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33:43I was 21 I don't know if you remember I got too many stories with you that we'll chill on yeah I know I don't listen to your stories you listen to my stories yeah we got one you won't admit see that's why I say we got one you won't admit that's why I say that's why I tell people mama you know we got beat up in bad news man don't do that I'm trying to and you know Ross started that oh shit you know Ross started that oh so he start something happen alright you admitting that something happened yeah you say I got you beat up he got hit by in the chest with a Heineken bottle. And he said, I got him beat up.

34:14He got hit in the chest. Somebody threw a Heineken bottle and hit him in the chest. Hit him in the chest? Yeah. I never said that didn't happen. But he said, I got him beat up. He got him to the chest, did nothing, T. He said, I got him beat up. Well, first of all, Ra snuffed the dude. Ra jumped in the crowd after the dude. Right, we got his birthday party. You know how this shit going on out there, right? I don't understand this shit. One minute we over there, we like, yo, we were AI, bad news. The next thing, they throwing so many cups. No, man, you was rapping. You was performing. You was performing, and it was a motherfucker in the stands that wanted to, he wanted the mic.

34:54And Ra was telling the dude, chill. And then after he started telling him, chill, then the dude was, fuck y 'all then, da, da, da, da, da. And then Ra just. What I do know is we had to dump. They threw. They threw so many glasses of Jack Daniels. You got hit by a... That shit was going to steal him. You got hit by a Heineken bottle. See, whenever people talk about him capping on the joint, see, I know him personally. So I've never known him as a liar. That's right. You know what I mean? And what people got to understand... He should take the flags back. Listen, yeah. Yeah, listen. But listen, I'm listening.

35:35The only thing, like, the story is... that, you know, where I wasn't there, you know what I mean? I can't confirm him. You know what I mean? All I can speak on, the person that's telling the story. So I know he don't lie. He never lied to me. So when he's telling my story, that's what I go off. So he get him 99.9 % right. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? We got our ass beat, man. That didn't happen. I'm telling you the truth. Everything, everything. So if he called you to hit by the bottle, I asked what, man, he got his ass whooped. we played 70 games of spade for sure and we was in there for hours and we was so hyped to go to this part I don't know what the fuck happened I just told you what happened crazy cause when we pull up everybody chasing us like he got the drop tops out there so it's like Ali Boombay everybody yo yo you know cause yo you remember what you told me in front of my Uncle Stevie house I wanna know that day we was in yeah I ain't gonna throw no crag on him look um I'm telling you look if you think about all the shit that he's done in his life and the place he's been and the events he's been to like and all the shit that go on in a motherfucker like his life man you cannot be totally accurate on everything that shit get blurry and then we well I know I drunk a lot you know what I mean but I remember being in front of my uncle in front of Uncle Stevie's house I had the blue Bentley Azul drop top joint.

37:06And we were sitting out in front of the joint. And he was like, yo, Chuck, I'm going to have one of these one day. You know what I mean? And the first, I don't know what was your first color. Was it the silver one? Sky blue, sky blue. Sky blue joint. And I remember, I don't know, I don't know. I know it wasn't a video because, you know, usually in the videos, you know, because I had, when I was in Atlanta, I had everybody using my car's video. But I remember seeing you in it. It was something they was doing, and you was driving the joint. And, man, I was watching it on TV, and it fucked me up.

37:41You know what I mean? It felt so damn good because I was like, yo, like, I was a part of that. Like, he told me that he was going to get him one of them joints, and you had the joint. That man. You got the joint. You know, I got the picture with him. He was like Fat Joe, this guy. You remember he was big, J the Kiss. He was a little chubby. He was never like Fat Joe. He was a little plumpy. I got the fucking picture Jada I got the fucking picture you can do pull ups now with one finger and all that shit but back then you was eating that fried chicken boy that boy boy fucking some shit up I got that picture he get mad I post that shit like every three months for no reason be like me and Jada they be like why you posting that shit Joe I love when you post man let me yo do you remember that night though you took no I'm telling you when you took me we couldn't find a hotel you remember that When you told that story, yo, that was crazy.

38:35But I told it the right way. Yes, you did. But let me tell you, you know the guy hates me. I don't think I had a game the next day, though. Yes, you did. Because we were smacked. We were smacked. Listen, first of all, the owner hate me. What's his name, Bob? Pat Croce. He thought I'm smoking and drinking with you and this and this and that. He told me one day we went to some Adams Sandler window, and he said, Fat Joe, man, I'm so proud of you, man. He said, I used to tell him all the time I didn't want you with Chuck. I thought you was a bad guy. I said, yo, I was the nicest guy there. What the fuck are you talking about?

39:08So he comes up. He got a game like Saturday, and he come to Jimmy's Cafe with us. He got the drop top. And you said I was driving. I was not driving. We get so fucked up. All right, you wasn't driving, so I was driving. I never drove drunk. I never did. OK, he never drove drunk, right? I used to be drunk as a motherfucker. Let me explain something. OK. Like, we was tore down. Bubba Chuck had the game the next day. But I mean, like, not regular. Like, smack! Like, walking sideways and shit. You said I threw up. And I ain't never threw up drinking. That's a flag? Yeah. Because I remember you telling the story.

39:44I ain't never threw up drinking. We pull up in my man's house in the bummiest area of the Bronx. It's the only place to go. Do you remember him? Do you still rock with him? Yes! We slept on clothes. Yo, that was crazy. His house is so bummy that they got clothes all on the fucking... He's still cool with me. Of course, he's family. What do you want me to say? I'm talking to you a true story. Yeah. We spend a night. He got a game against the Knicks the next day. I wake up, he's gone already. So I wake up, say 10 in the morning, Chuck is gone already. I don't know how he did it. So I go to the Knicks.

40:19Shooting round, Nick. Man, if I'm keeping it a buck with you, we drank so much, I had diarrhea the next day. Like, I was fucked up. And Jimmy's too? Jimmy, I was two. That shit was crazy. And I go to the game. I'm fucked up. So I go to the game, and purposely, I'm not courtside. I'm like 10th row, like hiding. And I'm looking at shit. He was in the Yales. He dropped like 41. He was in the Yales. And the Joe Button C-stop. You got to stop. You think about it, though. Think about it. How old was I? That recovery time was nothing. They gave us a sign. I don't know who's controlling your time, but hold up.

40:58we only got five minutes mama come over here I want you to sit on the couch make this shit legendary you know what I'm saying

41:09sit down mama you know we love you how proud are you to be Bubba Chuck's mom and his journey in life you know with Bubba Chuck and all the success and how you see him come around as a man it's important because you're the first mother athlete's mother that we all fell in love with. We love you braiding this hair in the middle of the court. And you... I got to stop you with that. That's not me. That's not me. I braided his hair. That's not me. He's supposed to know that. I braided his hair from all the... When he first wanted his hair braided. Now, I did braid his hair, but his hair was coming loose in the back.

41:49And he was worried about his hair. You know, he liked to be fly. He was worried about his hair coming loose. So, you know, my sister called me and she was like, Ian, he keep on telling me and looking at me, and I don't know how to braid hair. And I was like, all you got to do is just braid his hair. You braid him just the back of it. And so when I got there, I saw my son. That cap is rubbing off on it. If it is cap, it's rubbing off. Because mommy got, yeah, because mommy got. She got about over there. Mommy got this. Oh, flag. Mommy got the story raw. It is what it is. I got to be authentic. You taught me to be that way.

42:27You know what I mean? It didn't go down. It didn't go down. And then he over there calling. Now I'm Bubba Chuck. Why are you talking to mommy? Now I go to, at first I was AI. Now I turn into Bubba Chuck when he talking to mommy. But it didn't, it ain't, it ain't happened like that. Well, I got my version. You got your version. Yeah. Okay. So all of a sudden, you know, you know, your son AI, you know, my mom's ain't here, man. So we want to hear it. Like, you know, how proud are you of your son, man, and all his accomplishments and how he inspired generations of people? First of all, I was proud of him from the first day I saw him, you know, because back then.

43:11Yeah. Back then, back then, when you have a baby and I was so young, like he said. So, you know, I had to have him cesarean birth and I was asleep. So when I came, when I woke up in recovery and they brought me to brought him to me and I was like, he's so light. And you know what I'm saying? But when he opened his eyes and he looked at me and I saw my eyes looking back at me, I said, oh, yeah, that's my baby. You know, and I checked everything on him. I checked everything on him. But what really blew my mind is, first of all, I got kicked off the basketball team because I got pregnant with him.

43:45But what blew my mind was his hands and his arms. His arms was past his kneecap. When I laid them out like that, they went way past his kneecap. And I was like, I got a baller. And I was happy. I was happy. And so I told my family, I told my whole family, I was like, you know, I got a baller. So everybody was like looking at me like I was simple or whatever. But the thing is, from that point on, he came in my life and he was the perfect child. He was not hardheaded. He would listen to everything I said. And he loved the daylights out of me. And at that point, I needed love because of the fact that my mom had died at 29 years old.

44:29Malpractice. But anyways, the Iverson said, send her to Virginia. And that's the best thing they could have done for me. And when I had him, when I was carrying him, I was pregnant playing ball in Hartford, Connecticut. And I went from there to Bethel High School playing ball. And he had a favorite cheer. And his cheer. Don't do that, Ma. Okay. We got to hear it. We got to hear it. Mama, mama. Mama, you listen to him. Yeah, tell us the cheer. Yeah, it was a favorite cheer. Mama, mama. And it used to be. No, no. It used to be. Everybody be on the court. And we had halftime. And then everybody would sing.

45:06Go Bruins, go. And everybody would shut up. And he would say, shake that thing.

45:16so that's my story but far as proud I want to tell you something that he said to me this year I said Bubba I said you know I am so proud of you I said you just make me so proud I'm proud of you I just wanted to express that to him so he'll know it from my heart yeah and he said I'm not finished he said I'm not finished making you proud and that's what he's been doing

45:44With that being said, this ain't that That ain't it This cracking kiss makes some noise for our guests A.I. and Mama Love

46:06It's two moments in my life, in my career that I could cite you for and just want to say thank you, bro. It's like, you don't know what it meant to me. One was, you put me in a video, and your video... Huston is the key to success. Me, you, Nas. Me, Nas. Man, like... You know how pictures come out, like, once a year? I see them pictures. Like, it's going to be here forever. I love that, man. We was kids in the... But you pulled up to the Bronx. That meant something, though. That meant something, because... Let him give me a violence. Coming from Chicago, ago, man, one of the things we wanted was just to be heard by New York.

46:43And for you to be like, yo, come on. Even though we was on the same label, if you thought I was on some weak shit, you'd have been like, ah. Take the flag back off that. Thank you. Thank you, beloved. Thank you. We get the flag back. That's the beloved of all beloveds. I'm going to tell you some shit. What's the second one? Well, the second one we done talked about a lot. where you, man, you practically saved my life. Oh, get the other flag. Get the flag back. Take the other flag. I'm going to break the flag up. Yo, yo, yo. Oh! Yo, yo, Jay, Jay. He got his flag back. Yo, that man really saved my life.

47:21Like, I was out on the West Coast with my guy, one of my guys I knew through one of my close homies, but he was my guy, and he just wasn't happy with the whole situation, the whole Ice Cube, MAC-10 beef that we had. told him we had squashed it. We doing it. We sitting there doing a commercial. This was the most money I was getting paid ever for something at that point in time. So we at peace. We like, yo, things is good. My God, he from Chicago. He just couldn't hold it. He couldn't hold it. So he started ruffling shit. And man, it just got a little heated. And I want to say that it's not because Fat Joe's tougher than anybody.

48:00I literally beg for your life. I literally got in the middle and was like, please, he's my friend. He's my brother. You know, some people take things personal. And they finally saw him. And he was on there, saw you, and they was talking crazy. And I was like, no way. This guy, I said, this is literally my brother. And I was begging them because it was the serious ones. I was like, please, this is my brother. Joe, you know, we've been waiting to catch this guy. I said, listen, I can't. I just couldn't do it. And basically, I stood in the middle like, please, guys. Like, I cannot do it. But they settled.

48:46It was over after that day, right? It was over after that day. But you settled that. Like, I'm like, man, we in California. Don't start nothing. My homie already, because they already, like you said, they already wanted a piece of me no matter what. What? So my guy out there, he's just going off. And anyway, I knew Joe. I ain't even hit him, but I know everything he did. Oh, no. He did. I knew it was him that said, yo, this can't happen. And because he had a, you know, a relationship. Super relationship. Still my brother. Shout out to that. Yeah, shout out to all the brothers. Shout out to Inglewood.

49:20Yeah, Inglewood. That's my family. Inglewood family was good. That's when Fat Joe the Gangster, I was like, this nigga here is this. because he straight up was like, you can't do that to my man. It was like one of the movies where he's talking about good fellas. Good fellas. Hey, once again, I begged him. I was in their mercy and I was just like, please, this is my brother. This is my family. I did that one time for Rich Plame, my best friend. One time they was about to do it and not saying Rich and him ain't real deal. Right. Well, he was getting into it with a seven-headed monster, a guy who just kills.

49:57He's in jail for too many bodies. Right. And I had to jump in the middle and be like, yo, yo, yo, I can't. It's like, yo, fat boy, get out the way. I was like, oh, no, I can't. This is my family. I can't. I knew what it meant. They real deal. And this other guy's, you know, a Jeffrey Dahmer. And I'm a monster. And I'm sitting there like, yo, listen, please. Let me get in. I said, no. Not to knock him dead end. Knock him down. Y 'all had a yard up there. But they go. But they go. The man go. Because it's the first argument I ever had with him. Right? He goes the next day to Rich and they had blocked on Cypress and says, if Joe got in the middle, that means you're good guys.

50:43Let's become friends. And they wind up being best friends. My man's still in jail 37 years. But he went the next day. He took it on himself and said, if Fat Joe threw himself in the middle trying to squash it, these guys gotta be good guys. And it was all over, you know, staring at each other in the club and a couple of girls and, you know, these guys, they kill each other over girls. These gangsters, man. A lot of gangsters in jail killing over girls. I'm telling you, I had a guy, this guy was a maniac. He's still in jail too, 40 years. Right? He was mean. He turned his scared straight. No, no, because, no, he talking.

51:24A lot of wars have come over women. Over women. Most of them. Yo, but listen, this guy, all I'm going to say to you is this was a mass murder. He's still in jail 40 years. He would come to the club and he'd go, he's Puerto Rican. He'd be like, aye. And I'd be like, yo, what's up? Aye. The nana. He's talking about his wife was bad as shit, too. She was fucking dudes. Like, she was loose. So he'd come, aye, nana. you know Jimbo from the barbershop? Yeah, he was with the net. Everybody of his 10 guys like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Not Jimbo. He didn't know. Yes, with the net. Jimbo won't be around in two more days.

52:09Like, he would come all in. One time I argued with the nigga. I was like, ah, and I said, no. I don't want to hear that shit. You're a fucking liar. She's the most decent girl in the world. She didn't do it. Yes, the nana. And everybody knew what that was. What? Somebody was disappearing over the nana. Yeah. No, I know maniacs like that, man. But you know, Common, man, you're the beloved of all beloved. Let's keep it peace. Hey, man, I got my Palo Santo. Hey, I said, you know, I said, you see what I'm saying? What's that, like, smoking sage or something? It was supposed to protect us from that story.

52:49It's similar to say it's Palo Santo. It's Palo Santo. You know, it comes from the trees down in Chile. Bring in the good energy. Bring in the good energy. Move negative energy. We got to go to I Used to Love Her. Okay. Right? You knew that was like a lean back. When you finished that bitch, you was like, oh, I knocked this shit out the park. Like, what was making I Used to Love Her? Where did that come from? What was the inception of that idea? because to this day, I mean, we did it in so many. Big L did the Ebonics and this. Everybody did some version of it. Yeah. But that was like the epitome.

53:28Man, whenever God dropped that idea into my spirit, bro, I was geek. I just know No ID made this dope beat. He was dope. He accepted George Smith's. Shout out to No ID, bro. He fucking killed that. Yo, I was sitting at home. My homies had just left the crib. and I was staying with my guy, Rahsaan. We had a crib together, like an apartment. And, man, I was sitting up. It was 2 in the morning. I just had that beat playing. I was like, man, what if I made hip-hop a woman? And then I just started writing. And it used to take me, I don't know how for y 'all, but sometimes I'd be taking a while to write.

54:06Back in the days, it took a while. Yeah, back in the days, it used to be like, Back in the days, you'd be busting your brain. Your brain to come up with some shit. Yo, that one started coming to me. and then I started, you know, just understanding the metaphor. Not understanding, but just getting into the metaphor and then taking it through the whole ride. And I was like, I ain't gonna fuck it. I was, I did feel like, this is it. This is something. Halfway through, you was like, yo, this is some shit, right? Like, as that shit started going, you like, yo. Yo, man. I was like, yo. And then by the time I got to the third verse and was like summing it up and got to who I'm talking about, y 'all, this hip hop, I was like, man, I knew that it could have something.

54:50It could hit somebody. Because when I was in that studio laying there, my guy, Rosson, he was like, I could see him through the booth. I was sitting there rapping. And, you know, we're young, so he's like, yo, what girl are you talking about? Yeah, he's like, why you doing this love song? You know, he's like doing a love song like this. As soon as I said, well, I'm talking about y 'all, it's hip-hop. And he grabbed his head like, oh, shit. You want to know what's crazy is? when you came in here, I know how much you love Illmatic. And so we doing some Illmatic and similar I used to love her to Illmatic is over the years every time I heard, I used to love her, I picked up something new and I learned something new and I was just like, yo, this shit gets better.

55:37You know, like Illmatic, you can still like right now, we all could have rapped and didn't know the word the right word, right? caught a body halfway Houston. What the fuck he meant with caught a body halfway Houston? Head for Houston. Head for Houston. Caught a body halfway Houston. Oh, caught a body head for Houston. Yeah. You know, it's like, so you could keep, like, that's how the level was for me. Like, every time I heard it, I would hear something new and something new and be like, oh, shit, that shit crazy. Yo, yo, what, what, what hit me too was like, man, that was the first time I really started.

56:13Like, I remember, you know, back, Back in those days, you would have, like, people give you a quote for your album. Biggie gave me a quote. And, like, I was like, damn, I'm actually getting respect from, you know, more and more people. But then that movie Brown Sugar came out. And Brown Sugar was based on I Used to Love Her. Wow, I didn't do that. Yeah, it was based on I Used to Love Her. That writer, shout out to him, Michael Elliott, he had come to me to write something, like, write some movie stuff with him. But I was, like, a little bit, you know, I didn't know how to do that. We just moving.

56:47So he ended up writing Brown Sugar. Boom. Then me and Erica, me and Erica Badu did a song for Brown Sugar, which was Love of My Life based on I Used to Love Her. Love of my life. Love of my life. You are my friend. So I was like, it was one of those things that kept evolving in a way, like that song. It was a seed. Yeah, the seed. It keeps growing. And you know what's crazy is, being that you're saying that, I'm just, you know, I was supposed to be in the movie Shaft. I was supposed to be peoples. You know, the actors are big, big. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yo. Rest in peace, John Singleton.

57:30He was coming to Jimmy's Bronx Cafe every Friday trying to convince me to be in Shaft. But we was too much on that party like a rock star. We was like, we ain't give a fuck. We young, rich rap niggas, big pun, double plat. We don't give a fuck. Fuck, he's, John Singleton was in the trenches. He was with me in Washington Heights and fucking bummy apartment house, but he had no business being there. Like, yo, Joe, I got this role. You could be peoples. Because you know, what's my man, the famous actor? He played peoples. You see how he was speaking with his Spanish slang? Yeah. He ain't Spanish.

58:09No, no, no, no. Fat Joe was supposed to be peoples. Bro, you turn that road out? Dumb motherfucker. Like a dumb motherfucker. Every time I watch that movie. I was supposed to be in glory. All right. Now, believe me. Now, all right. What's something that happened to you that you had an opportunity and you was like, fuck, dad. I'm going to stay in D-block with your aunt. I ain't doing that shit. But now when you look back, you're like, damn, I should have did that. Have you had one of them? You got some of those. What? You got to give up one. Last thing of power. The last episode of power. last season of Raising Canaan.

58:48Oh. I had to take my wife to the Usher show. I saw you at that. I said, back, I couldn't get a private. It wasn't meant to be. It was one of them, be sad or be happy. You know how big that Raising Canaan was? Forget it. Shout out to one of the I got another one. I saw you at the Usher show that time. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you was there too? Yeah, in Vegas, yeah. You know, you go to Usher, man. He forced you to do the greatest hits. Yeah. Like I'm over there trying to go. All I want is two free tickets. Right, that's it. It turned into. It's for the enjoy the show. It turned into cost you more. I know, man.

59:22My brother, Fat Joe, the light come like this. Da-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na. You on stage, shit. And you got another word. Then it throw another one, another one. I'm like, shit, is this the Fat Joe show? Mars is making you do a little concert. DJ Mars, my guy. It's an honor. Fast forward, how does it feel to win every goddamn award? And I feel good whenever I see you win. Thank you. Because I know what you stand for, what you represent, where you come from. When they let one of us in and you just dominate the way you've been doing. It makes me feel good. Man, I love that because... It's a win for us.

1:00:05Right, so let me tell you, when I'm up there, I feel like I'm representing us because we all, we all the tribe, man. Like, we know where we've come from. We know what we do. We've been through it together. We ain't got to see each other all the time to know we just, we from, we just the tribe, bro. We love each other. So when I'm out there, man, I ain't going to front. When I was on that Oscar stage, I felt like I was representing, I was representing God, black men, brown men, black people, like hip hop, Chicago. Chicago, it was a lot that I felt like, yo, this is why I'm up here. And my ancestors, I felt all of that.

1:00:44And I'm like, I'm so grateful that you feel that way. Because I'm like, man, when I see y 'all, I came in and said, man, I'm proud of y 'all, man. This is like, what y 'all doing, man, this is like, it offers so much to people. People who like need it. We need it. We need the fun. We need the joy. We need the wisdom. We need to come in like an authentic way. So to see us, us, like just, man, that was 93, 92, bro. 93, 93. Bro, so to see us like finding ways and real ways to actually impact life and culture and be doing great things and taking care of our loved ones and families. And, you know, y 'all remember, you know, the same way.

1:01:29I feel like we all want. Now, I'm going to tell you a crazy thing. I wrote my first ever positive song, right? Now you don't remember this. You know, I'm Gangsta Fat Joe. I smack your baby at the Christian. And I'm doing, you know, I'm talking all this crazy shit. And I made one positive song. And I went to you. I seek the kingdom. Never forget. And I played it for you. I felt like, yo, Com is going to love this shit. It's a positive song. And I played it for you. He was like, that's dope. Joe, what the rest of the album sound like. Like you wanted that wrong shit from Fast Joe. I came with the least black man this, that, Farrakhan formed a million man and he was like yo Joe what's up with the rest of the album I was like yeah yeah the album is hard but I came to you with the positive joint like I thought Carmen was gonna be like yes nah he ain't want that nah he want that Joe crack fat gangster shit nah nah but you know it was at the end of the day you was showing the evolution but sometimes it's like you know we all climb and grow our way, we grow in our own ways when it's time.

1:02:35I mean, for me, it's like positivity ain't got to be like, oh, preachy, man. I don't like that. I don't like that in movies. I don't like it in music. I don't like it in church. I don't like the judgment. I don't like it's self-righteous. I don't like, man, I'm conscious now. You know, like, you was doing the goodness out there, to be honest. Even, you know, like, you know what I'm saying? like bringing people on, that in itself. But I feel like, you know, I kind of remember when you played that joint, but I wasn't in that joint. But you know what happened is, you know, somebody like KS-1 who had the machine gun in the cover and we think it's coming again.

1:03:20He's airplanes playing. Overseas people dying. Politics is lying. I'm trying not to escape. that shit was like a fucking a rose blooming I remember I hopped the train I had the Walkman and I played that shit and then he was like airplanes flying overseas people dying politicians lying I'm trying I was like it was like a rose I was like yo what the fuck is this yo man K.L.R.S. K.L.R.S. 1 and hip hop and itself at that time too man taught me so much about who I am as a person it's stuff I ain't know like I didn't know like even what he was just talking about just certain things about Africa that I wasn't why is that why is that why is that he was going even to be able to break down the books of the Bible Abraham was the father of Isaac Isaac was the father of Jacob Jacob had 12 sons for real and these were the children of Israel I'm like, man, to get us to be singing that and rapping that, like, man, that dude just elevated us all, man.

1:04:32Hip-hop did at that time. The teacher. The teacher, man. The teacher. And he made it sound, but that's what I'm talking about. Like, he made that joint sound good. Like, I had to get to that. I had, it was a point where in my music and career, where I felt like I was getting stuff and I wanted to spread the word, but it was too, it was too, like, self-righteous. It was too like, you know, you got to find a balance. Life is a balance. So it's like. You know, me growing up, he was my hero, my idol. He still is. But Karis One was God in the Bronx, right? And then Fat Joe. Yes. Became the new, like, you know, the dong.

1:05:14We going double platinum. We on fire. I used to walk the streets with Karis One. Everybody, teacher, teacher, look at me like, you know. You know, we had attitudes. And I asked him one day, I said, yo, Chris, how come everybody comes up to you smiling with the teacher, teacher, then look at you? He said, that's easy. I rap about positivity and unity. You rap around gangster shit. They going to make you prove you a gangster every time I hear. Me, they just smile. I pose no threat. I was like, wow, that shit was so deep for me at the time where it was like, yo, he's like, yo, They look at me like, this is the unified.

1:05:55They look at you like, yo, you still Fat Joe the Gangster out here. So we went right back to the studio and killed some more people. That's a fact. More babies than Christian. But that's when, for me, I knew like, okay, man, I wasn't selling a lot of records, Joe. You know, I remember walking into Relativity Records and it was, I tell people this story. It was Bone Thugs at Harmony. who? Fat Joe. I don't know if the Rough House Riders were performing. Like, Fat Joe has sold maybe 20 ,000 this week. But, Bone Thugs has sold 40 ,000 this week. I sold 5 ,000. So, it was like, that board let me know, like, the priority of the label and what was gonna be put into my career.

1:06:45So, I knew that, man, I gotta go on my truth no matter what and state who I am because record sales wasn't it for me, like, to be honest. Like, I mean, I did have some great ones at times, but some good ones. But overall, it was like, man, my integrity of what you're saying, like just putting positivity out there, putting creativity out there, putting that light out there is what, to the end of the day, some people ask me, man, why you still doing it? That's why I'm doing it. The passion. Yeah, the passion, the love.

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1:11:16Monthly rates on the total base 5G unlimited plan. For new subscribers, applies only to the monthly rate for your plan. Additional terms apply. See website for details. When you talk about Benito, you got how you feel. Benito, man, getting a lot of pushback. You know what I mean? Why? I thought it was a beautiful thing. being that he's just coming off the biggest world tour, bringing almost damn near a billion dollars to the island of Puerto Rico. And now Ove is giving you a chance to check him out at the Super Bowl, and now he's getting now a bunch of hoopla. I don't understand it. I don't...

1:11:56It's damned if you do, you're damned if you don't. What's your take on that, my brother? You know that, but let's be clear about this. is the number one streaming star in the world. Somebody's listening to this, man. Number one streaming star in the world. You could Google that shit if you want. Fell it. Google it. Fell it. Two-time fell it. At least he got a job, man. It's the most streamed album of all time. He's number one in the world. He made me, the whole world, go to Puerto Rico to watch him perform. He deserves the spot. The problem with America is so racist that if we're celebrating art, we're celebrating culture, we're doing a halftime performance.

1:12:43Somebody got to perform, whether they black, white, Asian, K-pop, whatever you want to name. So at the end of the day, Kendrick Lamar did it last year. Is he big enough? Is he this? The ratings was through the roof. Was he big enough? Is he dissing Drake? Now you got a guy who's Puerto Rican. By the way, ICE cannot arrest Puerto Ricans. We're Americans. Duh. So I don't know what the fuck you on your truck with your Confederate flag thinking, yo, we're going to lock up some Latinos. Yeah, they all Puerto Rican. They're American citizens. What the fuck are you talking about? And my problem is why does race have to always, always come into everything that's going.

1:13:31I mean, everything. And you perform it. I didn't even see that. Right? When they picked him, I said, all right, Bad Bunny, he the biggest. He's going to rock. Right? I'm Latino and I don't know all the words to his song. But I know he's the shit. And he's fire. So my thing is, once they throw in the race shit, I'm like, yo, what is this? Who's? I hate people. Black. Latino. You know, white people, whoever, who always got to bring race into every single thing. I just don't know why. They've been bringing in every single thing since I've been born. Oh, no, no. But now with social media is at an all-time high.

1:14:12I don't know how they break this shit down into it. It's everything. Everything turns into some racial shit. Bad Bunny's coming to entertain you. If you're white and you don't know Spanish, throw on your dancing shoes and have a hell of a time because all your friends are going to jump up and dance. He going to rock that shit like you've never seen it. It's going to translate it for you. What, the Apples? Yeah. Talk about that. So Apple got this. So Apple presents the halftime. You got the iPods that translate and can translate it to English for you. On, right at time. Live time. So I need that shit.

1:14:48They're making us buy the new phone for this shit, right? Everybody got an iPhone 15. I don't know if it's me. Look, I'm played out. you down. Let me say something. You're not speaking. When it comes to technology, I'm under the 15. When it comes to technology, I'm played out. Every time they want a new phone, it'll take me a month to figure out how to take a picture or something like that. Like, stop making these shits, man, because every time they make it, it's like real like... You got the new? You got the 17? Hell no. I'm going to be the last one to get it because every time they bring up something new, I get it and I don't know what the fuck going on, how to do Instagram, how to do this, how to do that.

1:15:24I'm confused. You know, my phone, I just got used to it. And my shit, oh. It's not the 15. No, it's not. I used to have the 15, the little. Everybody had the 15. Yeah, but I really don't want no more upgrades. Nah, man, that shit whack. Your phone is like a computer. You must upgrade. So Bad Bunny at the Super Bowl, he earned it. I hate when they try to make a narrative like, oh, they did this on purpose to fight ICE. That's not true. He earned it. he's the number one streamer. What do you want me to do? If next year they bring the K-pop guys, the guys, I don't know how much I would feel about that, but the K-pop guys, because they broke records and all that, you would have to understand that.

1:16:08You know, they the biggest in the game. The problem is that the NFL have always had like, you know, don't go messing with Cotton Night Joe, Cotton Night Joe, Cotton Night Joe. Don't go messing with Cotton Night Joe. Nobody's never said nothing all of them years. We ain't say shit. We must have seen Pat Benatar 10 times. Cotton Eye Joe. Cotton Eye Joe. That shit, you know. I used to think halftime was only for the Rolling Stones and U2. And I thought it was they had a lifetime residency with the Super Bowl. I thought I'd never see a black guy at the Super Bowl halftime. It's not sweeping. Guess what?

1:16:45Ever since they put the black guys, they've been winning Emmys every year. Guess what? The ratings been up. so you know you say what you want you know what I'm saying and it's become a thing every time somebody does Super Bowl the next week we talking about it was it good was it rated it was you know shout out the whole Desiree Perez the whole Rock Nation getting together pulling this one off because shout out to the Rock I love that Bad Bunny even did it cause Bad Bunny said he wasn't going tour in the United States so I love the fact that he said okay I'm doing it my sister Mary her bag went oh after she killed that halftime she was headlining Essence Fest the next day this this I watched the bag I know what the Super Bowl could do for you Mary J is not today's price Mary's shit went dumb after that tore this this that her shit went crazy wow you heard that That's hip hop.

1:17:50Shout out to hip hop, man. Kendrick is the most viewed. He beat out Michael Jackson. And Mike had that spot for 32 years. Shout out to Kendrick for that. Shout out to hip hop. Shout out to Kendrick. Let me tell you what's crazy, right? You know, I always complain about the planes, even though I go across the world. But for a long time, I was the John Madden of hip hop. I got that. There ain't a highway. Oh, dog. I'm telling you. He never flew. John Madden switched to the train. He never flew. Right? Huh? He switched to the train. He had his own train. Well, I took buses. Nobody know who got their own train, nigga.

1:18:32Let me explain something to you. I never salute the man for that. I didn't know he did all that. I did the bus. I go to New York and Miami so much, I come out on the gas station or the Cracker Barrel. And like, hey, Joe, like I live down the block, Fayetteville, North Carolina. Like, I done did every highway in America. And somebody was asking me, and I thought about it. I said, you know, we did spring break. That changed my life. Recipes, Irv, Gotti, me, and Deshante did spring break. After that show, when they seen the crack of my ass, the album went up 25 ,000 a week like America couldn't get enough.

1:19:08That's when they discovered Joey Crack. They be on Soap Talk, Saturday Night Live. Yo, you believe this guy, Joey Crack? The crack of his ass shows. No, incredible. But the sales, that's how I'm getting in. No, it just went platinum after. American love a fat guy. I don't know why. They love a fat guy. But the point I'm trying to make, man, is we took the bus to Mexico. This is before we knew about Chop on and O. And I was thinking about, I drove through the whole Mexico to get to Cancun. You got to drive through the whole Mexico. I drove through I drove through forests that had elephant crossing she said elephant the sign ain't deer it's elephant right I drove through the whole thing right on the tour bus it reminded me we got stuck up seven times stuck up do you know who robbed us every time the fucking policia pull us over middle of Mexico city, you got to drive through the whole Chia Wawa, you drive through Jimenez, Juarez, the whole Mexico.

1:20:18So they stopped me seven times, I got stuck up by the police. The last time. I just want you to know I'm not pussy. I don't get stuck up. No, I'm just letting you know, this is very foreign to my DNA, to my spirit, me. They keep pulling us over, yo, $100. They sticking us up. And you got to sit there like you pussy and just be like, It's the police, whatever. This last time, we in the middle of nowhere. Some little Mexican dude walks out in the middle of the road. He got like the army suit on. Boom, his gun is taller than him.

1:20:58The man got a girl with him. Now, this girl, she looks like a working girl. That's the nicest way to put it. She got the cheap shoes, the shirt. She's a whore, right? She's with him in the middle of nowhere. Right? Fuck it. In the middle of a jungle. She got the little guy like this. Stops the bus. Yo, they stopping us. We in the middle of the forest. The whore stopped you? No, the cop. Whatever. He stops us in the middle. He got this gun. It's bigger than him. He's a little. He comes on the bus. While he's coming on the bus, he's telling us$100. Right? to Pat. We only got stuck up by cops. The girl's sitting there laughing at us in our face.

1:21:47Like, ha, ha, ha. Like, we're pussy. Like, he's really robbing us for a hundred. She's, ah, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. These guys are pussy, this and this. My man, after he got off the bus, I ran so fast. Slit on my knees. Slit on my knees. I grabbed that Bible so fast. started praying, God, please, yes. And Job was, and God was, I couldn't take it no more. Like, getting robbed by a little dude like this, with the girl laughing in my face. Yo, I couldn't take that shit. I had to, there was nowhere else to go but to the Bible, the good book of God. I went up in there, I started reading that shit, like every single word trying to, God, is this the page you want me to read?

1:22:33Is this 234? Yo, that was some of the most craziest shit. And I'm, yo, that was a tough time. I got one for y 'all. Okay? I got one. Here, take these. No, no, you got to take these. You're going to need them. We drove to Cancun. Listen. No, we drove to Cancun. That's easy. I'm going to tell you this one, you're going to die. This is too many flags. Right? So I remember I used to go to Battery Studio. You went to Battery Studio, right? Manhattan. had to. 20-something street. Man, the inmates fucked your back up for real, man. You keep stretching. Who say that? Yeah. I need to. Yeah. He go nowhere next.

1:23:21Yo, listen. I love massages. I love massages. Right? I love massages. I get massages on the regular. Yeah. Yo, listen. Yo, listen. Yo, when I did my little four months, they told me, yo, the guy in cell 24, before he's a real masseuse when he's home and I speak about, man, who the fuck you talking to? Get the fuck out of here with that. The in-jail house, you can't. I don't give a fuck who you is. Bernie Madoff can't explain that one. He got a nigga massaging him in the jail. That shit over. But let me tell you something, man. I thought about Battery Studios the other day and that's where I met Irv Gotti.

1:24:00One time we both booked the same studio because he was on the other side than me. You know what I mean? They kept telling him, don't be cool with Fat Joe. Don't talk to him. But, you know, when we met each other, we realized we like brothers. Right? But Battery Studio, I had that shit rented seven days a week. If I wasn't working there, Remy was working there. If she wasn't working there, Plum was working there. We just had that shit on lot. And I loved it. One day, I'm in the studio. Right? And Tony Sunshine, don't kill me, bro. I'm in the studio. Sunshine. Tony Sunshine walks in with Big Punt.

1:24:37Right? They walk in the studio, yo, Krizz, what's up, this, this, that, and Punt keeps telling Tone, yo, Tone, yo, Tone, yo, yo, show him the apple, show him the apple, this, this, this. You know, these guys were like crazy, right? So the engineer's a little white boy, right? He's sitting there. They go and they tell him to sit straight. So I don't know what, I'm not in on this, right? So they tell him, yo, sit up, don't worry about it. Pun got this. You're going to be great. This is a guy sweating bullets. He's sitting there. He's scared to death. Tone puts an apple on his head. An apple sits straight, bro.

1:25:12Don't move. If you sit straight, you good. This, this, this. Pun pulls out a gun. True story. Pun pulls out the hammer, right? Yo, sit there. This, this. The kid is sweating bullets like this. I'm sweating, but I'm like, yo, Pun, chill. Like, I'm telling dudes like, yo, yo, yo, yo. Stop playing this, this, that. Pun shoots the gun. So, pun, bah! Shoot the apple. No, the apple falls down, the guy dives under the fucking thing. I start screaming, because you got to understand, they call me the funk killer. Yo, pun, what the fuck? Fuck you, nigga. This, this, I'm losing my mind because of the kit.

1:25:50It was like a prop gun that they used for the movies, but it shoot the shit, sound like he's shooting the block. Bah! The apple fall down. Yo, you know they never let us in battery studio again. I never was able to, I tried two years, three years, four years later. It was like, yo, your money not good here. These guys, we lucky if it was today, that little white boy would have sued us for a billion dollars. Know what I'm saying? But yo, these shit, these guys were too much, man. Big pun with his bullshit. He shot the apple with a blank. Yeah, but he never shot it. It just sound like a real gun.

1:26:26There's no bullet come out of that. You know what I'm saying? It just sound like a real gun. Yo, man, this poor kid He dove under that dashboard, that shit. He dove under that fucking shit. I looked at him, I said, you know, some guys, I say it all the time, some guys you can't. Like, you guys are lucky this guy's a leader. And he's calm, he thinks, he wants y 'all to not go to jail. If Tony Sunshine was the leader, we all be in jail for 30 ,000 years. It's like, Tony, you get fooled with that fucking baby face and that R &B shit? I'm sitting in the Mandarian Oriental one day and the food come and it's cold.

1:27:09He smacks the cheek off the guy, the delivery man. They threw me out of the Mandarian Oriental because, yo, the food is cold. The nuggets is cold. This is something. I'm like, yo, Tony, how you smack the shit out of here? They never let me get back in there for like 10 years. I went back two years, five years. Yo, they was like, nah, Mr. Carter G. And I used to live in there. Nah, Mr. Carter. 10 years later, Miami. The low one in Miami. Oh, I love that spot. I come up in there like, yeah? They threw me out of there for like 10 years. They kept like, nah, you can't come back. Finally, they must have changed the manager.

1:27:48They got me off the list. Now I could go back. But yo, this nigga Tone Sunshine got me in a bunch of trouble, man. And then Mark Sanchez, he caught something. Mark Sanchez? Yeah, he caught that catch-up legend. Mark Sanchez? What'd he caught? He caught that catch-up legend.

1:28:09See, young boys, don't be sleeping on them old dudes. It's vice versa. I learned my lesson. One time I fronted on these young boys. They was about 60 pounds. And they pulled out a gun so big, we got to running. They was blaming the whole, like, I mean, like, You should have knew. You just, all right, this kid's 60-pound flat. He talking mad shit. Big diesel dudes here. They gave him the beats. He pulled out the yalla and let that thing ring so legend. So he's starting with you, but it's the same thing. I'm talking about legend, God forbid. Like, I'm telling you, legend, right? What I'm saying is we should have known a kid is 60 pounds.

1:28:48How you going to start with a bunch of cock diesel guys coming in? You should have knew what he wanted to do. This old man, 69. Mark Sanchez, cocked diesel football player. Kept fucking with the man. He fucked with the man. Did he put hands on him? Yes. The man said he feared for his life. That was deserved catch-up. So the man gave him pepper sprays first. Tried to calm him down. I don't know. Mark Sanchez was just drunk, high out of his mind. He want to start with this old man. The old man tried to pepper spray and back him up. He kept coming. He said, at that point, I thought this guy was like, ah, man, he did something.

1:29:29Some man's 70 years old. He fucked that old man up. He's 70. So how he got hooked? He looked. Now the old man, the old man had that Joey cupcake. He gave him that. Joey cupcake. Yeah, he in it. He in it to the mic quick. He in it to the mic quick. The old man said, ha, ha. You know how you got that thing? I think you're honorary Puerto Rican. you got that I don't bring the ketchup out because I know I give him the ketchup so no sometimes sometimes if you know you might get there's situations we might get out without the ketchup if you got the ketchup on you and not tell anybody anybody who look he got that he got Mark Sanchez to fuck up off him 69 year old man gave him that ketchup legend like that ketchup will save your life it don't look like that for the picture 10 guys beat you up this guy's got 70.

1:30:25Damn, bro. And he got arrested. No, no, Mark Sanchez got arrested. Bro, you 30 years old beating up a 70-year-old? I don't know how to explain that. You ain't supposed to get hawked and arrested, though. That don't go with each other. He in there, he handcuffed to the thing. He bleeding out. I saw some strong 60-year-olds. I ain't never see a strong 70-year-old. Like 70-year-old, the man that got every right to give you ketchup. You know, and I like Mark Sanchez. He's a good dude. He had a bad night. He probably fought with the wife. He probably went around the world three weeks in a row, came home and still got cursed out when he sat on the couch.

1:31:04No food done. He went outside and tried to fuck with the old man. The old man gave him ketchup. Legendary. Tell him, tell your story walking. Anybody could pull that trigger. Anybody could pull that ketchup out and give you the inner tube. And release that air quick. Well, this ain't that. That ain't this. It's cracking kiss, baby. Don't get ketchup from a man that's 76. Don't get... Yo, listen. I mean, I've been seeing a lot of old dudes talking like this social media. I've been seeing a lot of old dudes, hood dudes talking wild shit on their life. Like, they don't realize they 60, 70 or something.

1:31:48I've been seeing them talk crazy. at what point like me I'll tell you the truth Fat Joe I'll tell you all the gangsta stories when I was younger I fought everybody this or that right now my crew gonna dance on you on my security you gonna shoot your face I'm being honest with you shoot your face there's no fair ones there's no one on ones not in the face no no shoot your face he took his face scar face he shoot your face he shoot your face what you think the guy look like born supremacy father for the man gonna take I'm telling y 'all I don't have a problem with it it's legal you want to fuck with me, you got a hammer, you got whatever you got, he's shooting your face off.

1:32:24My guys, they're going to dance on you. Fat Joe, the days of one-on-one somewhere, it's over. Okay, so I don't know what these old dudes are doing. Podcast niggas might want to scrap with you, though. You ain't going to come back out. They're going to get pounded out every time. They're going to get pounded, not by me.

1:32:53That piece is not. It's a level. You know who taught me that one time? I think I want to say Jay Prince told me that one time. I seen him somewhere in L.A. We was chilling Beverly Hills. And I was like, yeah, yo, Jay, you look young, this, this, that. And I was like, you know me. I was telling him about City. He was like, you're not supposed to be in that no more. What you think you got the guys for? you're older now, Joe. You're not supposed to be nah. Guys are supposed to, like, you know what I'm saying? So if you want to invite me to a one-on-one you're very confused. I don't have a problem with sending like, I don't have a problem.

1:33:37Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what are you supposed to do? My days is over, man. And even when I did have one-on-ones, it was actually guys I liked that I had no choice. And I was like, you know what? Privilege giving him the one-on-one. Yeah, because the guy's a killer. We the infamous. So I'm like, yo, alright, we can fight one-on-one and get it over with and keep it moving. If I actually liked him, he was somehow a member. Right? But a stranger one-on-one? Never in my life, man. We beat up this guy. I told you that story about the boxer that we, I hit him with the bottle on his head. I told you that story.

1:34:14I'm not playing. Let me tell you something. My brother, was dead nice with his hands. My brother, Money Man, Angel Carter Gina for everybody in Foss Project. Dead nice. Every time he fought, the whole project would come out. He'd fight. One day, I heard a rumor. He was off the dust. Dude knocked him out. So they telling me, yo, Joe, such and such, knock your brother out, this and this and that. Now, my brother's my biggest idol. Month later, I see the guy they talking about. I go wake my brother up. That's why I don't wake nobody up out of their sleep. If you got beef, don't wake nobody up out of their sleep because they chilling.

1:34:54You waking them up for a problem? They sleeping, chilling in the house. They safe already. You make it home, you safe. I wake up my brother, yo, bro, that guy, man, he outside. They say he beat you up. This is my poor brother, man, such a decent guy. He came out of work. He was sleeping. He didn't want to let his brother down. He throws his sneakers on, his sweatsuit. he come out there with me yo I already know yo I already feel that yo Jada yo Jada I go over there so now according to my brother the guy we talking about snuffed him he didn't give him the fair one right he snuffed my brother that's how it happened and my brother was high on Angel dust but my brother catch him coming out the window duff him boom the dude fall on the floor I'm a kid I'm like 10 years old my brother help him up and tell him now let's shoot the fair one the guy he's fighting is the golden gloves champion everybody know he dead nice now me I'd have hit him with a bottle gave him some ketchup stomped him out with the crew that would have been the end of the conversation right so they get to fighting one on one he knocked my brother down he gave my brother the beats one on one but the whole time I'm walking with my brother I'm a little kid and I'm like yo why you give him the fair one?

1:36:14Why you ain't stomp him out while he was on the floor, June? Why you ain't hit him with a bottle? He was like, nah, that's not me. That's how I get. No, I'm Sorisa. I'm hitting you with a rewinded just for... We're hitting you with a rewinded 10 over your head. I'm not playing with you, boy.

1:36:34You went to Temple? TU? Went to Temple University, yeah. What was that? Temple was dope. That was a good time, too, because I was at Temple right when the roots were taken off. Erica, Jazzy, Fat Nasty, Common, Blackstar. Everybody was there. Everybody was there. I was there for all that. Soul Quarians, D 'Angelo. There was just this renaissance. Free shows everywhere. Every night, Jazzy, Fat Nasty, Five Spot. You would just see real music. That was the best place to be. Ill hip-hop all the time. Shout out to Electric Factory. Jill Scott. Fell in love with Jill Scott there. And we had our basketball team was nice, too.

1:37:12That's when we had, like, Pepe Sanchez, Quincy Wadley. We played Lamar Odom at URI. We played them. We made, like, the Elite Eight. Okay. Live on TV. Coach Chaney? It's our motto. It's T-U, motherfucker. So that didn't really work well for ESPN. It was, like, live on ESPN. They never came back. But we had Coach Chaney. No doubt. We had Coach Chaney. Yeah, those were good years. And I taught high school in Philly for a few years. What was that like? That was dope. That was the best job I ever had. You know, I taught high school in the hood. Explain that to us, just for the love of the kids? Yeah, for the love of the kids, for how important it was.

1:37:48Badass kids, I'll be in Harlem. Yo, there were some badass kids there, too. They got the metal detector in the fucking from first to sixth grade. We had that, too. I had two kids with a loaded gun in my class. Like, I had two kids with a loaded gun in my class. High school. And I looked like I was in high school. I was in my early 20s. They had guns. We had a daycare center. They had babies. like, you know. Kids in the school had babies. Oh, yeah, we had a daycare center. Like, it was, yeah, a lot of girls were pregnant. It was real shit. That's where we came from. So it was like, we were, I was that badass kid.

1:38:18Like, it was, I've been, definitely had my life turned in the right direction by great teachers before. And I was trying to do that. Like, it was, it was beautiful work. It was important. I had really great students. I taught, like, you know, I turned every class. I was a sub, long-term sub at first. And I would have turned everything into African history. And it was, and it was beautiful. It just changed. Yeah, but it's such a lack of that, right? Because right now I just saw they have a museum. Right now when they're trying to like erase African-American history. Yeah, basically make it. They just got the gun that killed Emmett Till.

1:38:53The person who found it is also the guy who wrote the book about Emmett Till. And he says there is no mention of Emmett Till in no history book in the whole school system throughout the civil rights era. or nothing like that. So it's so important to teach African-American history to the youth because we don't know. Like, you know, I argue with these people all the time. Like, you know, sometimes I'm in the car and somebody says something, I'm saying, do you know the traffic stop was created by a person? Do you know the plasma was Charles Richard? None of this shit works if they know what we created.

1:39:33Like the whole hustle of the society and white supremacy, the con doesn't work if you actually understand the role, the contributions that black folks have. And this shit don't start with slavery. If you learn where Greece actually studied, where Rome actually studied, what they learned in Africa, where institutions and mathematics and all these things came from, it's not just like to feel good. It's the actual history is foundational of all this shit. Empires rise and fall. You know what I mean? Like we're in one, that's going to fall. Man, I hope we don't. Not while I'm here. Yeah, but being able to...

1:40:05Empire to fall. being able to, well. Every empire falls. Yep. Like, so you know how we feel like this is America and can't nobody come blow us up? We saved this. That's bullshit. It happened to every empire in the past. Yep. You know, and what's crazy is I just came back on a flight from Dubai with a couple that went to Egypt. There's one place I've never been to that I always want to go to. Yeah, me too. And I was talking to them and they were like, yo, you know, King Tut. Like, I find this confusing. They was like, King Tut is still in the tomb right there. You could see him. And I'm like, how could you see King Tut?

1:40:43Didn't he die like 10 ,000 years ago? Don't he like disintegrate and all that? But the main thing about it was they were explaining that the pyramids were made so that if there's an earthquake, it sways with the earthquake. You can't blow them buildings. them buildings won't fall. They've survived everything. And I've seen they had AC. You know how hot it is? In fucking Egypt? The pharaohs and all, they had AC. They figured out how to make AC all these years ago with a water system and all that. These guys were brilliant. Anomalies. I'm not lying. Google, oh my God, he threw a flag on the plane.

1:41:25My house still, my AC don't work sometimes. How the hell they had AC all week? It has ventilation. They had air shafts. You know what I'm talking about. Talk to them, educator. Keeping it shaded. Keeping it shaded. I mean, these things are temples connected to the star, the constellations. Explain it the right way. Yeah. You made it seem like they got sent you in like we got. They just plugged that shit in, Jada. It's a 12-hole. It's 140 degrees outside. Yeah. There's a way for you to make it cool? They got that adapter. The point is, there's been extra extraordinary intelligence with Africans, African-Americans that they don't teach him.

1:42:13So you're a school teacher in Philly. Yeah. And you're teaching the kids that. Absolutely. Every chance you get. I mean, I'm teaching, I'm showing them, you know, figures in African history, including Kemet, black as they are with corn roads that are the leading irrigators, astronomers, architects, city planners, physicians, surgeons, all these things well before Europe came out of the dark ages. And you just watch your students, just like I did when my dad was teaching this to me, posture change, lifting up, like asking questions now involved. Like it includes me. It's the only element of school that includes you.

1:42:50And it's telling you that you already been here. You already had, you didn't come from the mud. You ain't come from slavery. It's the beginning of nothing. That's the end of something. And our confidence, and it's not just for us. you think, you know, if white kids and everybody else also had to learn that we invented, you can't walk through this country without touching 10 things that an African invented that affects you. Why don't we mention something that come to mind just so, for the kids that's watching right now. Elevator, refrigeration, early cell phone technology, what'd you say, you said traffic lighter.

1:43:25Traffic lights. Louis Latimer and the light bulb, the actual work with Edison when in Lynn was hired to go light All of London. They don't know that. That's right. That's right. Charles Drew. Charles Slatterman, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Life and Medicine. Let's see. What I'm saying to you is, and I was thinking the other day, I said, man, you know, Tupac and Biggie were young kids. Yeah. Right? And. 26 and what? 25? Yeah, but whatever came to their mind, Like Tupac was talking about real shit that happens right now and big too. And so back in that day, right? Cause I was trying to think like, other than his family being Black Panthers and stuff like that, I was like trying to think of him and Biggie.

1:44:10They was talking to him about issues that was happening at the time. And then I thought about, I said, well, you know, we was coming right off of Kara Swan, Public Enemy, Queen Latifah. Latifah, that whole poor righteous teachers, all that conscious movement. So they were more like the lyricists, but they were including consciousness in the music. I see a lack of that, unless I don't know, with the youth today. Like I see a lack of that. You know, at least we caught that in our era, you know, talking about like where he made a song like Why, but Why comes from, you know, he loves the people in front of them.

1:44:51and so it's very important that we teach our history. Why do you think that, do you think we can get that level of musicality back, that level of songwriting where it's about just love and real shit in our community from that entire era? I would say we have to go the way you went about teaching your class. Like when we're amongst each other and you make it sound interesting, interesting and they want to learn, then the posture change. then the music would change. Right. So lead them by example. Maybe a couple OGs need to do something just to see that it is cool, that there is something. But I also believe...

1:45:31In our culture, that's how you start to spread. Somebody's got to lead. Yeah. What I believe is... I don't think it's cool. I don't want to be in our interest. You can't be about money, okay? Because the way hip-hop is fucked up is it just... It went from an art form that was created by poor people in the Bronx. Don't, hey, I'm from the Bronx, baby. We invented this shit. We won't have these couches in this motherfucker without the Bronx. It wasn't for the Bronx to scrap shit. Don't do that. He know I try to pluck it every time. But the truth is, it came from an art form where these people, unfortunately, our pioneers who started this, they never got their money or their jobs too because they did it out of love.

1:46:18And if they would do it 10 times again, 100 times again, they would go in there and party for free again. And so this conscious movement of this time right now can't be currency based because now people is all thinking about, let me get one hit and I'm going to make my money. It's a bag. It's a lick. They're not preserving the culture. They're not so much about teaching the youth or whatever. So it got to be a group of people, a group of people. A collective decision. Yeah, they're saying, we're going to need this example. And you can make money because you're making good music. You can make money, but you don't...

1:46:52Good music makes good music money, but you guys be inventive and creative and have some balls. It might be our job... Yeah? To fund that. It might be our job... Or find it at Lifted Up, have them on... We're going to donate... Give them the platform. We make a lot of money. Yeah. Let's donate some money towards those guys who's trying to give the positive message and ain't making no money. It's not even about the money. Like you said, you have to show them. first hit that is cool and then it well i think what about it also we have to remember and make it on anti-blackness has got to be uncool this like there's how many niggas you can destroy us just killing each other and eviscerating each other and i think it was a young brilliant brother you know vince staples he said in an interview it was good to hear from a young a young artist mouth like the mcs used to rap about having a sling crack right having to be alchemist and create something out of nothing.

1:47:45Having a push dope, and now it's the drug users. Now it's the drug addicts making music about being addicted to drugs and using drugs, and that's a shift because we're all listening. We're absorbing it. Those high school kids are rapping it. We memorize it. You can't memorize your time, fables, or the history, but you know the song. They had a kid out of Philly, Brilliant. Yeah, that kid was nice. All he rapped about was positive. Really positive, beautiful brother. Just gave him two blocks in Philly. Yeah, in that. Two street blocks. Yeah. You know, but that That right there touched me. Because this kid, he was doing that.

1:48:19Yeah, he was. He was one of the few doing the conscious movement. It wasn't enough, though. It wasn't enough behind him. It wasn't enough. He was alone. He was the under, you know. It's more the negativity than him. He was the outcast man in it.

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1:52:38Scott Storch, you know, changed his life. You know what I'm saying? They was raping him. That was the reverse rapism. They had that boy doing all them fucking hits and they wouldn't give him credit. And so Rob Reef, too, though. By the way, the only A &R that I ever got ideas from, one of the greatest, changed my life, made me millionaire, this guy, Rob Reef Tulo, because the other day I shitted on A &Rs. What I don't like is - He's a different breed. He's from that era. Rob was the best maybe ever. And even back in those days, he made sure I got my bread, even if it was a little bit, because they didn't have to do that shit.

1:53:19He was one of those guys. Like, I don't know, hats off to Reef, man. straight up. Let me explain. I don't even want to go there because I don't want to turn this interview into a cap interview, right? But what I can say...

1:53:36Go. Let me tell you something. Rob Reef Tulo changed my life. You know what I'm saying? He heard, you know what I'm saying, I was working with Biggie on a project and he came and divide and conquer. He said, yo, you doing this work with Biggie? I said, yeah, I only had two albums before that. I had no money, no nothing. Flo Joe, none of that shit made money. Sold records, this and that. He was like, y 'all want to give you your own label. He took me to Atlantic and because I was going to put out a project with Biggie, it's the only reason. I never sold, I didn't deserve my own record label. I didn't deserve it.

1:54:11Wait a minute. You had records with Biggie? Yes. Where you at? Under a rock? I'm trying to tell you. No, you gotta. They never came out. That's the Inception. that's the exception of Cap Joe. Because I told people, I was doing a... Man, I don't want to start it. Where are these records? Listen, I don't have it. No, no, no, no. How come it's no, I'm too real? He know I ain't gonna lie. Never. Me and Biggie was cutting records. He wanted me to black Don, I'm the Spanish Don. Some people call it Cap. Whatever. This is crazy. But Rob Tullo, as the A &R of Atlantic, heard that I was doing this project and stepped to me.

1:54:50I was like, yo, you doing? And I'm like, yeah. And he was like, yo, yo, I want to give you your own record label. I didn't even deserve the record label at the time. All the million dollars. I might have had two grand in my fucking bank account. But you had Punt already, right? No, not yet. This was T.S. This is Terra Squad Records, right? Yeah, but this is the beginning. This is before T.V. and Punt. Okay, okay. Or nothing like that. It was just me. I only had two albums. I hustled, and it's the key to success, and Flojo. So Rob came and gave me millions, my own record label, And that's why they gave me my record label because it was like, if Biggie fucking with this guy, Fat Joe's on our shot, you're with Ella and all of them.

1:55:28That was out already. Let's grab him. Right here, that was out. So he was like, no, the momentum, the projection was there. It just wasn't there. You know how we all say Big L wouldn't have died. He would have been the biggest. So I was like projected to win, but I wasn't there yet. And Rob took the chance with me and did that same thing with Scott Storch when he introduced me to Scott Storch. And he was just so talented and I was just like, yo, and I'm the first to go, yo, Scott Storch on a hit record. I just used that tag on a song, he just played some keys on a song, I just dropped with AZ Chike and Baby Tron and I only spanked Nitty.

1:56:05Yeah. You heard the, Scott Storch, what's up? I put that shit on. After that, he had cheese lines outside his thing. But let me tell you what's crazy about you producers, man. Yo, Jada, it's the truth. Scott's too good after I shouted out Scott Storch I'm going to the studio it's Method Man Redman this one that was cheese lines of rappers whoever's your number one rapper it's up Jada was you on the line yes he was he was yo Scott Scott yo what up I ain't seen you over here yo let me tell you something give Fat Joe credit but I set a lot of trends in this game I've seen Scott Storch you know we have it boy and I don't get miss here.

1:56:47Scott Storch is an old nut. I was proud. I was proud. We can't have Scott Storch now. He told the old Scott. No, we can't, but let me tell you something. It's a lot of Scott Storch stories. Listen, so I'm going to Scott Storch? Yo, come on.

1:57:06Yo, that man is Leonardo DiCaprio of the music game. When he tells his story? He got stories. Oh, my God. He lived a life. He lived a life. Did you guys ever, no, a super life. Did you guys ever, like, make a pack so you come see Jada and it's like, all right, I hear this for Jada, but you keep the other pack for Jay-Z. I used to hate these producers. They come in the studio to bring us beats, and they be playing some shit, and they be like, oh, this is for hove. H to the, it's all, H to the. I'm over there trying to make a fucking hit. I got a fucking wrench around my brain trying to crack open or something.

1:57:51Went through a lot of that on Bad Boy with Big. They used to play the beat to say, nah, that's for Big. Why the fuck did you play it for me? Yo, my house is the stuff. If you were wondering... Rock Wild all the mix that were coming to... The shit with Matthew Benwick. They'd be like, oh, I can't really give you that. That's the Red Man. And you'd be like, yo, my man, like, what the fuck? What you giving me? I'm chopped liver. We used to come to the studio. You remember those days, like, in Battery, when y 'all would have, like, album mode, and we used to come and line up. It would be Buckwild, Rockwilder, whoever come with the dats and have to play beats.

1:58:23But y 'all used to have the fucking shenanigans. Like, I remember one time, it was you and Pundit's studio, and I came in the studio to play beats, and it was a hammer on the table, allegedly. So I walked in, and Plum was sitting all the way on the back on the couch against the wall, right? That's what he used to say. and he went and grabbed the apple. He put an apple on his head. I'm lying. I just told the story. Let's see if you're lying. He put an apple on his head. Holy shit. Put an apple on his head. Hold on. Take the fucking time. Take the back. Listen, I ain't spoke to Joe in a minute. He put an apple on his head.

1:58:55He said, yo, Joe, Joe. Joe said, right now, right here? He said, Joe, go, go, go ahead, go ahead. Joe said, nah, we can't do that right here. He said, go, go, go. Joe took the hammer. Boom. And put it like this. They made the fucking, it was an air gun. He made the Apple move. I told that story recently about how he did that with Tony Sunshine today. You know they never put us in battery studios again. Tony Sunshine put the Apple on some young, this little white engineer, and they pundit the same shit, shot it. They never let me ramp at it straight again in my life. It was my favorite fucking studio.

1:59:34Those sessions were crazy. Those fucking sessions were crazy, man. You think I'm capping off? He gets one taken back. He gets one taken back from the car. story checks out he gets his time out and he gets another challenge those were crazy days man but yeah I mean you know they were the fun days see I thought you was a member of Mobb Deep I mean you can say that well the way I looked at it because you got Havoc you know niggas calling that the number one album of all time produced straight up I see lists all the time Infamous Yes. Infamous is. And so you come afterwards and team up with Prodigy.

2:00:13Murder Music. You putting in mean work when came in Murder Music. Murder Music is when I back down. How did you come in when he already has a Dr. Dre? So I thought you was the third member of Mobbed Deep. I swear to God. I mean, yo, listen. I tell Havre all the time. I thank him. And that's a real testament to confidence. He's having. He made a whole sound. So when I got to New York, I was around soaking up all that shit figuring out how to make the drums a certain way like Abba's a mastermind genius we know this you know what I'm saying but you know the connection was through Cypress so it's funny how it worked you know Muggs was working with them all but I came to New York and he linked me with them and they just saw me in New York like just out here dolo still repping Soul Assassins but they were like come fuck with us you know and then I just I was out here kind of by myself so them putting me into the mix.

2:01:05You know how that made me feel? Think of that Marv D. Murder Music is, they already did Hell on Earth. Infamous. That's what I'm trying. I was a fan when I met them, you know what I'm saying? So the fact they let me, and you know how it is, it was gradual too, because they're not the type to just be like, come on in, you're with us. It took a while until I was like, yeah. I went to Raekwon's wedding and I went, you know how you go to a wedding and they give you them shuttle bus? They would sit next to RZA and his wife. RZA turns around I was like, I used to let you, you know. I'm like, work with Ray.

2:01:40Yo, I'm like, you know, some crews, they wouldn't even let you work with each other. They'd be like, yo, he's like, yo, you know, I'm glad we at the wedding because, you know. How do you feel about that? I mean, that's, you know, Rizzo was the boss. That's like you call my outfit a little outfit. He kind of like little Adam Gray. I used to let you wear a pinky in the brain. That shit looking fly right there. But, you know, your brother compliments your outfits, man. You can say something about my outfit, man. It's outfit. See, motherfucker, boy, he won't give a compliment for nothing. God damn it.

2:02:14You give compliments all the time. Yo, listen, but where we was at with Cruz, like even me, right? And I, please, I don't want to start no type of beef. I worship you guys. I love you guys to death. But I'm a member of Digging in the Crates from the beginning. And I remember when they asked me to do our shotcha. LL's I shot you with some of the members was like yo we don't rock with no they was the underground they was underground they didn't believe that it was forbidden for you to do a shingle that was about to blow yeah with my idol LL Cool J I was like yo this is my idol this guy's four time planet they was like they were James they was like strictly underground there's seven members in digging in the crows let's get to it who was it no I can't But what I'm saying to you, what I'm saying is, man, Joe, yeah, Joe.

2:03:09These two to three members know. I think I know who it was. Two to three members. I think I know who it was. It was like, yo, we only rock. Nah, it wasn't show. It wasn't show. I knew who it was. It was like, it's two or three members that was like, yo, we rock with us. And I was just like, I said, look, that was the one time I said, man, I don't fuck. It wasn't Andre the Giant. Leave it alone. No, it wasn't. We can narrow it down. But that record was hard. You think I was born yesterday? No, it was a stepping stone. You know what I'm saying? It was almost like a pop that French Montana. Like, it was a time.

2:03:42Like, I shot to put me on another level. Was that a Chris Lighty? It was Chris Lighty and Track Masters. Yeah, beat. They fucked with me. They fucked with me hard. So they came, they heard my second album. I was working at Battery. It was like, yo, you want to jump on this LL? but I know about you know you working with Prodigy you know I know they must have had some internal talks like yo man we ain't talking about that he made it in he made the shit it was always love Ab always show me love but we kind of you know steel sharp and steel like we gotta shout out my man Keg aka Rockstar aka Tanya Roli cause he put us together that's right and yo you know what's crazy he doing his thing now my god you might have gave him they best record ever do you remember no it's definitely timeless he has a fan he gave me still feel me this is another connection that's crazy look at this remember the beat for bring it on remember the beat for bring it on remember the bring it on beat right bring it on so there was a stretch arm still it was a stretch arm still We balled in and threw that beat in the Cobra clutch.

2:05:01You talking about? And then Stretch came and told me y 'all was asking who did the beat. Because I didn't know y 'all yet. So shout to Stretch. We went up on Stretch. We balled up. Now, what's the real story? This is the last time we ever going to talk about this. Because shout out to my brother, Razz Cat. Shout out to Razz Cat. Shout out to his son. that's Valtor Raskast. Raskast, the legend. Let me say. Shout out to Deidre Moses. Chill out. I'm talking. I got a moment for me. Can I have my moment? I don't want to take my moment and make it your moment. No, no. Let me get my moment. It's a cafe, a coffee you can try.

2:05:40You know what I'm saying? So whatever happened, because all I know, you came and played me some beats. Yeah. I picked that and that. Yeah. Then I got to, you know what I mean? Because it's really you. I took the heat for it but it was really out he didn't tell me what was going on with it we took the heat this is the last time we ever gonna talk about this cause it's all love it was just a mix up man it was a misunderstanding I had love for both of y 'all I still do shout to Rats I just saw Rats last week his kids are killing it it was a mix up it was early in my career and it was like it was a lot of little moving parts and shit that happened, but in the end, you know, I wish it didn't go that way, you know what I'm saying?

2:06:29But then in the end the record we made definitely became something that lasted forever and shout out to Razz too, you know what I mean? It was just a mix up back in that time but, you know, I wish the best for everybody everybody's doing great now. Well, you know what happened to me? Yo. Tell me we on the world. We on the world. Yo, I throw the flag ahead of time. Who beat did he have first? We are the world. Fuji La. Damn. Fuji La was made for me in my face by Salaam Remy right after Flojo. And I'm telling you, I wouldn't have did a better job than Fuji La. But I was in his house in Manhattan.

2:07:07He made Fuji La in my face for Fat Joe. We used to be number one. He said Lauryn Hill came like two hours late and was like, oh, no. Not Fat Joe. this is my shit. And they snatched up that Fuji La. It was made for me. If you listen to Fuji La, it's the same type of drums as Flojo. Same pace and everything. She came and threw that shit in the Cobra Clutch and was like, yo, I needs this. Let me get that batch. I just heard recently you said win or lose was originally for me and Pete. I never told you why. I don't know. Nah, see, this is what happened. You know, when we were doing mall albums, you hit it, can we hear that?

2:07:46Yo, could you play Win or Lose right now? One second, man. Just think about it. Imagine this. We were finishing the Mob album, and when we were doing the album, we would go to the studio and work, but sometimes they would come to my crib, and we would record joints. So that was a joint I had in my crib in the computer. Album was done, and I was like, secretly, I hadn't told you, but I was hoping they would forget, because I wanted to put SP and Kiss on it. And then P came to my crib a week before they were finishing the album, was like, yo, remember that joint? What was that one joint we had in the computer?

2:08:18And I was like, oh, yeah. Damn. But you know what I'm saying? I always thought, what would that have been like, man? Just play it, play it. Imagine, you know what I'm saying? You know he and Joe and Jaden, we don't let nobody finish their answers. I'm glad he said that. I'm glad that was one of the best things you ever said. Y 'all thank you, brother. They need to clap for you or not, man. Yeah. I need to do a clip of like You know what happens is I just be like Ideas come up while I'm hearing them I'm like oh I gotta work on that Put it up

2:09:01Cranky Crocker man Oh you would've went crazy right Imagine that I had the right idea Whoa I went a... You feel it, baby?

2:09:20Another day, another dollar It's about getting ready Hit me a holler My nose running I've been out in the cold Hustle for so long My hands numb I bet I feel that paper Hit my palm It's like all shitty song Time to go shopping for cars, not fashion Our wits be the bomb My clothes Be the same shit that we had on Fuck looking cute Say that for the bronze It's the AJBO. Seat dump and reload. Knock, knock. Answer that. I'm faffing through the peephole. We're talking to pay lawyers so we be dozed. We're getting locked in. I'm slutting late to see yo. You'll be the only niggas you know that fuck they POs.

2:09:54They push our files to the top. We still on parole. We got money to roll. No time for penitentiary. Now turn that on. He was different, man. Peace. If I was you, I wouldn't want to hear that. that's a well anyway that's a legendary song but that definitely got the locks written off we got music to play let's hear this song I'm gonna play low and nice and sweet my man I got the leg right here let's go show us the low challenge we can bake one up though because it's you and I we can just go low how we wanna go you gotta take it easy Wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, wait. We can lean back and go low.

2:10:42Joe, we can lean back and go low. Give us a low. That would be the Matrix. Give us a lean back. You know what I'm saying? It's a little different. If you do that, we out of here. We passed out. We're going to the moon. Show us the low. I'm going to show you. When the track comes on, we're going to get up and try together. But I got to see it first. You guys, you New Yorkers are so aggressive. You gotta show us, and then we gotta try. Guys, you New Yorkers are so aggressive. Yo, come on, dawg. Joe said to me, show us the low. New Yorkers, yeah, show us. Show us the low. Show us the low. We've been bamboozled and hoodwinked over here.

2:11:24We can't agree to anything till we see. Oh, crack. He's right. Let's do a toast for your new song Okay I'll come in birthday Shout out to the Scorpios Salud Shout out to life man Just living life being good people Yes sir You took a sip You can get low You don't take sips If I drink that One more sip you low Let me get one more

2:12:04Let me tell you something. It's going. I'm like the scarecrow. I need a little oil in my joints. You know what I'm saying? I can't get low. All right. I'm going to play this record. So this is me and Diamond Platinum. This is my song, Low. The video is out. It's been amazing. All the love. Everybody's been strong. It's been incredible. And like I say, my boy Diamond's from Tanzania. So I'm going to get into this record right now. Tanzania is the furthest place I've been on earth That's a flight I actually haven't been there yet I know it's a flight I've been there Crank that shit Put it up Get low crack Yo Yo yeah You did it again

2:12:52Talking Your body's calling Telling me to show you how I can make you proud I put it down the right way Yeti slips, make up why I won't try me Slip ways, put your face, get behind me Behind me We'll change positions You'll take a hold on me I'm having visions Of you getting down with me And I know and I know you've been watching me all night If you're moving right I'm going to let you take control. Wipe down for you. Just don't leave me dancing on my own. I'm going to let you take control. And I think you're ready for more. Yeah, now let's get more. Low, low, low, low, low. Low, low, low, low, low.

2:13:50Low, low, low, low, low. Holy shit! Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. See, oh, Lord, if me receive, when you put the bombs, makes the mind, the brains go crazy. Oh, yeah, and you look for she's gonna be, Jesus, I can't. Come come, is in good time for me, oh, you know I'm crazy. For you, I'm ready. By the way, this song is fire right here. Song is fire. Don't let me put it down. Make me happy. Oh, yeah. Tell me how that sound. How that sound. So, Johnny, get, get, get, get, get. Don't let me go. So, now we go.

2:14:34So, now we go. So, now we go. So, can you lift up? I'ma let you take control. Lo, lo, lo, lo, lo, lo. Hey, hey. Hey, hey. Hey, hey. Hey, hey. I'ma let you take control. Woo. Woo. Oh

2:15:48Baby

2:16:02I can't wait to see that live. Let's go. Can't wait to see that on tour. We through the fly. Now we tried, though, Sissy. We tried. That was good. That was good. That's fine. That song is fine. No, that song is crazy. Thank you so much. soul is fire. That sounds like a hit to me. I don't know. And then, you know, with the Joe and Jada effect, it's going up even more. Magnifies whatever. I need those iPhone videos. I need them. No, no. Get her that footage, man. Let her get up the footage. It's so good. That's crazy. That's too good. Let me tell you something, man. I got one more for you, by the way.

2:16:46let's go okay so this next record you went low to the point of where your neck almost hit the floor I'm like what the fuck come on man my fat ass is like low low low low low no no no no Joe stop you did good you did good okay so this next record right here is um this is me Molly and Oxlade again Molly is from Ghana and Oxlade is from Nigeria. So again, I'm just in my bag with my people. So this is called Nice and Sweet and we gonna sauce it up. November 14th is our big day. So I'm about to give it to y 'all nice and sweet. Let's go. For me, I definitely feel incredibly empowered to be doing it my way.

2:17:37Cause literally the day, you know, I had one of the worst, I call it one of the worst meetings in my career, I would say in one day and the next day. Explain that. So I was, I went in with Level Up, right? And so, I'm trying to make this story short. But basically, I was in this, the recording system, the major system, right? I don't like saying the name. But I was in the, signed to the label. And then there was a rotation of CEOs coming in and out. So you all know, like I know, when you have a new system coming in, you have to resell all over again. And that's exhausting. Not only that, they come in with a new mindset.

2:18:12How they want to run. everybody who was there, knew everything. Favorite people. So you got to convince them. I never understood that. Yeah. So you got to do it all over again. Right. So that was my second round of having to do that again. I'm like, man, this is crazy because you already start the process. You already know where you want to go, but I've got to sell the next person all over again. So I had the meeting with the gentleman and with the guy. And then you know, I played him the visual for Level Up, played him the record. I'm like, you know, I think this is going to be crazy. you know I'm feeling real confident and he basically was just kind of looking at me like like oh like he didn't see the vision of what I saw and so I walked out kind of like depleted because I'm like I was so hyped up for this meeting and now I'm about to get this record out and he yeah but it's crazy because the power manifestation is real literally a few weeks before this Russ and I were sitting up late night because I was so frustrated with the system in general I'm like man I can't wait to run my own label one day like I can't wait to do it my way and we start researching like people that own their own labels, women that have their own labels.

2:19:14Like we just start going through this whole like rabbit hole. So then fast forward to literally it's crazy. Like what you say is so important. Like there's life and death in the tongue. So I always say, when you speak, you have a chance to tell your life story, say great things. So I'm like talking, like subconsciously speaking life into what I wanted to do. Literally have that meeting, worst meeting in one day, the next day, one of the best days, because I started Beauty Marks Entertainment, it my own label and my idea was that all the scars you get from the obstacles you face in life are your beauty marks so i was able to look at life's journey and be like you know all that i've gone through that hasn't been so beautiful and felt so ugly and so like uncomfortable when i went through it was they're my beauty marks right so me kind of just like encapsulate my journey but anyways um you know i asked my masters back gave them to me for free then believe like that like that right like that yeah so bitch ass I know who to call I didn't talk for me I'm gonna call Joe Joe let him know let the hammer out get on him no but I asked for it gave it to me for free and then you know I'll never look back and now fast forward to level up is almost four times platinum to date yeah it's a blessing and it's a song it just keeps on leveling up right you know Just recently, it's the song for the Starbucks commercial for the protein drink they have.

2:20:37And there's just been so many opportunities. It started retreading all over again on TikTok not too long ago. Look how God works. Yeah, God is so... As I say, he's a boss of all bosses. So whatever he says is going to be. The CC album, I seen you cooking up with Tiger. Yeah. I seen some footage of him. All our guests, I usually have a song with. I just want to know why he never called me oh listen you say less when I walk out of here I'm going to have a wreck ain't no more you don't understand you don't understand you know cause I flagged you down wait I flagged you down at the Knicks game I said babe Jada's going to go I got to watch it cause you know sometimes you go back to the back but you don't understand like you are like the best you know like I seen you and Tiger cooking that shit was dope I'm like damn I would have been perfect on this show also it ain't too late for a remix it didn't to the second part it's not too late for a remix nah nah call I'm here baby then the second part I feel is one thing I don't like being signed to the majors that all of the hard work everything you show them what you can do why the hell every time you want to release a project it's like you got to keep selling it and keep doing the audition do you not know who we are why the fuck do we turn to like back to star search why don't you make your own independent and hire me for free hire me for free as your CEO and I show you how to do it fuck them man I'm telling you yo we show up I know how to do it I've been green I've been winning winning like I never knew I've been fucking winning independent nonstop that's why the power of believing in yourself is so important right because especially

2:22:48especially when you're in those moments because you know Those are not flags. This is good stuff. Those are good flags for once. Okay, good flags. That's a good flag. Don't worry about me. Yeah, I know. It's a good flag. You know, flags are delusions. You got to gain on the flag. Gain on the flag. Yeah, I got to gain. Okay, we got to gain. You're the first. All our football. You see some talent. Hold on. We going to get into that. Yeah.

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