634 - SOPHIE LLOYD - Machine Gun Kelly’s Guitarist on Tour Bus Antics, Flashing Travis Barker, & What MGK Thinks Of THAT Picture…

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33:01Propel hydrates better than water to help you get the most out of your workout and get back to your best self. What propels you? Propel with Gatorade electrolytes. It's good because your whole life is music, but I also think it's very easy to, it can suck your inspiration away. In what way? What, people saying this is how you should do it? Exactly, yeah. You're sort of forced to play stuff you don't necessarily like that you don't find inspiring. And they really try and shape you into like a session musician, which is basically you're just playing other styles of music. Like you're not really focusing in on exactly what you wanted to do.

33:36Because I love playing, like what my love was like lead shred guitar, so all the silly techniques and stuff you don't really need right if you want to be a good guitarist but that was what I loved doing and I was sort of told to like push that to the side so you said a session guitar session musician yeah you're are you the opposite of that then no well at the moment I kind of am a session musician what does that mean dumb that down for me it's basically a session musician will be someone who goes an artist would hire and to go and play their music so I'm currently a session musician for MGK oh okay right but I'm also kind of in his band so it's a little bit of a crossover but like some like you could be just a session musician that goes into you're with MGK one day you're with uh whoever ABBA the next day do you know what I mean the weirdest you're Tom Grennan I see his album do you know I mean the day after like you just got to play a bunch of different varieties so you've got to be really versatile okay in lots of different genres and stuff so you can play you can read music all of that sort of stuff.

34:33I can't read music. Oh really? And so, so do you, so do you write, do you write lyrics? Not so much. Like I, I recently did, well not recently, I guess it came out two years ago now, but I did an album called imposter syndrome, which had, was, had loads of lyrics on it. Right. And you wrote them. No, I didn't write them. So I, I worked with a bunch of different artists. So each song has a different artist on it. We listened to it on the way up. Yeah, I don't know. That's good, it's good. We thought it was you singing it first. Really? Yeah, then... Oh, there's a lot of male voices. Yeah, that was one of them.

35:09You sounded really good. Thank you. She must smoke, she must smoke. How are you writing a song with, like, because obviously the album's yours and you've got all these ideas. Are you doing the guitar element and then sending it to them or are you doing it at the same time? So we kind of, me and my husband, Chris, he also does, he's my drummer and producer and everything. We write basically a glorified backing track, if you know what I mean, like kind of come up with all the riffs and ideas and the drums. And then we went into the studio, recorded it all and had it had like the guitar solo in. And then I would message some singers I wanted to work with on Instagram.

35:44And because I had a profile already and it was during COVID, a lot of them said yes, which I was very surprised at. and I'd send them the song I'd tell them like kind of what I wanted it to be about which was this idea of imposter syndrome and anxiety and stuff and a lot of them kind of resonated with that and we'd have a conversation they'd take parts of that conversation that I'd say to them or that I'd have put in the email and put that into their lyrics and they'd kind of write the melody that goes on top and then they'd send it to me and I'd say oh I don't like that bit could you change that can I put this in here and we'd kind of collaboratively kind of turn it to think that's the final part and then I don't even ever like even meeting them yeah it was all done online like wow yeah which was it was interesting like I I really enjoyed it and I think it was good for where I was kind of mentally at the time because I did have a lot of anxiety I don't think I would have been ready to be in the studio if you know what I mean with people that I so greatly looked up to if you know what I mean I felt like I didn't like deserve to be there I think online you get this kind of barrier right whereas now I'm like I'm really ready to like get into the studio with people and if I was to do another collaborative thing I definitely wanted to be in person how how did it feel telling someone you look up to that you don't like something they've done how are you going not a fan of that sucks but you're amazing no luckily that didn't happen much like you know it was all kind of like oh maybe you could do this line instead it's like oh maybe you could say it like this or could you go up at the end instead could you replace that word with this word like it was kind of minor tweaks like yeah the professionals and that was amazing what they came up how see i'm really confused how do you write music then so you're because i i imagine and i'm so not clued up with any kind of music but i imagine like so like this is how i would do it if i okay just if you need help for your next album no i do i've been i've been wondering yeah so i'm i just imagine i'm a cool budding guitarist okay right and i've got a guitar and then i think i think right this tune's good turn the recorder on and then I'll go and do it but then say I have no guitar how are you getting how are you writing music does that make sense how am I getting music on a bit of paper honestly you pretty much that was it you did it it's fucking easy that's my job exactly do you write do you write sheet music for your stuff or is it just music that's it no you don't really need to these days because you just record it all on logic and like you know you can write it down like tabs or something but I ours was just all recorded and we hear it by ear if we need to remember it I think music is the subject I know the least about yeah like the production of it and stuff like that yeah it's it is quite it's what I think you don't no one really needs to know much about unless you're in it you know I'll be honest and I'm not making this up yeah when you sent me the list over yeah and I read it I was at the darts yesterday I was like scanned it and I read it I read it as shed version and I thought that meant you were doing like an acoustic version in your shed that's a good idea though I quite like that shred in a shed it's a new season so what is what is shred is that just like a rock version of a song then shred is kind of like a guitar terminology like it's kind of like guitar slang just for playing super fast so like you know just like the super fast techniques where it's loads of notes shoved into one.

39:00It's like different techniques like sweep picking and tapping and all of that. What's sweep picking? It's when you play really fast. It's when you like sweep the pick down the strings and it goes like loop. You kind of play an arpeggio. I'm so confused. I was going to say I'm not sure how to explain it without Would it be possible to do the happy hour jingle as a shred version? Oh yeah. Wait, I should do that. That would be cool. Could you do that? Yeah, I could do that. If you could do that, we'll play that at the start. Okay, I'm going to do that. How's that going to sound? Let me do it. Hey, what is the jingle?

39:31Your face looks so shocking. Hey, what is the jingle? How would it do you? Maybe you do it. Well, I can't like sing it. I'd have to play it. That's why I don't sing. Well, I've heard you do hate to do it. Okay. Okay. So it'd be like...

39:48That's good. It's like there was a budgie in the room. Yeah. But it is good. That's pretty much what Shred is, yeah. Right, right. I sounded like... I was expecting more like a... But you are adding all these extra notes. Yeah, there'll be a lot of that. But there'll be that underneath as well. We'll do the heavy stuff underneath. I'm so excited. I'm well excited for this next question. I was buzzing when I thought of this. Can you teach us, not how to play guitar, obviously not, right? I used to slap at the recorder. That was about it. Oh, impressive. But can you teach us how you should properly do an air guitar?

40:19Oh, okay. Yes. Because I'll do this. Should I show you my next one? Yeah, I was going to say, show me where you're at. I'll go.

40:30Especially, it's not too bad. Right, okay. You've got, firstly, you've got the right hand. Well, are you right-handed? Yes, yes. Yeah, you've got the right hands doing the right things. You're in the right position. Right. Like, you're halfway there. I think the thing about air guitar, it's less about, more about the passion. You've got to be running around the room. You've got to be holding it above your head. Right. You know, it's 99 % moves, really. 1 % right notes. That's what I would say. I've got that in my locker. I think you do, after a couple baby Guinnesses. If you were to play air guitar, this is such a stupid question, but if you were to play air guitar for a song, you know how to play on guitar.

41:00Yeah. Are you airing the correct notes? Yeah, I am. And that's always like an issue. That's why I'm like so bad at Guitar Hero because I know the song in real life. So it's like you want to play it, but the buttons are so confusing. Yeah. So yeah, it's like, because like a lot of guitar, guitar ring, I don't know if that's the right word. I said electrical guitar. Yeah, electrical guitar ring. Neither of us know. Yeah, no one knows. You should know. If I'm honest, that's your livelihood. It's all muscle memory, you know. Yeah. It's kind of, it's in your brain, you know. you shouldn't have to think about it too hard.

41:30That's odd because I think if I was like doing some acting and I was pretending to type, I wouldn't pretend to type any word. I'd just do that. But you're actually, your fingers are actually going in the same. Yeah, well, more or less, obviously. Yeah, you can't really. You'll try and do the same shapes. If you know there's a sweep, you'll do a little sweep. I think if I told you just to pretend to type, you'd do that. But if I said pretend to type a sentence, like happy hour is the best, I think your brain wouldn't actually start going into the right place. Probably. So when you're pretending to play a song, you are playing a song you know.

42:00Yeah. Yeah, I think so. What are some skills you need to be a good guitarist? I think, obviously, being able to play with a guitar is helpful. For one. Nice question, though. Let me write that down. Being able to play. I'd say there's a few different. Like, I'd say, you know, sort of patience and being able to kind of sit there for a long time with a metronome or whatever, clicking, and being able to just enjoy the process of learning something and it taking a while and be patient. I think to be able to be a good guitarist and be a good performer are also two separate things. To be a performer, you need to be able to do everything you can do sitting down but do it running around the room, holding the guitar above your head, doing silly tricks in between, and that's a whole other skill.

42:46Do you like this when people come to see you live? Yeah, so I like to really put on a show and sort of be able to move around and hit poses and stuff and being able to play things in a certain pose is different. So you need to practice that side of things and just be entertaining as well with what you play. And obviously you need to be creative. You'd want to try and carve your own sound in the industry. Do you know what I mean? Otherwise everyone can just sound the same. But when you hear, at least for a guitarist, I don't know whether you guys might feel the same, but if you would hear a song with Slash in it, you'd know it's Slash.

43:18If you hear a song with Eddie Van Halen in it, you know it's Van Halen. They have Yngwie Mamsa, you know it's them. They have a signature style. and that's kind of I think what every guitarist is trying to achieve is their own signature sound so when you hear it you're like I know that's that person I know that's that person so your fans out there they'd know as Sophie Lloyd I'd like I'd like to think so yeah but you know how would you define your sound I think I would like I'd use the word shred again it's sort of shreddy but it's also quite uh melodic I always try and find like a melody that someone can connect to but has lots of shreddy bits around it it's like tonally it's like quite warm it's kind of like a mahogany kind of tone which is the wood a guitar is made out of it just makes means it's like a warmer kind of rounder tone rather than like a spanky kind of tone you'd get with a fender and when you're learning these shred versions yeah are you shed versions sorry get it right are you doing it by ear and just kind of figuring it out yeah so when i'd write them i'd listen to the song um And then I'd work out the melody and what scale is being used and the kind of what chords are being used in the kind of theory or harmony that the song is using.

44:26And then I would take that, take the melody and then just add some of the notes around it, you know, that kind of. So I'm always landing on that, the note that the melody hits, like the root note or whatever that the melody is hitting. But I'm doing lots of stuff around it and interesting ways, creative ways to get there, if that makes sense. Yeah. Do you think anyone could play guitar or no? I think if they had enough patience, it's definitely a difficult skill. And I think a lot of people pick it up and not many people like carry it on. Yeah. It's just that patience of being able to get your fingers to move quickly.

45:00And that's the hardest part. I don't think I could do that. I've broken this finger. Oh, ouchies. And it doesn't bend very well. That's your right though. So you might be all right if you stick to a plectra. Yeah, you'd be fine. Oh, okay. Sounds like an excuse. Your issue is rhythm and timing. Oh yeah, you can't clap on beat, can you? No. Yeah, that's difficult. You can't either. I was gonna say he's a drummer. You're terrible if he can. Yeah, no, I don't know why that is. I've just never been able to do that. Some people just don't have, don't really have an ear for it. It'd be really difficult for you to learn guitar because your timing for a song would be all over the place.

45:36Yeah, yeah. Whenever you, you know when we got people clapping at the live show. Yeah. I was always in the half beat, weren't I? That is weird. Half beat said it's more impressive. When you do that, can you hear that you're wrong? so I'm clapping right and then like I will hear them clap and then I'll hear my little one after and then I'll try and get predict when yeah but can you you're actively trying to predict when you can't just like feel like oh here it is no sometimes when I'm in the car yeah and I'm just like doing this on the whatever I get it and I'm like oh I'm in flow state yeah a flow state he doesn't get it for long I feel like I'm really in the zone but then it's almost when I don't think about it I get it when I think about it I don't get it yeah because I think you should be able to feel where the beat is.

46:17That is true. And that's, I still get that now where it's like, that's what I was saying about muscle memory. Right. That's with performing when you don't think about, you really want to not think about it as much as possible when you're playing and when you're doing it because that's when you're truly in it. As soon as I start to think about it, I'm like, oh, I'm actually playing quite well. And then I start talking to myself and that's when I'll mess up or I start like negatively talking to myself and that's when I'll mess up. Right. Have you ever made a really bad mistake on stage? Oh my God, so many times.

46:43Noticeably for others? Yes, so many times. There's one that horrifically sticks out to me, was like my second show with MGK. And I started off the song, so it was like a big job, called Sid and Nancy. And I played it. I blame my pedal board because I was transposed, but I played it semitone down from what it was meant to be. But I didn't realise because I was, I guess I was just too nervous. I don't know. I didn't realise. And then the whole band just kind of stopped. Oh, yeah. And looked. See, this is... And I was like... oh no and i didn't realize what was wrong see but like the average person like i would never know would you would you know um i'd know tones but i think you'd you'd know like if the whole band joined in you'd you'd be like oh something's off here do you know what i mean like you would hear it right yeah you would be able to tell like something you might not know exactly what's wrong but you'd be able to tell something's wrong are you any good at other instruments or is it just the guitar no not really i can do bass but other than that no i i wish i could like play piano.

47:43I'd love to play piano or drums or something, but no, I'm rubbish. What? You can play piano, can't you? Small amount. Oh, okay. Well, why is it that when Sophie plays guitar, it's cool, but when Stevie plays Jason Mraz on the fucking keyboard, I want to end my life. It's because he's playing Jason Mraz. Wow. Sorry, Jason. He's a big fan. Oh, sorry, Jason. I love you, really. I'm just... Whenever we go, like, say we're going through King's Cross and there's a piano. Oh, no, I do not. Oh, really? I do not. You do not let me. You'll have someone playing like, I don't know, like Beethoven's Sympathy or whatever it's called.

48:15Sympathy! And then he'll go on. Chopsticks. More of a boo-boo, man. Chris is the same. Chris likes to get on those pianos. Do you? You're a piano guy. Yeah, but I can't play for shit. He can play one song. He plays that. What's that song you always play? Beethoven's Midnight Sonar. Oh, I can't play for shit. I want Bade Hovans Midnight's and Arthur. I have been known. I have been known to tickle the ivories on occasion. Right. So Sophie, let's bring it back. So it's lockdown. Yeah. You do an album, Imposter Syndrome. Yeah. Now we know where you're at today. You go on all these massive worldwide tours with MGK.

48:59How does that come about? So there's sort of a bit kind of between that. Like I wrote, I wrote the album. I had really, the reason why I wrote the album called Impostor Syndrome is because I basically had obviously very bad imposter syndrome, which is basically where you feel like you're an imposter. You don't feel like you're actually good at what you're doing. You feel like any moment the mask could slip and people will realize that, oh, this person can't actually do that. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, right. And like, so I never wanted to play live. I feel like because I posted so much online on YouTube and stuff, you know, where you can do multiple takes.

49:32Yeah. I set like an unrealistic bar for myself, if you know what I mean, that I couldn't reach. In terms of being perfect. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. So like I kind of set this bar and so I just had so much anxiety playing live and I had so much negative self-talk in my head where I'd be playing and I'd be like almost teasing myself like, oh, don't mess up, don't mess up, like you're shit. Do you know what I mean? And that would just be going on while I'm playing, which obviously is such a distraction while you're playing. So I just, I could never, but I was too, like, I got to a point where I couldn't play live in front of my own parents, in front of anyone.

50:06Wow. So then I decided, like, kind of COVID hit, and I was like, I was, like, it sounds horrible. I was so grateful, like, in a weird way when COVID came, because I was like, oh, thank God, I don't have to do any more live shows. It was almost like an excuse to not go. Exactly, yeah, because I did one just before COVID, and it went terribly. Where was that? Amersham Arms in London. And, you know, and, like, someone uploaded a clip to YouTube, and all the comments were like, oh, it's not very good, is it? Like, she can't really play, blah, blah, blah. Is that just you up there doing that then? Yeah, I had a band as well, but like it's me kind of, I was doing my Shred version, so I'm very much at the forefront.

50:41Right, yeah. So yeah, that kind of really got me down. So I was, you know, so glad I didn't have to do any more live shows, but I really wanted to overcome that because there's no, that has been my dream when I was a kid, you know what I mean, to do that sort of stuff. So I started writing this album and throughout reaching out to people and talking to some of my heroes, like the people that were on the album more people I had on my wall as kids like Lizzie Hale and Michael Starr like I had them on my wall you know posts on my wall they were my idols so when they agreed to do the album I got to like have conversations with them about imposter syndrome performance anxiety and they all felt the same like speaking to them they were all all had stories themselves and they're all like we feel exactly the same like and that was so healing for me knowing people I looked up to and I thought were these like invincible gods you know yeah yeah had the same fears and worries that I had it's so bang on it's like some of the people we speak to on here like some of the biggest comedians in the world and and they don't back themselves exactly yeah they they feel like they're an imposter exactly yeah and then but sometimes like imposter syndrome is real because stevie's got one of the biggest podcasts in the country like what are you doing do you know exactly weirdly i deserve it

51:48that's what i've done i've built my entire career off just delusion now so you would speak to these people that you consider to be heroes of yours yeah exactly and then I started going live on like twitch and using like things like that where I still had the barrier of being at home but they could see that I you know do make mistakes and all of this stuff so I became a little bit more human started talking a bit more on youtube so I'm vlogging a bit more so people could see my personality and then I kind of realized like people would comment being like oh we like it when you mess up do you know I mean like that's what's human right yeah and that's what makes those moments like when you're playing live and someone messes up that's you almost are like oh I saw that that was cool do you know I mean it's like people love it don't they yeah that's what we found when we if we fucked something up it would get a laugh exactly yeah so people like because that's human that's it almost makes everyone relax a bit more yeah do you know what i mean when that sort of moment happens and that kind of realization was like a really big thing for me so and then i kind of started playing like some some smaller stuff and then yeah i released imposter syndrome went great and then you know just out of the blue we were literally moving house out of london because we were like let's have a bit of a quieter live move to the country get a dog and on the day we were moving I received a dm from machine gun kelly which was were you a fan of his before yeah I was like I knew some of I knew you know sort of of of him for a lot of things I'd actually messaged him two years prior saying uh when I was reaching out to artists for imposter syndrome yeah basically saying I thought he was too big to be on the album but I just messaged him saying if you have needed guitarist hit me up and then didn't obviously didn't hear anything for two years and then he messaged me being like how serendipitous it's a big word I know I had to google what that meant I'm pretending I know now yeah exactly and um he was like you in LA obviously I'm not he didn't know I was but I was like yeah I can be like whenever you want yeah and um we had a facetime a couple of days later and he was like yeah I'm looking for another guitarist to join the band um I sent over a bunch of like clips of me playing live I was in a band called Marisa and the Moths.

53:52So we'd done like some, a few like pub gigs and stuff, which where I'd kind of developed my playing style a lot more and my performance style, you know, of kind of doing the silly poses and all of that. So I sent them a bunch of that stuff. But I didn't really have to audition, which is crazy, because usually you have to audition for things like that. But I think they just kind of, yeah, they took a chance on me. I think they knew what they wanted. They have a large female audience, you know, with his new pop punk stuff. So I think they kind of wanted a girl in the band to, you know just attract that sort of you know be inspiring to young girls you know so um yeah and then within like three weeks of that first message had you got a dog at this point or not no okay good right i wish we had a cat but yeah within three weeks of that message i had to uh get a u.s visa sorted managed to rush that it usually takes like six months we managed to get in the three weeks, which was crazy.

54:47And then I was flown out there for my first rehearsal. Were you nervous? Oh my God, I was terrified. Yeah, talk us through that flight. Yeah, I nearly quit on the first day. What? Well, just like I went in to rehearsal and literally like the imposter syndrome came flying back where they're all like, and they're all like really tall guys as well. You know, it's just an intimidating environment. They're lovely, but you know, it's just an intimidating environment. They're all like gangsters from Cleveland, Ohio. And I'm this little girl from Henley. Do you know what I mean? I'm like, oh, good day everybody.

55:19they you know they started playing stuff and the songs they're not difficult but it was just there was so many there was like 50 songs I had to learn within that three weeks did you learn anything in advance or yeah yeah they gave me like they they gave me like the songs to learn more or less but there was so many of them and they didn't give me like sheet music or really what the set list was going to be like it was very so I was just trying to learn as many of his songs as I could basically how much pressure was on you there then were you very aware that this could be like a make or break moment yeah oh a hundred percent and like everyone there is like seasoned musicians that have toured for years like the other guitarist justin lines is incredible he's toured with like blackpink lil wayne like you know he's got a massive touring career so i was very much the new kid on the block like never having played to more than like 200 people do you know what i mean to suddenly be thrown into that kind of situation where it's all so professional and there's like 30 people in the room doing all the jobs yeah right you know I didn't even know needed jobs yeah um it was a very intimidating environment and I think I just sort of yeah the imposter syndrome kicked in let it get to my head I went outside I had a little cry oh did you on the first day yeah but I didn't let them see do you know I mean I was like I want to maintain that I'm confident to them yeah so I was sort of I very much had like my confident face on where I was like it's gonna be fine right and it's just intimidating as well when you're used to being at home and you're looking at being away for like three or four months from your family such a big lifestyle change yeah exactly it's that side of things even just moving but then literally meeting these people that you look up to that exactly yeah it's just it just sort of all the it all kind of got to me but then you know chris when i was my husband i don't know whether i've said that but uh when you know chris kind of calmed me down spoke talked me through it i went back in and then just started doing because i knew i could do it and just sort of really tried to calm down and relax and got through the first day you know and that was like a big thing for me okay I was like I got through that when you say got through you you mean like just didn't make any mistake like I made mistakes but like nothing crucial yeah exactly and like even if it was like you know they they probably expect like a few on the first day you know so it's just but they were they were happy and they seemed by the tour I think you know they knew my style fit them and things like that they wanted a more kind of rocky shred person and I kind of explained how I work as well so they knew what to expect from me and all of this stuff and we ended up working really really well and yeah did the first show and i didn't know how i because of the impostor i didn't know quite how i'd respond to being on a stage of that side if i just freeze or freak out yeah but it was like this really healing moment where we did our first show i think it was in dallas or austin um and i was on stage and i just had this moment of like wow this is what i'm gonna be doing do you know what i mean where i just looked out to the crowd and i was like this is where i'm gonna be do you remember how many people were in that crowd uh it was an arena probably like 13 000 or something there was nothing between you went from your 200 yeah yeah literally that weekend i played like a 200 cap gig at the purple turtle in redding the next day i was in austin okay wow so so talk talk us through that then well so let's go back so talk us through the moment you first met machine gun kelly in person it was a nice guy yeah yeah super nice he's he's very chill he's just like you know he's like oh how's it going and give me a big hug.

58:29You know, he's really, really nice, very comfortable to kind of... I was going to say, a little bit different. Let's address the elephant in the room here. No, we spoke about it before, haven't we? You came to the Reading show and the listeners will be very aware at the time when Stevie and I met Machine Gun Kelly. Obviously, I met him on a bad day, I think. Yeah, well, I think he's, you know, it's no secret to anyone that he's sort of had some issues and stuff growing up. Like, he's been through a lot. Yeah. and I think kind of he's had a lot of pressure on him and I think he's done you met him kind of in his rap days yeah it was at Reading probably 21 I don't think he was actually on he was performing with Youngblood oh I saw that yeah yeah yeah so he was kind of that was kind of like El Diablo kind of days so yeah he since then he's kind of become a lot more he's done a lot of healing for himself if you know what I mean and I think he's like I think if you met him today in that kind of situation, you'd have a completely different experience, if you know what I mean.

59:28Like, I think he just sort of, he would feel a lot of pressure for these performances and he'd get in his head a lot and then that would kind of, you know, result in these kind of unfavourable interactions. I feel like I've seen a lot of videos of him being shared, like meeting fans and stuff and he always seems absolutely lovely. Like, that's the thing. He's so, and he appreciates fans so much. So I really think, like, he's just done so much healing on himself. I must be a dickhead then. Maybe it was you. Yeah, I think you are the problem. Is Machine Gun Kelly aware of this situation? Yeah, so I did mention it to him and I showed him the picture.

1:00:01No, you didn't. Did you? Yeah. Oh, shit. He sort of was like, oh, I'm like, he was like, oh, sorry, I was probably just having like a shit day. Like, he felt bad about it, do you know what I mean? But like, he was sort of, he finds the lore of it like funny and, you know, sort of what it's become, I guess. But I really want you to come to the show in March and recreate the picture. i would love to but the other way around

1:00:30oh god it was it was awkward wasn't it yeah it was all i held the phone up and then he and then i could just tell he didn't want it so i just put the phone away and then he goes just in the pose like take the fucking picture and i was like i don't want to put the phone away and i was like oh my word yeah for any of the listeners who don't know the famous line he He goes, hurry up and take the fucking photo, motherfucker. That's so funny. Did that make me the motherfucker or you? Yeah. Maybe he really likes me. I was going to say. Maybe I'm the problem. Maybe you're the motherfucker. Oh, yeah. Right.

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1:02:22Around there, somewhere in Texas. I don't know whether it was Austin or somewhere like that. What's that moment feel like when you're with the band backstage and you're about to go out live in front of all those people? It feels like, especially in the beginning, well, we'd all like, especially on the first show, we'd take a lot of shots before. Okay. You know, it would sort of be, they are incredibly heavy drinkers, or they were. A lot of them are sober now. Right. But like, so we'd, you know, drink quite a lot. So you kind of be like, we'll go on stage anyway. Were you a drinker before that?

1:02:52Not as heavy as you kind of, luckily I can hold my alcohol so I can keep up with them. So it's fine. Is there an optimum amount of alcohol to have that you're not going to mess up? I feel like there is. Yeah. Like darts. Exactly. Yes. What you do is very like darts. It is similar. People do say they're very similar. Yeah, I'd say like I would always have one double drink and then three shots would be my optimum. Shots of? Casamigo Reposado tequila. I only know that last word. That's all you need to know. Right, tequila. Tequila, okay. So yeah, you go out, you're a little bit tipsy. Yeah, it's just really fun.

1:03:32It's so like electric, do you know what I mean? When you're going out, especially because you walk out and the crowd some of the crowd like see you and they're like cheering and shouting your name and it's just such like an incredible feeling like you can't put it into words really it's just that you're all like nervous but excited and hoping everything goes well there's so many moving parts that you wouldn't know about like the technical side of stuff as well it's like could go wrong so it's like that thing of not not knowing but trying to be confident as well I always have like a grounding moment before I go on stage where like I like crouch down and touch the floor of the stage and like just trying to like feel the energy and i don't know it sounds a bit like no no i know it's just like feeling and having like a few like deep breaths and just trying to calm yourself down get into a good headspace there's definitely a science behind that touching the stage and stuff yeah definitely just feeling the energy we've never done arenas like you we've like what's the most we've done that what 1200 people 1500 people yeah and for me one thing i found which was really weird was i hurt my foot at football like the week before and i i did one show with just my socks and i honestly that felt so good because i didn't feel like i was just doing this big show you're more connected yeah i was like i'm just chatting to my mate yeah you were tim minchin yeah yeah tim minchin used to do it didn't he play the piano did you have any other than drinking did you have any pre-show rituals uh we'd all kind of get together and like chant something it would either be like a lyric of a song or something you know you'd all and yeah take the photo motherfucker yeah that'll be the one in at the air too when you guys come That is going to be awful for the audience.

1:05:02They'll have to deal with it, won't they? What's Fiona writing on here? Share Stevie's mum chant. Before every show, you and Robbie would do a chant about my mum. She's never heard this. What is it? Five minutes? Five minutes. Yeah, the tour manager comes in, says five minutes to go. We go, five minutes to go, five minutes to go. I can't remember it. What was it? Stevie's mum's... I can fill in the blank before every show and then we'd listen to Bo Burnham and then go out oh my god I love Bo Burnham I completely forgot about that you like Bo Burnham too yeah I absolutely love him it's when I'm in my existential crisis phase so you know sometimes you just go through those phases so I'm like listening to inside well that's what we'd listen to isn't it he wrote that in lockdown or made that in lockdown you made an album in lockdown I just made banana bread and tried to do a sit up which over tried to do one sit up It's a singular one.

1:06:00I wish I should have done more in lockdown. The podcast boomed through lockdown. We signed to Spotify because of it. Oh, there you go. True. I was going to say, I definitely was listening in lockdown. What is it like? I know there's some, you must have some stories that aren't fit for broadcast. I understand that. But what is it like on an MGK tour bus?

1:06:22It's changed a lot. Because now a lot of them are sober and dads and new dads and stuff. So nowadays it's a little bit more. It's actually quite chill. we're all kind of get back just chill and then go to bed uh but there's you know there's a lot of uh weed smoking okay you know um it's it's it's it's just a lot of fun you know no it's fun tour buses are difficult though because you can't like you can't like shit on a tour bus you can't you know there's lots of rules you guys know like on the on the tour bus and you're doing like big drives as well so yeah we've had like times where the tour buses have broken down in the middle of Arizona and like the heat the air con doesn't work so we've all there's been like 35 of us on one tour bus all like sitting cross-legged on the floors like two per bunk like just because we've had to get there do you actually sleep on the tour bus then yeah yeah yeah yeah but your drives would have been longer we were going from Bristol to Cardiff yeah I'd say yeah I think our longest drive was about six hours come to think of it we didn't really need a tour bus did we nah but we had our faces on the side that's worth it that is really cool.

1:07:25Do you have a, do you personally have a rider? You can, like, we have a rider as a band, like, I can put stuff on it. What kind of stuff would you put on it? Nothing that interesting, like a bottle of vodka, like some Monster Energy. I always have on it. I love that you like a Monster Energy. It's so good. Vodka Monster is my drink, oh my god, the best, the tropical one. Is this always the flavour, this one here? Yeah. Is that the one they do? You're not sponsored, so I won't show them. No, you're fine.

1:07:54get us the brand deal. Oh, I wish. I've been begging to get a monster deal. Sophie, if you can look in the camera and show that can, if we get a brand deal, I'll go hard for you. Okay, do it. Yeah, go on then. Look in the left. Monster Energy, please sponsor Jack Makes Happy Hour. It is our favourite drink. You've got it, love them. That's the one they do at Spoons, isn't it? The proper nice, that and vodka. That's why I love it. You get it, and it'd be so cheap at Spoons. It's like£3.50 for a double with this. So good. I always have the white one. The white one? What flavour is that? Just like...

1:08:23No sugar, isn't it? Yeah, no sugar. Oh, yeah. I've been having to go sugar-free because I've been getting ulcers in my tongue when I drink too much sugar. Rock and roll. Fucking rock and roll. Oh, man. Now, Sophie, like I said, you were kind enough to give me a list of some mad stuff that you've done. I'm going to list off some of the events and the occasions that you've performed at. Okay. Because we thought we were big playing Reading Hexagon. You've done the F1, NBA All-Stars, rugby women's world cup final download fest lollapalooza paris fashion week and so many more what's one of your favorite moment where did your mind go if i asked you for a favorite moment uh my favorite was you know pretty recent i did the rugby women's world cup final at twickenham stadium in september they they won and i opened the i was basically the opening act for the event so they put the trophy they came and put the trophy down and then i walked out and i played like this little medley of one of my songs called Battlegrounds, Living on a Prayer, and then Pump It by the Black Eyed Peas.

1:09:25Oh, wow. And it was like just me in the middle of the arena with like, and it was sold out. I think it was like the second most attended. 81 ,500. 81 ,500. I think he knows who's counting. Because you don't sing, you had like a - Talk box. A what? Sorry? It's called a talk box? You could do the melody with like a tube. Yeah. So it's this, it's basically an effect that they use at the beginning of living on a prayer, which makes that what, what, what, which is where the, basically the sound of the amp goes into your mouth. And then you like move your mouth and then it comes out of your mouth. You know, when you put your phone to your mouth and go, wow, wow, wow.

1:10:03It's like that, but through the guitar. Exactly. Yeah. And then it goes, gets picked up by the microphone. So yeah, we did that and then did a whole like kind of shred version. And it was amazing. And everyone was singing so loud, especially living on a prayer, like people were just screaming it. And it was just such an incredible experience. again because I anything can go wrong I was like what if I trip over yeah what if I do you know I mean so much can go wrong and it just I think it was like the best I've I played it which I was just so really over the moon about and yeah and I did it live which is quite rare for those sorts of things a lot of the time for sports events and stuff it's pre-recorded wow but was that your decision to do it live did they ask for it live they asked for it live and I wanted to do it live you know I just felt like it's nice as a musician to like have that that moment I thought there's more energy in that moment and yeah it just went so well and Bon Jovi commented being like is this AI or something like really yeah he actually commented on it being like is this real which is so funny like just I like that he's gone full boomer with that I know that must be so validating though for someone who was a few years ago yeah too nervous to play to 200 people or exactly going out and doing 81 ,000 on your own yeah yeah that was definitely like the sort of moment and it always comes you know it'll always come back but that was kind of the moment I was like okay I think I've like conquered this right you can do anything now yeah exactly it just felt so good and like the kind of I really was like okay I believe in myself now you know so cool isn't it yeah it was amazing moment what else is up there then we this is this episode's all about you you're allowed to flex I'm not very good at it though you're great tell us Tell us more of what you've done.

1:11:40Yeah, we did a lot of stuff with MGK, obviously. So we did the F1 at the O2 earlier last year, 2025. How does that work at the F1? Is it just middle of the track? That would be sick. I wish on top of a car. That would be amazing. Yeah, that would be awesome. They'll have a stage, won't they? Yeah, they have some stages. I think I've done it like, we've done it three times or with like different parts of it. They have like, it's like a three-day thing. like once we've done the opening and then we did the one at the beginning of the year was like where they announced all the new cars and stuff at the o2 where they like bought them all out right i'm not exactly sure yeah you're not there to know there were cars there was lewis hamilton you know god and ramsay was in the audience that's all i remember do you have any like big event or something you're still like have in your head that i you really want to play it i really really would love to do the Super Bowl in some way or another.

1:12:37Like I know, I think her came out, who's like this awesome guitarist, came out with Usher and she did like a really cool solo. And I'd love to have like a moment like that. I'm thinking, this is my, again, I build my career off delusion. Like that's how I'm on here right now because I was a fan of you guys. And I delusionally was like, well, I'm going to go on Happy Hour and then here we are. So my delusion is that I'm going to play with Lady Gaga I'm going to come out for a solo for Lady Gaga. I could see that happening. I think it's possible but I don't know. Like, this is probably your imposter syndrome talking again.

1:13:14You've done so much stuff. That's not too far removed from reality at all, is it? Yeah, I'd like to think, you know, I'm manifesting. Well, your six degrees of separation must be like two degrees for most people at this point. Yeah, my friend drums for her so like, you know, but we'll see. I don't know. Her fans are called Little Monsters. You've got a monster. Exactly! Monster! sponsor us there we go perfect perfect sync it's not just um like these mad events you've actually worked and played alongside some incredible people as well yeah um and i didn't know about any of this well a lot of them come through machine gun kelly you know right right it's it's so cool though you've got avril lavigne young blood travis barker sceptre halsey so many more i i think fiona would kill me if i didn't ask what's young blood like oh i love young blood i love young blood i've met him a couple times now and he's obviously just killing it i think he's really playing a big part and bringing back rock music as well i think he's playing an integral part in that at the moment he seems so cool in interviews he's really cool and he's just he's just really cool he's really really down to earth like he came to watch yeah i was gonna say he came to watch one of our shows well he came to watch the warning and we were supporting them so he saw us playing he was just so nice what in reading no in uh brixton this was earlier last year okay um and yeah he's just super super chill, super down to earth really like gives a fuck and wants to have a conversation with you, do you know what I mean?

1:14:39Very intense eye contact. Oh really? Yeah, yeah. Oh wow. I'm having sex with him. What? Oh, you thought you were having sex with him? What have you just said? It's just so intense, I'm like this is not having sex. It feels like it. Your energy was wild, I'll probably make it up. Yeah, the way he looks at you. I was going to say it. You've written it about young man. He does. The way he looks at you, it's like he's having sex with his eyes. It's a bit, like, uncomfortable. I was like, my husband's right here. Jesus. But, yeah, he's awesome. And I think, yeah, he won a Grammy last night, which was amazing.

1:15:16Yeah. Very well deserved, I think. And, yeah, it's exciting to see what he's going to do. If I went up to him at Reading Festival and I said, can I have a photo, what would he say? Okay, we'll leave it there. I think you might be in a problem. I was going to say, it depends. no no he'd he'd want to take a picture with you you said your parents were supportive at the start yeah are they ever coming to your massive shows now and seeing this in person yeah like they they love to come down especially my mom because she's like you know she always wants to be like she's like a star on her own right she's so cool like she just loves her dance she loves everything so um my my dad's a little more reserved but he really enjoys like the music side of things the guitar side of things you know things like that and it's I love I love having them there it's a really nice really nice thing yeah my they came to see me in Canada and um there's this like really funny story where I was it was after the show had ended and my mom and dad like they did their first ever shot of their life of tequila with us before the show so you know and they started drinking and stuff yeah and they were they were having fun and after the show the show went great I was in my dressing room just kind of getting packed up and stuff and someone comes in they're like Sophie you need to come to Colson's room Colson is MGK he's come to MGK's room and I was like okay why and I hadn't seen my parents at this point after the show I don't know where they were I was like they had their passes I was like sure they're fun they'll be back um and they were like yeah you need to come and I walked in and my mom is like in Colson's dressing room which is crazy in the first place that they just walked in there.

1:16:54Do you know what I mean? Without me, they were just like, yeah, okay. They just walked in there. And there's like a circle. My mum is in the middle, like slut dropping and dancing. And I was like, it was so funny. And like Justin, the other guitarist, kind of like dancing with her, like entertaining her. Who's in the circle? She was killing it there, honestly. She's a good dancer. But well, that's the thing. I looked around and I was like, oh my God. So I looked in the corner. It was Drake. and his crew are the corner the weekend. Your mum's twerk for Drake and the weekend. Wow. My mum obviously has no idea.

1:17:30Do you know what I mean? She doesn't know what's going on. She's just having fun. She's just partying. And it's so funny. It was such like that was a real... And my dad's just in the corner with a beer like because he's so awkward he does not dance. My mum's twerked for Drake. My mum's twerked for a bag of crack. there's levels to this isn't there there is levels to this um you also told us that you had an awkward story or an awkward moment with travis barker yeah that was i was on stage and um i had like a wardrobe malfunction where i was wearing this like crop top thing but it like came it came loose at the top and it kept on stage sliding down yeah so i was like sort of trying I was like playing and I was like, oh my God, I need to hold it up.

1:18:19So I kind of motions to, there was like this assistant that would help with wardrobe stuff. And I motioned, I was like, okay, I need like this tape stuff. I need you to come like help me get my top done. And I was like, so I, at the end of the song, I ran off stage and I didn't really, I wasn't really looking where I was going. I just sort of ran down stage, saw a heavily tattooed person and just lifted my top up like this just went like for her to take my tits because like it's like you've got to be quick do you know what i mean so i literally just lifted my toe and i looked up and like actually kind of realized what i was doing and travis barker was at the bottom of the stairs i hadn't even greeted him he was because he was waiting to go up and play drums with us for the next song you'd met him before this no this was my first meeting this was my first meeting i know he was So he's playing drums with us.

1:19:08And I just ran down the stairs and been like. This is how I greet everyone. And he was like. I sort of put down. I was like, I'm so sorry. But you can't really hear. So he was just like. He was like, I need to go play drums. It was so awkward. Oh my God. It was the worst. You could kind of style it out if you'd met them before. That's the thing. And I didn't even really get to speak to him after. Do you know what I mean? So I didn't really get to clear the air. Because he left after the show. So I didn't get to be like, sorry, this is what happens. You've not seen him since? No. Like he's not to like talk to.

1:19:35I'd love to hear his version of that story So would I I'm just sat there waiting to play around Yeah and he's never like Yeah I've never been able to explain it to him Do you know So he literally just thinks That someone he was performing with as well Just ran downstairs Loped to the top of him Yeah You're gonna smash it Yeah It's like a lecture That's like his version of touching the stairs Yeah And I had to just come back up and play with him Like nothing happened And I was like Any awkward eye contact for your plan? He avoided eye contact Which I don't blame really You know wow some life what's what's the um we're gonna just move on to a few sort of um not things you've done but things you've seen yeah what's the best live performance you think you've you've ever seen in the flesh oh well my first performance i saw was uh prince live at the o2 um when he did his 21 nights at the o2 oh wow that was the first concert my parents took me to which was absolutely incredible and sort of he had so many guitars lined up on the stage that was like a really really inspiring performance to me so she's she said she said prince mate to that question you know prince no we asked you we asked you we specifically wrote this question sophie what's the best live thing you've ever seen because we know for oh oh wait let me change my answer cut that cut that yeah i actually got went to this amazing podcast live once and I was just blown away.

1:20:58Flown away. Oh my God, it was amazing. An urban legend up on stage. You wouldn't believe it. It was the first tour as well. It was great. It was actually really good. You put a confession in. I did. Yeah, so we got to speak to you during the show as well. I know. The MGK one. Sorry, I've just got a little hair on my tongue. I'm trying to get that. I won't just touch my tongue while I let you. now before we wrap up sophie um i've seen your social numbers you've got millions and millions of fans out there um do you have any super fans yeah like there's so why has chris just done an awkward laugh okay well there's yeah we have a lot of like really awesome fans do you know i mean that like a support is i i have a patreon uh join my patreon that's the only thing i have to plug but um you know that and there's a really nice community but we do get we've have had some people that take it i guess to the next level we had this one guy who would basically he'd do it by email and he'd email us maybe 200 times a day and each email had a video attached oh no do i want to know i well it was basically him i always joke he looks like an older version of my husband.

1:22:19So maybe it was him from the future. I don't know. But he was basically, he was shirtless, big old beard. I have a picture I can show you guys. Right, right. Don't show it. But like, and he would, he'd be him shirtless and he'd be like, hi Sophie Lloyd, I made you dinner. And he would have laid two places at a table and he'd like show the table and he'd be like, I made you dinner and I just, I love you so much and I can't wait to get married and this is what our kids are going to be called. And it was about 200 videos a day. Like, it was crazy. Like, I don't know how he had the time, honestly.

1:22:50And he was like, he was definitely like, was, had something, you know, wrong with him. Because he'd be like, oh, I was on the bus with Paris Hilton earlier and she's such a, such a bitch, not like you. I was like, good, thank you. You had your own baby reindeer. Yeah, it was really creepy. And like, so we found out later that, yeah, he was sending this for months and months and months. So we were like, okay, let's just, I was going on tour in America and I was like, let's just kind of figure out a little bit about him. Like, should, is it worth getting a restraining order? Is it worth this? Do you know what I mean?

1:23:27So we were investigated. We decided not to in the end. And we found out he had, he was in jail because he had killed someone with a pickaxe to the head and he got let out of jail. How crazy is that? Are you making this up? No, I'm being serious. so we decided not to put a restraining order because because we didn't want him to just for fun we liked the rush no because because we didn't want to give him any kind of acknowledgement if you know what i mean we didn't want him to receive a letter because then that sometimes when people are kind of a little bit off like that it encourages them more yeah they're getting a reaction exactly yeah so you know and i told the security about it when i was and they kept an eye out and stuff.

1:24:11And eventually it did just stop. But that was quite like a scary moment where, you know, you're kind of like, there are actually really kind of people that are just not good intentions or like just really just, I don't want to use all the crazy, but do you know what I mean? Like kind of obviously have some sort of mental issues that are causing that kind of delusion. What did he cook you for dinner? That's a good question. I can't remember. I think it was It's objectively not That's the best question you've asked on podcast I can't remember honestly It probably looked good though I wasn't you know Wouldn't have been upset about it Maybe you could put a shirt on though You any good at cooking Chris?

1:24:55I do all the cooking Do you? As if No he's way better I'm an awful cook But I enjoy cooking What would you If you haven't done a party What would you cook to impress? I do really good Chicken and treats Do you? Yeah Never had one in my life So good Have you not? No. That's great. I'm a lasagna man. That's my...

1:25:16Lasagna's hard though because you put it in the oven those sheets don't cook at all. They just still come out hard. Put them in water first. Just leave them in a bowl. Yeah, give them cooking advice. Okay. Because I learnt that lesson. Yeah. So you like prep them first to make them soft. Boil in hot water. Put them in a bowl or a tray. Yeah. Put the water on. That's so simple. Put them in water, Sophie. I'm trying to make this sound a lot more cultured than it is. The water in first or the lasagna in first? Tip for you, though. Okay. Right, so when the sheets are in the water, get a fork every minute, right, and move them about.

1:25:52Otherwise, they'll stick to the pan and become one fat bit of lasagna. Ah, yes. Okay. Interesting. Okay. I've done that, mate. I've done that. Easily done. Sometimes the water evaporates too quick and you're not ready and then suddenly on fire. Or you don't mix it when it's spaghetti and then it burns. on the side. I've fucked so much stuff up in my life. Are you okay? My mum twerks a flake. That's where these problems come from. Sophie, you've been great. Thanks so much for coming on. Oh, thank you so much for having me. I really do feel like a make-a-wish kid. This is your imposter syndrome coming back again.

1:26:30And look at everything you've done in your career. You're there by merit. You're fucking brilliant. And you're cool as well. Are we cool? Yeah. No. What the infliction of that? No, I'm kidding. No, yeah, you guys are. Honestly, the coolest people are the uncoolest. And I feel like we're all... Still not sure it's a compliment. I don't know where I'm going with this either. I'm not cool either. You're the biggest shag. Anyone, man. You are a big shag. Virgin's a class. I'm definitely not cool. Do you know what I mean? Like, I'm not cool. You are cool. No, but I look that way to the world, but inside I am the biggest loser.

1:27:03You know, I'm always tripping. I can't sail my own two feet. I'm always tripping over. I've fallen over like five times on stage as well That's cool Yeah see exactly you had the infliction on that too So there you go That's what jackass do for a living Yeah exactly that's true Plug do a plug Follow me on Instagram, YouTube, whatever Social media, Sophie Guitar I'll be on there check out my YouTube also join my Patreon if you want What do you get on your Patreon? You get one video I kind of almost started off you guys' jackandstevie.com because I'm a member of that. You remember? Yeah, of course.

1:27:41We could give it to you for free. Yeah. We're not going to now. I was going to say. No, it was good. Yeah, one vlog a month and weekly podcasts as well, which it's nothing like this. It's just me and Chris chatting shit about, you're literally chatting about shit sometimes. Oh, can we come on your podcast? And, um, I don't know, I'll put you in touch with our booking agent. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Right, guys, go follow her do all that good stuff thank you guys so much only because she brought us some nuggets do you want a nugget to finish? oh of course 100 % do you like a cold nugget? I'll have a cold nugget yeah I'll have a cold nugget they're not quite the same but I'm really excited to hear the happy hour jingle as a shred version yeah can you actually can you actually do that?

1:28:21no it's like thank you very much guys this has been Jack makes happy hour podcast with me Jack mate Stevie White and the very cool Sophie Lloyd thank you Sophie what's your meaning in life? just to really enjoy everything you're doing as much as you can and really just live in your emotions you know like every emotion you have whether it's happiness sadness anxiety like feel it understand it because it's all what makes life so incredible you know there we go what an answer up the nuggets thank you thank you really funny thank you for the nuggets sorry they're a bit squishy I was hoping for some crispy nuggets

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