In short
Busta Rhymes’ long career and what he’s learned about peace, love, co-parenting, creative leadership, faith, and legacy—plus upcoming work with J Dilla and reflections on major losses.
Guest backgrounds
Busta Rhymes, veteran hip-hop artist (Scenario era; signed in 1989; debut in 1991; 12 Grammy nominations, no wins). Angie Martinez, longtime radio/TV host and interviewer in hip-hop media, known for candid conversations.
Key claims
He prioritizes “peace of mind” and love, learned from his parents’ constant affection and strict respect rules at home. He says he “trailblazed” the modern MC feature style—running around on others’ records—despite label resistance. He frames success as evolving into generational wealth and claims his Diligence 2 project corrects earlier free-release monetization issues with J Dilla’s estate approvals. He credits daily conversations with the “Most High” as a grounding ritual.
Notable examples
Passing out from exhaustion/dehydration while working; being kicked out of a group contract situation that cost show money; Mary J. Blige and Missy asking him to do talk/intro instead of rhyming; his “This Woman” track with D’Angelo and Dilla; Mr. C’s phone call during legal troubles after the “Touch It” remix video.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOBusta Rhymes' Journey and Mindset
0:48 to 1:13
Busta Rhymes shares insights about his journey and current mindset.
“Reese Witherspoon here, checking into my favorite hotel in Paris.”
Busta Rhymes' Journey and Mindset
2:23 to 2:54
Busta Rhymes shares insights about his journey and current mindset.
“Learn to prioritize your happiness over everything else.”
Busta Rhymes' Journey and Mindset
2:57 to 3:15
Busta Rhymes shares insights about his journey and current mindset.
“Yo, we haven't done this in a little bit.”
The Impact of Love and Family
3:18 to 4:28
Discussion on the importance of love and family upbringing in Busta's life.
“I feel like everything that you was learning as you were going along with life and you kind of just get to the crossroad and figure out what you got to figure out when you get there.”
Expressing Love and Respect
4:30 to 7:20
Exploring how Busta shows love and respect to others and the significance of those values.
“And I love what this whole blessed opportunity and gift has been able to allow me to do.”
Balancing Hustle and Life
7:22 to 14:00
Discussion on the hustle mentality, the need for balance, and personal experiences with exhaustion.
“the way it was given to me and given to my home.”
The Hustle Mentality and Its Consequences
14:00 to 20:49
Explore the challenges and pressures of the hustle mentality in the music industry.
“You have to be a co-parent king, and I do want to talk about that today.”
Chasing Dreams and Family Expectations
22:57 to 28:00
Delve into the impact of family expectations on personal aspirations in the music industry.
“And I want to be the present in the present.”
Reflecting on Engagement and Family
28:00 to 28:38
Busta Rhymes shares about his engagement and family pressures.
“but I got yeah I definitely loved her at the time and I loved my baby so did you get engaged I did it.”
The Rise of Busta Rhymes
28:38 to 30:25
Busta discusses the changes in his life and career during his rise to fame.
“I got to put myself in people's mind while I'm already in my mind.”
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Grammy Nominations and Recognition
30:25 to 31:35
Busta reflects on his Grammy nominations and lack of wins throughout his career.
“And then the same thing kind of happened with Missy on her first album.”
The Importance of Acknowledgment
31:35 to 33:37
Busta emphasizes the significance of acknowledgment over awards in his career.
“That was more important to me than any award.”
The Dynamics of Friendship in Music
33:37 to 38:40
Busta shares insights about his long-term friendships and collaborations in the industry.
“Of course it is, but I feel like this should be bigger conversations.”
Pride in a Flourishing Career
40:01 to 42:00
Busta expresses pride in his career and discusses his upcoming project with Jay Dilla.
“What are you most proud of when we look at that whole, when we look at this whole journey of this 30 plus years of a unbelievable career?”
Celebrating Dilla's Legacy and Upcoming Album
42:00 to 50:02
Learn about Busta Rhymes' reflections on Dilla's impact and his upcoming album.
“And when the album got done, Ma Deuce gave it her blessing.”
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51:21 to 51:49
Discover the benefits of Boost Mobile's affordable plans.
“This is Colin Cowherd from The Herd with Colin Cowherd.”
Reflections on Loss in the Hip-Hop Community
51:49 to 56:00
Busta Rhymes shares thoughts on losing influential figures in music and their lasting impact.
“Become a donor today at foldsofhonor.org to help meet their sacrifice with hope.”
Finding Strength in Vulnerability
56:00 to 59:37
Exploring how moments of kindness can uplift and inspire personal reflection.
“i was questioning all types of shit you know i'm saying you were rocked you were like yeah you I was super rocked.”
The Ritual of Morning Conversations
59:37 to 1:03:26
Discussing the importance of daily gratitude and spiritual conversations to manifest intentions.
“That's what I'm saying is the current space in life is happy, man, because we figured shit out.”
Lessons from Fatherhood and Relationships
1:03:26 to 1:05:23
Reflecting on the joys and challenges of fatherhood and the importance of mending relationships.
“I think that according to my kids and our beautiful relationship, even with some of the shortcomings, I did a great job as a dad.”
The Journey of Personal Growth
1:05:23 to 1:10:05
Examining the significance of happiness and self-prioritization in achieving a fulfilling life.
“And lived with that guilt for a long time.”
Prioritizing Happiness
1:10:05 to 1:11:02
Discover the importance of prioritizing your own happiness in life.
“Learn to prioritize your happiness over everything else.”
Transcript
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2:52Thanks for watching, guys. Today's episode is brought to you by Boost Mobile. Oh, this is a long time coming. Yeah. Busta Rhymes in IRL.
3:06What's up, boss? What's up, boss? Hi, boss. What up, sis? Yo, we haven't done this in a little bit. Long time. And you have never done IRL. That's a fact. I mean, you know, we've had so many interviews, dope interviews over the years. But where are you now, my brother? What's happening in your world? What's your mindset? I'm in an amazing place. I feel like everything that you was learning as you were going along with life and you kind of just get to the crossroad and figure out what you got to figure out when you get there. Yeah. I think we've all gotten to a place, and I'm speaking for our alumni, right?
3:49where it's kind of obvious in how we're all moving and shaking and the way the energy amongst us resonates when we get around each other it feels like we figured out so much shit we did figure out so much shit you know i'm saying first of all as i was getting ready for today and just thinking about the history of first of all the fact that you have been working since Leaders Dropped, what? 35 years ago this year. You signed a deal in 1989. That's a fact. You drop in 91. Yeah. And you've been rocking ever since. 35 years. Like rocking ever since, though. Yeah. It's been a blessing. Like, I'm all fucked up.
4:33Are you exhausted? No. Really? I love it too much, yo. Yeah. I love this shit so much. I know you do. And I love what this whole blessed opportunity and gift has been able to allow me to do. And not just for me, but for the lives that I've been responsible for. My family, my kids, my woman. He could provide. Yeah. Is that a motivation for you? Like providing? It's primarily the biggest motivation outside of me just loving the shit. I love being in a studio. I love him. I love it. A lot. You know what I love about you too? You don't just love it for you. Like you're one of the few people that you always show love to other people.
5:27Like not just our alumni, but you like genuinely like you're the guy who'll be like, I love you, sis. Yeah. Like you say it. Yeah. You express it to people. Yeah. You let people know you love them. Every time I see you, I know I'm not going to walk away from you without hearing, I love you, sis. That's a fact. That has everything to do with home, though. Yeah, I was going to say, where did you learn that? That's my mother and my father. Like, you know, in the house. There was so much love in the house. It was like uncommon. If you didn't say it, it was almost like some weird shit. Really? Yeah.
6:05Like all day, every day? Yeah. Like we see each other, you know, you get up to go to school. Mom's busting her ass, making breakfast and cooking breakfast. It ain't no microwave food. It ain't no. None of that, like cooking breakfast and preparing lunch before she send you to school and come home to home cook meals. It wasn't no microwave shit. No day. You know what I'm saying? Like, we constantly had an abundance of affection that was expressed and showed for how we appreciated the way we was taken care of. I love that. And it's a proud, it's a super proud component for me to share that shit because number one, showing love is a deep respect to me.
7:04I'm selective with that love because I love in a big way, which means I respect you in a big way. And it's important that my kids understand that. it's important that that's the characteristic that I want to make sure continues to move forward the way it was given to me and given to my home. And I'm just grateful that those are the kind of parents that I had. Yeah, I was going to say, your dad was like that too, because you don't hear that a lot about dads mom did that more than dad did but dad definitely wasn't like the type that would not express it as well he just was more he stood solid on that i'm a man's i'm a man a old-fashioned stern man so for us he's he's like a man's man like you know that serious all the time.
8:05And, you know, there was a difference between, he wasn't a person that really raised his voice, but there was that serious stern tone where you knew, don't fuck with him. You know what I'm saying? You respected him. The respect for him was a no games respect and don't play with, even if I say I love you, don't play with me. So I got a lot of that from my father and my mom's, you know, the whole hug shit and the - Mushy? Yeah, that's mom's for sure. You got a mushy side too, Buzz. Absolutely. I love that about you though. Thank you, baby. I think people who don't know you might not expect that.
8:46The people that ain't supposed to receive that side of me would be surprised. Right, right. You're not out here just throwing around? Nah, that ain't for them. You know what I'm saying? That shit got to be earned. That love got to be established before you experience. the more the more loving and friendly and super jokey and that regular human people side well as your friend I will say I will testify that I always feel loved when I see you I always feel like that my kids always feel the love from you when they see you and you do it in a way where you like I don't know how many times how many clips I've seen of you telling a story about like you telling a story of me interviewing Janet Jackson and her saying she wanted to work with you and then it happening or me doing the viral video of look at me now look at me now and like you you will share that out loud which I think people don't do that enough like if you feel something about somebody or you appreciate something about somebody like say it yeah you might not know they might need to hear it that day yeah you know what i mean i'm big on the on the facts though i'm big on the truth it's like you give so much love too and i think that's the reason why you're held in such a high regard in the city and it's been that way it's like down to the way you you do what you what is considered to be your work and you you have guests come and see you you do these interviews and they don't feel like interviews ever this should be feeling like beautiful conversation pieces and moments and a lot of that has to do with your warmth and your love and you being a giver of love and you loving what you do and making sure we feel that shit and you're a nurturer and you care and that shit is we we understand that on a general general consensus level like this is who ang is you know what i'm saying and a lot of the times it's so far and few between to see that and and be able to experience that that you you have to you have to get that love one way or another in the way that you give it thank you so i love you for real and this ain't even got shit to do with no business shit like we was on the phone having a conversation for a long time and was brutally honest.
11:25And I appreciate that we can have those conversations, even if I hope it could go other ways, right? You be trying to persuade me or shit. I be trying because, you know, it's like when I understand that there is two sides to things and I got love and respect and understanding for those two sides. I just want to be the one that can be able to gel it all the time. You know what I'm saying? And it's interesting because it's like, that's how I was raised too. When you got friends that might be in differences, you don't pick a side. You fucking try to neutralize it. Or if, you know, there's a difference in how the things are being viewed, you just try to offer a perspective that could be a happy medium and again yeah i love to do the the peacemaker thing like i'm really not into i try i try to prioritize the love i'll prioritize that shit as you got other sides though bus i seen you angry i seen you impatient i seen you tired i was telling britney this early i remember there was an interview we've done so many interviews over the years but i remember one time you came in you were like in peak uh i don't know if it was like put your hands era i think it might have been put your hands era and that you were like i mean your foot just didn't come off the gas and and you came in one day and you were tired like and i and it was emotionally like i don't know we just had a real conversation and i i say this i'm not sharing something secret like we talked about it a little bit on the radio that day yeah um and it was it the same day that the thing was going on down at the other station?
13:18What thing was going on? That other thing, when we was going outside and listening to the radio and hearing the shenanigans that was going on with the mother of my three sons. Oh my God, I forgot about that. I thought you was talking about that. It might have been that time too. That was a draining time for me too. We good now. You figured all that out? You figured out co-parenting and all that? I mean, the kids is in their 20s and 30s now. So, you know, it's like those things that was contributing to the draining part of that experience at the time. All of that shit has expiration dates. Oh, wow.
14:00You know what I'm saying? Fortunately. You have to be a co-parent king, and I do want to talk about that today. But I thought in that moment, you know, we come from a generation of hustle, like the hustle mentality, that hustle spirit. Things are a little different now. People like to have balance and I've learned how important that part of life is. And maybe we did get some of those things wrong. I mean, hustling got us where we are and we're still here and we're blessed and all that. But there is something to that we were working ourselves to like exhaustion. Yeah. I mean, I passed out in the street one time.
14:38I had done a video of this. I hosted this. I went to the club, hosted the after party, left the after party, came outside, was on the corner store, talking to people and passed out in the street. Oh, that's crazy. Exhaustion, dehydration. Wow. They can take me to the hospital on 14th Street that is now no longer, what was that hospital on 14th? I don't remember. That's crazy. But I'm just saying, that could have happened to you. Yeah, fortunately, I never experienced that, but I never heard that about you. I never knew you went through that. Like, that shit sounds crazy to me right now. It's really not that crazy.
15:06I mean, we weren't sleeping. We were working around the clock. Studios, just whatever. of clubs in the streets. I mean, I don't think the work ever... I don't know. I just think we love this so much. And we were trying to chase... I don't know. What were you trying to chase? Because you were working hard too. Yeah. I mean, for me, it was several things.
15:34I never wanted to misrepresent the way
15:42my like the respect that I have for my family's name and face and respect amongst family and peers and friends of the family. I'm talking about like my parents, you know, like, you know, the pressure that we, we had from our parents to meet a certain standard is way different. Even though we still, everybody want the best for their kids, but you know our parents they was on some fuck whatever you doing if we don't believe in it you know what i'm saying like if we don't think that it's gonna work it's not gonna work we're not even supporting or tolerating wasting time watching you do some shit that we don't think is gonna work but that was hard because it's like well it ain't your vision for it to work for you it's my vision for it to work for me and your support would be appreciated but making sure that we understood how serious that respecting of how hard they worked and make sure that they maintained the respect of the family was more important to me because letting them down wasn't an option.
17:05So even though they wasn't supportive of the vision that I had with this rap shit or with this music shit, I knew that there was no way that I was going to even allow there to be a plan B or failure being an option. Oh, so you're trying to prove to your parents that this is the right way to... I'm not only just proving to them with the I told you so once it works. I'm proving to me that I was able to manifest something that wouldn't only be great for the respect of the family, but will allow me to add on to the respect of the family in a productive way because I'm able to continue to do the providing and the upkeeping and the maintenance of the integrity and the respect, which was big to my father.
17:54it's big to my moms you know i'm saying like in the house you can't even respond to my parents with like if they call you by name it ain't no yeah or huh or what like that shit what do you say yes man yes mom no mom yes dad no dad like you had to attach the mom and the dad acknowledgement to every response they want a good morning in the morning good morning mommy love you mommy me you need some help my dad you good dad you want me to whatever it was that mom dad was acknowledgement is a respect thing and it was serious so if you you fucked around and slipped up and mom's just calling you to go get something from her out the kitchen she in the bedroom on a call or some shit and she call you and you'd be like yeah you get one more time to respond correct or she gonna tell you to come to her pull up and you gonna get a box a box or a backhand that that is gonna rewire your whole way of thinking in milliseconds and and and that's the shit that i understood so it's like the shit that we was chasing obviously started in the house with making sure that that respect and that showing proved that you was able to hit them with the, I told you so this shit was going to work mom and dad.
19:28But then once you accomplish that, you know, now you want to be out here looking like you're the star that you've been talking about and been manifesting through your shit talk or through your, the way you move and the confidence that you you you you exemplify and you want to make sure that that shit that you saying is word is bond what i'm saying my word is bond i'm gonna do what i'm saying and i'm gonna show you better than i could tell you that what i'm saying is this is what's what were you saying back then was gonna happen like what was the dream that you were chasing it was it was a six i was gonna be successful in music and when that happened or i'm gonna become I'm a millionaire.
20:12And then when that happened, I'm gonna make sure that I don't ever fuck this up and I'm gonna evolve it into something that's gonna allow me to create generational wealth. Reese Witherspoon here, checking into my favorite hotel in Paris. Bonjour. Bonjour. I'm traveling with my Wells Fargo autographed journey card, so I earn rewards wherever I book travel. Five times points with hotels, four times with airlines, three times on restaurants and other travel, and one point on other purchases. Phew, that was a lot. I need to lie down. Is the room ready? Visit wellsfargo.com slash autographjourney. Terms apply.
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22:33And once I started to understand the different levels and be able to reach them, my focus now is the generational wealth. While still doing what I love and still having the passion and the desire to be one of the best currently, not just with the yesteryears or the legacy. And yeah, we're going to celebrate that too because we earned that right to passage. But I'm always in the present. And I want to be the present in the present. Yeah, I totally get that. When did you, were you always confident? Was there ever a moment? Like, when did you think, okay, I'm in my stride. I'm not turning back. Because for us, we were talking about you the other day because I hosted this like hip hop panel for Sprite.
23:21It was, you know, like Rob Markman. Yeah, I've seen that. And we were talking about the art of the guest appearance. and you on Scenario, how it was just such a standout moment. And then we were like kind of debating and discussing, like, did you kind of invent that moment? I definitely not only have been told, but then when you go back and you do the research, there's artists that collab before me. Of course. Symphony and all types of, yeah. Of course, you know. But I don't think there was ever the MC before, I don't think that ever existed before me where the MC that was running around and getting on everybody's shit.
24:14Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like there was times where it was like five, six, eight records and albums that I was on at the same time. And interestingly, it was something that the labels kind of would push against and would create little issues about clearing. But then it was obvious that it was working in their favor because the buzz and the momentum that was being created behind all of these feature opportunities was ultimately benefiting the label that I was signed to. Because I'm in five, six videos. I'm buzzing. They ain't had to spend them video budgets. You know, I'm getting paid for all of these verses.
25:04they didn't really have to be the one that had to hear the phone call all the time. Nobody knows it's a great idea, unless they're super creative, until it happens. Absolutely. So they're used to running on the same system. You can't do that. You shouldn't do that. You shouldn't do until you do. And you're like, see, now it works for you. All of a sudden, now everybody's on board. Yeah. And so that's when you're a leader, right? Yeah. You deal with that shit all the time when you're a leader. Yeah. And the beautiful part about leading is not being afraid to actually trailblaze. A lot of the times being first to do some shit also makes you the one that looks like the bozo for trying it if the shit fails.
25:44What the fuck you was going that route for? You should have stayed your ass over here and continued to move the way we all know how to move. But that's the gamble though. Without great risk, it ain't no great reward. But I didn't plan a lot of that shit neither. You know, it was like all of them rhyming on a bunch of people's records was because I was I was fucked up. I was fucked up. Oh, money wise? Yeah, I was broke. I was fucked up. I was. People were paying you for each one of those. Yeah, but I was soliciting myself because I had the wave from scenario and everybody wanted that Dungeon Dragon shit.
26:23But that's that that wave also led to me getting kicked out of the group. so I couldn't even go to do the show money. I couldn't collect that because if we was contracted as a group and the whole crew don't show up, we didn't breach a contract. So promoters was like, get out of here because all of y 'all ain't here, you know? So I couldn't get none of that money and I was the youngest one in the group but the first one to have a child. So I had to find a way to provide. What were you when you were your first child? 21. Oh, wow. Yeah, I was 21. and um that's young still in my mom's crib and and trying to get to the money no but even what's what was more challenging was my mom's was was seven dead serious seven-day adventist christian at the time
27:22So the mother of my child and my three sons today, her mother was angry that she got pregnant for me and was keeping it. So she put her out. So I had to move her into my mother's house to live with me while I was still living at my mother's house. and my mom was on some hey this step what the fuck you think is going on here you ain't no bastard kids living in my house you better get married or engage and you're 21 21 without starting your rap career I ain't got no choice I'm not ready for none of this but I got yeah I definitely loved her at the time and I loved my baby so
28:12did you get engaged I did it. Oh. Yeah, because the respect for my mother is her house. You never got married. Never been married in my life. Right. But I got engaged because that was the choice that had to be made for her to be able to live with me in my mother's house. Got it. And have my son in my house with me and my fiancee at the time. but coming home to that and looking at them and not having no group to get my money from yeah it was a different type of pressure because i'm facing it every day you know what i'm saying so i had to take advantage of this buzz that i had and was just constantly soliciting myself because I was on some fuck that out of sight, out of mind shit.
29:05I got to put myself in people's mind while I'm already in my mind. And you're not just doing verses. You're like murderous shit. I'm trying to take everybody's face off. So from scenario to scenario remix, it was like this motherfucker ain't hitting no bass hits. Everything is just being smacked out the ballpark. and we just like... Does your life change in that moment, in that time? Yeah. Like, quickly, because everybody wanted Busta Rhymes. It was to the point where I was getting calls just to talk. You know, I'm on Mary's first album, and I'm super grateful to Mary for this day for even thinking in this way.
29:49You know, when I got the call, Mary was sizzling, you know what I'm saying? And 411 album, and the Poobah collabs and all of that, and Poobah was hot too. Fire. And, you know, Poobah was like one of the MCs I looked up to, especially at that time. So I just started to feel like, damn, I'm starting to get calls where I'm now being included in this great company. And then it was crazy to me that when Mary asked me to appear on 411 album, she didn't even want me to rhyme. You did the voice thing. I just talked. Yeah. And then the same thing kind of happened with Missy on her first album. I didn't really rhyme.
30:30I did like a little couple of bars, but it was more about the talk. Like they wanted me to intro their projects. And I was like, this is some next shit. Like I'm so on fire right now that I don't even got a rhyme on shit to beat. And then the flavor in your ears came and then. Oh, then you're finished. The train is off. The tracks. All the way off the tracks, man. And it just kept happening like that. You know, it's like all I do is win remix and so many other moments in between that. You know, it's so crazy hearing this and then thinking about all the eras of you and the woo has and all the way to like even the Chris Brown join and the look at me now.
31:13And like you just find a pocket almost in every era of from then to now. There's never been a slow point. And when I think about how long that's been, and then I saw today that you have never been nominated for a Grammy. Is that right? No, I never won. You never won. How many times have you been nominated? Twelve times. Never won a Grammy. Never won a Grammy. In all these years. Yeah. With all those moments. And especially so much, wasn't just big moments in records, but it's like innovative, shifting of like, you know what I mean? Yeah. big moments where it felt like you were leading the charge of like that the time when you and missy were like changing what videos look like making artists feel like i want to spend a million dollars on my video too like literally leading the charge to think you won video awards though right yes yes recently recently never back then not not from mtv my first vma award literally I believe I received that last year holy shit I performed at the VMAs we performed I've won BET awards for videos yeah you know what I'm saying but MTV last year was my first time getting an award that's wild yeah that's wild yeah did that bother you were you somebody who chased that or cared about awards things like that I'm gonna put it this way I never chased anything other than to be successful and to be in the conversation of this motherfucker was one of the most incredible to do this.
32:50That was more important to me than any award. But we always want and super appreciate the accolades that comes with acknowledgement. You know what I'm saying? It's like it's almost like even if you don't receive an award for something, when you create and your name ain't on that credit, that's a big deal. And that's not about money. You get what I'm saying? It's about acknowledgement and respecting my contribution to the art and what the difference would be in it if I did not contribute to this as opposed to what it is because of my contribution. So that acknowledgement is always a rewarding feeling because
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33:44and that falls hand in hand with you know wanting to make sure that you was in the conversation about being the best to ever do it or one of the most incredible I wonder that for you if you get irritated because they leave you they love to leave you off a list yeah but you know what they also love to do is acknowledge me for being one of the crown holders of smacking the shit out of everybody when we get on these records together. Right. That's a constant conversation. Of course it is, but I feel like this should be bigger conversations. You're right. And you're absolutely right. At the same time.
34:26You're absolutely right. Yeah. And I think those moments happen when a motherfucker could walk away from a moment that they experience or hear and be able to say, that verse Busta Rhymes just did got me rethinking my top five. I love that talk because you can say the shit yourself. We always gonna say we the nicest. You're supposed to feel like that as an artist. Especially if you're passionate about the shit. Of course. I love it. But you can't make another motherfucker see it that way. So I just like to make a, I like to let motherfuckers see it. Like, okay, cool. Let's, let's, let's, let's, let's.
35:08I like to run towards what motherfuckers run from, from the booth to the stage to serious conversation. I love that. So, you know, by the way, that stage presence that can't nobody ever front on that. Thank you. Queen. I haven't seen people go down like big artists have to come on stage after you and it doesn't go well. It does not go well. I have witnessed it multiple times. Thank you, Queen. Where the poor artist who has to come on after Busta goes on to that stage. And I got a bigger split from scratch at all for that. For sure. Chemistry is never the same. I love your relationship with them.
35:51What is the key to that? That long-term friendship for you.
35:58I love how thoughtful you are about your answers. Yeah, like I've had to learn to be able to tolerate even what I don't like. That's very real. And it's the same vice versa because, you know, we all got our shortcomings. You know what I'm saying? but it's what I'm willing to tolerate that I don't like from attitude shit to
36:31sometimes the way we might speak to each other depending on what we going through that day and when you put the shit on a balance scale does it outweigh the good does it outweigh the way we've been able to productively benefit from our friendship even outside of business shit and that's the good thing about the friendship and the brotherhood that I got with Spliff and Scratchitore it's like it's been consistent and it's evolved in a better way and I think the love is just genuine and the respect is genuine you know what I'm saying it's like we've had we've had times where we had to just separate for a second there was a time where Spliff and me wasn't going on the road for like two years because you weren't getting along?
37:32yeah we just but a lot of those shows was happening overseas and people nobody really ever felt that time frame of us not being on the stage together wow and can remember it you know rest in peace dj rock raider but rock raider was my dj until he passed away because me and scratcher tour wasn't rocking for a little while neither
38:01and when it was all said and done you know not only did we realize maybe even the shit we was beefing about wasn't really worth going to the extent of us acting like we not going to still be the dopest shit when it comes to us three together and the friendship and the history and just what the magic is when we rock on that stage or when we making this music or when we doing these videos or when we just building and being friends and coming to each other crib and got the kids together and it's interesting when we say like we'll be on stage and sometimes we'll say this to people like this shit that me and Scratchitor and Spliff got as brothers is the difference between teams and families because team players get traded and family is forever and if the family is good family it's truly going to be forever so I salute my bros man they important to the entire universe personally and professionally for me i love we love to see it too i'm glad you guys worked through whatever the fuck was me too that's a fact all right guys you know what is so funny hip-hop fans can literally debate anything they can debate the best rapper best era of hip-hop uh the best album and it gets serious these conversations and now sprite is giving us a whole new argument it is the sprite living track list it's 50 songs that help shape hip-hop culture from rap legends to the hottest artists carrying the hip-hop torch today but the coolest part isn't just the tracks it's the stories behind them the lyrics the moments the impact and plenty to argue about check out the full sprite living track list and break down the stories behind your favorite bars at livingtracklist.genius.com this is the sprite living track list and it's so much fun Obey your thirst.
40:01What are you most proud of when we look at that whole, when we look at this whole journey of this 30 plus years of a unbelievable career? What I'm most proud of is that in the recent years, the flowers have abundantly evolved into like a receiving of a botanical garden. I'm super proud of that. And I'm super proud that I love it still so much. And I'm super proud that even with all of the beautiful acknowledgement, but like Hollywood Star and Second Global Icon Award to ever receive it at the EMAs next to Eminem and Lifetime Achievement Award with BET and, you know, a little Caribbean Music Award.
40:50All of it was just happening. It's just happening at the same time. And it's just continuing. That's beautiful. You know, with that being said, you know, and even with you talking about the Grammys, it's like, you know, when I look at this time frame. All of that leading up to what I'm getting ready to do right now with this new project. And it's with Jay Dilla and the album is called Diligence 2. and the difference between Diligence 2 and Diligence 1 was this is a real album that is going to be the IPs are going to be properly monetized and the Dilla estate is going to properly all of the business was done properly yeah because Diligence 1 you know it was like a me and Mick Boogie mixtape and it was something that we did to really pay homage to Dilla's legacy because he had passed in 2006.
41:51Wow. So we put that tape out in 2007, and that was 19 years ago, but it was given away for free. We wanted to correct that. So I'm like, I don't want to just do a couple of songs. Let me do an album. And when the album got done, Ma Deuce gave it her blessing. Ella Jay gave it his blessing. Dilla's two beautiful daughters gave it their blessing. the estate executors and you know the lawyers and all of them you know they've been very helpful in moving things forward so that we could facilitate completeness moment and Dilla with this being his 20 year transition I got 5 album anniversaries that I'm celebrating so it's Lita's first album 35 years Tribe's first second album Low in Theory, 35 years with Scenario Oh My God.
42:46The coming album, 30 years with Woo Ha. Genesis album with Kavassi and Breaking Neck, 25 years. Big Bang album, 20 years. And then the Grammys is airing on Dilla's birthday. So you about to get a Grammy? I'm claiming the divine. I want that for both of you. You know what I'm saying? How great would that be to be able to like with Dilla, his legacy? Me and Dilla got an album that he wins and I win Grammys for on the, for the first time on his born day. Wow. It's just a divine alignment happening. Yeah. So that speaks to when you was talking about how many times I got nominated and never won. Yeah.
43:27If it's going to happen, it would be no crazier time than for it to happen now. How do you explain Dilla's importance or who he is to somebody who maybe doesn't know young or maybe just somebody who missed the wave? Or how do you explain his importance and his impact? I would definitely tell them that Dilla is the most important piece as a producer ever to impact me. and the way he made my spirit move out of every producer in this planet with Q-Tip, with Dr. Dre. And that's not taken away from my other favorites, which is like Pete Rockman, Large Professor, you know,
44:21Primo. Like, they the gods of this to me. Yeah. Right? But Q-Tip is the first one to impact my life as a producer. Dre, but then when Dilla, something about that Dilla, it just did something to me. So, and I think a lot of people have experienced the difference between when I work with Dilla and every other producer. Oh, Knott's is another one that I hold in a very high regard. So big up to Knott's. But I would tell that person that first, and then I would try to show them all of the different moments that I would suggest that they go to. Give me two, two or three. First of all, Fall in Love, Slum Village, Fantastic Voyage, Volume 2 album.
45:11Can't Keep Running Away, Wreck It, Far Side. That's so good. That was so good.
45:19Stakes is High, Daylight. and for my own catalog
45:28there's a song called Show Me What You Got Enjoy The Ride So Hardcore Can't Hold The Torch With Me And Kamal I got too many for my own catalog but that list is long But yeah, those are like the joints that I would send or direct people to go in and just listen. And then after you listen, just go do a deep dive on just so you could look at him. There's so much footage of him and how he worked in his own basement studio in Detroit to how he worked with D 'Angelo. Like this shit with D 'Angelo and him that they did that is just crazy to me. It's like. How do you deal when you mentioned D 'Angelo too?
46:18It's like, and I'm glad you had them. I just wanted people who maybe didn't know to send them off on a, on a ride to go check out some Dilla stuff. But the fact that D 'Angelo's not here and Dilla's not here, I was thinking about Chris Lighty a lot as I'm getting ready for you to come in today. So much loss. Mr. C's birthday was yesterday. There's so many people that we came up with that was so impactful and not just, not just our lives, but culture in general that are not here anymore. How do you, I don't know. I have a hard time with it sometimes. I wonder how you manage. I have an incredibly hard time with it.
46:55Ananda Lewis. Ananda. You were close, huh? Very close. Fat Man Scoop. You know what I'm saying? It's very difficult because it's like, it's starting to feel like it's getting a little too close. like you know when we would hear about our superheroes in entertainment that would pass away when we was younger that wasn't happening to our alumni like that it did but not the way it's been happening recently which is a testament to the times in life that we're in now and it's rough. You can't prepare for those losses. You can't fully.
47:50I don't know if there's ever a full bounce back from when you experience the love of those relationships that meant so much to you. And that void that they filled specifically in a way that nobody else could feel.
48:13So it's challenging. And it's ill. I met D 'Angelo and Dilla through Q-Tip. So for both of my brothers to not be here, it's crazy because I'm doing this album with primarily the entire album is Dilla production with the exception of like two songs But I got a song with D 'Angelo and myself and Dilla. On this album? On this album. Wow. It's called This Woman. Sounds amazing. It's incredible. Sounds great. This Woman with D 'Angelo? Come on. Sounds great. Incredible. And you shot the video with Hype. And this is the first time me and Hype worked. Wow. Since back then. Yeah. Wow. So it's a lot of moments that was somewhat of an emotional roller coaster to deal with in the process of creating the work.
49:16because it's like it's now magic that the world never heard from relationships that were long. But two of the brothers ain't here, but they are here through the music. So it's like, it's challenging. Yeah, for sure. But it's still powerful. and I'm just grateful that, you know, I'm gifted with the opportunity to share that magic because I know that these two brothers impacted the world in such a way that the world was hoping and looking forward to a moment like this being able to happen again. I can't wait to hear it. That sounds amazing. Thanks, Queen. Hey guys, you ever sign up for a phone plan thinking, wow, what a great price?
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53:00All right, we have a segment called Voice Notes, presented by Boost Mobile. It's usually a fan or a friend of the show or somebody has a question or comment. Brittany's going to play it. A little voice note for you. Cool. Yo, Buster, what up, my brother? It's DJ Sus1. You've been in the game a long time, and you've been around some of the greatest legends of our hip-hop culture. has there ever been a conversation that you had with one of our hip-hop legends that is not here anymore that you think about all the time that sits with you today and it has impacted you till today huh that's so funny we were just talking about that yeah it's crazy if i'm just thinking off the top of my head the most recent memory that's a hard question i'm thinking there's just so many people that are no longer here I always think about Mr.
53:48C because Mr. C. I was getting ready to say C. No way. Everything I stand for love and believe in. Because, and it's probably one of the most challenging times in my life. But remember the situation that transpired around the Touch It remix video? I do. Okay. When it started to get so out of control and it felt like the whole planet, Because for me, in that moment, I was being blamed for things I had nothing to do with. I was super confused. The police was excessive. The harassment, the surveillance, the arrest. Because remember, after that, I went to jail like four times in 10 months. Jesus, boss.
54:44You don't remember seeing me constantly getting arrested? Yes. It's crazy that that's not in my highlight reel. Yeah. But yes, it was a dark time. whole moment and then dealing with
55:00legal shit, dealing with being banned from being able to even work in New York because I was now being considered a high risk artist.
55:16A lot of people at that time started to distance too. but C didn't C I remember C hit me on the phone one day and I was literally in the kitchen of my crib in Tribeca and C hit me on the phone one day and he was like bus understand something
55:42as unfortunate as this situation is
55:49make sure your faith is unwavered bro because as long as you ain't living with no guilt this too shall pass bro and i needed to hear that seriously at that time because i was questioning all types of shit you know i'm saying you were rocked you were like yeah you I was super rocked. I never felt that level of being rocked before. Isn't that wild how you could be like, there's something somebody says in the moment of like, whatever, when you're down, it could be just one person with some kindness or with some, you can be all right, or reminding you that, I don't know, sometimes that's why I always say like, tell people how you feel, try, because you just never know.
56:39Somebody just needs that one thing to like remind them. about themselves. C was good for that. C was like you. C would always tell people he loved them. Same as you. Love you, man. Love you, sis. Yeah, we always get that from him. Shout out, Mr. C. We miss you, man. Shout out to C. Shout out to Dilla. Shout out to D 'Angelo. Shout out to Nanda. Shout out Fat Man Scoop. Shout out so many people. Fife Dog. Fife. like so many you know and the list is longer it's way longer you know i'm saying it's like as we're speaking about them you know that's why i wanted to make sure i just said that it just feels like i needed to say that so you rely on your faith go back remember your faith you can't play with that yeah what kind of faith like like what do you how does that play in your life like Are you somebody who prays a lot?
57:35Do you church? What is your ritual? What is your relationship? I have regular conversations with the most high. All day? I wouldn't say all day, but I prioritize having it at least once to twice a day. At least once. And I like to do it in the morning. like before i you know if i gotta wake up and and go to the bathroom or something i used to be the type of person that had grabbed the phone right away and i was like there's something wrong with this you grabbing the phone before you give thanks that you woke up is a little weird yeah you know we get conditioned and programmed to do these things that But sometimes we got to rethink what we're prioritizing.
58:30So you get up in the morning, you get to the conversation first. Get to that conversation immediately. Give thanks and talk about certain things that I want to deal with and improve and fix with myself. And, you know, what I want to see, what I'm claiming, what I'm looking forward to manifesting. not just for me, but for the people that I love. And I just didn't get the day started and I get to trying to execute what that conversation was. Because you can't just say the shit and not believe it, not do it, not apply it, not manifest it in a tangible way. And that ain't just physically touching it, spiritually feeling that evolution too believing what you're believing it y 'all seeing right gotta believe it all of this shit we do in school ain't really give us the this the the the the science on how to navigate this shit we figured out something that we felt passionate about we identified with it we honed in on it we claimed it and then we manifested it that ain't no man shit that comes from something else that once you align with that frequency and you identify with that divine thing and then you do your part and let the magic happen that makes a big difference between who's the ones and who's not And, you know, I believe that everything that has transpired for all of us for so many years, that shit ain't no accident.
1:00:15That ain't no coincidence. That ain't no. That's what I'm saying is the current space in life is happy, man, because we figured shit out. It's ill because that's what we started this conversation with. Figuring it out. We figured it out. We figured out a lot of shit. it's like what have you figured out what are the keys what can we share what can we leave people with what are the important things about longevity success and like you said joy happiness that's figuring it out if you can have longevity success joy relationship with God or Most High or whatever you connected to God God that's a pretty good life I think the happy part comes at a certain time in your life okay tell me when do you get it when do you find it There's people starving for it right now, so help them.
1:01:06I think, you know, you got to go through love and hell in order for shit to turn out right. Like, there's no way to avoid that part. Nah, there ain't no shortcut. But you kind of get to a point, and again, I'm not sitting here saying that my shit is perfect. Nah, none of us exempt from the bullshit. We still got to deal with the bullshit. But I think for me personally, when you first starting to get into this space where you feeling yourself, you don't bump your head all types of ways. Right. Then you evolve from that space and you get to a space where you learn from that shit and you realize that feeling yourself should always be a part of who you are.
1:01:55And I'm not saying that in a way where you should compromise how you view yourself, but it still needs to be done within reason so that coexisting could be better for you, which then could help that experience be better for others, which then helps you finally get to this place where this shit starts to feel so great with the changes that you've made to be better, not just for yourself, but for others, that you start to realize that it becomes a non-negotiable stipulation. what being happy feeling good the happiness and the joy and the better feeling that you get from evolving into this place that makes your coexistence feel better for you and for others the results of that shit always feels better than just being on my own shit and feeling myself to the point where i don't give a fuck about how others feel how i affect others you've done that before huh for a long time because you misconstrue what it is to prioritize your happiness but your happiness ain't just about you it should be prioritized as the first thing that you have on the list of things to do because you can't give happiness if you ain't happy.
1:03:23But it ain't just about your happiness. You got to be a collective happiness. Especially when you have kids. Do you think you're a good father? I think that according to my kids and our beautiful relationship, even with some of the shortcomings, I did a great job as a dad. proud of my children and I'm proud of how they love and they show me the respect and the love and the support that they've only received from how they was raised in our home and it's the most amazing feeling in the world because they constantly make it their business to remind me of that and make sure that I'm sure and I'm clear on that and I definitely do the same with them because they are amazing.
1:04:20I mean, if you got that right, you did all right, but still you got a good career. Kids love you. I definitely, you know, I'm still trying to right some wrongs, you know? Like what? Oh, with the kids, you mean? Or just like... Yeah, with the kids. And with life, you know, there's things that I've done that I still want to fix. And there's things that I still want to improve. And there's things that I still want to... I want to make sure that I get it all the way right before it's all said and done. So everything is always a, every day is a work in progress. You know what I mean? But it's never going to be perfect across the board.
1:05:00Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And as long as that, as long as there is an opportunity with the people you love, especially to be able to collectively figure out how to find the solutions, that's the most amazing part to me. I'm going to do my little in real life questionnaires. Got you. What is something you had to forgive yourself for? I think I might have had moments where I've spoken to my father in ways that I never should have. And lived with that guilt for a long time. Did you ever get to make that right before he passed? Yeah, I definitely got the chance to. Oh, thank God. But the thing that contributed to the turn that I made after he passed when I got super out of shape and fat and drinking and smoking and going through all of that shit was because for a long time,
1:06:06he wanted to make make sure that i understood how important it was to make a lot of things right not just with him but with him and just just like the family because some of us wasn't getting along And it was super important to him that we fix that, especially when he was going through his decline. And he's so ill, yo. Like, he created a scenario that made us have to come together because we needed each other for it to work. so he even controlled the situation after he passed best decision and worst decision you've ever made in real life we'd be loyal to the wrong shit you've done that i take it a lot of times to what people or prior primarily people you know people will use the loyalty component as a very manipulative device.
1:07:25And you get caught up in that because, you know, we're conditioned to believe that it's loyalty over royalty. Death before dishonor. Retrayal is the worst shit. But under what circumstances? Yeah, to what end? That's like ride or die. I'm so tired of ride. Why do I want to die? I don't want to die. And by the way, if you love me, you shouldn't want me to die either. But you know, some of these things, like, again, they're terms. Yeah. And the perspectives to what those terms are start to get managed within reason as we get to these different places in our lives. So I ain't so mad at the terms no more, but I get what you're saying.
1:08:16I'm more mad at the way we subject ourselves to these terms. that's the thing that I think sometimes people don't learn how to do and get stuck in these time frames time periods where those terms meant something completely different in your 20s yeah as opposed to what it means in your 30s your 40s and years beyond that well I'm glad you're prioritizing your happiness you deserve it thank you so much Queen and congratulations on the new project thank you Queen I hope you get a Grammy thank you Queen anything you want people to know about it Yeah, just know that this is a climate-shifting moment in the culture.
1:08:57And you don't need to hear that from me. I mean, experience it. The album is out now, Diligence 2. Jay Dilla, Busta Rhymes, Busta Rhymes, Jay Dilla. I want to big up all the artists that's on the album, too, because everybody that pulled up did such an amazing job. Big up all of the producers. Big up the Dilla estate. Big up the D 'Angelo estate. big up all of the legal team big up the principal marketing and promotions team empire distribution um my managers mona scott young a blitz big up my super dope combo super dope and um you know you mentioned chris mona and chris you know they've been a part of my life the majority of the run the whole solo career run um but yeah so everybody enjoy that and love it and and and live with it all right let's end with an IRL bowl question and send you on your way boo all right cool whatever just pick one see what do you hope people learn from you I mean if you ain't learned through this entire conversation the consistent narrative Learn to prioritize your happiness over everything else.
1:10:19That is the way that I think you will be able to experience something that I am experiencing that I can't even really find the right words for. But it's a beautiful feeling when you know that your happiness is really something that you control. Yeah. Keep being happy, Buster. That's Buster Rhymes in real life.
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Hip-hop legend Busta Rhymes joins Angie Martinez to talk about being able to adapt to the trends of each decade of music, find a way to co-parent while balancing a busy rap career, and how was able to find peace and happiness with his life.
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