The MAGA Maternity Grift

0:02Angie Sullivan:So are we supposed to start the podcast? Ready? One, two, three. Patriots, gay-triots, they-triots, black-triots, brown-triots, we love you. MAGA, all the MAGA freaks, all the triple-Trumpers can do what, Pumps? Fuck all! Pumps, what have you had it with? Okay, I've had it, and this might just be my ignorance. I mean, there's always that possibility, But I've had it. I've been watching a lot of this World Cup soccer coverage and they keep saying. I'm going to stop you right there. These are going to be banked for when I'm gone. And so I think won't the World Cup be over? Or if you can start it with say when I was watching.

0:50Angie Sullivan:OK, so it sounds like a week ago. OK, go ahead. Okay, so one thing I've noticed a lot when I'm watching sports coverage, they feel alive. I just, I feel alive. And I'm just like, is that a really good descriptor? Because aren't we all alive? Am I just nitpicking? But it feels like you should say, you know, I feel great, but I feel alive doesn't really, I don't think that's a good descriptor. So I've had it with that as conveying how someone feels. I just don't think it conveys much. So who says this? The sportscaster, the pundit? The sports pundit. Says they feel alive. The team, you can just tell they feel alive.

1:39Angie Sullivan:I'm like, well, don't we all feel alive? I think it's a nuance. I think it's like, of course, we're all alive. But I think it's like a nuance in feeling alive. Like you really are feeling the moment. It's like a turn of phrase. Okay. I don't think it's literal. I guess I'm taking it literally because I'm just like, well, of course. But I guess you're right. No shit. Like even I. You're an idiot. I think it's a turn of phrase. I think it's like, God, I felt so alive. I think it's like a turn of phrase, meaning like I felt like peak being alive. and it's a like when you see it's no different from when people say I show you something and it's you're like so flabbergasted but you go oh my god I'm dead yeah you're not literally dead and I do say that all the time I think that that's the opposite end of that okay so like I said I could be an asshole but it just kept striking me sometimes I think I feel more alive than I do other times I think it's like a like you know we have these mundane boring lives most of the time most like I'm sitting at a computer or researching for episodes or paying bills or walking from A to B.

2:52Angie Sullivan:It's, you know, it's pretty boring shit most of the time. And then you go to like a concert or you go to a sporting event and you experience this connectedness and the shared humanity. It's like, God, I feel alive because it's a more elevated sense of being than it was, you know, just going to pick up your dry cleaning maybe i'm just dead inside which is not off the table i would be right there with you we could make a huge argument for both of us okay i have had it with um the ladies of maga that uh preach breeding preach trad wife ism and meanwhile they have full-time jobs yeah and number two are married to the biggest trad wives on the planet let me give you a prime example usha vance usha podcaster breeder extraordinaire yeah um from immigrant parents has beautiful mixed-race children i've seen pictures of their kids they're quite darling she's married too and she talks about family and having a whole bunch of kids and stuff like that.

4:10She is married to a submissive prostitute

4:14Angie Sullivan:that wears eyeliner named smoky eye sociopath J.D. Vance. Second example here is Katie Miller. Katie Miller goes on and on about breeding and it's so addicting to hold a baby. Like, I mean, she literally acts like she is Dora, the fucking explorer that just discovered breeding. I mean, it's lost on her that there's like seven, eight billion people on the planet. And this has been going on for literal millions of years. But her husband is the most submissive freak show on the planet. It's not like Stephen Miller could put his name on the ballot and put his ideas out there and go run for office and get a vote or two.

5:00Angie Sullivan:I mean, Jesse Waters would vote for him. But beyond that, it wouldn't. And then if you look at like Riley Gaines, Riley Gaines talks about breeding and babies and traditional family. The same with Caroline Leavitt. Well, they all have these full-time jobs. And what gets me the most about Riley Gaines is the one thing that she cares so much about, trans people. She literally would have zero career without the existence of trans people. Zero. She brings nothing to the table other than her grievance that she tied for fifth place with a trans athlete. That's it. I mean, just imagine if she tied with a biological woman.

5:47She would not be all over Fox News. She would not be doing any of this. And here's another thing. She'd be a fifth place loser.

5:55Angie Sullivan:But in MAGA, you can lose and fail forward. Look at her dear leader. He has failed forward and lost more than any other person on planet Earth because daddy had a lot of money and he just kept failing forward. But all of these women, what's so interesting is they they don't see the hypocrisy or do you think that they do see the duplicity and they're just, well, I mean, it's good for me. I can do it. But then again, I'm so special and I'm chosen. at letting people off the hook. I think there's a lot of willful cruelty, willful denial, and I think there's a lot of intention. I'm not one of these believers where people play naivete or list excuses for the cruelty in which they engage as a reach around to get out of it.

6:51Angie Sullivan:I am a believer in personal accountability, and I think they know exactly what they're doing. And yes, they believe they are better. And yes, they believe they are special because they're bigots to their core. And this is a through line of bigots. And bigots oftentimes then try to claim ignorance or naivete. Oh, I didn't think I was a racist. No, I don't think I'm racist. Well, racist, of course they do. Of course they know they are. The actions of a lot of these people of the Trump administration are intentional. It's intentional moral rot. It's intentional collapse. And the people that I have known that have been acquaintances that are somewhat bigoted or white supremacists, they absolutely know they are and they enjoy it.

7:50Angie Sullivan:You can see the Pavlovian response when they're being cruel. You can see the brain lighting up like they're on some drug. You can see that they enjoy it. I mean, you can see, I'm sure if you hook them up to an MRI while they're being shitty to other people, it's hitting like cocaine in the brain. I've seen it. I've witnessed it my whole life being around. They like it. There's, there, there's a preference for this. Yeah. No, the judgmental part. I remember, I mean, just from my experience, like being shitty, like, especially in college being shitty, like I liked it. I got a charge off of it. So I have to agree with you on that.

8:30Yeah.

8:31Angie Sullivan:All right. Welcome. I've had it. I'm Jennifer. I'm Angie. Kylie. Hi. I have one review for you and they say, I unfortunately have to live with my idiot MAGA mom and her idiot MAGA boyfriend while I save for my own place. One of their batshit nutball conspiracy theorist YouTuber idiots was playing a clip of Jennifer telling MAGA to fuck off as I was listening to this episode. So I turned up the volume from the kitchen full blast as y 'all were going on about Big Titty Brian and MAGA not standing for shit. Oh, and my mom's idiot MAGA boyfriend is Mexican, yet he voted for Trump three times and supports ICE as a Mexican man.

9:16Wow. That's really, you know, it's everywhere. It really is. This is where you have to realize that there are broken and dysfunctional people everywhere.

9:30Angie Sullivan:And they can be women, they can be gay, they can be Mexican, they can be black. They can certainly, as we know, as we see on full display, white. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. The ringleaders of all of that, I think, are white people. and the dysfunctional people have all coalesced around power. And I think that we have to, as a people, like I want leaders that are smarter than me. I want leaders that are more patient than me. I want the biggest dork that's never made a fucking B in their lives that declined going to all of the raving parties that I went to and stayed out till 2 a.m.

10:19Angie Sullivan:dancing my ass off, cutting a rug on the dance floor. I went to people who said, no, I have a final exam tomorrow. I'm going to stay in and study tonight. And I was like, what a dork. And I want those people in charge of everything. I want to elevate expertise. and in in the brokenness that these people have whether it be from religious you know fissures or um you know inter you know probably a lot of it is always goes back to the family dynamic our parents screwed us up their parents screwed them up etc your mommy not loving you or your daddy not loving you they found a home in this dysfunction and my problem with MAGA is it gives a permission structure for people to cave to their worst impulses.

11:03Angie Sullivan:And that's a really bad thing for humanity. We need politicians that call on us to halt our worst impulses and pause and play the tape through and lean into our better impulses. And a prime example of this are the Obamas. Whether you, listener, if you're like a far leftist and you, you know, whatever, I'm not talking about their politics. I'm talking about them as examples of as human beings. Like when I hear Obama speak, he's mindful, he's thoughtful, he's tempered, he's measured. The same with Michelle Obama. These are incredible examples of how to model parenthood, how to model marriage, how to model friendship, and how to model being a human being.

11:45Angie Sullivan:And I think it's good for us to see that in motion. I agree. Right now, we just have the biggest freaks on the planet. my god i mean you got mexican people out there voting you know when mass deportations now and they're voting against their own interests the same with a lot of these white women white educated women 40 voted for trump and then uneducated white men they're going to end up dying you know or people they love are going to end up dying because of these policies yeah it's everywhere The voting against your own interest is a skill that I think the Republican and I'm not saying that Democrats have always delivered.

12:28I'm just saying you see it so much like women that will vote for someone that will take away their rights. Mexican people that will vote for someone that wants to deport them regardless of their legal status and or criminal history. It just it's over and over and over and over again. I find that to be a very interesting part of our lifetime. There's so many different parts that I think the history books will be thick on this, but I think that has to be one of them.

13:00Angie Sullivan:Yeah, I totally agree. But it's not new. It's not new that people vote against their best interests and fall prey to propaganda. And the Republican Party has been doing this for such a long time. And they have brilliantly weaponized culture war issues and family value stuff. If we had a true, robust Democratic Party with balls of steel right now, they would be ripping the shit out of them. Daily press conferences about what a hypocrite, what a submissive little housewife, and I do mean housewife, Speaker of the House, Moses Mike Grinder Johnson is. He is a submissive housewife. and the Democrats should get on TV and say it every single day.

13:42Angie Sullivan:They should just do reputational brand damage to these people. All right, let's get out of politics for a little bit and let's get to the meat and potatoes of this podcast. If you want more politics, please follow and subscribe to our other political podcast, iHip News. But right now, let's dive into a little bit of pop culture fuckery and the shit that makes us laugh. today's episode is sponsored by the ASPCA pet health insurance program all right listener I think you know how attached I am to my dogs and my oldest dog 11 year old Tevi recently was diagnosed with epilepsy and he has these seizures and I just worry about him so much and I want the last part of his life to be comfortable I don't want him to suffer which is why I don't want to be awake at 2 a.m.

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17:41Angie Sullivan:I didn't have to give up all my standards. Honestly, he's still a perfect partner. I've never had any reason to question anything in our relationship. So when I saw his diary entry, I was both surprised and hurt. I feel like it's natural to experience wandering eyes after being in a relationship for a while. But in the beginning, that feels like maybe he didn't feel as in love with me as I felt with him. What do I do? I want to bring it up to soothe my anxieties. But in order to have a conversation about his wondering eyes, I have to confess to reading his private journal. Do I keep it to myself and just hope that he's still not thinking about all of this?

18:26Angie Sullivan:Here's the deal. I don't think it's right to read the journal. I myself would have done a complete deep dive, copy, paste, flow charted this journal. Do I wish that I could say after all the therapy and evolution in my life that if I had a partner right now and saw their journal sitting there, I would love to say I will bet every single thing in my life that I love that I wouldn't read it. I probably would. I just would. But I would never, ever, ever, ever make the mistake of ever acting like I read it, of ever giving anybody a clue that I read it. Maybe, you know, subtly in different ways, but there's no fucking way that I would say, John, I just want you to know, I read your diary and I'm wondering why you had wondering eyes when I'm so in love with you.

19:20It's fucking over O-V-E-R the minute that word comes out of your mouth, in my opinion.

19:26Angie Sullivan:So you really think you would read it and then not whistleblow on yourself?

19:36Angie Sullivan:Based on all of our experience. I would absolutely read it. Right. I know that you're going to say I whistleblow on myself all the time. I know that's coming, but I would not whistleblow. Okay. I'm going to support you in that. I am. But I just want to remind you of our 25 plus year history of conducting investigations into either your husband or my husband. snooping our noses into places that we 100 % had no business snooping our nose into, but we would go do it again today if we had the opportunity. Right. And each and every time we conducted said investigations, within a matter of five to 10 minutes, you were whistleblowing.

20:16Okay. I just, I'm going to defend myself just to touch on that.

20:19Angie Sullivan:All right. You should. I, like, it was early on in the destruction of my life, in the careening mess of my life, that I asked about the bacon at IHOP when you said, don't do it, don't do it. I got better at it, not fast, but I did get better at not ratting myself out. So like you, I would for sure, as much as for sure, the younger Jennifer, a hundred percent would have read the journal. Now I would be tortured. At this stage, I think I would be kind of tortured if Josh had a journal sitting on the nightstand or in a drawer that I could easily access. I think it would take me a lot longer, but old habits die hard, old toxins die hard.

21:08Angie Sullivan:And I think ultimately I would go be a nosy little bitch and read the whole thing. I would like to think that I had enough chill to never admit it. But I think the great bargain I would make with myself is I would manipulate myself into something like this. You know, Josh, I saw it there for like two or three weeks and I was like, not going to read it, not going to read it, not going to read it. But then I thought you were acting kind of blah, blah, that maybe you'd relapse. I would do something messy, but then I would justify the whole thing by saying, I'm purging myself and I'm just coming clean.

21:44Angie Sullivan:I'm not going to make this worse. I'm just going to say, secrets keep me sick. And I'm not going to keep the secret anymore that I read your Bible and Bible, I read your journal. We don't even have a Bible. I don't know what I'm talking about. That I read your journal. And so I'm just going to I read it and I saw that you weren't that into me and I'm mad about it. I think I would just, that would, that would be the grand bargain that I would make, that I was going to just purge all the toxicity with the truth, and I would get to have the confrontation. I think that's great rationalization, because you thought something was up with you, and I felt it, that there was something up with you, and you have left me with no choice.

22:27But I do think it's easier to invade people's privacy when there's something fucked up going on. Like, in my case, marriage-wise, It was the only reasonable choice is to get into his personal business. But I think if you're in a super healthy relationship and everything's great, I think some people cannot read it. I really do. I think some people cannot read it. I'm not that person.

22:54Angie Sullivan:When Josh was in the throes of his addiction and gaslighting was ubiquitous and traumatizing and created a sense of disorientation as to how I oriented my reality, it was so harmful to my being and my serenity to be lied to. And anybody listening who has had an alcoholic or a drug addict in your life, you know how, what a mindfuck it is to have somebody just lying to you and telling you what you saw didn't happen or what you heard didn't happen. And it really is disorienting. And I resorted to being a full-blown private investigator because I wanted to find out what was true and what wasn't. I wanted to confirm that I was being lied to.

23:48Angie Sullivan:and he was toxic. I chose him, which exposes some of my toxicity in choosing somebody that was broken. And we had, you know, just, we went through a lot of problems. As I said, when this first came around, this subject today, Josh and I don't, if he, I genuinely, it would take something for me to think he's relapsed in order to read his journal. I agree with you. I don't know that you would dive right? I don't know that I would. I don't check in on him. We talk, you know, when he's in Oklahoma and I'm in New York where we're not together, we text in the morning, you know, good morning, have a great day, love you.

24:27Angie Sullivan:And then we do a FaceTime at night and that's it. I don't, I can track him on my phone. I never look to see where he is. And it's such a, my life when he was in the throes of his addiction was that, is he lying? What is he doing? Is he, is he going to come home? Is he buying drugs? Is he drinking? Is he just all of this static and these just felt so unstable and so exposed. And now I feel safe and secure and all of these things. But my safety and my security is different now than what I ever imagined it would be because it's not contingent upon Josh's sobriety anymore. When I was younger and weaker, it was.

25:11Angie Sullivan:It was completely contingent upon his sobriety. But I've evolved in such a way out of toxic thinking and codependent thinking and dysfunctional thinking and habits. I've evolved in such a way that now, as much as I would hate it if he relapsed, it's really, it's not going to affect my serenity. It's just, I've evolved to such a place that my healing from all of the trauma from his addiction is now truly complete because it's about me. And I have no control over any of that. And for many, many, many, many, many years of my life, I lived with this uneasy foundation that if he relapsed or he, you know, doctor shopped or did any of the things, that it would rock the very foundation that I stood on.

26:11Angie Sullivan:And that's a really miserable way to live. But here's the thing. It's so incredibly common, whether it's your husband's a gambling addict, a sex addict, a porn addict, alcoholic, a drug addict, or just completely toxic and broken. Relationships are really complicated and really broken, and there's no life training for them. You really have to give yourself on-the-job training when you're in the middle of these things. And, you know, then you got to go to therapy, and you got to go back and deal with little Jennifer, and then all this shit. And then finally you get to a place where, you know, the sun kind of sets on all of it.