2 Chainz talks NEW BOOK, Atlanta's hip hop legacy & WILD Jay-Z story

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29:46My mama told me all the time, like, like, like, she don't know where I got this thinking from, like, like, why I want a big house. She said, like, when she was young, like, people around her, like, having a trailer was like a thing. Your own trailer was a big thing. So for some— Mama, I'm not going to lie. I need you here, Mama. Come here for a sec. Please. Please. Oh, sit right there. Give her the— Mama, they want you out here. Closer to me, she'll be better. Right? Here's the only second mother we got. Alan Iverson's mother was the first one to change. Mark's the second one. Come on, baby. Come on here, baby.

30:22Mama got that shit on, too. Let me tell you something. Mama got the full length. Hey, my dog, Nadine. You see how come in with the full length meat, motherfucker, now? We going to need a different color, the same length for her. Yes, sir. No problem. You heard him now. You don't lie to women. You like a good stand-up girl. No, he don't. He's an honorable man. Mama, mama, he say you got the full length. Dan's the biggest in the game. Mama. Mama, you go back. How many years can you go back in your family? Like, can you think as far as your grandfather? Can you go to your great-grandfather? I can go to my grandmother and grandfather.

31:03So you go back to your grandfather? Yeah, my grandparents. Anybody thought like your son? No. No, he was different then. He's smart, he's caring, he's compassionate. And he'd been the only child. and I really didn't want any children, to be honest. And then I thought, well, I want to see what my offspring would be like. So I did conceive and had him. I didn't want any more. And he's kind of been self-sufficient, even at birth. You know, he was no problems. He was the first kid to go to the all-white private school in McGrane at the age of four on account of his birthday came in September. And back then we went to school in August, but your birthday came after registration.

31:46So it wouldn't kind of leave you behind if we had left you there. So we had to move you to the private school so you could stay ahead. And he's been like as long as he had the good old boy guitar and the games, Pac-Man games that he had. His tricycle that he didn't want to give up. Or a bicycle, he didn't want that. And he had a father. His father was very nurturing and trainable. He taught him a lot at an early age, like trying to have him drive it. how are you driving over the projects? Driving the car. And he's just been, he's smart. I love him. Okay, Mom, we did. You did good. You did a lot.

32:31Because I like you know, when I look at guys like 2 Chainz and Kiss and Lee and stuff like that, yeah, we might have had great families, great upbringings or whatever the case, but there's something in the mentality of entrepreneurs, you know, go-getters won't stop at nothing, you know, and we're talking about this family lineage and you was right there. So I said, yo, let me ask you if, because, you know, they think I'm bugging out when I'd be like, yo, I could think back into my family as far as I could go, wasn't nobody really thinking like me, you know? So it was like, I'm trying to figure this out, like the DNA of an artist or something, right?

33:21It's evolution, man. It's evolution and it's inevitable for hopefully your bloodline to grow into something, you know what I mean? And it takes your ancestors to build you up to that, but I think eventually you give birth is something that breaks whatever curse that came before that. You know what I'm saying? That becomes the first entrepreneur. Well, I'm not the first entrepreneur, but the first millionaire or whatever that is. You know, I think that's an everybody's family, man, everybody. It was only a small amount of people that never struggled. Like I just, I just, I just know we all were a part of the struggle.

34:01Like I just know we all were, you know what I mean? And, but we're doing a great job of, not letting it happen again. Moving forward, I know we all have kids that we just pour so much into. You know what I mean? For a fact, everybody on here, you know what I'm saying? Everybody knows we care about our kids, brother. Mama, what are you most proud of, your son? The family man that he is. Mm-hmm. The father. congratulations to your daughter too she just got accepted right too yeah my daughter's headed to college yep um she on a senior trip right now man and i'm just need you to come home because she went they went to mexico and i did not want her to go to mexico i did not want her to go to mexico but you know sometimes the media be because she having fun she ain't thinking about what's going on over, you know what I mean?

35:03But I'm just like, I'm just being that parent that's like, man, all right, you straight, everything, cool. But they having a good time. Then I got a middle, I have three kids. My middle child is 13. She about to be in high school and then like a lot of people know my son, Halo, because we got a podcast together and he's 10 years old. And that's it, man. It's like my little Brady bunch for real. I'm the same way with my daughter. you know what I'm saying product I ain't plug in she got a podcast called as if y 'all want to check her out on YouTube but I'm the same way and I've been and I've been like looking at the house I've been thinking like a head I've been like yo one day this girl gonna get married like she not gonna be here forever you know what I'm saying that's crazy when you think about that you know what I'm saying because you like yo she gonna leave one day like that shit crazy like house won't be the same without.

36:01I just want to be the same without the kids, but, you know, I think we all, you know, you've heard that there's no manual to teach you how to be a parent, but I think we all did the best we could with what we had. And, you know, I know my mom did an amazing job with me being a single mother coming from that household. You know what I'm saying? Being joined by the hill. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying? Just staying down. She just knows that I'm an ambitious person and I got that hustle. I got that grit. It's just really unexplainable. It's like, for real, it's like being raised by wolves.

36:42Just know how to, I keep saying, just got to know how to adapt, man. And I think that's one of my super problems. You doing a book tour for the book? Yeah, I'm doing a book tour. I've been in New York a couple of days, running around, dropping some gems about why now, you know what I'm saying? And what's the book about? You know what I mean? And even this right here, it's just like, it's just another way for me to be creative, man. It almost feels like I'm dropping a project. Right. But like, even this cover, it's pastel art done by an artist I found. His name is Dereese Walker. He's an artist.

37:23He's like an independent artist, not a part of a gallery, but I'm going to plug him because he a brother. And he got, so this is a drawing of me. This is not a real picture. This is a drawing. Yeah, I'm just, everything I do is fire, Joe. Let me tell you what else is fire about this book. Let me tell you what else is fire. Let me tell you what else is fire. If you're not a reader, I understand there's a lot going on. A lot of rappers can't read. Listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen. No, that's what I'm getting into. I did my audio book. In my words, it's fire. Let me tell you why it's fire.

37:53I'm finna kill you. The audio book, I got production. It's scoring. So when I'm reading certain parts of the book, you get to hear the scene in the background of the audio. I'm just over at the other station. I had to do Gayle King this morning. I'm on platform. I'm Tony, right? I had to do stuff like that. Look, look, look, look, look. Look, old white lady say, I just listened to the audio. She said, it's amazing. She said, it's amazing, Joe. She said, it had noise and stuff going on. That's just the mind. I have layers. I'm thinking layers. And so this book, The Voice in My Head is God is just me.

38:45My interpretation of you, of someone saying something told me. It's right here. Something told me. something told me to come to the Joe and say, when I come to New York, I got to figure out a way to come rock with Joe and Jada because these my guys. I'll be honest with you, none of them other Gail Kings and all them don't matter. It's once you come on this couch that matter. These other guys, playing yourself, why would you waste a some liver? These people ain't got shit movement like us. We got the most shit. I'm here. You hear like I didn't come here. You hear like you say it. You hear like I didn't tell you.

39:25You hear like you said and I ain't tell. I told you I was at. You know that's why I think this is how I irritate the competition. This is how I get on the air. Y 'all are New York niggas, man. We all that bullshit, man. We all mean. Let me tell you something. We got to do it. I do it all the time, you guys. Joe and Jada Show dot com. We got new merch. fresh off the presses. Go get it. Bang. Out of bang. Bang. Go at Jadishow.com. You can get these. A little call for a t-shirt. Where the hood needs at? It's my favorite right there. I need an extra large. ShowatJadishow.com. Go there and get it.

40:12I was young. How about that number one? Yeah. From the book. He turned down Hove. He wouldn't get his man, his DJ, extra flight. He turned the whole meeting down. That's not. That might have not been the right thing, man. Turning down Hove? That's not true, man. That's not true. Everything happens for a reason. No, this is. I hate to quit bringing the man name up because I have other contexts and other things to talk about. But let me just tell you about this. There's a chapter in here called J.D. and Jay-Z on three-way. So I got a call one day. Sort of. I read that. Yeah. So I got a call one day with J.D.

40:55on the phone. And I guess him and Ho were about to do a partnership, right? All right. My man that I'm with right now in the corner right now, his name is Tech. His name used to be DJ Techniques, right? So when I first started piping up in the streets, Tech came to me and said, hey man, I think you're a star. I said, nigga, me too. You know what I'm saying? And he said, I feel like I can do whoop-de-whoop-de-woo with my resources and blah, blah, blah. And I said, man, if you can run that, if you can help me get that right there, then I'm locked in with you. And we shook hands. Fast forward like eight, nine months later, I'm piped up.

41:44I'm moving around. Yeah. Okay. He's really not a DJ anymore because he's taking more of a management role, right? He's not a DJ. And so when I get this call during the phone conversation, I'm just trying to, and I don't know why I can't even articulate this, that I wanted to bring him with me. They's thinking it's a DJ because I'm trying to say his name, but JD really don't even know who this is. because it wasn't like he just tapped into Atlanta like that at the particular time. You know what I'm saying? It's like an Atlanta DJ, you know what I mean? And so they're like, bro, what do you think?

42:23In retrospect, I probably sound stupid saying, I'm going to bring my DJ to a man. Like, bro, you don't have no show, but I wasn't trying to do that. I was trying to bring my mans who had said, man, I see something in you. I had already seen something in me, but I just told you how arrogant I was. I used to be frustrated because I'm like, why this ain't happening for me? You know what I mean? and it's really about you getting your internal team. Once you get a team together, things can flourish. So once I got my team, I started getting on everybody's radar. So when that call happened and whatever happened throughout the call, when I didn't go, I talk about it in the book because people ask me, like, what the hell was the voice telling you to do then when big homie called?

43:03You know what I'm saying? When big homie called. And the thing I tell somebody, like, at that particular time, my moral compass just saying I ain't want to lead dog and say I'm going to tell you about the meeting I can't sit here and tell you I ain't want to fuck with dog or don't want to do business with dog I seen the track record I'm not I'm not ignorant I'm highly intellectual actually but during that particular time my compass is saying and so that's another reason why I tell DJs like Khaled or Drum or him you need to take the DJ shit off your name niggas think that's your first name so take that off your name I got a boy named Rich the Barber used to be a barber, he's rich as fuck right now and we still call him Rich the Barber but he be like yo I'm not the barber yeah yeah yeah yeah but anyway so that's the story it was not it was just a miscommunication a misreceived it because I was excited, I was definitely excited about the car and I was excited too but this is before the album, this is before all the stuff I can't say everything that I've done this right or wrong.

44:09This is just like part of it. This is just a part of my life, you know what I'm saying? And so, yeah, yeah, yeah. But so, you know, obstacles to go through, and to me, even when you fall, it's just a lesson. You got to look at the lesson. Everything don't go your way. You got to look at the lesson. These lawyers right now, they killing me, B. These prices is all the way up. These yesterday prices, and I'm just like, yo, Joe, it's temporary. temporary, keep your head up and keep it moving because certain things happen to you where you be like at that moment you could be frustrated but then you just got to look at it and be like yo, this is a lesson.

44:50Everything's a lesson. So it's like it is what it is. I wish you would have went to you never know, don't how did the Kanye the Kanye because to me that was some of your worst, not worst, your best work with that whole good family. That's what happened. He be unking sometimes. No, no, I'm bugged out. I'm fried. But what I mean is, I love how you was going crazy on that Kanye work when y 'all put that album out together. You was going nuts on that joint right there. How did that whole thing come about with you? Y 'all had like a superpower team. Push all of y 'all. Big Sean? But, you know, you ain't called me.

45:40I'm telling you, I'm so piped up, these folks calling me. You know what I'm saying? You called, you said, y 'all want you to be a member of. I'm calling you. I want you to, you know what I mean? I went through like a little, I wouldn't even call it a boot camp. Like, you know what I'm saying? At home, I want somebody to record something now. And I'm fired like that. I call it Benny Hunters. I call it like cooking in front of a nigga, the little shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, throwing shrimp at niggas in my house and shit. I do all that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I do the whole heartbeat shit.

46:07I cook. I love. You know what I mean? So you want to tell me, like, let's do a song in front of these people. That's one of my things. I'm prepared. I'm bootstrapped and ready. So after I did that a few times, and the stuff I'm doing, high level, it's not like, you know what I'm saying, no boot filet. It's real high level. You know what I mean? No cut on it. So after you do that a few times, man, you might get a few phone calls, Joe. That's all I can tell you, Joe. And your phone might start blanking, Joe. I sit here with this guy all the time. He top five, dead or alive. What you mean? Nasty man.

46:42These guys, they be like, yo, can I get your number? Kiss. I need you on a song. Don't nobody ask me to be on a song. I'm going to just sit here and be rich as fuck. Excuse my language, mama. That's what I'm going to do. Every time they come to him, yo, kiss. I want to do a song with you. I'll be like, yo, did you see the links? What do you want me to do? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Joe, you get out of here, Joe. Joe, I'm going to tell you something, man. I'm going to tell you this right here. man. Let me tell you something man. You make wonderful songs man. You're a great song maker bro. I'm going to come to my top to bottom like a song for a song.

47:17You do that shit. That's like that's what you like you fire at bro. You change nobody gives me government. Yeah yeah no. You're a good song maker. You ain't going to play You owe some props every show. Man. You don't get with me dead. I'm at the Nick game with him every rapping yo son. I need you on now. No but he like that though. Like I'm chopped liver. No, no, no, no. You're so out the park. Because he rags his mouth. It's out the park. You know what? That nigga bougie. That's a bougie. You don't want to miss him. I was in like, we're school. I ain't, man. No, no, no, no, man. Nigga, you done got bougie.

47:54You the bougie uncle. You got bougie. One more surprise guest. Got nothing to do with you, but I was coming up, and I seen him, and I said, your brother come through. My brother G-Dap. Come here for a second, G-Dap. The deputy. Call him zone. G-Dot. Let's get mom. All right, thank you, mama. Thank you, mama. Thank you, mama. Thank you, mama. Thank you, mama. You look beautiful, baby. Thank you, baby. Mama, you look amazing. My mama says, my mama be 76 this year. You know what? My mama might not be 76. 76. She'll be 76 this year. Let me give you another surprise. You go to Daniel Lover, that fur on me.

48:27You pick out whatever you want. Make it touch the ground. Mama, make sure the fur drag on the floor. It's on me. Oh, man. They capping New York, too. That's no capping. Yo. Who that right after this, mama? That's no capping. I don't play those games. I don't play those games. Yo, G-Dat. Hold on. I introduced him. When he came in, I introduced him. Yeah, I changed the death. Hey, I'm telling you. You know what I mean? It's real. What's pop shit right there? Nigga. Fuck whatever. Dill, bro. Dill shit hard. I told him a little while ago. Shit hard. There's no lean back if it's no G-Dep. Okay. When I was writing that verse, I was thinking G-Dep the whole time.

49:09He had to take that from his flow. Keep going like, I don't know how to explain it to you, but it kept coming like. Which flow? Yeah, he got range. Which flow? G-Dep. Man, hold on. He had, at the time, was so on fire that he was just, he had like a continued, like, I don't give a fuck about Fulton Mishap. We from the Bronx, New York. Kiss Clap, Spock. You see? That was that G-Depp. You say chopped liver. No, no, no. I'm just saying that was that G-Depp. That was that G-Depp, man? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, at least in my mind, I thought I was rapping like G-Depp. Let me remind you, we was off Bad Boy already, and I was on the Seas album, and he got a song with him, Seas, and Buster.

49:58I'm like, who the hell? They're like, that's G-Depp. Wow. It's crazy. That's crazy, man. The Rush, right? What's the name of that song? The, um, uh, Something with - No Dangerous. More Dangerous, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Crazy. Depp, you been home close to what, a year now? Almost two years. No doubt. Make some noise for that. Thank you, man. Thank you, man. That man, it's beautiful on this side, man. No doubt. I know that's right. Yeah, man. Uh, I seen you on a freestyle and, uh, YouTube. You was killing it up on that joint. You still got it, man. Thank you, brother. Appreciate it. He just told me he got a project with him and Black Rob that's coming out.

50:37Oh, that's true. I got to get on that. You should work. Black Rob with everybody. Everybody's going to be. Nobody want me on the show. Then I'd be. You don't want one of them missing tonight. Niggas ain't got to have. I'm going to lie to you. You don't front on Fat Joe. You tell the truth. It's OK. I'm trying to move in. Man, Fat Joe, man. It was going out the park. Fat Joe, he scared the ass. It was going out the park. Fat Joe bougie, man. It bougie, man. Out of this range. You courtside everywhere you go. You enrich the bar. Yo, that's sick, yo, man. Yo, let me tell you something. Yo, but G Gap, man, we proud of you being home for two years.

51:12Definitely. Oh, the world. So you got cell phones in there when you was locked up, or was it crazy when you came home? Because I knew when you first came home, I could tell what was moving out here or the way the shit was looking was like, weird to you. Like, you was in jail how many years? 13. You came out. It was modern technology. I could tell. By watching you on the gram, I was like, oh, man, this guy, he got to adjust. I said, he going to get to it. That's usually anybody who was off the street for... But it was... You know, we had the tablets in there, so we kind of, you know what I mean?

51:50We had a little assimilated to, like, the little icon movement and all of that. But it was definitely definitely a culture shock when I came home. And, uh... See, things was different, right? Yeah. Everything was just so instant. You know what I mean? I tell everybody, you know, before I left, you couldn't order from McDonald's and all that. Like, just, you know, somebody... You know, that shit crazy. Now you watch TV. Ring your bell and pass you that. So I was like, what? You watch TV and the thing just says if you want to order this right now, you can be a big... This guy's wearing the shirt on, City Lab.

52:27You don't want to order. I swear to God. It's like that on the TV. You can order the video game. 2K. Yeah, you can order sneakers. You can order. 2K? Yeah. They got everything. Yo, 2 Chainz. 2 Chainz. Let me tell you something. The God in my head is an ill title. The voice in my head is God, man. You been doing some umps. You been doing some real umps. I got to throw one. I don't even know. Man, I didn't see him tight. Y 'all got flagged. Hey, boy, see him tight. Man, this ain't the wrong title. Man, your ass burnt, man. Hey, man. Hey, your ass burnt out, bruh. Hey, Joe. Hey, I ain't going to lie.

53:13This, like, this is Benny Hunter show. This, like, seeing you through the screen different. Like, this, man, you burnt out for real, boy. Like, when I see it, I'm like, man. He's rapping. I'm like, yeah, I'm saying. He's rapping for real. I ain't know. Oh, you thought I was. Nah, right. This close to you? Nah, something wrong. I'm looking at you, bro. You tripping something. What you worrying about? My head is God. The voice in my head is God. If you can read, it's a great read. If you get audio five. My audio five. My audio gonna get an Emmy or something. A Grammy. Oh, they do Grammys for the audio?

53:50Oh, God, I'm gonna get it, bro. They do Grammys for the audio end. Look, who got the last one, dog? Who got the last one? Look, I see he Googling that shit. Dalai Lama won the last audio. Dalai Lama. That's you. Don't worry about it. Yeah, you got that. The Dalai Lama won it last. Really? Man, let me tell you something. The name of this book is... The Voice in My Head is God. Thank God I ain't get a flag thrown on me. Yo, listen, thank you. Thank mama for coming through. you know that's the biggest you know what I'm saying thank Nadine thank the deputy we had a whole list of others crazy I get the book you know I'm a big 2 Chainz fan regardless you know what I'm saying all your albums I get them you know what I mean I like the 2 Chainz album on a fucking airplane where I ain't got no distraction I'm going to LA I play that shit.

54:52And then, you know, Natina's your number one fan. She was talking big shit. Like, y 'all, two teams just dropped. You got to get this. I'm like, yo, Natina, I'm going to. Nah, you got to feel she like that. Yeah, she got Natina for sure. So she, and then what was it? What was the shit today we were singing? There comes the time. There comes the time. Where you need an opening. Yo, this ain't that. That ain't this. This cracking kiss makes some noise for 2 Chainz and our guest today. Thanks.

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