivan:feel that? I've always felt exactly who I am. You've never not felt it. Yeah. The only thing that was different was how I was perceived by other people. And I knew, like, I'm well aware of who I am, how I was born and all this, but I also knew how I felt and it just didn't work for me. And I was, the only way I can explain it is I had this, I was a happy child. Like I was like, I would laugh and joke and stuff, but like underneath there was like an underlying sadness that was just always there until I was able to really click into who I am and express that. And I think every human being knows what it's like to want to, I hear so many human beings, regardless of their political affiliation, that they want to be accepted for who they are.

39:37Everybody. Trans people do too. Of course. And that is, I think, at the crux of this conversation. And when a parent is trying to figure out what the best thing is to do, And no, we have to understand that so much of the fear that parents have and people who are naysayers of the trans community are listening to everybody but trans people on this issue. Totally. Yeah. Like they don't, statistically, most people don't personally know someone who's trans. Right. You know, a lot of, you can hear it in how they're talking about it, saying they're coming in and they're riding on elephants and like, they're just like this.

40:17It's like, what are you talking about? Like that's not what's happening.

40:20Angie Sullivan:They make it sound, if you listen to Fox, like y 'all are this organized drug cartel. Yeah. With all of these weapons. That's like robbing and robbing. Going into schools and like, Peppermint, go down. You're like, I've got her. Shot trans. Boom, trans. Like you're shooting trans bullets into kids like a ninja. It's fucking crazy. It's wild. And I also want to, you know, like we can specifically look at the numbers when it comes to that misinformation. because we just talked, you know, about shootings. And I want to be, you know, reverent of the fact that there are so many school shootings that happen.

40:52So many mass shootings that happen in our country. You know, we top the list. There's a mass shooting statistically that happens every day, I think. And right now what we're doing is we're watching people who are conservative and who are anti-trans, basically blaming the entire trans community for every single school shooting that's ever happened, And trying to sort of like convince us that every trans, every single shooting that's ever happened has been done by a trans person.

41:17Angie Sullivan:I have the numbers on this. It's four that are trans. That's not that. And then the rest, that mass shootings, it's in the thousands. And Joe Rogan is a huge presenter of this misinformation with an assist from his friend Elon Musk. And this just all contributes to this propaganda surrounding trans people. When I think back to growing up in the 80s, this whole gender binary thing, the way it's trying to be defined so forcefully right now by the right wing, it didn't even really exist that much back then. because I remember the phrases if there was a girl who was kind of mask presenting and I hope I don't say anything wrong um that we would say she's a tomboy yeah and then if there was a little boy that was a little bit effeminate we would say well boy he sure is light in his loafers little Nellie yeah yeah and so it was just it was something that we accepted and now it's like on steroids with these men and the Trump regime trying to be so masculine all of the time.

42:27Angie Sullivan:And it's so nauseating. And it's so performative and it's so fake. We can totally see through it. And, you know, I understand that people have this fear of the unknown and so much of what we're hearing, particularly with like, for instance, the school shooter issue, we can see in the numbers that that's actually not what's happening. And what we're hearing now as a result of this supposed epidemic of transgender shooters that's false is talking about taking away guns, talking about limiting people's access to their Second Amendment rights. And it is really ironic that people who are conservative are the ones who are purporting taking away Second Amendment rights.

43:12Now, I know there's a lot of people who are caught up in it and saying, well, We have to do something. But just take a step back and understand that all of this complaining that people were doing about wanting to protect the Second Amendment and not have anyone come for our guns. It's going to be the Democrats. It's going to be the this. It's going to be whoever it's going to be. Right now, listen to yourself and realize that you are on the side of taking Second Amendment. If you are coming for a certain group of people, I'm not talking about one person who's barred that person is on a list. I'm talking about transgender people in general because they're trans, losing access potentially to Second Amendment rights.

43:50That is the government fucking with Second Amendment. And now you're on the side of taking away the guns.

43:57Angie Sullivan:Well, and let's talk about how we have seen little kids killed in their classrooms. Nobody will do anything about it. Nothing about it. But the threat of this made up lie perpetuated by Joe Rogan and Elon Musk to all of their idiotic dipshit followers. And yes, I called you all dipshits and idiots. And I'll tell you, that's right. Then it's like, OK, now we're going to do something about it. It's just the hypocrisy. But I want to talk to you about because the gun segue right into this. One thing that you emailed us about, you've had it with pro corporate musings of influencers who are obsessed with trying to convince us that instead of holding politicians accountable, just trust whoever looks like you as long as they are wearing blue.

44:46Angie Sullivan:Go off on this. Honey, I mean, I'm just, I am, I guess I've had it with people who, it's a different era. I think we can all agree it's a different era politically. The rules have changed. Pardon me. The rules have absolutely changed. It used to be back in the day where if there were Democrat, They're good to go. They feel the same as me. And I knew, like, if somebody was black and running for any office, vote for them because they're going to be on the, they understand me, they understand my community. But right now, especially with how much money is flowing through politics, all bets are off.

45:25It doesn't matter what your identity is. We can see. You would say, there's a person who's really high profile who's trans. Should we trust them politically? Should we get them in office? 10 years ago, we might have said yes. But if I told you that person's name is Caitlyn Jenner, there's a lot of people like, actually, no, actually, no. Well, guess what? If it happens for the trans community, it can happen for black folks, women, disabled people, whoever, you name it. And so identity is really important when it comes to being able to understand and hold sort of empathy for people. But identity alone cannot be a reason to follow somebody into off of a cliff.

46:01And so what we really need to do, I think, as people who are progressive, is understand the difference between being on the left, being a leftist, and being a Democrat, being a progressive, being a liberal, and being a centrist. And we have to understand, and I know a lot of people don't, that just because it says the name Democrat doesn't mean it's on the left or progressive at all. American politics is very center-right focused. And that's just the way it is. Because if the people who were the, quote, opposition were really the opposition, they would have as much fire to get things done as what we're seeing the Republicans doing, who are getting things done.

46:43Angie Sullivan:Yeah, they're wrecking the shit out of everything. Yeah. Meanwhile, the people that are in the center who are sort of like the thought leaders or whoever are sitting there attacking people on the left and convincing, you know, everyone just stick with the status quo, don't rock the boat, and using identity as a shield for criticisms, for very real criticisms that need to happen. I don't care who you are. I understand now because of Citizens United and the Heritage Foundation that these organizations work in tandem to flood money into politics and then completely do things like reverse access to our constitutional rights.

47:21Yep. So if the person if they decide that they're going to put a black person in front to put to usher that in, I don't care what you look like. I don't want you in if you're taking money. I don't want you in if you can't say no to war, if you're not anti war, anti genocide, I don't want you in. And those are my personal, that's where I am personally on this. And I am so frustrated with the leftist, not leftist, with the centrist people who look blue. But all they do is attack the left.

47:55Angie Sullivan:I have a great thing. So everything you said is so smart and a lot smarter than I've been saying it recently. I boiled this down to two groups, pimps and hoes. Okay, honey. I might have been one or the other one of these days. Pimps are the Heritage Foundation. Pimps are Big Gun, Big Pharma, Big Tech, Israel, AIPAC. Hoes are all of the politicians that take money from the pimps. They are. So here are some hoes. We have J.D. Vance is the biggest prostitute this country has. Peter Thiel bought him, took him off to Silicon Valley, queer-eyed him, sent him back as VP. He looks a lot better after he went to gay camp with Peter Thiel.

48:38Angie Sullivan:But he is the country's biggest prostitute. But we also have, in the Democratic Party, we have some hoes. Chuck Schumer, ho. Ho. Hakeem Jeffries, ho. They're taking money from the same pimps that pay maggots. It's the same. We cannot vote for pimps or hoes. We can't. Now, if you're a classic pimp and a hoe, I'm in support of decriminalizing sex work. I am. I am. Now, if you're just getting paid to go do a little in the back, that's different. If you're taking away our rights and changing the access to the constitutional rights and protections that we have, then that's the wrong kind of hoe. If you're earning your money on your back earnestly, I support you and I'd probably vote for you.

49:22Hey, honestly. I really would.

49:24Angie Sullivan:I I honestly would. And I would rather earn my money on my back than be a hoe like Chuckles, like J.D. Vance, like little Moses Mike Grinder Johnson. I just...

49:41Angie Sullivan:Peppermint. Drag her. Cheers. Cheers. This is Peppermint's Tea. Tell my listeners about your tea. This is a commercial break. Go off, Peppermint. This is Peppermint's Transcendence. It's a deep blue vanilla mint tea, caffeine-free herbal. It's delicious. You can have it hot or cold. I'm about to launch a new line of mocktails using the tea. Oh, I love that because I don't drink. Yeah, me neither. Ooh. But the best part about this is a portion of every single sale of this tea goes to Advocates for Trans Equality. I love that. Which is a trans-focused, trans-led organization that focuses on quality of life issues for the trans community.

50:24Protecting us with our passports, our identification, name changes, legal access to voting. All these different things that are on the table right now. And so get yourself some tea. If you're not drinking this, then your tea is transphobic, honey. That's what I have to say.

50:41Angie Sullivan:Speaking of passports, why don't you update us on Caitlyn Jenner's? Darling, denied. You know, I mean, I have very little empathy. Sympathy. I have very little sympathy. I can empathize with her, but I have very little sympathy for someone who's going to, who fails to see her contribution to the situation that we're all in right now. That being said, I don't want to misgender Caitlyn Jenner. No. I don't. She's a woman. I don't want her to not have access to a passport, maybe on the grounds that she killed someone, but not on the grounds that she is trans. And so I want her to have the same access and the same rights as everyone else.

51:32And it seems as though she would be perfectly happy. And a lot of people who, especially even those centrist liberals, would be perfectly happy. Centrist liberal.

51:42Angie Sullivan:she's like the biggest most disgusting and sort of centrist liberals uh perfectly happy having these you know rules for thee and not for me where they're like you know as long as i have access to whatever it is then i'm okay as long as i'm not involved in a genocide it's okay as long as i'm not losing access to this or that it's okay and the centrist liberals are the very first people when people are chirping online because most of the conversations we have is online are the very first people to sit around. I only hear them talk about the trans community two and a half times a year. Once is when you are criticizing a establishment politician.

52:26Then they'll be like, well, you better not criticize them because they're the only ones who are going to save you. Meanwhile, look what's happening. The other time is when you are trying your best to advocate against war and genocide. People be like, well, if you're like against Islamophobia and anti-Islam hate. Well, don't be, you know, don't be protecting Islamic people and Muslim people because they would throw you off a building. Honey, what are you talking about? They're not, you know, like this is, that's the only time that I hear these centrist liberals even announce, mention the trans community.

52:58Could you say something about the attacks in the trans community that are currently happening right now? Can you say something about the fact that trans people are being put on a terror watch list and being blamed for everything. Can you do something about that? State by state by state. They are not only did this start in Kansas, but now there's six or seven states that have overnight revoked access to trans people's licenses and their birth certificates.

53:22Angie Sullivan:And then here's what's important to point out. Trans people do not disappear. It doesn't like it's so like, what is the end game here? All you're doing, it's institutionalized bullying. And again, as we mentioned at the top of the episode, it can be fatal. This type of legislation can be fatal. But let me have you explain this. And I try to explain this to my audience all the time. My audience agrees, I think, for the most part. Yeah, they're good. So when you have universal human rights, you as a trans person cannot throw Palestinians under the bus. You cannot be dismissive of Islamophobia if you want people to take seriously anti-Black racism.

54:07And so when we have a Democrat politician who is

54:12Angie Sullivan:really good on a lot of issues, but then the genocide comes up, for me, this is a red flag, because if they're willing to throw little kids in a very poor country that have nothing under the bus, what's going to make them not move the goalposts and then start marginalizing and attacking more groups. Money, hoes. Yeah, exact hoes. Yeah. We are, listen, when it's on the simplest, regardless of where you fall, on the simplest of terms, I thought we were at a point where seeing children being burned alive is something we can all agree we don't want to happen. I thought so too. Some people might just say that they don't want to see it, but I don't want to see it because I don't want it to be happening.

55:01So if we can start there, imagine someone who can be paid by a corporation to turn a blind eye against that. Imagine someone who you think is a principled person being able to have their moral compass adjusted to fit what a corporate pack wants it to be. And people need to realize, they should realize, I think that they do, that corporations do not have our best interests at heart. They want to pollute the water, pollute the air, pollute the, sell us chemicals in our food. Not pay you anything. Not pay you anything. Take away your access to housing or make the houses. Everything that involves corporations and capitalism gets smaller and smaller and smaller.

55:47The products get worse and worse and worse and get more and more expensive. Honey, I went to go get some damn ice cream the other day. I'm used to having a pint of ice cream. This is a pint of ice cream. They're not even pints anymore. They're 14 ounces. A pint is 16 ounces. They're not even a pint anymore. They're smaller. And now they're$8. They used to be like$4.75. That's what, I mean, that's, I don't mean to, you know, belittle the conversation of genocide. I'm just saying that corporations, everything corporations touch for the most part, just ends up being - Exploitation and profit. That's what it is.

56:16And so why would you want somebody who wants to cozy up to that if their job is to, as an elected official, advocate on behalf of people.

56:27Angie Sullivan:This is, you know, I got in this big fight with Cory Booker on the podcast. Oh, honey, that episode. Honey, I'm done with her. Oh, I know. Because here's my thing. As a progressive person that lived in Oklahoma City, I saw firsthand how destructive the MAGA supermajorities are. I have friends who just recently moved. They have a trans daughter. They had to move out of Oklahoma to California because they cannot raise that child there because the cruelty trickles down. The bullying trickles down. Other kids would bully, you know, the schools, et cetera. And so back in the day, back in the day, I would see Cory Booker.

57:08Angie Sullivan:And I think, I mean, this man's a dream. He's good looking. he's progressive. I really had this like, like warm feeling about him. And then you find out that Israel broke him and that he's a hoe and he takes money from the pimps. And then you think anything he says from that point, moving forward about the LGBTQ plus about anti-black racism, to me, it's all watered down. How do you feel as a black trans woman, when you see somebody like Cory Booker talking about equality and all of the things. How does that make you feel? It kind of goes to one of your grievances here. It's only, I see our identities being trotted out and used only as the shield or this protection or as an excuse when they're making a statement about something where invoking transness serves their argument, but doesn't really call them to put in the work.

58:03I don't care if you... I remember when Obama was elected and the first time he mentioned the LGBT community in a speech. I think historically it was the first time a president's ever done that. I remember, honey, I was running through the street. I was celebrating. I was like, oh, we did it. It's over. We got it. Little did I know, right, that we had so much further to go. And that is not enough. We hear politicians mentioning the LGBT community from time to time. And, you know, Certainly not enough, but they're not putting in the work. They're not actually performing the actions that they were elected to do to protect their constituents, their voters.

58:41And that is a problem for me. I would much rather have someone who maybe they say, I don't necessarily like trans people. I don't know anybody, and it doesn't really mean anything to me, but I want every single person in this country to have access to health care and housing and food and this. everybody if if we can agree on that i don't care what you think of me you don't need to come to my

59:00Angie Sullivan:show what i think like i think that a way around because this issue i acknowledge for people that live in rural america that have been told this is the only way people exist this is the only way the world is and then they hear you know all about you know all this trans ideology and all this crazy shit's going on that they'd be like well what the fuck a politician that truly is a decent person that really cared about the country, their faith or whatever, all the stuff they trot out, all the platitudes would say, you don't have to understand it. You get to think it's weird. You get to think, well, that's some weird shit, but you cannot take away rights from people.

59:40Angie Sullivan:And so when Democrats, I had that Rahm Emanuel on my podcast and he said, yeah. And he said, you know, we Democrats shouldn't be talking about the bathroom issues. We should be talking about the kitchen table issues. And I thought I kind of lost it on him. I was just like, because I just saw like, do you fucking believe in anything? Are you kidding me? You're throwing a community under the bus because you think it's a political transaction. And it's so gross, Peppermint. It's disgusting. And fine, let's talk about kitchen table issues. Let's talk about making sure that corporations aren't able to interfere in our elections, that we people can have enough pay, like a wage that actually helps them.

1:00:21But Rahmah Manu, you don't want to talk about that either. Newsflash. Trans people have kitchen table.

1:00:26Angie Sullivan:The same kitchen table issue. Yes. That's the thing. When the Democrats do that, and I don't know what, I don't know what they're going to do. I know it's going to take you. Lose. Not fight, fold. Yeah. Hello. Okay. All right. Let's play had it or hit it.

1:00:54Angie Sullivan:Had it or hit it, salt and pepper packets. Had it. Had it. Listen, I love it. Why is there not enough pepper in the packet? There's all this salt, and then when you go to get your food, you know, get your mouth all fixed up to have a nice to-go meal, because we live in New York, honey, we're at Costa Rica, and we're on the go. and you open up your seasoning packet, your little salt and pepper, and the pepper has like three granules of pepper in there, honey. Why don't they put the same amount? I don't get it. Corporate greed. Corporate greed. What else would it be? Corporate greed. Capitalism.

1:01:32It probably had it.

1:01:33Angie Sullivan:And probably those three pepper specks are just carcinogens. It's not even real pepper. It's pepper flavor. Girl, girl, girl, you know it's not pepper. That's not pepper. Oh, Lord. All right. Had it. The carcinogens. Fill it up with this. You've gone on this again, but I have to ask you again. Had it or hit it, centrist. I'm over the centrist. I'm over the centrist. The jig is up. We know who you are. I see you. You are only working for capital. You are only working for your own very, very, very close issues. And you're not willing to risk anything for the greater good. And I have a problem with that because it doesn't seem like it's geared towards the humankind.

1:02:18It doesn't seem like it's geared towards ultimate empathy. It's geared. It's in this mindset of like, we're just going to like, keep the status quo and keep it. It's like, it's all about respectability politics. And just like, let's just look and act like we're nice and be cordial and say, yes, ma 'am, and please. And thank you. And that is all. That's it. Who cares if you're dying in the street? Who cares if you can't afford. Just be nice. Don't come in here being, you know, rowdy. Be really nice when you're telling people that you don't have any money and that you're getting evicted and you're starving.

1:02:51Just be thankful. Like, that's the centrist way. And I can't with that. Incremental change, do not lie to me and tell me that incremental change is what we have to have. We have not, honey, these right-wing people and these conservatives are not moving in any increments. No, they don't fuck around. There's no increments to be, it's not, honey, by the time you look here, They're all the way down the line.

1:03:12Angie Sullivan:Oh, yeah. And so we know now that that's not true. Incremental change is not true. And the only thing that's the through line is seeing these progressive establishment Democrat politicians say, oh, well, we lost, but let's raise money. And I'll be here in 10 years and we'll still be losing, but just let's raise money. Oh, gay pride. I'll march at the parade. Yay. Okay, that's that. Oh, you can't get married. But gay pride. Oh, you can't have your rights? Oh, they just took the right away. Oh, now you can't have an abortion. Oh, I respect women. Can you raise money? We're still losing. We have a new game.

1:03:53Angie Sullivan:Well, you know, I get angry. When I get irrational, I like to think about doing things like this. And I would imagine that this is the way the leftists would govern if they had kind of a MAGA style psychosis. So you and I get into the White House. And I'm going to be like, Rom, you didn't support trans issues. Absolutely zero LGBTQ plus in your life. If there's a movie that one LGBTQ person worked in, I don't care if it's a makeup artist, a hairdresser, you're banned from watching it. No Mexican restaurants for anybody in the Bible Belt. You don't like black people, but you watch sports. Fuck you.

1:04:30Angie Sullivan:You can't watch sports anymore. I would just start banning them all from doing anything that they enjoyed that contributes to our beautiful multiculturalism now. What a bland life that would be. Cooler heads prevail. And I wouldn't, you know, obviously do that. But I think about it all the time. Like, imagine what this city or any city would be without the LGBTQ plus community. Imagine what sports would be like. Acting would be like. Just your everyday life without black people or immigrants. We don't have that much, but what America has is multiculturalism. That's our culture. Preach, honey. That's it.

1:05:10You know? In addition to that, like you said, this just occurred to me. We're not going to disappear, right? Like, we don't disappear. Black folks aren't going to disappear. Immigrants aren't going to disappear. Mexican folks, disabled folks, trans folks, we're not going to disappear.

1:05:23Angie Sullivan:So we have to ban the whites. Yes. The whites disappear. Let's try that. Yeah. Let me stop. Let me stop and get dragged. But one of the things I do want to say is I think that they are okay. They like the fact that, listen, they know that these human beings aren't going to disappear, but how much more desperate will this group of human beings be to accept the little crumbs that we give them if we can make sure that they don't have access to the equality that says we're supposed to have in the Constitution? And so that's what ends up happening is these people who are anti-trans up here, they like the fact that we're losing access to all these different things that make our lives better because they don't want to see a trans person prevail and be prosperous.

1:06:06They want to see a trans person out in the street who's just desperate for any little thing that you'll give me because then they have control over us. When we're desperate, we have control. Like when women weren't able to work out of the home and couldn't have their own bank accounts and certainly couldn't make decisions about their own bodies, but they were stuck in these marriages that they couldn't get out of, they were desperate. And so then you're not thinking about getting your freedom or trying to be prosperous. You're just thinking about, how am I going to have a roof over my head? Well, I better do what this man says.

1:06:37And then we saw women were marrying people that they would have never wanted to marry just to have a place to live. And they were like, okay, I'll raise kids. I'm not disparaging having a family. People do that and they love it and all these different things. I didn't have no kids. But there were certainly women who were like queer or whatever they were in the 50s who were stuck in these relationships who didn't want to be in these relationships. And then they were going to key parties and swinging at night because they were like, I got to do something. And that was like a widespread thing. Well, it's not as big anymore, I think, at least not on the surface, because people can make their own decisions.

1:07:14And they're trying to roll that back because they see these men in power, see that when people can make their own decisions, they're not desperate. And then they're not paying attention to us and uplifting our mediocrity.

1:07:26Angie Sullivan:Yeah. And then maybe they don't like men as much. Hello. I mean, you've heard about all this. Like, I'll tell you what's happening in the Bible, but right now, I've never seen so many middle-aged women switching teams. They are flat out switching teams. I mean, women I knew that were married, three kids, next thing you know, they're married to a woman. I'm like, what? I'm telling you, this midlife lesbianism is just really on the rise in the Bible Belt. Thank goodness for that. Moving along. Had it or hid it. Sucking your teeth in public. Can't stand it. I sit in the car or wherever I am, whether you're in a car, on the train, wherever, at close proximity with a stranger.

1:08:04A lot of times he's a man.

1:08:05Angie Sullivan:Give us an example. people do that in Oklahoma all the time how there's nothing what's in your tooth sir they do like they got a toothpick and they'll go but darling I'll tell you what I'm gonna get this sir yeah sir go brush your tooth yeah what's going on honey is there something did you get it did you get it do you need my help do you need my help like I don't get I just it really really it burns my britches all right had it or hit it white women

1:08:39present had it with the white women who okay okay who do not see their place in dismantling anti-black racism in exchange for pro-white feminism There are white women who think, I mean, we saw in the 20s, women got the right to vote in our country. Black women were left behind. Black women were involved in that fight, but left behind for another, what, 30, 40 years, you know, until the 60s, which is being attacked again. We need white women to stand up and realize that their place in the patriarchy is not suitable as an exchange for throwing all these other communities under the bus. and being able to be the woman who's in charge of the corporation that's kicking people out of their homes and poisoning the water and polluting the atmosphere, you're not winning.

1:09:51Angie Sullivan:How do you think Kristi Noem's doing learning this lesson right now? I don't think about that, bitch. I don't know. I think that she did she just step down or get fired? I believe she was fired and then placed in charge of the shield or something. Yeah. And then her husband, who I call Big Titty Brian. Titty Titty Titty Tateysha. Big Titty Brian. So he said to his dominatrix. I saw the, I listened to the recording. Yeah, he wanted to be a trans bimbo slut named Crystal. And here's the thing. He wants to be his wife. I would.

1:10:41That's what it sounds like.

1:10:42Angie Sullivan:Does. And here's the thing. I mean, big titty Brian. I, you know, I, I could feel badly that he's not able to express himself or be who he wants to be. But when you're a part, when you're married to a woman that shot a dog, number one, and then that's before we even get to the goat. You know, she killed a goat too. She shot the goat. Why? Because she's a psychopath. What did she do? Did she shoot it because she was hunting and going to eat the goat? No, I think she was mad at the goat and shot it. Why are there goats around? Okay. It's just MAGA shit. Or get away from animals. Like, what are you doing?

1:11:21Angie Sullivan:It's just MAGA shit. Okay. Had it or hit it. Billionaire bedwetters. What I mean by this is you've got Ken Griffin, who owns a$150 million apartment at Central Park South. Zoran was like, hey, Ken Griffin, you need to pay pied-a-terre tax. Ken Griffin goes on TV, wets the bed. Jeff Bezos recently went on TV. He said he thought Trump was, what did he say, more mature? What did he say, you guys? More mature and more level-headed or something. Than what? Than Trump 1.0. Goodbye. I have to go. Is it time to go? Yeah. Yeah, and then he said he was tired of billionaires getting villainized. So I call this billionaire bedwetting, where these men have bank accounts that could choke a bull, and they get on television and act like they're the victim.

1:12:12Angie Sullivan:So had it or had it, billionaire bedwetters. Absolutely had it. I can't with billionaires, let alone if they're wetting the bed. I don't want billionaires to do anything. But I don't want somebody, I don't want to be with somebody who only has$50 who's wet the bed. And so I don't want to be with somebody who, and it's not because they only have$50, it's because they're wetting the bed. So no, and if you have a bedwetting situation, that's a health issue, then that's your own thing. But listen, you billionaires, we can't talk to billionaires because they're not going to listen. They're so self-centered.

1:12:43And I do think that there's something about being a billionaire that puts you out of touch with being a human being. Yeah, it just does. And the fact that we're hearing so many of these billionaires and Peter Thiel and Andreessen and just like, not Andreessen. Who's the guy who is behind, he's a tech guy who wanted to be like the tech feudalist. Yarvin. Yarvin, Curtis Yarvin. Curtis Yarvin, yeah. When you read the musings of these people, it's out of control. And it doesn't seem like it's aligned with anybody who wants to do anything good for people or humanity. and there's there has to be there has to be a line where people are saying listen look y 'all I know you feel like you're a capitalist but you're not you're a laborer you are a worker if you're listening in this podcast you are a worker you are working class I don't care how much money you have in your bank account if you don't have a private jet and you don't already have a bunker yeah today you are not a capitalist and you you're obviously not a billionaire and everything we do is geared towards coddling these people.

1:13:45Yes. And all they do is wet the bed. And caring about their feelings. I've had it with them, darling. Let's say, fuck them. You have enough money. You're on your own. Let's focus on people. Let's do what this, at least with this country and like the call to humanity says that it's supposed to do is take care of people.

1:14:02Angie Sullivan:All right. Had it or hit it. New York City pride. Absolutely hit it, honey. I am so excited about pride. Tell my audience audience, what's going to happen at Pride? Oh my gosh, it's going to be fun. You are the... I'm one of the Grand Marshals for Pride this year. I'm so honored. So I've been involved in the Pride Parade and Pride March for years. It's always, it's a gas, darling. It's always so much fun. But this year, considering where the attacks on the trans community, considering where we are in this world, the fact that the New York State Pride Committee has named the theme is For All of Us, which was something that should resonate with everybody, but it's something inspired by Marsha P.

1:14:48Johnson, trans woman who was key and instrumental in the modern sort of gay rights, LGBT rights movement back from Stonewall. And so knowing that we have her as inspiration really feels good for me to be able to step in to those shoes and sort of pick up and carry the torch where she left off. And so if you're going to be in NYC, Pride Month, everybody knows it's June. New York City Pride is the end of the month, famously, you know, now 55 years, I think, after the Stonewall uprising in the heart of New York City Greenwich Village, where police officers were, you know, attacking the LGBT community, raiding a gay bar and then also focusing and targeting trans sex workers and people who were on the street who didn't have all the money and the protection that they would normally have.

1:15:43So 50 something years later, here we are. We're going to be marching for pride. We're going to be marching to tell people that we're out and proud. We're not going anywhere, but we're also ready for the fight.

1:15:53Angie Sullivan:What do you think about our mayor? I absolutely love the job that he's doing. How I feel about him on the side, I love him. I think he's great. But I don't want to psych myself into being like, it's just him. It's just him. He could mess up one day and then we'll hold him accountable. What I love is his ability to want to be held accountable, the way that he is operating in what feels to be a very transparent manner. And he came in the door principled. And that we have that, I know that the city and the people in the city are going to be so, so much better off. And I see people online all the time saying, oh, well, the billionaires are going to leave and everybody's going to move and I'm like, honey, let them move.

1:16:38Billionaires have more than one house. Yeah. If I had six houses, I wouldn't care what was going on in one of them. I'd go to another one. Let them go to another city and not pay taxes. Yeah. Let them go to another city and not have to worry about like how they're damaging the local economy. Let's focus on the people who only have one place to live and go to work, sometimes the two or three jobs to try to stay in the city. Let's focus on those people and the services and the quality of life that those people have. Everybody that's online saying, well, the family are going to leave are in wherever they are, not New York City.

1:17:14And I know that if you ask them, would you want to move to New York City? The first thing I'll say is no, I would never move to that place because of the quality of life so bad. Why is the quality of life so bad? Sorry, I mean to scare you.

1:17:28Why is the quality of life so bad? Because people can't afford where they live, because the services are so bad, because the things are failing. And now, because we have a mayor, a former mayor in Adams, who left us with$12 billion in debt, of course the services are going to be bad. Of course the quality of life is going to go down. So now we have somebody who's helping to slow that down and fight against it. And so I think the work that he's doing, he gets an A for me right now, and I'm always going to keep watching. And I'm so happy that he instituted and implemented the mayor's office for LGBTQ plus affairs.

1:18:00And I'm excited to see what work they do.

1:18:02Angie Sullivan:Yeah. I've really enjoyed the woke Sharia. I'm here for it, honey. Yes. Okay. I want to talk about now, you have Survival of the Thickest coming out on Netflix. Tell my listeners, Survival of the Thickest. Yeah. Tell me all about it. It's where it's a show headed up, inspired by the book by New York Times bestseller, I believe. Fuck the New York Times. By Michelle Buteau, who is such a wonderful person. Comedy. She's an all star in my book. She's super like inclusive in her thinking and her approach to everything. And if you like Sex and the City, I think you would like Survival of the Thickest.

1:18:47It's been on Netflix for now two years. We just left our second season and we're about to drop season three. It drops on July 2nd. And I'm super excited. Some great things in store. And last season, my character got married on the show. and that was a wonderful like titillation for me but Michelle says that she wanted to make sure that the trans community was seen in a way that we're not usually observed and not usually seen she wanted to show trans people being loved and adored and treated like everybody else who deserves to be loved and adored and treated and and that just it really made me feel so good and I love what we have in store for season three so people should tune in it's all going to drop on the same day.

1:19:32You can binge it in like a day.

1:19:35Angie Sullivan:And lastly, you and I met and became friends through our involvement with GLAAD. And you were on the board, correct, at GLAAD? Yes. I'm still on the board for one more year. It's my last year on the board, but it's been a great wild ride watching everything that's been happening outside. But yeah, GLAAD is a wonderful organization. They are at the front. Not only are they leaders in making sure that there's fair representation and accurate representation for the LGBT community in media. But now beyond that, because media and this nightmare of politics that we're in, they're able to track everything from the roles in LGBT, LGBT roles in film and television, but also making sure that people have fair representation in social media, which is a really important thing.

1:20:27They have their new initiative, the Common Ground Project, which I'm really excited about. Anybody wants to go to my social media, Peppermint247, they can click on the link for the Common Ground Project, which really is sort of a new approach to attacking all this anti-LGBT rhetoric that turns into bills and laws and policy and has real life implications. And so I'm proud of the work that GLAAD is doing and I'm happy that we've been able to team up.

1:20:54Angie Sullivan:I love it. Okay, Peppermint, thank you so much for coming to share your grievances. We did it. I want to have you on again already. Absolutely. Okay. All right. We'll see you all later.