Angie Martinez IRL - Tisha Campbell: Living Life Freely Without Your Mask

28:06I was 54 years old. And your resume. And you have done what you have done. And then I want this. You're going to start something new that's terrifying. and say yes yes i'm gonna go do that lunel told me why are you getting into this misogynistic business i was like there's something so beautiful about this genre this art form and i've always respected it and i wanted the people that i worked with um to know that i took it seriously and that i'm really doing the work yeah so love that so how does it feel when you're up there like when they laugh when engaging when it hits when it hits it feels like i'm taking their pain away for just a half hour like what about when a joke doesn't hit when a joke doesn't hit you just keep it moving it actually motivates me to get up there even more to figure it out yeah to unlock yeah it hurts but it but it's like oh i gotta get back up yeah that's how i feel about golf tisha Really?

29:06You golf like that? I started golfing maybe three, four years ago. And I love it so much. I'm terrible. It's really hard. Yeah. Because it could be anything that could mess it up. You got to do it in front of people. I go to these celebrity tournaments and I play in front of people. And I'm like, oh, God. But I don't care. I like it anyway. And I just do it anyway. It's not the same thing. No, it is. The idea of finding new things at whatever age you're at, whatever success level, whatever marital stage. It doesn't stop. Like you always should be trying to find things that, I don't know, just new, fresh.

29:41That's right. Fun. Keep you alive. Keep exploring. Keep finding the joy. Yeah. I want to see you do stand up so bad now. Oh, I want you to come. I totally want to come. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I'm in your area, I'll hit you up. So the movie that I saw the trailer today, it looks so good. Thank you. I mean, number one, because you just, when we see you on camera, it automatically elevates the feeling. It's just like we know. You're going to get something out of it. I know it's going to feel good. It's going to be funny. I don't know. Your presence just lends something elevated to anything, I think.

30:16This was an interesting project to take on. And I'm really not sure. I think it was a combination of a couple of things. But it was Mary, of course. and then there was Gabby Sidibe who directed the film. And I worked with her before doing a pilot of hers. And she saw my work where it was not just comedy. She knew that I could ground a scene and that I was still a drama, that I could do drama rather. And so I knew that she was directing and I wanted to do well for her. because you're such a girl's girl i think i am yeah but she's a really good person but even on top of her being a great actress and a good person she's a fucking excellent director i will work with her again and again her she's very clear about what she wants her storytelling is good she communicates very well and i wanted to make her proud i put and she sent me a message I literally cried because she was like you put your whole heart into this you put your whole heart into this everything that you may have been through and I see it on screen and I just appreciate it she said even lifetime appreciates it they really like the film so I'm happy about that I'm so excited I can't wait to so I need to see you in the film yeah I need to see some stand-up it comes like yes yes I need all those things all the things what about like So you must have learned so much in the past couple of years of having this kind of transition.

31:57Yeah. So we hear people say that. Even on this pod, for some reason, it comes up a lot. Like, I'm in my I don't care season. I'm in my. We all say that. Yeah. But what is the actual like execution of that look like? Like, what are the things that you have to do to remind you? Like for me, I will tell you, I have to literally actually remind myself that what feels good for me is okay. I don't have to explain anything. Feel bad about it. I don't have to. It's almost like you have to massage your muscle memory to get you thinking. To remember who you are. To get you thinking a certain way. Yeah. It has to become a habit.

32:35Yeah. Yeah. So like it's okay. For me, it's therapy. I have been super committed to unpacking baggage and understanding myself a little bit more where I am today. Aligning that nervous system. I've been working so hard in therapy and I can see the difference in myself. surrounding myself. The other thing is I surround myself with a limited amount of people with whom I can trust. And then I'm a writer. I write. Today's show is brought to you by our presenting sponsor, Hard Rock Bet, Florida's sports book. Listen, even if you're not the biggest football fan in the world, you are still tuning in and maybe you want to get in on the action too.

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34:05Or you can just go on the app. That's Hard Rock Bet. Download the Hard Rock Bet app and make your first deposit today. What about being a mother? Yes. And you mentioned, you know, having a child. On the spectrum. On the spectrum. Yeah. I know. You always want to be very careful about the language. Because it changes. It changes. Yeah. Well, enlighten us. Like, what are the wrong words? What are the right words? What did you have to learn about that? They no longer use words like Asperger's. Okay. Because that was a, or when you look at the spectrum, there's no more low on the spectrum or higher up on the spectrum.

34:46Just on the spectrum. You're on the spectrum and then there are levels now. So there's level one, level two, and level three. Level one is where it doesn't affect them living independently. level two is where they might need a little bit more support right level three is where they need a whole bunch of support got it to function and and your child was on what level um i think he started out around he was non-verbal until he was like eight so i would say level two and a half and now level two he's actually one and a half okay I think he's one and a half because he can one of my goals was to get him as independent of me as possible so this boy is in college he keeps two jobs in his pocket because he don't ever want to ask me for cash or anything he is prides himself on being the man of the house prides himself on protecting me and he's just an amazing human being.

35:54So I would say one and a half. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. When I think about my kids, it just makes me smile so hard. They're incredible people. Like even my youngest, my youngest, um, the, the teachers at the school always call me about him and they're like, he's the kindest child I've ever taught. I get emails like that all the time. Like, I wish I had a dozen Ezekiels in my class. So you did good as a mom. I think we're doing good. You did good. Yeah, yeah. But I'm sure there were challenges in that. Yes, of course you love your kid and of course you did great, but like. In the beginning, it was very challenging.

36:33Yeah. It was very challenging. What do people not know about that, about being a mom and the challenges of raising? I think what most people don't know is that when I got the diagnosis, I was on the set of My Wife and Kids. Wow. And I pride myself on being the type of person who doesn't bring their problems to work. And plus, Damon created such a family-oriented, loving atmosphere on that set. And I felt like I owed it to him to make sure that it stayed that way. So far be it for me to bring my ish. Make it heavy. To work. Yeah. so yeah i got does he know that you did that at that no i think this is my first time talking about it actually um but i i adore him and his family so so much um he even he even put a nursery in my dress room so that i could bring my baby to work like he was always so supportive when i first got the job on wife and kids he was like hey i think we're gonna be here for a good five years it's time for you can get pregnant if you want to because we're gonna be here and so he didn't have to tell me twice i got pregnant with zen right away so and had him the second season wow and so you would never bring anything to set no i still don't do that it's it's how we were trained in this business i grew up in the theater no wonder you learned to wear a mask baby yeah because in in the in the business all you would hear was one you're only as good as your last job and you will be replaced by your understudy like who cares yeah you know yeah so you come to work and you do your best and you consider the people around you um but i always tried to make sure i had a smile on my face because i i really wanted to support the atmosphere that he so you're going to work on set and it's fun and jolly you just your child just gets diagnosed and you're young you're right you're 33 30s yeah 33 you're on set young mother and so then how does how do you manage that when you go home what i mean oh i was constantly running running running running running running so so zen was on set sometimes therapists would come to my dressing room or i was running around trying to find therapy because One of the major problems that most caretakers or parents run into is the fact that time is not on your side.

39:13You need to get that early intervention in. But especially in 2001, 2002, when he got the diagnosis, there wasn't a lot of resources. There weren't a lot of people that I could go to. and even if you did call like a behavioral therapist or a speech therapist or an occupational therapist, you were gonna be on a waiting list just to get a call back to make an appointment. All of that said, like I was literally running around and I'm very aggressive when it comes to my kids. I'm very, very, very, very, very aggressive. There are people who are like, how you get an appointment so fast? Because even though I'm on this waiting list, I'm still gonna call you every single day and fuck you and they got tired of my ass and they gave me an appointment oh wow that's how i had to operate that's how i had to work advocating for your son it's my child yeah wow did i answer your question i think so okay i mean i was just trying to understand the everyday of that like yeah as a woman young woman you know

40:20yeah yeah yeah sherry was great sherry shared we had sherry on the show yeah uh i don't know how many months ago um but i understood a lot about you know some of her fears of raising a child and a black child yeah a black child also what that how challenge you know she was afraid to let him out in the street she struggled with his independence um you know this is not a small thing we're like oh yes my child was on the and i showed up and i worked and i was but like that's a heavy burden for a mother to to carry absolutely and and you know i remember growing up in Newark right in the 70s 80s and one of the things my mother was really really fearful of when my brothers because i have three brothers um by my mom and dad um when they would go out of the house and leave the house she was deathly afraid of whatever the gang members that lived in that area of them getting, you know, attacked by that or police, you know, and just as black men.

41:31But I have a black child on a spectrum. And when you have a black child that's on a spectrum, sometimes they might have tics and quirks or they can't keep their body still. And that was one of my biggest fears that, you know, law enforcement wouldn't, they're not back then they weren't educated or trained in this type of diversity or what autism looks like. So his movements or the way that he might, you know, move his body, put his hands behind his back. When he's nervous, he puts his hands behind his back. I was afraid that they would mistake it for noncompliance or there was a gun in his back, you know, and behind him or something.

42:18And so I have to think about that all the time until we would practice with sin to keep his body straight just in case he was approached by an officer i know right that breaks my heart for him yeah for any kid who i mean for you know the fact that kids have to do that absolutely it's heartbreaking the fact that a mother has to train their kid yeah to you know make sure you get a receipt in a bag when you leave i don't care if it's a piece of gum get a bag and a receipt before you so when you walk out nobody assumes you're stealing those are things that you have to teach your i never taught my son that but see that's the thing you gotta teach latino and black kids have to know these kind of things yeah because people automatically assume yeah the worst of them get a receipt in that bag do you have a good support system or did you then because now i feel like there are so many women i i had a very i had a very limited um there was aj to sheena My friend from high school, Sahira.

43:20Not a lot. The ones that I could really rely on. And a girl named Danielle that I met in Los Angeles. Wow, that's small. Very small. They were all moms. They kind of understood. But they gave me the support I needed to get me through this diagnosis. Yeah. Mm-mm-mm. Mm-mm. There might have been one more, but... Yeah. Oh, Holly Robinson-Pete. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Holly Robinson-Pete really helped me through all of this. Yeah. Because she's navigated those waters so well. She did. Yeah, yeah. And as me and Sherry... No, she was an early advocate. She was. She was the earliest advocate that I knew. So she was the first person I called.

43:57And then there was also Lorna Kyle, who is Cedric, the entertainer's wife. So she... During that time, they were all very, very supportive and kind of helped me. Holly the most because she understood it in a different way. But you mentioned Sherry and Sherry and I have become sisters in this, in this, in the autism community. And we've been sisters in, you know, just helping one another and supporting one another and pushing one another. And we always call each other the queens of pivot. I love a good pivot. yes yes so i love a good pivot we do where are you with love in your life now what what you say tisha that was a very direct question i didn't hear you where are you with love what bitch where do you stand with it what does it mean to you i'm not saying who's loving on you no no no what does it mean to me i don't know i'm still trying to figure out the love for myself i'm still unpacking all of that I don't, I know that I love people.

45:12I just don't know if I'm loved back by people. That's a really hard statement to say. Let me tell you the story. So I was doing this thing with Shirley Ralph. It was called Diva Simply Singing, right? And on the show was Brenda Russell. Remember Brenda Russell? Of course. Piano in the Dark. Piano in the Dark. She's a fantastic writer. And she was a well-known singer in the 80s? Yeah. 90s? Piano in the Dark was... One of my favorite writers and singers, right? But she was doing the show with me. And she also wrote, You can reach me by trailway. Right? Get there if you can. And I asked her, I said, that song I said god it's so beautiful I don't care how you get there just get there if you can I said who were you talking about when you wrote that song and she says oh yeah that's where people get it you know misconstrued because I wasn't talking about a person I was talking about love itself I've never been loved in my life oh and I did like this and then the meaning the words started going in my head, the meaning of the words took on a different, a whole different meaning.

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49:42Additional terms apply. See website for details. Wow. And she was maybe 30 something, 40 years old at the most. And I was like, you've never been loved in your life. And then now I am here in this moment, kind of more understanding her words. I have loved and I put my whole heart into it. And I not only believe in the good of man, I also believed in marriage, commitment, all of the things. And I'm still waiting to be loved properly the way that I define love. Maybe that's not fair to somebody.

50:39Fuck that. It should be fair to you. but I, again, I'm such a giver. I've given, given, given, given, given, given, given. Yeah. And I'm still waiting for that to come. I have hope. Yeah. Well, that somebody will love me past Gina. So I'm open. You feel like that got in the way Gina got in the way. I don't think Gina itself got in the way. Their perception of you or. I think my perception of myself may have gotten in the way. maybe back then i was okay with crumbs i was okay with

51:20i don't know you were you were okay with you doing all the things i was okay with loving on people loving on people because i thought that was my job yeah that was what my job was from him Yeah. I feel that so deeply. I know. I've never had an interview like this, by the way. Really? Oh, thank you for trusting me. And thank you for that. I do. I appreciate that. Thank you, honey. I know we got real. It is real. It's because people, you know, people are trying to figure it out. Everybody's walking around, like, fronting like they got it all together. Nobody got that shit together. Nobody got that shit together.

51:56Nobody got it together. And it's interesting because I'm so much more than the characters that people have seen me play. I'm much more than the smile that I wear on my face at all times. Thank God, though. Yes. Yeah. Yes. And I'm learning. I'm peeling away the onion in therapy and in my friendships and in my now relationships, you know. I love that. Yeah. Well, that don't mean I don't have no situationships. I'm just saying. until you find that love. Hey, I ain't by myself now. You're not opposed to a good time. Listen, I'm too grown for this. What we doing? What we doing? Oh my God, Tisha. I still want love for you.

52:45If that's what you want for yourself, do you want that? I just want to know who I am completely. I want to be the best me that I could be first. I want to be able to have and work on all the baggage and unpack that before I'm super committed to someone. So they get the best part of me and I get the best part of me out of the relationship. Heard you. Yeah. So good. how many times do people say damn Gina to you every damn day of my life cause like three times when you were talking today I wanted to say damn Gina I really wanted to I don't mind it but it was so real I didn't want to you know what I mean you know I told you my instinct listen my son calls me that every day I told you he does every day oh my god he doesn't call me he doesn't call me mommy shut up I'm telling you he don't call me mommy he calls you Gina he only calls me Gina you know why because that daggone nalawayans kenan's daughter was babysitting him when he was like three years old right and i never let my kids watch my work because i just wanted them to know me for mommy i didn't i didn't let them watch my work i didn't put them on red carpets i wanted them to be as far away from hollywood as possible i did do a red carpet once because it was a disney thing so i could take them to a disney movie but other than that no they weren't on the red carpet when they were little on everything.

54:16And she was babysitting him one day. And I came home and they're streaming the Martin show. And so Zeke turns, he's three. He goes, hey, Gina. And he's been calling me Gina ever since. And I be answering because I'm tired. I don't have time. Okay. Child. Oh my God. So they watched Martin. They watched a whole five seasons, I think. Oh, my God. And then Nala goes, you're welcome. And I'll kill you. Why you got this boy? So from then on, he's been calling me Gina. Oh, my God. I love that. So I'm used to it. All right. We have a couple. You're so good. I could talk to you all day. Okay. So our first segment is a voice note segment.

55:03It comes from one of our IRL listeners. Okay. It's usually a question or a comment. This one is for you. So my question would be, how do I begin to start over when I've already gone through so much turmoil, so much trauma and life as I know it is no longer the same? How do I maneuver through turning 50? Like, I feel like 50 is where I should have been at my peak and I was headed there before everything else. So just looking, where do I go from here? How do I start over at 50? Wow, that's a great question. So it's feel like she was listening to our interview today. Right. So what was her name? Lady T.

55:43Lady T. Lady T. So when I had to start over, I really had to. Start over from what? From like divorce. So I'm a backup. So I've been like I said, I was in this business since I was three years old. So I went straight from a momager and them being my manager into a marriage. And when I had to start over and when I left, I had to go from ground zero, complete zero, complete nothing. And it was scary, but I kept visualizing. You know what I kept visualizing? What? You know how a baby, when they're first learning how to walk, they get up on their feet and they kind of teeter and they do this little wobble.

56:48If you look at their faces, there's this excitement, this thrill. They know they're going to fall on their little pampered butts. They know they're about to fall, but they embrace the fall and then they get right back up. I think sometimes when we're adults, we forget to enjoy and embrace the fall. That everything could look like, it feels devastating, but it's more like a beautiful devastation. And I just kept saying things are going to get better. A friend of mine named Danny, who was one of the people who really helped me through, she told me, she's my, actually, she's my writing partner and co-producer at my production company.

57:30But she kept saying, change the narrative, sis. Don't be the victim. Don't tell the story over and over again. Make new stories. It's okay to start again. It's scary. It hurts. It's complicated, but it's okay to start again. You got this. And so I had to stop singing the same song over and over and over. What was the song you were singing? Just, you know, this happened to me, that happened to me. I don't think I'm going to be able to do this because now I got to. It's the same thing that goes on in your head, you know? And I had to stop. Embrace the fall and change the narrative. What is the narrative now?

58:18Do everything you want to do that you've ever wanted to do in your life. Put yourself first, Tisha. Put yourself first. Angie. Angie. And everybody else will fall into place. If you're okay, then they'll be okay. But if you're not okay, how the hell are you going to get it in? So that's where I am right now. Damn, Gina.

58:47That was so apropos.

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59:28Walden University set a course for change. Certified to operate by Shiv. Now welcome to our IRL bowl of real questions about real life. Okay. See what you get. You can pick. All right. You can pick till you get one that speaks to you. You don't have to pick your first one because we have the magic of editing. I ain't got my glasses on, so let's see. Okay, I can help you if you need because I had LASIK. How important is money to you? That's a good question. Money ain't important to me. Money ain't my God. And I think that's where a lot of people get hung up in this business. They make money their God.

1:00:02They make prestige something that they need. Fame. Fame, prestige, control, money. Money was never my God. So when money was gone, I've been poor before. I can make it again. So it's never been something that was the end all be all for me and never will be. my relationships are more important to me the way I affect people is more important to me utilizing the gift that God gave me is more important to me making people forget their problems making them cry making them laugh making them think making them change their mindset is more important to me that is what a true artist is I'm a true artist and this shit right here don't mean shit to me heard you sis but it's not bad when you get it well there are benefits Benefits to the shit.

1:00:59Like, but if you're still, you have integrity and you're a good person and you still can do what you do, it's going to come. Yeah. You're going to get blessed by it and you're going to be able to take care of your family. But it doesn't have to be your God. Yeah. It never has to be your God. You answered the shit out of that question. We want another one. Yeah, get another one. Get another one. Fuck it. We in it now. Let's do like baseball. Let's do three. Let's do three questions before we wrap. What's this one? All right. What's one thing you hope never changes about you?

1:01:42How loud I am. I know. I like it too. I'm really loud, but it's actually part of the mask. I do enjoy it but it has been a survival technique actually so I'm actually a very shy person believe it or not nobody would believe that I would never believe it but I also would believe it I'm actually quite shy and I hide it with jokes and loudness and it has always been a strategic move and the problem is that it's effective it's so effective And you're so good at it. Yes. I'm so loud. You demand attention. And then when you get the people's attention, you deliver. You're funny. You have meaningful things to offer and say.

1:02:31It's the reason why I'm here. Like being able to do interviews like this, which is, like I said, I don't think that I've ever had an interview like this. This in-depth, this just... Ah, what's the word? I'm trying to find the word. Thank you. I feel you. You know what I'm saying. I think it's just honest. Honest and inviting. And I don't feel like I have to put up a guard with you. Thank you. You're very good at what you do. Thank you, sis. So I'm able to say things that most people have never heard me say before. What was the fucking question? Oh, the loudness. So I love being that I was able to be strategic with how loud I truly am.

1:03:23Not. Because I'm actually quite shy. Yes. I could see that though. But it has worked for you. But you're so self-aware now that you know that it's a tool. I know it's a tool. It's a tool in your toolbox. And plus when I was 11 and 12, when I met Tashina, well, I say 11 and 12. Tashina was 11. I was 12. She likes for me to tell people that because she wants everybody to know. she's younger than me so when I first met her on an audition and she was like you're so shy why are you so shy speak up for yourself I hate shy people so she forced me out of my shyness what a blessing it was yeah and then she would take me all around all the gays in the 70s and honey they would crack on you honey they would let your ass have it so you had to get thick skin so she was actually the blessing that helped me navigate the life.

1:04:14How amazing it is to have a friend that long. You were how old? 11 and 12. 11 and 12. My best friend, we've been friends since we're eight years old. So I, I know the benefit of that. Somebody that has seen you through all the seasons. Knows you like, like we finish each other's sentences. Remembers things that you don't even remember. I do not play about Tashina Arnold. That's one thing I do not play about. I don't play about her. I do not play about Tashina Arnold. That's my girl. That's my friend. That's my sister. Yeah. And as protective as I am of her, she's just as protective of me. Oh, my God.

1:04:49What a blessing that the two of you had each other. Yeah. In this business because we were able to survive this business and not get caught up. We'll wait. We're going to wait for this bullshit. Right. I mean, they went crazy on you. They went crazy. They want you to get louder. Oh, yeah, you want to be loud? We're going to be loud talking. Okay. Silence. They're gone. But I was saying that I do not play about. Could you imagine like being famous, having that level of success? Yeah. The success that Martin had, that show in the 90s and what fame does to young people and Hollywood. The fact that you were able to navigate those waters.

1:05:32With my friends. With your friends. It was like a bubble around us. Yeah. Our friendship was a bubble and we helped each other survive through it. We helped each other navigate around it. You probably kept each other in check. Kept each other. The thing about the two of us is we tell each other the truth. We don't have the yes men around us. We don't want it. That doesn't keep you honest. And we hold each other accountable and keep each other honest. And we do it with so much laughter. She is how I get through life. she helps me laugh at everything what a blessing yeah she'll be like put an H on your shirt bitch and handle it like put the H on your shirt bitch and handle it okay that's Tashina Arnold I love that yeah I love her my final IRL question I like to ask everybody on the show do we have anything else before I do it final question I like to ask everybody this question okay My final question.

1:06:39My final question to you. Yes. You were so wonderful today, by the way. Thank you. This is a question in the bowl. If God were to text you today, right now, what would it say?

1:06:58I don't know. I don't know what God would say to me. Hey, y 'all know what God would say to me? You are hilarious. stop being so loud. That's what he'd say. Stop being so loud. I know your tricks. That's what he would say. You know, if God texted you, stop being so loud, you would know exactly what he means. He really means, I know what you're doing, sis. I know what you're doing, daughter. You're hiding. So stop being so loud. I'm never going to stop being so loud, Lord. I'm sorry. I think it's... Lord, I'm sorry. I don't know if I could do it. It's very hard for me. It's a survival technique, Lord.

1:07:46He made you. He knows you. It's okay. Tashina Arnold. I'm the other one. I'm the other one. I'm the other one. Tashina Arnold, by the way, we need her next because I need the flip side of this. I need the flip side of this story, of this duo. My goal one day would be to have the two of you in the chair together. You're going to very soon. I can't say why. Project happening? We're getting both? That would be amazing. I just want to make sure there was nothing else here. I think so. That was amazing. You got anything? You are brilliant. No, you got to understand, Angie, it's you. Aw. You create a safe space for people to speak.

1:08:23Thank you. Because we're always so guarded. But the way that you handle your guests. Thank you. It's so comforting. so we don't mind saying things that nobody has ever heard. Thank you for that, baby. Thank you, baby. Tisha Campbell in real life! In real life, too. In real life. Yo, that was beautiful. This is Tisha Campbell in real life.

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