In short
Conway the Machine discusses Griselda’s origins and growth, his creative process, beat selection, touring internationally, and faith. He also talks about giving back in Buffalo/upstate NY, building Drumwork (artists, releases, and a planned reboot of Drumwork Fest), and his upcoming album via a Roc Nation distro deal.
Guest backgrounds
Conway the Machine is one-third of Griselda and a Buffalo, NY rapper/MC known for stage performance and “beats and rhymes” over gimmicks. He references working with producers including Conductor, Derringer, and Alchemist, and mentions his Drumwork roster (e.g., Skis, Kendricks, “shooters”) and label/merch work.
Key claims
Griselda formed from long-standing family ties (Conway, Benny, Wes, Machine Gun Black, plus others). After Conway was shot, the group focused on business and releasing music. International audiences (even with language barriers) know his lyrics. Beat access/resources improve beat selection; his writing often starts from the beat.
Notable examples
Performing at Webster Hall with Prodigy and Ray; South America shows with long lines; Bogota video shoot amid cartel danger; Mongolia/Colombia tour stories; meeting Alchemist via Twitter/YouTube freestyle; touring Greece and South America.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOConway's Global Experiences
0:46 to 1:10
Hear Conway share his experiences performing internationally and the reception of his music.
“And they have a bunch of GE options in stock.”
Conway's Global Experiences
2:52 to 4:00
Hear Conway share his experiences performing internationally and the reception of his music.
“What up, what up, what up, what up, man?”
The Formation of Griselda
4:00 to 5:55
Conway discusses the origins of Griselda and the bond among its members.
“You know, you do my cloth, I cloth for music, so I follow you.”
Struggles and Success from Buffalo
5:55 to 8:38
Conway addresses the challenges of growing up in Buffalo and their journey to success.
“But it ain't really, like, we ain't really take it to, like, the business side.”
Building Their Brand and Identity
8:38 to 10:09
Conway explains their approach to branding, merchandise, and maintaining independence.
“Like, he just got, like I said, we got our shit in the right people to the right people, man.”
Recognizing True Hip-Hop
10:09 to 14:00
The discussion shifts to the importance of genuine hip-hop and respect from peers.
“So it went from a Mission Impossible to get signed to something like that in Buffalo.”
Memorable Show Experiences
14:00 to 16:30
Learn about the energy and intimacy of early performances in NYC.
“So it was like for me to just, you know, get that love, get that embrace.”
Creative Process and Beat Selection
16:30 to 19:30
Discover how artists choose beats and their unique creative processes.
“I can hit different niggas and get, I got the resource now.”
Writing Lyrics: High vs. Sober
19:30 to 22:30
Explore the relationship between substance use and the songwriting process.
“towards my later stage of my career, it's more like, let me go in the studio, throw that beat on.”
Sharing Opportunities with New Artists
22:30 to 26:30
Understand the importance of supporting and mentoring emerging artists.
“They don't realize smart people use smartphones, huh?”
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Upcoming Tour Plans
26:30 to 28:02
Get insights into the artist's touring schedule and fan interactions.
“Put that shit out this year too, probably.”
Personal Growth and Isolation
28:02 to 28:39
Conway discusses his journey of personal growth and the importance of solitude.
“Just a short-tempered, hot-headed type dude.”
Touring Plans and Fan Interactions
28:40 to 29:16
Conway shares his upcoming tour plans and his love for connecting with fans.
“Yeah, I like to be on that stage and just, you know, fucking with my fans, man.”
International Performances and Cultural Experiences
29:17 to 31:36
Conway talks about his experiences performing in various countries, highlighting South America and Greece.
“you ever been to Mongolia that's when you know crack trying to get the bag.”
Dangerous Situations in Colombia
31:37 to 34:08
Conway recounts a dangerous experience in Colombia and the unexpected hospitality he received.
“We shot the video out there in Bogota and shit.”
Unexpected Encounters and Connections
34:09 to 36:28
Conway shares a story of meeting a Colombian man and the surprising connections he made.
“You should stop arguing with your thing, I go upstairs.”
Exploring New Ventures and Festivals
36:29 to 39:25
Conway discusses his plans outside of music, including a festival and entering podcasting.
“What else you got going on outside of music?”
Memorable Moments and Celebrity Encounters
39:26 to 42:00
Conway reflects on memorable moments in his career and interactions with other artists.
“Well, next time you come to LA, come through and we, we did that.”
Celebrating Hip Hop's Essence
42:00 to 45:50
Discussion on the impact of real hip hop and the lack of authenticity in mainstream music.
“Yo, I never seen a better dude at the Rucker, this, this, that.”
Giving Back to the Community
48:16 to 55:10
Conversations about the importance of supporting the next generation from Buffalo.
“We got to pour it back in, put it back in the pot, you feel me?”
Faith and Belief in God
55:10 to 56:00
Exploration of personal beliefs and the significance of faith in challenging times.
“Well some guys don't wanna pray to it What I'm trying to tell you is I seen a guy preaching in the UK And a man took his time to stop And argue with him That's fake Like this, you preaching fake, you this, this, this.”
Conway the Machine's Insights on Faith and Music
56:00 to 59:40
Explore Conway's thoughts on spirituality and his journey in the music industry.
“But some guy was just arguing with the guy in the UK.”
Transcript
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2:28It's Joe the Don on my mafia shit. You know who it is, your boy Jada. This is the Joe and Jada Show. Every show is exclusive. Every show is iconic. Today, we'd like to welcome our guest, my brother, one-third of Griselda, 100 % of drum work, east side of Buffalo's own Conway the Machine. make some noise. What up, what up, what up, what up, man? What up, man? My brother was good. Man, life, man. Life is good, man. No doubt. I appreciate that. I seen you been over the water crushing them crowds, doing, you know what I mean, getting them bags, doing what we do. How was that? You was in some places I never even, I thought I'd been everywhere.
3:12I was following you, looking at some of those shows, like, damn, where's he? He conquering land for real. No, no question. shit man that shit is unbelievable man like the way that the way that they love hip hop man they tapped into the culture over there is you know what I mean it's overwhelming man the love I felt out there like I was out in out in Colombia I was out in Argentina I was out in fucking Georgia I was everywhere like you said like I was touching land I ain't never thought I'd be and I I ain't think they can they understand like what I'm bringing it to the table with my lyrics. Yeah.
3:51So for the motherfuckers to be able to barely speak English and rapping my shit word for word, dog, it's a different type of feeling. Right, it's timeless feeling. Yeah. You know, you do my cloth, I cloth for music, so I follow you. I follow you, Griseld and the whole crew. Yeah. I can tell you like stages. You like performing. Yeah. That's my favorite element of it. Yeah. Yeah. Watching like dog man, watching DMX, watching Busta, you know what I'm saying? Those definitely two of the top performers. I could just tell they put a lot of emphasis in the stage performance part of it, more than just like the pin, you know what I'm saying?
4:34I just like to go out there and just have like an outer body experience, just leave it all on the stage, man. Word, word. How, for the people that don't know, how did Griselda, How y 'all, did somebody meet in jail? Was it, y 'all grew up? How y 'all, how did y 'all even link up? Yeah, nah, shit, it's since the beginning. Like, since the beginning, like, niggas is family. So it was like, you know what I mean? It started with, like, me, Wes, Benny, and Machine Gun Black, rest in peace. Okay, rest in peace. You know what I'm saying? Then my man Cutter, my man Cutter locked up right now, but he, you know what I'm saying, he started rapping and shit with us, but this was well when we was older.
5:18Like, you know what I'm saying? They was a little younger than me. I was always like the rapper. Like, I've been battle rapping and fucking niggas up since, like, I was 12 years old, 13 years old, in the city, just going crazy on whoever was that guy at the time. They had to see me. So that started with that, and, you know, them boys just seeing me, watching me. You know what I'm saying? Seeing how I get busy, it just turned into, like, yo, something crazy and damn. You know what I'm saying? Benny just started becoming a monster himself, you know what I'm saying? And shit, just, you know, man, we grew like that.
5:55That shit grew like that. But it ain't really, like, we ain't really take it to, like, the business side. I really started trying to get serious till, like, after I got shot. You know what I'm saying? Once I got shot and, like, everybody was home, like, because niggas would never really be home from jail at the same time, too. So, like, Shane gonna be locked up Benny will be home Benny will be locked up Wes locked up you know we weren't really never all on the streets at the same time until after I got shot you know what I'm saying then after I got shot it was just like nah bro let's just you gotta be the one to take us there go crazy just put everything in the inner get you sturdy you know what I'm saying question I have is I've been to Buffalo Yeah.
6:44You know, they still got the Bronx crackheads in Buffalo. Like, you wonder where the crackheads went. They in Buffalo. Yeah, no, it's just crazy. The Bronx crackheads is in Buffalo, right? And I've been there, and it's so hard to get out of Buffalo. Yeah. So to explain to everybody out there, you from upstate New York. That's like a six, seven-hour drive from the boroughs. Yeah. Right? Yeah. How did you have hope? Not only that, how did you really get on from Buffalo? And then the whole crew got on too. Like, how did you think you could make it from Buffalo? Yeah and no. Like, nobody think they're going to make it.
7:26And nothing. Like, niggas don't think they're going to make it to the league. Niggas don't be, niggas, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's crack, and that's it. You feel me? It's crack. The streets, and that's it. You feel me? But I always had the mindset, dog. Just the right people hearing me, I'm out of here. because I just always felt like there ain't too many niggas that can fuck with me. And that was way back then. Like, you know what I'm saying? 96, 97, 99, 2000. You know what I'm saying? Like, and I think it ain't happened for me, for us. I think that was a blessing in disguise though.
7:59You know what I'm saying? Because we was blessed with the journey. We was able to learn. We was able to watch eras. We was able to study film, watch y 'all game tape. You know what I'm saying? See how y 'all doing it. Like you said, like I was saying, like I'm watching Busta Rhymes perform, watching DMX go crazy from the 50 ,000, you know what I'm saying? I'm able to see that shit and learn and able to take little elements from everything and sharpen my blade till it was time. You know what I'm saying? But it's definitely to answer your question, man, it's tough. You know what I mean? I don't really know how we did it, man.
8:35It's just, I think it was just time. You know what I'm saying? Like, he just got, like I said, we got our shit in the right people to the right people, man. And it's just like the buzz. They start just talking. You know what I mean? But we was like, we was getting so, we was just on our bullshit. Like, we ain't want to even sign no deals or none of that. We ain't want to fuck with nobody. We was just like, nobody coming to fuck with us. Fuck it. We doing our own shit. We ain't really signing. But shit just started getting too crazy. like the hoodies and shit flying off the table, the CDs we can't sell the vinyls selling for like a thousand dollars like somebody will buy the vinyl for for fifty and this shit it's on eBay or something for like twelve hundred we looking at this shit like we getting murals painted in Japan and shit Paris it's like this shit getting too crazy we need management now you know what I'm saying at least get some management and you know what I'm saying?
9:33That's how we met Paul and all that, but that's how we really got our introduction in the game, just hustling and making our shit boutique. Like, you know what I mean? It was like we was getting into this stream era. This was in the beginning of that. We like went against that. Like, fuck that. You got to come see me. You can only get it. It's only 187 of these. You know, we have a 187 on the back of the hoodies. So the hoodies is getting marked up, resell. They took this formula from the sneaker game. Took that same formula. Shit, man. We here today, man. You know what I'm saying? Fire. So it went from a Mission Impossible to get signed to something like that in Buffalo.
10:15Once y 'all got popping, the whole Grisella, they was going out there trying to sign your cousins, everybody. Yeah, no. They out there. They been pulling up. They been pulling up because, you know, I'm good friends with Bone Thug. They from Cleveland. That's in the little fervor to get on than Buffalo. And when they started popping, they signed every cousin in Cleveland they ever heard. They liked, didn't like. You know, this industry's the industry. They just pull up once they know. Like Warren G, he got snatched from under, he's Dr. Dre's stepbrother. They went out there and Leo Cohen went to Compton.
10:53You know, that's what they do. They go to Camelon School Street. CX to the Jets. Well, yeah, he wasn't scared, but you got to get it popping though. You got to get it. You got to out hustle. One thing I love about you guys, first of all, you guys get it, right? Everybody don't get it. And the one thing I loved about you guys is, you know, I come from digging in the crazy. I come from the underground boom-batch system, right? But what I love about y 'all is y 'all always invested in your fashion, in your fly. That was a big difference. merch too they took merch to the they duct tape they merged to a Rocky ship and took that shit but my thing is the fashion right so I'm looking at y 'all and y 'all sound beats and rhymes yeah you know that's where we come from that's where we started and then but you guys was like throwing that shit on and all that and I could go to an underground concert today not for nothing they gonna have some bullshit yeah they ain't wearing a shit they wearing whatever you gave them free Def Jam coming out now or something they don't give a fuck right?
11:59And so, but these guys got it. They were like, okay, we're going to be underground superstars. We're going to throw that shit on. And who really started that or that's just what it was? I mean, I was really the, kind of the nature of it in a sense, like, but I think that's why too, like, you know, our music and shit, like the young, the young boys and shit kind of fuck with us and like tapped into our shit too because we able to, they able to relate to us. You know what I'm saying? Like we, we was, outside doing that. We was the niggas who was having the Ava Rexes and shit on, giving them, you know what I'm saying, a little$5 to go to the store or something, you feel me?
12:38So they looked up to us and stuff, and I think it just kind of translated worldwide. Like, look at them niggas, because shit, I ain't that young, you feel me? So young niggas tap in and fuck with me and look up to me like, yo, what up, big bro type shit? What up? So, you know, we be having that shit on man. We be talking that shit, too. That's more relevant, but over them same type of... I mean, I got Conductor in the cut. I got Derringer in the cut. Alchemist. I need a Derringer too, man. I need a couple of Derringers, man. Yeah. Derringer, get that man right, man. Derringer, get that man right.
13:14Diesel. Some of you influencers. You work with a lot of legends. I mean, that's your show attested. You get busy. You get a lot of calls from us, from me. Styles, Kane. Dudes that really do music with substance. How do you feel about that? Because they just don't want to work with some of these garbage. Nah, yo, for me, that's, to me, that's the fucking, that's the award, you know what I mean? That's the, to get my flowers from the MCs and I respect looking at that shit. Like, at the end of the day, I look at myself, I'm an MC. I'm true to this hip hop, this MCing element of it. Everything goes like, I don't know what I'm saying.
13:57I'm MC first for me. So it was like for me to just, you know, get that love, get that embrace. You know what I'm saying? From niggas like Busta from The Chef. You know what I mean? From Starks and them niggas. You know what I mean? From y 'all. You feel me? That's what it is. I remember we had our first show ever. We ain't never sell a record or nothing. We did our first show. We was on tour. We did it at, I think, Webster Hall. First stop was in New York City. And Webster Hall, man. I came to the show with Prodigy. Like, Prodigy was with us. Hanging all day. Shit, y 'all pulled up. Ray pulled up.
14:35You know what I'm saying? Ray pulled up and performed. Like, held us down. That shit was Walt Elba. It was like a real. Hot as hell. I don't think it's been a. It was crazy. I don't know if it's been no show like that in New York City. That feel was tight and intimate since that SOB's. I mean, that Westall shit. I've been to a lot of shit. It's just the love. Like it was graffiti and shit on the wall. I know it was all type of little box cutters and pocket rockers in there. It was about 12 pocket rockers in there. You know what I mean? A couple of butter knives. A lot of MCs that were the greatest in the game didn't know how to pick beats.
15:15You guys know how to pick beats. I won't say their names because they're living legends. I know you're not going to say their names. don't do it but there's some legendary artists when people ask me why such and such ain't blow homeboy was the nicest this and this and that but when you heard they beat selection you know just now we was just vibing to your shit you playing like five in a row all them beats feel like they shooting heroin on the street you know the back room the heels are going down all of them in the 60s nah I feel like that shit come from like you know what I mean having access sometimes when you might have got no access to no fire you know what I mean you making the best of what you got in front of you you know what I'm saying it's like I done been in times like that where the beast was you know what I mean yeah then we got Derringer you know what I'm saying he was in-house.
16:21Like, I'm sleeping on a nigga couch, you feel me? And I'm getting asked that he making these shits on the spot. Now we got Al, we got conductors, you know what I mean? Different niggas. Like, it's just the access. We got the resource now. You know what I'm saying? I can hit Swiss. I can hit different niggas and get, I got the resource now. You know what I'm saying? But as far as like, you know, that's what I put it as to like, you know, what you said. Some are legends and shit. You might not have, you know what I mean, a reach to get nothing crazy. And then you need the money or you're trying to put something out so bad.
16:57Like, fuck it, I'm just going to pick the 10 hottest shits I got right here. Fuck it, you know what I mean? The 12, these 12. What's your creative process like? I know you need some Zop. Yeah. What up? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm just smoking me one. You feel me? And a lot of reposado. You know what I'm saying? Some type of sports, you know what I mean? Presentation on the screen and on mute. Shit, the beat's crazy. That's my style. And by myself, just me and the engineer, maybe one of my mans. That's it. I don't really. I don't need a party. Yeah, and they party. They don't take everybody to work with me day.
17:43I do what I see. I just got to sweep first. Yeah. Know that? Yeah. Same shit like you, but I got to sweep. I got to sweep. Actual sweep? They be dirty in there, dog? Nah, it's just like a foe here. I got to sweep. It ain't even dirty. It's not even on the floor. You got to sweep first before you go. Yeah, I got to sweep. I'm sweeping something with negativity. You right at home or you right at the studio? Yo. I do both. Like a lot of that shit don't even, I don't even be hitting no pad. A lot of that shit. Off the top? Yeah. I mean, I ain't really freestyling. Yeah, I'm thinking of it. I'm giving it thought.
18:34Smoke me one or two. And then I'm like, I might take me a nap. Wake up. Yo, I am ready. Load me up. And then I just go like that. So a lot of that shit on that album, I hadn't even wrote. I ain't write that. write that down. I'm writing the lyrics down now because, you know, I need the lyrics. I need the lyrics. So I got to go back and listen and shit like, damn, what the fuck I said? You know what I mean? Is there a difference from being high, writing lyrics, or being sober? For me, nah. For me, nah. You know what I'm saying? People say they got to be high to write. Do you think it's a difference?
19:12It just puts me in the better comfortable. I mean, sometimes you don't need For me, it's really the beat. Yes. If the beat is super fucking incredible, I don't need nothing. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Because I used to write, and then, you know, towards my later stage of my career, it's more like, let me go in the studio, throw that beat on. I don't even want to hear it before that. Right. Then it just starts. You got new clock. Yeah, I'm just flowing this shit. Like, you know, they asked me one time, and this guy was incredible I was overseas on one of them tours and some journalist from some fucking country out there he said man what's the process of writing and I explained to him that once they put a fire beat on it's like remember when we was in kindergarten and all that and they would make them books that the fucking trees popped out and all that yeah the rhymes just pop out he was looking at me like I was crazy but I realized I was sounded crazy while I was explaining it to them, but that's how it really worked.
20:18When they throw the beat on, you know, to me, the beat tell me what to say. Whether good or bad, happy, sad, party, whatever. The beat always tell me what to say. That's how it is for me, too. I need that beat, and I need to be in a good space. That beat will wake me up on my sleeve. I don't care what kind of space I'm in. If that beat crazy, I'm going to stop on my track. I did a song on my last shit. I was leaving the studio. It was like 6.30 in the morning. I've been in there. I don't know how they did. Like four shits. I'm drunk. I'm on my way. I'm ready to go to sleep. I'm leaving. So the producer came in.
20:55I ain't never worked with this producer or nothing. He just plugging his shit up while he playing in the joint. Let's take a play. So I'm like, I stopped at the door. Like, yo, what's that? No, I had that. And ended up getting on my album. That shit was crazy. That shit was crazy. That's how it works with music. they don't they give us the least credit for it being an art form but it's art it's something that measurement rises you you gotta have it like I tell you all the time this is how we do it it's Friday night and I'm done it fine you go to a party you throw that shit on you rocking I just told Tesla last time you played that at a party all the time, man.
21:44I just told Ted Smoove, he's going to DJ in my house for my birthday. I said, yo, bro, Strictly, Harlem, I want to feel like, I want to thank you. I want, do not play. I need that vibe. Because for some reason, I'm telling Chris today, right? I said, how they was killing dudes in that time, right? Like when you, if you think about when they, the music I'm talking about, you know, you know, wait your time young man or mama used to and you in a club and the beautiful woman they dancing I'm not talking about hip hop how did they get the clapping niggas owe money dudes was clapping over they girls this this like if you think about that time right that's a that's a fact that's a fact you're like how the hell these guys shoot the place up like what I heard yeah they they owed money somebody fuck with somebody girl somebody you know and so they got the clapping but you know that shit make me happy yeah yeah
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25:17You know, what makes you happy, brother? Me? Fuck with my dog, man. No doubt. You know what I'm saying? Fuck with my little bulldog, my little French bulldog, man. other than that being left alone you know what I mean yeah no phone I'm phone at all I'm just chilling I find my happiness doing that when we playing a little 2k or something or in the studio listen a dope beat makes me happy that's right what's going on with drum work we getting to it man I got a You know, Skis, when I heard of Jay Skis, he put out, we put him out. We started him in like 2020, 2021, but he just did another, he dropped like two shits this year.
26:12He tore, he did a tore this year. I got a SK, my man Kendricks. I got a couple of shooters, man. Yeah, nice roster, nice roster. You know, that's beautiful. We got an album compilation, like an album with all of us. You know what I'm saying? Put that shit out this year too, probably. You know what's beautiful that people don't understand is like when God gives you the opportunity to be the first to get on and live your dream out. And then you go back and say, all right, I'm going to share it with you. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? There's nothing like that. Putting somebody on, helping them see their vision go through.
26:53And that's very commendable because you could just be thinking about yourself. You know, I could think of phenomenal artists that we love to death that never put nobody on, meaning rap wise, you know. So when you go out your way to do that, you know, we all get what shortcomings or we all try to help certain people that went bad. You know what I'm saying? But for the most part, that's a beautiful thing to share your journey and your dream with some up and coming artists. Yeah, no, it is. It is. You know what I mean? Especially for me, like, because I was always the type of person, I don't really, like, I don't mesh well with everybody.
27:35Like, I don't really hang around a lot of people. I don't keep a lot of, I keep a small circle. So, you know what I mean? For me to even, you know what I mean? Just open up, pause like that. Like, you feel me? And let people just come fuck with me. You know what I mean? Jump in the back seat, man. Let's ride up there together. is actually inspiring for me. You know what I mean? It's actually doing more for me than them. You know what I mean? Because I'm getting out of my old self. You know what I'm saying? Howdy out of me. Yeah, man. Just a short-tempered, hot-headed type dude. I'm just more patient with things now.
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28:16I know how to calm myself down. I get upset and stuff. So that's why I like to be alone. The isolation. You know what I mean? No doubt. What you got going? Any more touring? What's going on? You going back out? Yeah, I'm about to tour the States starting in November. I think I had a show at the end of October, though, out here. I'm not sure, but yeah, I'm going back on that road. You know, I stay on that road. No doubt. Touching them people. Yeah, I like to be on that stage and just, you know, fucking with my fans, man. You know, taking them pictures and signing 30 vinyls. You know what I'm saying?
28:55niggas with the finals they got apple tags on that's a fact you know where you at them niggas got like 30 albums so they like nah I got a mall machine you know what I mean but yeah I'm going back on road I'm going back over overseas and shit I got a couple of shows out in Greece you know what I'm saying you ever been to Mongolia that's when you know crack trying to get the bag. Well, he go to Mongolia. I had a dude in jail with me, a white boy. You know, it's real racial in jail, but I put him down without crew. Nobody wanted him, but I seen the strength of him. I used to call him Hong Kong's Mongolia.
29:39So one day he comes up to me a month later. He says, hey, boss. I said, what's up? He said, I just realized Hong Kong and Mongolia is two different places. I said, I don't give a fuck. We lucky I gave you a nigga. Hong Kong's Mongolian. I'm going to Mongolia. That shit, that's a trip. Who on that shit? Who's on there with you? The bag is on the show. Who you going there with? Superior. If you hear Fat Joe, you know I hate to fly. If you hear me flying across. I'm flying to Mongolia. It's this shit like eight hours after China or some wild shit. It's a mission. I got to go to Dubai. From Dubai to China, then Mongolia.
30:20You gonna stop in Dubai? Yeah, I'm gonna do it. I'll pick up a couple of you know, bags and then you know what's up, man. You know what's going on. You know what I'm saying? But you know, that's that Mongolia, man. That shit far as fuck. We gonna see what it is. Where you been at where the fans was the craziest about y 'all? Everywhere, nigga. Oh, man. Probably. Somewhere you didn't expect. Probably. Probably in Greece. And probably South America. South America was crazy. It was crazy, bro. South America is electricity, man. It's a whole different type of energy. Shit insane, dog. The line was around two blocks.
31:13It was crazy. I got to go with that promoter, whoever your promoter was. I need that phrase. I didn't do so good. Latino. I'm going to keep it real. That's one of the only places I ain't do good. Like, I sell my shit out all the time. Boy, I went to South America. That shit was light work. But I seen Wu-Tang go out there and that shit was panoramonial. And I was like, damn, I must have went with a whack promoter. No, that shit was crazy. I need his promoter. Yeah, we need that guy. That shit was insanity out there, dog. Wow. We shot the video out there in Bogota and shit. You know what I mean?
31:51We was just out there. That's what we was on. The videos in Bogota, you doing shit. Well, the danger element was definitely profound, though. Yeah, it's heavy. It was in and out. Hurry up, you got that shot. Let's get out of here. Go, go. Cartels over there abducting people and all type of shit. Bogota, the name is Ndike. in Glee Gate. You know in Glee Gate? Right? You want me to tell a story? You want me to tell a story? I got one. So they paid me wow money to go to Columbia. Like wow money. And they did like stadiums and they were empty. They had a little 500 ,000 people. Shit's supposed to have 10 ,000, 15 ,000 people.
32:43I walk in after the second show in a hotel and fly hotels. This guy blew the bag. And I see his workers just looking like, man, nervous and shit. You know, people who are being nice to me and all that. And he was over there talking to them like this. I walked over. Said my wife upstairs. I was like, yo, what's up, papi? He said, what's up? I would like to take a bat with nails in it and put it in your ass. and turn it inside. Said, Father Rockets. So I'm like, take a bat with nails and turn it in your ass. I want to hang you. Upside down. He started talking all his hopes. This is in Columbia? Columbia, right?
33:35So I get it. He lost a super bag. With just what he paid me, then he had to rent stadiums. He thought Fat Joe was going to be pandemonium and shit was light work, right? So he talking crazy Tony Montana shit, but I tell him, when he finished, I say, yo, you know what, man? You missed your calling. You should be in Hollywood writing them scripts. That's scary, my man. Because the shit you saying, no, I'm not going to lie, shit phenomenon. Like, you got that shit. You know, but me, I don't give a fuck. I'm not really scared of you, my man. So it is what it is. You should stop arguing with your thing, I go upstairs.
34:15The next day, we go to Medellin. My daughter grew up with a little girl since they was in kindergarten. Her father comes to school and all events. I know him, Colombian man, dressed nice, nice, most decent guy, this, this, that. He invited us to his house in Medellin. So we got four cops, our security. We get to the block, to the hill, because it's up on a mountain. And it was like, big mistake. You're not going to... I said, yeah, I'm going up there. He was like, no way. No way. I'm like, senor such and such is my friend. He said, he's your friend? I said, he's my friend. We go up there. Bro, they made...
35:01I don't know if you know what Sancocho is. they made a pot of Sancocho soup. This shit was like a human could fit in there. They was like this. Then they had a living room. A living room where the glass opens you wasn't with us ass? And the horses was doing pasafinos. Them horses you see with the tricks and this and this and that. They was in the living room. Man, they had a swimming pool, the horses. They was swimming and shit. In the living room. So imagine how we watch NFL, they got the horses topping, doing this and this and that, right? I never seen no shit like this. I've never been a part of this.
35:39I get back to the hotel. The promoter dude just told me he wants to shove a bat in my ass, flip me up, sir. Fat jaw. Why didn't you tell me, you know, Mr. Maldonado? I said, I didn't even know he was that dude. He's in Miami. undercover nicest guy. Seeing him at school. He looked like ghosts. Like ghosts? He was the Colombian ghosts. When I go over there, he was like, why you don't tell me? You know Mr. Maldonado. I said, this is my guy. It's my... Sorry for everything I said the day before. I'm so sorry. I said, nah, nah, it's all good. Brother, it's all love. And I happen to know the guy by mistake.
36:30That's my Columbia story. How's it doing? How's it going? How's it going? How's it going? How's it going? What else you got going on outside of music? I know you like the, I know you like the, you got the label, you do the merch, you do shit, you got any cannabis, you got, you got some cannabis, we got some, we got some drum work, exotics. You know what I'm saying? We got, I'm writing a little short film. Fine. I'm about to, I'm about to dabble in the podcast space. No doubt. Why not? I got, I got, I got, like some full shit, like full review shit to another little space like that. And just getting more artists.
37:10You still a foodie? Yeah, yeah. Only certain shit, though. I don't really eat anything, though. You know what I mean? A certain way. Yeah, I'm gonna fuck with it. I'm gonna fuck with it. You know what I'm saying? You know, I went to Thailand. We did Rolling Loud. We did Rolling Loud in Thailand. Thailand. I was like, do that one. That's the only one I wanted to do that. Right, but listen, it's a little bit of a culture shock or whatever, but the point is I stood in the hotel. I was scared. I'm going to keep it real. I don't think I like them, you don't know if it's in I was in the fanciest hotel you could be at, man.
37:47This shit was incredible, but I was scared to eat. Like, if it wasn't like eggs and turkey, I was not eating this shit. Sure enough, I go on Instagram and little Uzi is eating like a fucking fried fucking roach or some shit. That shit went viral. I said, I am not leaving this fucking room, B. I'm sitting here watching CNN till I eat. Regular shit at the fucking, listen, the hotel was out of control, Fly. You know, I'm sitting at my sweetest here, Cardi B's here, Lil Uzi, like everybody was somebody. So the shit was too fly. But I was scared with no disrespect, I was scared to like trash it, like go in the street and...
38:34You still got your festival? Yeah, I still got the festival. I mean, that shit was crazy. That's the whole festival. Drumwork Fest. We did it for a couple of years and shit, we gonna reboot that. Probably bring it back 26. 26. I'm up there two, three weeks from now and Buffalo's God coming through, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, same thing. Hip-hop, you know, your kiss, you got to stop. God's coming through. My man, shout out to my barber, Shoulda Went to Heck. You know my shit's symmetric. My shit, you can look at this shit through deep from every gang. You see what I got to deal with?
39:17But Shoulda Went to Heck, his wedding is that same day and I can't make it because I got that show in Buffalo. It was a time, but shout out to Shoulda Went to Heck and his wife to be. how'd you meet Alchemist just on Twitter like he heard something once I don't know you can spit he didn't reach out to you that's exactly what I've been like he he tight ass I got like a people was tagging me he didn't even know my Twitter handle I didn't really have no many followers or nothing I just started the page and he was he seen a freestyle I was saying I was on YouTube like yo you crazy DM me the number like yo that's late.
39:54Well, next time you come to LA, come through and we, we did that. And the rest was, rest was history. That's fine. Love Alchemist, bro. I'm glad everybody, you know, he always was that dude, but I'm glad they acknowledging it now. And they see it in his greatness, you know, you know, guy like Alchemist, quiet, real hip hop. Yeah. And now he doing Erica Badu album. I listened to the Freddie Gibbs album. I listen to, you know, pretty much anything he got to do with. I tune in on Alchemist. What was some big moments for you? Like, who did you meet? What was the time that someone came up to you and just said, like, you guys?
40:40Oh, man, probably, probably whole, probably whole, we was doing that show out in L.A. And he pulled up. Yeah, he just pulled up. Like, they was at a game or some shit. He crossed the street at the stables. And the nigga just pulled up. Watched the show. Like, I'm performing. I go for a towel. I look up. He's standing there on the stage just watching. I'm like, yo, am I bugging? Nah, you was bugging even though it happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was bugging. I was bugging. I mean, I invited him to 36 birthday parties. He ain't never put luck. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that nigga KD. You know what I'm saying?
41:21and that nigga pulled up to a show. It was tapped in, just like knowing the music. Easy Money Sniper. He love hip hop. It's a hip hop level. We got some dope beats too. Yeah. KD produced. I ain't know that. Yo, KD? KD one of them dudes that if I big him up, he'll diss me on Twitter. You know, I keep telling you I got certain guys that when I big him up, they'll diss me for the culture. They'll be like, yo, Craig. For the couch. I don't really know about that. It's like, I got a selective list now that I can big up. You can't even big motherfuckers up, 2020. Go big up, KD. Man, that's my boy. Trying to tell you, I big him up.
42:01Yo, I never seen a better dude at the Rucker, this, this, that. Cat, crack, that day. I'm like, yo, this guy. Like, I can't. I don't know, man. We in the media space now. Yeah. So we ain't in the rapper space. You got the hoodie on still. You chilling rapper. We out here talking to dudes. sometimes I big dudes up and they come at me like fuck that that's not how I remember my man I big you up dog like what the fuck so KD I remember that Jay Z you know what I mean yeah that went viral when I all pulled up your man Westside Gun man I love this guy man I remember going down Times Square and he had the whole the big billboard, but he had the Balenci...
42:51Like, that motherfucker, he want a dress, right? Like, I love that shit. Like, he got that fucking Balenciaga three-quarters shit on this with the... I'm like, I had to step out the car because, you know, that shit hit my... But that's that shit right there. You know what I'm saying? So, shout out your man, Westside Gunner. Benny, you guys, you know, pretty much, you guys just restore the feelings. Right. A void that was really, really missing. And even guys who felt like you, who were nice like you, they chose the other route trying to be the gimmick or the new or the this or the that. Microwave shit.
43:34Microwave shit. And y 'all just said, you know what? We're going beats and rhymes. And and then you caught everybody like a hove that loves real hip hop, the essence, the purity. because it's very rare with the youth to see somebody, because that is the harder route, the beats and rhymes, correct? Yeah. Because the overnight success is the gimmick shit. You understand what I'm saying? But, you know, not to say some of them ain't nice. Oh, my God. Some of them, you know, they... Not too many. Overnight is not too many overnights. you know but that's what we feel like there was a huge void there you know what I mean and guys who were doing what you were doing never really took off and so when y 'all start taking off and y 'all start creating your own shit we're loving that yeah
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45:23Data plans sold separately. 5G where available. Ugh, the washer won't start and the laundry's already piled to the ceiling. Hopping on grandappliance.com. Great idea. I heard they have next day delivery. Uh-huh, I'm seeing that too. And they have a bunch of GE options in stock. Ugh, that's great. We've always had good luck with GE appliances. This one looks perfect. Scheduling for tomorrow. Gosh, Grand really makes it easy. Another crisis averted by the team at Grand Appliance. Visit GrandAppliance.com today. Grand Appliance, appliance experts since 1930. I'm Nick Turturro. You probably know me from NYPD Blue, The Longest Yard, or Spike Lee's Black Klansman.
46:02But I'm also from Queens, which means I know pizza. And on my new podcast, Delivering Happiness with Nick Turturro, I deliver pizza from Prince Street Pizza to a new guest. Are you delivering pizza now? Then we sit down for a real conversation. I've shared a slice with everyone. From Seth Rollins. What are you doing with my belt? To Alex Rodriguez. Just to let you people know, we're talking to one of the goats here. To Bill Burr. I don't think I've ever met somebody so exactly out of their mind as I am. And now, we even have more great guests coming up, including the great John Turturro. It's called happiness.
46:35Delivering happiness. Mariano Rivera. Oh my God. And many, many more. Open your free iHeartRadio app. Search Delivering Happiness with Nick Tutoro. And listen now. Legacy, where you see yourself drum work with Zelda in the next five years. Oh, man. Rich like y 'all. Oh, man. Rich already. Rich already. I count everybody pockets. Hey. You come in with a staff. Whoa, whoa, whoa. He come in with a staff of five. I count everybody. He got the bucket low like, fuck it, though. He got some money, this guy. How important is it to give back? You know what I mean? Showing the younger, what they call these guys, the Y-Ns in Buffalo that, you know, you can make it.
47:28It's some hope. Yeah. Some sense of encouragement. It's extremely important, man, because especially coming from Buffalo, we ain't had that. We ain't had nobody to give us no advice, no encouraging words, or even show us a blueprint on how to, you know what I'm saying? Make it in that space. So it's important, you know what I mean? And that's what this is all about, you know what I mean? You can't take none of this shit with you, man. But you're going to leave it here. You're going to leave a lot here. Get back. So I don't want it to end, you know what I'm saying? what we was able to accomplish for the city of Buffalo and the whole upstate, you know what I'm saying?
48:12I don't want it to end with just us. So we got to, you know what I'm saying? We got to pour it back in, put it back in the pot, you feel me? Yeah, like I said, I seen Wanda, I seen Tyrone, I seen Junebug, all the crackheads from 88 up there in that Buffalo. Them motherfuckers went up there, they shipped them up. I'm telling you. I was outside in Buffalo I said god damn got the fucking Bronx crackheads up here so let me ask you something in the streets perspective right because you said one of y 'all was always in jail I never heard that perspective so being from Buffalo and upstate the cops and all the jails yeah but all the jails are up there right and so like when you go you got a bigger crew I wonder if they send them down cause they sitting us up there this is the question do you go to jail upstate with everybody you grew up with so are y 'all like deeper yeah it'll be a lot of buffalo niggas in upstate pens and even the cops like here we can't relate to them right so if you in Rikers Island you got some black Spanish cops they talking to you like black and Spanish cops then you go up north and that's when you're dealing with the KKK and all that shit.
49:34But y 'all already dealing with them. Y 'all live in Buffalo. Y 'all know who Uncle Tom is. No, that's a fact. 100%. Every time I went upstate to visit somebody, I always thought of like, is there like a Buffalo crew or upstate crew? They right there. They across the street. Nah, I don't want to go there. Don't do that to me. I'm not good with the cold. I'm a sunshine motherfucker. That below zero. My brother did Time Upstate. Man, that motherfucker. I don't give a fuck what clothes you sent them. That motherfucker was cold. He be like, yo, Joe, I ain't go outside. This shit cold. For real.
50:20A couple of artists. You ain't got to say top five, but a couple of artists that paved the way for you that you consider living legend? You know, you really fuck with they work. There's plenty. You know what I mean? I'm just like recently, I'm going to say my nigga Morris, Rock Marcy. Yeah, shout out to Rock Marcy. I'm going to say my nigga Sauce Walker. Sauce Walker's nice to you? I fuck with Sauce Walker. Hey Jada why you always act like I'm I'm just saying that's a great I like him I like him I like I like G Herbal Herbal is my nigga Can't lie to you just had a show in Vegas When I walked off stage they played the record And I had to ask like four or five I said who's that Who's that who that and then it was like yo that's G Herbal I was like Herbal like that Herbal's nice Herb Nice That record kind of like Touched the third rail Yeah no Herb Nice Every now and then The record You hear a song And that shit Touched the third rail Yo this shit Crazy Yeah That shit guys Yeah right now That's why I'm Listening to What I'm fucking with Right now You know what I'm saying Yeah Listening to our clips You know You know The tip You know Shit that's out right now You already know That niggas Jerk me You're supposed to go to that show.
51:54James, you caught me by everything else. You ain't tell me the Clips was here too. I was sitting on the couch. I was doing absolutely nothing. You sent us all these group texts to all these shows and they're telling us that. The Clips, bro. You think we wasn't fucking pulling up? You got to be out of fucking... Like this shit. I wanted to be in attendance. I don't want VIP. I would have been right in the crowd loving this show. Real hip-hop shit, James. You see when I say they be trying to do shit to me like I'm trying to go to the I'm going with the family to the Bad Bunny concert and I got the call I ain't really want today even though it's nothing but love but I got the call yo we don't want you to see people we're going to take you through the house where you get the free drinks with the I thought we was going to be in the crowd like you know EIP VIP they don't want it we supposed to pull up at the place they ain't letting you see humans nah they ain't letting me see humans you think I be joking about that shit They just gave me the call.
52:55Urge of coming. No humans. No humans. We're going to slip you in backstage, put you through the... I'm like, I thought I was going to really act up. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, the Clips. Clips album is... Clips album crazy. Man, I hope what they did just beats and rhymes, continues to do the numbers they did. Now, everybody want to make up hoax and this and that. Them boys did numbers. know what I'm saying for not commercialized like you guys you'll ever do a song with like Selena Gomez and shit like that I would love to I can't wait till are you ready yeah I've hung out with Dora Leep a couple times I definitely threw that on the table with my man Clovis like yeah man we gotta get in that studio together you know what I'm saying I see it I see it.
53:51You know me you know I started Underground Brother and my dream was to be a big artist and a superstar and the minute I got the opportunity I did it. You know what I'm saying? You know I get it. I see what you're saying. I'm gonna fuck with that. Everybody don't fuck with that. Everybody don't. The goal is to not get the fuck out of here. So you got the new album in the distro deal with Roc Nation. Tell us about that. Bagalicious. You can't kill God with bullets. I'm about to drop that shit, man. Like I said. You can't kill what? You can't kill God with bullets. These titles. It was important for me to do.
54:38Had this a part of my chapter to be fucking with Roc Nation. You know what I'm saying? Bring my album. Bring my business over here with them. You know what I'm saying? Distro deals. Yeah, shit lit now. Shit lit. You know what I mean? BTC, man. Belt the culo. Oh, Jesus. What about giving belt, man? Belt the culo, nigga. BTC. You know what I mean? Not surprised I didn't think of that one, right? BTC, papi. We going to whip your ass. For real. How's your relationship with God? The most high or, you know. Yeah. God is the greatest, man. Yeah. God's the greatest Say it for the guys in the back God is the greatest man Say it for the back of the congregation You know I That's how I feel Right so If God forbid I got shot right now And I got five seconds I'm praying to God That's how much belief and faith I have in God Who else you gonna pray to?
55:38Well some guys don't wanna pray to it What I'm trying to tell you is I seen a guy preaching in the UK And a man took his time to stop And argue with him That's fake Like this, you preaching fake, you this, this, this. You know, it's good to see because I've never seen that before. I've never seen somebody, you know, have that energy and that perspective against God. But some guy was just arguing with the guy in the UK. He was like, hey, God told me to tell you he loves you. This, this, that. We don't care. We about, you know, there's an opposite side of that. So, you know, to know that God is the greatest, you know, is the greatest key to have.
56:17I mean, for me you know what I'm saying? God is everything to me but it's hard for the great dude this guy crazy that was beautiful y 'all think I'm crazy he witty like a now I know why you top 5 cause you be shooting me every episode like this hey Joe What about them legs? I'm looking at this guy. I'll have to get you a disjoin' me. I'll have to get you a leg deal. I'll have to get you a deal. Then what? $100 million for the calf. Nah, this guy's insane. But brother, man, we'd like to thank you for taking the time out. Check it out. Look for it. He down with Roc Nation Distro. Drum work is coming.
57:16Yeah. Rizelda's already here. I know what we doing. Yeah, yeah. Fucking shit. BTC belted cooler. I got to tell you, we sit down and thank God a whole bunch of artists want to sit on the blue couch. Yeah. And my business partner, I got to say, y 'all think we doing good and Fat Joe crazy. but this guy, he's very selectful with the artist to sit on the couch. He got a problem. He turns down. Guys, this big. And your name came up and in one second, he was like, yo. Bitch. 100%. Like, we need to react. You know, me, for a guy like me, I look up, I don't even say nothing. I don't think that ever happened when someone is mentioned and he's like, Y 'all, one million percent.
58:12I just look up. Okay. Stay down. I guess we got him on the show. Because he got him cosign. Woo! He's a hard one to get. Everybody come up. Same thing with him. Yo, don't say nobody's name. Yo, kids. He ain't shit, man. Let me tell you, y 'all think he's a nice guy. This guy's a diabolical boy. I just be like, you know, Listen bro We just want you to know we love you Your contributions to the game Ladies and gentlemen make some noise to Conway the Machine You heard Love
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Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by Griselda's Conway The Machine. Joe and Jada ask Conway about him, Benny The Butcher, and Westside Gunn making it big out of Buffalo, how Griselda managed to cut through the noise of the hip hop industry with straight bars and beats, the time Jay-Z surprised him on stage in Los Angeles, how he first linked up with rap producing legend Alchemist over Twitter DMs, and his upcoming album 'You Can't Kill God With Bullets.'
5:00 - Origins of Griselda
11:00 - Bars & beats over gimmicks
34:00 - Joe's WILD Colombia story
42:15 - Jay-Z surprising Conway on stage
58:00 - New album with Roc Nation
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