Angie Martinez IRL - Anthony Anderson: How to Claim What You Want in Career & Love

29:02And he said, I did this and I shared it and I multiplied it by 10. And he blessed him and he went on. He said, what did you do with your gifts? He said, I did this and I multiplied it by five. And he blessed him and he moved on. He said, what did you do with your gifts? He said, I hid it in the ground and I kept it to myself. He said, you are to be banished in the corner to grind your teeth for eternity. Because these gifts that I gave you weren't supposed to be kept for you. They were supposed to be shared. Had no idea about the parable of gifts. But this is something that I believed since I was a child.

29:33And I understood the connection that I had to God, to a higher power, to whatever it is that you may subscribe to. But I realized that I have a connection. and I understood that connection at a very early age. And it was scary at times to understand, to feel that and to understand and to experience that connection that I have. I no longer want anything in life because all that ever did was create a want for it. I claim things as my own and that's how I live. No, no, no, I have to understand that. What do you mean you don't? Have you ever wanted something, wanted to go someplace, wanted something and never got it, right?

30:18And you want to know why you want those things? Because in wanting for those things, all you do or all you did was create a want for it. You never claimed it as your own. You never said, I will have this. I will have that bag. I will have that guy. I will have that girl. I will take this trip. You never claimed it. You never saw yourself having it. You just said, I want this. So you're just creating a perpetual want for whatever that thing is, as opposed to claiming it for yourself. A little thing that I tell myself before every audition or whatnot, or meeting or whatever it is they may have, I claim it as my own if it's meant for me to have.

31:01That's all I can do. If it's mine, it's mine. And I'm going to get it. Trust and believe. Everything in this room is mine except for this microphone. I'm going to come in here and I'm going to take everything out of here except this microphone because it's mine. It's not greed. It's not anything. No, I've claimed it and I've been told that it's mine. But you can't touch this. Cool. I'm going to leave that. And that's what it is. You've been told by who? I've been told by the higher power, by whomever. Yeah. I've claimed it. Yeah. You know, I can claim a lot of things and I'm claiming that glass of water right there.

31:39It was like, ah, it ain't yours. Yeah, but I've claimed it. I was like, ah, but I understand it's not mine. You know what's for you. Right. You know, if that makes sense, right? Am I making sense to you? You know if you're claiming something that's not, if it's like a false claim, is that what you mean? Is that what you mean? Or you just believe? But sometimes I just put it out in the universe. You know what I'm saying? And I claim it. Okay. And if it's truly mine, it will come to me. I'm trying to think about what is mine that I haven't claimed yet. See how I just self-corrected? I was about to say, I'm trying to think about what I want.

32:12No. Yeah. And I try to change the way that I speak and stop telling myself I want that. Because I understand that by saying that I want this, all I'm doing is creating a want for it. I'll never get it. So I'm going to claim this glass of water as mine. As your own. Yeah. And if it doesn't happen, you assume it wasn't meant for me. Yeah. And that's how, excuse me, that's how I've been able to get through auditions and everything and all of that because it wasn't mine. It's meant for you. It's meant for that person right there. What was the last big thing you claimed that actually became your, really?

32:54Yeah. Even though it was offered to me, doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be mine. you know hey Anthony are you interested in auditioning or not audition are you interested in hosting star search yeah why would you say that well they just got a call and said you know you're interested so yeah I'm down so I go through my thing you know I claim this as mine if it's meant for me to have and at one point it wasn't mine then I was like okay well it wasn't mine then it all of a sudden it came back and I didn't trip off of it I'm like ah okay it wasn't yours at that time yeah yeah so you know i'll tell you i'll tell i'll tell the story it's a long story and i've told this before but i like telling the story um at one point i was making i was making i've made 53 movies in in a short period of time in my career which is that shit yeah which is phenomenal um

33:53and i oh i was always making these movies and i was going up to canada making these movies and I would always say I want to leave the country and make a movie. And I would always end up in Canada. And one day it dawned on me, this is a lesson in specificity and being specific in what we ask for. It dawned on me that I was doing exactly what I said. I said I wanted to make a movie in another country. I went up to Canada and made another movie, but that's not where I wanted to be. I was like, oh, Canada. Canada, all you needed to enter Canada was a birth certificate. It was like, okay, all right, you know what?

34:34I'm not claiming specific things for what it is that I see myself doing. I asked for this and it came to me in the most general form, which can still be of no use to me because it didn't come to me the way that I wanted it the way that I needed it to. So at that moment, I said, the next movie I make will be shot overseas and I will need a passport to enter the country. Three days later, I got a call. Hey, Anthony, Jerry Bruckheimer wants to meet with you. You're on a very short list for a movie that he's making that's going to shoot in Australia for six months. Wow. Okay. What's the name of the movie movie is called at that time it was called down down and under the movie eventually became kangaroo jack so before my meeting with jerry um brockheimer i said i claim this as my own if it's meant for me to have is this in prayer or this is just in your thoughts it's in my thoughts and i put it out loud it's it's across the board for me i go to have my i I go and have my audition, one of the best auditions that I've ever had in my life.

35:49I walk out of the audition is about 45 minutes. I went in with Jerry O 'Connell, who was my co-star, who was already cast as the lead. And I walked out of the audition drenched in sweat. Like I dove into a swimming pool. I don't know what was going on with us in this audition, but that is what happened. I came out drenched in sweat. But a week later, I get a call. Jerry Bruckheimer loved you, your cast in Down Under, Kangaroo Jack. I was like, okay, cool. I know I'm going to be in Australia for six months. This is how I want to live in Australia. I saw myself living a certain way. And I said, when I wake up every morning and when I go to sleep every night, the Sydney Opera House has to be outside my window.

36:41I get to Australia with the family. We're in a hotel. I'll open up the window. What's outside the window? Oh, my God. The Sydney Opera House. Come on, master manifester. I don't want to. There you go. I don't want to sit. I don't want to live in a hotel for six months. I want the comforts of home. so i saw my how i wanted to live while i was in australia i never told this to the realtor but i called the realtor up and she took me to some places the very first place she took me to was how i saw myself living took me to a bunch of places and i said i want the first place we get it it's in a place called uh pots point right and the sitter on a hill uh it's on the 12th floor.

37:26It's a corner unit. The apartment is about 3 ,000 square feet, panoramic views, ceiling to floor windows. And outside my window was the downtown Sydney skyline, the Sydney Opera House, North Sydney, Sydney Harbor Bridge, North Sydney Island, and Double Bay water all around it. And so I'm sitting there one day. it's about three o 'clock in the morning and i was like wow this is pretty fucking dope i'm looking around it's pitch black outside except for the everything that's lit up life comes on i'm flicking through the television now life is my very first movie i'm flicking through the television and life comes on i was like oh shit smoking a joint i'm a little high and i was like oh my god I haven't even come on the screen yet for my first appearance in this movie.

38:25And I was like, here I come. And I'm sitting there. And that's when it hit me. I had an epiphany. And I look at how I'm living. And I look at what I've manifested. And I looked at what I've asked for. And I looked at what I've claimed. And I'm sitting here looking at my life while I'm watching the movie Life, which was my very first movie, which was, in my opinion, my birth into the movie industry. And because of what I did in that movie and the success of my movie got me my next opportunities. And those opportunities got me Kangaroo Jack. And this is the life that I'm living now. And I look around and I see it, how I'm living in life.

39:15And I'm watching life, the birth into this industry. And that's when it hit me. I was like, okay, this is powerful. And I understand my connection. I understand how I manifest things into my life and how I understand how I ask for things and I claim things as my own. So when I talk to young actors and when I talk to people, I tell them about that. I tell them about claiming everything that they see for themselves as their own and it will happen. Stop wanting for things and claim those things and you will have them. That's what I do. And I can sit here as a living testament to that. I believe. I'm going to restructure some ways I'm thinking about a few things right after this interview.

40:05That's so good, Anthony. So has that ever failed you? Has there ever been a moment you claim something or really i know the word want but like really wanted something and it and i don't i don't i don't i don't see it as failure because it wasn't meant for me yeah yeah got it it wasn't meant for me yeah you know it wasn't going to open up the next opportunity or wasn't going to give me the experience that i needed in my life that i didn't probably didn't even know that i needed you know and i i've never been upset at another actor or another person getting the gig that I was up for because it wasn't mine.

40:40And I always tell people, I was like, you can't compare yourself to anyone else and you can't judge them or judge yourself. I was like, that's their journey. That's their path. And I was like, that was destined for them. That was predetermined for them. And you can't worry about that no matter how you feel it was going to change your life, no matter how big it may have ended up for them, it may not have been that way for you. It may not have. But my reality is, I didn't get it because it wasn't mine. It wasn't for you. Yeah. And I know as long as I prepare myself the way that I'm supposed to prepare myself before I enter any audition, any meeting or whatever, because I am the only constant in the equation.

41:30Every equation in life that I'm a part of, the only constant is me. Everything else around me is going to change, but I'm the only constant. So when I go to work or when I go to prepare myself for work, I prepare to the best of my ability. And I go in there and as long as I I give it my all and I no idea what I was supposed to do. I can't. Hands up. I can't do anything else about it. Yeah. I can't do anything else about it. It's an easier way to live too. It is. It really is. That's our sleep at night. Yeah. Good for you. I can't be able to be like, oh shit, why the fuck didn't I? No, I'm going to do this.

42:04I got it. Boom. I'm here. All right. I gave it. Fucking left an audition. I got sweaty. I got out of a pool. I was like, I left it all. I left it all on the floor in there. Yeah. Now it's in God's hands. Now what's for me is for me. And it's all subjective anyway to whoever is there. I can just be the best that I can be. Yeah, for sure. That's it. What is it that in your life right now, in this phase of your life, what is it that you're manifesting for yourself now? Or what is it that you're, I don't know, working towards or claiming? What are you claiming that you haven't received yet? Constant.

42:40Not that I haven't received, but I just want constant peace in life, you know, in however that comes from, wherever that comes from. Golf course, maybe? Golf course, relationships, work, all of that. I just want peace. And, you know, I'm 55 now, you know. I didn't know I've been doing this 30 years. You said three decades. And I was like, she lying. and I was like, oh, wait a minute. Nope. I haven't. We have a record of it. Yeah, and I haven't. You know, it's crazy. I think about it. My last real job, before I got my first real, booked my first gig, which was In the House with LL Cool J and Debbie Allen back on NBC.

43:26Wow, yeah. While I did that, I was working for Ticketmaster. And my last job, I worked in the phone, the call center for Ticketmaster. Thank you for calling Ticketmaster where MasterCard is the smart way to pay. This call may be monitored for quality assurance. This is Anthony speaking. How may I help you? Had to do that eight hours a day, five days a week, making$5.50 an hour with a daughter. With a daughter? With a daughter. Wow. And a fiance at the time. Wow. Yeah. So, yeah, that was my last gig. And I think about the things that have happened in those 30 years. Yeah. Yeah. That's so crazy.

44:09I didn't realize how much we have a, you know, my 30 years ago, I was, hi, my name is Angie. I'm calling you to ask you what songs you listen to on the radio. I'm from music research program. I did my version of that in the space that I'm in. It's very similar. Yeah. No, that's crazy. That's amazing. I also, in college, I also had to call you at night and try to sell you encyclopedias and shit. Encyclopedias is crazy. I was like, ah, But it was a gig. But, you know, but I just, you know, I pray for, you know, what I want. I want more wisdom, patience, you know what I'm saying, peace, understanding, happiness, joy.

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50:13You mean in life? In life. Oh, yeah. Yeah, in life. Did you always kind of have a crush, though, even back in the day? No, you know, honestly, I did not. You did watch 106 in Park. I watched 106 in Park. It's like, oh, she a cutie, but never was like, I got to get with that. You know, we laughed about that. It's like, no, it was never that for me. And we've known each other since. I met Roxy with Kevin Lyles before she started 106 in part. Oh, wow. I remember I was riding with Kev and he said, I got to go meet somebody. And I was like, okay, cool. And this was crazy. I was in New York. I was in the back of his Maybach and we pulled up and it was Roxy that he was talking to.

50:56And we sat up there and I was like, yeah, I met you. And she said, yeah, I don't remember you. And so we laugh about it. But then we become friends over, you know, almost 20 years, you know, play spades games and all that. We're in the same friend group and all that. And it just so happened that we just happened to be in the same place at the same time in our lives. And this happened. And I welcome it. And the difference now is I'm learning or I've learned to prioritize a better balance in life, in my personal life, and not be just strictly about work and about what the next project is going to be.

51:37Because I'm no longer in that space. I do think there's something to be said about timing and you being at a place in your life where you can be in a different type of relationship. It's like, I don't know. I don't think people talk about that enough, about the timing of connecting with somebody. Whereas Roxy gets to get an evolved version of you. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I'm sure you're not perfect. I'm not. Hell, I get to get an evolved version of myself. It's crazy. And things happen, again, about asking for things and manifesting things in your life. at one point, not too long ago, I sat back and thought about the relationship that I would like to have at this point in my life.

52:22And I realized that I was never going to have that if I was to continue doing what I was doing. Not that it was crazy and I was like, but hold on, if this is what you want, these are the changes that you have to make. And I made those changes. And I believe you receive what you're asking for and i asked for this relationship with whomever it was going to be with and once i cleared a path and a way for that to happen and to come in my life it happened and this is this is where i am right now i love that yeah and it's a beautiful thing yeah is it weird for you to be in a pub for you guys to be so public because there's so much interest in it.

53:08Yeah. Is that weird? It's kind of a balance. I've always thought it was weird that, you know, people wanted to know about other people's relationships. It's none of my business. So, yeah, it's weird to be walking down the street. Or just to, I was, we all went to and played in the carpet. Yeah, the carpet. But even before that, we went to an escape room and went and had lunch. But it was my son, myself, and Roxy. But, you know, in all the photos, they cropped my son out. Aw. and you know made it made a big news so it was but look i we're both public figures and all that and it's an interest of the public and all that um but everybody wants to be in somebody's business everybody wants a story to tell everybody wants they love a love story too love stories specifically yeah and and hopefully this this this is a wonderful love story yes um But I made a way for it.

54:01Good for you. I made a way for it to happen in my life and for me to have the relationship that I feel I deserve and a relationship that I feel that I need and want at this point in my life as a 55-year -old man. It must be nice to have someone because she hasn't stopped working her whole career. Not at all. Her hustle is still, I see her showing up, set, doing, interviewing this, working on this project. Is that a nice, that must be a nice thing to have somebody who kind of understands that. It is. It is. It's great to have somebody who understands the business, who's in the business that, you know, supports you and I support her.

54:47Did she cheerlead the first episode of Star Search? Is she like a fan of the show? that she's the type of girlfriend that comes home and goes, you could have did this better, or that was really funny, babe, or like, you know what I'm saying? Do you get that? She is a fan of the show. She was there for our first episode last week. I love that. She supports it, talks about it on her news segment, on ABC News and Good Morning America. This is working out perfectly. We have a great relationship. Working and personally. Look at that. Star Search must be fun. I mean, because you care so much about even the mentor.

55:24You talked about mentoring people. Yes. It just must be exciting to be around such young, fresh talent. It is exciting to be there. You know, I grew up wanting to be on Star Search. They used to have an acting competition on the original. That's right. I remember that. Star Search. And I remember sitting at home. I was like, Mama, we got to get me to Hollywood so I can audition for this because I can do this much better than what they're doing. I can do this. And we never made it there. But here I am now. Do you have a compassion for them? Like, do you, are they, I don't know. Do you give them all their advice?

55:57You know, I try to give them notes. Their notes. As I can be. I'm not a judge, but I don't want it to seem biased or anything like that. So, like, the judges never see any of the performances until the show, until we do the show live. Because we do the show live Tuesday and Wednesday nights on Netflix. so in rehearsals or or run-throughs and camera blocking i get to be there with the talent and so they perform and then they come to center stage and i go through my whatever it is that telling people how to vote and all that but i also get a chance to have a conversation with them about how did they feel about their performance you know how they feel about the judge's reaction to them uh and in that i ask questions or i'll give uh i'll give them i try to give them notes without them being notes and hopefully they pick up on it and hopefully their handlers if they're the young contestants their mothers or fathers or whoever's there with them it's like yo that was a good thing that anthony said like there was a young singer on there and i didn't see him connecting with the audience you know in rehearsal even though there was no audience he was he was up there singing doing a great job but there was no connection so when i brought him center stage I was like, hey, I love the way that you connected with the people in the audience as if you were singing to them directly.

57:24I said, that's going to take you a long way while you're on Star Search. What do you think about your performance? So I dropped little nuggets like that in rehearsals without being overbearing and all of that, because I know what that means. And that's what our judges are there for. That's what Jelly Roll and Chrissy Teigen and Sarah Michelle Gellar is there for, to give constructive criticism and insight as well as judging or giving their one to five star. But it's fun to be the host of the show, you know, steering that ship live. It's crazy. Such an iconic, iconic institution. It is. And to sit there and host this.

58:04You're the perfect host. Look, I've hosted live shows before. I've hosted the Emmys. I've hosted 10 NAACP Image Awards. You know, I've hosted the Soul Train and BET Awards. Those shows are live as well. So I have that experience. But to do this with Netflix with no commercial breaks and the world is watching, not just America, the world. And for the audience to be able to vote in real time with these contestants on the show, it's pretty amazing. because whoever's viewing the show has a say in it. It's not just the three in-studio judges. They have a say in it from watching the show, and I love it.

58:44You're like the perfect person in the world. I don't know who it was going to when it was out of your wheelhouse, but I can't imagine. I can't imagine anybody else hosting that. It wasn't meant for them. All right, so I have two segments. One is our IRL voice note. Okay. Presented by Blue Smallville. Mm-hmm. It is our, it's usually a fan or, I don't know, somebody, either from the show or from yours who has a question or comment. Hi, Anthony. I'm a huge fan. I was a big fan of Black-ish. Me and my family watched it every week when it was on air. I'm an aspiring stand-up comedian and trying to look for acting roles.

59:19How do you stay confident saying no to opportunities that don't align with you when you honestly really need a job to pay the bills? What's his name? He got no name, got no nothing. Nah, to the no-name actor slash comedian who called in. First, I would say get a name and make sure the world knows your name. But, you know, here's an interesting thing. When I didn't feel there were opportunities for me, I'm not going to answer your question in order, but I'm going to answer it. When I didn't feel there were opportunities for me, I went out and created my own opportunities. You know, let's not forget about that.

59:56You go out and create opportunities when you don't see an opportunity for yourself. And I have been fortunate enough to have had success in that with Black-ish, with my very first television show that I created all about the Andersons and whatnot. Never be afraid to challenge things and to take on a challenge for yourself. There were many a times when I was up for something in a movie or not even considered for something in a movie because the character, was it written black? wasn't written for me. And this is where I go with challenging. I was like, well, why can't it be me? You know, the ethnicity of this character means nothing to the story.

1:00:45It can be anybody. So why can't I come in and read for this? And I was able to change the minds of casting directors and directors and whatnot, and get an opportunity to read for different characters than what they saw me as. And sometimes even be cast as that. But also just be true to yourself and be your authentic self. And that's what I would say. And that comes in the form of telling your story since you say you're a comic, a stand up, you know, be your authentic self and tell your story and have your tell it from your point of view and have a perspective on things. And that's what's going to set you apart.

1:01:33It's not about being a cookie cutter. It's like, oh, so-and-so did it this way. So-and-so did it this way. No, they did it their way. So do it your way as well. Hey guys, support for this podcast is brought to you by Walden University. Have you ever thought to yourself, what if I could go after what I actually want and I could really make a difference? Well, you are not alone. And this is exactly why I want to tell you about Walden University. For over 50 years, Walden has helped working adults like you get the W with the knowledge, the skills and everything you need to build the future that you want.

1:02:06And you can make a difference where it matters most. If you've been waiting for the right moment, this is it. Head to waldenu.edu and take that first step. Walden University, set a course for change. Certified to operate by Shiv. Yeah. Come on, Anthony. Okay. And finally, our IRL bowl of questions. Brought to you by Walden University. I don't have my glasses on. Let's see. I hope it's good. It's a long one. Uh-oh. If your heart had a rule book, what are two qualities that would be written in bold when it comes to a partner and why that's intense it is my heart had a rule book first rule would be to be honest to be honest about what it is but to be honest about who you are to be honest about what it is that you're looking for, uh, in a partner and to be honest in what it is that you want in a relationship.

1:03:12Uh, that's one thing. Uh, I'm going to, I'm going to give you a whole lot, uh, be consistent in who you are, uh, be the same person that uh that person met and that fell in love with never forget who that is and what attracted that person to you you can't switch up midstream it's like oh I got you now no so you have to be consistent uh in in all of that be patient be understanding uh I think that that's enough that's good right are you all those things uh i'm trying to become better at all of those things and and to be honest it's an adjustment you know i was in i was in a relationship and in a marriage for 33 years so you know some of these things are are they're hard to break uh they're not unbreakable uh just said yeah just old habits that you have to retrain uh retrain yourself or train yourself differently.

1:04:22And some old habits you really don't want anyway, regardless of the relationship. Because we talk about evolving, it's like, I want to change. I'm no longer that person. But these habits that I have seem to bring me back to being that person. And I don't want that cycle. So yeah, you have to be cognizant and conscious of that in yourself. uh so i'm becoming a better me i'm no i'm i'm no longer uh uh the anthony anderson that i was you know 10 years ago five years ago shit two years ago um so yeah i i am i'm i'm getting better at becoming those things it's fun to watch you oh thank you it's fun to be on this journey yeah Yeah.

1:05:13It's exciting. It's exciting. I'm not going to lie. It's exciting for me. Yeah. Yeah. What is Anthony Anderson doing in five years? Ooh. What am I doing in five years? I will tell you this. You and I are going to be playing better golf together in five years. I'll take it. I love that. I love that you willed that not only for yourself, but you put me in it. What the people need to know is that I was there when you, I don't know if it was the first time you play golf, But I was there in the very beginning for you. It was tragic. And a year to the day later, I was there when you were playing much better golf at the same event.

1:05:52Yeah. And we've been traveling the world, playing golf with each other and around each other. Isn't it such a wonderful, isn't it just like a wonderful thing to do? It is. It is. I love it so much. So we will definitely be doing that together in five years. What will I be doing in five years? Hopefully still doing Star Search Live on Netflix and probably wrapping up or in the midst of another successful television show that people will be talking about 20 years down the line. like they will be talking about Black-ish, like they've been talking about the Cosby show, like they've been talking about All in the Family, like they've been talking about Martin, like they've been talking about all the great shows ahead of them.

1:06:39So hopefully that's what I will be doing in five years and doing another five-year reunion on IRL. Yay! We'll do an IRL reunion! I'm claiming it for us. I love that. Yeah, I'm claiming it for us. Well, all that's going to happen because you are the master. manifester. Yes, ma 'am. The master manifester. Anthony Anderson, the master manifester. Sounds like an old episode of Seinfeld, the master masturbator. Excuse me? That was the episode. That would open a whole other line of questioning, which unfortunately we don't have time for today. But thank you so much. And my final outro question for you, Anthony, it's in the bowl too.

1:07:22It's one of my favorite ones in the bowl. If God were to send you a text today, what would it say?

1:07:31keep doing what I put you on this earth to do. And it's not just entertaining. I'll say this about, I believe my energy was put on this earth to entertain. I said that earlier, but that is why I'm here to share this gift. And it's crazy that I'm in the medium to do just that. Television, stage, film, movies, live shows. I've always said that I wanted to have an effect and an effect on people's lives with my work and because of my work that takes me around the world to have conversations like this. So I believe his text to me would be continue to do what I put you on this earth to do. Anthony Anderson, ladies and gentlemen.

1:08:21Well done, sir. Thank you. This is Anthony Anderson in real life. Hey, guys, thanks for watching. Make sure you subscribe, like, comment, and check out all of the other episodes we have on Angie Martinez's IRL podcast.

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