Angie Martinez IRL - Eric Benet: How Stevie Wonder Made Him Think Twice Before Posting

28:54You know, I think when, if there's negative energy coming at you, and if there is, I shouldn't say negative energy, I should say less than positive views of you. For things that you've taken accountability for and you've done and you've tried to improve yourself and your psyche and your mental from things that you've realized that you've done. First of all, you can't expect the world or anybody else to immediately forgive you. Or forget. Or forget, because then they'll try to define you by mistakes. And then you can't allow what they are thinking of you affect how you feel about you. Because there's the internal journey that you're on, nobody else knows but you.

29:56So I think going through that process, it actually makes you a better person and kind of facilitates growth faster. I think, or at least that's the way I feel about life's challenges. Did you ever get lost in that though? Did it ever define you? I think in so many ways, if you look at my comments to a lot of people, I feel like going through the biggest fuck up, I felt, yeah, for a while I felt defined by it until I started to redefine what it was to take accountability. Because accountability isn't just saying, I fucked up, I did this. Accountability is saying, I fucked up, I did this. let me try not to think of the reasons or the something that could be misinterpreted by by other people or even myself as excuses but let me just try to take full accountability for the mistakes that I made regardless of the reasons why I did them and then let me try to learn from those mistakes you know what I mean I do but but until I get to that until that process is finished yeah it's there's a lot of beating yourself up and feeling like um I'm less than I'm worthy in the storm of that how old were you Jesus were you in like your 20s no you were 30s 40s no that wasn't I was like in 30s 30s.

31:48Okay. Like, like, like early 30s. Like, like, I'm just saying, was it early 30s? Probably. But a young man, a young successful man who was an artist was in his 30s, who was involved in any kind of cheating scandal, whatever you call whatever the thing is. It's not the craziest or most uncommon thing. It's not like this. It's not like you robbed the bank or if you violated or was violent, it was nothing like that. I mean, you had some... But things are often always... I'm just saying, it was a lot to put on you for just a time in your life where some maybe human error, maybe not error, maybe that had to happen for you to get to wherever you are now or to get into another marriage that you probably did better and healed yourself.

32:44and I don't know I'm just saying do you feel like a lot was put on you for the crime no dead like seriously like there's a way I can answer that question and it's like if I answer okay I don't want to get you back in trouble or something that's yeah no no no no at the time like I said I felt I felt like all of the what's the word I'm looking for? Admonishment I'm receiving for my actions. I felt like I deserve them. Really? And in retrospect, looking back, I'm feeling like, wow, that was a lot. But if that hadn't happened, I probably wouldn't have been able to evolve to where I'm at today. And I don't know if I would be the personality that I feel inside and that is reflected when people see me online.

33:45So it's like, you know, it's just no poetic way of saying there is no excellence without difficulty. There's no growth without struggle and fucking up and falling on your face sometimes in front of the whole fucking world, which I don't, I don't really think anybody will ever understand what that's like. I mean, you've lived a very public life and sometimes some of the - Yeah, but not that. That's why I'm curious about it. Because even in the smaller scale that I have experienced things where maybe people didn't like something I said or something was misunderstood, even in those moments, I have to get quiet and make sure that I'm okay with myself so that I don't fall victim to other people's understanding of whatever the thing is.

34:34Even in my small situations, and I've been pretty good in my career, thank God. But I'm just saying at that level, I just wondered, man, he rocked through that. Because in that moment, you felt like if you misunderstood and you communicated inappropriately, then it would bring another rush of... What are you saying? No, I think in that moment, if I wasn't strong in my own spirit, in my own thoughts, I could start believing or start acting differently, trying to either prove something to somebody or self-doubt sets in. All the shit, all the stuff that comes from outside opinions. And I say, I share this kind of stuff because I think even in people's real lives, at the job, everybody in the job thinks you're something.

35:20I think that thing we're talking about, you had it on a very big scale. On a cataclysmic scale. Yes. That might feel like that to somebody else who maybe everybody at the job knows. How about the guy who was at the Coldplay concert with the girl from the job? Oh, right. Did you see that? Could you imagine like you had no, you went from zero to 120. Yeah. You had your own little private bubble of life and then whoosh. I'm just saying that guy or even that girl, everybody's attention on you is sometimes, I don't know, just gets in your own way. And I think people have to navigate that on their own levels or whatever levels.

36:02And I just think somebody who had to deal with it in such a grand way, like understanding how you manage that is interesting to me. More so than the details of all of the things, but that you navigated that and learned from it. That's what life is. it's like whatever is thrown your way, it's like you have two opportunities. No, you really have three opportunities. There's always drugs. How's that end? Bad. Okay. Wait, you didn't go that route? No. What was the route for healing for you? Accountability, time, trying to trying to make amends as much as I possibly possibly could but with yourself with myself with her with my family with everybody who everybody who was around me who I felt like I just let down and with myself and then going through that process then there's time you know then there's then there's just quite and remember at that time it was like i was a single dad to my daughter and then it was like okay it was that situation where i gotta you know hey you fucked up let's get it together because look who's waking up every morning and smiling and laughing and looking for breakfast so whenever i'm in her face i can't be like, oh damn, I fucked my life up, shit.

37:40I still got to be happy daddy. And so that was an incredible, not just catalyst, but the whole nucleus of get your shit together, nigga. Yes, you fell down, so what, blah, blah. Get up. Get up. Get up. You fucked up. You know, look at that face. You know, that's not a very easy thing for, and I don't want to just put this on men, because I do know a lot of women who struggle with this also, but accountability and apologizing is not always easy for people. Was that easy for you before in life or did you have to learn how to do that? Well, you were forced to. No, I think... Well, you had a lot of siblings, so sometimes that helps.

38:31Yeah, I got a lot of siblings. I'm the baby of those siblings, so that may have had something to do with me fucking up in the first place. What is that, attention? You like the attention? Yeah, absolutely. And I think apologizing for me when I know I'm wrong. I don't think that was my struggle. yeah i think like acting like everything was cool when it wasn't i'm i have historically been good with that until the card house comes falling down and then i'm like holy fuck i'm not okay i'm not okay and i fucked up and then once that happens apologies is very natural accountability

39:29is the next. Like I said, other than drugs and alcohol, you have to face reality. And yeah, the reality is like you built this. What's on the other side of that? Like what's the next phase? Oh my God, what's on the other side is a bit more fearlessness for doing good stuff. you know never a fear of like i don't know slipping back into old habits or old no you know no but you know what it did was before all that happened i think i had a fear of failure it's almost like it was an inoculation to a fear of failure you know because um i was just It was a readiness to try new things and a confidence to meet people.

40:34I met my wife. How old were you when you met your wife? 30s? 30s, right? By that time, I think I was 40 maybe. Maybe, maybe. Yeah. So - And a new evolution of you. A new evolution, had kids. We have Luna and Lucia who are 14 and 11 now, and they are brilliant. And India is just a brilliant woman now. And yeah, so I think there's always strength in the world. after you do the work. Yeah. That must have been really joyful for you to find love after going through all of that, going through publicly, being down, having to get up, raising your daughter, and then actually finding love and being healed.

41:39It's beautiful. You know what I'm saying? It's beautiful. Because it's probably a different experience. Because if you go into a marriage or a relationship unhealed from the beginning, It can't feel as good as going into a relationship healed. Very true. And one of the most incredible things about this time around is, so with my oldest daughter, India, I didn't have a partner. I had my family helping me out. Now I have a partner who is, you know, who these two little incredible humans are the most important things in her life as well. You get to share that lived experience. Yeah, it's wonderful.

42:25And, you know, it's just a joyous experience. Are you a good husband? I try to be. Come on, you know if you are or not. Yeah. Yeah. And I think there's, especially in this business, I think when you are traveling as much as you are, when you are away from, you want to be there for everything and you're not. And sometimes your kids don't understand. And she, my wife, Manuela, is incredible. She's one of those like attentive to every detail person. And I'm kind of like the opposite. it. So I think being a good husband is, you know, a big part of that too. And, you know, I think I can always do better when it comes to that.

43:14So. But overall? Overall, I think, I think so. Yeah. I think so. I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to say an emphatic yes. What have you learned about that? Like, what is the lesson? Like, what have you learned? Like, what does it take to be a good husband? probably uh going through the challenges of not being a good right and i think um that's always the case it's like who was i talking to i was talking to a buddy of mine about I remember a buddy of mine said, he was introducing me to his friend. And he said, hey, his friend was about to get married. And my buddy said, hey, let me introduce you to my buddy, Eric Benet.

44:10Ask him all the questions, you know, about marriage and this, that and the other. And this was before, this was shortly after, shortly after. my first marriage ended. And he wanted you to give him advice? Exactly. And his friend, after his friend looked at him, he said, hey, no offense, but I mean, I just heard about what happened. And it's like, bro, I don't know if I want advice from you. And my friend looked at him and he said, dude, if you're on a motorcycle and you're riding a Mulholland drive, who better to ask for advice on how to maneuver that shit than the motherfucker who just ran off the edge?

44:47So I think I think there's a bit of... In that spirit, and I've heard you respond to this before, but in that spirit, can you laugh at or somewhat appreciate the never go Eric Benet line? Or is that... I mean, if you're saying the same thing, Eric, it's kind of the same thing. You're saying the same thing. What's funny about that is there was this perception or, and there was even some reporting That you were upset about it? Not just upset, but apoplectic, like screaming about it. Oh, I didn't see that. Yeah, that's the other thing. Sometimes we see shit, like I see shit and if I see it, I think everybody sees it.

45:30It was just a good... Yeah, you were spazzing. You hate Jay-Z. Like, I was like, yo, Jay-Z mentioned me. Did you really? Are you that far removed from that guy? Yes. Yeah. It was like, I mean, me and my team, we got together. It was like, this shit crazy. So yeah, there was no animosity about that. That shit was quite funny. And then I thought I was being cute with the response on back then Twitter and it kind of backfired. What was your response? I don't remember. It was something. Something that wasn't funny. Something funny that I thought was funny. Oh, like I thought I was living my life. Yeah, like you said something.

46:13I thought was funny and it was like, I was looking at the comments. I was like, oh, I should have shut the fuck up.

46:20But you weren't somewhere sitting somewhere angry. I was in, it was funny. I was in Cuba. Oh, wow. I was in Cuba and there were these articles talking about how I was so angry and I was so... The Spanish? No, no. We were looking at back home stuff. Yeah, back home. And they're like, how Eric Benet is definitely upset about what happened. And we were like chilling in Havana with cigars and shit, having a good time, laughing about the whole thing. And it's just funny how the media will take something. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Now at McDonald's, get a$5 McChicken meal deal or a$6 McDouble meal deal.

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50:24You know, none of those things, those ups and downs and those moments have stopped you from kind of just continuing to, I don't know, adjust the channel. You have to. Yeah. You have to. It's like, yeah, that's part of it, man. You just got to like, because whatever is happening, there's like a perception of what actually happened. and 90 times out of 100, the reality is something completely different. And so you can't react to people reacting to something that they think is... Yeah, I get it. You feel me? But now you're in this space where you've created a whole social media personality that you have that we didn't know, that you had internally, but you never showed us on the outside.

51:14So everybody thinks there's like a new... Yeah, they think this is a new me. You can ask Allison. and Allison is the one right over there who gave me my first record deal. She signed me to Warner Brothers. The whole time you've been working together? When I got that deal at EMI, she gave it to me. Also, all the ups and downs we're talking about, she was riding on... She was right there. Passenger seat? Yeah. She's known that I've basically... Helping you navigate probably. I'll run into somebody like Fuzzy and he'll be like, yo, Eric, this the same nigga. He's the same. This is Eric, finally. That's funny.

51:47Was it a surprise to you how people have responded to you on socials? Surprising? No.

51:56I would say it wasn't surprising as it was, it just felt affirming, you know? Yeah. I felt like, wow, yeah, I guess this has been me the whole time. It feels really good for people to just like me, without me trying to put on some kind of blue steel face. Yeah, that's good. Is that a weird reference, Blue Steel? No, it's, no. You know, fully aging yourself. Okay, because now I'm at the - Laverne and Shirley is way more - Laverne and Shirley is an old reference. Old reference than that. I'm at the age now where I feel if I make a lot of my references, I'll be like - Does anybody understand? Remember when you were always the youngest person in the room and now that shit don't happen no more and you just make a reference and the whole room is like, what is he talking about?

52:44I've been there. Blue Steel, Zoolander for those - Yeah, go Google it. Yeah, Google it. Or chat it. Mm-hmm. Chat it. So what are you going to do with this newfound kind of, I don't know. Rock a new single. Yeah, well, there's that. Keep the music going. Yeah. Last year we had a music project that did really well on Allison and my label JBR. We had two number one singles. Yes. Excuse me. I'm burping from La Croix. We had - We're gonna get a sponsorship now, thank you. La Croix with Eric Benet. We had incredible female artists on this project, like artists who - Like 14, right? And that shit was crazy.

53:33I don't know how we pull that shit off. That's a lot. Because - Can you name them all quickly? If I do, I'll miss somebody, but we talking about Lettucey, we talking about Jordan Sparks, We talking about Shantae Moore, Tamar Braxton, Corrine Bailey Ray. We talking about India, India, I read. We talking about. Yeah, pipes, go ahead. We are, who else? Ari Lennox, come on Eric, what the fuck? See, no, see I'm gonna forget people. All right, fine. Don't go through the whole list. But there's a lot of women. But two number one singles, a project that we're really proud of at JBR. Mm-hmm. And. Who's thinking, who's brain baby is this?

54:12let's go get all the women this woman over here oh got it who was like because i uh you started your career as the essence uh sexiest man one of the essence sexiest man's alive you might as well return to you said that ain't you i didn't say that return to your roots well i'm always returning to music and we had a new record label so So it was time, and I hadn't had something new out in eight years. And I decided to, Allison was like, nigga, you need to get your ass back in the studio and do an album, but we need to make it special. Let's look at some of your biggest successes have been duets.

54:58So let's make a whole, you know, spend my life and Georgia Porgy. So we did a whole album that way. And I'm extremely proud of it. now we have a new single for a solo project that i need to get back to la and put some finishing energy on a lot of finishing energy on and no cat no features just you no features so far um and it's the first single i feel really good about because it's really an extension of a lot of my political animus on social media, like telling people, yo, let's, we're, we're stronger together. Please stop being silent. Like, please speak out against the division, the subjugation, the trying to rewrite history and erase our rights.

56:02You know, we got to fight against that. So the single, Who's Gonna Save Us, is all about that. It's so good. Yeah. So good. Thank you. Got in the studio with my man, DJ Camper, Feli, The Voice, incredible songwriters and producers. And we came up with this joint. I love that. Who is going to save us? We are. We are. Only we can. Can we? How do we do it? What's the first step? Well, we've done it multiple times in history. And the crazy part about it is how... The powers that be, they keep using the same fucking formula and it keeps working. The divide and conquer, let's get them to fight against each other and then we can rob them and we can take away even more of their rights.

56:52So then they'll start fighting even more and we'll get even richer and now we can be trillionaires and they'll think we're superpowers. I even see it with what they're doing. I don't know, sometimes I see people going at each other and I wonder where the roots of this. And a lot of times when you track some of that, I wonder if that's even real. Like, I feel like there's just so many bots and AI systems that are literally set up to your point, to divide and conquer. You're 100 % right. Yeah, it's so scary. And it's so wild to watch how people play right into it so easy. What's especially frustrating to me is Two things are going to be needed, which it seems lately we haven't been tapping into.

57:44The realization that how powerful we are as individuals and to be at least marginally educated. That doesn't mean you got to have a PhD or even graduate from college, but you got to read. You got to read history, the history that they're trying to erase. You have to fill your brain with knowledge and it's disappointing sometimes. Oh man, I'm going to, again, I'm going to sound like the old curmudgeon old man right now. It's all right. You got good skin. You can get away with it. But I don't know if you're experiencing this. Tell me. But sometimes if you talk to 19, 20, 21 year olds, it's like there's certain, sometimes, and unfortunately for me, it's more than not.

58:37You know, I work with a lot of young people in the music industry and like basic general knowledge stuff. It's like they're clueless about. They don't even teach kids how to write in script. Bruh! Yeah. They don't even teach that. And it's, it's... Sometimes I have younger family members or somebody young and I'm like, should I write this in script or should I write, are they going to be able to read this? Is this three syllable word? I mean, that's just a simple little thing, let alone the important things. Yeah. Scary. And that's, we're going to need those two things if we are going to save ourselves.

59:11You got to empower your brain and empower yourself. And there's so many other things attached to that, like taking care of your body. Yeah, what does the Eric Benet self-care regimen look like? Because you would have to take care of yourself to be as immersed, especially in this political climate and all that, and everything that's happening in the world, because you immerse yourself. Some of us do a dance as much as we can and just try to balance a normal life. Yeah, I understand that. You don't, your blinders are never on. Yeah. I put blinders on sometimes, not for long periods. For your own sanity sometimes.

59:45Just for my, just long enough to have my sanity, then I'll go back and pay attention and do my work and research and you know but i do sometimes have to find ways to put blinders on but there are people like even people who do ground like my friend tamika mallory or people who are never without blinders i think oh that's that's hard like you have to find a way to who and i feel like you probably have your own ways exercising whatever ways to put blinders on even for a little bit of time but you seem like you're in it pretty much all the time yeah i've some My friends are like, dude, why are you watching news so much?

1:00:22It's just bringing you down. And it does, but it does bring me down, but it also, it just kind of like, it makes me vocal. It makes me vocal. You gotta be aware of this stuff. It's like, I'm forever, I think it'll be 100, 200 years from now. And if we are still alive as a civilization, they will be studying as to how was it possible that somebody who has so repeatedly failed in their life and has had such a void of any moral compass or character or ethics or care or concern for history or anything other than his own self-aggrandizement. How did he become president? And it's like the formula, the formula, the, I don't know.

1:01:25Distract, divide, and we got it. And I think the, again, I'll say it again, the only effective anecdote for that is education and self-empowerment. Mm hmm. What about self-care for you? Like, so what do you do? How do you take care of yourself? How do you keep your mental? You got to drink your water. Mm hmm. And I cut out alcohol. Really? None? Zero? I would say once every couple of months, I'll have a glass of wine. OK. You got to cut out as much sugar as you possibly can. look if it's if i'm down south and it's some peach cobbler right there and i know i haven't had dessert in like a month i'm gonna fuck that peach cobbler up right but i mean for the most part i think i have to really uh monitor and manage sugar intake processed foods i try to maintain a relatively pescatarian diet.

1:02:30Sardines are good. Blueberries. I try to cut out dairy. I work out four times a week. What kind of workout? Not heavy. Like weights, like weight training? A lot of calisthenic stuff, some weight stuff. I'll try to do like 100 push-ups a night and then I'll do my workout in the morning. So this doesn't just happen at 60, right? This is not how you look at 60. This is just not genetics at 60. I mean, not for me. Not for me. You work hard to stay fit. Yeah, because it's just a matter of your natural bodily functions that if you don't do it, then your muscles will, year by year, you'll lose more and more percentage of your muscles and your bone density if you're not counteracting it with diet and exercise and grounding, grounding, stay connected to the earth.

1:03:32How do you do that? Take your shoes off and just... You're still barefoot Eric Bannet. See, I told you some truth to that shit. There is truth. I might say a couple of swear words if I stub my toe, but I mean, yeah, no, but I mean, And there's undeniable scientific evidence that if you have skin to skin contact with the soil, the earth, the sand, it lowers the inflammation in your body and it promotes a general well-being. And where do you go outside? At home, I guess, right? In the backyard. If you're having your coffee in the morning, take your... Well, I get in L.A. You can do it year round.

1:04:13I take my shoes off and I drink my coffee outside in the backyard. Barefoot. Barefoot. Yeah. You know, it's so funny, I started golfing a few years ago and I went to golf maybe a year ago with someone and he was barefoot the whole time. And I was kind of like making fun of him. Did he tell you why? He just said, there's only a few places in the world that you can do it. So he chose to do it. I think we were in the Bahamas and he was golfing barefoot. We were just joking. We were like teasing. It was funny, but I really thought, I kind of want to try that. I think there might be something to that.

1:04:47You should. Now you're making me really want to try it. There really is like peer reviewed scientific evidence to back it up. All right. Sold. We have some features that we have to do with you while you're here, Eric. Uh-oh. What I got to do? I got to dance? Yes. You're going to dance. You're going to sing.

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1:06:31Thank you. That's a very specific question in his life. very very specific in this i i there's a couple issues about the question your 13 year old daughter she shouldn't be dating at all she should hell no when did they start to date i don't think he said she was i think he said he has a fear of that this would happen okay then good here's the question uh you ain't got to worry about till she's 16. and then what and then if she brings home a guy who cheats on her. Yeah. Or is a bad guy. Then you have until one, two, she's 16 years old to be the representation of the kind of guy you want her to bring home.

1:07:17And one or two bad ones might slip through because that is definitely not a fail safe plan there. And when that happens, you have until one, until 16 years old to have the kind of relationship with your daughter where she's going to come to you and talk to you about what she's going through. You are not going to be able to control a 16 year old daughter. She's going to have, first of all, she's female. So she's going to have all kind of ways to make you think she's doing what you asked her to do, but she ain't really going to be doing it. So you, as much as you would like to be the absolute control of that situation, he's not going to be.

1:07:59So he's got he's got time to arm her with love. Now at McDonald's, get a five dollar McChicken meal deal or a six dollar McDouble meal deal. They come with small fries, a soft drink and four piece McNuggets. We're going to need a bigger tray. Get more value with your meal deal with McValue. Prices and participation may vary. Prices may be higher for delivery. Hey, Portlandia fans. Carrie Brownstein and Fred Armisen here. You know us, or rather, you know them. Tony and Candice, Nina and Lance, Spike, and yes, the chicken. We've played a lot of iconic characters over the years, but today we're showing up as ourselves to tell you about Podlandia, AO Rewatch, our brand new podcast.

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1:09:49Whoa, that escalated quickly, but okay. Because I have questions. We have questions. And I bet everyone has questions. Like, is it normal to sleep in separate bedrooms? We do that. How about this one? Is bribing your kids bad parenting or just negotiating? Oh, and I still do need to know, why was my poop green that one time? Hypothetically, right? Okay, well, instead of letting the internet guess, we've got actual people answering these exact questions. And laughing with us has got to be better than spending three hours down a rabbit hole online. Listen to Bill and Juliana. The podcast. On the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcasts.

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1:11:35do you have that relationship with your kids i'd imagine yeah and i'm i'm i'm trying to you know we got a couple more years to go with lucia i've got four five more years with luna and i i'm trying to every day have a better relationship in that regard with my daughters most important thing most important people in my life your oldest is how old now 34 30 she's yeah yeah She's in a beautiful relationship. Thank God. Isn't that a fear? I'm not worried about her. All right. Okay, this is fun. I feel like you're a good dad. Are you a good dad?

1:12:18Again, I think so, but I'm trying. Because if I tell you, yes, I'm a good dad, I feel like I could do better. How?

1:12:32I think, well, when I look at my wife and how incredibly attentive and like, she is with them in every aspect of their life. And I'm like, how do you keep track of all of that stuff? And then I'm trying to keep the income coming into the situation. And it's like, so I feel like I'm a good dad who's always trying to find ways to be a better dad. It's probably taught you a lot, right? About life. Woo! Shando. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, it's a poetic justice from God. It's like, all daughters for you, bro. Yeah, but they also say they give you the kids. They say God gives you the kids that you need. to become who you're supposed to be.

1:13:29Yeah, I love that. You know what I'm saying? I 100 % agree with that. I feel like that too. My kids, oof. They get you there. Cause you're trying to be the best version of yourself. So they're forcing you to be a better version of yourself simply by just existing. And simply by them being existing, by them existing, you are having to underscore lessons that you've learned and things like as you're teaching them things you're like yeah I think I needed to hear that too. Has anybody ever given you good parenting advice? The best parenting advice is try to share as share as much of your life with your children as age appropriately as you can during their journey of growing up so that it's very natural for them once they get to that 16 it'll be like that guess what happened you know it won't feel like such a weird thing for them do you do that with your kids you do i try to you try to yeah i agree i agree good good good um good advice childhood okay we're gonna do some irl questions we have an irl bowl let me just go through this real quick you okay over there i think you were wonderful today you think so do you not feel like that tell me tell me now no i'll give you a different line of questioning i feel like i was cool i think so i wasn't an asshole enough why would you be an asshole have you are you an asshole sometimes i don't think so what would make you like what would happen in your day that we would make hmm it's funny because when i ask people questions i said i go through this thing in my mind where i want to can i answer that so i was going to ask you what do you really sometimes yes especially if it's a question like that that I just think on the spot.

1:15:14It's almost like I try to be like, is that a fair question to ask? Could you answer that in your own thing? Yeah, they've all been fair questions. So if I say to you, what would make you be an asshole in your day? Then I'm saying to myself, what would make me? And I was a little bit of an asshole yesterday. I think what would make me - And I remembered that. First, why were you an asshole yesterday? I was really overwhelmed with life yesterday. Just personal shit, work shit, I had it too much on my plate, hadn't had five minutes to just - That'll make anybody an asshole. And that was going to be my answer.

1:15:48Well, that was what it was. It still shouldn't be an asshole because it's not anybody else's fault. Asshole maybe is an extreme word. An individual of low patience. Extreme. Yeah. Extremely low patience. High level. That's about as close as I'll get to an asshole. If it's like, I've just, there've been a couple let downs in the day, something didn't go the right way. I didn't eat. I forgot to do some shit, which I'm always forgetting to do shit. What level of assholery are we talking about though? Probably like, can we wrap it up? Cause I gotta go. Oh my God, that's pretty bad. Yeah. That's not, I mean, that's not the worst.

1:16:29I mean, it's not like, I definitely - Fuck this shit, man, I'm outta here. It's not like, what did Trump do? He just like, all you gotta do to Trump is like ask him an actual question. and he's out of here. That's a rude question. That's why you're a despicable person. That's an asshole. Well, he's an asshole from the gate, out the gate. He's not like us. From a long line of assholes. A long line of assholes. In all of this commentary you've been making, have you heard from anyone? Have you gotten any of those weird calls? I didn't get weird calls, but I did get a call from Stevie Wonder. Oh, can you share?

1:17:08I can only share because he said I could. Okay. Have you shared this before? No. I'm so excited. First of all, Stevie Wonder is one of our greatest natural treasures. Stevie Wonder is the most, I mean, I don't even got to say shit. He's the most beautiful, talented, iconic, you know, you don't got it. But to know him. He is a national treasure. And here's the other thing that I've discovered in my career. People like that, people who just seem as though their talent exceeds human expectation, Stevie Wonder, Quincy Jones, Prince. When you meet these people, in my experience, they always seem to be the most attentive and they make you feel like when they're talking to you, you're the only person in the world.

1:18:05And it's just like, really? Okay, I want to know how you think. Well, tell me about this. What is that? What is that? Yeah, what is that that they do? Why do you think they do that? I think it's just, they are so successful because in any given moment, they are so present. And it's not just that. I think it's love. I think they have so much, you can't be a conduit for that much creativity and power if there's just not a whole lot of love in your being. Now you may have your own personal - Challenges? Challenges. Yes. But it's all packaged in love and trying to become a better person. God wouldn't give you a gift that strong.

1:18:56Exactly. If there was no love in there, yeah. So Stevie, I've been blessed in my life to say that he is somebody who I can call and talk to, which I still pinch myself with that realization. But he's just a being of love. He called me. Well, actually, my wife told me, Stevie's going to call you about four o 'clock. I'm like, oh, shit, what'd I do? Wait, has Stevie ever called? Have you ever gotten that call from Stevie before? No, I've never gotten this call from Stevie. Or no, just like if you've done something, let's see like call you with the check. Okay. No, but there was something about tone.

1:19:38Oh, got it. You know your wife's tone. Right.

1:19:44So actually I was supposed to call him. So I called him and basically where he was coming from was he seen some of the posts and his sentiment was like, Eric, look, My young brother, I know that we're all angry and disheartened, but I fear that he was basically saying, you're coming on a little hard and I'm worried about how crazy some of these motherfuckers are out there. Not his words, mine. Yeah, you're paraphrasing. Yeah. He was like,

1:20:21those who are on the side of that negativity, they are crazy motherfuckers. And why don't you put all of that anger into music? So he was coming to me as like the older uncle brother, like, I don't want you to get out there and somebody do some stupid shit to you because of something you said. and then and then and then two days later i went into the studio and wrote die pedo so where is that song where is that it's a song i never officially released but i was just in the studio one day angry and thinking about what stevie said put it in music huh all right i'm gonna write die pedo and um maybe i'll throw it on the album i don't know look they're sending I know they might very well for you already very well maybe them but I mean I was I was so grateful for the call and I think I really I really took it to heart and and I won't say that it made me change what I say but maybe I think about how I say it sometime.

1:21:31That makes sense because when you think of Stevie you know he's the loves in need of love today. But not only that, so many generations of this same movement he's seen and he's seen some of the soldiers get taken out. Not that, please, I'm not saying I'm a soldier and I don't think he would. Well, I guess in some ways I am. He wasn't, I don't know, maybe he was, I don't know. But I'm grateful for the conversation. Did it shift anything in you or no? Because you haven't really slowed up that much. I haven't slowed up, but that thought is conscious in my head every time. I'd be like, okay, curb your rage, curb your rage.

1:22:14So I'll be thinking about, oh, so long. I'll be thinking about Stevie now when I post. Stevie, he's a bucket list guest for me on the pod. He is a beautiful God-like soul because he's all about, I care for you. I care for this world. I want we, he is the message of who's going to save us. It's like we all need to collectively join our positive energy if we're ever going to overcome the negative forces of this world. And his message is do it without the rage, but do it from a place of love. That's Stevie. Beautiful. But I'm a ma... Oh, shit. I got too much James Baldwin in me, though. You're more Malcolm than...

1:23:05I think so. ...than Martin? Yeah, I'd be like, fuck them motherfuckers, man. Have you ever made a call like that to put somebody on to something or to like... Do you ever make those calls? Because I'm sure there's people that look to you. You the OG to some of these singers, R &B artists? I try to encourage... I try to encourage people to just speak because what I'm hearing often is people will come up to me and they will just say, man, I so appreciate what you're doing. And my response is like, thank you. Thank you. Please, I invite you to voice. Join me. Join me. Yeah. And, yeah, I laughed when you asked me the question because I thought about the time I met Dick Gregory, which did not go well.

1:24:00Why? What happened? Give it to me. Tell me the Dick Gregory story. The gig was, I was in DC and it was Obama's inauguration and just wanted to be there for this historic event. And then after the inauguration, there's all kind of little pockets of things happening. And I was at some place, I don't remember where I was, but somebody said, Hey, Dick Gregory's back there and there's about 30 people back there. And I was like, Oh shit. Excuse me. I want to go meet Dick Gregory. And when I walked back, I quietly stood at the back of the room and he was commanding the people as Dick Gregory does. And he was just saying how he was talking about his regimen of health.

1:24:53And he was basically saying, I don't eat shit. This is all, I drink water because food is toxic. I don't eat nothing. I don't never eat. and and people are like wow and i and and when there was a break have you ever met dick gregory no never and when there was a break in the conversation i was like oh mr gregory i just want to say it's so nice to meet you but i mean there must be something that you eat big mistake Big mistake. It was like a pause. He looked at me. This nigga trying to tell me what I said. I was like, Oh my God. Nigga, I said I don't eat these young niggas don't listen to nigga.

1:25:43Oh, he called you young though. He called you the young. I look pretty young, I guess. When was Obama? That was, oh Jesus. Yeah, exactly. 12 years ago. I just threw a number out. I'm bad with that. So I was like, dang. And that's how it ended? He didn't laugh and say it's okay? No, that was no laugh. That's Dick Gregory. Oh yes. No laughter. I said I don't eat shit, nigga. So how does that end? Okay, good speech. That ended. Do you ever see the meme of Homer in the bush? Back to the bushes? Yeah, that was it. Back to the bushes. Yeah, I think I actually said, boom, and just like faded into the - It's really funny.

1:26:25It wasn't at the time. No, I bet. I really, I bet it wasn't. Now with McDonald's, wake up to a$4 breakfast meal deal. Wake up to a sausage McMuffin or sausage biscuit to hash browns and wake up to a hot coffee. Get your$4 breakfast meal deal. Limited time only. Prices and participation may vary. Prices may be higher for delivery. Hey, Portlandia fans. Carrie Brownstein and Fred Armisen here. You know us, or rather, you know them. Tony and Candace, Nina and Lance, Spike, and yes, the chicken. We've played a lot of iconic characters over the years, but today we're showing up as ourselves to tell you about Podlandia, AO Rewatch, our brand new podcast.

1:27:02Each week, we'll revisit an episode of Portlandia from the very beginning, breaking down the sketches, exploring the backstories of our most iconic characters, revisiting the Portland locations you know and love, and opening up about our creative process. How did any of this get made? Why do we think that was a good idea? We're ready to talk about it. And we'll also be joined by the people who helped bring it all to life. Guest stars, collaborators, and friends, including director Jonathan Kreisel, the mayor himself, Kyle McLaughlin, legendary musician Amy Mann, and many more. Kyle is going for it here.

1:27:35You fully improvised, not just words, but a song, a melody. Well, I thought he was going to write, I thought you were all going to write a song. I remember you thinking that. Listen to Podlandia A-O Rewatch on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Bill, why is my eye twitching? Does this mean I'm in perimenopause? Maybe I have adult ADHD. I need to look this up. Where's my phone? Juliana, your phone is hot to the touch. I think it's asking you for a break. You know what? Maybe I should just ask ChatGPT. Or maybe we can ask an actual human. Yes, like a couple sex therapist.

1:28:12Whoa, that escalated quickly, but okay. Because I have questions. We have questions. And I bet everyone has questions. Like, is it normal to sleep in separate bedrooms? We do that. How about this one? Is bribing your kids bad parenting or just negotiating? Oh, and I still do need to know, why was my poop green that one time? Hypothetically, right? Okay, well, instead of letting the internet guess, we've got actual people answering these exact questions. And laughing with us has got to be better than spending three hours down a rabbit hole online. Listen to Bill and Juliana. The podcast. On the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcasts.

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1:29:28And he hugged him. And he hugged him, and Joe just went with it. And the guy goes, what are you doing here, coach? And Joe just goes, man. And you walk in, and it is bananas. I mean, it's a feast for the eyes. And I was like, it's not my thing either, but we're here. When in Rome. Top athletes, chefs, musicians, everybody. Listen to Paul's Best Podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

1:29:57All right, IRL Bowl. Oh, shit. The IRL Bowl. There was a bowl. What is a habit that you are proud of? What is a habit that you are trying to break? Ah, in real life. Okay. Okay, give it to me. So the habit that I am most proud of is when I... When I make the decision, when I made the decision to take care of my health, I can be pretty, I can stick to that pretty with, you know, consistency. When was that? In varying degrees about five years ago. Oh, wow. You know, some things it's taken me the last couple of years to like just lock into like a workout, I cut out alcohol, I eat right. That's inspiring to me because that means I could go do that today.

1:30:47You absolutely can. Yeah, that's inspiring. You absolutely do. I do take care of myself in certain ways, but I could do a lot of things a lot better. So you make me feel like from now to five years from now, I could really make a significant difference. It would make such... Okay, you don't got to put this on camera, but do you drink? I do. Yeah. So I know it's difficult because... It is. Like a couple of years, like maybe three years ago, I would have to have like two shots of scotch before I get to stage. No, no, I'm not a drinker like that. I drink, I enjoy a cocktail. That means I have one or two.

1:31:23How often? Maybe twice a week. Yeah, see. Once or twice a week. Sometimes once, sometimes twice a week. I'm never gonna have three or four or anything like that or shots. I have one or two, but there's always sugar. You know, it's alcohol and the sugar together. Yeah, it's not good. It's not good. I enjoy a lychee martini. But I'm not telling nobody what to do. I'm just telling you what works for me. You just were telling me, give me the thing. you were just dropping the jewels on me. I gotta stop drinking. Tell me, give me, yell at me. Tell me what I need to do. Since in five years when I turned 60, I - So you look incredible.

1:31:58Well, thank you. I have some glam on. With alcohol, even two drinks a week, it will make your skin start to age sooner than you should be. But if you stop, you could reverse it. Alcohol attacks every system within your body, from how your brain synapses to your digestion, to your REM sleep, to your heart, to how youthful you look, to your energy level, everything. thing. Like if you cut out, like it is a neurotoxin. If you cut out alcohol, you'll find like once you stop that habit, you will notice like in a month. It's like, wow, I slept solid through the night, you know, in a month. I did. And it's like, wow, I, you know, I'm, I have more energy.

1:32:57So anyway, that's my spiel. Okay. I'm going to take it. All right. So does that mean no fun? No, no, no. Well, you need fun to have alcohol? No other substance. No, I can have fun. I meant no other fun substances. No, there's no micro dosing or there's no weed or there's no nothing. I don't smoke, no. So clean, completely clean and clean eating. Yeah. Yeah. And your body will thank you for it. Okay, we're gonna see. We're gonna try. We're gonna try. I'm gonna give it a month and see. Wait, shake my hand on that. No, I'm gonna give it a month. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna check in with you, young lady.

1:33:32Okay, fine. It's been on my spirit anyway. So the fact that you're telling me that right now, I'm gonna try it. Not to - Get all this.

1:33:43You're the spokesman. You're like a walking billboard. So, okay, I'm gonna try it. Done. What's a habit you're trying to break? As consistent I am and regimented I can be with the health stuff, I can be kind of an airhead with scheduling, you know, making sure that, though they probably back there laughing at me, doing side eyes at my people, because it's like, Eric is the worst. Eric is supposed to be on this fucking Zoom. Where are you? Oh, fuck, that's right. You know, so I'm a bit of a mess. You're trying to be better there. I'm trying to be better. I'm a bit of a mess. All right, I'm gonna run through a couple before we let you go.

1:34:20So if you wasn't drinking, you wouldn't be coughing. You think that's what it was? It was the mimosa that I had? Right. I had a mimosa this morning. See? Terrible. No, that's terrible. No, it's fine. I think I'm okay. We're about to wrap anyway. Let me just do this quick. In real life, when are you at your happiest?

1:34:40In real life, I'm at my happiest when I'm with my kids playing a game or watching them laugh or making them crack up laughing or something like that. In real life, when was the last time you cried? Could be sadness, could be gratitude, could be joy. The last time I cried, a week ago, my daughter Luna graduated from sixth grade and she gave a speech and it wrecked me. What do you mean? It just wrecked me. See, if I even talk about it, I might start crying. Oh my God. What was it though? What did she say? She talked about how much, how afraid she was. She remembers being how afraid she was the first time she came to that school and the confidence that it instilled in her.

1:35:30And then she got to mama and daddy. Oh my God, you're gonna make me emotional. She said that, as I said, Manuela is just an incredibly attentive and supportive supportive in every detail she has. And she thanked her mother for just holding her life together. And then she thanked me for every, because I dropped them off to school in the morning. She said, daddy, every day you tell me that you love me and you tell me that my light never dim the light that's shining so bright. I was done. Like ugly cry? I was done. I was trying to hold it together. You know, it was like that. That was the last time I cried.

1:36:27That's a good cry. That's a good cry. We already did self-care. What's your real life guilty pleasure? my real life guilty pleasure is probably um watching uh karen's getting caught by the police on social media i would watch i'll watch that shit forever i love when the police just catch people like doing wrong shit and then they got an attitude i'd be like i'll look up and it'll be be like, damn, I've been watching this shit for an hour and a half. When you find such content, where is this? Is this anywhere? It's your algorithm? The algorithm knows you. It'd be like, oh, this nigga watched like 12 of these yesterday.

1:37:12I'm going to send them 30. And I just love watching Karens get handcuffs put on them. It's the best. That is really funny. What is your superpower? Your real life superpower? My superpower is that creatively, I think I can fucking do anything. Really? Yeah. I've never taken a music lesson. I wrote a short story that turned into a TV show. I'm writing a book right now. I just finished the manuscript. It's a mid-grade fantasy adventure.

1:37:49Then you'll do a memoir at some point? What did we title it? Lessons in the Headlines? The Lessons Behind the Headlines? We talked. That was good. Yeah, what was it? I'm like, because it rolled off so - Easy, yeah. The lessons and the headlines. I think that's what I was. Something like that. I'm gonna rewind the tape and go back and send it to you. Maybe, maybe at some point. A memoir? Yeah, you wouldn't do it. I wanna accomplish a little bit more shit. Okay, what's left on the bucket list for you? I want to write a series of novels. I'm working on launching another like film company with a friend I want to get that off the ground good shit by next week it'll probably be two more things you're just gonna keep going right how often do you think about your legacy never no I don't think about it because I mean to think about the legacy means to start thinking about alright it's all done And how will they remember me?

1:38:57It's like, I don't think about that shit. You don't? I got too much shit to do. Yeah, but do you think about, I don't know what you want people to learn from you? Or if like, even this conversation. I think about that. Yeah. I think about that. I hope that the good, bad, and the indifferent is not only like teaching me lessons, but But I hope I'm inadvertently teaching other people lessons too. And what are you most proud of? We talked about all the ups and downs. I don't mean just like our, well, I guess you said your kids. Yeah, it sounds like such a cliche answer, but everything else pales in comparison.

1:39:38When I see what they can do and I see like India, Lucia, and Luna, they are just so talented. They kind of have that me thing where it's like, okay, I think I'm going to start doing aerial dancing. Or I think I'm going to try out for this play and then they get the lead. That's because you created a world for them where they could think that way. Yeah. It's beautiful. Absolutely. But about you, that's really what the question was. What are you most proud of about yourself? um that i'm always willing to learn and grow and i'm always willing to admit when i'm wrong i guess and i smell good you smell good i smell good naturally and i look good remember that james brown thing my last question it's in the bowl it's my favorite question in the irl bowl you got a text right now.

1:40:42Yeah. And it was from God. God. God were to text you right now. Black God or Black God? Your God. Okay. Hey, Shondo. All right. Is that what you call him? Okay, let's call him Shondo. If God were to text you right now, what would it say? Woo! Never got that question before, Angie. Where'd you get that? I don't know. He came up with it in, I don't know, early in the pod. It just came up. I think it just says a lot about what you truly care about, you know, like what's truly really important to you today. If the text came today, like what would it say? I would think that God would tell me to.

1:41:30Shit. You stumped you? Think about it. You don't have to rush it. I was just thinking in true fashion of me making sure I can answer a question. I think my text today would probably, it would be to the effect that

1:41:47something about, my text today would be like, you did great because you trusted me. So just keep doing that. I think my idea of God is like somebody who, a being who is loving and encouraging as opposed to like First Testament type shit. You're not a religious guy. No. Spiritual? No, absolutely. I do believe in God. I believe in the power of love and positivity. And I think negativity is a very powerful evil force. I think that God would say something to me like, I love you. But he would probably say something that I would understand. Like, I love you, but even more. And I would know exactly what he meant.

1:42:47What does that mean? That means like all the positive, all the positivity I'm trying to grow from and speak on, like do it even more. Like all of the projects that you're working on that you think can help or uplift, put more into it. You know, all of the energy that you spend with your children, where you're nurturing them and teaching them to respect and love themselves and realize that they can do anything. Do that even more. I think it'd be something like that. Do more. Do more. That's so you. Think so? Yeah. You don't? How so? Look at your whole life. Look at your whole career. True. How can I be better?

1:43:35How can I do more? How can I do a new label? How can I do new songs? How can I do this? Because if he didn't say that I love you first, I would have been like, and just got the, just do more. I've been like, damn, I'm fucking up. Yeah. Yeah. But if he was like, I love you, just do a little bit more. Do you feel like you're not doing enough? Never. Well, there you have it. There it is. Well, there it is. Right. That's Eric Gwenea in real life. Right.

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