610 - Jaack’s Mysteries (Vanished Planes, Ghost Ships, & Chilling CCTV Footage)

32:46It was super, super special. I would have loved to see that. I know, I know. and you were just below the top 13 other potential friends I could have gone with. I'll tell you what though, Stevie, even though obviously my heart was broken because of the football result against Spain, knowing I got to go back to the comfort of the Airbnb made it that little bit easier for me. Well, we've got another tournament coming up next year, so surely this time you're going to take me. Well, I've kind of already pre-empted that we're going to be in the final, Stevie, and the Airbnb's booked and you're not coming.

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33:48Evening. Buyer's remorse. Buy a new car? I'll be moving in. Let's get started. Uh, sorry, I think there's been a mistake. I bought it from Carvana. You what? Yeah, great price. I even have seven days to love it or return it. So there's no... No, no buyer's remorse. More like buyer's rejoice? I guess I'll let myself out. Congratulations. I mean it. Buyer's rejoice. Buy your car today on Carvana. And now we move on to the disappearance of Ben Charles Padilla. Oh, in what year may we ask before we determine our reaction to that? How do you like 2003? Not much, no. Who has just disappeared? Ben Charles Padilla.

34:38How old? I will say now, I think you're allowed to have a little laugh at this one. Because it does seem, what I will say, it does seem that Ben's disappearance is at his own fault. Okay. Yeah, okay. You know what I mean? Well, no, we don't know what you mean. We'll see, though. No, if someone gets missing, but they were a bit silly about it. A bit silly? It's on you. Yeah. Tell his family that. What? Would you tell his family that? Well, let's find out. In 2003, at an airport in Luanda, Angola, a man named Ben Charles Padilla Jr. was working on an old Boeing 727. Ben was from Pensacola, Florida.

35:17He was an aircraft mechanic, a flight engineer, and a pilot of small planes. He was experienced, practical, and well-liked, but he wasn't qualified to fly a Boeing 727. That's a very different kind of machine. Still, he knew the aircraft well enough to supervise its repairs. The plane he was working on, tail number N844AA, had once belonged to American Airlines. It had been sold and moved to Africa where it sat for years unused. By 2003, it was in rough shape, stripped of its seats, converted to carry fuel instead of passengers and covered in dust. Ben had been hired to oversee work on the aircraft.

35:55The idea was to get it flying again so that it could be leased out for cargo operations, but the ownership of the plane was tangled up in debt and legal issues. The company that owned it reportedly owed fees to the airport and money to the workers maintaining it. Things were tense and people on the ground said that there are arguments over pay. On the evening of May 25th 2003, the aircraft suddenly began to move. Without clearance from the air traffic control, the 727 started taxiing down the runway. All of its lights were off and the radio was silent. Airport staff watched in confusion as it gathered speed.

36:34No one knows who exactly was inside the plane. Witnesses later said that they saw two men on board, believed to be Ben Padilla and a Congolese helper named John Mikhail Mutantu. Some say Padilla had gone on board earlier that day to work on an engine and Matantu had followed him. The aircraft rolled down the runway, lifted off and took to the sky, climbing out over the Atlantic Ocean and then it was gone. No distress signal, no radar contact, no radio. The plane simply disappeared into the evening haze. It wasn't picked up on radar in any nearby country, no crash site was ever found, the ocean was searched and so were remote parts of southern Africa but there was nothing, not a single piece of debris.

37:18The US government took notice almost immediately and missing Boeing 727 was a serious matter, especially in 2003, less than two years after 9-11. The FBI, the CIA and aviation authorities all investigated, but there were no clear answers. No one filed a flight plan, no one requested clearance, the planes transpondered, the device that identifies an aircraft on radar had been turned off. It had enough fuel to fly about 1500 miles, which would have taken it deep into Central Africa or out into the open Atlantic. Over time, several theories emerged, but I'll hear what you think first. He's just randomly decided to...

37:59He could have gone, I'm fed up with life. And his mate's gone, I'm fed up with life too. Let's just get a Boeing phone and fly into the sea. Do you reckon? Yeah, that's like that other guy, isn't it? Sky King? Yeah. Was he called Sky King, that guy? We spoke about it on here before, didn't we? Yeah, that's what I thought this was going to be when you were starting telling it. I didn't... He just repairs planes, yeah? Who, Ben? Yeah. so the fact that he can fly it he's flown it well by the sound of things it sounds like it actually took off and just did everything there's a lot of buttons on a plane oh so many do you reckon?

38:31yeah he would wouldn't he I don't know my friend does repairs planes but I don't think he can fly them maybe he's not as good as this maybe that's what happens I don't reckon you can fly this plane hello you know Sky King yeah because after we spoke about him on the pod a few years ago I went back and watched him yeah it's like he doesn't get called out does he like he's isn't he like a lot of people say he's a bit of a icon yeah is that right what do you do he just gets the plane just flies off yeah he was just depressed and he just wanted to just fly he worked at the airport I think he knew he was never gonna land it either he went into that knowing that was that was kind of his line but couldn't he have put a lot of people at risk doing that though.

39:18I guess he was confident enough to fly it and he flew it in a way that he knew he wasn't going to hurt anyone. But yeah, he definitely could have. Yeah. But he didn't. I think he's probably not in the right state of mind if he's killing yourself anyway, isn't he? I think because everyone knows about him after the fact, no one can go, he could have hurt someone because he just didn't. Right. Obviously, it's a different story of something bad. You can hear the recording, can't you? Yeah. The radio. He sounds so happy as well. Yeah, he does. He's just like, yeah, I'm off. See you later. But yeah.

39:44Like King Out. Yeah. But yeah, anyway. Or alternative for this guy. Yeah. He is some kind of spy type thing. He's been got out by government and they've got... Nick is a plane mate. And he's gone and just flown off to another place. You're not a million miles away again, Robbie Knox. That's why the CIA and everyone haven't said anything. Because they've gone, well, we want to... Oh, sorry, we can't find him. He's with us. Have you got any theories of your own or do you want to just keep stealing Daddy Knox's? I'm still on the idea that he couldn't actually fly it and his mates done it as a bet so you think Donna's bet in pub not in pub in plane they were in the plane and he went I bet you can't fly this well yeah now he's just gone I'll do it now and this guy's in the toilet I go what are you doing what he's going to the toilet on the plane he's going I'm just going to have a piss there's no way if I can fly this he goes right he comes out I go what's going on you're in the sky mate that's exactly my Can you land it?

40:45No! It's like when you go on a plane and you see the pilot taking a piss. It's mad, isn't it? Why are you watching a pilot take a piss on a plane? Did he not shut the door? When you're on a plane, the pilot just walks out. You're like, what the fuck? Have you never seen that? Business class. There's more than one pilot, though, isn't there? There's a co-pilot. And autopilot's pretty cool, how it just flies in a straight line. Ah. I still think someone needs to be in the room yeah because what if another plane comes in what if you get locked out by mistake if there's no one flying you're like ah but then also everyone in the that'd be the worst you're trying to get back in and everyone will realise in the plane they're like you fucking dickhead mate we're all going to die and your last bit of dying would be people just shouting at you but then do you think if you knew you were going to die would you use energy to slag off the person that was making you die or would you just cry I reckon a lot of people would be going what the fuck are you doing get that door open now you cunt We are at a point now with planes where The majority of the flight they don't have to do much Aren't we But you've done flight simulator Don't you just click autopilot for a lot of it Have I done flight simulator?

41:51You feel like you've done flight simulator Famously I'm always doing flight simulator What the fuck are you talking about? I've never played it You play games like that don't you You're always on flight simulator mate What have you not? What do you do train simulator or some shit yeah well Transport Fever 2 okay it's nothing like that no it's nothing like that can I just say by the way Transport Fever 3 is very close to coming out oh you won't see much from that maybe it was like Chris Stark or someone on a pod like saying they'll play it but they'll do it like a full flight real time and then but like once they've taken off and stuff they can just hit autopilot and kind of sit and watch the on-flight film they'll put on like find a name and say that but I'm pretty sure planes can do that now where if it's just a straight line, they only need to take over when, like Tesla's can do it now.

42:42They've managed to do that in flights as well. Less traffic. I'm mates with a big flight simulator content creator. Are you? Yeah, I went into his live. Is it me? No. I didn't know there was a big flight simulator. Well, it's just Kearley does on TikTok and I went into his stream once. I used to do this thing. I've not done it for a long time, so I can't be called out on it. But I used to troll people on TikTok live. What would you do? Why? What? Why? I'd just go in and I'd just say like, if you answer me this question right within 10 seconds without Googling, you win£50. That's not a troll, is it?

43:16But whenever they said the answer, I'd be like fairly easy and I'd just say you got it wrong. It's a troll. What is wrong with you? Why? Like, you said it last step, didn't you? Like, it just must be like hard to hang out with Jack. Yeah. Like you sat at home doing this. On paper, your life is loads better than it is. do you know what I mean like the thing I was watching it's probably a movie premiere or something now he's sitting there trolling kids on TikTok Live and also he's gone oh I've done it years ago TikTok Live's not even been around that long honestly it was two years ago min min two years oh that's alright you're only 30

43:55you've grown up since I went in I see this kid and he's probably about 16 and he's in this no he's probably about 20 he's made him up making him older so he don't sound bad alright he's only 25 he's in his big like flight in his school uniform he's he's in all the gear right yeah like the flight simulator stuff and he's hold on what's all the gear like pilot gear yeah he's wearing he's wearing all that he's got oh i respect that yeah he's got like multiple screens he looks like he's in an egg big egg like gaming computer yeah and then i went in then i said um i said something along the lines of um uh name me like one airport in the uk for 50 quid like that and if you can correctly name me an airport you win the 50 pound and um instead of answering it he was just really buzzing that i was in there he's got is that the real gut real jam i love you i love the pod like that and then like you're in your pants at home i'm gonna wind up this kid so because of that i feel really bad yeah then he went oh my god and then he's like oh he's verified yes a real guy and he's got okay okay right let me name an airport let me name an airport and then he went um loot an airport or something because it's easy and i was gonna my retort was gonna be that's wrong like it's not in the uk but i felt so bad that i was like you have to give him 50 quid what's your paper like give him 50 quid and then he was like can you follow me and i followed him and then every then every now and then when i get bored i just pop in and watch it and we just started chatting and now i watch the content on tiktok yeah one of he's on twitch he probably is he probably jewels it probably jewels it but um so do you want to know some of the theories because i know robbie you said that it was stolen didn't you i said i didn't say for sure i said maybe it's stolen maybe he's defected off to a yeah another country some believe it had been stolen for illegal use perhaps for smuggling or black market transport the aircraft's cargo modifications made it ideal for carrying fuel or contraband.

45:55Others thought it might have crashed into a remote area, somewhere with no radar coverage, where wreckage would be completely impossible to find. Other theories suggested that Padilla and Mutantu had had a bet whilst in the plane. You're taking them first. Fuck off. Had been forced to take off, perhaps at gunpoint. There were stories that the airport was chaotic with unpaid workers and security guards demanding money. And then there's the possibility that Padilla himself tried to move the plane, perhaps to settle a dispute or to reposition it without permission, and that something went horribly wrong.

46:29He wasn't trained to fly a 727. That's what I'm saying. You can't go horribly wrong and manage to get it off. Yeah, I think, yeah. Horribly wrong is crashing it. Yeah. It's not successfully taking off smoothly. Yeah. Well, more than 20 years later, the disappearance of the N844AA remains one of aviation's greatest unsolved mysteries, a full-size jetliner. 153 feet long simply lifted off and was never seen again. We've got two more mysteries, boys. Did they ever figure out what happened with that flight from a few years ago? Yeah, the black box one. That's my car. Malaysia. M8. That was huge. They did find the bits and bobs after a while, yeah.

47:13Bits and bobs. Bits and bobs. In the smashed up plane. Is that what you mean? Well, they're going, oh, look, don't worry, bits and bobs are over there. Oh, they found some of the bits and some of the bobs. Right, the next two happened within the last 20 years. I think you might know about this one. I will say this one's probably a little bit sad. A little bit sad. I suppose the other one is where people have died. Well, one is just some guy robbing a plane. The other one's a boat. The other one was seven people getting brutally murdered in the forest. this is the vanishing of rendon i've said the name wrong and that is disrespectful so i will just redo that this one is the vanishing of brandon swanson you ever heard of it i don't recognize the name i thought maybe i had a little memory of you saying this on the pod once in the early morning of may 14th 2008 in rural pennsylvania scotland minnesota delaware oh you've already said it.

48:14You're not a million miles away again. I don't know. A 19-year-old college student named Brandon Swanson is driving home after a small celebration with friends. The school year has just ended and he's visiting his parents the next day. He's been at a gathering in a nearby town. Nothing wild, just a few friends, some talk and a little bit of drinking. Nothing wild for him though. I bet he's going to party. Yeah, it does seem like a little bit of drinking. Whenever I've lost the plot, I just had a little bit of drinking. Had a couple of pints last night? to complain

48:48around 1 15 a.m Brandon is driving along a dark empty back road when his car suddenly slides off the side of a gravel road into a ditch it's not a violent crash just stuck he tries to drive out but the tyres spin uselessly in the mud so he pulls out his phone and he calls his parents he tells them he's fine just needs a lift home he sounds calm even a bit embarrassed he explains that he's in between two small towns, Lind and Marshall, and gives them directions. His dad, Brian Swanson, grabs his keys and he and Brandon's mum, Annette, get in the car to find him. They talk to him the entire way.

49:26Brandon keeps describing where he is, near a gravel road, some lights in the distance, maybe a nearby town, but when his parents drive there, he's not there. They flash their headlights and honk the horn. He says he can hear them. They look around, nothing. He can't see them either. yeah so he can hear them i wondered if i've read that right no he says he can hear them yeah but he can't see them both sides are confused it's as if they're in completely different places that somehow overlap after about 45 minutes of driving in circles brandon gets frustrated and decides to walk to what he thinks is the town of lind he says it's not far he'll just meet them there wouldn't you walk towards the sound of the horn well that's what he's doing he's walking and then he can't hit he can't i thought they're driving around in circles that's a good thing still he stays on the phone whilst his dad uh with his dad whilst uh walking for almost 27 minutes they stay connected brandon's car can hear brandon's dad can hear him trudging along talking about fences gravel water running nearby then just before 2 30 a.m brandon suddenly says oh shit and then the line goes dead his father calls back immediately no answer.

50:39Tries again and again, the phone rings, but no one picks up. Eventually, the calls stop going through. The next morning, after no word from Brandon, the family calls the police. At first, authorities assume he's just wandered off, maybe stayed with a friend, but the Swansons insist something's wrong. Brandon wasn't the type to disappear, and he stayed on the phone until the very last second. Finally, search teams are deployed. They trace his cell phone signal, and it reveals something eerie. Brandon wasn't near Lynd at all. He was 25 miles away, near a remote area between the towns of Taunton and Porter, surrounded by farmland and rivers.

51:13They find his car, still stuck in the ditch, like he'd described. The keys are gone, but there's no sign of a struggle, no footprints leading away. Then, using dogs, searchers follow a scent trail leading across fields and toward the Yellow Medicine River. But when searchers combed the river and dragged it with sonar and divers, they found nothing. No clothing, no body, not even his phone. And remember, his phone continued to ping cell towers for nearly 24 hours after that last call, suggesting that it wasn't submerged, or at least not right away. That single fact has puzzled investigators ever since.

51:48If it's pinging a phone tower, is it not saying where it is? Does that not, or is it just saying that it's still active? Yeah, I'm not sure. But this is a really famous true crime story, because obviously the dad, that must be harrowing for the dad, like, who had him say, oh shit. yeah the first bit's weird where like i thought oh he just doesn't know where he is like he's clearly just said the wrong town like he maybe he was near lind but on the way there yeah but he's the opposite side so he thinks he's between two towns but he's actually between that town and the other one so that's why he's 25 miles away yeah but and then i guess maybe hearing the beeping is just other cars or he just thinks he's hearing it yeah right or maybe he's hearing it through the phone.

52:31Ah. So they're beeping. He can hear it faintly and he thinks he's hearing that in real life. Bit idiotic though, that, innit? Potentially, yeah. But that would explain why he thinks he's hearing it. Right. I can hear it really quietly in the distance, yes, because you're hearing it through the phone. Which would sound muffled because even when you beep in a car, it doesn't sound that loud when you're inside with a window shut, does it? True. If he fell in water, because a lot of people are saying, oh, he slipped. He slipped. But the phone was fine, wasn't it? Yeah, and he said, oh shit, and hung up.

52:56He didn't say, oh shit, and it stayed on the line. That's a good point, Detective White Yeah, he's actively pressed the button to hang up Maybe it was an animal Oh Like a bear or something Ate him but didn't fancy the Nokia Well, he would have dropped it He might have hung up Would a bear eat a phone? I'm not getting onto bears again after your Halloween bear Sorry, fuck me Beware, bears exist No, maybe it is like an animal But then why would you hang up? You'd say, you'd go, oh shit maybe he just walked and someone suddenly had a gun like aimed at him what in the middle of the what in the middle of the woods and shit that's why the woods are scary you know it's people that are scary well anyway this this this uh sort of morbid sad story does have a slight kind of like silver lining in terms of um what his parents went on to do so uh brian and annette turned their grief into action they helped pass a law in minnesota called Brandon's Law that changed how police respond to adult missing person cases.

53:56Before then, officers often waited 24 hours before starting a search for an adult. Now, thanks to Brandon's case, police must treat every missing adult, regardless of age, as potentially endangered if they are suspicious or concerning circumstances. That's Brandon's legacy, a law that helps find others, even though him himself was never found. It's been more than 15 years since that night in May 2008. his phone his clothes his body none of it ever surfaced only that final moment on the line with his father a quiet voice in the dark a sudden shout and then silence forever that is sad i think i think potentially there's a netflix thing on that i think he's just got the wrong location on the phone yeah like if he wasn't using maps or anything and he just like if you don't do that route often as well yeah like i could even even from here to norwich i could easily say i'm in the slot i could say i'm near fettford and still be like half an hour away from fettford right because i'm so used to like if you're walking and if you're walking you don't know the distance no exactly do you think you could walk from here to norwich without any maps sierra has all the best active and outdoor brands you need from athletic stuff like a full court pickup game swish to athletic stuff like a half mile stroll get those steps in and for morning hikes up the mountain trail good pace it's a nighttime ghost choice from the camping chair what a twist whatever level of active sierra loves it all head to sierra or sierra.com for the brands you want at the prices that let you do it all from athletic to athletic sierra's got it Propel Fitness Water with Gatorade electrolytes, zero sugar, and vitamins.

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56:09No, because I don't think you'd be allowed to walk the driving route. You walk where you walk, can't you? You can't walk down the M11. Yeah, you can't walk on motorways. What, is that illegal? Yes. Are you having me on it? Have you ever seen someone go for a walk in the motorway? No, never, because it's dangerous. and illegal but I didn't know it was illegal I thought we were in a free country you do what you want what a proper free country can't stop as Britain can't walk down a motorway but I thought you could walk wherever the fuck you want to walk no you can't you can't just walk through military bases you can't just walk into a prison obviously not but I thought any road any field no if we were to walk Norwich London or vice versa you'd have to take a different route than the driving route piss off if I was allowed to walk on a motorway yes I could do it I'd probably get killed by car but you'd have to go through like villages and stuff i really seriously didn't know that was illegal i know it was dangerous and that's why people don't do it you can i don't know if the rules are different with the a roads but you still wouldn't but so when we when if we ever walk to norwich from on from norwich to the studio yeah you can't go down the m11 so it's not going to be 111 miles which is what our drive is it's going to be yes 180 miles or some shit what i do it won't be that different no I've looked at it on maps and you can go on A roads and stuff that aren't similar.

57:35Do you want me to tell you I'll put it into my maps now and tell you roughly where it's what villages has taken us through Can you walk along the A11 then? Depends on which bit of it If I was to drive home right now it's saying 2 hours 15, what's happened and 112 miles. If I swap that to walking, two days, seven hours, 111 miles. It's actually a mile less to walk it. So rather than the M11... It might be like windy roads. It won't be as fast. So you're kind of just walking alongside the M11 just to the left of it. And then you cross over it into Hatfield Heath. Hatfield yeah you actually walk right near London Stansted so yeah people don't normally say left and right when they're talking about maps do they normally east or west well it doesn't matter does it just to the left of Stansted yeah you go through Bury St Edmunds you go that way so it is it's a very Norfolk heavy chat there isn't it yeah just people in runcourt and going what the fuck yeah we just had to get off the story of this boy dying aren't we so let's just talk about roads You tried to turn the Russians into Norfolk people.

58:53Yeah, true. What's the next one? Is it a fun one? What's your thing with that? I just think he's accidentally gone into the wrong place and missing in rural places. They said it was really rural, didn't they? That happens all the time. I just found it a bit sad. Yeah, East Cupertini. It's a bit modern, isn't it? Yeah. Many more ghost ships. They're getting more and more recent, though. So this one happened. It's an active case that happened yesterday. is this the last one this is the last one and this one is a famous story I'd be surprised if you didn't know there was a Netflix documentary on this and it's called I won't do The Voice what year?

59:362013 we should have gone the other way we should have started off with the recent ones and then finished with the fun ones have any of these been fun? not really the thought of the guy having an argument with his mate while he went to the toilet taking off a plane. That was all right. None of it's been like, laugh out loud. No LOLs on this episode. It's a bit sad, isn't it? But hey, you need some dark and light. And they can't blame us three if they're annoyed. It's Mr. Ree's fault. They can blame us for doing the episode. They can blame us. This is on Mr. Ree. This is on Mr. Ree. This is on Mr.

1:00:14Ree. Very, very glad that at the start of the ep, I went straight I don't know what we're doing today so remember that in the comments but Mr. E isn't introducing this one this is the mysterious death of Elisa Lam it's a death yeah but this is pretty scary how are we spelling Elisa it's E-L-I-S-A do you know about this Stevie I don't reckon if I say to you the word elevator oh yeah I do know yeah is it the water yeah Well, thanks for ruining it. You literally just ruined it. I don't know what it is. In January 2013, a 21-year-old student named Elisa Lam checks into the Cecil Hotel in downtown Los Angeles.

1:01:01The Cecil isn't a luxury hotel. It's an old crumbling building with a long, dark history. Once a grand destination in the 1920s, it had become infamous by the time the 2000s rolled around for its association with suicides, crime, and even serial killers. who once stayed there but for elisa it was cheap central and close to the things she wanted to see she was a bright curious young woman from vancouver canada the daughter of immigrants studying at university she sorry she was the daughter of immigrants she's studying at university she was traveling alone across california keeping her family updated through phone calls and a tumblr blog fucking i remember tumblr i used to use it i was aware i used to be well weird on that yeah oh in what sense i used to like because they used to put really arty photos of like porn on there what are you doing so what what i mean by that is it'd be like it'd be a shot of like a lady's neck to her navel right yeah so her breasts are like well lit those breasts are lit but like should be like not a rat of a random person like professionally taken photo right and then they'd be like taken there'd be like water droplets hanging off them so it's not porn no it's just like arty tits and what were you doing you were putting these on Tumblr I was re-sharing them so someone had put the arty tits on Tumblr and you were re-sharing them so if you went to my page it would just be like picture like a West Ham badge and then like loads loads loads are you ready?

1:02:39How many? No, not the perfect amount. But they're all classy, though. They're all classy. Yeah, that's not porn. They're all wet tits. Classy, headless wet tits. Were they always headless? Nah. So she was updating her Tumblr where she wrote openly about her thoughts, struggles and adventures. On January the 31st, Elisa stopped contacting her parents. They grew worried when she didn't check out of the hotel or answer her phone. They reported her missing. two weeks later after police searched her room and the surrounding neighborhood the lapd released a piece of footage to the public that would make the case world famous now a lot of the listeners out there will know about this uh but if you don't um there is an elevator have you seen the elevator video no it's pretty um unnerving isn't it it's really unusual it's really creepy i remember when i first watched this documentary on netflix maybe six years ago they i think they start the episode with that and it proper did freak me out it's like um so i'll go on to see what this says about it uh the surveillance video recorded inside one of the hotel's elevators showed eliza acting in a way no one could explain she steps in presses several buttons and waits the doors don't close she then quickly stepped forwards peeks into the hallway and jumps back in she hides in the corner and then suddenly steps out again she's being very erratic maybe i have seen this she moves in and out of the elevator several times gesturing strangely as if she's speaking to someone we can't see at one point she presses all the buttons on the panel her arms wave in strange almost fluid motions like she's trying to explain or plead then she steps out of frame and the doors close that's the last known footage of her alive the video went viral within days people around the world watched it fascinated and horrified some thought she was afraid of someone Others thought she was on drugs or having a mental breakdown.

1:04:35Some even claimed it looked supernatural, as if she was interacting with something invisible. The discovery. So this is what you ruined. Stevie, not ruined. I mean, this is a real... You ruined a water tank? Huh? He ruined it, didn't he? On February 19th, after weeks of complaints from hotel guests about low water pressure and strange tasting tap water, a maintenance worker went up to the roof to check the water tanks when he opened one of the lids he found a lees alarm's body floating inside she was completely naked her clothes floating beside her in the tank the discovery raised more questions than it answered how had she even gotten up there access to the roof was locked and alarmed the tanks were massive and required a ladder to reach the openings were heavy and closing the lid from the inside would have been near impossible the autopsy found no signs of trauma or assault and toxicology reports showed only trace amounts of her prescription medication for bipolar disorder.

1:05:34No drugs, no alcohol, nothing else. The official cause of death, accidental drowning. But that explanation left people uneasy. So there are a lot of theories on this. I won't get you guys to theorise over it because I think that'll be a bit too... Originally, I was thinking... Oh, you can. It's up to you. Apparently you don't give a shit, Stevie, about her legacy, so play on. I was just thinking originally the elevator video makes you think it is a drug thing don't you? Is it close to Skid Row as well that place? Yeah that's what I mean before that part of it but then how long does it stay in the founder weeks and weeks later does it still leave the system if you're dead?

1:06:15I imagine if you die it just stays in your system doesn't it? Can your body not flush it out anymore? I don't know You think she took some mad hallucinogenic or something? I don't know mixing it with bipolar as well i don't know how that would affect yeah that well i'll tell you what the two theories are um so some believe she suffered a psychotic episode linked to her bipolar disorder in that state she have made she may have wandered up to the roof removed their clothes and climbed into the tank on her own others think she was murdered perhaps by a hotel employee or someone who knew how to reach the roof undetected but there was no evidence of struggle and no one ever came forward and there's then there's the strange coincidental layer that makes this uh case feel cursed so i think this is another reason why it went viral this is a spooky coincidence i think it is just a coincidence but around the time of her death a tuberculosis outbreak happened near the Cecil hotel and the name of the tb test being used in the area was all in capitals l a m her last name was lamb dash eliza lamb eliza her name is eliza lamb that's weird yeah yeah uh online sleuths pointed out bizarre coincidences odd symbolism in her blog posts and parallels to a 2005 horror film called dark water about a girl found dead in a rooftop water tank whether that those connections mean anything or not they added to the story's ghostly aura the cecil hotel has since been shut down and partially renovated but its reputation is permanent it's become one of the most infamous buildings in los angeles and elisa lamb a lonely traveler on a trip meant to be about freedom and discovery became part of its haunted legend so there are five mysteries for you there boys some mull over no yeah they'll stay mysteries as well because i don't think we have a real answer for you yeah when when do you close a case when do you go that's enough of that then i guess well they don't necessarily close, they become cold cases don't they?

1:08:15Yeah. Does cold mean? Cold case means that. We'll leave it there, we'll pop it in the fridge and we'll reheat it. We can chuck in a microwave if needed. A closed case is like, we have our answer, that's done. A cold case is a case that could come up. I just watched a series on Netflix actually. With the Scottish one. Yeah, I quite liked it. I quite liked it. I can't remember what it's called though. Department Q. Department Q. I think you'd quite like it actually because It's like a cold case unit in Scotland. Yeah, they open. It's like a policeman, and he's forced to open this cold case. Is this a documentary?

1:08:51No, no, no. No, it's a drama. It's got the woman from Trainspotting in it. I forgot her name. That was terrible. But I quite enjoyed it. It was good. And it's like he's forced to open this cold case thing that he doesn't really want to do, but they just give him a huge pile of things, like cold cases, and they're like, pick one of these. we've been given money by whoever the government to do this so we just have to and he just picks a random case and then has to basically try and solve it i watched a documentary on netflix from scotland um a couple of weeks ago it was actually really good but sad there was this guy this um old gentleman that was cycling from like he was still kind of like doing like a charity bike ride but um just disappeared no one ever saw him again and there was nobody ever found and but he was on a lot of roads as people thought that he had maybe been hit or whatever and no one could work it out and then years later um this woman got in a relationship with this man who was a i think he was a twin and um they fell in love and she said if i'm gonna marry you i just want to know have you got any skeletons in your closet sort of thing and he trusted her so much that he was like yeah he was like when i was younger i was drink driving and i hit this guy and i just just buried him and she she she's a hero in this documentary this lady because obviously she's shitting herself right now going this guy's what all right if drink driving's bad obviously if you hit someone bad but then to bury the person is like psychotic almost isn't it um so she said oh right she but she but she's asked that question and she's got anything bad yeah she's gonna think it's not that bad yeah she's like i mean i cheated on a girlfriend when i was at school once yeah unless she had a vibe about him where she was a bit like maybe she'd heard whisperings about him or something like that um so she played it really cool and was just like oh that's fine that's cool that was years ago yeah and then she was like do you know do you remember where that was by any chance and he took her um drove her like hours into the middle of this remote like oh scottish highland it was almost like wasteland it was quite boggy and uh she she had a can of red bull and as she was walking he showed her where where it was he was like it was around here somewhere and then as he as he was walking back to the car, she dropped the Red Bull can on the floor and stamped it into the floor so she could remember where it was.

1:11:09And then she went to the police station and went out there and they dug it up and found the book. Wow. She smashed that, hasn't she? She's done very well there. Done very well there. Wow. That's the Scots for you. What? Legends. Yeah, like me and John McGinn. Yeah, there you go. And you have been on form today. Your theories have been good. There we go, not the funniest step, but some mysteries for you. That's what they wanted. Why are you picking up your bag before the end of the episode? You're halfway out and the door have not even said bye. There you go. That was sad. I'm off. Someone on the Reddit said they wanted some mysteries.

1:11:47Okay, well then now here's your chance. If you want to see more of Mr. Rhi. Yeah, I think nah, boo. I'd be shocked if it if they do. I'd be absolutely shocked if every now and then there's an episode and we're not sure about it. Yeah. And they love it. Yeah. sometimes this episode we think is good. They don't love it. This would not be one of them. We think they're not going to like it and they're not going to like it. Are you going to Armin Awards with this? No, I don't think it's... I think we've not been off form. It's just really is quite hard to... I think people liked it, but now Daddy Knox has said that, they're going to hate it.

1:12:27You've turned them against me though. You reckon that's why? Yeah. Tell them you liked it. I didn't. No, it's not a fun thing, but sometimes you need some serious content. I like mysteries. I do find them interesting. What's your favourite mystery from five to one? Fucking hell, I thought you were just going to ask for one of them. You've got the plane, you've got that loft pass, you've got the Mary Celeste. I enjoyed the older ones the most. Okay. I think the newer ones are more interesting. I think Elisa Lam is probably the most interesting because it is such a big case. yeah and it is i they'll just never i just don't get it yeah i think the the guy in the woods is not as interesting i think just some face a rural place he's just mistaken where he is that loft pass that's crazy yeah because if the the radiation is the thing that makes that a bit like what the fuck yeah because if not it could have just been an avalanche yeah yeah the boat one's a bit strange but it's in the middle of as we said like the storms in the sea are insane so they could have just turned over in the lifeboat if they felt like they had to escape for any reason.

1:13:34And then the last, the other one was the plane. Charles Padilla flying off. And do you know what? It was quite fun, that one. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? An element of awe. We don't know what's happened to him. Yeah. He could have just been living alive. He's not been found dead. I like the ones where we don't find dead people in them. Okay, cool. Well, there's only one where you found a dead person. Well, the Atlov Pass had loads. That's right. It's like eight dead people in time. All of them dead. Well, I think the Spotify comments are going to like this one. And I think if you are listening on Spotify, and you have got it all the way to the end, you can't slag it off now because you've listened the whole way.

1:14:07All I want you to do on the Spotify comments is write down below, pick a word, Stevie, John McGinn. Comment John McGinn down below. I want to see how many of you on Spotify have actually listened to the very last second. And if you did, you're legends. I want to see John McGinn. See you in a bit. We'll see you on Thursday for a guest. Bye. John McGinn. Imagine that It's always a set up Weird guest intro Yeah that's an intro I really want you to try and get John McGinn now

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