627 - DICK BUSH - Top Porn Director Spills Secrets From Set - Fluffers, FAKE C*m, & Craziest Shoots!

0:00Hello guys, welcome back to another guest episode. Now, often on this podcast, we enjoy some laughs, we enjoy some emotional moments, and from every now and then, we learn something. Today, I learned what jizz is. I learned a lot. I learned what jizz is. You knew what jizz was. I learned what fake movie porn jizz is. Today on the show, we have a man who's basically called Penis Hair. What do you think about it? Dick Bush. Dick Bush. That's like a name he was born to go into that line of work. Genuine name as well. Dick Bush is a porn videographer, director, writer, all that good stuff. Works very closely with friend of the show, Rebecca Goodwin.

0:40And today we delve into his weird, wonderful world of man and woman, or woman and man and man. Just a lot of sex, a lot of smut, a lot of sex, and I feel a little bit dirty having done it. It was really funny, though. It was funny. It was funny. It was good. Funny. People in porn are always funny. Yeah, Danny D, brilliant. Rebecca Goodwin, brilliant. Elbrook. I won't, nah. You'll enjoy this one. Dick really gets the vibe of the show from the start. And yeah, like I said, I'm blown away. The jizz you see in real-life pornographic films is not real jizz. Blown away would be a good name for a porn fan.

1:21Yeah, we don't need to. We'll let him do that because he's good at it.

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2:36Shop at Macy's.com. Hello guys and welcome back to Jack Makes Happy Hour podcast. It's another Thursday and I'm feeling fruity. Why am I feeling fruity? What? Why are you asking me that? Well, actually, before we introduce the guest, what does fruity mean? Because I don't think I've said the right word there. No, fruity can mean what you're thinking it means. I'm feeling sexual today. I'm going to talk about some sex today. Okay, yeah, go straight down the line with it there. You know, a couple of years ago, we had our friend Rebecca Goodwin on the podcast. Have Rebecca Goodwin on? People loved her, don't they?

3:07We loved her, people loved her. Now, I think it would be safe to say this guest, this man that's looking at me, This very mysterious, handsome man that I had has worked with Rebecca on numerous times because today on the show we have Dick Bush, who's a porn writer, director, all that good stuff, and has a brand new normal film coming out soon, which we're going to talk about. But Dick Bush, welcome to the show. Thank you. Thank you. How are you, mate? Great. I'm great. You're a cool guy. Stop it. You're a fruity guy. What does fruity mean? Have I used that in the wrong... Well, I think, doesn't it mean, you know, a little bit effeminate?

3:44I thought it meant like... Sexy. Yeah. Just generically sexy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, is it weird that, like, we've got so many sex questions we want to ask you today? Is that strange? Not really. I'm kind of used to it. Yeah. It's probably stranger for us. I'm going to try and make it as strange and weird and uncomfortable for you as I possibly can. We're both quite awkward. so I think you're going to be able to do that quite well do you remember when Rebecca gave us the infamous traffic cone gave us a few things I didn't like holding I'm already getting flustered you guys blindfolded you could touch them and then work out what they were there was a tentacle in there I think oh yeah and she never washes those things honestly that's what you were saying you got something in your eye didn't you well no they were just a bit sticky dick bush is that your real name uh speaking of sticky uh yeah yeah well richard bush it's like you were born to go into this line of work so have your parents ever explained that to you because they must have known what they're doing well i i think i was called richard because it was my granddad's middle name it was my dad's middle name as well and you can't i mean bush that's just i think back in the day they didn't think about that too much right maybe it didn't mean it yeah maybe dick didn't mean that in 1981 no it's like um queer meant something else back in the day didn't it happy happy so language is evolving all over the time but anyway welcome to the show and welcome to what i like to call dick the virgin table and that's because no one's ever had sex with it i'd like to think that most tables are virgin tables well weirdly you're talking to a guy who's had sex with quite a lot of weird things why are you bringing this up because if he's gonna say i'd like to think tables happen jack used to shag his mattress right hang on but there's a reason why you bring that up because everyone shagged the mattress right right picture shagging a mattress how inadvertently maybe yeah so you're naturally thinking you're on top of the mattress maybe maybe a bit of rubbing there this fella lifts up the mattress between the bed and the mattress what's wrong with that okay no i could i could understand that thank you you want a little bit of pressure yeah and he's he knows his way around

6:09mattresses and a plush football you do not have to do this let's just list all the things that's how much i like football he's openly said this on the podcast yeah but only when it's just me and my friends and i like dick he's a nice man but say that again can you click just that I'm feeling fruity I like Vicks

6:37Basically the table shaped like a V And as soon as we got it Jack started calling it The virgin table Which doesn't reflect well upon us I think Why not Because it's making it sound like Whenever it's me, you, Robbie We're not shaggers We're all in long term relationships Yeah it's why we're not shaggers it's better than calling it the under sex table implying that it needs more could do with more right dick dick we start with the same question every single episode um we want you to imagine a place called the happy hour hall of fame you can submit any item into this hall of fame to be forever immortalized what would you like to put in there um oh that is it's a tough one I think I'd like it to be one of the movies that I've made that probably no one is ever going to see ever again.

7:29Because, you know, limited release on DVD, once they've all bought, they're gone. So you've got a few of these knocking about, have you? Well, I have a few DVDs that I've made. but there are some films that I've made for, like back in the day for Television X or Playboy that I'm sure will just be never seen. Right. What, are they not on? They're not on the internet. Are they not? It was before internet streaming. What are we talking? What kind of stuff? What you got for me? Like Fresh Off the Bus, Fresh Off the Bus 2, Arscapades, Arscapades 2, Arse Harder, Arscapades 3, Missionary Impossible. How do you Arse Harder?

8:11that's a really great question thank you i'll draw a diagram it involves a mattress do you come up with the titles for these films i come up with a lot of them um rebecca who i work with now likes to come up with titles we had a recent movie which we've just filmed which comes out next friday on halloween it's our halloween special okay called Frankenstein. Good. And I said, let's do a Frankenstein parody. She's like, okay, if that's what you want to do, Dick Bush, that's what we're going to do. And I was like, yeah, we'll make you all fucked up and scars and everything. Like, oh, great. And she's like, what do we call it?

8:52And I'm like, I don't know. We both said, should we call it Spankenstein? Right. And then she was like, what about Wankenstein? So it was Spankenstein, then it was Wankenstein. and then someone I knew said, what about Frankenstein? That is super. I didn't think of that. I should have. That is how Jonathan Ross would say it as well, which is weird. That makes it weird, doesn't it? What's even weirder is he does sort of review movies occasionally and there is a big budget Guillermo del Toro Frankenstein movie coming out. So he will possibly be talking to his friends. Have you seen that Frankenstein?

9:27You're getting promotion there. Oh yeah, Rebecca Goodwin, love her. so um the javier hall of fame you can put one film will allow you one film which one are you gonna go for i'm gonna go for my first action movie porno that i did that was called girls with guns oh wow it's not available online i don't think um even if it is it probably won't be in 20 years time right and i'm super proud of that should we guess the plot well i guess stay with me here it's just an action movie it's gonna be girls with guns i've never you got it that's it that is the plot how important is the plot in these no i guess not very it depends it varies like with that one it's five different scenes it's an action scene no dialogue little shootout in different scenarios followed by sex for no reason oh when you said shootout i assumed that was part of a sex right i thought you were right right well we are going to dive into all sorts of sex later on but before that mr dick bush we have some quick fire questions for you that aren't sex related okay if you had to get a tattoo right now what are you getting and why batman because he's cool the whole full batman like full scale batman symbol symbol yeah yeah first guess to actually take these quick fire in about okay yes i tried to extend it yeah what is your death row meal we want to start at a main and a dessert um oh just a lovely spaghetti bolognese you know just something lovely like that makes you think of home and life is that what you want when you know you're when you're about to die yeah or maybe something with a lot of cream in it because i'm lactose intolerant so when i die it'll just i'll go out with a bang that's that's really spiteful everyone's like oh oh god what's happened i like it i like it so you've got your spaghetti bolognese well there's a cream on it yeah lots of cheese lots of cheese what you having for your starter and your main just a pint of milk do you know what i've started to think i'm lactose intolerant recently why how did you find out you were lactose intolerant i stopped eating dairy for a bit yeah just lost a little bit of weight right and then when i started eating it again i was like oh god i'm swelling up and farting like no one's business shit i'm lactose intolerant probably what what is it that clicked in your brain i'm just fighting loads at the minute i can't stop well what are you eating i can't stop so much cheese like i actually i'm not a big cheese guy but i'm drinking so much milk like the other day fiona said let's just try it don't have dairy tomorrow and then i add four bowls of crave and i'm on the top of bennifer that's an excessive amount i know it's mad i don't think anyone's ever eaten four bowls of cereal in a day well two to start your day two to finish and you should get that on a t-shirt two to start your day about anything yeah so i need to i need to sort of work out if i am or not and i'm drinking a latte now yeah the milkiest of coffee that's why you had oat milk right when did you find this out then about you i i started going to the gym right and my trainer there uh said here had try this um protein stuff and i was like oh my god i tried the protein shake and i am mostly sitting on the toilet now right and so he said you might be lactose intolerant try this version and that was fine and i just cut out a lot of dairy and suddenly i don't have a swollen stomach and i'm not farting all day okay i've just learned something i've literally this is my diagnosis give it a go and report back to us all right from now until next week when we do this show okay i'll have no dairy okay that's gone now so okay right okay um what's uh what's number one on your bucket list that you haven't ticked off yet um i'd quite like to go to australia okay okay melbourne sydney all over sure yeah i don't know never been there what makes you want to go there it's just a place i haven't been to have you been a bit have you traveled a lot with your work um with work to america a few times awards over there every year for a few years um i've shot in prague and i love public yeah nice yeah i didn't get to see a lot of the city though right mostly just in a studio filming people go at it but you know do you like koalas they're my favorite animals in the whole wide world yeah they are really nice it clingy what was the animal you saw over because you've been to Australia wombat fuck me I didn't know what they were until I saw one they are the weirdest type of bats well that's what I thought I thought maybe I thought you know a sugar glider like a bat with they name their animals the weirdest I know in Australia it's mad when I saw this wombat it was literally on its back like this and they're like a big you know what they are like a big beaver like a big and i was like what is that like i had to pick it up and you can barely pick up it's massive i had to that's what i was feeling who's forcing you to pick up a wombat but jack saw a massive beaver is like what is that and then uh finally well on on animals if you could ask any animal any question what would it be yeah probably if it could talk to you back yeah what is the meaning of life to which animal animal's gonna know that how why are you thinking that just because it's an animal that it doesn't think about these things suddenly it's got the power of speech and communication right right okay so all right let me ask you this what animal are you asking that to because you can only ask what one animal okay but but it can communicate with me right yeah it does understand what i'm saying yeah whatever question i'm asking it will understand it yeah so i'm asking an ant an ant yeah i want to know the ant an ant's perspective on universe and life okay does it even know that i exist i think you're gonna get a wasted answer that i think it's just gonna say carry big leaf fuck you okay and then finally dick we want you to put your hand in my bag of balls.

15:45Some would say a ball bag. And take out a question that's asked from a previous guest. Oh, okay. That ball's already empty. I had two this morning. What? What's happening? Sorry, this is not a prank show because that would be a terrible, terrible prank. I've got a solid ball. Right, what you got for us? This could be anything. really couldn't it i'm nervous what's your favorite animal and why oh three reasons who's that from jordan stevens okay from rizzle kicks uh favorite animal i really like a turtle they they seem really relaxed and just chill but you wouldn't want to talk to one if you got the opportunity no i don't want to talk to a turtle i just want to like look at it plus they're really good at like ninja skills i've seen are they oh fuck me i'm not with it today but yeah yeah are the turtles the one that can swim or can't swim they can definitely swim i think they can both swim tortoise can't swim can it swim i feel like i think one lives in water is on the land turtle turtle in sea turtles in find a nemo they are sick that's a great answer i love them yeah and they that yeah they're the ones that are like stoned aren't they all the time in finding nemo yeah my knowledge of reality they're not all stoned he makes sure they're all stoned if he comes if he comes across a turtle he's like because he's not stoned enough come here come here son my knowledge of animals is purely based on pixar films yeah i mean i convinced jack once that finding nemo was actually filmed in australia yeah and it took him a while to realize it's an animation yeah but i think what they did is they would have filmed the shots like under you know most of it's underwater you know ratatouille yeah right so that's in probably i'm not seeing it france italy italy probably what where are you going with this so they would have filmed they would have they would have got like the location it's france isn't it right yeah that france because they're eiffel tower's in it i imagine right so they're filming they They would film and then they will animate over the top of that, is what I'm saying.

18:05This is 90 % of my conversations with Jack. You think that when Pixar makes an animated movie, they take a film crew to the location where they want to set their animated movie and they film it. Right. And then they draw over. That's why they take like 10 years. What they just filmed. That's a good point. You're telling me that's not how they do it then. You know what I think? I think animators draw these things. Maybe. I was going to ask, could you come up with a name for a porn version of Ratatouille? And then I thought, is it wrong to do that to kids' films? I don't think it's wrong at all.

18:45If it's funny enough, it overcomes the wrongness. I feel like Ratatouille's a hard one. Shattertoe? Oh, what kind of porn do you watch? What the fuck are you doing? You could have done like Spaffatouille would have been better than Shattertoe. He only watches Scat for. All right, ratapooey. I've done it again! I don't know, how can you make it sex but not... Rutatooey. What's rut? Like rutting is like sexing. Is it? Yeah. I've never heard that in my life. Hey, well, now you know an extra word. Rutatooey. How would you use that in normal terms? You wouldn't say... I'm going to rut you tonight. Yeah.

19:24It's rutting season. Okay. It's rutting season. Where are you from, Dick Bush? Are you from Cambridge? Is that right? Yeah, born in Cambridge. What's your address?

19:40I was going to say, the stereotype of people from Cambridge is that they're very, very smart. Did you go to uni? Yes, but not in Cambridge. Oh, okay. I went to uni in Glamorgan in Wales. Glamorgan? I didn't know that was a real place. Well, I think a lot of Wales gets that. to be honest. Right. Yeah, Wales is a strange place. I lived about 10 minutes down the road from the university. Very hilly in Wales. Yes, very beautiful. I had to walk up a hill to get to the university. But then you got to walk down on the way home. Well, you think so, but if you walk a different way home, I'd still be walking up a hill.

20:19Something about Wales. I can't even work. That's fucked my brain up a little bit. That doesn't take much. It'll take you down, but you don't notice you're going down and then suddenly you're like i've got to go up i'm going up a hill to get back i just went uphill to go this way what what did you study uh media study media media practice okay so was the was the dream to be doing what you're doing now or did you sort of fall into that kind of line of work dream was to be a filmmaker i kind of wanted to be michael mann or quentin tarantino right i love quentin tarantino movies i like i don't know enough about like so stevie's got a letterbox account right that's even too far for me right i don't understand phil so so especially animated so when i was younger i used to always say quentin tarantino was my favorite director but i think that's what a lot of young men say is would you agree but also he's one of the best directors that there is right now what are your three favorite tarantino films um pulp fiction okay um oh django yeah brilliant film and once upon a time in hollywood okay i've still not seen it have you not loved that reswire dogs is my number one really cool film yeah love it and then django and then i'll probably go in glorious bastards nice yeah that's mine it's really difficult to pick because they're all so good yeah have you seen from dusk till dawn yeah that's weird isn't it it's a great it was my favorite film for a long time i'm a big fan of robert rodriguez who directed that right quentin wrote it yeah and started a co-starred in it yeah and his performance is so creepy in that film that is so did it so it was always to be um the dream was to always be a director you never wanted to be in front of the camera or anything like that when i was really young i did want to be an actor i was in all the school plays and stuff like that and when i got to my teens i would i would start making films with my friends and that's when i kind of fell in love with being behind the camera and and and filming right right well most people leave sort of like plugs and stuff to the end but this seems like a natural um way to to get this in you you're actually we're going to speak about porn and everything you've done in that over the last what 20 years something About 19 years.

22:46But you've actually got an actual film coming out. I don't know what the correct term, but like a normal actual movie coming out. Yeah, it's difficult. What do you call it? A mainstream feature film. Right, it's called Lost for Words, right? Yeah. You sent me the trailer to it. It looks pretty sick. Like the shots, I don't know. That's clearly being patronising, saying that to an actual director. But I was blown away. It looks really cool. And Rebecca acts in it. She has a small part in it, yep. And if the trailer's anything to go by, she can act. She can act. she can act right it's mad it's mad so when's the film out the film is out um it premieres on saturday at the cambridge film festival and um and then who knows what's going to happen with it we've got to find a distributor did you did you is this funded from yourself or how yeah i paid for it uh cost about 10 000 pounds to make not very much at all i've just used all of my skills that I've collected over the years making porn to produce a low budget film.

23:50Two people pretty much in one location, really small crew, just me, a guy with the boom mic and my producer, two actors and that's it. Was it weird for you? Because when you were filming it, were you just sort of at one point going, oh, now you should just fuck? I wasn't. No. what what what are the difficulties going like from a director's standpoint like are you worried that it won't be taken seriously because of your other work or is it i guess there's that their worry there but also i think the work speaks for itself like even when you watch the trailer you don't think oh this is someone trying to make a film you're like oh wow this this looks like a proper movie yeah yeah but then does it but then even that like like i guess it's going off what stevie said but does that feel offensive then to you do i mean the fact that my reaction is like oh you can actually make films like that is what you've been doing for 20 years but yeah so does that feel a little bit like you're on the back foot already uh no because i'm i i expect that from people who know me for for one thing right but then it's been really nice when people have seen the film and they don't know who i am they just talk to me about the film and go oh wow it's so great i loved how you did this and i loved how you did that right and they're having a proper film-like conversation with me and it's like it's nice yeah yeah i bet is your director name still dick bush or are you richard bush for that i'm rick bush yeah shout out this guy i love i love that i love the thought of someone just being a big fan of your back catalogue and stumbling upon this new film yeah and not knowing that it's like what they're thinking is going to happen.

25:31They've just got their cock in their ass. The longest build-up. Are there any sex scenes in it? Spoilers. Right. But it's hinted at, but we don't see anything. Okay, so cock in their hand will just stay there. Yeah. Yeah, if someone does that, especially because Rebecca's in it, if they think, oh, wow. And they're like, but then I like the idea that maybe they really get into it and then they start crying at the end and it's all emotional. and I've taken them on an emotional journey. And they put their cock away and they go off to think about their life. You would look at life a whole different way if you spent, how long is?

26:11It's an hour and a half. So you spent an hour and a half. Cock in hand. Ready to go to then to go, you know what? Not today. What's more of a surprise? If you watch a film and then it just happens to be a poem or if you watch a poem, but it's not, it's just a normal film. What's more of a surprise? I think the other way around. what if you watch porn and then if you're yeah if you're going in to try and watch porn it just happens to be if i clicked on um stepsister gets head stuck in um washing machine and then she got her head stuck in the washing machine she called her repairman he'd come around just helped her get help and then she carried on that yeah that would be weird exactly i wouldn't know how to feel that's a frustrating watch that is so how we normally ask our guests how they sort of so if if we had like a like a chef on i would say how into food were you before you worked with with are you trying to ask him how much he watched porn before yeah your career is porn did you love porn before you got into porn or i wouldn't i wouldn't i didn't choose to to go into porn like it just kind of happened i i graduated from the london film school and a colleague of mine was had found work at this porn production place called Relish in London.

27:28And he was in the term ahead of me. And he said, why don't you come for an interview to be an assistant editor? You probably won't get the job, because there's lots of other people going for it with more experience. But it's a good experience to have a job interview. And I was like, at the porn place? Come on, dude. What am I going to do? He's like, come along. He's like, okay. And I ended up getting the job. But I wasn't expecting to get the job. You were doing it for, like, experience. Yeah. Right. But then you shouldn't say no to work when you've just graduated from film school, because everyone in our class all just started working for free, because that's what you do in the industry.

28:04You start as a runner and you just work for free. And this was a paid job. And I was like, okay. And I just, they just, two weeks into the job, they got me filming. I was a cameraman then. Wow. And then a few months later, they were like, do you want to direct something? I was like, okay. I feel very fast. Yeah, a little bit. In a deep end. So how old were you? I was 25. 25. So were you always quite a confident person? I assume it takes some confidence to go into this line of work, doesn't it? A little bit, yeah. Because I couldn't do it. Especially directing. You've got to know what you want out of a scene.

28:44But how do you know that when you're not from that world? Do you know what I mean? You have to learn pretty quickly, right? Yeah. But then, so I was filming. Yeah. I remember filming my first ever porn scene. Go on. Star Wars, The Mandalorian and Grogu is now streaming on Disney+. What are you waiting for? Hop on. The must-see galactic adventure comes home on Disney+. This is the way. Our only chance is to work together. I like this, kid. Always wear your seatbelt. Star Wars The Mandalorian and Grogu now streaming on Disney+. Read PG-13. At ZocDoc, we know you care about your health. You wouldn't do that early morning cardio if you didn't.

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30:54He loved his close-ups. He was, like, shoving me into this. and i'm like oh jeez i'm like are you sure it's like yeah that taught me okay just come in for this and you you do it a number of times and when people get into certain positions you go this is the the shot right this is the shot get a quick shot of the face reaction or penetration do that one more time and it goes great little reaction shot no big bigger reaction perfect and then over here wide shot and you just you just know exactly what to do is there quite a lot of talking going on in the room then like yeah yeah if you don't know the actors too well uh you do just say um yeah i'll just do that one more time i was moving the camera can you just move your leg or this and that and you make sure everyone's okay you we tend to take photos of all the positions beforehand so everyone knows which position they're going into and everyone's comfortable with what we're doing right but But after a while, I worked with Danny D for so many years.

32:00Oh, he's a good friend of the show, Danny D. And we know each other so well. He knows exactly where I'm going to be as a camera guy. And I know exactly all the positions he's going to go in. We even have this move that we do. What? We have a move. So you holding camera him in positions. He's, you know, doing his thing. He will pull out his cock and I will get right near his hip. and then I and he will start pushing it in like this and I will just go with his cock like this so it's like a POV like his cock is coming over the screen but it's like like this going in and we look at each other and we'll and I'll just be going and okay yeah yeah what was what was that moment the first time you guys did that was that a pre-planned thing No, I just did it.

32:50And he looked at me like, he looked at the camera and was like, okay. And we just started doing it in every scene that we shot. Fucking hell. Your day-to-day must be absolutely insane. It definitely used to be. I don't work with Danny anymore because Rebecca poached me from Danny. So do you work, do you work like, do you have, how does it work? You work specifically attached to one actor or actress? Or is it companies? Yeah. um so when i was working for danny he would hire me i was freelance and he would hire me to shoot all of his stuff for brazzers and digital playground right and then rebecca said will you come and shoot stuff for me and then and eventually i was like i'm doing so much work for rebecca yeah i might have to stop doing this right and he was like please don't who's gonna do work yeah who's gonna do this has he lost that shot now or is he trying to get someone to replicate i don't know i i think if someone tried to replicate it he would just feel sad and just be like that's not how dick bush does so you so you go for you go for this uh job that you didn't think you were going to get and you you land the job you start working within within a few weeks you're already shooting um we know obviously the way the world's moving quickly at the moment i I think sex workers are now seen in a less sort of more judgy way than they were sort of 10, 20 years ago.

34:19Did your family judge you for working in that field back then or what was the perception of your family? There wasn't too much judgment. My mum just sort of, whenever people ask, what's Rick doing now? She would say, oh, he works in the film industry. Oh, really? Doing what? and she'd be like oh just films and then change the subject very quickly my dad was just happy that i had a job because anyone who says i want to make films when they're a young guy i think my dad was just thinking that he was going to be paying for me for the rest of his life yeah so he was pretty happy that i just had work um but now no generally not no judgment right because i've been quite successful yeah and won awards and things yeah for making adult movies which is crazy but that's the but that's you're obviously the best at what you do and and for me like if i do a particularly good interview or have a hero of mine on um i will go back and show my dad my work i guess you can't do that i thought you were gonna say i go out and buy myself an award i would not put it past me to be fair but yeah i guess you can't you can't show off your good work when i used to edit all of the the brazzers movies the big digital playground movies that we used to do i used to do a secret cut of the movie without any sex in so it was just like a little half hour short film and i would show my family yeah i made an edit of our doctor who movie that I did with Danny and some other big movies that I did.

36:00What, and they're just stored on your computer somewhere? Yeah, they're just on a hard drive. So you've created these genuine cock-in-hand, nothing-happening movies. Yeah. They're out there as well. Has your job ever affected any relationships of yours or anything like that? I don't know. So it definitely made me more confident because I always had something interesting to talk about. Yeah. I guess. And I'm always very open about it. Yeah. I don't ever try and conceal it. Right. And I think the people I attract just like the honesty. Yeah. And like you said, it's a lot more mainstream these days.

36:40Right. And because I work with Rebecca, who's kind of beloved in the industry, and by her fan base, it's like I get a pass. Right. right it's like oh he's he's a nice guy he puts rebecca's stuff this is this is a weird what i know what my question is here but i don't know how to word it right so you're obviously you went to film school right you've got a passion in it you've got this is your art this is your craft right is there a way where i imagine what you do would be like the perfect job for some creepy people that don't have a passion for oh yeah i'm sure they do do that oh is that yeah that's what you think people some people get into to that line of work for the wrong reasons oh yeah 100 really yeah how can you filter those people out or is that just too it's i like to think of it as the same as driving okay right someone can get a driving license but they're always going to be a bad driver yeah you know and it's the same with don't look at me when you say that because i'm feeling attacked because i'm the worst driver you will ever see and it's the same in the industry Like you can get, anyone with a video camera can just say, I'm going to start on OnlyFans and I'm going to start shooting porn now.

37:56Right. Come to my house and suck my willy. Here we go. I'm filming it. Therefore, I'm a professional. Right. But are you? Yeah. Like there's a, and it's up to the people working in the industry. Like, okay, well, what have you done? Who have you worked with? Why are you trustworthy? but there are like everyone in the industry does chat to each other and we say hey have you worked with this person what are they like and we always sort of do checks like that that's something that we learned when we interviewed danny and like rebecca just how safe kind of like these set these shoots are now as well even when it comes to like the um like the testing and stuff like that it is a very controlled environment now isn't it yeah yeah because you don't know what other people are doing i think for a jack and stevie video we need to go and go on a porn set i wouldn't know where to look i feel so uncomfortable it's okay i'll tell you where to look it's go okay move in

38:56so what was your what you take us back to your first day on on a set when you're when you're there you've got has a big and behind her yeah what what what's what scene are you shooting how prepared were you were you feeling nervous that was a movie called fresh off the bus okay and uh yeah i was a little nervous because i also had this steadicam rig attached to me the reason they got me in as a camera guy was because i said oh i've got this steadicam rig and they were like i don't know how to use a steadicam do you know how to use this no i don't know do you do you want to come and shoot this film okay so i've got this big rig which is overkill for the kind of thing that we're filming called fresh off the bus but i've got this whole rig with a little a tiny camera on top of it and were you on a bus no the idea is they're just new in town oh we've picked them up right off the streets and they're getting a makeover and then a guy comes in and has sex with them no bus at all false advertising that yeah yeah and and so how do you how do you but to answer your question it's you're you're a little bit removed from a situation because you've got a screen in front of you and and i'm just looking at this checking the framing yeah and i distinctly remember looking up from the screen and then realizing oh there are two people just going at it like six foot in front of me this is the weirdest thing right and then you go just back to the screen and suddenly you're removed from it does it feel way less sexual than you'd expect yes yeah especially when it yeah because it's a bit stop start and especially when i'm directing you'll say wait do that again do this and that's not very sexy if you start doing that if you feel like if you guys were having sex in your own personal lives and i were to just come in into the room and go sorry just do that one more time i'd go yes i gotta go again move your leg no i can't see just that's it really open up no no make it uncomfortable uncomfortably like open up yeah yeah that isn't it it's not gonna be very sexy so does it almost feel like you're not watching porn when you're learning no no it's no the edit is everything yes yeah yeah but this is this is a weird question but i i think people out there hopefully will be thinking the same thing when you're new to that world and you're on how do you not get aroused yourself or does that ever happen the smell okay you need to go into detail with the smell what are we what are we talking about sometimes are we talking what fausty like that's a word isn't it foisty that's when you've made a deal with the devil well it kind of is is it foisty is that a word foisty yeah sometimes you walk into the room where we're shooting maybe they've done the pictures beforehand yeah the sex pictures and you walk in ready to film and you're like oh wow smells like sex in here but yeah i don't know like there are smells with sex sometimes yeah i just think if i was filming that i would probably have an erection you know he said about the bad drivers you'd be one of the bad drivers in the industry yeah i'm imagining you filming and just being like yeah come on girl yeah that is and then you're just i mean the editor is looking at the content and it's just like the ceiling it's just like he's holding down at his shoes but the difference is there you're implying that i'm confident i'm not confidence i'll be going oh but i still have a little erection i shouldn't have said little what's uh what's an assumption that people often have about your job that's completely not true um i think that that we're creepy in some way i guess like someone says oh he's a porn director i think you sort of think of 1970s sleazy but maybe these days is you or maybe even think is there such a job as a porn director these days because everyone just films it themselves for their only fans yeah porn is very different these days right right and when you say these days that's even as recent as the last five years or something yeah how has that impacted what you do well i had to change my business model so i was so now i work with rebecca we shoot her content and it's and it's content and it's uh social media and it's planning stuff to do on instagram on youtube and then also designing a movie that we make that we can also put the acting bits on youtube and on social media and make a fun safe for work trailer we recently made a movie called horassic park good and that's her biggest movie that we've done so far uh three sexy scenes in there and we had giant 50 foot tall porn stars chasing jeeps and what are you doing that cgi no we did it in camera how do you have a forced perspective so i'm filming it from quite a low angle we have people in the distance uh standing outside of the jeep looking up into the distance going oh wow she's huge and then i've got a porn star a little closer to me so she looks bigger in the frame right and then when when they're all lined up it all just looks it's just you know movie magic but people have been doing that for over 100 years well this is something i wanted to talk to you about actually because i was i was we having this conversation on the way up i listened to you on um lad bible like the honesty box which i thought was super interesting um and you were speaking on that one thing i never realized about your job and um i mean we're in this kind of like not porn but we're in the line of work where we understand that not everything that's on camera is real and blah blah blah but i was actually surprised when you said that there's like solutions that are like fake jizz that like so like not all the jizz you see in porn is is real like and then i started to think to myself well of course that makes sense in a movie they don't eat like ice cream it'll be like mashed potato because it would melt under the lights and stuff like that well they're lactose intolerant so what are some what are some other things like so so what do you i guess the first question there is what is jizz not what dig bush dig bush what what is jizz what do you use yes come here jack let me show you come and sit on my lap we use this lube called liquid silk right as a fake jizz for pictures sometimes you know kind of sprinkle it on boobs or whatever sometimes we'll shoot two scenes in a day the guy doesn't want to do two cum shots so for the first ending you can always fake a cum shot yeah sometimes my preferred way of faking a cum shot is having the girl suck his dick.

46:17Yeah. And then he pretends to cum and then we cut and then we fill her mouth with liquid silk and then she puts it back in and I come in for a slightly more close-up shot. We go, action. And she goes, mm-mm, and it all dribbles out. And it's like, whoa, that looks really real. Right. So you might see in the huge amounts of porn films that you do watch, guys, sometimes there'll be a cut right before the cum shot and if you don't specifically see it jizzing out of him maybe it's not real I remember a couple, 20 odd years ago now there was a TV show on that was like, do you remember this? where there was the magician who had the mask on that was revealing the magician's secrets, he got a lot of hate from other magicians yeah but that's the magic circle isn't it?

47:06do you not feel like you're ruining porn for everyone now dick push i don't give a fuck are you also faking these shots is it only in an edit that you can do that is there if you see it happening is that definitely happening yeah we've we've faked some cum shots before to make it look like it's coming out we've had little squeezy things we've had a little tube the guys held the tube under his cock and i'm filming from above and then you squeeze the jizz and it we've also done that with like syringes as well just kind of sometimes you'll you'll just do a syringe from off screen and you'll just just squirt it on sometimes it will get the guy to hold it underneath his cock and then kind of press it press it himself and it's movie magic what why would a guy not want to do it twice in a day just going back to the I love that's been on your mind that's been on my mind that's been on my mind because we want to get these two scenes done like quickly so two, don't have time in between yeah so it depends how much time he needs between scenes and if he does it the first time and he comes properly if we're like okay we're going to shoot the second scene in half an hour you're going to be okay he's like yeah yeah definitely and then actually no it's like a really shitty scene because he's just come half an hour ago how often are shoots ruined or made more difficult because the guy can't do what you need him to do because obviously the guys it'll obviously they're professional so they probably don't struggle as much as the average guy uh it'll it'll happen um it doesn't so much happen with professional porn stars the guys who work for the big porn companies they're just really good at their job that's what they get paid for in the only fans community it'll it'll happen a lot more just because they're not they're not technically professional porn stars they're content creators i guess there's a divide there yeah um most guys are fine but it'll happen like it'll happen like sometimes we've shot in really cold places and then i'm realizing oh god i should not have just set it here or it's the wrong time of year to shoot in this location um but i've been spoiled by working with danny for so long because danny will just he's just magic really right yeah because this is another thing i heard in your lad bible interview which i i really put it into perspective a lot of lads and i don't mean the kind of like knobheads or in the pub lads like that they would assume that they could do this job like oh yeah it's so easy just get the fuck bones on a set like that but it must there's a there's like you're saying there's a skill to it right a real real skill to it yeah there's a difference between having sex with someone but then being told okay we're gonna start in 10 minutes i need you with a rock solid direction let me know when you're ready and there's pressure on to have that and then me telling you okay yeah not like that do it like this okay yep one more time hold on i'm just gonna come in for a quick photo that's great just hold it still like this and just taking instructions and right like it's not all just having fun for yourself if it feels good then it doesn't probably doesn't look good really yeah because you want the guy to open up so because it's all for the camera like not for them it's for what the camera sees so if you're in like a doggy position you'll notice that the guy is like opening up like this and he's doing this but it probably doesn't feel all that great right god it must when you really like deep it must be the the hardest job to go to when you're not feeling like doing your job yeah because you're expecting your body to be able to do things it's going to be quite strenuous as well isn't it yeah if we don't if we're not in the mood to do a podcast ultimately we have to sit here and have a conversation yeah so you can you can just sort of you can just sort of have a laugh with your mates can't you talk but if i said to you now get an erection in 10 minutes i've had one this whole time i think you've answered this probably loads of times in your career but is a fluffer a thing A fluffer is not a thing.

51:22I've witnessed people getting fluffed occasionally by their girlfriend who's on set. Or one time a guy was struggling to finish the scene and had to go call his girlfriend and have her on the phone saying things to him as he was like... Really? Really in order to... that's weirdly quite sweet though isn't it yeah i can't do it without you babe what's what's been the worst thing you've ever witnessed on a on a set probably someone shitting themselves all over all over someone's crutch in uh in the cowgirl position probably was that in shatter two that was a shatter three what you just had just done a poo she she had it was an anal scene this was in ask a page to ask harder she asked too much uh she had douched so you know it's the cleaner yeah well clean yourself and she had never used one before so what actually is that then is that a little thing you put up your bum it's it's like yeah or your you can get a vaginal douche as well i use it for either but it's just a tube of like saline solution that you kind of put up there and just washes you out right okay using a bidet or something okay i picture it to be like a turkey baster for some reason yeah it's like a like a big pipette like a yeah you yeah i'm sure they come in all shapes and sizes and different designs and stuff but that's basically it yeah yeah and she had just kind of squirted all this water up there but then just kind of left it all up there so when it came to do the scene it was all just kind of sloshing around and then she kind of came off the cock and all just went fuck and yeah we all went oh wow oh wow oh my god and the guy was like oh that's okay like trying to lift her up by her legs oh god like he was like dripping her like did you get anything on you no no fucking hell i said it out then in it that's not making the final yeah yeah yeah this is such a different world isn't it it's so you just imagine it to be this pristine polished environment from start to if if say there was like you're working on a top porn video for one of the top production companies and you're making a 15 minute video right how long would she be on set for for something like that oh it's a day really yeah i mean for like a brazzer scene we shoot for it's a half an hour scene that we end up getting edited approximately right but it's it's a it's a day thing like everyone arrives about nine o 'clock and everyone leaves about five or until we're done and it's makeup for an hour and then it's glam photos with the girl and and I'll shoot storyline video and then lunch and then pictures of the sex and then sex video.

54:35Fucking hell. And that's a day. When you say makeup, is that traditional makeup or would they ever put a bit of gloss on the cock? They never put a bit of gloss on the cock. I like to think that that should be kind of natural. How matte is your penis?