Angie Martinez IRL - Nikki & Brie Bella on WWE, Divorce, Reinvention & Who They Are Now

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2:38Thanks for watching, guys. Today's episode is brought to you by Boost Mobile. Most people spend their whole lives looking for somebody who truly knows them, who truly gets them. These two were born with that. They came up together, trained together, became two of the most recognized women in the history of professional wrestling, two-time Divas champions, WWE Hall of Famers, reality TV stars, entrepreneurs, mothers, and now they are back in the ring for what they say is the final time. It is the final time. The final run. Welcome Nikki and Brie Bella. Yeah, thank you. Hi, guys. Hi! Hello! Good to meet you.

3:19You too, thanks for having us. You know what, one of the reasons I'm so excited today, I've never had twins on the pod. Oh, really? You're about to get weirded out. No, we're honored. I'm so excited. No, I'm excited about that because I have questions. Because I think your life experience is so much different than somebody who can't, like, I don't know, just your experience is unique, something that twins probably only know, right? Oh, my goodness. Yes. I mean, even something as simple that people don't realize is we never experienced the first day of school alone. So we always had someone to walk in and those like scary moments as a child when you're going to walk into a birthday party and you're like, are my friends here or school or any of that?

4:01I always had her. Yeah. So I feel like at a young age, having those awkward, insecure moments, we really didn't have them as much because having each other gave us confidence. So just like those things molding us at a young age, I think different what we call singulars. Yeah. Non-twins. She calls singulars. I don't. I think it's actually a scientific word. We are the singulars. Yeah, you're the singulars. Oh, got it. I think so. But there has to be another side to that. There's complications that come with anything good, right? there's always another side for sure always being compared yeah always being compared and like being compared physically mentally like how we were in soccer like being compared on the soccer field um even in the wrestling ring anything we do it's like we get compared and it's interesting because it's like we're not clones we're twins i just wonder if it's sometimes has ever in your lives been a problem or something you had to work out yeah my husband would probably say yes i know he probably needs to work it out i think for brie and i um not only are we identical twins but we're best friends yeah we also yeah we are also great business partners so i mean we definitely especially in the past two decades have had to really learn each other's strengths and weaknesses and like hey that crossed a line and even though i'm your twin there's that isn't cool there's So boundaries.

5:25We've had to go to like twin therapy for that. Is there twin therapy? Well, no, but we made it. Okay. We with like a life coach. It's just regular therapy. Yes. Therapy with a life coach who will help us through business things. And we would do our twin sessions because we would just need help with that. Yeah. Because we humble each other. We do very quickly. And then we'll go get coffee. I'll be like, since I just cut you below the belt, let's go grab a coffee. So I have this one set of friends that I have that are twins. friends I know one of them a little bit better than the other but we have a very close mutual friend so I spend time with them on trips and things like that you have a very meaningful conversation at dinner and then I don't see her for six months and then I think I just ran into her in the airport oh yeah and it wasn't her and so from my experience um from the outside from the singular person I'm like oh god that was awkward I was talking to her as if it was her and it wasn't but then I think what does that feel like from the inside as you're like navigating like you have a meaningful moment with somebody yeah but she plays into it what do you mean if someone thinks she's brie and they'll have like a conversation with her she just will go with it where i right in the beginning i'm like oh i'm brie not nikki but there's nothing internally that happens to you or or makes you feel insecure well for me i feel bad the only reason sometimes i won't correct people is if either i feel bad or i know like i need to get like out of there quick so i don't want it to turn into like oh my gosh I thought you were Brie and then that'd be a whole conversation oh you just go with it one thing I do find interesting and what I love is if she does have her own friends and has like meaningful relationships because we have a couple of our own like we have our core group of best friends but we have a couple out of that that we're closer with but I feel like we need that yeah totally not always like we need to hear a different point of view um someone who is in experiencing everything that we have.

7:17And especially since the womb, it's like we've gone through everything together. Right. And now, you know, like even in life, like with business and wrestling and motherhood. So I think it's really nice for us to kind of have separation like that. I also feel we have such different personalities, but we also love hanging out with each other, which makes us more like best friends. So we've been able to do this life together because it's funny. I look at Brie, I feel like at times more of a bestie than... than a twin a twin really well i don't know how i think because i like kicking it with her so much just like my best friends but i think this is what don't you think this is why we've worked for so long because like for instance we do have our own like best friends where my personality meshes more with some and yours with others yeah but then we're all like get together and we're all like the crew for sure well we've met twins who don't like each other and i'm like oh like i don't get it i don't understand that that's or some who had to be so in sync but they're insecure by the comparison is what I feel like and for us we're each other's like biggest cheerleader yeah like like if I don't get something I want her to get something right and and vice versa and I also that's really a big key to it right a huge huge and I was comfortable knowing that my weaknesses are her strengths and I I'm okay because I had things like she was when it came to the soccer field she stood out more and the skill set but then I also had this other minute he's not took you 30 years just kidding yeah I know you're kidding because I can care less um but like I also had this like artsy side to me and this expression that like that was your thing right and my mom was good at like noticing that and kind of being like how strong your sister is in these things and like oh my gosh look at how artsy Brie is in this so I think some twins can't they get so deep in that comparison that they kind of, you know, forget, like, it's not competition with each other.

9:12It's like, you know, right. Well, and I do feel like, though, that's why sports are so great for kids growing up, because you get used to whether it's teamwork or being a team and like doing things together. Or if you play individual sports, like if you're a track runner, you learn competition, but you learn that respect of other people you're competing against if you're at a competitive level. and I feel like that helped us a lot too. We went through a lot in sports and I think that's helped us. That's helped us for sure succeed in this industry. We've had our runs as a tag team and individual for sure.

9:47Well, your parents did a great job. Yes. What do you, like if somebody just has young twins right now, what do you tell them about how to navigate that world and so that they can have this type of connection? I put them in different classes. Really? I don't even think you need that as much as just. But I think it helps. Yeah, recognizing the individual parts of them. Yes. I think sometimes, you know, twins, it's hard not to have fun with them dressing identical. Like my mom didn't wear babies up until I went to her in kindergarten. I was like, I don't want to dress alike anymore. I don't want to be a twin.

10:23Wow. My mom was like, oh, okay. And then instantly you saw when my sister and I got to decide what we wanted to wear. She was a straight up tomboy and I was very girly. so I think you need to have twins express themselves because they are going to express themselves differently right and so parents need to like I know it's cute to have twins but like let that you know happen right and I also though think being in different classes starting third grade because then you get used to doing things on your own that's true like homework was different walking to a class by yourself without like having your sister always there your twin I think that really helped us starting third grade we were never in the same class not even in I don't even think in college we took no and then the one time we were in the same class in eighth grade got in trouble a lot yeah because we'd like and then they had to separate mess around with each other we would prank each other and the teacher goes this yeah yeah it's not gonna work yeah split these i think we're so excited to be in a class together so we just because i was like the first time ever every day and we ruined it it was for the best so that's great advice though then yeah is is to have let them have their own identity yeah yes for sure and i think as parents We get really caught up because we become like Uber drivers that we're like, what's just easy?

11:34Like, let's just put them all in one sport or one activity together because it's easy to do the drop off and the pickup. Yeah. There's always going to be a child that's missing out on something that's actually their strengths. If you're just going to be following your twin or your sibling. And so I find that it's really important to see what each kid's into. Like my daughter, so artistic. She hates sports. And she's a fashionista. And then my son's all about sports. but I'm not going to, you know, have them all at the same field. Yeah. Super busy, but it's kind of fun. The different conversations and the different activities I get to do with each child.

12:08Yeah, totally. I get that. What about when she's like, what about when one is hurt? Like your sister has, what is happening with your foot by the way, right? Yeah. This is not an ideal time for you. No, not at all. I've been super bummed out about it. So as I know, it's a sprained ankle. we don't know if it's a high sprain or something else so i got an mri i'm waiting for the results what happened in our match on friday so we had it was our second tag match back together and happened right in the beginning of the match and i finished the match i can't believe i finished the match and i stressed out my poor sister i mean that's my second match back in eight years like so much anxiety and her first tag so she tags me and as i'm about to come in she goes oh I think I broke my ankle.

12:53And we're on live television. I was like, huh? I was like, do we need to call the match? Did you really think it was broken? I thought it possibly could be because I've had a break before and the rush that was like going through my calf and I couldn't put weight on it. I was like, oh, I think you just broke my ankle. And just how it felt. I just knew something was wrong, but I knew this was like starting the story to WrestleMania. So in my head, I knew there were girls in the back waiting to run in. I knew there was just a lot of women, a part of this match and I didn't want to let anyone down, but I still had like 10, 12 minutes to go.

13:26And I was like, my goodness. So every time my sister, by the way. Yeah. I'm such a pleaser. So every time I would tag in, I was like, no, it's really broken. Bring it like this. And the girl who were like beating up is like, uh, put me in a hold. Like, she's like, wait, is her ankle broken? And yeah. And we're doing like a double suplex. Like we're, I think it's something And that was probably the worst pain I've ever felt over a broken neck. Really? Putting someone in a double suplex at that point. With your ankle, yeah. Yeah. Because I have no choice but to put weight on it. Yeah. So you have a very high pain tolerance.

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15:42Yeah. But you know, fans. Yes. Well, and Nikki and I, it's funny because it goes back to, yes, we were soccer players, but one thing we loved doing is we love dressing up as the Spice Girls. And when my parents would have boxing parties, we're like, when it's intermission, we are going to lip sync for all your friends. Yeah. But we loved performing. And like when it'd be the holidays and we knew family was coming, we'd spend all day doing a perform practicing and we always perform so we were hooter girls right out of high school and we'd always watch the wrestling like the pay-per-views well even how we got drawn to hooters was crazy we knew we had to pay for a lot of things like college books is ridiculous we're like this is like a month of brunt so we needed a waitressing job and the state of california if a restaurant has hard alcohol you have to be 21 or older to be a bartender or server so hooters was the only place that didn't have hard alcohol just beer and wine so you could be 18 or older to work there so we were like when we heard that we were like do we do it should we go in because we had never been into hooters before well and so you didn't even know what you were walking into not a no no no we got like big padded bras because we were like oh you need hooters to work at hooters yeah it was like why i look back and I'm like we're crazy but so this is where we made our bestest friends in the whole wide world and we're all still close and when people ask us where we're at now we're proud like well I mean college Brie and I are always like no we always go Hooters University yeah friends get mad but we all came from the same story of like shoot we need to pay for books but I don't know about this so yeah but then we'd see wrestling well then we saw a couple years um you know into that we saw there They were on a search for divas, so female wrestlers.

17:28And for a lot of people who maybe watch GLOW on Netflix, you kind of can have an idea of what it looked like. You showed up, and you actually had no idea what was going to happen. But in our heads, we're like, okay, I'm Breezy Fashizzi. You're Nicole Fashow. We're the Garcia twins. And we came tough. We had bandanas on. But are you physically? Well, we thought we were going to get physical. Well, she told me. She goes, so you know, we're going to show up. We're going to be fighting today. And I'm like, all right, let's do this. But it was not that. Had you ever done that before? I don't know. Like wrestled each other our lives.

18:02We just thought we'd just go scrapping up. We just thought, like, I don't know what we were thinking. When we were standing in line, like, I just thought they were going to call us out to fight someone. Like, I literally was just prepared, I guess, to do it. You were just down for whatever. I was just down. This is Daniel Cormier from The Daniel Cormier Show. This podcast is sponsored by Total Wireless, the official wireless partner of UFC. All UFC fighters know power doesn't wait in the octagon or outside of it. You either make the move or you miss the moment. That's why you need a network that's as powerful as you are.

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21:23And I was like, excuse me? And like, then they're like, cut a promo on your sister. I'm like, what? It was way different. Way different. And I like was, Bree and I, oh, I just remember leaving there like, what was that? It was just crazy. But there was someone who, there was this woman there who actually, and I give her a lot of credit because she saw Nicole and I kind of walk out of there demoralized. We were just like, okay, that was weird. But she like saw a lot of potential, but she also didn't like how she saw us going with so much confidence and walk out with like none. So she pulled aside and she was like, listen, they can get like that, like for television and whatever.

22:02And she's like, but I see something really special in you too. She's like, you guys really want to wrestle, like fight? And we're like, yeah. She's like, well, let me talk. Yeah. She's like, we can fight out to one of the developmental programs and give you an actual like week long tryout. And so we went to McDonough, Georgia, which is outside Atlanta. And we were there for a week and we it was called the Deep South. And it was so fun. We were watching everyone train. They were kind of training us. There was this guy who was like a big vampire. And we're like, oh, my gosh, you guys are going to do a little indie show.

22:32Can we like under your cape and come out? And we just realized like we were having playtime and it was between the athletics and the character work. We're like, this is our calling. We fell in love. We fell in love. At the same time. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Oh yeah. It's, you know, we saw from day one, not only like the magic of pro wrestling, but also the athleticism and being athletes. Like we were like, this is all, this is the Spice Girls and the soccer worlds collide. Like everything we ever wanted growing up as kids. We're like, it's here. Yeah. And it's crazy. We've been hooked ever since. And it's so wild to me when people aren't familiar with WWE and, you know, wrestling storylines or they'll talk to me about things.

23:15And I'm like, no, it's the most magical place ever. There's nothing like it in the world. And even when I'm having my caviar and Dom Perry on at the Ritz, I'm like, you guys, no, pro wrestling is it. Like, this is the greatest thing ever. And I just, we were hooked. Like, that was it. and you still love it i still still love it you still love it i mean even last night watching at madison square garden which is like the most iconic place for wrestling yeah and some of the segments i was watching i was like laughing out loud and i'm just like gosh this is such a great business and i just love going backstage and seeing that you know especially when we have like very colorful um characters and they're just walking around i'm like see this is what i love this is what i miss it's like the circus i love it it's so what does this moment feel like that that it's coming to an end.

24:02It's like a, it's a big pivot for you. It's a big life change. It is. It's a huge life change. Bittersweet. It's one of those, we knew we had one more run in us and we really wanted our kids to see us too. But, you know, at 42, it feels different. And you're, you know, getting in the ring with women in their 20s and their 30s and some in their 40s as well. But, you know, it just, her and I are like, wow, okay. Like travel and, you know, taking those bumps. It definitely feels different. But for her and I, we've always wanted to go for the tag titles because they weren't around when we were actually competing.

24:37They came after we retired. And so that's always been on our bucket list. And the fact that we actually get to do it now, it's incredible. Well, and it hits like for me, I was actually telling Bree this where it hits me hard before we did our walkout last night, our, you know, power walk strut. Yeah, strut. um I looked at her and I go Brie we are only gonna have so many more of these moments left I go is it not crazy how fast life has gone by yeah when I think of us starting 23 like it just seems like I never would have thought 20 years would have gone by this fast yeah and I just it kind of hits me different to think that when this is done it's not just because like oh it's just a career I'm like, no, it's life.

25:22It's age. It's a new era. It's just that time. It's interesting when I'm hearing you tell this story, because I think a lot of women like, you know, age is a thing for a lot of women, especially when you're in a pivot. Yeah, right. It can be scary. Like, what do I do next? Am I going to be OK in this next phase? Are all the things I'm planning going to work out? What is the next phase of my life look like? Or just even struggling with getting, you know, getting older and not being 23 anymore. Like I try not to fall into certain insecurities, but when you're like wrestling half naked on TV, it's like you can't help it.

25:55And a birth child and actually birth the child. Yeah. It's like, you know, it's even like last night. I'm like, are my wrinkles showing? I'm like, do I am I dressed like a mom before we're like going out? We're always like, no, we look hot for 42. We need to stop this. You know, that's where age can be like a little difficult. Yeah. But also what's great is what I've realized having you is we get to be so present, which is so important. especially for us women when we're hitting these different eras and it's about age it's so important to stay like present because then we're going to look at photos of us now in 10 years and be like why don't i appreciate that more for sure yeah why didn't i look at so many photos from my 20s and i remember being in my 20s looking at those photos not happy with them why do we do that oh my gosh and i'm like mad at myself wanting to be like a size smaller in jeans who cares everybody does And I think every woman does that.

26:49And then you see it later and you go, God, I was. I looked good. I was perfect. My skin was tight. I miss having like no circles under my eyes. I'm like, wow. Oh my gosh. Right? Yes. Does it feel like the end of an era for you guys? Like, I mean, is there sadness in that too? Oh, for sure. Because, I mean, the Bella twins raised us. Like, that's, we became them. which is crazy, but we grew up in this industry. And when that door closes, it's, that's going to be crazy because all the, especially the past eight years, it's always been like, when are you making the comeback? And when are the Belletons getting back in the ring?

27:31And when this door shuts, that will no longer be a question anymore. Right. It'll be behind you. It'll be behind us. Right. That's kind of wild. Yeah. And I, and I think too, it just shows you, you know, that life like we're just we're getting to that point of getting older but in a different way like where it's like you can really let go of something and be like okay on to the next chapter and you start to realize your book is having a lot of chapters you're like we're having happy hour talking about pre-menopause is that the plan yeah we'll try to prevent i mean you're gonna be young retirees i'm sure there's a lot still on your list of things to do oh my god that's the One thing with us.

28:10Our goal is at 50 to be retired from like social media world. That is our goal. We are like by then we want to be off everything and strictly be in our entrepreneur era where it doesn't matter about the face of it. We just feel like it's a great place to disconnect. But I mean, the Nikki and Brie show, our podcast, like we've been eight years now. Wow. Has it been eight years already? And it's like our bread and butter and we love it. and we love the people we get to have conversations with and all the things we get to learn and where we get to take it we've been taking it to events that will continue on and that's become really our thing and we're winemakers and we love winemaking like we really really do and love wine too oh yeah we it was funny because just being on the road i was like our wine brand's thriving and really busy right now but yesterday i'm like in makeup and i'm like oh gosh my lawyer like can you sign this um we need this license for this state and i just started to realize i'm like my emails like keeping up on everything i was just like it's a real thing you should probably apologize to me for the past year of all the times you gave me hardship on like oh my gosh you don't get back to this quick enough you don't do this so something you were gone like so no no it was not as wild as what we've been doing you heard her do you guys really fight or is this Is this your thing?

29:33No, we really. We're Lucy and Ethel. No, but do you like fight? But is there moments where... We physically fought when we were younger, but then we stopped. Yeah, we don't. Well, not physically, but I mean... Oh, like do like really tell each other off. Like is your banter like always light like that? Oh, yeah. Like if she gets on your nerves, is it a light banter? Or do you ever have... I mean, we've had a few moments where we... Which I feel like now it's like text exchange and then we become bigger people. Because I can't imagine you guys really like... Telling each other off? Like if you got, I don't know, if there's ever a separation, if there's ever a distance in between you or do you not let that happen?

30:08No, we do. Because I feel like sometimes I know we both need the break, but sometimes I can get overwhelmed really easy. Her break's like a day. Well, I know, but still. And like she can just keep the chaos going and going. And I'm like, I need to go to my garden. Not true. And I'm just like, I need a timeout. you learn like from each other or just from something going on because i feel like we're so busy all the time and you work together too yes so i feel like you need our space how do we're good at that though yeah or you're laughing at me because i'm not because i'm single only because you're single yes i'm single how's that going how's that going well i mean not great Well, the good thing is, I love being single.

30:54You do? So that's, I love. Tell me why. I just love my space. I love how I do my routines. I love my aesthetic of my home now of just like, it's me and my son. I just love all the things. And I couldn't imagine someone in that space now. And I love like the peacefulness of it. Dating just at times. I think it's because I'm busy and my son's five. So I'm like in it as a mom. It just seems like it's so much like it's added to the list. It's like not a fun thing. It's just like, oh, this is like another thing. But it's also probably because I haven't met the person who's made me like want to make space for that.