611 - MR DOODLE - Covering A £1.6 Million Mansion Entirely In Doodles, & Dealing With Psychosis

33:20Do you think, obviously what you do, not anyone can do. But can anyone doodle? What makes a good doodler? uh yeah i reckon anyone can do it um it's funny because i used to say because people always say don't they like oh i can't draw like that's a common like phrase i guess and or i can only draw a stick man or something or i can't even draw a stick man but i think when i encourage people to doodle when i go to like a school or something now kids some kids are saying i can't doodle but that's what everyone should be able to do you know like my dad doesn't draw but he when he's on the phone he'll he'll like i've seen his notebooks he's got doodles in them and stuff but he doesn't think anything of them but he does it by like a natural thing to help him focus i guess when he's talking to someone it's just something to fidget with isn't it so i think anyone can do it and i think in terms of it being good i guess like a successful doodle is something that where someone hasn't thought about it and they've made something without thinking like if they've thought about it and like they've drawn something it could be really good but it might not technically be a doodle i guess but then there's a question of like whether it looks good and stuff i suppose that's slightly different i guess this episode is brought to you by airbnb stevie you ever stayed in an airbnb mate i've stayed in airbnbs loads of times like where all over not interested let me tell you about the best airbnb i ever stayed in you remember when i went over to the Euros last year.

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37:09You must have doodles that you prefer over other doodles. Or not? Not too much. Yeah. I find it hard to, like, pick a favourite characters or something. That's what I was going to say. You know, like, how Banksy has the rat? Yeah. Does Mr. Doodle have an iconic poster doodle? Well, I draw myself quite a bit. Like, where's Wally type of thing where I put myself into the drawing and people can try and find me and stuff. but I don't tend to have too many other things other than that. I kind of try and make it as varied as possible. So there's not often like common characters that keep reoccurring.

37:45It's kind of just whatever comes to mind and stuff. I love it. I don't think in over 600 episodes of Happy Hour we've ever had someone this unique at what they do. I don't think so, no. Like, because I'm thinking of, we've had paranormal experts on, but we've had three or four of them. Yeah. I mean, we've had footballers on, we've had a few of them, but there's not many people. Do you know any other doodlers, professional doodlers? Yeah, yeah, I know there's not that many, but I'm bound to probably know more than you guys because I get sort of tagged and stuff. There's a young boy called Joe Whale who's called himself the doodle boy, and he does really cool doodles and stuff, does walls for restaurants or um commercial jobs for brands and stuff and he does kind of uh characters and things as well like a lot of it's black and white or monochromatic and stuff and there's people like him or um there's other kind of street artists that might work in a bit of a doodle style but i guess most most artists don't really want to be cool doodlers like they're kind know trying to they think it's not a nice word to be described as right like they'll if someone says oh i like you're going to sort of um uh da vinci and saying like i love your doodles and he's like cheers you know it sounds kind of like worse i guess so right i think people find it like a derogatory term i guess but i really love that i love the nature of how anyone can do it and trying to make it as almost like as low end and as accessible as possible.

39:27I like being able to see people on the street and someone who's never been in a museum before goes like, oh, cool, cool doodles. And they don't need to have like super high art degrees or anything to understand it. They just kind of see something they like. And that's what I think Keith Herring did really well as well, in a sense, not in a doodle sense, but in a sense of bringing art to masses of people and making it really accessible for people. because I think it's great when a kid like my son who's two can do doodling and I can do it too and like an older person can do it as well and stuff and and we don't need to think about it more or there's no rules to it it's kind of just a really human thing to do I guess.

40:08Would you or do you encourage your son to doodle? Yeah I do I don't I don't tend to need to encourage him really he just loves to do it i think loads of kids do really yeah they love picking up pens and drawing and and i love it when he does and um but he tends to do it on sometimes on stuff that we don't really want him to do it on you can't tell him off for doodling on the walls you know that i was about to say you're the only parent in the world how can you say no how do you know that's wrong oh i couldn't bring myself to do that yeah i just try and steer him towards like because he's always going over like my my bits and stuff and i'm like well yeah because there's no bits where you don't know there's nowhere he can do it or you go you're ruining my work well no i mean like i yeah i can't it's just i'm trying to get him to like add to it and as in like we left areas for him in the house like floors there's a bit in a conservatory where you can go and i want him to fill up that whole bit but he he wants to like draw on my stuff as well so we have to find him new things and sometimes we collaborate on paint and still draw a bit and i'll draw a bit around it and he he just draws like whatever you know he feels like and i really love how he doesn't at the moment anyway he's at a level where all kids they don't like see it how we do and they don't know what's wrong with like this he draws like a a little squiggly shape and he goes like daddy it's fish and i don't know what he's looking like

41:51no but i just love how in his head he's that works for him and he doesn't there's no he doesn't understand what's a good or a bad piece of art and that's kind of how i really i want to be like that you know so I'm kind of learning from him and learning to like free myself up and like draw loosely and and just be happy with what I've done for myself and you know that's kind of something great that people kind of grow out of I guess you know right that's a nice way to look at it a lot of kids and I put myself in this category would get told off at school for doodling yeah um was that was that something that your teachers would have a have a problem with or um i think uh it would be a nice story if i could say that was true but it wasn't really because the teachers were really great at my school like um morgan who i mentioned earlier we we work with him now and he's my kind of creative director um and uh he he was like amazing he like he was he was my art teacher to be fair so he was never really going to tell me off for doodle him he would encourage me to go and like do it in other lessons and do it on bits of furniture at school and stuff and other teachers i think it kind of just made something fun to look at when they're marking work you know they see like a drawing next to the work and sometimes it have a relevance to an essay we'd be writing in english or in maths it would be like made out of the grid in the maths book or something some sort of robot or something and they were they were like really encouraging about it so that's cool yeah i can't say they told me not to really right right well when you went to um uni and what was the illustration yeah it seems to me as an outsider who's just familiar with like your story through the dark and stuff like that it seems to me that you've always had like a similar style it's not it's not changed too much over the years you might have gotten better at it but you've kind of always known what you wanted to do so how um uni often like and the courses help shape people to their career but it kind of am i right in thinking you all kind You already kind of knew what you wanted to do before uni.

43:55Did you get much from uni? Yeah. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I don't think I understood everything I was getting from it at first, but by the end, I really had a grasp of what was really worthwhile in doing that course. And there was moments in the first year where I just thought, it was probably arrogant of me, but I kind of thought, why am I paying for this? I don't need this. and not like the first year isn't taken as seriously as the other two and it felt a bit like I was just what wanted to be out there and working and putting my drawings into the world and I didn't understand what I needed to do there but then the more I did it the more I was there like the tutors kind of helped me try out different things and what was really missing I guess from before I went to union from after was like the sense of like a Phil who's in the documentary who you mentioned earlier he he always talked about like an anchor point of my work and whilst i was like drawing a lot as like just as sam like before university i didn't have like a kind of thing that connected it all together and the creation of like mr doodle as a character kind of came from university particularly like the third year and stuff oh so what so was it your it was it was him that came up with mr doodle he did kind of i mean he sort of he always said like your work like needs a reason to be like he said like it's great that you love drawing and you love you love doing it a lot but like what is it that's like what's connecting it all I didn't really understand it I'm not sure I still necessarily understand what he was saying but he was sort of trying to get me to put something to package it all together I guess right sense of it so then I started drawing on my clothes and I came in one day drawing like with a suit on and stuff and he took a picture of me and he put it on his Instagram and said like Sam Cox the doodle man about to start a day's work doodling and I was like oh yeah that's it and I just started calling myself the doodle man going out and trading drawings and kind of becoming a character for the content I was making and stuff and trying to give people like a way of like looking at me as like part of this world that I was building and stuff that you see me you remember sam swapping the trying to swap the drawings for yeah you used to do because you tried to sell some for like a pound as well didn't you yeah what would so i don't know how how you'd answer the question but what if someone you would have sold a few wouldn't you for like the pounds and stuff yeah if those people still have that drawing now yeah would you say the worth is decent yeah some people sold some people kept them and sold them about five years after that oh so you've actually seen people sell them on yeah yeah because we have we're able to sort of watch the auction market and see when things come up under mr doodle and people have bought them back in 2014 and sold them in 2020 or 2021 or something and they'd be probably like well much higher than a pound and stuff yeah so whoever held on to them would have done that's an investment yeah but yeah it was funny because even when selling them for a pound back then it wasn't like if I had a hundred of them it wasn't like oh they all went instantly no there was plenty of days I'd come home and only sold 10 or something you know they're only a pound and stuff so yeah do you remember your first like actual commission like someone's come to you and said I'll pay you to do this for me yeah uh before I was um like Mr Doodle I did something for Sky Arts at the Isle of Wight Festival I drew on a big canvas for them and people could color it in that was the first kind of job that I remember being a official like sort of gig and stuff that was 2012 I think just before uni but after uni I did things like um people's offices murals and stuff like that around sort of a lot of stuff in Shoreditch and then kind of from later on a couple years later it started going more outside the UK so so so um Sam Cox goes to uni discovers that he needs to become doodle man and then the uh he's out on the streets of bristol trying to sell these prints for a pound do whatever he can how similar and we'll get onto a bit more of this later on when we discuss the doc but how similar were you as sam cox and this alter ego that you'd that you'd created uh not not super similar in terms of like if mr doodle had a personality it wasn't like me but we both kind of love to draw I guess yeah but uh I was like someone who just wanted to be like inside my flat all the time drawing right and Mr Doodle's kind of a character who wants to be like outside saying hi to everyone and like like showing my work to everyone and I don't find that natural really like it's not something I'd normally like feel like I should do you know how did you get the confidence to do that then where did that where did that come from because I think it came from people like Morgan and Phil saying to me like, oh, only, you know, like only 5 % of people who do this course or want to be an artist go on to make a living out of it and stuff.

49:05So I was thinking, wow, I've got to like throw everything at it. So I even though I don't feel confident to go out and dress up and stuff. Yeah, I can't not do it because otherwise I might regret not doing it when I'm like 50 and I've got a job that I don't want to have and I wanted to be a doodler and stuff. So I had to just push myself and try and do it as much as possible. I think that's one of the coolest things I've ever heard on it, because it's so opposite to how you are inherently. But you have such a passion and motivation for what you want to do that you're just breaking out of that comfort zone to make it happen.

49:38Yeah, I think I think everyone at some point has to probably do that if they want to get to somewhere. And I think it's just a case of like knowing that the alternative is worse. it's just a slower alternative like you've either got to like jump into it right now and give it a go or later you're gonna it's gonna be worse like when you realize you didn't do it what would you be doing if you weren't doodle man mr doodle uh i don't know i'd still want to be drawing to some point um i don't know exactly yeah maybe some work in some kind of agency or something i guess i don't know i'd want to do something like creative still yeah so how you're obviously known all all around the world um all around the globe uh you've got millions and millions on tiktok millions on instagram when did that shift happen when did you go from trying to swap your print for a greg sausage roll to to eventually as we now know selling your art for millions where's the change um about 2017 i did a pop-up shop um i drew all over this like the walls the floors and covered in covered it in paper and drew over it was this in london did you say sorry yeah old street okay yeah in the sort of underground bit there's these shops and there's one that constantly changed every week or something and they gave me the space for free just to do something fun in it yeah um and i did that and then a lady came in and filmed me when I was drawing on the floor and she posted it on Facebook and somehow it ended up on this page where all these people saw it and my following kind of grew from that and then from there things just kind of snowballed into different opportunities like in Hong Kong or Taiwan and places like that and I just started flying around and doing different events or exhibitions and just trying to take every opportunity and put my work out there and stuff that's crazy so if if that well I'm sure your art would speak for itself but if that lady hadn't come in and filmed your life could be on a completely different trajectory yeah oh yeah definitely how many views did it get at that time I got about 40 million views and it was it was like phenomenal for me because nothing had you know got more than a few thousand views at that point so it was really like amazing and um for that from week from then and me and my mum were just always like rolling up posters and me and my granddad the guy doesn't like the drips like we went down to the post office we'd send them up and stuff yeah that's incredible what were people did people discover your your page your online hub and then buy your prints and so yeah they were doing yeah yeah yeah they just they would find me on instagram facebook and stuff and and um and and there was sort of they would dig up like the older stuff that was there and things the the older content would start to get like reshared and everything kind of got just discovered by a bigger audience at that point so that's amazing are you and is it asia where your work's really where where is it where your work's like really like revered like um we uh yeah lots of places in asia yeah sort of um because didn't you make like or was it your dad on the dock that said you made like 50 flights to like the far east or something somewhere yeah it was something like that yeah in 2019 there was a lot of flights and most of them were to like Hong Kong or Korea or Japan um and some other places as well but that tended to be where like there was a good reception a really good reception from an audience to watch me draw and see the canvases I was making and things like that how did it feel to live through all of that just to go from like doing this random little pop-up shop in London to suddenly having to fly really long haul flights to go and draw for an audience of people.

53:33It was amazing. Yeah, I loved it. Like, I still love it now. But that change then was, it didn't feel like real for a while. It felt really weird. It kind of felt like, it was like the first week, it felt like I was, I can only describe it. It felt like I was ill or something. I didn't feel unwell. It just felt like a bit kind of lightheaded or just it just didn't feel completely real. Is this when the numbers are on the screen? Are you talking about that? Are you talking about the travel? What part of it didn't feel real? Well, the first week after the pop up. So I wasn't traveling at that point.

54:12There was just loads of emails and messages. And I was kind of like promising everyone I'd reply to them. But that was just it wasn't manageable and stuff. And there was only me kind of working by myself with the occasional help of my family, but not like in an official way yeah um and uh it just felt kind of it just really exploded at that point and it didn't i couldn't really get a sense of like it just felt really odd for a while but in a good way it felt like kind of floating or something i don't really know how to describe it did you yeah i can imagine if anyone's just thrown that level of sort of stardom and notoriety like it's going to be hard to handle did what what did you make a did you make a plan did you sit down with your family and go this is how we handle it did you get a manager what was the first steps um well I had a I had a guy that I was working with like kind of as a manager for a while and I sort of jumped through a few different people who kind of worked as that role and and then in 2020 during lockdown I kind of got I got quite ill from just doing too much because I was a little bit like mismanaged I guess like I was doing a lot of the administrative work I was looking through contracts as well as drawing and it was just too many things going on yeah and then from getting better from that i then like had my dad and morgan came in as i built a team and my wife um and now we have like a small family like team that do it differently to how it was before that do you mind if we delve into the mental health aspect of it a little bit yeah um it's a big part of the documentary isn't it the trouble with mr doodle as we said at the top of the show if you guys haven't seen it go check it out it's a it's a fascinating watch um in the documentary it's implied that because you've just touched on there that you were doing the admin taking too much on and perhaps that had well did have negative effects on your mental health but in the in the documentary it's kind of implied that the art itself um was it was an it was an issue in terms of um you kind of like morphing into mr doodle and forgetting perhaps who sam cox was would you say was it the art itself that was a an issue or was it just the lifestyle of doodle man uh i think like that's definitely part of it the what the documentary picks up on but because you can't put everything like in a documentary they got to kind of focus on something um that is a good metaphor for kind of explaining it in a general sense i guess um but there was a lot of things going on like i just bought the house there was lots of things to work out and the admin stuff and and I think I actually got like a flu as well just before I got ill right it didn't help as well because it messed up my sleep and I was dehydrated and that on top of everything else and kind of feeling like I had to live in this house and I was always going to wear like a doodle suit and live as like Mr.

57:04Doodle and I was kind of trying to become like that character as almost like an art project in itself to live in that character and I think all of that combined kind of made me ill I guess but um it's really hard to know like exactly why and I think we sometimes me and my family think about it and stuff but we're never really going to know like exactly how or the specific reason but I think it's a combination of that stuff basically do you remember much of how your brain was feeling during those moments like where you're fully feeling like you are Mr Doodle can you still think back to how you felt now yeah yeah I mean I kind of like I look at it differently to I guess my family who was dealing with that at the time for them it was you know horrible because they just couldn't see like me being myself anymore but I have I have like bad memories of it but also these really happy weird memories of it because it was like there was really like high points and low points to it so some days I just thought like everyone was going to kill me and it was horrible but other days I thought I was in hospital with like Banksy and me and him were going to draw in the world together and and it was like funny and and and like like a really it was like a dream like happy dreams and nightmares all really real jumbled reality where I couldn't really understand like what what was really like around me I just did like you know when you have a dream and you kind of look at someone in the dream and and you can see your friend but in your head I don't know if you've ever had it where that's not your friend like you look at them and you're like i could be looking at you guys and but in my head i think you're uh like charles and camilla you know right but like and i'm convinced of it even though like i can see it it's you guys but and then that was happening in real life for me so like i wasn't dreaming but it would be an actual reality where i my head was confused about who the personality was in another human like next to me and as well as that other hallucinations of like where i was and what was going on because also covid happened exact same time oh yeah like tough yeah and that was on the tv in the hospital they play like boris johnson on the news with the mask on and all these like guarded off cones and things and i had this idea that i was making like a doodle virus so i had all these sort of similar things where phil and i at university described my work as a doodle virus and and i wanted to cover the world with the doodle virus and all this stuff was on the news and there was a real like connection between what i'd had in my head and that so i kind of blamed myself for covid for a while when i was in hospital and i didn't really understand what what lockdown was and when i came out of hospital all these people were queuing outside shops and i thought i was just on a different planet right in both senses like it must have been so surreal yeah did lockdown happen like the first like that happened whilst you were yeah in the hospital so i went in hospital right at the end of february 2020 and i think lockdown happened in march yeah after and when i came out it was in full lockdown wow was it psychosis then the diagnosis was yeah wow so that's so intense because obviously that can happen to anyone at any point mental health so fragile but for you to have this sort of episode of your life coincide with the the biggest pandemic we've ever experienced which didn't make sense to people that that weren't struggling do you know what i mean yeah yeah people that were of a sane mind where I was sat at home going, what the fuck is this?

1:00:32And everyone had their own issues. So I can't imagine how difficult that must have been. Yeah, it was weird. And I think in a way, my family saw it as, they kind of saw it as a good thing in a way because it was like everyone else was in their homes. No one could see each other anyway. And I kind of needed to be like, even though I was out of hospital, I was still recovering at that point. I think they let me go out early because my family couldn't visit me like in hospital and stuff. so they probably relaxed it a bit more than they would normally um but i think the fact that i was just mostly with them and i wasn't out and about and everyone else was carrying on with the world as it was in a way it was helpful even though it was really weird i see what you mean yeah i see what you mean and um so in your mind from time to time you would believe that you were um doodle man and you'd forget that you were sam cogs yeah and then in the documentary it's kind of and i don't know if it's just a metaphor or or what but it's it's implied that you needed to sort of like quote-unquote kill doodle man yeah find your find yourself again but you still are like you still online have very much presence of doodle man so how do you combat that now how do you make sure you don't slip again well um i used to work like it was almost entirely independently before and i to spend like hours or days by myself without really speaking to anyone just drawing and stuff yeah now because of this team that i have with my family and stuff like they've all got an eye on me and they're kind of making sure like things are kind of under control as best they can you know whereas before it was really like i would just kind of say yes to everything like if there was a thing a flight i'd go you know i'd go from like italy and then i flew to mexico and then and all these different places and it just be it wasn't very well like managed because there wasn't really management happening it was just kind of just doing everything we could and right so but now it's much better in that sense and and i spend more time with you know now i'm married and have a son and with my wife and um and and my son like we spend time together and like take the dog for a walk and just kind of i i think back then i was thought everything had to be like doodling and I didn't give myself like any time to be kind of just normal I guess do you still doodle every day oh yeah yeah still doodle yeah it's just more like I think before it was like sometimes really often 17 or 18 hours a day drawing wow now it's more some days some days still like 14 hours or something that can be drawing but it's not like it's so much less than it used to be in my eyes but still a lot probably to someone who doesn't like to draw for more than an hour.

1:03:16If you had to think back in, let's go in the last month, what day, what's the least amount of doodling do you think you've done in a day in terms of hours? Probably. I've done seven hours probably. I doubt I've done less than seven hours drawing in the last month. That would be like a day that must have been busy with other stuff. Weekends I spend a lot of time with Elena and Alfie. And on those days I'm only really drawing if Alfie's having a nap or when they go to bed I go to draw in the studio. I stay up late to do some drawing and stuff. yeah what's a day like today like for you like so you got a train into london yeah are you doodling on the train or are you doing other yeah i do a bit of drawing on i've got like a an app where you know similar to what i did when you would have seen me at uni and stuff and i do what are those doodles for because like with other things they're projects like you're doodling your house you're doodling for companies when you're just sat doodling yeah where what are these for where are they going uh just is it just for the sake really wow really yeah i drew a lot for fun yeah because i just i just assumed this 14 hours a day you're doing now is part of the bigger million million doodle project or whatever like i thought you're always gonna put your your dude you're doodling in your spare time for fun yeah well um i mean they might end up going somewhere but like often I've got notes on my you know phone and streams are kind of connected drawings that probably don't end up anywhere but it's just I kind of think that my theory is that hopefully helps you know everything else and and I also enjoy it so are you so what are we we're like an hour into this interview right now are you missing doodling now well no we're talking about it well it's because like for us obviously we absolutely love doing this as a job and we love being able to sit down with guests like you and have these long conversations and when you leave we're going to have another guest in and we're going to do another hour and a half chat with them you can bet as soon as we get in the car we barely talk to each other because we're just done we've talked you finished doodling and you're like i should probably doodle yeah it is weird There is, I've never ever genuinely ever felt tired from it.

1:05:41Like, and I, but I think it's very different to talking or other things. I can see totally why someone would get like tired of having long conversations. I guess it has to have to take breaks and stuff. Or if you're playing football or doing something more physical, but like I felt it in hospital as well. I really felt like if I could stay awake forever, I could genuinely like draw forever. If given the right conditions, I would never feel like there'd be a need to stop. And it's a bit like, you know, that kind of theory of millions of monkeys, unlimited monkeys and unlimited typewriters and they write Shakespeare and stuff.

1:06:21Yeah. I kind of think that I could be like one of those monkeys and draw like that. And I would never want to stop and I would want to come up with, I don't think there'd be a limitation to how many things could be drawn. Like, I just think there's so much variety and I could enjoy doing it for a really long time. Would they let you doodle in the hospital or was that kind of a limit? They, you know, they did. Yeah, they would let me draw. Weirdly, they let people do a lot of stuff you wouldn't think they would. I'm so intrigued by that. People had phones and stuff like that. I didn't have a phone, but I was allowed to draw.

1:06:57i drew on some of the walls in my room and i made friends with a guy i still speak to now who's in hospital with me and he'd been back in since because it's often i think people have several times unfortunately sometimes in their in their life and he went back and he said my drawings were still like on the wall and i drew with them like sometimes if i didn't have pens like one time they put me into a solitary confinement space and i only had like they put food under the door and stuff and i drew a soup on the wall and i drew like pictures and things of that but they were quite mostly quite relaxed about and they sometimes do groups with people they they do like wellness groups i guess and and one of those things was to make like pictures and stuff so they'd get three or four of us and someone would come in and do drawing with us and stuff and i'd be like i like doing that i'll do a bit of that but they wouldn't know does it feel like a need for you then like an urge to do it because if you're drawing with soup yeah like that wasn't even a time when you're in that room you're thinking i could just not doodle for now yeah no i do feel the need to do it but it's like a happy need to i don't feel like i'm under pressure to do it but it just feels you just want to yeah yeah but i also realize that it doesn't feel good when i don't like do it for a long and long period of time like if i go to sleep and i haven't felt like i've done it enough that day like i won't sleep as well i won't be as happy so it's almost like a hunger like how we feel like we need to eat you think like i just need to do yeah probably yeah it's weird because the only thing i can compare it to is sometimes if i get a um so i suffer with ocd and um sometimes i'll go through like a stage where I'll get like transfixed on something so like a couple years ago I was a little bit overweight and I started to run a lot and I would have a list on my phone of how much I was running each day yeah but it became almost unhealthy for me because I was I had to do it every day and sometimes I'd be like I didn't I was I was different to you Sam and in the fact that sometimes I didn't want to do it and I'd be like I don't want to fucking do this right now but I'd have to go out just so I could get the tick on my sheet right sort of thing so so you do you never have a time where you're like i just really don't want to doodle but you feel like your body's telling you have to is that no that doesn't tend to happen but i do get how that could feel like that with running and stuff i did a bit of running and didn't i never really enjoyed it but i i used to go out with my mum and do it but i like spending time with her but not the process of running i just made me feel like not good when i was doing it but when it was done i would i felt good yeah yeah but i don't have that with drawing you're basically the poster boy of the the old saying of if you find something you love doing you'll never work a day in your life yeah you are that yeah yeah it just doesn't feel like work for you right ever no i mean i do have to do um things outside of just doodling as in like i have to talk to my you know my team and stuff about like what projects we're doing and how we handle stuff and there is a side to it that isn't always the doodling part you know which you don't like you don't like that stuff i i don't not like it i just prefer drawing and and if it goes on too much yeah i'm like i need to like draw you know like and that's the kind of balance of it i guess but it's just it's kind of like a necessity i i guess to do that part because you You can't, like, I wouldn't be able to go and draw in front of people in Japan if I didn't plan the trip, you know?

1:10:33So it kind of has to, it's a bit of a thing, yeah. That's the bit that feels like work for you, I guess, yeah. It's probably the most work part, but it's still a fun work. Like, I would never complain about it. Do you like doing this? Do you like talking about this? No, I like doing this. I was really excited to come and see you guys. I was really, like, happy you invited me on. and congratulations on everything that you guys are doing. Oh, thank you. That's very kind. That's very kind. Before we move on to your house, which I know a lot of people will know you from, I think the last question I've got on that is...

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1:13:14And often I forget sort of to have lunch and things like that. But it's good to have my family around. They kind of remind me of stuff and keep it on track a bit. But I would just, I'm really happy to do it. If you could take a pill that meant you could never sleep, that you never had to sleep, would you take it? I reckon so. If it didn't, if it didn't, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that would be the best thing to have. because you've got to think like um there's so many people out there that want to be able to do things like drawing it's like such a luxurious position to be in to be able to draw in my eyes anyway like it's a it's not an easy thing to kind of be fortunate enough to do so there'll be someone else to take that position if i didn't like want to do it or something or didn't or kind of got a bit lazy with it or something you know so that's what yeah i definitely take the pill yeah of the no sleep do you find it easy do you find it easy to put the pen down so say something say you're like just drawing or you're doodling in the morning yeah okay we need to go out so maybe your wife comes through it's like oh we need to leave do you just go cool pen down we're off or are you like one more doodle one more she's like well that's another three hours sir like what how How easy is it for you to just stop in the middle of something?

1:14:34Well, it's like a, it's a happy thing. Don't get me wrong, but it's like a bit of a negotiation with me and my wife a bit sometimes like that. So if we need to go and do something and it's come up, it's not been planned or something, I'll go like, okay, do that now. But I'm going to go back to the studio a bit earlier than I would have done. Like, had we not done this and stuff. So we kind of work it out. And, you know, I just kind of try and make up for that a bit later. I don't feel, it's not like I'm being dragged away from the wall. I could keep doing it if given the option. But you can easily put the pen down and be like, oh, let's go do this.

1:15:09Yeah, yeah. It's not a struggle in that sense. Do you ever just watch Netflix and not doodle? Well, yeah, with my son, we sometimes watch some stuff on there and I try and be with him when he's doing that or playing with him and doing stuff. but he fortunately like i say like likes to draw as well so we get to do a bit of that sometimes when watching tv or if we're doing something else and um but i don't make him do it yeah i just kind of but i try and be like present with him and and that's the that's the most time i'm not drawing is when i'm kind of with him or right later yeah okay and and then let's move on to um to the house because a huge part of the documentary a huge part of your life you bought a a mansion a six bedroom house in kent is that right yeah and you have doodled it from head to toe every square inch of it is doodled right yeah where did that idea come from i know you mentioned earlier that it was always a kind of dream but do you remember the first time that sort of like started that seed started to sprout um i remember roughly like when it was i was about 16 and i was drawing on tables chairs and stuff and morgan and i my teacher at the time he we decided like we kind of thought well the end result of this has surely got to be some sort of living space like where I've drawn everything and at that time it was like it might be a flat or a something you know we I wasn't able to sort of dream of what it could be because I didn't think that would be like achievable back then and stuff so that's where the dream began and then when it got to about 2018 I started seriously kind of looking at different properties that I could maybe be able to afford to to do it two and then in 2019 the one that I've got now came up and I thought oh that's you know that's it like it's it was like three minutes away from my parents house but we never knew that it was there because it was tucked behind these trees and I'd walked past it but I didn't see it because it's hidden from the road and it just looked like it was painted white on the outside and although it needed I needed to do stuff on the inside it just looked like it was like it was like it was meant to be in a way yeah yeah what were the first steps then because you can't just go into a house and doodle it no i just i think in the documentary was it

1:17:28was it is it your uncle yes so everything had to be ripped out of the house and painting it white yeah i call him my uncle but he's my mum's cousin right okay yeah yeah yeah and um he he works a lot with like he's a carpenter basically and he's done renovations and things before and at first i just wanted to get him in to change the kitchen because i thought i could mostly or i'd find a way to do the other parts but we looked at it together and he has much more experience than i do and he was like no we're gonna need to do this properly because i had this idea i'd get a guy in to blast it with like a paint gun and just basically do like a mr bean where he you know covers the whole thing in white paint yeah um and uh that wasn't a long-term solution really because i was just too eager to yeah i guess i wasn't being patient for in that sense of like drawing on the house so we decided to do it that way and he spent six months during mostly during lockdown like tearing it all stripping it back you know taking it back to a shell then putting in floor boards making it all more solid no carpets no curtains like everything was like a drawable surface and as plain as possible i guess so that it wasn't it had a lot of like um fussy kind of decorative parts you know where I wouldn't have been able to I wouldn't have been able to draw in it so everything like that was removed to replace it with the most blank smooth surfaces as I could.

1:18:54Was the original idea of just painting it all possible to do but then wouldn't have been possible to live in so were they trying to make sure it was livable as well? I guess so it was it was that as well as like the way I wanted to do it originally or the way I thought would be quickest and stuff was it would get worn really quick it would be okay the drawings would have come off the carpet and it would have just been a bit of a mess after doing it you know originally i think i know the answer to this but when this process was happening were you were you excited for it or were seeing a house get ripped out was that quite a nervous feeling no i was i was excited by it yeah but I was it was the time when I was ill as well so it was a I couldn't fully enjoy it I guess in the way I probably should have it was a bit weird because um like when I went into hospital like the house would some bits had started to be stripped out and when I came out a lot of it was like different and and it was yeah kind of strange but I once I got a bit better I really started to really love the seeing it happen and when it became like this sort of it looked like heaven you know for me as well in a visual and sort of metaphoric sense it was all white and like just really bright and like everything was ready to be drawn massive rooms ready to be had a draw on so that was like the ideal scenario for me yeah you describe it as heaven there but i guess in like the cynic in me i could describe it as like also looking a bit like uh how you'd imagine a traditional like mental asylum yeah yeah yeah do you do you think that the house itself had had anything to do with uh your your sort of downturn in mental health or uh possibly but was it the workload itself rather than the physical place you live in i think the house played a role but i hadn't drawn on anything on on it by the time i was ill like it was so early on And my uncle would only just, he'd probably spent about just under a month ripping out stuff.

1:20:57Oh, right. So it really wasn't very far into the process. Right. But I guess the sort of process of buying a house and getting a mortgage and going through all the technical part of it probably played a role in the stress. Not because of the project, I guess. Okay. How much work went into it before the doodling even started? Not the ripping out and everything. So the house is now completely white. Yeah. It wasn't as like, I've seen obviously the final kind of like stop motion animation. Everything's incredible. And you've planned each room meticulously based on what the room it is. You haven't just gone in and drawn.

1:21:36You've gone, this is going to have this, this is going to have this. So the bathroom will have more sort of like bathroom-y type doodles. Yeah, like the living rooms, TV themed. You've got like the heaven and hell stuff. You've done all these different kind of. how much work was there before you even put pen to wall or floor or ceiling uh probably quite a bit of work but because it was something i was dreaming about for so long like i would draw things on my phone kind of when i was traveling and stuff and planning it in between other projects and showing elena and saying what do you think about like you know we do heaven and hell up the staircase and stuff and these different ideas because i was so excited about it i couldn't it wasn't the normal type of project in the sense of like I wouldn't just approach it and draw whatever I kind of because I loved that project so much I wanted it to I wanted to enjoy it before I even like had the house and stuff so I was planning it kind of years before of roughly what a room might have within it and stuff do you remember how how much material went into completing the house um a little bit off the top of my head i think it was about the most of the thing i most used were these pen nibs that i use on my pen so they chisel away if i use them too long on a rough surface okay to constantly use scissors take them off put a new one on and there's a few thousand of them i think and lots of lots of white paint and i've got a list here off your wikipedia so i don't know how accurate this is but apparently it took you two years to do the house yeah 900 liters of emulsion 401 spray paint cans 286 bottles of drawing paint and 2296 pen nibs it sounds about right i don't know that's like good shopping list i think that i don't know about the white emulsion i always questioned that but i didn't paint the house white but i always asked my uncle did we really use 900 liters of white emulsion i I don't remember paying for that much.

1:23:33But he says we did. But I think they were in, the guys like poured it into like a paint gun and the main guy who was painted with my uncle, he sprayed it like onto the floors and things. And on the outside, even though it was white, we gave it a brighter white. I was going to say, it must be a couple of layers as well. It's not as simple as just going that stuff. Yeah. Your uncle, it must have been strange for like the people that worked with your uncle because your uncle knows you. He's seen you grow up. He knows what you're about. He knows that this is your thing. but the contractors that he's getting in to help must have thought what the fuck they're just smashing a sink out do you not want a sink?

1:24:08no, you can't have a sink you can't draw on that that's mad isn't it it must have been quite weird for them I never really think about that but we got to know him really well and it was a really nice group of people cool I think the Guardian newspaper described your house as stepping into a migraine yeah how would you describe your house? uh well i like it when some people say it's like getting a hug like a visual hug because there's a lot of stuff there and they feel crowded by it but it's nice it feels like cozy um i think most people think it's probably a headache from looking at it and i know though that the guardian came to see it and stuff but most people don't feel well they used to don't say to me that it doesn't make them feel like they've got a headache and stuff you get used to it and um the time i most recognized it being kind of what an outsider might see it as is when we've been away for a few weeks we come back to it and you do feel it vibrates a bit more than it does day to day but i think it's it's been really good i think for my son because he's he really picks up on a lot of like he's he can see things in it he goes like he's pointing at characters and he knows what they are and he's got a real sense of like he's got like a visual vocabulary around him that you can learn from all the time and i think it's helped him in in a good way i think yeah i was gonna say like every time obviously when we see it on a screen we're seeing it's obviously a massive house but we're seeing in such a small way or like on my tv when i was watching the documentary i'm like seeing it everything you see this huge house and all the drawings then look tiny but if you're inside one of these bigger rooms you must just notice obviously not you because you're the one who drew it but anyone who goes in there will just see i'd spot something different every time i'd go in yeah it's just so much going on but like in a good way yeah you'll be able to constantly just go oh that's really cool that's really cool like the heaven and hell concept up the stairs is really cool well surely surely how did you know when it was finished do you remember that final doodle or can you walk about and go i'd squeeze another doodle in there um no it wasn't that because usually like when i fill an area it's like it's getting completed as it goes it's not like there's never really get a bit where i go oh that needs another line or something yeah it kind of somehow i've got into a rhythm of it just being complete and and it keeps progressing right um uh but when i finished the time lapse the stop motion sort of film that was almost like one part where it kind of ended because i realized that was all that part was done but because the camera doesn't capture like every single angle as it moves through a room it doesn't get what's behind the camera always there was all these bits I had to go back and like finish off because I did it.

1:26:49I worked in the process of the stop motion and then kind of there was about 20 % of stuff I needed to then complete once that was done. Right. That I hadn't captured. So my priority was capturing that and then I'd go and finish off the rest. Do you think you're living it forever? I hope so. Yeah. Unless something terrible. You'd never sell it. No, I really know because we've built we've built stuff there now. There's like a studio in the garden. Oh, cool. My wife. Is that doodled? Yeah. But not by hand. It's got laser cut drawings. Oh, cool. These big metal doodles. Oh, wow. Looks cool, yeah. And we've sort of really settled with like, it would be not something I'd ever want to give up in the foreseeable future, yeah.

1:27:33Fair enough. I'm sure you've probably been asked this a lot, but what does your wife think of the house? She hates it. No, no, she loves it. Oh, my word. imagine that'd be awful but we're living there forever if she came home one day and just said this one wall needs to be white you you put a stop to that right put a stop to it um no well she's never really what she's she's really been so supportive of everything i've done really i can't think of anything really off the top of my head where she's gone i don't really wish you wouldn't do that right no like there's we're really on the same page um and uh it was kind of like the idea was almost like i would do kind of this doodle thing in the house and she would kind of design the garden and stuff so she's kind of more outside thinking of like what's planned out there she has a whole concept for the garden a sort of japanese garden theme with rocks and things like that and we have a really good relationship where we can we have a really good like sort of we're on the same wavelength as kind of what we want and stuff and she's always really loved having doodles there and think she she's i don't think she's ever kind of got bored or annoyed by it and stuff she she comes across great in the documentary yeah me and fee was watching it and we fell in love with her a bit as well the way she speaks about you and that she's really cool she's really cool yeah she's amazing yeah do you um do you ever consider renting the house out for people that want to do lsd in there because i think that would be the best can you imagine having i've never done lsd but i imagine that that's the kind of house you'd want to do it and seeing it all come to life that would be it'd be uh unreal um it's not something i'm planning

1:29:21finally sam um ai yeah it's coming and it's coming fast yeah and it's uh taken a lot of jobs and it's got a lot of big negative impact on the world and stuff we've had um a lot of people on this pod that we would consider artists in their own lane and the comedians and actors and footballers you are the literal definition of an artist and i think ai a lot of people say that ai is replacing art what's your opinion an actual artist's opinion on on ai um i think a year ago i was probably like oh this is okay like people if some people want to use this like go for it and like you know some people who don't feel like they can draw or make things they use ai and they make what they want to make and you can't really say like that's wrong i guess but now like it's got it's got really good like it's really really good and now quickly as well isn't it yeah yeah and it's not it's it's a it's a kind of uh i'm not saying it's a bad problem but it is a problem for people because like people have to compete with that you know like i put videos of me drawing stuff onto the internet and it's up against like queen elizabeth doing a rap battle and i don't know how like like it's really it's and it's that new new world and i and i think it is really progressing i don't know how it's gonna like end or where it's gonna get to um I guess you could, in theory, now you're so well-known online, you could prompt ChatGPT to say, design a skyscraper that has Mr.

1:31:02Doodle doodles all over it, and it will show you an image that looks like that. Obviously, it's not going to scratch an itch for you because you like the physical act of doing the doodles. People can go online and see it. Are you against AI? no um no i wouldn't say i wouldn't say i'm against it because i've enjoyed the like queen elizabeth stuff as well but i think it's it it's just something to bear bear in mind i think uh it's good i mean for me like i like doing live performances and stuff and at the moment there's i haven't seen that replicated in a real form like i haven't seen robots do that and i don't know what the hunger is going to be from people whether they end up seeing all this stuff and just kind of end up switching off because they don't know what's real anymore yeah and their internet off yeah and then if they need to go out and they i at least i can still go out and draw for people and stuff but yeah it's really i i think it's quite unpredictable like how it's going to be um but i wouldn't i don't like being like kind of against stuff and going this must you know there's a should be a law to stop this but i can see why people are getting like that because if you're i don't know elton john and someone's replicating your voice to make a song it's difficult because that's kind of that's their like living and yeah i don't know it's yeah funny one it's a good answer mate it's a good answer sam it's been a pleasure to have you on today thanks very much thanks for having me fascinating character with an amazing story and i could sit here and chew your ear off all day but I know you're probably itching to go back to doodling.

1:32:38I love it. What's next for Mr. Doodle? I'm doing a show in Madrid in a couple of weeks. It's at a Villazan gallery in Madrid. And there's a new show of my works there, inspired mostly by my son and what I was saying, you know, about him being expressive and stuff. And I've tried to adopt that with this new series of work. So that's what I'm going to be doing next year. That's really cool. and you have way more followers than us online but if some of our listeners don't know who you are where can they check out your stuff? It's just Mr Doodle on all social media really so that's what's to search, yeah.

1:33:15Love it. And the documentary's out now. Go and give it a watch. As I said numerous times, it's fascinating. Nice to meet your friend properly, Stevie. Oh, you're saying that to me, for you. Yeah, it's nice for me to meet your friend. Okay, yeah, that makes more sense. Yeah, it's nice. weird how the worlds have collided all these years on it is weird and apparently we'd met before like in a yeah was it in a nightclub was it I think so you were doodling I was I was on my phone but I think you yeah I'm sure yeah you guys were both there yeah I was around I don't know the nightclubs very well I didn't go out to many but I think it might have been is there one on a boat exactly yeah I think it was there wow and you were in there doodling Yeah, I think it was 2014 or 2015.

1:34:02Sounds about right. Yeah. Sounds about right. There we go. This has been Jackmates Happy Hour podcast with me, Jackmates, Stevie White and the brilliant Sam Cox, a.k.a. Mr. Doodle. Sam, we want two things from you. Okay. First thing is we want to know what you believe to be the meaning of life. Oh. And before we leave, we was wondering if you wouldn't mind doing a little doodle on our set to finish. Yeah, sure. He's been itching to me. Please let me. I didn't bring any pens there. I've got some. Oh, okay. I went on Amazon. But Sam, before we let you go, what is the meaning of life? I don't know.

1:34:34I think it's up to each person to work that out. For me, it's to doodle. So, yeah. There we go. Thank you. See you in a few days. Oh, mate, that was great. That was so good. Thank you very much, Sam. Cheers, mate. Thanks for coming in. No, definitely. I could have sat there for another hour. Yeah, it's so interesting. So, yeah, we're, All these things that are up on the set are from previous guests that they've given us or made for us or whatever. So yeah, it should be good to have a small piece of you on the set. I don't know what the pens are that Jack got. They're not the normal ones you use.

1:35:10They've got like a square nib on the end. Okay. But they are jumbo paint pens. Oh, cool. Nice one.

1:35:39. I'm a ****. Josh!

1:35:46That's the meaning of using audio in his way.

1:36:05It's so cool to watch. This is great. This is so fascinating. Thank you. And ever since someone drew so confidently, like you just go straight in, we put you on the spot with it and you've just gone with it. Pretty good at it, Bea. It's so cool. Yeah, you are, what I would say, pretty good.

1:36:27He's just happy he'll quietly let him draw, he's just forced him to talk for a while. Yeah. I thought you guys were going to ask me what liquid you want me to come out my fingers. Oh! We just need you to say Mark with them.

1:36:43Did you have an answer prep for that? I was still thinking about it. I was going to say ink was going to be one of the... Because you give people three choices, don't you? One for each finger. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, is that what it is? Yeah. Yeah, one for each finger on one hand. So you're farther than your four fingers. Oh, okay. You can pick which finger you want each one to come out of as well. Oh. Yeah, I only had one sort of solid answer, really. I wouldn't want to drink out of my finger. That's what I'd struggle with, I think. Like, if it was a drink, if it was a liquid that I could drink, I don't know if I'd won it.

1:37:22Yeah, yeah.

1:37:35Have you got anything else on today, or is it just back to Ken? Back to Kent after this, yeah. I'm mesmerised with it.

1:37:50How quickly is that wall going on eBay?

1:38:05So are you literally just seeing where it goes, Sam? Yeah. Yeah. Like a planet or anything, really. Yeah.

1:38:22Is your wife any good? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Not so much, she doesn't really doodle so much, but she does make art and things. She calls it a Ukrainian sort of, she describes it as like naive art. It's like folk art. Yeah, it's really cool. She does some really amazing pictures of, sometimes it's like plants or people and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah, she seems lovely in the dark, doesn't she? Oh yeah, me and Jack both absolutely fell in love with her. I think she's, you know, you clearly are a brilliant team. Oh nice one. I think that comes out really well in the dark. Well thank you. I've just sent a photo of you doing that to Mattius.

1:39:08Oh okay. And he just wrote, fuck yeah, tell him I said hi. Oh nice one, tell him I said hi too. How's he doing? Yeah, I think he's doing alright, he's bald now. He's pulled now. He's pulled. He's pulled. He just works for his dad now. Okay. Oh, right. What is his... A contractor. Oh, right. So he's like a proper manly man, these days. Manly man. But still Mattius. Fair enough. Weirdly, he's just messing with me, saying, remember when he was trying to get to a million doodles? Oh, wow. The thing... Yeah.

1:39:52He's literally said exactly what I said, remember when he'd be trying to get to a million doodles and he'd just be doodling on an app or chatting on the bus.

1:40:04He's just a great guy. Oh nice one. Do you ever feel compelled to colour them in or is that just not your thing? I don't tend to colour them in just because it's quite a different process to the drawing. it doesn't feel like doodling it feels like doing something different but I do draw in different colours sometimes I'll overlap them or draw this character in red and a different one in blue but I don't tend to colour them in too much you did a couple of coloured prints of uni didn't you? I think I remember some oh yeah I think there was some where I did some I'd like spot colours or little bits like that, but I kind of moved away from it a bit, I think.

1:40:56I guess if you don't really know what you're drawing, it must have been really hard to look at that and even know what colours things would be. But of some of those, I just wouldn't know what colour I'd make it. Yeah, but that's the freedom of art, isn't it? You just decide. Have you ever done it where you make it look like neon signs, where you draw white lines in the middle of the black lines, if that makes sense? Oh yeah yeah. To make it kind of look like an LED. Is that what it's called? Yeah I know the thing you mean. I've sometimes done that or I kind of draw like around the black line. Yes yeah.

1:41:31That's cool. Yeah. Are you good at like, could you like do other forms of art then Sam? Could you draw like a hyper-realistic flower or something like that? No no. Yeah I'd be not very good at that really. Could you draw like Crash Bandicoot and stuff? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I can draw sort of things if I looked at Crash Bandicoot, I'd be able to draw him kind of, but I'm not very good with like tones and sort of shading and stuff like that. Right. Yeah. That's so cool. That's a nice addition to the set, isn't it? Yeah. Nice one. Cheers, Sam. No worries. That's sick. Oh, that is so cool. I love it.

1:42:16Thank you so much. That's all right. Thank you, mate. No worries. That's so cool. Can we get a picture with you next to it, please? Yeah, sure. Amazing, Jack. You can take that. Yes. And I'll learn how to come to this. You're welcome.

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