The Great MAGA Break Up

29:13And by the way, Kevin McCarthy owns 100 % the resurrection of Donald Trump. And with that trip to Mar-a-Lago, that made the difference. And so the first four weeks, my colleagues were kind of like, you know, hey, yeah, maybe maybe we need to turn against this. I don't know. Somebody else has to lead it, but I'm willing to turn. And then the second Kevin went to Mar-a-Lago, everybody chose sides. And frankly, what, 90 percent of the Republican Party chose the side of Donald Trump because they knew he was coming back. And so the cost then at that point is like, look, we unfortunately in the last like 20 years of society, we start to get our identity from our politics, which is actually a stupid place to get identity from.

29:54But we all do it. And so now imagine being kicked out of that tribe, kind of losing that identity, in many cases losing your friends because a lot of my friends were, you know, Republicans. And it takes a real toll. But it also like helped me to kind of double down on this is the right thing to do. And then the question about how many of my colleagues believe, look, I think around the January 6th timeframe, probably 99 % of the Republicans in the House and in the Senate knew what January 6th was, knew that Donald Trump launched it. But over the last five years, a lot of them have been replaced.

30:32You have new people that have come along that have been believers in the first place. And then humans are really uniquely capable of convincing ourselves of anything. And I think in order to be able to look at yourself in the mirror, a lot of these men and women have convinced themselves that the January 6th was not what it was. And so I think now probably 50 to 70 percent probably of Republicans believe it was some deep state conspiracy or whatever. And it's sad. It's sad. I think history will be will reflect it correctly. But we're in a moment where I don't know, brains are a little unhinged.

31:05Do you think that the Republican Party that you were in when you were first in Congress, does that still exist or is it now the MAGA Party? No, it's gone. And, you know, the name of the film is The Last Republican. I think I didn't name it. Obviously, I'm just the subject, but I think it's an apt name because the party that I joined, you know, I became a Republican because I believe in America's role in the world. right strong national defense that party is gone i mean if you even look at okay let's say the initially the republican party claimed to be for smaller government there's nothing that what they're doing now is actually encroaching major governments i mean look at ice on the streets look at all this stuff uh they are you know internationally we back basically vladimir putin and not our friends in ukraine so that party that i knew is gone and i think what happened is kind of slowly from 19, you know, with the ability of being out and able to kind of look back and see things historically now, it started a little bit in 1994.

32:13He started to get this kind of crazy element of the party, obviously accelerated a little bit in 2010 with the Tea Party, but it really kind of a fire was lit with Donald Trump. And Donald Trump basically is uniquely shameless, and he allowed people to be uniquely shameless. And the party at that point, it's kind of like a boat that's like shifting in the waters and then it breaks free from its moorings and that's where the GOP is now. All right, let's peel off of politics for a moment to address your petty grievances, everyday grievances. And so what have you had it with, Mr. Kinzinger? You know, the very first thing is, okay, let's look, since we'll have to transition politically here is Marjorie Taylor Greene has not found Jesus.

32:55Okay. And I am, I've had it with people that are sitting around saying that Marjorie Taylor, wow, I agree with Marjorie Taylor Greene. What's going on? She has not found Jesus. She's a con artist. She always has been. She is playing everybody. And I don't know if she's going to end up saying like, hey, this was one big troll, ha ha ha, or if she's like, really think she's going to be president, but I've had it with that. That's one thing. I've been talking about this for a long time now, that she is a lot savvier than I thought. And you have not always lived in the Beltway or some blue city. You mentioned you had lived in Oklahoma.

33:30And the fact that she certain things that she's messaging right now, when you're on your algorithm, looking at all sorts of things, and then all of a sudden, Tucker Carlson pops up or Candace Owen pops up or Marjorie Taylor Greene pops up. And it's kind of out of sorts in your algorithm. But you hear somebody like Marjorie Taylor Greene say, we have given Benjamin Netanyahu a blank check. That is not America first. They have healthcare, we don't, and they get higher education and we don't. And then you flip and then you see some cat doing a trick in your next slide. That messaging right there will hit so fucking hard and fly over America.

34:12It is really, really smart messaging. What pisses me off about this is this is something that Hakeem Jeffries should make the epicenter of his party right now, The blank check to Benjamin Netanyahu really ties in if they really want to reach out. They're always trying to reach out to moderate voters. But the capitulation of Donald Trump to Russia, piling on that we just found out that Epstein was advising Russia on how to compromise Donald Trump. And the fact that Hakeem can't say this because he takes AIPAC money, it just becomes more and more and more obvious. So I have a question for you because you were in the Death Star, Death Star being Congress.

34:57Matt Gaetz, who's a total fucking nut, grifter, all of that. He said, and I don't know if this is true or not, but he said when he got into Congress that it's like, okay, you have to go on your big trip to Israel. And so he goes to Israel and he had an AIPAC person, a monitor. And then one time he just goes into his hotel room and the person was in there and he was like, this is weird. So I don't know if any of this is true or not, but I do see a link between the Democrats that take AIPAC money being controlled opposition, considering the AIPAC gave Donald Trump as much money as Elon Musk did to get him elected.

35:36And so it seems like that's a real conflict of interest. Like if Hakeem was taking donations from Elon, that would be a real problem. But AIPAC, not a problem. So after being it, tell us about this APAC connection with both Democrats and Republicans, because it is something that's really, really, really disseminating through the base right now in a very unfavorable way. Yeah. So of everything Matt says, it's typical with him, which is there's 30 percent truth to it. So the truth is, you know, yes, when you get elected, they do have big trips through. It's technically APAC. It's a different foundation because it's different money.

36:09and uh and they invite you don't have to go but they invite freshmen to come and you kind of get the tour of Israel and and so that's that is true and then when you get a you don't get a monitor from APEC you actually just get somebody that's kind of involved with APEC that is kind of like your touchstone so they'll try to reach out and call you and stuff like that now the difference to the the now in terms of somebody in this hotel room that's creepy I have no clue I've never had Anybody in my hotel room like that, I would have called the police. But in terms of the money side of it, so there may be aspects like with, I don't know, what you've seen with Donald Trump or leadership where AIPAC or people related to AIPAC give a ton of cash.

36:52And that would have to be through a super PAC because there are limits or whatever. when you look at other members of Congress, what AIPAC kind of does is basically says, we're going to give each member of Congress at support of Israel, whatever it is, 20 or$30 ,000 per election cycle. And they actually kind of go around to different donors to make that amount work. I've never seen any like standard kind of rank and file member of Congress get any more than like 25 to$30 ,000. Now there are some tight races where I think AIPAC comes in with an outside group and spends money. I've never had that.

37:26So I don't think that like when people say, oh, somebody gets a check from APEC for they're doing everything Israel wants. I don't necessarily buy that because I had to raise millions of dollars every cycle. And that had no, well, and just me personally, I've never made a decision based on any kind of fundraising. But I do think it's legit. I do think there is legitimate concern to say, what is the role of lobbying, particularly of, even though technically these are Americans that are doing the lobbying. What is the lobbying on behalf of a foreign government? What is the role of that in Congress?

38:00And should there be a role? And I think when you look at like, for instance, the Gaza situation, you know, Israel has a right to defend itself. But this has been two years of basically bombing inside of Gaza without a strategic endgame. I mean, what honestly Israel should have done was moved into Gaza and run a counter insurgency versus what they did a counterterrorism, where you end up just killing a bunch of people and creating a bunch of enemies. So I think those are legitimate questions. But I don't think, look, I personally am not one of these that believe there's some grand conspiracy through AIPAC.

38:31But I do think people have a affection to Israel that they're unwilling to call out Israel. That is wrong. As purveyors of foreign policy, we have to be willing to call balls and strikes. Question. One of your I've had it that was not politically related is one of my had it's too. And it's about selfies. So will you share that? Because I want to pile on with you. so listen the thing that annoys me is a self selfie okay like i get and by the way people can go through my history and i probably have self selfies out there okay so i'm not sinless okay but if you take a picture of yourself and there's no other reason to take that picture i'm over it i'm over it i get it five years ago fine um but now make sure there's another person in the picture with you or I might give credit if it's like a building that's cool in the background or something, but self selfies done no more.

39:27I completely agree. I've noticed that people that take selfies, I recently moved to New York and they're just like in the middle of the sidewalk, taking the selfie. They feel no shame and no embarrassment. It's like Moses, Mike grinder, Johnson standing up there saying, this is the most transparent president in history. he's incapable of feeling shame like they don't feel it they do not feel and the same with the selfie taker i mean there's a link it's like been um the dismantling of shame and we need to bring that back we need to bring back some components of cancel culture not it went too far but i want some of it back because we need to check people okay i want to talk to you about your your being the last Republican.

40:13And I want you to share about, because we grew up in a state where people were indoctrinated to be Republicans. It's a part of the culture. Reagan, we both, Pumps and I grew up in the eighties. It was Reagan and this trickle down economics and fiscal conservatism. And I've come to believe that Ronald Reagan, and things weren't so polarized back then, and this is through, you know, retrospection, that his critiques of the poor, demeaning people on food stamps, this kind of compassionate conservatism, where it's like, we love Jesus, but also get off your lazy ass, and the tax breaks and the lie that has been perpetrated for decades by Republicans of trickle-down economics.

41:01It has not worked. And you can look, I mean, this is just, it's proven because the wealth disparity is so much now that working class people cannot afford anything. And in 2016, I was a good MSNBC Democrat. I voted for Hillary. Okay. I regret that vote now because I see that this governing incrementally and favoring corporations is really not an admirable or the right thing to do. that Bernie Sanders' message has aged much better, and it would create a much better society for all of us. So where are you personally? Because I see somebody's political views need to evolve. They can't be rigid and fixed.

41:45You have to evolve politically, and I've evolved politically. And so I'm curious, your evolution from, I imagine what was probably a Reagan conservative, national security, fiscal conservatism, trickle down, you know, you know, conservative Supreme Court, yak, yak, blah, blah. Where are you personally now politically? It's a great question because I, you know, I have evolved and it's, I wouldn't say it's an evolving because I've sat back and I've changed my mind on things. It's because I actually think both theories are important at different times. So if you look at like when Reagan came along, I mean, tax rates were really high.

42:22There was a stagnant economy. When he cut taxes and injected capital, the economy picked up. That was a good thing. But the problem is when you have prolonged economic growth like that for that reason, then you get income disparity that results. And so then you have to find the right time to say, okay, that policy is put on ice for a little bit. And now we need to close this income gap because we're creating a lot of anger out there. The fact is we're creating a permanent billionaire and now trillionaire class with Elon Musk. And so I personally think that, and I don't know if it's every five years, every 10 years, if it's just like you monitor it, but I think both kind of theories of the economy have important roles at important times.

43:04That's why I've always believed that, like, frankly, a country needs a left movement and a right movement. It's like a tug and pull that I think works out in the long run. Now, I think we're in a moment where we're going to have to fix that income disparity. I think you have to do things with taxes to prevent, You know, billionaire families from passing on billionaire wealth and creating a permanent different income class. That probably includes higher taxes on inheritance, higher taxes, obviously, on income, those kinds of things. And we have got unfortunately, it's not going to happen in the next three years.

43:38But the next administration has got to get in and break up monopolies that are being built today. And right now you have a, you know, thankfully for independent media, you know, if not for this, there would be no other way. But if you look at the media conglomeration, it's all being consolidated under one man now. Elon Musk controls X. You know, that one man controlling the media might end up buying TikTok. Weirdly for about a tenth of its value, which is interesting. But you look at this billionaire class, and I think that's when it's time to look and say, okay, there is a place for, we'll call it Bernie Sanders economics, because this has gotten out of control.

44:17Like you can't have Reaganism permanently, and you can't have like Sandersism permanently, if that makes sense. Don't you think though that, and I'm not an economist, so I'm earnestly asking this, that if you look at the Scandinavian model, which is the inspiration for Bernie Sanders, that these societies value collectivism a lot more. In America, we value individualism. My tax break, my God, my country, my flack. And we really have normalized, and I believe it started with Reagan, demeaning fellow citizens, demeaning poor people. And he did it in a far classier, more polite way. But Trumpism just didn't happen all of a sudden.

45:02And And listen, I probably the Democrats just as much as I do the Republicans. But don't you think that just unregulated capitalism at any time puts the chum in the water and then we create these monsters and we need to think more about collectivism? I have these friends that are Parisian and now they live in the United States. But when they talk about France and they talk about that a woman gets a year off after she has a baby and that the father has a paternity leave and they talk about their health health care system. And, you know, the French are always on strike about labors. It's something they're super passionate about.

45:41You know, they really like the French government tried to raise the retirement age and they went bananas. I was there when they did. They went fucking bananas. They were in the streets going bananas, fighting collectively against this. And I feel like culturally we have just worshiped the rich guy i mean look at elon musk that motherfucker did a sig heil and is strung out on drugs is a deadbeat dad um whistle blew about properly about trump being you know cankles deep in the epstein files as we've we're all seeing right now and then he gets rewarded for it the same with trump he gets rewarded for this so we've created culturally by worshiping capitalism to a fault.

46:23And listen, I love capitalism. I like to shop really shallow when it comes to a lot of that stuff. I really am. It's a character defect, but I've learned that it's not sustainable for everybody that we have to come up with a system. I hear what you're saying about shifting back and forth, but I think when these millionaires get that chum in the water, they can't stop. It's like crack cocaine. So we have to, we have to combine some FDR, some Bernie Sanders stability to our country because the collateral damage is democracy. And that's just too precious of a thing to gamble. Yeah, I agree. And it used to be that Republicans would at least give lip service to, you know, they don't believe in unregulated capitalism either.

47:11I think that's changed and now they do, right? Well, no, actually it's interesting because yes, in a way they do, But also Donald Trump is taking 10 percent of every company now, which is actually command economy controlling. I mean, this is that's Chinese. That's China capitalism, which is interesting. It's this weird thing. But anyway, yeah, I agree with you. I mean, I think, look, I always have thought the role of government is to create a free and fair environment for competition. Right. So it's to say, OK, here's a capitalist thing. It needs to be free, but we also want to ensure that it's fair, which is why when I get into the fact that, you know, Elon Musk is worth a trillion dollars.

47:48Is that fair? Not really, because now he and his kids for infinity will have the ability to outcompete Americans, which is never what the founders intended. And they never intended, by the way, they always I'm sure they knew that a Donald Trump would come along. They basically wrote the Constitution to him. They never assumed a Congress would willingly give up its own power. That's kind of the surprise. But on top of that, they always like they knew that rich people would probably have a little more political influence, but I don't think they ever envisioned this, which is why I think things like campaign finance reform have to happen.

48:23Unfortunately, that takes constitutional amendment at this rate to do it. But yeah, I mean, I agree that when you talk about individualism and collectivism, obviously I bristle a little bit at the term collectivism. I like kind of like community, like community thinking, which is we are all in this thing together. I think we need to have a little more pride in that, a little more patriotism in that. And I think individualism in and of its heart is good, but when it turns into selfishness, it's not. And you see that right now. You see, like, here's the thing I can't understand. And this is what drives me nuts.

48:56And I've talked about this as much as I can. It's one thing to say we need to have border enforcement. And unfortunately, with a heavy heart, we need to have deportations. It's one thing to say that. It's another thing to put out X videos where you're dragging chains and you're calling it ASMR. And you're watching young people and parents and moms be ripped from their kids in the line to pick them up from school. And these giggling fucking masses of MAGA about it because they're being cruel. And the president of the United States, who's the most powerful man in the world, who against all odds won reelection, is sitting in his office obsessed with retribution, obsessed with punching down, obsessed with being a victim.

49:40Like that is just the weakest beta malist version of America I've ever seen. And in their mind, they think they're tough and strong. And that's why I think strength actually is the ability to put other people ahead of yourself, to punch up, not down, or even punch across and to fight for injustice, to fight injustice, not for it. I think that's real strength. And I think this party and I think history is going to, I honestly think in 10 years, there's not a soul that will ever admit they supported Donald Trump. And I think you can use the term Donald Trump and Benedict Arnold interchangeably. Listener, the hot book of the summer.

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53:42Go to shopify.com slash had it, shopify.com slash had it. Are you on his retribution list? Does he ever? You gotta be. I would figure. I would. Yeah. But you know, here's my thing. So it's weird. There's an interesting thing with Donald Trump, which is he's always kind of been in a way obsessed with me because I've never fully been in with him. And, and he's, I use the example of when you're a douchebag, kind of like high school kid and you ask a girl out on a dance and she says, no, you kind of want to go out with her more. Or if she says yes, you're like, oh, I don't really like her now. Right.

54:24Cause you're a little stupid high school kid. He's that way. So if you're not really in, he's obsessed with you. If you're all in, he'll throw you under the bus. But regardless, yeah, I'm on the retribution list. And here's my view on it, because there's literally nothing they can come after me for unless they want to come after me for doing my job. This is legit. And if they're listening, I'm saying it to you all again. Bring it. Bring it. I will crush you in court. And by the way, if you come after me, it'll make me three times more effective against you. Bring it. Come bring fake charges against me and see how that ends up for you.

54:58That's what I say. I do think what's so horrible right now is you have, I think that Kash Patel's FBI and the DOJ, Pam Bondi, and the pageant girl that's charging Comey, the only American lawyer ever that would actually take this case forward was her. And I do think they will cook the books. I do think this is a president who called Georgia and said, I need you to find me 11 ,000 votes. And after Charlie Kirk was murdered, I questioned the veracity of the text messages. And people were like, oh no, these are, and I'm like, we're still playing two separate games here. If you think Donald Trump isn't surrounded by pick me loyalists that would cook the books for him, you haven't been paying attention.

55:47And so as much as I, I love your, um, bring it, let's fight back. I am really worried that the, the, the people in the justice department that were good, that were nonpartisan, that were civil servants that weren't looking to be millionaires and billionaires that believed in the rule of law are leaving. I think federal judges once one just wrote an article in the Atlantic that was a Reagan appointee and i'm sure you've read it it's just very very very disturbing a conservative who's calling out this administration so i also am fearful for innocent brave americans like you that this administration will not totally make up and and charge you for bogus stuff because that's the type of that these people do and here's one final thing i want to get your opinion on before we play our world famous game, had it or hit it.

56:39Okay. So you come from the fiscal conservative background. And I know I'm so attuned to this culture growing up in Oklahoma City, because my hip friends would say, well, I'm fiscally conservative, but socially liberal, you know, so that they could have gay friends and whatever. So for the fiscal conservatives, When you erode the judiciary, you erode the economy because you have no court that you can take your contract in to enforce it. And so what is your message to your former fiscal conservative friends and country club Republicans, which are a huge voting bloc, that vote solely for their tax breaks?

57:23That's it. I know hundreds of people like this. And they're not just in red states. They're all over the place. What is your message about banking on fiscal conservative because, quote, Trump's good with the economy and then his actions with the court? Well, I mean, first off, let's just be clear. There's nothing fiscally conservative about Trump. I mean, honestly, if you look back at Joe Biden and Obama, they were more fiscally conservative than Donald Trump. I mean, I don't remember Joe Biden or Obama bailing out Argentina for 40 billion dollars. And I don't I don't remember him tariffing and taxing the American people as intensely as Trump is.

57:59And I don't remember a$300 million ballroom being built under either of those. So I think we have to dispel from the fact, and this is why I think I'm so aggressive about the fact that the GOP is the Republican in name only now. And if they've, you know, they have every right to change what they are, that's fine. Then I'm the last of the old, you know, Republicans. That's fine. They can be whatever they want to be, but they're not fiscally conservative. So I think that's first off. Secondly, just as a message to them, the thing I would say is the roots of Republicanism, if you think back to like Eisenhower and Lincoln and arguably Reagan or whoever, any Republican, the idea is we want a small government, but it's got to be there to protect people.

58:40You know, being able to litigate, for instance, any grievance in the court system, I think is it's not really a conservative or Republican value. It's just an American value because politics was created to prevent violence. And same with the court system. Right. It's the way you get justice. It's it's biblical. It's everything. And so that would be my argument is we have to preserve that the rule of law. But also, if you call yourself a fiscal conservative and you're going to vote for Trump because of that, you're just lying to yourself because there is nothing conservative about him. And by the way, Democrats hate me when I say this, so I'm going to say it anyway.

59:15The Democrats are the conservative party now. They're also the progressive party, but they are the conservative. I have been saying this for two months now. Watching Chuckles and Hakeem, I feel like I am watching conservatives that have ground to a screeching halt that are trying to preserve the status quo. And it goes back to what you and I share politically, the ability to evolve that we don't have fixed, rigid political views. I do about certain things about universal human rights. I'm very fixed on that. But about policies and messaging and strategy and what worked in the past, we have to be very open minded about it.

59:52And the Democratic establishment feels like a conservative party that wants to govern incrementally like a bunch of puss boys. And I fucking had it. Adam, I'm about to lose my mind with it. I scream it from the rooftops all the time. I understand. Now it's time for had it or hit it. Oh, my God. Welcome to had it or hit it. I would hit it. Had it. Had it. I hit it every day, sometimes twice a day. The first one. This is hilarious. as Kylie made this list, Trump's ballroom, AKA little Moses, Mike grinder Johnson. I've had it. That's an easy one. I've had it. Okay. Had it or hit it. The Epstein emails.

1:00:38Oh, hit it. Yeah. I like them. Yeah. I mean, I don't like them, but I like them. You know what I mean? This is, this is going to take him. I mean, it's not going to take him down. I've said this a hundred times. This is doing real damage to him though. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Do you think the evangelical base of the MAGA movement? I mean, I just I don't think they care about this. Pumps and I have the theory there's been so much sexual corruption in a lot of these mega churches. They're kind of primed for it. You know, the preacher's always playing grab ass with somebody and, you know, doing poppers at a gay bar and shit like this.

1:01:20Here's my thought is, by the way, there is a kind of small but rising version of evangelicalism that's voting Democratic and hates Trump. It's kind of on the ascendance. But, you know, yes, it's not the vast majority. I think, look, I think what it comes down to is for 30 years, they have programmed these people to believe that the enemy is the left. Right. Anybody with with literally blue hair or transgender or believes in higher taxation. That is the enemy. For 30 years, they've been programmed to believe that. And Donald Trump is the general that is fighting the person they hate. So they always use, and you guys, you know, you understand this because you probably heard people say it, the King David approach, right?

1:02:04Oh, he was flawed too, but God used him. Yeah, but King David repented in the Bible. This guy is not repentant at all. And so, yeah. And the other thing is to finally turn on Trump and be like, yeah, he's a child sex predator. You have to admit your role in defending him. That's right. For 10 years. And nobody's willing to do that. Nobody. That's a rewriting history. Yep. Yep. Now I will say though, there are very small groups of MAGA that are coming to the light. I interview a lot of these people and my message to your audiences, when you see somebody say, you know, I've had it with MAGA, I give up.

1:02:41Don't put a comment under there like, I told you, you should have known, F you. Instead, let's do what Donald Trump does really well, which is welcome people into the fold. As long as they know what they did was wrong, Donald Trump will forgive everybody. That's his superpower. We have to grow to 51 % or more if we want to beat these people. I agree with you. I mean, as much as I'm mad about triple Trumpers, I acknowledge from my life in Oklahoma City that indoctrination plays a huge part of this and the paralleling of spiritual warfare that the evangelical base has been accustomed to and indoctrinated to their whole entire life with Democrats or demons, Republicans or angels and people that live on the coast in the Beltway.

1:03:30They don't understand how real this is to a lot of evangelical Christians, particularly white Christians in the country. And that simple messaging like that, how effective it's been. And once they start to deconstruct and unravel, I know this because my co-host was one of these people. Right. You have to be there to help them in the same way that you would be if somebody was getting sober from drinking. You know, you have to support them. I mean, this is a cult in the deprogramming. It doesn't mean we're not still pissed. It doesn't mean we didn't think they were dumbasses or deplorable because they were.

1:04:07Those actions were those things. But at the same time, if we're the party of empathy, compassion, human rights, progress, advancement, then we have to be able to say, I get it. I know that sucked. I get it. Latino for Trump. I'm sorry you didn't read the large signs at the RNC that said mass deportations now. I get it. But we're going to take you in because I don't want you to be separated from your child. I want you to have health care. Yeah, correct. And if we want MAGA to burn out, it's ultimately going to burn out by people coming to the light and turning, not because people die out. They're going to turn and realize this was wrong.

1:04:44So we need to encourage that. And I think it's starting a little bit. I do, too. Okay. All right. Had it or hit it, establishment Democrats. Oh, I've had it. I've had it. Me, too. Yeah. I mean, like, it's just, again, you need energy. Like, I'm, you know, I'm an institutionalist. I want to preserve a lot of institutions. I think democracy is important, but bring the energy that I don't think they have. I think they're just too comfortable being in office right now. Okay. Had it or hit it, plane crash enthusiast. Oh my gosh, had it. Had it. Listen, I'm a pilot. Listen, I'm a pilot. And, you know, I flew 22 years for the Air Force.

1:05:23I have a plane. I still fly. I watch people every time there's a plane crash, give me their reasons for it. And they are always incorrect. Always. Or you have somebody that saw somebody that knows what they're talking about say a word. And so they say the word like they came up with it. like okay in the ups crash that's very tragic obviously we saw pretty quick that an engine fell off and then the number three engine the one on the right had compressor stall um i saw people that knew nothing about flying talking about the compressor stall on the number three engine only because they just saw somebody say compressor stall on the number three engine i'm done with airplane crash enthusiasts tired of it so what's the tom hanks maybe where he gets What's the name of that?

1:06:10No, is it Lost? Greyhound. Oh, Castaway. Castaway. Castaway. Oh. So are you a Castaway fan? Yeah, actually, I did like Castaway. That was pretty good. Yeah. I think it's pretty good considering it's just Tom Hanks and Wilson, the ball. I thought it was pretty good. Okay. But if he would have sat around wallowing about the crash and making theories about it, I probably wouldn't like the movie. Okay. All right. Had it or hit it, J.D. Vance 2028. You know, I'm mixed on this. I kind of want to say hit it because it would be fun to watch him go down in flames. I think J.D. Vance is totally unable. I don't think anybody's able to recreate Donald Trump.

1:06:49But I also am a little scared that maybe he'd run and win. But I'm still going to go with hit it. Do it. Run, J.D. Let's watch. I think he would crash out the same way that Ron Kittenhill DeSantis did. Yeah, totally. Totally. I think he would crash out the exact same way that they think they're the future. They're the heir apparent and they go in the riz. Like we just played a video earlier on our other podcast of him sitting down with RFK Jr. And it's it's painful. I almost would prefer watching DeSantis speak. Yeah. And that's really splitting hairs. That's how low the bar is. I mean, he just has no riz at all.

1:07:26He's just weird. He's weird. He's weird. It's like Stephen Miller's wife that threw the Jewish card out there immediately. And they were like, she was arguing with somebody. And they're like, yeah, you're a liar. Oh, that's an anti-Jewish trope. Like, wait, what? That's weird. J.D. Vance, same way. They're all victims, too. I'm just tired of the victims. Oh, God. And the connection, Pumps and I are really interested in the connection with J.D. Vance and Peter Thiel. and Peter Till is such a fascinating case study because on the one hand, he is, you know, this billionaire became, you know, naturalized citizen, wasn't born in America, which is fine.

1:08:05We welcome it. We're a nation of immigrants, but you know, he's an out of the closet homosexual, which good for him. I support that. He has children. I support gay people having children. It's a free country, but also his side hustle is he gives lectures on the Antichrist. And by the way, he's physically morphing into the Antichrist, too. He looks like a reptile. Dramatically changed. And then he, the whole thing with J.D. Vance, like, he's the one who started whistleblowing about Trump. He's Hitler. You know, he's all of these bad things. And the devolution of J.D. Vance as a human being that used to understand food stamps, understood addiction.

1:08:48he can't even fucking defend his wife and mixed race kids and he will defend this pedophile protector and more than likely probably pedophile in my opinion donald trump it's just fucking crazy in real time to watch the moral rot of these people in a very short period of time my wife is salvadorian by the way if she if i didn't defend her she would cut my head off Like, I don't understand that. Like if somebody goes after your wife, like your job as a husband, like your basic job is to actually murder anybody that goes after your wife. So I don't, I don't understand it. I just don't get it. Go ahead, Pubs.

1:09:31I was just gonna say Ted Cruz started making it okay to let people, you know, attack against your spouse, whether it's husband or wife. Yeah. Let me ask you this. Having a Salvadorian wife and you see the anti-immigration bigotry, very dangerous bigotry. Do you feel more outraged by that? I have a girl who works for my interior design project. She is Mexican-American. And I just see what she's going through right now and how and I believe all human rights are connected. Like anti-Semitism is no more important or deserves no more special treatment than anti-immigration bigotry. I see the biggest problem in the most 1930 parallels right now, the anti-immigration bigotry.

1:10:20And I just don't think it gets enough airtime because, again, a lot of the population has been primed or gaslit to dehumanize them. And it's really painful to watch what's happening in those communities and see the human rights of other people prioritized as a greater concern than what we all are seeing right now, exactly who ICE is targeting with an assist from the Supreme Court. Yeah, I mean, that's exactly what's happening. So like my wife was born an American citizen, but I know that if she's out separately and I'm out separately, it's more likely she's going to be questioned. Right. Because she has a little bit darker features than I do.

1:11:00And and I think that's obviously very untypical to what America is. And so that makes me mad. And I also think it's why you're seeing a lot of typically kind of conservative Hispanics switching back to the Democratic Party. the democrats are renting them at this moment they haven't like made the decision to go back to democrats so i think that's something to keep in mind but yeah and at the same time by the way we can't pretend anybody that says this is not race-based is just pure lying because at the same time we now want to open up immigration to south africaners and you know people from white nations because i guarantee you i'm german if the germans had a massive migration over to here now we probably would not be as upset as we are, we collectively, you know, of immigration from South and Central America.

1:11:49And so it's purely race-based. And I mean, that's obvious when you see this in ICE, right? Right. All right. Last one. How did or hit it the United States of America? I'm going to go with hit it. I am long optimist. I'm short pessimist, but long optimist. I think when we come through all this, we're going to be a freaking awesome country when we eradicate the cancer and we'll be stronger for it. So I'm going to go with hit it, but maybe hit it in a couple of years. Hopefully. I think that's a very, it's a very refreshing and real answer. And you know what strikes me about speaking to you is the liberation that in which you can speak, not being beholden to anything or talking points.

1:12:37And I think that this is something that MAGA kind of figured out before Democrats did. And I just think that this type of new media in the face of, like you said, these monopolies and the oligarchs and people being able to have conversations like this, you Republican, us Democrats that are really pissed off Democrats and the common ground is so important. But anyway, I just really enjoyed talking to you. Yeah, me too. I really hope Trump doesn't charge you just because I don't trust them to not cook the books. And hello to your wife and family. And thanks again. You can come back anytime. I really enjoyed it.

1:13:18I'd love to. Thanks, guys. Good being with you. Thanks, Adam. You bet. I'm so struck by the people that, like, he knows what he's talking about. He's been in Congress, obviously, political junkie. But when you're not beholden to any party platform or any corporate donors, just the liberation in which he spoke, it's just so refreshing. Yeah. And he's a good messenger because he was in the military. He understands why, you know, here's why I became a Republican. Here's where I am now. So I think he's a really good person to talk about these evolution of ideas with. Completely agree. All right. That's all we have.

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