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23:43Brandy McCarthy:And that conversation happens all over America. You're voting against your own rights and you're voting for a future where your daughter will be openly and legally abused and basically a hostage in her own home.

23:57J.J. McCarthy:Right. And it's already happening now. You see it everywhere. All these people that are like rah-rah trad wives and all that. I'm like, you don't understand how bad it was for women before they could get a divorce, before they could have their own money. You just don't understand. Before no-fault divorce. They're trying to take away no-fault divorce. All right. Next up.

24:17Brandy McCarthy:For the first time in history, repeated studies are suggesting that now the most misogynistic, outdated, regressive attitudes towards women and girls are the most common among the youngest. Based on her research, she says a teenage boy will have extreme misogynistic content served directly into his feed less than half an hour after setting up an account on social media. The reason for this is because of a really algorithmically facilitated form of mass radicalization that is happening to young men and boys. That's terrifying.

24:57J.J. McCarthy:That's absolutely terrifying because there's no way you can keep your kids from having the Internet. You know what I mean? They're acting like there is, but there really isn't. And that, you know, look at who's making the algorithms, of course. I mean, I think of like neutered Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, like these people are not have any intention of making sure there's integrity and those kind of things are kept from the Internet.

25:21Brandy McCarthy:And so in talking about what we can do, because long, once Trump is done, we still have major problems in this country. And as mothers, one of the biggest things I've done with my kids over the last five to six years, and I have one that's 19 and one that's 22, is ask them who they follow online. And I check and see who they are following online. And that is something that you need to check. You need to check your friends. You need to check your kids, especially like who are they following? And my oldest son followed Hassan Piker. and watched his Twitch streams. And he is a progressive, a real alpha male that stands up for women, that he himself is for the advancement of women and for the equality of women and for the equality of black and brown people and the LGBTQ plus community.

26:15Brandy McCarthy:And he has stood on that. And another one that my youngest son just turned me on to is a 20 year old content creator that My youngest son watches a lot. And this guy's name is Dean Withers. And Kylie has a clip of the work that he does. He goes live on TikTok, I believe, and he streams and he debates with MAGA people. And here is an example of the work that this guy, this 20 year old kid is doing right now. And I'm so proud of my son that this is who he has found to follow. All right, play the clip. Why did you vote for Trump?

26:49J.J. McCarthy:Well, I voted for Trump because I didn't really like the whole Biden administration because it presented weakness.

26:56Dean Withers:Okay, so what specifically about the Biden-Harris administration presented weakness?

27:00J.J. McCarthy:Well, just that, you know, they wanted to help everybody they could.

27:06Dean Withers:So you think, like, okay, are you a Christian? Yeah. Did Jesus want to help everybody that he could?

27:13J.J. McCarthy:Well, I don't really know if Jesus was actually alive. I can't prove that.

27:19Dean Withers:You just said that you were a Christian.

27:21J.J. McCarthy:Well, yeah, that's what I align with.

27:24Dean Withers:So if you're a Christian, that means that you believe Jesus was alive.

27:29J.J. McCarthy:Well, I believe in what I know for a fact.

27:33Dean Withers:So then you wouldn't be a Christian. Then I guess I wouldn't be a Christian. I'm so sorry. You're just racking my brain. I like this is hell for me.

27:46Brandy McCarthy:So he does these, you know, hours long where they come on and he I don't think he's necessarily trying to change their opinion as much as he is highlight the moral duplicity and the cognitive dissonance. Because maybe if you see it in another person, you're like, well, boy, that sounds crazy. This guy kind of owned them. It would start unlocking parts of your own moral duplicity and your own moral rot and maybe bring you back to a more – at the impetus of maybe some enlightenment towards being a better person, a more empathetic person, a more kind person. So at my son's request, we were able to get a hold of this Dean Withers.

28:28Brandy McCarthy:And that's one of the coolest things about the podcast is – Right. Like my son doesn't watch the podcast, but now he will be able to watch this one because he's a huge Dean Withers fan. And so I would like to welcome Dean Withers. He is a political content creator, 20 years old to I've Had It. Pumps and I need to share with everybody that we have written a book. It's called Life is a Lazy Susan of Shit Sandwiches. And believe it or not, Pumps and I have not always been so rock solid. and we talk about all of our trials, tribulations, most of all our fuck-ups. Yes, because fuck-ups are relatable and a part of the human experience.

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34:19Dean Withers:Hi, nice to meet you guys.

34:21Brandy McCarthy:Hi. Nice to meet you. You know, it was my son, my youngest son, who told me about you. And so he sent me some videos and I started watching it. And I thought, you know, this, I love this guy. And we have to build such a huge coalition, like a big tent coalition against fascism. And so I'm so excited that you could join us today. And most importantly, as a mother to a child your age, I'm forever grateful that you exist and that you are getting such huge numbers. I'm forever grateful that I raised my son well enough that he found you and he watches you instead of Andrew Tate or what's his name? Charlie Kirk.

35:02Brandy McCarthy:How are you today, Dean?

35:04Dean Withers:Well, you know, I'm doing pretty good. It's a nice morning out here in Colorado. And about your son. So every day I run a podcast where people can tune in and talk to me. And I typically talk to Trump supporters. But one day about a month ago, he actually came up and he said that he was excited to see me on his mom's podcast in around a month. So I actually got a small chance to meet and talk to your son. And that is really cool that he's been able to manage to go down the right path instead of the wrong path. And, you know, that's that's what I focus on is trying to provide some type of political outlet for younger Americans online that doesn't make you a raging misogynist, racist or condone fascist, fascist or fascism.

35:45Brandy McCarthy:I know. And why do you why do you think that there is this problem? And it's really heightened at people your age, that they are so radicalized so quickly to have such misogynistic views that you would think that like people my parents age or my grandparents would have. But we're seeing the most extreme radicalization at your age. What's your take on that, Dean?

36:07Dean Withers:Well, I think there's a lot of reasons why we see younger Americans, a lot of younger men as well, shifting farther to the right. I'd say that one reason we see this is because right now the right kind of dominates the culture in younger men. You know, maybe a lot of younger men like cars. Well, for whatever reason, liking cars is right coded. Same thing with going to the gym. For whatever reason, gym influencers online are right coded. And one thing that they have been good at is really ingraining themselves into that culture. and the left hasn't been as good at that in the last four or so years.

36:40Dean Withers:So maybe that's what has kind of opened up the gateway. But I mean, even building off of that, I would say one thing that people like Andrew Tate capitalize on is the idea that, well, a lot of the people on the left are evaluating systemic issues that impact this country and the people within it. And a lot of people on the left like to focus on marginalized communities because if we want equality, we need to focus on those that are disadvantaged. and get everybody to an even playing field. But then people like Andrew Tate have the takeaway, well, this just means that they're not focusing as much on young white men.

37:15Dean Withers:So then he sees that as a market opening, and he hops in there and he says, hey, for all these young men that feel forgotten by the left, I'm going to make you feel so self-important. In fact, I'm going to tell you that you're more important than everybody around you. And that's what has opened up the door in my mind to heightened levels of misogyny within young men in this country, at least one of the reasons.

37:41Brandy McCarthy:All right, Dean, we like to ask all of our guests what they've had it with. So now it's your turn. Dean Withers, what have you had it with?

37:49Dean Withers:Well, I think I sent you over a handful of things before we hopped on here. But there was one big one that I wasn't able to send over to you that I've really had it with. Is it okay if I bring that up or should I say it?

38:02Brandy McCarthy:Oh, let's hear it. Yeah.

38:03Dean Withers:Okay. Okay. I've really had it with coffee from coffee shops. And I know that sounds crazy, but I've just, I've had it. I've had it with coffee shops. Let me tell you, in the last six or seven months, I have gotten really into making coffee at home. And, you know, I've made the investment. I've bought my own espresso machine. I focused on where you get the best beans from in the process to get the best cup of coffee. And what I've realized is it is so easy to make a cup of coffee and a nice latte or a pull a shot of espresso that is better than anything that you will get from nine out of 10 coffee shops in your hometown.

38:44Dean Withers:Just by taking a little bit more time, you get a better cup of Joe. But whenever I go to these coffee shops that will charge me seven, eight dollars for the same thing, you know, it's rushed through and at the expense of like so much quality, it tastes worse. And I've had it. You know, that's one thing I've had it with.

39:05Brandy McCarthy:So you're a coffee supremacist.

39:07Dean Withers:I, well, I guess, you know, some may say, some may say, I, I, you know, I don't, I don't frown upon, you know, the coffee of others, but I do frown upon, you know, charging$7 to make a suboptimal cup of coffee with a really good espresso machine. Cause that's another thing. A lot of these coffee shops have great equipment, but they just don't use it in a way that produces the highest quality coffee.

39:34J.J. McCarthy:I'll tell you what else about the whole coffee shop thing. First of I'm not spending$8 on coffee, full stop. But putting it on the internet, if everybody's drinking coffee and everybody's buying coffee at stores, it's not newsworthy. It's not putting it on your social. That just drives me crazy. Dean, do you put your coffee on your social media feed?

39:53Dean Withers:I don't. I don't put it on my social media feed, but I've been considering it. It's been thought in the back of my head.

40:02Brandy McCarthy:It's incubating. You're making such supreme coffee. You're like, I might have to share how fantastic this is, but I can agree with you on this because coffee is, I really love coffee. I don't drink. And so like a really good pharmaceutical strength hit of coffee, like even thinking about it right now, I'm like Pavlov's dogs. Like my mouth can start salivating, thinking about a really strong espresso. Okay, let's move on to one of your other grievances, which happens to be my number one grievance. And these are megachurches.

40:33Dean Withers:Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I think megachurch pastors. Now, I've done a little bit of research. I haven't done enough to be able to sit here and philosophize about the intricacies of why these people suck. But from what I do know, megachurch pastors just on the surface level irk me. I'll be looking at people like Kenneth Copeland, I think his name is, who is worth, he might be a billionaire. I'm probably wrong if it's not a billionaire he's he's worth uh you know multiple hundreds of millions of dollars who will go out and make statements about how he's spending uh millions of dollars on a new private jet pulling from the donations to the church because he doesn't want to be in a tube in the sky with demons referring to everybody else than economy plus um and then he turns around and he'll go on stage either online or at his mega church and say how much you know, Jesus loves everybody and how he's a good person with good intentions and good goals to, you know, convert the world into one which is moral and going to heaven, but then acts completely different in private.

41:37Dean Withers:And I mean, you know, it just, it kind of shows me that it's, it's about the money. It's, it's about fostering people into a, a, a group of followers that is so devout and so loyal because they think that it's well-intentioned and inservience of their God. But in all reality, it's just a dark twist on pulling at people's desires to be part of a group to exploit them financially.

42:01Brandy McCarthy:And it's a religious industrial complex that operates in this country without taxes and is responsible for all the indoctrination that MAGA talks about that they think is going on in public schools. It is all happening in mega churches and they are trained and indoctrinated to not critically think. and the money that goes into this, like we have a mega church in Oklahoma, and now they have them all over the United States. It's called Life Church. And I looked on their website and they have, I think, 600 million just sitting, you know, just sitting in the bank. The pastor has a couple of private planes.

42:37Brandy McCarthy:He's a big MAGA guy. He's now going on tour with like Kaylee Ann McEnany and all of this stuff. And it is, to me, it is the biggest grift and it is so insidious to go into these communities in suburban America, rural America, and provide them with what they think is culture. And they have rock bands and the light shows. And then they're just indoctrinating them against critical thinking. And that's such a mindfuck when you tell a kid, when they think, wait a minute, did somebody really live to be 900 years old? Or did Noah get all those animals? No, you can't think that. You can't question that.

43:12Brandy McCarthy:That's the devil at work. To me, that is just such, it's abuse. I think it's child abuse. And I think we live in Oklahoma City, Dean. So we're in, Pumps was raised in this culture. I think it is the worst cancer in America. And I think it led a lot of these voters straight into MAGA, blind obedience. Let's face it. He's just like an evangelical preacher. He griffs, he has the hair, bullshit artist. I mean, it's, Trump is familiar to them because he's just like a evangelical megachurch pastor.

43:43Dean Withers:Right. You know, I think that this is a perfect opportunity to wrap in Trump. But, you know, first, I agree with everything you just said. You know, I myself grew up going to a private Catholic school. And, you know, I vividly remember being 12 or 13 and starting to have questions about, you know, what was being forced on me by my family, friends and school. And the answer was always, well, you can't ask that. And the moment you start asking these questions, you're looking for evidence instead of following with faith. And that's a mark of the devil, as you pointed out. And more so wrapping Trump into this, it is an industrial complex of hinging on people's anti-intellectualism, forcing them to follow a narrative and, you know, think with the hive, instead of galvanizing, you know, the importance of critical thought inside of us, you know, he will just turn around and lie, lie lie lie lie uh he will contort any narrative to his advantage no matter who suffers because of that um and i feel like that is one thing that he's done better than any other politician well you know that's that's served our country in my lifetime and he's done it um you know without without a care in the world and i mean this is now why we have people believing that the gop and as a whole are maybe truly tough on crime even though like somehow they're also supporting a 34 count felon that is part of violent offenders.

45:07Dean Withers:It's just because you'll tell them they hate crime or truly good for the economy. You know, it is the, we're, we're entering into the golden age of American prosperity, even though we're adding$4 trillion to our national debt and kicking 10 million people off of healthcare, you know, they don't want to talk about that. Um, and it all goes back to, uh, you know, the new dawn of anti-intellectualism, the acceptance of cult-like behaviors and the depiction of Trump very similarly to that of a God or a megachurch pastor.

45:35J.J. McCarthy:Yeah, it's really interesting to me. And we were talking about before you came on, your background, you were raised by conservative parents, Catholic school. I wasn't able to pull my head out of my ass until way later in life. A few years ago. Maybe a decade, probably started or whatever. So you're 20. How does this work? Because I was outside the scope of my parents. You know, I was no longer in that going every day doing what they were saying. You're living, I presume you were living in your parents' home through like high school. So how did that happen for you?

46:16Dean Withers:Well, that's a good question. I feel like I had a lot of bad influences that we've already kind of talked about and that you just repeated, but I also had some good influences. I had a friend throughout high school that was another guy kind of like me, but he held the polar opposite political beliefs. And he's also a really intelligent guy and really good at debating. He got me into debating too, so that's why I do what I do now. But I would talk to him and I would actually debate with him for so long. And we did this for months and for years intermittently kind of just for fun to explore truth.

46:50Dean Withers:And the more I talked to him, the more he was right and I was wrong. And then we had January 6 come around and that was kind of like the big moment for me where I was like, dude, we have a president that is sending fake slates of electorates into seven of our key swing states that he lost in the election. to try to rig the outcome of the vote. Like there's no way that anybody can support this. So that's when I redacted my support from Trump, but still kind of held on to those right-leaning social takes. But as time progressed, that trend continued. But then the big moment was going to college in CU Boulder.

47:25Dean Withers:I got really interested in philosophy. So I took an intro to philosophy course by this professor of the name of Michael Humer. Now, Michael Humer is libertarian, right wing. But inside of his classes, I learned the foundation of thinking critically, attempting to reason with the use of a quote unquote scientific method and exploring truth in a brand new way. And it is those virtues that I then took to the online coliseum of political debate and started exploring this with others and eventually reasoned myself to all the conclusions that I hold now.

48:05J.J. McCarthy:Yeah, it's crazy because when I was doing work with my therapist on religion, he was like, just go pick up some Freud, go pick, you know, different things. And when you really start reading it, I mean, obviously, when you have things like you're not supposed to critically think, I can't critically think. And then you start pulling yourself away from that. But when you start reading and researching and learning about religion, it kind of made me kind of like embarrassed. Maybe not to other people. I felt gullible. That's what it was. I mean, I was just like, you're not a dumb shit. I mean, you might be a dumb shit, but not total dumb shit.

48:44J.J. McCarthy:But you were indoctrinated. No, no, no. I know. But there was a part of me that felt very, very gullible more than betrayed. just felt because I think the people that were bringing me to it were earnest in their beliefs, but nobody ever critically thought. And I missed that boat for like 30 years.

49:05Dean Withers:Well, I think what you're describing is the inclination of humanity to want things to be true that will benefit them personally. And I mean, I think that's one big reason why so many people have been quote unquote gullible to so many faiths is because, you know, a faith gives you the representation of an idea that you don't actually die. You live forever. In fact, you're going to live in the best possible plane of existence, uh, created by a God that's all perfect, all knowing and all loving. Um, and you know, when we kind of, uh, compartment, compartmentalize that fact alongside other facts, such as the idea that when you're a Christian inside of a Christian community, your life is going to be significantly easier than if you were an atheist.

49:40Dean Withers:Uh, we see a perfect framing, sir. So, uh, for why so many people might be quote unquote gullible. But I mean, you know, I think at the end of the day, religion truly does benefit a lot of people. There's a lot of people that do it right. There's a lot of people that are able to guide their lives with their faith as a weapon of love instead, sorry, a symbol of love instead of a weapon of hate. But, you know, I just think the moment that they cross that line and go into that territory of saying that, you know, we now need to ban women and girls access to health care, because apparently the Bible says so, or guess what, now we're going to challenge the Supreme in court to overturn gay marriage, because I think the Bible says so, is when we get into a very dangerous territory where we really need to start promoting critical thought, where we really need to start hammering home about a separation between the church and the state.

50:28Dean Withers:And we probably need to retrospect and reflect on what led people into these positions of such faith and grandeur in the first place, kind of like we're doing right now.

50:37Brandy McCarthy:Yeah. And I think the one thing that particularly irritates me living in the Bible Belt about Christianity. And Catholics are not like this because you have to like go to school and pass a test to be a Catholic. You have to get confirmed and all of that. But evangelicals, the recruiting, oh my God, let me just tell you what I went through growing up. So my parents, atheists, all of my peers, Bible thumpers, tongue talkers, constantly told me I was going to go to hell, but I was never indoctrinated. And so whenever they would tell me about spiritual warfare and all this stuff, I wanted to be a part of their group because I was young.

51:13Brandy McCarthy:I was an impressionable teenager. So I'd go to their churches with them. And then I would leave and I'd go back home and I would tattle on myself to my mom. Like, hey, I went to church. These people are really screwed up. She's like, I told you. And then this lie that's told to a lot of Christian, particularly women in the South by evangelical Christians. And the lie is that if you pray and you're a good girl and you submit to your husband, everything's going to be fine. And that's why I think you have Pete Hegseth's pastor who recently did the alarming story on CNN that Pete Hegseth retweeted all of Christ all the time.

51:53Brandy McCarthy:They're coming after women like us. And so when I think about these MAGA men, we're talking about the manosphere and sexism. When I think about their growing list of people that they're scared of, it's really ridiculous. Like drag queens, trigger city. Trans kids wound up like cheap clocks, believe the lie that kids are going to school and getting their wieners whacked off. They believe that. They believe that kids are going to school taking shits and litter boxes. They're triggered by cat litter. They are triggered by flags, rainbow flags. They're triggered by Hispanic people, Asian people, black people, any form of an immigrant.

52:29Brandy McCarthy:They're triggered by people that speak English as a second language. And now they've added to their list, the liberal white woman, the liberal white woman, these alpha men are terrified of liberal white women. And I just think it's such a layup for Democrats and progressives, because this is such beta, and I'm not really into quantifying masculinity, but they are.

52:53J.J. McCarthy:That's what I was going to say. I've never even thought about it. I've just thought he's a pussy, little dick energy. But now I'm fixated on somebody that lifts up women, lifts up other people. And I think, okay, that's an alpha male. The people that are browbeating women and trans kids, those are fucking pussies. I agree. And they're just crying around. We can't be first at everything anymore. Shut the fuck up with your teeny weenie. Sorry. I feel like, I don't know. That just felt weird because you're so young and I'm old. I don't know. That just felt weird in front of you. And I say it every day on the podcast, but Dean, I just, I don't know.

53:32J.J. McCarthy:I feel very weird right now.

53:34Dean Withers:No, it's okay.

53:35Brandy McCarthy:We get really worked up over this because we feel like to be the opposition to this. Your generation, I appreciate so much because you don't want to harm anyone and you want to be inclusive of everyone. And I feel that too. But when it comes to the oppressors and when it comes to the bigots, I want to be able to say to them, fuck you. I think you're a piece of shit. I think you exude little dick energy. But the difference between you and me is I'm going to vote for you to not go bankrupt when you have that heart attack, that inevitable heart attack from all the fried food you're eating, you fat ass.

54:13Brandy McCarthy:That's what a Gen X or that's how I want the Democrats to fight them. You want me to suffer just because I'm a liberal white woman. And recently I went viral on something. And I received multiple, multiple DMs, emails, phone calls, wishing sexual violence on me. And that's the difference. I don't want these people to suffer, but I sure as fuck want to tell them what pieces of shit I think they are.

54:37Dean Withers:Well, I mean, I think if you ever tune into my podcast, you'll see something pretty similar. I mean, listen, outside of talking about politics, one big thing that I discuss in my live streams is misogyny. It's a patriarchy. and this typically would find its way into my live streams by talking to men on the right that think men are better at leading than women. And I have had so many of these conversations. And for those, some of the times it reduces down to the idea that men are superior to women. And there's something very interesting that you guys just brought up of the idea of the men that are out here thinking that men are superior to women.

55:18Dean Withers:We live in a male-centered world and it should be that way. men are better. No, that is like absolutely fucking beta. I mean, think about it. These people have such little self-respect, little self-dignity, a little self-worth that instead of, I don't know, going to therapy and working on it, they instead project their own issues onto those around them. And they'll say, hmm, if I decide that all the women around me are less valuable than I am, then I will be more valuable than 50 % of people alive, respectively. And I just think it's a cope. It's just a big cope. It's a way to feel more important.

55:57Dean Withers:And of course, you know, none of them are emotionally intelligent. None of them have a good head on their shoulders. So they're going to do it in the most harmful way possible. And I mean, it's that system and many others that have upheld, you know, these virtues for so long, and ensured that women didn't have the right to vote until the 1920s. Women didn't have the right to get a credit card without their husband's consent until the 1970s. And women didn't have the right to report rape inside of a marriage federally until the 1980s. So get pissed. I mean, it's important to get pissed. Shame them.

56:29Dean Withers:One thing that I can guarantee will absolutely be a tool of making our society better is public ostracization and shame. There's so many people out there that the critical thinking we've been talking about simply won't work on but social pressure always will so we socially pressure these idiots uh these these brainless uh heads who want to you want to come out here and tell us how invaluable women are and how everybody sucks except for rich white men um if we shame them then i think we'll eventually see generational change and move away from those

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1:01:10Brandy McCarthy:Okay, so Dean, you you spend a lot of time talking to MAGA people. And tell me, number one, the first part of my question, what is the common thread that you see, you know, over 90 % of maybe your callers or the people that you talk to that they have in common? And number two, do you think it is a cult?

1:01:33Dean Withers:So point number one, what's something that everybody has in common? Either being willfully ignorant, ignorant, or evil. That's the way I look at it. Willfully ignorant, misinformed, or evil. Those are the three traits that pretty much everybody I talked to has in common, you know, to start off with number one, willfully ignorant. You know, somebody can support Trump if they just simply don't know what he's doing and don't really care. Point number two, misinformed. Somebody could support Trump if they think that his policy is generating good outcomes because they're misinformed about the nuances of said policy, et cetera.

1:02:03Dean Withers:Or third, somebody will support Trump because they're willfully evil and they want a fascist to take over. That's something they all have in common. Yeah. And then in response to your second question, asking if MAGA is a cult, I think that there's a lot of people that support Trump that genuinely are good people that are just misinformed. I talk to a handful of people like that on my stream. We'll have people come up. They'll say, I support Trump. Then I'll start informing them on why they're wrong. And they'll be like, dang, dude, I've never thought about it this way. You're right. I no longer support them.

1:02:32Dean Withers:So I see that side. But there's even more people that truly are members of the cult, don't care and won't ever care. And I see that on my live even more. Something that I will frequently do is I will ask these Trump supporters if they hold any red lines against Donald Trump. Hypothetically, if Donald Trump did X, they would stop supporting him. And if it's not murder, Donald Trump's either done it or something close to it. And I could always turn it around back on them and then they'll still support him. A good example of this was yesterday. I was sitting on my live stream. I was talking to a Trump supporter and I asked them because they had brought up the fact that they care about child safety.

1:03:11Dean Withers:I asked them, would you still support Trump if he had openly boasted about perving on naked adult women and naked teenage girls in their changing rooms without their consent and then ogled at their naked bodies? And they said, no, I would stop supporting Trump right now if he did that. That's perverted. I couldn't. I couldn't. Well, then I'll play them the clip from Howard Stern's podcast in 2005 where Donald Trump did exactly that. I mean, it's crazy. If you haven't heard this, please go on YouTube and find it. You guys know what I'm talking about. And then I'll play them the clip and then I'll be like, okay, you're at a fork in the road.

1:03:46Dean Withers:Right before I played you this clip, you told me that you would stop supporting Trump if this is something he had done. And then I'll usually even get a little bit more into it and play their answer back because I have the ability to do that. And I'll say you're at a fork in the road. You could either be a man of your word and stop supporting him or prove to everybody watching that MAGA is a cult. And like four out of five people that I do this to will take that route of MAG as a cult. They won't even care what they said before I played the clip. They learn that this hypothetical red line is something Trump has actually done.

1:04:17Dean Withers:And then they go right into that mental dramatic mode of trying to find a way to defend it.

1:04:23Brandy McCarthy:All right, Dean, let me ask you this. Do you think the thesis sentence or the ethos of that cult, the number one prevailing value that they have over all others is owning the libs and never agreeing with the libs? From your experience talking to them.

1:04:41Dean Withers:That's one of the most common themes. That's one of the most common themes, absolutely.

1:04:45J.J. McCarthy:What about racism? I feel like that binds them pretty tight too.

1:04:49Dean Withers:Oh yeah, yeah, definitely. I talked to a bunch of very racist Trump supporters. There's a lot of them that will just intentionally mispronounce Kamala Harris's name to be an asshole. And then there's also a lot of Trump supporters that will come up on my live stream and talk about immigrants with me and mass deportation. And it always reduces down to something racist. I mean, so immigration is, you know, like the main topic I like to focus on. I like to study. I like to read about. And the facts just don't matter to these people. At the end of the day, you know, they will accept if mass deportation fucking destroyed this country and, you know, sent our economy into the blender and made everybody live in poverty with crying out the ass, as long as the undocumented immigrants were out, they're happy.

1:05:36Dean Withers:And, you know, I just there's no way that that doesn't reduce back to racism. And, you know, even sometimes they'll be like, OK, I'm pretty sure what you're telling me reduces down to racism. Feel free to prove me wrong by giving me a good reason to actually support the claim. And they don't. They can't.

1:05:50Brandy McCarthy:OK, Dean, now we're going to play a game that we play with all of our guests called Had It or Hit It. Oh, my God. Welcome to Had It or Hit It. I would hit it. Had it. Had it. I hit it every day, sometimes twice a day. Had it or hit it, FaceTime calls in public.

1:06:08Dean Withers:Oh, I've had it with that. Had it.

1:06:11Brandy McCarthy:People that do that sack.

1:06:13Dean Withers:Oh, wait. Had it means that's bad, right? Bad.

1:06:15Brandy McCarthy:Yeah.

1:06:16Dean Withers:Okay. Yeah. I've had it with that.

1:06:17Brandy McCarthy:Okay. Had it or hit it, autocorrect.

1:06:21Dean Withers:Oh, hit it. Oh, I love autocorrect. I can't spell at all. I love it. Yeah, I can't spell either.

1:06:26Brandy McCarthy:Okay. Had it or hit it, Charlie Kirk.

1:06:29Dean Withers:Oh, I've had it with Mr. Kirk big time.

1:06:32Brandy McCarthy:Is it true that he refuses to debate you?

1:06:35Dean Withers:It is true. Spill the tea. He explicitly refuses to debate me. There's quite a story here.

1:06:40Brandy McCarthy:Okay, spill it. Spill it. Tea.

1:06:42Dean Withers:So, you know, this is pretty hot. In fact, there's a lot about this that I haven't publicly spoken about, but I'll publicly speak about it now. Why not? Oh, yay. Let's go. Breaking news. So before the election, you know, I went on Jubilee and there was specifically an episode where Charlie Kirk was surrounded by 20 liberals, including me. And we all sat down. I debated him. It was fun. I think I've destroyed him. It was awesome. But anyways, after this episode, I was able to get a hold of the number of his manager. And after this Jubilee video aired, you know, and everybody was like, dang, you know, Dean Withers made a good point.

1:07:17Dean Withers:I reached out to his manager and I was like, hey, I would love to have a follow up debate and sit down with Charlie Kirk. Can we get this done? And he was like, well, let me ask Charlie. I'll get right back to you. He goes and he asks Charlie. Charlie's like, sure, I'll do another sit down debate with Dean Withers. His manager, Ryan, sends me back a message saying that. And I'm like, okay, let's schedule it. When are we going to do this? And he's like, right after the election, we're going to do this. Okay. The election passes. I reach back out to his manager. When is this happening? Left me on read.

1:07:48Dean Withers:Open the text, left it on read. Couple of months go by, I try again, same thing. Okay. Then I drop it. But then I end up going down to Texas A &M when Charlie Kirk was down there doing his sit down, prove me wrong. And, and I'd go down there because I really want to talk to him.

1:08:05Brandy McCarthy:Right.

1:08:05Dean Withers:So I, I get up to his, to his booth. I'm the first in line, you know, he'll, I think he said that, Oh, I cut in front of everybody. No, I was the first person there. Three hours early. He's mad.

1:08:15J.J. McCarthy:He cut, you cut, you cut her. What a titty baby. What a baby.

1:08:19Dean Withers:And then I bring the camera with me and I'm explicitly denied entry into the line to debate him. And he will say, his staffers will say, it's because Dean didn't go to the school. They were letting people in that didn't go to the school. People are coming on the mic explicitly saying that they didn't go to the school. Other influencers that were there with me that Charlie Kirk knew didn't go to the school got the chance to talk to him, but he didn't want to talk to me. And, you know, that's fine. He ran for me. There was a clip of Trump supporters in the crowd actually asking him to debate me and then him going, it's fine.

1:08:54Dean Withers:Whatever. He ran for me. Now, I ended up recording that. I posted it online and it got 50 million views across my social media.

1:09:02Brandy McCarthy:I love that.

1:09:04Dean Withers:Yeah. Charlie Kirk running. Charlie Kirk's a pussy.

1:09:07Brandy McCarthy:I love it.

1:09:08Dean Withers:And then one last part of the story here. After I posted these clips on my social media, Charlie Kirk's manager then reached out to me and said, hey, Kirk would love to have you sit down as a guest on his podcast and have a debate with you. I even got a call from his executive producer saying, let's get this done. Let's select a date. Let's select a time. This is going to be awesome. And after that, I then sent out a tweet saying Charlie Kirk has agreed to sit down. He stopped running. That was four months ago. I haven't heard a word or a peep from them since. I tried reaching back out. He just simply doesn't want to chat.

1:09:48J.J. McCarthy:No, because he's scared because he's a dipshit and you're not.

1:09:51Brandy McCarthy:And he is a puss boy. Here's the most important part about this listener. So whether you're in, you know, a Gen Z like Dean or millennial and you have children that you're raising or Gen Xers or whatever, we need to traffic all the kids and all of the youth that are interested in politics to Dean. The reason he doesn't want to sit down with you is he doesn't want to platform you because you will start taking some of his support because you spit facts, you reasonably think, and you're not an asshole. And you can be an asshole for good, but Charlie Kirk is a prick for bad just for the sake of being a prick, just for the sake of being a grifter.

1:10:30Brandy McCarthy:And he knows that if he has you on and he platforms you, that you will start stealing some of his base voluntarily. They will voluntarily go to you. so we have to do in this big tent that we're making we have to do we have to drive all traffic to dean withers i'm 100 in with you on this we have to shame charlie kirk kylie i need you to make this into a real right pussy charlie kirk is we need to get it going on i think he'd be humiliated well yes but of course he would be humiliated but he also knows a lot of those college students that watch him would kind of be like yeah you might i mean i just we need

1:11:09J.J. McCarthy:we need a debate between Charlie Kirk and Dean Withers. Charlie Kirk, why are you being a pissy? Why won't you debate Dean Withers? Charlie Kirk, what's the matter? He's like half your age, dude.

1:11:19Brandy McCarthy:Charlie Kirk, why are you such a titty baby? Cry, cry, cry. Oh, and then South Park really gave it to him, which was fantastic. Okay, let me just ask you. We're going long, but I think our listeners are really going to love you if you have time. Let me just ask you this.

1:11:31Dean Withers:Go ahead.

1:11:32Brandy McCarthy:Does he realize when he made the t-shirt that said Master Debater, Does he realize that he's owning himself for that? Or is he trying to go, look, I'm leaning into it? I mean, he got completely annihilated by South Park.

1:11:47Dean Withers:He made a shirt that said that? I didn't even know that. You're being stupid.

1:11:51Brandy McCarthy:No, Kylie, put it up on the screen. Charlie Kirk made a, Kylie will find it. He's selling merch that says master debater, right?

1:12:00Dean Withers:Oh, geez. Well, I think he's really trying to lean into it and like hopes that he won't look at that. Yeah, okay. Master debater. He's really trying to lean into it in hopes that people will be like – we'll look at him and they'll see this guy that's like, hey, I don't mind getting made fun of on South Park. I'm cool. I'm with it. Yippee. But like in all reality, I don't know. It's clear to me that he's trying too hard. That South Park episode was fucking hilarious. They did a wonderful job and he's just really trying to lean into it so that he doesn't look butthurt. And of course, he had to throw the grift in as the sprinkles on top.

1:12:36Dean Withers:I'm sure that t-shirt costs$45.

1:12:39Brandy McCarthy:Yeah. I think he's scared of being platform next to you because he knows a lot of women that he's trying to something. And then it's like, wait a minute, an MRS degree. Hold up a second. And what he's trying to present to the public could be easily disputed as evil and shameless and grifting bullshit by you in record time. I mean, he would invite you on for an hour. You would mop the floor with him in 45 seconds. He's that big of a dumbass dipshit. And I know it's not right to make fun of people's appearances, but the gums and the smile, it's just too much.

1:13:20J.J. McCarthy:Here's what happened. I didn't ever notice that before. Jennifer points it out to me. Now I can't see anything else. I'm just like, oh my gosh, he does. He looks like a cartoon character when he smiles.

1:13:33Dean Withers:If I could give my take on him real quick, you know, I think that Charlie Kirk isn't a dumbass. I think he's more insidious than a dumbass. I think that he is incredibly intelligent and he knows exactly what he's doing. You know, to deny that he's been able to build a very strong, well-founded and powerful machine on the right to pull the support of the youth would be denying reality. That's a fact. But in a sense, I feel like this is more insidious because Charlie Kirk, he will never go against MAGA. He will never go against Trump. And if you ask me, I feel like that's the reason why he won't debate me is because he knows that in some ways he's just flat out wrong.

1:14:14Dean Withers:And it would maybe take 30 seconds for me to detail this, but he will continue to hold to it and believe it anyways, because he's a shill for Trump and whatever he says, Charlie Kirk does. I have never seen Charlie Kirk go against the status quo of the right. Um, and in the minute ways that he has separated, um, it's usually in a way that is even further to the right, not further to the left. He's just a grifter for whatever Trump wants him to say or do. And that's just more insidious than being a dumbass in my mind.

1:14:48Brandy McCarthy:You know what? I completely agree with you. He isn't a dumbass. It is very insidious and he knows exactly what he's doing. And we would be remiss if we didn't point out that he was the big promoter of release the files, release the files, release the files. One could even say he was the alpha of releasing the files. But like any faux alpha would do, when Trump called him and said, hey, quit talking about this, he immediately said, like, immediately right now, do you want me to post? Go live? Okay, I will. And he immediately followed in line with it. And so I would think for these people that go that hard in the paint for Trump, they have to limit their exposure, like you said, because he has no conviction.

1:15:30Brandy McCarthy:So he can only speak to the cult and he can only speak to people who want to confirm their own bias and having you on there, even people that are listening to Charlie Kirk for the purposes of confirmation bias. It's, this isn't even really deep nuance thinking to say, so all it took was for Trump to call you and now you don't care about something and you could, you know, do the math on how many minutes he talked about it and how many posts he did about him is a very simple takedown. But oh my gosh, Dean Withers, I love having you on. I see why my son is a huge fan of yours. I want you to take over the youth airwaves from the Charlie Kirks of the world.

1:16:08Brandy McCarthy:We're big fans of yours. And I can't thank you enough for coming on because now my son will listen to my podcast.

1:16:13Dean Withers:Well, it was a pleasure to sit down with you both. I really enjoyed the last 15 minutes or so, and I appreciate the invite. And it was fun to get to chat. It was fun to get to chat.

1:16:23Brandy McCarthy:Thanks, Dean. Thanks, Dean. Bye-bye.

1:16:26Dean Withers:Of course. Have a good one. Bye-bye. don't you think his parents are really proud okay a hundred percent like how smart is he

1:16:32J.J. McCarthy:100 i but being that they're conservative i wonder if there's a torture there but no you'd have to be super proud if you're his parents and i'm just gonna i mean i know this is gonna shock people at 20 i was not that together not even a little bit i wasn't either i wasn't even close to being that pulled together. No. No. He is just, he's five stars. He's getting five stars from me. I love the tea, the Charlie Kirk tea. It surprised me zero that Charlie Kirk is a pussy.

1:17:03Brandy McCarthy:But I agree with Dean that Charlie, it's insidious that Charlie Kirk, we outwardly, we see a dipshit, but he's being a dipshit intentionally. He's intentionally dipshitting himself for the grift.

1:17:16J.J. McCarthy:Right. Well, and here's the deal too. And correct me if I'm wrong. I might have my MAGA influencers confused. He wasn't religious until he realized the Christian right was going for MAGA, and now he's religious?

1:17:28Brandy McCarthy:Yeah, I think that he, I believe that that's true, that he was trying, initially in his first foray into politics, he was like, he saw that the trends against religion, and he was kind of like, yeah, we don't need to be so Jesus-y and all for separation of church and state. But then he realized like everybody realizes, like MAGA, like Donald Trump realized, like Vladimir Putin has realized, like Benjamin Netanyahu has realized, the easiest people to manipulate are the brainwashed Christians. Those are the easiest ones to get the money from. That's why these mega churches, these pastors are so wealthy because the congregation is the easiest to manipulate, the easiest among us.

1:18:13Brandy McCarthy:There's no critical thinking. They just accept everything at face value. And cognitive dissonance is a way of life, for sure. All right, listen up. We went long today because Dean was cool and I honestly didn't realize we went long because it was such a good conversation. Please buy our book, Life is a Lazy Susan of Shit Sandwiches. The link is below in the show notes. Pumps tell them. We will see you next Tuesday and Thursday.

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