Angie Martinez IRL - Durand Bernarr: How To Grow Without Losing Who You Are

28:31And then somebody who maybe didn't know you was like, well, who is that? Yeah. Like it was just one of those moments that's just like electric and even maybe bigger than even you could have imagined that moment to be. Did you feel like that about it? I, the first thing I was thinking of was I got these open back mules on and I'm running at a slant downward. Oh God. Please do not fall. I just, but I just had to, my toes was like this. God wouldn't do you like that. Okay. I was ready to tumble. Cause again, I fall in my fall. I said, we were just going to roll back up. It was at that, in that moment, it was about me.

29:10As soon as it was over, it was about everybody else. It was about all of the independent artists who have been out here for years hustling, doing it by themselves. This was for every artist who was told, you know, you're doing too much. You need to tone it down. Nobody's going to listen to you. Nobody's going to pay attention to you while you acting like this, while you doing this. and it was just very much a big...

29:40What was that?

29:48Because 20 years is a nice chunk of time to be doing something. And even within that, I'll say at my...

29:58I'll say almost my 10-year mark, I was feeling like am I even what am I doing you know oh you have a doubt yeah this was this was when I moved out to LA wow cause I I got into Uber and lifting you know I was doing that on the side and this is already you have music out people with fans yeah but this was also this was before Sam's Vibe this was before Kei Trenada so those those first four years out in LA when I moved out there in 2015 um productive however also you can get caught up in like i said the the cycle of the hustle and then you're you're so focused on trying to make sure you can pay rent you can do all this and then you you have a little bit of time to work on you know your art and what makes you happy and you know so um it wasn't until 20 yeah end of 2015 um I started to have assistants you know bringing bring other people in you know because I was doing all my recording by myself writing by myself arranging by myself wow and so once I started bringing other people in that's when things started to shift and started to make noise um and I'm just grateful that I was in a position where I was open to it because I know I don't have all the answers you know and I tell people that anytime we go into sessions like look y 'all got the plaques I don't so um I'm the I'm the mannequin put whatever your ideas are like put it on me and let's see how I go because and also me liking the record doesn't necessarily mean I have to that's not that's not a foundational thing you know because a lot of people's biggest records they they weren't feeling but it got them to where they needed to go you know so um yeah that's been wow it's been a it's been a it's been a wild ride but i but i've been open it's just the openness yeah you know i think about um i was thinking about that you said you know we've heard you tell a story about how like the year before you didn't win you didn't think you was gonna win so was in the back and you ran up and I thought to myself I wonder what that felt like for you somebody I've been independent for so long grinder for so long then getting nominated then not winning like you joke about it now like I didn't think I was in the back but I'm like but but did that was that hurt was that weighing on you did you feel I did not want to feel another layer of disappointment because it was something that I absolutely felt that was out of my control you know um i even up until that point i felt like i don't know if i did enough you know groundwork to for people to know what's going on so that they could vote for me or they could know that i have you know material out so it was just and also too with you know avery sunshine she won in my category the the year before her and um no worries and she was asking me like have you written your speech yet and i was like i haven't you know she was like please write your speech she said i was trying to thank who I needed to because I didn't think that I was.

33:13People were telling me, you're not going to win. And I just didn't want to write another heartfelt speech from my heart that the world was not going to hear. So that's why I was like, I'm not going to write it, and I'm going to sit in the back. And right before we left to go to the theater is when I finished writing my speech. Wow. And still sat in the back, because I'm just like... just in case just in case I want an easy out but me but me counting myself out even in the slightest ended up being a viral moment it was so good it ended up working on my face but that moment those moments of not the moment of not winning and that feeling it didn't make you bitter though right because you never I was still tender I was still tender about it because we also have to go back to 2020

34:052020 2020, end of 2020. That was the first time you got nominated? That was the first time. No, no, no. That was the first time that I was on a project as a feature that won a Grammy. That was Kay Trinata's Bubba album. I did Free Fall. And I got a call from a friend saying, oh, bitch, you got a Grammy too because you're a feature on the album. You get a Grammy too. And then there were other artists on the album talking about, oh, we get a Grammy. We got this. They making videos. I made a video. I'm brushing my Grammy award with them teeth, bitch. I'm going to be doing all this. And then a homegirl of mine who worked on the board, baby, she was like, oh, friend, you got a moment.

34:44And so, hey, Brittany, baby, she was like, so, friend, so because you need to put in 51 % or more into the entire body of work to receive the hardware, you receive a participation certificate oh no so i had i went back online and i explained everybody like actually y 'all i don't get a grammy like this is what you know i'm saying friends you know and then there was the well you still a grammy at one you still a winner to me it's like come on y 'all y 'all ain't gotta do this please it's okay you know i'm saying it's okay like we we didn't No. So there was a little bit of that. People love you, though.

35:32How sweet is that? Yeah, no, and I really appreciated that. You know, it's just I don't think they understood that because I'm my parents' only baby and I was homeschooled, I never had to do competition. You know, I wasn't in sports and all that kind of stuff. It's always been about me. I'm the winner. You know, I'm the winner. I win everything. I'm the beginning and the end. Okay? The first and the last. Like, what are we talking about? So to go through that on a global scale and then to not get it when people have been telling you the reasons why you're going to get it and why you deserve it.

36:05It was like, ooh, I don't like that. And then I had to go throughout the rest of the evening. You know, there was a clip where Janelle Monae saw me on the carpet and she runs up to me and hugs me. She was like, how did it go? Did you get anything? You don't hear us, but you see us talking. and you see my face go. And she was like, it's all right. It's all right. We're going to do something anyway. Like, you know, and it was just, you know, so. And then of course I had that tight ass cummerbund on. So there was just no slack. I couldn't breathe. And I just, so at the end of the day when I was actually able to go home and be by myself is when I was able to actually unfold.

36:46Because it was just, I had to be all day. so that was that was an adjustment and so it was just like I said I was still a little tender from that particular moment but when we came back the next time we had three nominations what I said oh one for the father one for the son one for the homo ghost okay happy pride so yeah that just yeah it was a bit more and also we were more prepared this time it was divine timing it happened when it was supposed to. We love an alignment. Right? Yeah. Everything happens when it's supposed to happen. All right, ladies. If you have been struggling with dry hair breakage or just finding the right routine for your curls, I've got the trick for you.

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41:06You know, no. Tell me a time though. Tell me a time you had to bend. You had to be, give me an example of what that means in your world, in your real life. So back when I was, I'll say late teens going into early 20s, I was heavy on the jazz. Heavy on jazz. Billie, Sarah, Ella, Big May Bell, Phyllis Hyman, Esther Phillips. Just a bop, bop, a lube bop. Okay. All of that. and that bled into how I approached music and so there was no structure and and it felt good to me but I was trying to figure out why wasn't it translating to other people and so again when I brought someone in to let them listen to the music they're like okay well you you sound amazing but these melodies like what they're all over the place what are you doing no no this is how we need to do this.

41:55So you do like this and whatnot, and let's try something else, but keep this. I was like, that's all you had to do? That's all it was? A little difference in structures? Yes, just a little tidbit. It was so minute, but it made such a huge impact. And that's what the song Melody was about. I was explaining how I've been working by myself, and now I found my recipe for what is dope. because I didn't have to change who I was. I just had to tailor the garments. I love that. Speaking of the recipe of why you're dope, what is the comparison? Oh, God, I can't remember. I remember you talking about the difference between, it's not a sketch, it's like church.

42:39Was it church voice or tone versus club? Oh, wait, what was it? I wrote it down. Was it? Okay, okay. I'm going to find a few because I got to get it right. I was like, yes, yes. I'm like, what was that? You don't even remember this. You do so much funny stuff. I know. I'm doing so much. You just do so much that you don't even remember what I'm talking about. Oh, you got to send it to me. All right, I'm going to find it. I'm going to find it. Okay, okay, please. But I feel like that is the kind of sweet spot of what you do. Even some of the songs. I mean, you remade a gospel song. Oh, I've remade so many.

43:12We did a grown Christian. I'm talking about one specific one that went kind of viral. Fuck these, fuck me. Yes! Forever. And ever, and ever, and ever For all the shit you put me through Y 'all niggas corny We know it Y 'all all can go to hell Fuck these niggas For stress Sing me

43:55Church! Yo! What happens when you do something like this? Because it's one thing and you do it and it's like you're a little, not little, big, but your community on your Instagram and your things. There's another thing when you do something and it goes so viral that it starts to get legs. Because then people have opinions that's not part of, that don't get your humor and your thing, did that cause any issue? Or you just don't pay it? I try not to pay too much attention to that. Because it's so easy to be like, oh God, I don't want to make anybody upset. Angie, let me tell you something. When the people pleaser discovers that people are never pleased,

44:39you stop giving a fuck. Truly. Like, people are never pleased. Even when you try to do things in the way that they suggested that you do. And it's still not good enough. So why are we wasting our time doing that? Especially with people that don't even live our lives, don't even live even parallel to our lives. Even if you could fit my shoes, you can't stroll in. So I like to focus on the people who - There's just so many words. You have so many words. Listen, I got two therapists. I've been around the elders. We've been around. I'm a spurn. not the elders that's a perfect combination by the way the therapists and the elders don't have like a faith also at the same time and all that going on at the same time you are well armed come on covered you are covered I love that when did you find therapy professionally 2020 but I'd been oh not six years I guess that was professional What we're talking about, like, unprofessional?

45:43We're talking... What is an unprofessional therapist? Badu. Badu? Badu. She's one of my therapists. I mean, she's a professional. Absolutely. You got my, of course, my mom, my dad. You had Devette Singletary, who was one of my managers at the time and also a mentor. Yeah. And just people that I've come across that just did not mind pouring into me, you know, because they saw that I didn't mind listening. You know, I love to sit down and hear stories and to, you know, take note of what things we not going to do and what we not going to do is that. Okay, back. And now, another appliance triumph from our friends at Grand Appliance.

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49:41You know. I love that. Give me a Badoo. Give me a Badoo jewel she poured into you. Oh. Too many, I know, right? Just one that comes to mind. No, there's one immediately that comes to mind. And this is when I called her when I discovered that I got cheated on. And she had me, she was texting me. And she she texts me this this prayer to recite. And one of the last things that it said was, I am not a victim. I am a student and I am grateful. And also, that was the same time where she taught me how not to internalize. you know how do you do that it's a practice because a lot of times you know when people are behaving towards us in a certain way or or even just exuding certain energy that we might feel like oh did i do something wrong did you and my thing is if you don't come and talk to me i'm not finna assume shit i i i can't if you if you don't feel comfortable enough to at least come and talk to me say hey duran when you did x y and z that made me feel this way bet let's take inventory into that because I don't want to make you feel that way.

50:52But if you can't even come and talk to me, let me know that I did something wrong. Obviously we ain't that close. And that's okay too. But I can't internalize. It will literally like tatter your nervous system. It's hard to do that if somebody cheats on you or you're in a relationship and you've poured into somebody. Can you not internalize that? Is that something you can... Well, again, it's a practice. And my thing is, if I've done my due diligence to make sure that the floor is open for you to be able to talk to me, or if there's something that you need, if you don't let me know, how am I going to know?

51:33Like, if you don't tell me how you're feeling, I'm not going to give a damn. Because I'm genuinely ignorant of what's going on inside. and also we have to remember that how people treat treat you is really a reflection of how they view themselves and again you can't you can't take on their issues i mean you can but you know that whole empathy shit listen y 'all can keep that i don't have time to be walking around here feeling everybody's god damn shit i need i need that word i need that word for me to angie let me tell you something you see this right here what is this yes so this is from an episode of Black Mirror.

52:14It was, I think, season four or season six, but the episode was called Black Museum. And there were three episodes within the episode. This particular one was called Pain Addict. It's about this doctor who got presented with some new technology to help with medicine. It was this plant that got installed into the back of his head that was attached to a hairnet. You put the hairnet on someone else, he can feel what the other person is feeling without suffering the physical ramifications of it. So they were trying to figure out how to help people. You know, they bring folks in, put the hairnet on.

52:48He'd be able to detect what was going on in their body without them even knowing that there was something else going on. Everything was great until one day he went in there, they strapped this guy up. And immediately as soon as he put the hairnet on, he felt this pain. He's like, oh God, what the fuck am I feeling? The man was having a heart attack and he flatlined while he was still wearing the hairnet. The doctor blacked out for two minutes, came back, brain was scrambled like a motherfucker because now you have experienced the ecstasy of death while you are still conscious. So now him, it went from wanting to feel pleasure to now he needs to feel pain.

53:27And now he's going to work putting that, having people wear that hairnet and riding the pain because he's trying to get back to that high. and I realized like I can't put hairnets on everybody I can't feel everybody's shit I can't I can do my best where I can but we can't give our fucks to everybody we gotta reserve them for the folks that genuinely like we can cause you gotta reserve our fucks empathy is a tricky thing boy because it's putting a package with a bowl as if it's a good thing yeah you're such an empathetic person here's your here's your you know like it's put like it's a good thing but if you don't know how to manage it or regulate it it actually can harm you oh yeah listen i i just was working through um through my second therapist i got two wait two at the same time yes oh do they have a conflict oh no just a couple weeks ago i have both of them on three-way what are we talking about i need all hands on deck what are you what are you trying to fix it it's not about fixing it's just you when you're going through certain things and it's like no i need multiple perspectives at the same time because both of y 'all know what's going on and i just need everybody we just need to have a team meeting yeah and i say that with with pride and with surety within myself that i don't have all the answers and a nigga be needing help too you know so i love that because it's we everybody needs help all the time you don't need to our therapists have therapists therapists have therapists but you come from a great family you love your parents your parents love you you know normally when we hear the therapy heavy therapy especially or people who like really rely on therapy it's like you know troubled childhood and trauma and i mean we all have our traumas and having a career having a career you You need to be in therapy when you are in the spotlight.

55:30You know. To navigate. To navigate, seriously. Yeah. You're doing all right. Listen, I think I'm doing a pretty good job. I think you're doing a fancy. Ain't been arrested. Like you said, you're not built for that. You know, I'm not. That's not. Listen, if there is ever, ever a time where you see Duran in a fight, understand it is nothing I ever started. However, it was something that I had to finish because I'm always going to choose to walk away. If there is ever not, I'm always going to walk away. But as my father always said, it's me and you till it's me or you. Your father got bars, too. We have all lived.

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57:41Independent life ain't for everybody. It's not. It is not. It is not for the weary. You probably get that a lot. There's probably a lot of independents out here, independent artists that are inspired by your path. I honestly, the only thing that I can really accredit to how far I've gotten is, first and foremost, having a father as my manager. So pops being in the music, being around the industry and kind of, again, being a part of my covering. So I was able to avoid a lot of things that I've seen other artists get involved with, you know, managers taking advantage of them. So that was one thing.

58:25One thing I wish I had have done earlier was just bring people in. You know, I was very much, I'm doing this by myself. I don't need no, this is my personal feelings. I don't need nobody telling me how I'm supposed to feel. But it wasn't until I brought other people in. shout out to Louis York, Claude Kelly, and Chuck Harmony. Which, by the way, Claude wrote Party in the USA by Molly Cyrus. And I was like, I want a party in the USA type record. And they gave me generous. You would have killed Party in the USA. Let's say it's a party in my hands like, yeah. Moving my hips like, yeah.

59:09But yes. Is it too late? It's too late. But yeah, no, when I when when they came in and we worked on En Route, that was when I got my first Grammy nomination. So it's just the more that that people come in that understand you, that see the vision and can just embellish that. That was just key. It was very simple. That has to come with some trust, too, no? Yeah. Yeah. And that that that takes. But again, I have my I'm my family. You know, I don't know. I don't have any experience of having a machine of a label behind me. I do know what it feels like to have a village surround me and us reaching to the sides and seeing what brilliance we have up in here that can help elevate something.

59:53And it's just, it's been great to get to these moments. That's why there hasn't really been any nerves or any imposter syndrome. Because not only do I know I deserve to be exactly where I am, I have people around me that I'm familiar with that I know that have my back. So that is the grounding of my peace. I love that. So that's probably a good, I didn't get his name, the call. You say Wongo? Mongo? Wongo, yeah, Wongo. Yes, I thought I heard that. I think for somebody like that, it's like, find your people. Find your people. Find your community. Yeah. And we are out here. And I have to remind people, yes, niggas is crazy.

1:00:38Absolutely. Hands down, full stop. However, there are people out here who are waiting for the opportunity to support us and to be there for us and to be in our corner and to root for us and to speak highly of us in rooms where we're not in. And also having people in your life that represent you well when you're not in the room. So good. Oh, God, when I think about people in my life who represent me when I'm not in the room and I want to represent them well when they're not in the room. I love that. and your parents probably it starts there this is the way you represent them and the way you talk about them and then how they do for you that's probably where you learn that from I wonder what it feels like to be them to see to have a maze and sound like you yes!

1:01:34a phenomenal entity and to see but also it's to see the perfect hybrid of both of them you have my mother's antics you have my father's face like just I'm a just a perfect combination of them both I just wonder what that genuinely feels like I know they're proud but there's a certain and I've felt pride before but that's a different level of pride that I don't I don't think I'll experience and so I'm I'm glad that I can at least see how that makes them feel you don't have a pride for that but you have pride in them I do absolutely yeah but you didn't make them I know actually I made them parents yes I did Oh my gosh.

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1:03:19about three things i'm at my best when i'm rested i'm at my best when i'm nourished food yes okay yes got to nourish myself i don't want to wither away and i'm at my best when I'm around people that make me love who I am. Yeah. I'm absolutely... And I'm going to mention when I'm high, okay? Because I'm going to whoop nobody's ass, okay, while I'm trying to raid the fridge. Oh, my God. You're going to take another one? Oh, I love this. Let's go. Mm.

1:04:05when was the last time you cried when was this this is recent it could be of gratitude it doesn't have to be a sad cry it could be a happy cry no no um well no i'll say i think that i can think of the last time that i like cried are you a crier or you like not um i have i have i have crying capacities okay yeah absolutely because we don't want to be emotionally constipated. You know, we got to let it out.

1:04:36I'll say like last like cry cry, April. Oh, a couple of months. Yeah. Was it like a sad cry? Oh, a sad cry. It was a devastation cry. But it's okay because we're growing, we're learning, you know. But yeah, I was just like, oof. It's that savior complex. It's that, you know, trying to be everything for everybody and realizing, oh, I am stretching myself a little too thin here. You know, so. So, yeah, that was probably the last time. At least a sad, at least a sad part. What do you do when you. Because that is that is a thing that is pretty common. When we stretch ourselves too thin. How do you recognize it and how do you get out of it?

1:05:19How do you adjust? Adjust.

1:05:26For me, it's listening to my body. I think it's important that you do check-ins with yourself, because if you don't sit down, your body will sit you down. I know. Have you ever been sat down? Because I've been sat down at least twice, maybe three times. When I tell you my body will be like, you keep playing with me. Absolutely. and we have to treat we have to treat our bodies like like the machine that it is you know and it will work for you if you work with it so oh my god I had the best advice when I went to a doctor and I was I had been getting vertigo I've been like dealing with this vertigo shit whatever so I went to the doctor and he told me he said I'm just gonna say this to you you require four things everything else is a want you have four needs You have to eat, you have to drink, you have to move your body, and you have to sleep.

1:06:25And everything else, family, career, love, whatever, everything else is a want. So if you're not getting your four necessities, you have to reorganize your wants. Because what you can't do, because I was like, you know, I haven't slept because I've been trying to do this. And I haven't been drinking as much. Well, yeah, I know I need to go to the gym, but I haven't because of this. So you're sacrificing your four needs for the wants, which is wrong, because that will put you in the hospital. Maybe. He represents a lot of athletes. He's a doctor for a lot of athletes and stuff. And he said, anytime an athlete's in the hospital, I can say to them pretty confidently, have you been eating, drinking, sleeping, and moving?

1:07:06Moving about it. If I ask all four things, I guarantee you, most people in the hospital, one of the needs are not being met. Yeah, yeah. So just start there. And I don't know, that shit? That, it sounds so... Simple. But it's, your body will, baby. Right? It really will, like, I don't know, because you have to shift. You have to, I worked so hard. I didn't, I couldn't sleep all my hours. Yeah. Well, guess what's going to happen to you? Yeah, no, your body going to take that rest. And at the most inopportune time. And you're going down. Yeah. One more? All right, fine. Last one. Well, then I have a couple of my own.

1:07:44If you could instantly master any skill, what would it be? Speaking any and every language. Ooh, you in every language? That would be, baby. Wait till I get my Espanol together. Okay, because... Because not just speaking, that would mean that you could sing in every language. Absolutely. Somebody told... Wait, I know exactly who told me. Intelligence told me that I need to sing No Business in Spanish. And I need to get that together. Can you teach me? My Spanish is awful. I'm so ashamed I'm sorry to say and then we have Martinez not knowing a bit of Espanol I know it's not I do know a bit I don't know enough to teach you and then I'll teach you wrong and then everybody's going to blame me because my Spanish is not that great it's really I know I can sing that I can order food I can get I can move around in any country you know in the country but it's embarrassing to my people if I speak publicly that is something that I used to be embarrassed that I used to apologize or be embarrassed about.

1:08:45And now it's just kidding. It is what it is. I work on it. I try to. It's something I definitely want to get better at. No, that's what it is. It is what it is. I'm third generation. What do you want me to do? What do you want me to do? Okay. In real life, what are you most proud of about yourself? This is more like a speed round. Yeah, yeah. My audacity. In real life, what do you pray for most?

1:09:13that I wish a nigga would. You pray. Really. You pray. You know, pray to myself. I wish a nigga would. And I'm niggas. Yeah, you would. Wish you would take that trash out, okay? Wish you would fold them clothes up. What is one thing on your real-life bucket list that you'd like to check off? Hmm.

1:09:43do you have one damn okay i've been skydiving i went to fiji oh my god uh a real life bucket list though what are you not scared of those you're not scared of much huh you just go for it i'm just like but what is the you don't have a bucket list item nothing it has to be well i definitely want to go to i definitely want to go to china and like there's so many different spots that i would to experience. Yeah, yeah. But do. But do. I mean, even career-wise, I'm sure there's things you want to do. You know what? The Super Bowl as an independent artist. Oh! And why not? You know what? Kendrick, meet me on side stage.

1:10:24Yeah, we'll do that. Yeah, let's do that. Super Bowl as an independent artist. As an independent artist. have you ever been tempted to not be an independent artist

1:10:43not necessarily tempting because there hasn't been anything that has presented itself that was fair for everyone involved and i'm and and just to reiterate anytime that i mention that i'm independent it's not to say oh i don't need no help i can i you know no it's just look at how far we've gone using what little bit of resources that we've had you know so that's that's why i but i'm i'm listen i'm open to help as long as it's fair for everybody involved what about legacy like what do you want that to be i would hope first and foremost that i i inspire people to be kind to themselves you know give yourselves grace um And to really take inventory on the people that are in your life.

1:11:28A lot of times we hold on to things because we've known people so long. And just because you've had history with somebody doesn't mean you have a future. So it's important that we are putting in our best. And sometimes our best varies, you know, but give yourself grace. I would also love to leave behind just a plethora of ways that you can be creative and and push the limits and step outside of the box. You don't have to say this is what I am. You know, I can say what I prefer or what what is nice, but I don't want to be just married to one thing. You know, life and all these things are meant to be lived and experienced.

1:12:10So live and experience the life. That leads me right to my last question. If God were to text you right now, he sent you a text, what would it say? Ooh. You're welcome. And not for nothing, God is a black woman. So I'm, I, yes, you're, you're welcome. Because I was, I was given life. And I've been nurtured and covered by God. by black women all of my life. And, yeah, they have my, I'm forever dead. You know, so that has been, yeah, that's what it'll be. You are welcome. Thank you for being here. She was saying that. She did. She is. Okay, because she the next Monifa. It's been too long since you've been gone.

1:13:15Feels good when I'm with you I miss you And she says you're welcome for that voice too Okay, okay We're talking to Duran in real life This is Duran Bernard In real life Hey guys, thanks for watching Make sure you subscribe, like, comment And check out all of the other episodes we have On Angie Martinez's IRL podcast

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