112 & Total on joint tour, Biggie & Bad Boy stories, Diddy fallout & modern R&B

23 Dec 2025 · 1 h 13 min · 28 chapters

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In short

112 and Total’s joint “in total” tour and their 30+ year legacies; stories from working with Biggie and Bad Boy; how industry politics and social media changed relationships and music; and what modern R&B/hip-hop needs to do to stay culturally relevant.

Guests (backgrounds)

Mike “Mike Slam” (112) and Keisha and Kima (Total). 112 are an R&B group with 30+ years in the game; Total are an R&B/hip-hop-era female group known for fashion and “queen” persona and long-running influence.

Key claims

  • Biggie treated 112 like family and “brought them with him” during Ready to Die promo.
  • The tour idea was timing-based: both groups wanted 90s nostalgia and to “give flowers” to each other.
  • Social media pressures youth relationships and can end partnerships publicly; it also changes how love is expressed.
  • Artists’ catalogs can get ignored if they aren’t “popping” in the moment; support across genres is necessary.

Notable examples

  • First meeting Biggie at a Central Park video shoot in extreme cold.
  • Biggie/Bad Boy picnic in Long Island; Versace silk shirts; sweating.
  • Harlem moment: Biggie performing at the State Building while a boombox played “Notorious” nearby, reflecting real territorial tension.
  • Total’s “tough love” cigarette story: she smacked cigarettes out of a guest’s hand, leading him to quit.

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Chapters

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Celebrating 30 Years of Music

1:22 to 1:51

Discussion on the 30-year journey of 112 and Total, including upcoming tour details.

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Celebrating 30 Years of Music

3:40 to 6:28

Discussion on the 30-year journey of 112 and Total, including upcoming tour details.

“because that's important ladies and gentlemen let's make some noise for Mike Slam Keisha and Kimo 112 in total nobody got better intros than me that was the best flop You got that, I mean, yeah, this is what I do.”

Working with Biggie

6:28 to 7:33

Guests share their experiences working with Biggie and memorable moments.

“You know, big shout out to Junior Marfie and Faith Evans, man.”

Memorable Encounters with Biggie

7:33 to 8:39

Sharing unforgettable stories about encounters with Biggie Smalls.

“Then another one of their videos was the Kissing You remix.”

The Influence of Total

8:39 to 10:36

Discussion on the impact of Total in the music industry and their camaraderie.

“I just happened to be across the street.”

Lessons and Tough Love

10:36 to 14:00

Insights on personal growth, health, and relationships shared by guests.

“No, I just told them I'm sneaking into Brandy and Monaco on purpose.”

Reflections on Life Choices and Family

14:00 to 17:40

A conversation about personal life choices, family dynamics, and the importance of culture for their children.

“First of all, you an old nigga smoking a cigarette right now.”

Performance Energy and Career Reflections

17:40 to 21:20

Discussion on the energy required for performances and reflections on past shows and experiences in the industry.

“I thought, you know, you were you thought I was chilling?”

The Evolution of Performing and Matinees

21:20 to 28:00

A deep dive into the evolution of performing styles, particularly the idea of matinees and how they can maximize opportunities.

“When I went to Club 11, like last week, man, I'm bouncing around.”

The Impact of Social Media on Love

28:01 to 28:17

Exploring how social media has negatively affected relationships.

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The Impact of Social Media on Love

28:21 to 29:12

Exploring how social media has negatively affected relationships.

“You can bet NBA games any night on the app.”

The Impact of Social Media on Love

31:00 to 31:59

Exploring how social media has negatively affected relationships.

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The Impact of Social Media on Love

32:09 to 33:29

Exploring how social media has negatively affected relationships.

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Raising Daughters and Love Standards

33:29 to 33:54

Discussing the importance of setting standards in relationships for daughters.

“Believe it or not, I struggle with moderate obstructive sleep apnea or OSA.”

Raising Daughters and Love Standards

33:57 to 39:40

Discussing the importance of setting standards in relationships for daughters.

“My moms and pops, they have a fucking dollar and they was together for 50-something years.”

Cultural Reflections in Music and Relationships

39:40 to 42:00

Examining how music influences relationship expectations and integrity.

“Everything you saw in this industry and life and everything, how you deal with having a young daughter?”

The Importance of Integrity in Music

42:00 to 47:50

Discussion on the lack of integrity in the music industry and its impact on culture.

“they just like, it's not about the culture.”

Navigating the Music Industry's Challenges

47:50 to 53:30

Exploration of personal experiences and challenges faced in the music industry over the years.

“Let me give you, I like to tell a humbling story of mine before I tell somebody a humbling thing, right?”

The Shift in Music Ownership and Control

53:30 to 56:00

Conversations about taking ownership in music and the evolution of artist control.

“I had to take power in my own hands and go independent.”

The Journey of Independence

56:00 to 58:42

Discussing the transition to independent artistry and its impact.

“So then I said, OK, well, now this is what we're going to do, because what he was worried about was, oh, man, I wonder what I heart radio and what's going to do.”

Healthcare Solutions with Amazon Pharmacy

58:42 to 1:00:30

A personal story about health issues leading to a sponsor mention.

“Amazon Pharmacy presents Painful Thoughts.”

Influences and Inspirations in R&B

1:02:32 to 1:09:54

Exploring the influences behind 112's music and their journey.

“My shit, number one, Billboard, all them shits I played in Yankee Stadium was number one, Billboard 100, number one.”

Old School Dance Memories

1:10:00 to 1:14:00

A humorous discussion about the significance and nostalgia of old school dance moves in hip hop and R&B performances.

“You know he come to my birthday parties.”

Tour Excitement and Fan Experiences

1:14:00 to 1:17:40

A lively conversation about upcoming tours, fan interactions, and the excitement surrounding performances.

“I don't know what the fuck you was doing in Sacramento, but he pulled up.”

Discussion of Iconic R&B Artists

1:17:40 to 1:20:00

A playful exchange about legendary R&B artists like Boyz II Men and their impact on the genre.

“Randy and Monica, I'm waiting for that shit.”

Personal Stories about Music Legends

1:20:00 to 1:22:40

Sharing personal anecdotes and experiences with famous artists, highlighting their influence and memorable moments.

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Personal Stories about Music Legends

1:24:47 to 1:25:19

Sharing personal anecdotes and experiences with famous artists, highlighting their influence and memorable moments.

“They set standards, broke records, empowered people to build bigger and higher, to dig deeper, to make the impossible possible.”

Personal Stories about Music Legends

1:25:21 to 1:25:52

Sharing personal anecdotes and experiences with famous artists, highlighting their influence and memorable moments.

“You could literally be adored by everyone and then come home and still get completely ignored by your own cat.”
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2:55This information is provided by Lily, a medicine company. So what I'm trying to tell y 'all is this, whether y 'all don't know it, anytime your music come on, this shit is legendary. Oh, yeah. Every fucking time. High five. Every time. Every time. Every time your shit come on. And they can't take that from you.

3:29What up, y 'all? It's Joe Crack, the biggest in the game. What's up, y 'all? It's your boy, J.D. Kiss. You know what it is, the Joe and Jada show. Every show legendary. Every show iconic. And we never let you down. Today's guests, plural. Two dynamic groups. when you think of synergy when you think of chemistry when you think of camaraderie when you think of hit makers when you think of arena shakers when you think of good individuals that been able to overcome diversity deal with the ups, deal with the downs get rich get richer go through hard times and get it again get even richer than richer 30 plus years in the game good skin you know what I mean?

4:29because that's important ladies and gentlemen let's make some noise for Mike Slam Keisha and Kimo 112 in total

4:41nobody got better intros than me that was the best flop You got that, I mean, yeah, this is what I do. That's weird. That's far. My family, 30 plus years, you're going on tour, you're moving around, you're looking beautiful, telling people what to expect. Ladies and gentlemen. You know, you're going to expect that energy, like he said, that synergy, that iconic representation of our hits. The tour is crazy. And listen, so happy for our brothers and just blessed to be a part of this movement for them, giving them their flowers, 30 years of great music. This is their first headline tour at 112. We gonna get them their flowers, y 'all.

5:26And just so honored that our brothers would tap us on the shoulders and say, y 'all gotta take this journey with us. And like you just said, Jada, to be able to come back and do this again and again, 30 years and people still supporting our music and just showing up for us, you know what I mean? So we got those classic records. Bangers. Bangers. I don't even got to explain. They know what it is. Yeah. So that's what they want to say. Yeah. Y 'all got that legendary music. There's no way to explain this shit. It's like, yo, that shit, come on. It is what it is. Yeah. Then you had the B.I.G. all over your music, the greatest ever.

6:05Yes. At the time, you just like, all right, we got Biggie. Now you know you got some historic shit on your hands. You know what I mean? Whenever that music comes, what was it like working with Big E in that day? Man, well, you know. Go for y 'all. Man, yeah. Working with Big E, that was our biggest, it was like our big brother, man. He would give you the shirt off his back. You know, when 112, we moved to New York City. You know, big shout out to Junior Marfie and Faith Evans, man. You know what I'm saying? Like, time we got there, they embraced us as family. even when Big was doing his promo for Ready to Die, man, he would bring us with him.

6:43You know what I'm saying? Faith was in one ride, Big was in the other, and we would follow him around, and we learned a lot of jewels, man. With them, I got different stories for them that they don't know about. Can I hear these stories, man? Because it's usually me. The first time ever meeting Big was at their video shoot in Central Park, it was one degree. Oh my goodness. The coldest winter. It was the coldest day I ever experienced. It was very cold. He's trying to stay warm. Dee's bringing us. We meet and Big Puff. They shooting the video. They got that white shit on and freezing though. So I'm like, yo, this is like the greatest time and the worst time of our life at the same time.

7:29Well, it's our first time meeting Big was at their video shooting Central Park. Then another one of their videos was the Kissing You remix. Oh, yeah. It was at a party. We in Long Island. Big bad boy picnic. Versace silk shirts and all. Sweating. That's also the first time Big Hurd hit him up. Somebody delimited him. I heard, I listened to it when he listened to it. He wasn't even mad. He was just really mad about whatever he said about season, Kim, but it wasn't. He would have thought he had smoke coming out of his ear. I mean, I ain't like that he said that about me. You know what's crazy is I was at Harlem, right?

8:14This biggie's on top of the world. He's performing at the state building. He got that blue polo shirt on. Came across the street from the sneaker store. So I'm out there, right, in the crowd. And the dude walked by me in Harlem with a boombox this big. first off fuck your bitch and the kicks you came you get i was like i'm looking at biggie smalls on stage the first time i heard that record and the dude walked by with the boom box and what was bugging me out because it was the beef was real territorial it was like either you from new york or you from la and this is a guy from harlem he just i felt like god did that to me he just walked by and I knew this shit wasn't going right.

8:58The energy wasn't right. I said, damn. Didn't impound him out of legend? No, he was across the street. He was just walking. I just happened to be across the street. He was just playing his favorite rapper. But I was surprised that he was bumping that while this was going on. Of course, guys like to get their ass with, too. If they come too close, they get their ass with. You know what I'm saying? I want to tell you, I was on Versus and I'm into it with Ja Rule and I said something that came out misconstrued your sister had came out and I didn't even know hold up I didn't know I didn't know I didn't know that's my girl I didn't even know she was backstage he could have brought JLo out and married J I didn't know I was just in the middle of the shit and they ran with it but I salute your sister.

9:54I told her sorry 1 ,000 times. I tell you the same thing. You know what I'm saying? That's the thing. That's the thing. That's the thing. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That's the thing. Yo, I thought I was going to have to pull these out real quick. Oh, you said? Oh, yeah. What the fuck? You know, when you say something nice, you take the flag back. We got to give you an extra flag right now when you say something. You know, we take this shit back. Take it back. But who thought it is? and this was a no-brainer. This should have been happening. No-brainer. Is it like timing where you just say, yo, let's come together, let's do this?

10:32Or who thought of putting y 'all together like that? Yeah, it was definitely a timing thing. You know what I mean? It was like 30 years. They had 30 years. Case had 30. Big shout out to Case, too. Case on the tour, too. Case on the tour, yeah. Case opened that shit up. You know what I mean? Oh, this is fun. Yeah, so. I'm there tonight, baby. 30 years. It's better, baby. I've told him 30 years. I'm at that bar. I'm going there. Stop buying a ticket. Nah, y 'all know about tickets, bro. Come and get out of here. No, I just told them I'm sneaking into Brandy and Monaco on purpose. Like, I'm not buying a ticket.

11:04I'm sneaking in. You want them guys be in the back? I'm like, me plus three. I'm going. I'm brushing the show. Nah, we don't. I gotta go. We don't buy tickets, bro. Yo, you got a problem if you ain't writing stick clothes. I'm bum brushing. I said, move. You're good. You're good. You're good. You're good. I don't even want to go through, yo, who got the tickets, who did. Nah, I'm going in. Nah, y 'all good. No way to stop. Y 'all good. But yeah, that was, you know, pretty much an idea that, like, Slim and I wanted to do something really special, and we wanted to bring back that 90s nostalgia. You know what I mean?

11:41So we're also managed by the same, you know, group. And we were like, yo, aside from that, I know Keish said earlier, you know, she wanted to give 112 their flowers, but we also wanted to give total their flowers as well because they have been so influential, not only in just music, but just in fashion and just how a woman is supposed to, you know, be, you know, like a queen is supposed to be in this industry and beyond, man. So they just epitomize what that means, man. So, you know, what better way for us to show that than to just have them out there and then give them their flowers as well. Like they sisters for real.

12:16Like, like I'll give you a story. Like I know Kima get tired of me telling this same story. So I used to smoke cigarettes and shit, right? Fucked up. Yeah. So this is when I was... Where the flag at? Oh, shit, they ain't giving no flag. Wee! I ain't got no flag. Yeah, I thought it was just that. How you gonna do that? Nah, I was in. The guard needs. So, so, so, so, so, since she would take the, so we had a show, pow. So we had a show with Total, and I was outside already hitting square, right? So, you know, I'm on the block, whatever, hitting square, boom, boom. She comes out. Like, her motto is she fight niggas.

12:55All right, so that's her motto anyway. She fight niggas? She fight niggas. You know, that's off the rip. That's her shit. You know what I mean? So I'm out, so I was hitting the square, boom, boom. She come out of the van. I was like, yo, sis, what's happening? Bam! Smacked the shit right out of my hand. Just like no, like no, first off the rip, like, wow, wow. From that point on, from that point on, no more cigarettes. So, yeah. Because, you know, so, yeah. That's real love. Tough love. So, yeah, yeah. That's real love. Tough love. That was the smartest shit ever happened to you. Absolutely. You know, with cigarettes, you know, both my parents just passed away and it was all a product of smoking cigarettes.

13:37So, my mom's caught cancer early. One thing I could tell you is bullshit that you can't quit. As soon as my mother found cancer, My father quit saying, damn, they used to smoke four packs. That nigga was done. But the damage is done. Shit is a slow leaker. It's like you got a slow flat. 10 years later, 20 years later, they got that CPOD with, you know, your lungs get water and all that. The cigarette shit. First of all, you an old nigga smoking a cigarette right now. If you in front of a building smoking a cigarette, they know your age. You done. Like they know y 'all this guy is a fossil smoking a cigarette smoking this shit but she did the right thing for you Well Keisha we all felt like you got rich and just sailed off to the sunset Flag hit him Oh!

14:33Oh!

14:37Get him! Where you been? She married a superstar She like I felt like Yo, you ain't need this money no more. I felt like, yo, you know, I get jealous of people who can retire. I can't retire. So where you... You're about to do a shooting. Right. Yo, give me one of those. I re... If you will, reconnected with my king. And being in the industry, it was a really crucial time when it was just my spirit. It wasn't working right with my spirit. And when Omar and I reconnected, he was in LA. I had just shortly moved to Smyrna, Georgia. And our plan was, we're not going to let this go. To where Smyrna, Georgia?

15:25Smyrna, yeah, Smyrna. I've been everywhere. Nah, it's Carl County. Yeah. So he was living in LA and our plan was to never not realize the blessing of each other, the presence of each other. We wanted to start our family. And for him, he said, I want you to do what your heart desire is. And living in L.A., seeing kind of how people move, I didn't want our kids to grow up, like, empty. So that was my choice. Or in the Hollywood part of L.A., like the Beverly Hills and all that. No, we in the cut. Yeah, but... But the school, that's what you're saying. Our kids went to private school. You want them to have culture.

16:07Yes. You know, Sierra came in and she lives here now because her husband's the thing. She said she'd take them to the bodega. let them hear the old man argue with the man behind the boat. She's like, this is real life. She's like, we trying to give these people some kind of culture because the plan is to have our kids look better than us, but they gotta know. My daughter better know not to feed a lion in the state. Because your ass is gone. Now they gotta have the best of both girls and they get that. Me from New Jersey, Omar from New York. You know? Smyrna, Georgia. I like shit like that. I always wanted to live somewhere like that.

16:47You know what I'm saying? Some Savannah, some shit like I've never been able to, man. You know, I've always been into bullshit. Like I'm even New York, Miami, shit gotta be hectic. I really want to chill. So chill. Try it. Nah. But you can find a balance. You can find a balance. I've never seen a lot of crazy things do off this energy. I'm trying to figure it out. I think they know Fat Joey for 30 years, man. They know the dog. You know what I'm saying? Man, he want to chill. Go live somewhere where he can really chill. Who does that? I mean, well. You be chilling. I be chilling. You have to. I don't know how to chill.

17:31That's where all the peace is. You know what I'm saying? But it's crazy, right? You work and then you chill. That's the balance. I saw you out there in Miami. I was staying in Northmont. I was in Bell Harbor then. I thought, you know, you were you thought I was chilling? I mean, I mean, I'm chilling. But let me tell you something. Here we go. I paid taxes yesterday. I stood home and chilled. My ass was in that fucking Michael Jackson the air machine.

18:07I'm in the hydroconical like Like, I don't know what the fuck these people be doing to us with this shit. Like, paying all the fucking taxes? This shit is un-fucking-believable. I'm sitting up in there twitching this shit.

18:27My family trying to keep me company and shit. My family trying to keep me company. Like, yo, Joe, you want some wings or something? this shit that's the only time I chill when I gotta pay that bill right there that shit is legendary what? but it's a good problem to have that means you doing something right you doing something right it's better than getting locked up and chilling in the bed that was too fat so you talk about a guy who used to eat free lunch and government cheese They got me back, man. They got me. They got me for all the government cheese. These motherfuckers got me. I done bought shiploads of fucking government cheese with my taxes.

19:16This shit crazy. People are government lost, man. Oh! It's out of control what's happening to the people. It's crazy. That's true. The one thing they do got is the beautiful music. You guys got timeless music. I sit in my pool, man, in the summer, man. I listen to y 'all shit back to back to back to back. I often perform back to back on y 'all because I know we have the statesman now so I need a day in between. Oh man. So for this year, because of what was going on in the world and the country right now, what we wanted to do was we wanted to make sure that people weren't trying to decide on buying Christmas presents or Thanksgiving getting dinner and going to concerts.

20:05You know what I'm saying? So what we did was we scaled back for this year and we overloaded for next year. We want everybody to see exactly what y 'all are getting. You know what I'm saying? We basically putting the spear touching all six senses inside of theaters. You know what I'm saying? So you're getting, you're definitely getting your money's worth. And next year, it'll be, you know, back to back to back for the rest of the 15 or 18 of the shows that we got. What is it? How many back-to-backs we got? 60. 60. Back-to-backs? Oh, no, my shit fucked up. I can't do it. That's when you got to get your drip.

20:40I'm telling you, I can't do it. Did you get the drip? The man said, I did a three, a triple play. Ain't that some bullshit? I keep complaining, but I do three shows in one. I don't give a fuck. I'm going to get the back. You got to get the back. Boca Raton here, Club 11, three in the morning. You feel me? So I did a show, Club 11, man. I ain't going to lie, it was the third show. I didn't have the right energy. Fluidity was good. Two, three months ago, I didn't have the right energy. And the promoter who books me all the time, great, Club 11, you go to Miami. Yes, it's amazing. The man hit me up and was like, yo, man, you ain't had the right energy.

21:16I said, next time, I'm going to give you double the show. I'm going to have that energy. And I slept all day. When I went to Club 11, like last week, man, I'm bouncing around. I did the whole catalog for the month. Nah, because we ain't got them. they the guys buying, they the El Chopper you let one of the motherfuckers tell you you ain't doing right, you do about four or five, I do about four or five Club 11's a year, right and when we round that shit off to the nearest tent we don't want to fuck that bag up you don't want that off the table Big told us some shit a long time ago he was like yo I'm gonna do matinees from now on I'm gonna do matinees and I'm gonna do a show at night we was like bro you bugging he was like nah if I can get it in, you know, a matinee, like during the day and then one at night.

22:07I'm doing that shit for like, what did he, how much he said he was doing them shit for? But he was like, I'm bringing... He was talking about making a million and fast. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was something like, but he gave, he's dropping jewels, right? So he was just like, yo, y 'all need to do matinees. And I was like, bro, you know, we sing, so we can't really do that shit. You know, like a matinee and a show at night. You know what I mean? But we like where you're going with that shit. You know what I mean? But he was like, yo, I'm doing a matinee. I saw right after, right after. First of all, I'm old, right?

22:38Season, we seasoned. No, no, no. If I got a late show, I'm taking the fucking old man nap. Everything. I'm in the car, I'm taking the, I got, my shit is calculated. If we're driving to Jersey, I'm sleeping. I want to bring my own pillow. But what I'm saying to you is. Yeah, that's some old man shit right there. Rich, how good do I know, Rich? How good do I know this guy? Me and Spain, son of you. Because of COVID, I don't know if they realized, but they started throwing like brunch parties. I mean, 5 ,000. Like that shit was fucking lit. Like you looking on the ground, that shit was like, yo, we could go, we could actually lie to our wife and say we went golfing and we at the brunch.

23:28Oh my God. Nah. What is that? Yo, let me tell you something. Fat Joe can't get away with that. But somebody not famous was in them shits. Let me tell you something. Tell you something. That's coming back. It's okay. It ain't on me. I ain't go to none of them shits. I'm just telling you. Whoever did, you finished them. Whoever wasn't famous, they were saying they going somewhere to work or whatever. And they was in that brunch, 12 noon. Shit was home at 4 o 'clock I got booked at 9 in the morning It looked like You see that? That's old TV shit by the way 9 in the morning I pulled up in the People was coming out Growing up, getting walked out I want to know They was up from the night before No, that's what I thought I'm thinking there's nobody in there And this shit is dead as hash browns.

24:31When it is, look like the million. It was crazy at nine. I went on about 1030. That shit looked like. You hear that? I think that shit worked, right? That was the illest shit I ever been. Camillo trying to get us to that? Oh, I be full energy at nine in the morning. Oh, the chav wasn't right. You know, the dad got to be right. The chav was right. The chav was right. The charm that man got to be. People at 10.30 in the morning was crazy. I didn't think that could even happen. Nah, nah, nah. They like straight up. Yeah, but that's what I'm talking about. They was throwing parties like that first thing in the morning.

25:105 ,000 people popping champagne. Those are seasoned folk that came out at that time. They don't want to do that three in the morning shit, two in the morning. They'll be dizzy by the time. Yeah. Yes, sir. A normal person, not a rapper, who's used to that time, it's three in the morning? I ain't gonna... I'm early. I go to the studio in the morning after the gym. See, that's what I'm talking about. Okay. Hey, I thought it was my voice change. Are you guys still in the studio? Like, in the studio? Yes. Yes. So what's that? Like, the clubhouse? Well, like... So we got our own studio. We all want to have our own studio.

25:49But we love starting, like, in the morning. Yeah, starting in the morning. Yeah, because, I mean, your voice is nice and refreshed. You just woke up. You know what I'm saying? We do our little regiment, man. Let's go. I think I got to buy a studio. He in the studio every day. I'm not in the studio. Yeah. Why not? Gotta stay posh. I got too much shit, too much life going on. Too much money. I go there when it's something. No, I ain't got too much money. No such time. That sounds like a money movie. No searching. No, sir. I ain't got too much money. My thing is like I, I, it sounds whack, but it's like I I got to like motivate myself to go to the studio now.

26:27Before it was like, I'm in the studio every day. I don't care. Now I got to be like, like now I'm in a fucked up position. I told one of my best friends on earth, the lovey, I'm going to dinner with him tonight. And I've been excited for that all day. Now y 'all tell me y 'all in Brooklyn. Bring them this. Six, seven. I ain't going there. Six, seven. Six, seven. Y 'all got me six. 7.08. Hell yeah. I'm fucked up. I'm like, damn, this is... You're here for me. I'm going. Can you do early dinner? I'm there. Yeah, I think it might be an early dinner. What time y 'all get on stage? They go on there.

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27:058.15 for Mace, right? She is. I like that. We go on there 10. I said Mace. For Case. Case was the man back in the day. The ladies love Case back in the day. They still love Case, right? He look like a whole problem. What the fuck, Case? He still love... Man, if you were to see, they were going crazy. I'm trying to say, certain ladies. Here you go. Let me see which one. Get ready, man. They always bring his name up when we talk about that era. It's like Case was outside. Yeah, yes. This is what I'm trying to tell you. Certain 80 friends of mine, they'd be like, y 'all, Case was a problem and shit like that.

27:47You know, he was out there. That's okay. Case was outside. You know, they didn't have social media, so you know what I'm saying. Every day, we all bring. Thank God we came up in the town with no... We can't even... Social media ruined love. Social media ruined love. Yeah, ruined love. Yes? Then my mom's in pocket. They never had nothing. No, they ain't tampered. They ruined love.

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34:19What I'm saying is, thank God we come up at a time where it wasn't social media because they force you to leave your partner now. Before you discuss with your partner now that, yo, I think this ain't working out, they throw the line on the shade wall. They like, and the ball on that. Done. Fat Joe had an argument in public. It's over. And then now the pressure coming, yo, girl. You know, that's why I never did a reality show. Because I was like, now everybody in you, it's something you go through something with your wife or your husband, y 'all can work that out. Now it's on TV and your friend is giving her fucking advice.

34:56Yo, I don't know about this shit. He talking like this. I'd have definitely got thrown out of my house if I had a Fat Joe show or the Carter Genius. done deal out of my house because I'm weird I'm unorthodox but my wife understand me but if you watching on TV you like fuck him get rid of him girl get rid of him it's coming to line fuck him fuck the shit everybody accustomed to their partner certain people certain way you know what I'm saying but you know that social media shit it's hard for the youth. It's a lot of pressure for the youth in every way, shape, or form. You know. No such thing as dating.

35:42Huh? No such thing as dating, like asking a girl. They don't know how to talk to each other. My daughter speaks about that all the time. Like, you know, you're sliding in the DM. Text each other. That's right. They don't know how to be gorgeous. Safe to say it's easier for guys now. Before you have to jump out the whip and be like, hey, what's up, girl? What's going on? You know, you got how that Luther Vandross when you pull up on the whip. So once you get in the whip, that shit come. It's not on. They'll probably do that shit. Now they take them on a date and they on the phone right next to them.

36:17Like, you want a soda? Sure. I think guys are bolder. Younger guys are bolder now through the text than they are in person. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But you know what's crazy about it is like the standard. is like push because I tell my sons, I'm like, look, not pay attention. Understand what entertainment social media is entertainment. You got some people who actually live that. They'll look at certain people that they look up to and say, oh, she wears this. Oh, that's where they go to or whatever. I require you to take me first time. You know what I'm saying? You'll spend about a thousand dollars on dinner.

36:53It's got to be this first way before we even know each other. You know what I'm saying? What's that bullshit list that places you couldn't don't. Listen, every last one of my dates, Red Garstown, Olive Garden, Carabas. I think the women... Hold on. Chatter Biscuits. Yeah, mate. Hey, man, listen. Taco freaking Bell, bro. If she loves you, if she loves you, I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. We want to eat a little healthy. Taco Bell for a date. See, I never had a problem because I'm like eating. I'm fat junk. I'm going to eat steak and lobster every night no matter what. You come along for the ride, I don't give a fuck, right?

37:41But my thing is, I think the women won. Like, they won. Why? Because guys. They won. Yes. They won. Because the guys are like manipulators, and you're going to get over on whoever you're going to get over. So sometimes a girl didn't know her worth back in the day. And before she figured that shit out, you done ran through. You out of here. Now, at least now they know through Instagram, they like, yo, this is a Kelly. You want to take me out? This is a Kelly Hermes. Go get your weight up. You know what I'm saying? And these guys, I don't know what the fuck they doing to get the shit. Because it seems like everybody got a$20 ,000 bag on Instagram.

38:22See, that's the reason why. So I got daughters, right? I got two daughters, 18 and a 13-year-old. So ever since they were little girls, I would always open doors for them. Yes, ma 'am. No, ma 'am. You know, just so they know this is the standard. So my 18 year old, like now she both my kids, like they'll sit there and wait. Like, I think you don't get this door. Like, you know, it's the it's the look, you know, so but it's already in their head now. So they know that there's a standard to how I'm supposed to be treated. So that's that's how, you know, I did it, man, with my man. And I would advise and I would encourage any man or any woman that has daughters to treat them as if how you want them to be treated when they are in somebody else's.

39:00Yeah, man. Yeah, it's definitely Southern hospitality. But it's just I want whomever she ends up with to treat her the same way that I treat her. You know what I mean? So that's why I'm opening doors. I'm listening and I'm doing all these things because raising girls is a lot different my boy them dudes, stop, cut that out but the girls, you have to actually listen and then they could have told you that, yeah, it was red yesterday it's blue today it's the same thing we're talking about, but it's red today, tomorrow it's blue, okay, and I'm like, babe we just talked about the same, you know what, I'm a girl you know, so Talk that King talk.

39:42Everything you saw in this industry and life and everything, how you deal with having a young daughter? I think it's just it's kind of more like what Prince was saying, Mike. It's what you put, what you instill in them is raising them that way to show her what she's deserving of and having real conversations. In our house, we have real conversations. It's always our little lounge room, living room, comfy in there. You know, got the TV going. We eat together and you sit down and you have real conversations. Our kids, we have, we've been blessed to have really great relationships with my son who's 17 and my daughter Kamari 21.

40:18We have real conversations. Like talk to your dad. There's some game I can't give you. I can give you what I have as a woman, but it's some game I can't give you that your father can give you that it makes all the sense in the world. And maybe if it don't make sense right now, eventually it will. That's right. But just take his word. Cause she, that's the first man that she trusts. That's right. First teacher. But I also think a lot we got to change within the music because that's the driving force of how people show up. How the guy approaches the female, how the male approaches, you know what I mean?

40:51How the female, what she's expecting. We have real conversations like, no, that's not fair that they're going out there. 21, they're going out. You expecting the guy to buy you this and buy it. Where are you getting the money from? you know so I think with the music we still have good music but we're not vulnerable in our music anymore we don't talk about love like it's this whole thing like with men and and you know the stuff that men y 'all gotta carry so much and saying y 'all can't be a man a real man is transparent with that partner he can he can talk about what his feelings are you know you know I just had this conversation with nephew, his son, where he was like, you know, some artists of today, they just want to get whatever the bag is.

41:35If the bag is stupid, they're going to do that shit for the bag. We come up a time where we pay homage. We had De La Soul. To me, they're gods. They're fucking legends of all legends, gods of gods. So when we come, I want my followers or my fans to know, yo, this is fucking royalty. Right. And they kind of like missing that with the youth where they just like, it's not about the culture. It's not about the message. It's not about, it's more like stick them up wherever, you know. And that shit don't last long. Right. And so that integrity is what's missing. And whenever we have the youth, because all the time we doing this, we teaching.

42:22Right. So that's what this show is all about. Teaching. it's people need to hear that it's people dealing with that it's people need to hear everything we saying you know out there who really been following you for 30 years following us for 30 years and they're like alright cool because everybody dealing everybody got teenage daughters fucking guys coming up in the game it's great that you touched on that though bro because that's one thing that we one of the main reasons why we wanted to do this tour outside of you know getting at that bread but but real real rap there is something to be said about the way that we treat our culture and we treat our artists that is seasoned if you will versus like rock music and talk slow to them Mike we don't age out over there black don't crack we don't age out like we get better over time and it's like if you're a certain age in R &B and in hip hop you're considered old or antiquated or whatever but you know in rock world right now if Errol Smith Aerosmith right now, if they was like, yo, we're going on tour right now, that shit will be sold out in like two minutes.

43:28Forget about it. You know what's okay? And so we got to give... Yeah, go ahead. Go, go. And you know, just to add on to it, man, we definitely have to get out on our genres as far as support, too. Like, I went to a Pearl Jam concert one time, right? Big shout out to Pearl Jam. Fucking love it. Hey, man. Get out of here. The lead singer was young, but he sounded just like the lead singer right right right he was a new he was a new man but the people there they were like embraced in the music so what so i'm sitting there i'm just soaking in all the energy you know i'm saying my my mind is a catalog is crazy and all of a sudden the people start that was around start noticing who i was and they were like hey man well we don't see y 'all, you know, we don't see you, you know what I'm saying, whatever, whatever.

44:18And I was like, man, you know, because things wasn't the way it was at the time. And they were like, look, I don't care how we hear this music. We just want to hear this music. Hey, I can't name three people up in here, but when that record came on, that whole stadium lit up. And it's just unfortunate that, you know what I'm saying, people don't know what's going on behind the scenes. but to even get there, we're already like told what we can't do from the time we first started. You know what I'm saying? But so for us to get to this situation right here, like we at our 30th year and you're seeing us and you're hearing us and you're feeling us at this level right here.

45:03We've already won at this point. You know what I'm saying? So I'm going to encourage everybody out there. You know what I'm saying? Hey man, support. our culture. You know what I'm saying? People build their music comes from us. And we gotta walk that walk. Because I'm a Grammy voter too so I made it a response like I felt incumbent to not only just talk about the fact that yo man they always voting for the same people. Nah bro now I'm a Grammy voter so I'm gonna do my part as well and just all the artists that I love and that I know that don't get that kind of support that, you know, that the majors will just put behind or whatever.

45:45So, like, it's more than just saying, you know, you we should support what it's actually doing the actions or whatever, man. But, you know, it is something to be said about how we treat our artists is like if you're not popping, if you're not relevant at the time, then it's like your whole catalog went away. And it's like your whole your whole body of work. We sacrifice everybody. everybody here has 30 years or more of sacrifice. Like people don't understand what it takes to be in the music industry. So how much shit you have to give up, how much that you, you miss, you miss out on graduations, birthdays, funerals, all this other stuff, man.

46:21Just to, it's crazy. Like we knew what it was, what the Bible say to whom much is given much is required. Right. So we w we've been given a lot, but at the same time we had to give a lot as well, man. So I don't think that part of the industry never gets talked about enough. Or if it does, it's like y 'all complaining, y 'all rich, you know, y 'all millionaires and all this other stuff, man. So, you know, y 'all don't have a right to complain. You don't have a right to, you know, and no, we're human. We're just as human as everybody else. And like Keisha was saying, we have vulnerabilities as well.

46:52And the great thing about it is like you guys platform, we're able to speak on these kind of things or whatever, because for so many years, we were unable to speak about the fact that, yo, man, like I'm sick as a dog right now. Not sick and contagious like anything like that, but like vocally, I don't know how I'm going to do this show tonight, but I'm going to push through. But people don't want to hear that shit. They're like, yo, I paid my money. I need you singing tonight. You know what I mean? So some kind of way, I'm going to push through it. But it's that thing. It's those things that people don't understand.

47:22You know what I mean? And so I'm glad that we're able to. And I want to thank you guys as well on behalf of Total M124. Give my man Mike a peppermint tea or something over there. Give me a medicine ball, son. I'm thinking like this is psychiatrist. Put some vodka in there right now, right? Because I'm sitting back here listening to y 'all. And I'm saying to myself a couple of things. The reason why I started this saying what took so long for y 'all to collaborate together and do this. Because to me, if I was around y 'all, this was a no brain. Right. Right. With no disrespect. Let me give you, I like to tell a humbling story of mine before I tell somebody a humbling thing, right?

48:00So I remember I went through the taxes. You know, they took all my money. I was fucked up. I went to see Pitbull said, you know, Pitbull said, yo, Joe, come see me, right? So I go see Pitbull. His house is on the water. Like, you know. Yes. I took Pitbull's demo to TVT and got him his record deal. Me, Fat Joe. Now I come to him. I'm at the brokest of my life. He's on the water. He's buying hospitals and schools all the time. Just take that. He was like, yo, Joe, I want to give you some money. What can I do to help you? I was like, yo, Pitt, you can't give me no money. I don't get down like that.

48:40But Joe, let me give you some brokest. Like, he really was probably the only person begging me to give me some money. Right? And I was like, yo, Pitt, how you get this shit? He said, that's easy. I watched every mistake you made. He said, you should have signed Little Wayne when he came to Miami. You should have signed Rick Ross. You could have signed Pitbull. You could have signed. He said, I watched everything you did. And I did the opposite. Now, I had to take that criticism at the time. I had to look at it and be like, damn. And just reevaluate mistakes and shit I did and how I had to move.

49:15And so what I'm telling you is because of this era, it was a time I was really pissed. Right. Because they were saying guys like you, right? Say you lost your deal when you 26 years old. They were like the old school at noon and playing 112 and everybody I grew up with. And I'm like, yo, old school at noon, these motherfuckers only 24. Right. And then I feel like that era really let them do that to them. You know, we from an era, we say, fuck you. We doing whatever the fuck we going to do. so with us hip hop I think like Jay-Z took ownership I mean everybody started just taking ownership saying fuck y 'all we gonna do what we wanna do and if you say you know how many times I had friends tell me yo it's over like I had one of my best friends tell me yo you should quit already it's over I'm like what I came out with Lean Back like two months later I was like fuck are you talking about every time when we did all the way up I'll tell you this story.

50:20I was coming to the studio. These kids already had yellow hair, green hair, purple. Motherfucker looking at me like the old nigga on the couch. Yo, what's up, OG? What's up, Unk? Walking through, you know what I mean? Like, they thought I was washed. And then we come all the way up, this shit, go number one. So it's like I never let them dictate what we doing. Like, right now, we jump up in the podcast space. We a little late, but we had to come do this because they got to hear y 'all and your side of the story and we got to teach. This is all about teaching. This is what we do, whether we have the youth, we have the OGs, whatever the case may be.

51:01There's no question. So what I'm trying to tell y 'all is this, whether y 'all don't know it, any time your music come on, this shit is legendary. Oh, yeah. Every fucking time. That's fine. Every time. Every time. Every time your shit come on and they can't take that from you. So you got something. God bless you with something that you could go 10 years from now, the total 112, who gives a fuck? They want to see it again. And then the more mature the fan, the more they got money in their pocket to spend two packs. So let me just say this. We're definitely in line exactly what you're saying. So 112 Hose Movement, you know what I'm saying?

51:44Big shout out to our management team. You know what I'm saying? And like years ago, you know what I'm saying? We got a chance to actually put the reins in our hands where, you know, when people were like shutting the door saying, no, we don't think you're up to this standard or whatever we did. What we did was we shot our own Polestar numbers up and we traveled around the world. We believed in ourselves. We brand ourselves. And that's what we did. And then we learned the knowledge of the game. And then we made the actual agencies come to us. So with this tour that you see, we earned it. We earned it by selling out whatever place that they put it to, whether it was, yes, arenas.

52:30No, no, you're right. And what we did was we sold it out for years. And so same agencies then had to retract what they said and now had to cut the check. So exactly what you see, you know, with 112 and you're seeing total and the whole case situation. Yes, we are getting the flowers and thank you. Thank everybody out there. But I just want everybody to understand that this is a business, too. And you know what I'm saying? You have to earn it. It's less of that talk. We always come. It's like, thank you. You know what I'm saying? Whatever. But it's a reason. It's just like how you all created this podcast.

53:10You didn't say, oh, it's so many other podcasts or whatever. No, y 'all took it. And then that's why y 'all number one. So, you know what I'm saying? So thank God for our people. Thank God for our people that, you know what I'm saying? Believed in us. We own this shit. Yes, sir. We own this shit. Exactly. We're Boston and shit. So we got freedom. We talk to whoever we want to talk to. Facts. We do whatever the fuck we want to do. And we don't give a fuck. And that was the difference. No, it's the truth. No, it's the truth. No. there's the difference between when we all came up to now I hate it right being signed to a major label Fat Joe the Gangster motherfucking scared they even talk to me their lips are shaking in the street I gotta talk to this bozo John Wolfington and be like hey could you really promote my record you know how embarrassed I would have been in the streets if they would have seen videos of that shit are you gonna push the button this time buddy I bought you some sandwiches so you could like, fuck out of here.

54:17I had to take power in my own hands and go independent. I wasn't scared. I was like, man, fuck these dudes. And I've been winning ever since. But it's about taking the power in your hands. I want to ask you a question. Don't want to answer. It may be a little something. But with the controversy, do you worry about, not now, obviously not. but was you at the time worrying about your catalog or how people would receive your music? I know it had nothing to do with you, but you know, y 'all fall in that whole thing. Anybody want to answer that? So do we clear. We're talking about Diddy, right? You know what we're talking about.

54:54It made them want to hear it more. Exactly. We thought about it, but it wasn't. You trust your mind until they play and you see other no people still love you and it has really nothing to do with you nothing to do with us at all but at first you said same music at first you said yo this might be fucking our shit up like because you could catch it it was not so much sad it's more something you just thought about like you know it could possibly been a trickle effect but thank god it was not so I'm gonna tell you something like and big shout out to Tony Neal out there for uh uh core DJ yeah big shout out what's up boy So he called me.

55:39That's my homie. He called me when it first popped off. And I was like, well, you got to look at it on the one side. You know what I'm saying? We saw our royalty shoot up like a thousand percent. Why? Because the younger people didn't even know who did he and stuff. You know what I'm saying? At first. What was the music? But they said, what is the music? So who are these people? That's whatever. And then it was like, okay. Somebody go to jail. That shit spark up a thousand percent. For some reason, that's what it is. That's your catalog. So then I said, OK, well, now this is what we're going to do, because what he was worried about was, oh, man, I wonder what I heart radio and what's going to do.

56:13So he put me on a phone with somebody that was an executive. And I was like, hey, because I already know how it feels like when you when you go independent and now you're the CEO of your own stuff, your conversation goes different. It's not like you're sitting sheepishly as an artist. You're now the CEO. And I know because I dropped so fly and it went double platinum independent. right? Talk that shit. Talk that shit I was in the face. You make a phone call you say hey I'm gonna talk to the person who runs the southeastern side of you know what I'm saying Walmart. Hey how come my stuff is not here or whatever you know what I'm saying make it happen.

56:50Same thing what Tony did he put me on the phone with somebody from iHeart and it happened and I know we don't worry about it. Yo Tony Nill man we love you man we thank you for all the years of supporting us as artists. Yes sir. You always been true to the game, man. We love you, brother. You know, here we get them flowers, you know what I'm saying? You know, he just caught the blessing on the humble, you know what I'm saying, on the walkthrough. Somebody going to tell him, yo, you seen the podcast? They was bigging you up, Tony. You a fucking legend, bro. He might be just about to close the deal.

57:25Somebody need to hear that shit. Like, damn, they bigged up Tony Neal. That's important. Yes. I was worried about it, right? So, you know, I worry about everybody. Let me tell you something I thought about. I was going to say, yeah, all right. What are you saying? I worry about everybody. Because the oppressors, the oppressors, the people who've been playing with us in this business, they always try to make us feel like we don't love each other. Yeah. While we're not really, like, in the class of whatever, or whatever the case. And that's a fucking lie. The minute I hear somebody sick, somebody passed, somebody this, somebody this, I hurt.

58:06Even though I don't see y 'all every day, I just be like, damn, man, what the fuck, whatever. They have you thinking that it's all competition, that we don't love each other, but we really love each other. Our situation, I'm going to tell you to keep it real, that might shot up tremendously. That's beautiful. And for a person that, you know what I'm saying, you can control your public. You turn a negative to a positive. So we here. Yeah, we here. Oh, no, no, no, you're more than here. You guys represent a time of music that cannot even be matched. That's right. Or fucking duplicated. That's an error.

58:37You know what I'm saying?

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1:02:09In adults with obesity, moderate to severe OSA is a condition where breathing is interrupted during sleep with loud snoring, choking, gasping for air, and even daytime fatigue. Let's just say it can sound a lot like this. Sound familiar? Learn more at don'tsleeponosa.com. This information is provided by Lilly, a medicine company. What's your man, Stephen A. Smith? You too, bro. Steven A. Smith came on he was like yo man you know my mic fucked up at the Yankee World Series it was an honor for me I grew up five blocks away so they put the fucking delay on my shit so he talking about yo Ice Cube did it flawlessly I said bro I practiced three times a day the shit was perfect when they turned it on the shit had a delay there's nothing I can do about it but I almost felt like he was disvaluing my motherfucking monsters.

1:03:06My shit, number one, Billboard, all them shits I played in Yankee Stadium was number one, Billboard 100, number one. Not the fucking this chart or that chart. Let's just admit it. So my brother, Steven, when I went home and I thought about it, I said, yo, Steve, you discrediting that. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. That shit ain't no regular shit coming on. Facts. Nothing can stop me, I'm all the way up. God, you can't discredit them missiles. Come on, man. We know Ice Cube, the God of Gods, and we're going to salute the message. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Unless he's playing the big tweet. All of us.

1:03:52Huh? I said all of us. Put us all in the movie, goddammit. Right? But my thing is, they can't discredit your catalog. You know, I was listening to you the other day. What's the part of the song that you go like, Tony, Tony, Tony? Feels good. You couldn't wait to do that shit.

1:04:13You couldn't wait to go, feels good. Hey, man. Who some of the guys influenced you? Because, you know, you guys are legends to everybody. Who influenced you? Well, I sound originated from Take Six and Commission. So those two gospel groups, they gave us that initial sound. And then big shout out to Tim and Bob, who basically molded our sound into what it was. But our three, like we always say, we have a trifecta, right, of three groups that always were like the tier before 112. And that's New Edition, Jodeci and Boys and Men. So those three was like those pioneers, like untouchable. You had the soulfulness from Jodeci.

1:04:52You had the harmonies and the songs and the beautiful songs. Well, Jodeci beautiful songs as well. from boys to men. And then you had the overall entertainment aspect from New Edition. So that was a trifecta as far as 112 was concerned. And then we were that tier underneath, you know, some of those guys. So like, that's how we looked at it. But we also had like major influences everywhere because we toured with Whitney and the Isley brothers and Janet and Buff Daddy and the family in New Edition. Yeah. So we all, like you said, taking it back and paying homage, we learned something from all of them.

1:05:23Like, you know, we learned how to be, you know, classy with the Isley brothers, We learned how to embrace an entire audience with Whitney. And we learned how to be entertainers with New Edition. And, you know, it was just, it was all those lessons, man, we learned from. So we learned from everybody, man. We learned from Total. We learned from the Lox. It's crazy. It's like when we first met the Lox, we thought Mace was in the group. We thought Mace was like the fourth member in the Lox when we first met. That shit was great. We thought Mace was in the group. I can't wait till I give this man this check.

1:05:57I can't wait till y 'all give me the biggest check this man ever seen in his life. I can't fucking wait. Right? Because he fucked with me, but he know I got the master plan. Don't worry about it. I know how to get to the dollar. You know what I'm saying? Who are some of your influences? Man, you know, well, for me, having an untraditional voice, man, I always looked at artists like, you know, Rafael Sadiq, Stokely or something like that, Babyface, Elder Barge, Ron Isley. Yeah, man. It's just like the people who had different style of voices where, you know, first, like if they whisper, you know exactly who they are.

1:06:36So I had to understand my voice and find my place. You know what I'm saying? Thank Brent Mike for understanding like, OK, he doesn't have the most traditional voice, but he'd be in the group. You know what I'm saying? And I just felt like my part of being in the group was, you know, of course, whatever the harmonies are, what we're supposed to do. But when it's my turn to sing, then I need to understand my voice and understand like, OK, when you sing Slim, you know, that's going to differentiate us from anyone else. You know what was crazy? When Slim first got in the group, he didn't sing in the leads.

1:07:16he was not he didn't sing any leads whatsoever right huff sat us all down and was like yo this y 'all lead singer and at first we were like yo you bugging you know i mean because like we don't have a lead singer yeah we didn't have any weak links or whatever but he understood the business aspect of him it's like yo this dude got one of the most distinctive voices on earth like it like if you hear him you immediately associate his voice with 112 so that didn't that didn't belittle the rest of us, you know what I'm saying, as far as like what we were able to contribute. But you've heard my voice before.

1:07:48I'm one of them David Ruffin, Sam Cooke kind of dudes, you know what I mean? So that's, you've heard that. Yeah, Donnie Hathaway. You've heard that soulfulness. You've heard that before. So, but with him, you've never heard a dude like that before. Even with all the people that he said he was influenced by, you never really heard his voice before. Right. Because we had what? Drew Hill. Who else was out there? Next. Next, Asget, Lade, all of them. You see when the man punished his little son, he made him do the Drew Hill. Do the Drew Hill. Do the Drew Hill. Give me 10 more, motherfucker, doing the Drew Hill.

1:08:23We're going to make him do some 112 choreography. They're going to be sweating. Take a look at what I have a choreography. Look at it. Hey, yo, y 'all need to do one with It's Over Now. Do the choreography on that. Them kids will never do anything bad in their life again. Ten times. They'll never do nothing bad in their life again. Who influenced y 'all? Mary J. Blige total yes yes as far as total growing up for me it was Whitney Houston Stephanie Mills Luzer Vandross oh come on those are my favorites by the way yeah let's go even Sister Sledge Shock the Con Sister Sledge like and then I remember as far as like our presentation and our delivery and style it was the LaBelle's yeah that's what that's what Puff saw and said.

1:09:11You know, that's crazy because you got some of my top fives too. That's nuts. Stephanie Mills, she the queen, you know? I'm so happy for her, this moment that she's... Right now, right? I told her, yo, babe, I knew her ahead of time. You know, Stephanie Mills, my girl, you know, we on a different level, you know what I'm saying? We got matching furs, you know? One year she came, she had a show, I came pull up with the peach and chill up down to her fucking ankles. She didn't even know why I gave it to her. I said, here you go. Where would help? Stephanie Mills, my girl. Don't do that. Why you saying you knew me?

1:09:49I'm just saying it. I love y 'all. This synergy is funny. I mean, dope. Baby face my friend. Hold on, hold on. Baby face my friend. You know he come to my birthday parties. This is not a lie. You can Google this shit. He don't believe it when I tell him I'm cool. with people. So you can call Babyface because me and Kima are looking for a record. Super facts I could call Babyface. I tell them they're looking for a record. Are you going to get them a record? I don't know if I'm going to get them the record. I can't tell you what the man is doing. Yeah, yeah. You want me to tell him? You want me to tell him I can get Babyface?

1:10:30I'm not. Fuck, man. I can't even believe I know. We can't say what should have been because it could have been. It should have been, right? It's going to be. every time. You sound like dead in the middle of Little Italy over there.

1:10:51I was doing, what did you do earlier? Oh, I didn't even know what the fuck. Keisha, I'm fried. I tell them though, some people don't know when they fry. I know I'm fried. I'm fried. I forget everything. I don't give a fuck, man. You know what I'm saying? Yo, I'm like a horse. You put the blinders on me and say the bags got away and I'm going. I gotta go get that shit. That's what it's all about. That's what's up. But yeah, Stephanie Mills, man, she's everything to me. You went back to Stephanie.

1:11:29The moment she had on TikTok, we did it. We went super viral, huh? You were scared to do that shit, man. You ain't want to sing like that. That ain't my style. Y 'all hit him with the Euro style. You singing? I ain't know I have moves. I was doing the singing. He was doing the dance. Oh, yeah. He didn't want to do the dance. I said, yo, I wish. Let me tell you, if I could throw my whole rap career in and be an R &B singer, I would have did it a long time ago. I think Remy, too. Remy would have did the same shit. Like, we fake singers. We want to sing. Nah, we love Remy. No, we love her. But, you know, it's like...

1:12:07You see? Kima want to rap. Kima want to rap. She's smart. MC Kima. Good rap. Slim did the Stephanie Mills joint with us. Y 'all did it? Me and Kima. Man, but see, they threatened me. Slim was dancing. They threatened me because they straight up said... So you was doing the old school dance? Man, I was going hard on the old school dance. You got to go hard on that motherfucker. That's how we all going to be on the tour. So I mean, yo, man. I gotta get out of here. For all the kids, I've seen so many mothers force their little kids, 11 years old, to do the old school dances. They jumping up and down.

1:12:36They doing the Drew Hill shit. The new edition shit. The new edition, do me a favor. You're 45, 50 plus. I'm going to the new edition show. I always do. Don't do the dance. Don't do the routine. Don't do that. It's not allowed. That's like LeBron James doing the young. He can't do that. It's over. No, I need New Edition to do they steps, man We need them to do they steps If you a grown ass man Don't do the steps Let them do it Let them do it I got friends of mine Real guys 20 in jail If it is a lot I'll be like, yo, my man But you know what, though? We got a whole bunch of hardcore cats Be coming out there and just waiting to sing Cupid just like we can do I'll sing it like that too that's what I'm talking about nothing you can do with that one that's your Cupid yeah that Cupid set last night was amazing and um player y 'all have to come see the show I'm sorry like it took me back I'm like I just became a new fan of y 'all's in rehearsal now we're new fans again and seeing this show y 'all have to come see if we can cancel dinner tonight oh man it's It's crazy.

1:13:59Y 'all got to come to the show. Y 'all got to come to the show. I got to come to the show. You got to come. That was awesome. I got to come to the show. You pulled up on me. It was an all hip hop show. I think Sacramento or something. Exactly. I don't know what the fuck you was doing in Sacramento, but he pulled up. Yeah, man. Big shout out to E-40. Don't join on. Don't join on. He came and bodied the whole stadium. Exactly. I knew it. Come on now. No, Slim bodied the whole fucking stadium. Big shout out to all my family out there All the friends out there in Sacramento Everybody knows I'm an Oakland Raiders fan Through and through You know who I did that one time too I was on a run I caught you in Sacramento And in here, Elder Barge He finally showed up You know I've been chasing Elder Barge My whole fucking life That man don't show up to shit I booked him for my birthday Elder Barge don't show up to shit

1:15:02no he ain't been paying attention to my birthday party elder bars we had him to the point of where i was technically black i had swiss beats got this fucking like three four million dollar car some shit with two seats some european shit so i see your swiss because to me, Elder Bards like, oh my God, he's like a dog, right? So I said, Swiss, I need you to pick up Elder Bards maybe a block away and just pull up in front of the shit with the, Swiss was coming with the, he came with the four million, you know, he got shit that's out of this world. So Swiss was like, all right, so Elder Bards never got on that fucking plane.

1:15:45You know what I'm saying? I was hurt. Yo, what you want me to do? he get on the fucking plane but one day he's in New York he's like yo Joe I'm here I'm like here here he's like yo I'm here I was like alright pull up with me we did Madison Square Garden for Dave Chappelle and I brought out Aldebarge and the body ooh and I like it this shit went crazy that was a dream come true you too man when you can't do we wish you much love and success. I know everything going to be sold out and it's going to lead to the bigger bag because then we're going to start like making it even bigger. I'm saying we got guys we can make it even bigger after this run.

1:16:35No, no. I mean, you know, I'm just, you know. Because y 'all running, y 'all driving the car. Yeah. Once this is totally successful, you bring two or three other people. Then it go from the theater to the arena. All right. That's what I'm telling you. So you're going to bring a little two clip legends that we love that's going to come sing that shit. You know, this guy, Jodeci, man, he be this skinny. He sing his fucking ass off, man. What's my man? No, no, Jodeci. Yeah, but KC, right? That motherfucker, no shirt on. They carry him through the fucking audience. Like, I'm just telling you, it's too many legends.

1:17:17that y 'all could incorporate with this on the way out. I love it. Let me tell you something. Y 'all deserve all the blessings. Y 'all keep it classy. Y 'all keep it great. Make sure y 'all get y 'all tickets, man. Room 112 to a room 112 to a 12. It's too easy. We got the 112 total case. Yes. Randy and Monica, I'm waiting for that shit. It's a fly show. You saw it already? came back into rehearsal like, what? He was cracking. For real, right? Yeah, exactly. He was like, oh, something snapped in. Monica's a friend. Oh, yeah. It really hurts for a long... Can nobody believe me no more? Monica's a friend.

1:18:04Shout out Ant, my brother. They don't want to fucking believe Fat Joe know nobody. He think he only know everybody, right? She's a friend. They rehearsed. I don't have any, any friend. Yeah. No, I got some friends. I do. And so they were hurt. I'm going to that shit. You have to. I told them I'm one billion percent. I'm also going to go to the Boyz II Men, Tony Braxton. New Edition. Yeah, that's about to be crazy. The only show I miss. Oh, you got to go to that shit too? Yeah, we already put it anywhere. You can't miss it. That's history. That's history in the making. How could you miss that shit?

1:18:46You can't miss. Yeah. Boyz II Men. Oh, yeah. Oh, shit. Boyz II. Yeah. Tony Braxton. Tony. I like the Boyz II Men, that shit. Everything of theirs is incredible, but I like that shit. When he say, you know, he moved on. He moved on. Oh, yeah. What's that song? Without You In My Life. Yeah. I'm doing just fine. I'm doing just fine. Don't worry about me. I'm doing it. Now, I ain't in front. I ain't in front. Water runs dry for me. Water's got dry. All that first. Yeah, man. Yeah. Them boys got a catalog. Yeah. Now, if we could take one of their songs, like, Water Runs Dry for me. You know what I'm saying?

1:19:36Good Lord. Which one, water? We don't even talk anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:19:48I need the rose in my mouth. Fat Joe. Fat Joe would have been on bullshit. R &B sing Fat Joe. I done had the rose in my mouth. We don't even talk. But look, look, look. Remember Patti LaBelle? You did the R &B hand grab shit. You did the R &B hand grab shit. Listen, remember Patti LaBelle used to kick her shoes off? I'd have been acting a fool as an army singer. Like, disgusted. I remember one day, your man Luther, who's my favorite singer of all the time. He had that shit with a mic go there. He walked by and go, hey. Hey. I'd be up a deck. He this small. I'm like, no! Luther! I'm up a deck with a three-piece suit on looking like a bus driver.

1:20:43I ain't even had money I ain't had no money then you know when you're sky blue shirt you look like you driving a fucking bus

1:20:59man that R &B shit a different yeah that's true shout out to all you guys do us a service you guys make us happy some people going through depression some people going through whatever. I was about to tell you early, it was you. Even Fat Joe give up the turkey dinner for tickets to total 112, bro. So I got to see my people, man. When they come through, I got to be there. I'm a fan of the music. I don't want to miss it. Thank you. I don't want to miss it. Y 'all better go out there and purchase some tickets. Appreciate it. Thank you. Should I change up? Because they on their first shit. I might have to go bring out the Grizzly.

1:21:41You know what I'm saying? You see what these ladies is doing? Oh, no, I pull the shit out. That shit stand by itself. Hey, man, dress up. She got the lion breathing still in that shit. I'm not playing. I got premeditated murders. I promise you, I'm not threatening lightly. Don't fuck with me, because I come up on there and be like. Oh. What's up, guys? We love you. Man, we put this down in fact. We might have to come floating. We might have to give you the mic now. I'm going to have to come floating. Yeah, go ahead. You said give him the mic. We might have to give him the mic, man. Yeah, we got to say.

1:22:18We had to come out of here. We'd be like, uh-uh-uh. You know, Usher did that shit to me. He made me perform the greatest hits, man. I'm scared to go to an Usher show. I'm trying to hear you. Usher said, go, Joe, go. I said, God damn, I want song number 10. Holy shit. But listen, we love y 'all. This ain't that. That ain't this. It's Crack and Kiss. make some noise for 112 in total y 'all

1:22:47make sure you get your tickets make sure you stay updated to the room 112 talk coming to a city nigga what happened when you see these young kids wearing Vans and all that shit and you wore that shit back then they come starting on us like they got some new shit I'll be like yo my nigga I had the shit on All right. I don't know what the fuck y 'all talking about. My shit is, yo, bro, we wore that shit. They think it's they shit. Yeah. All right. Been there, done it. Yes, sir. Thank y 'all for having us. Thank you so much, man.

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Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by legendary R&B groups 112 and Total, who have teamed up for a joint tour to celebrate 30 years of 112. Joe and Jada ask about their heyday coming up in the '90s on Bad Boy Records, their experiences working alongside The Notorious B.I.G., what the fallout has been like for them after the allegations, lawsuit, and conviction of Sean "Diddy" Combs, and how they were influenced by other R&B and soul icons like New Edition, Mary J. Blige, Boyz II Men, Whitney Houston, and more. They also discuss Jada being with Biggie Smalls when he first heard Tupac's "Hit 'Em Up" diss record, how social media has affected modern relationships, and how hip hop and R&B treats its older legends compared to genres like rock music.

5:00 - Working with Biggie

9:30 - Putting together 30th anniversary joint tour

17:00 - Paying taxes humbled Joe BAD

19:00 - Playing back-to-back shows & tour life now vs. back then

33:00 - Social media & modern relationships

38:30 - Raising daughters after experiences in music industry

42:00 - How rap & R&B treat their older legends

53:30 - Fallout after Diddy controversies

1:03:00 - Influences & all-time R&B groups

1:06:30 - How Slim became the frontman of 112

1:11:00 - Joe wishes he was an R&B singer

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