In short
De La Soul discusses their new album Cabin in the Sky (Legend series on Mass Appeal, executive produced by Pete Rock), the legacy of their music, Native Tongues origins, working with producers/peers, and the business/label fight after Dave’s death. They also talk about rap camaraderie, touring with groups, and how they avoid recycling sounds.
Guests (people featured in the episode)
- De La Soul (the group; members referenced include Posdnuos/Merce and others speaking as “we”).
- Nas (mentioned as part of the Legend series and a feature on the album).
- Q-Tip (mentioned as a close friend and as part of the episode’s context; also referenced as having a studio).
- Fat Joe (host/interviewer; Joe Cracked at dawn / Joe and Jada show).
- Mass Appeal / Pete Rock (executive producer; referenced directly).
- Sean C (mentioned as a collaborator/friend).
- J Dilla? (not present; no).
- Black Thought, Kamin, Kill a Mike (named as features on Cabin in the Sky).
Key claims
- Cabin in the Sky was assembled from existing sessions plus new work to meet the Legend-series deadline after Dave’s passing.
- They prioritize quality over quantity and refuse to duplicate past hits.
- Native Tongues formed from shared “language”/kinship; Av/Tip proposed the name.
- Label deals can be exploitative; they fought to secure fairness and masters.
Notable examples
- They describe Dave pushing for harder takes in the booth; they cite “quality for us always over quantity.”
- They recount Native Tongues forming after Tip suggested a shared-name project with Av, Dave, and others.
- They mention touring “jittlin circuit” venues and low pay early on.
- They discuss disputes over publishing/accounting and reclaiming rights years later.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Impact of De La Soul
4:20 to 6:40
Discussion on the legacy and influence of De La Soul in hip-hop.
“Believe it or not, you know where we from, we pay home.”
Reflection on Loss and Tribute
6:40 to 8:00
Exploring the outpouring of love following the death of a peer.
“I know we love you too, but I've just got to, I got to explain it to you on a, there's different explanations.”
Creating 'Cabin In The Sky'
8:00 to 12:19
Insights into the process and emotions behind making the new album.
“Like, they was like, yo, man, y 'all was going through your situation with the label and all that.”
Quality Over Quantity in Music
12:19 to 14:48
The importance of making meaningful music and collaborations.
“that Outsiders movie back in the day where the Matt Dillon niggas like, yo, we got to do this for Johnny.”
The Legacy of Native Tongues
14:49 to 16:51
Discover the origins of the Native Tongues collective and its impact on hip-hop.
“The thing I love most about Chalk and something I tried to do throughout my whole career.”
The Early Days of Hip-Hop Live Shows
16:52 to 19:10
Explore the hustle of early hip-hop performances and the economic realities of that time.
“Nah, because I remember me on the block listening to all that shit.”
Sneaking into Shows and Ticket Prices
19:11 to 21:04
Hear about the extravagant ticket prices and the lengths fans go to attend shows.
“I was going Fayetteville, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, one day.”
Friendships and Collaborations in Hip-Hop
21:05 to 22:50
Listen to the bond between hip-hop legends and their collaborative spirits.
“That's why they make it a certain price.”
The Importance of Features in Music
22:51 to 27:37
Understand how features shape albums and the dynamics of artist collaborations.
“coming up in the game because I feel like that was the same time coming up with your tribe.”
Chasing Collaborations: The Story of Fat Joe
27:38 to 28:00
Find out about Fat Joe's experiences pursuing collaborations with other artists.
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Nostalgia and Personal Stories
28:00 to 29:37
Discover heartfelt anecdotes about Biz Markie and personal experiences with hip-hop culture.
“No, it's just sometimes I don't want to do it.”
Nostalgia and Personal Stories
29:41 to 30:46
Discover heartfelt anecdotes about Biz Markie and personal experiences with hip-hop culture.
“You can bet NBA games any night on the app and if you think you know the future script for this season, lock in your future bets.”
Nostalgia and Personal Stories
31:48 to 32:53
Discover heartfelt anecdotes about Biz Markie and personal experiences with hip-hop culture.
“This information is provided by Lilly, a medicine company.”
Nostalgia and Personal Stories
32:56 to 34:33
Discover heartfelt anecdotes about Biz Markie and personal experiences with hip-hop culture.
“So whether you're using it for the next level creativity, never-ending productivity, or the entertainment that has for you on the edge of your seat, this laptop is your MVP.”
Misunderstandings in the Industry
34:40 to 36:00
Listen to stories of identity confusion in the hip-hop industry, weaving humor and nostalgia.
“Yo, Joe, you don't remember when I first met you and we have been here in showbiz and AG like Andre the Giant.”
Navigating the Music Business
36:00 to 41:20
Gain insights into the challenges and experiences of maintaining integrity in the music industry.
“Fat Man Scoop said that he saw me battle some guys.”
Learning the Business
41:20 to 42:00
Explore the importance of understanding contracts and negotiating in the music industry.
“where it's like someone is trying to do wrong by you.”
The Business of Music and Exploitation
42:00 to 44:40
Learn about the exploitation artists face in the music industry and the importance of fair deals.
“And since he taught me that, I've had no headaches.”
Personal Experiences with Jerking and Deals
44:40 to 46:40
Hear personal stories about being taken advantage of in music deals and the fight for fairness.
“and to your thing, I just did a deal, right?”
Navigating Relationships and Revenge in the Industry
46:40 to 50:00
Understand the complexities of relationships in the music industry and the consequences of betrayal.
“Whenever the jerking story, I got a brother right now dealing with Jelly Bean.”
The Future of Performances and Group Tours
50:00 to 52:50
Discuss the potential for future performances and the dynamics of touring as a group.
“I had nothing to do with that, but I'm just saying, like, you got to be very careful out here in these streets.”
Reflections on Age and Longevity in Music
52:50 to 56:00
Explore the themes of age, audience connection, and the longevity of artists in the music scene.
“I just love to see dudes who can, you know, regardless of the age or whatever, man, who know how to command a stage and do what they need to do.”
Reflections on Drinking and Parties
56:00 to 57:29
A humorous discussion about past drinking experiences and the dangers of partying.
“Yo, that motherfucker won his poster signed of 89.”
Introduction to 'Cabin in the Sky'
57:29 to 58:14
An introduction to the Cabin in the Sky project and its associated artists.
“But yo, don't ever get it misconstrued when you see us coming through with them date gold colors.”
Run It Back - Performance
58:14 to 59:41
A performance segment featuring a rap about the themes of the album.
“I'm a rap on the line and the math are the signs that we make.”
Special Features and Collaborations
59:41 to 1:01:11
Discussion on special contributions to the album and notable collaborations.
“I know your heartbeat is running fast after running back.”
Debating Music Criticism
1:01:11 to 1:02:34
A passionate conversation about music criticism and the validity of opinions in the industry.
“You know, you guys got John Esposito on his shit.”
Transcript
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3:20fat. I was like, oh.
3:35What up, y 'all? This is Joe Cracked at dawn. It's your boy, Jada. You know what it is, the Joe and Jada show. Every show legendary, every show iconic. And we haven't let you down yet. Today's guest, when you think of hip-hop royalty, when you think of somebody left their phone on, kick them out. When you think of bars, when you think of camaraderie, when you think of loyalty, when you think of standing ten toes down as artists to fight for your rights, even when it's not looking good, but just that you just stay down. Without further ado, ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for De La Soul. What's up?
4:21Thank you.
4:26First of all. Brothers, wow. Peace. Believe it or not, you know where we from, we pay home. In case I lose my section, Nate.
4:42In case I lose my section, Nate, I need something to fall back. You know what I mean? That's a big deal. You guys out there don't know. It's a big deal. Soon you'll know. And those is dead stock, too. You know what I mean? You ain't got to worry. And they know old eighties and those came straight out the box. There you go. DS. And they like a rim ring. Now, them shits is legendary right now. There you go. Peace, brother. I love you. Go ahead, Crack. What I was going to say is. Thank you. Believe it or not, we like to call this show the Rookies of the Year, whatever. but we try to play him humble to everybody before us.
5:19But God damn it, we on fire. And names keep flying through. And I don't know. It's not enough time. It's whatever. All I know is the second De La Soul was mentioned, the whole room was like, yes. Hell yeah. It was not even a discussion. It was like, oh, no, we got to happen. And that's not really happening for everybody. You guys, I don't even know how to describe it to you. You know, you guys are probably not really older than me, but you came in the game before me. So I look up to you guys. Like, you guys paved the way for all of us. Like, y 'all beyond royalty, you're actually the first nice guys I ever listened to.
6:02Everybody else was NWA, killer shit, fuck your bombs, this, this, that. I remember selling drugs, playing potholes in my lawn. And I'm like, buddy, buddy, buddy. And so it's an honor for us to have you guys because that's what this show is all about. You know, the reason why we got involved with the podcast because we was like, people ain't telling this shit, right? And then you got invalid people trying to make valid points. No, no. Like, who are you? Like, trying to critique. Anyway, I'm not going to do that. Listen, De La So, bro, it's a fucking honor and a half to have you guys on the show, man.
6:40We truly appreciate you. We love y 'all, B. I know we love you too, but I've just got to, I got to explain it to you on a, there's different explanations. You guys are on a different level of explanation. I'm going to go somewhere. It's sad, but I'm going to go, you know, our brother passed away. Right? And so we all know, we all know that when we die, there should be an outpour of love. Right? I tell my wife all the time, I say, yo, a fat Joe died. get ready. Because anybody who ain't never big him up, they're finally gonna be like, I'm a big him up. Like, let's say the truth about this guy, right?
7:20But your man died and the outpouring was legendary. And did it surprise you that he got so much of an outpouring because even me, my shit was like teared up. My message, like I watched people who don't big people up big him and y 'all up on another level. Was that surprising? For me, I don't, I wouldn't say it was surprising. I mean, we've been blessed from the beginning to travel all over the world. So we know and we're humble enough to see the effect we've had gracefully enough on people. It was just a blessing. And I feel like a lot of people, they were rooting for us. Like, they was like, yo, man, y 'all was going through your situation with the label and all that.
8:06and now y 'all got y 'all masters and da-da-da-da, and right before the finish line, we lost them. So I just think like it was that. Everyone was already in with us from that context. And so it was like, damn, y 'all got so close. You know, for the underdog kind of. Yeah. It was definitely overwhelming to see the, everyone we came up with, everyone that just in the industry come out and it had that same effect. You know what I mean? It wasn't, it wasn't fake. Yeah, one of the most outpouring of sincere love that I had seen in the industry myself. You know, you guys, the respect is that you know, when you're a man of respect, when you lived on this earth, traveled everywhere you were, and you guys are just men of respect, you are who you are.
8:53You trailblazers, you pioneers, you make whatever music you want to make, and then finally there's a moment that unfortunately is a sad moment, but it's a time where you go, yo, let's say what we think about these guys. Let's let them know. That's how I felt from the outside in. I know you was dealing with your brother. You know, that's blurry. You know what I'm saying? Sean C here, big up Sean C. He was with me when Big Pun passed and that whole shit was a blur. You know, no matter who's calling you or showing you love or whatever, you're like, this is crazy. You know what I'm saying? But that was beautiful to see.
9:31Jada, you got shit. I'm kicking it, man. Cabin in the Sky, new album. No doubt, brother. Executive produced by Pete Rock. Coming out on Mass Appeal, part of the Legend series. Some incredible features on there. What was it like just making this album, especially, you know, with Dave not being here? You know, how did it feel? What was the mistake? How was it, you know, for dudes that don't understand making the album, show them a little bit of the process and, you know, the feelings. Yeah. Well, it's like some of the music we had, because originally we was supposed to do this album called Premium Soul on the Rocks with Pete and Preen.
10:13Oh, wow. So it just kind of, for whatever reason, just never really got off. This never happened. But we had stuff in the can, some from Pete, a little bit from Preen. Peter from Mass Appeal and Nas, they came to us. And it was like, yo, man, we want y 'all to be a part of this Legend series. We would love for y 'all to do this, but y 'all gotta have this album ready by this year. So I was like, yo, let's, you know, let's do it. So we saw what we already had kind of in the can. The thing is that we had stuff from Dave, from other producers that we work with, Super Dave West. We have some from Jake One, the Rock Cocaine Flow on the Grind Data album.
10:50Stuff like that. So we felt like, you know what? We can't just allow it to just be Pete and Green. We need to add in so we don't have to now take Dave's verses off and add it to some other made up shit. we didn't want to do that it's the hard shit yeah yeah man but Dave he was with me like seriously when we was making this shit he was right there with me you know and I heard him with me I like Dave would always be like yo Merce man what you wrote is dope but you could put more of that bullshit on it like he would say like you know put that personality and I kept him in my in my ear like that when I'm in the booth and I was like I can hit it harder and Sean C would be there and and then he would be like nah that was a good take I'm gonna nah nah I could do it better because I just heard Dave telling me, no, do it again.
11:34And stuff like that. And I mean, just picking choices, different styles for the album. I felt like Dave was right there while I was writing. Fuck, you know what I'm saying? And I mean, usually when he was physically here, we did a lot of that where me and Dave didn't have to be together. We just so in sync. And Dave was just such an ill nigga where I would come in and be saying my rhyme and he'll just put himself under the pressure listening to me in the booth and he'll just bang his shit out right there and then connect shit. So the process was just like, believe it or not, for me, it wasn't hard.
12:09It was just like, I need, I just knew that I was on one. Like I had to prove like we can do this shit. We're going to do it for Dave, you know, and get it right. You know, so that's how it was for me. Like, I don't know if niggas seen that, that Outsiders movie back in the day where the Matt Dillon niggas like, yo, we got to do this for Johnny. I was like that for Dave, like we got to do this shit for Dave. So I would just own it like that. Nah, I concur, man. For real. Like, it needed to have its presence. You know, I think the record is therapeutic for everybody. It's closure for a lot of us.
12:40And you can feel them throughout the record. The whole Cabin in the Sky idea, to me, is like he working on the record from up there. You know? Yeah. Is there a name for like these albums when somebody pass? How do you say a pot? A costume. A costume. Right? I hate when they chop shit up and get a freestyle from a fucking... Yeah, he said to do. Somebody... I added to the ones he had instead of this, that way they be jinx all positive people. Like, I'ma just keep it real. I never heard Biggie say a whack verse in my life. And they started playing with him. They had like Biggie Christmas Eve. they niggas was just pulling out shit from victory verses and shit they was just pimping that shit on another level where I was just like yo this shit ain't like big wouldn't have did this you know and it's hard because you know the fans they want anything they want to hear this shit they want to hear what you got the stash I mean somebody who did it great Primo and Guru their last album they had dropped together the gang star that shit I felt like Guru was here I don't know if it came out five years ago or something.
13:50Who am I saying with Marv Deep? Marv Deep album. Top three album of the year. We got Clips. We got Cardi B. She definitely put some shit out in the park. Yeah. And we got Marv Deep. I listen to Marv Deep every day. Yeah. That Marv Deep album is really that shit. Right there. Yeah. You know, it get me going. Yeah, yeah. That's a good example of it. It's quality for us always over quantity. You know. That's been y 'all your whole life. We tried our best to do it. You know what I'm saying? We've always felt like, yo, we could marry ourselves to the right track. That's how me and Dave always approach music.
14:30Right circumstance, we could do it. I mean, crazy enough, we never even got to do one with y 'all, but we was always like, yo, we got to do joints. We got to do one with the locks. Because we would have married the right shit, you know, not just to do it. And then you'd be like, yo, I got a song for the locks, but the shit is bullshit. That ain't us. You guys done work with Chaka Khan. The thing I love most about Chalk and something I tried to do throughout my whole career. First of all, y 'all got a lot of hits. Thank you. Catalog out of this world. Catalog is out of this world. Number two is none of them sound the same.
15:08I love that. You know, I don't like to duplicate or recycle hits. Somebody dead ass told me one time in the studio, like, I should do lean forward. Lean back. Yo, I'm telling you. That's a flag. Yo, that is a flag, nigga. Whoa. I'm trying to tell you, this is what they do. They run with the same sauce. This is what they do. They run with the same sauce. They run with the same energy trying to duplicate the last hit. That's what's stopping your face. No, that stuff in your family. Why, part two, how, when. Yes! Leave this shit alone. When I go through your catalog, nothing sound the same. I love that.
16:02As a creative, I love that because I'm like, all right, they're not chasing the same shit, same style. I got to take it back to Native Tongue, right? Yeah. how did that come about hell of a era no you ran the era there's just no way around it y 'all y 'all was the most fire shit smoking with all y 'all who exactly was in native tongue who came up with yo we should all rock with each other that's crucial to hip hop yeah one day it's missing right now it's missing it is missing one day um I rolled up on at Africa's crib Africa was staying out at um what was that Bay Ridge yeah shout out to the jungle bro Yeah, man.
16:43And Tip was already there. I was selling a lot of crack to the Jungle Brothers, but get ahead, get ahead. Of course. It's a family show. Okay. Nah, because I remember me on the block listening to all that shit. You know, like, it was that time. So, yeah, I roll up to Av's crib and Tip was like, yo, Av, tell him what we was just talking about. I was like, what up? And he was like, yo, man, we got such a vibe together. you know, when we make music, why don't we put our name on the one name and call it Native Tongues? And I was like, I'm with it. Like, that sounds crazy. Because he was like, yeah, like, we talk kind of like our language is the same.
17:26We like, we have this Native kinship. And I was like, I'm with it. I was like, yo, I'll go back and tell my name this. Yo, go back. And that's what it was. Like, the best thing that never happened. Yeah. Like, I went to him. I was like, and Dave. And they was like, yo, we with it. So we all just connected from that standpoint on. La was already coming around. Latifa was just already coming around, getting signed with the Tommy boy. She would just come hang out with us in Long Island. And like, she was like, her sister became like a mother because she was so maternal and she could throw joints.
17:54Like, she was just like, so like, we was like, yo, La gotta be down with this. And so that was it right there. Like, and then people just started getting at it all. Moni came in. Yeah, Africa was like, Moni. And it was like, never a question. It was like, Af knows music. If Africa's saying, like, we're going to put Moni down, then she's down. No, Moni was dead nice. I think she should have been bigger than she got. Like, Moni was dead nice. She was killing shit. Yeah. She definitely, I don't know what happened to where she should have come out with her own hits and projects and stuff like that.
18:29Because we definitely, as fans, was waiting for Moni Love. Oh, no. You know, the Jungle Brothers, man. I love so much. that was they even had the girl live house yeah man you in my hut now that's why I always say that's when we was doing in New York we was doing track dates you just run up to Latin Quarters you do one song you then jet up to like somewhere in Jersey do another song both to the Bronx you wasn't the only one doing that brother that was the Jitlin circuit that was New York City Jitlin circuit there you go I do Yonkers I do White Plains and I do the Fever in the Bronx and I made$1 ,200 that day.
19:08Motherfucker wasn't paying shit. Yo. That's real, though. What? Flojo was number one. I was getting$500 a show. I was going Fayetteville, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, one day. Yeah. $1 ,200. Yeah, right. And the shit was crazy. Nah, yo, we made it through the starvation era, right? No doubt. Because that was, I don't give a fuck how I seen, and I don't want to quote me, because I'm sure he's coming up here. But, you know, my idol, LL Cool J, I heard him one time. I don't know if it's true. This might be... You got a fact check. Don't do that. It might be a flag. But I heard him say he was doing, like, arenas at his prime for, like,$15 ,000.
19:52But he was the headliner of the whole, like, Madison Square. The money just wasn't there. No, it wasn't big like that. I mean, ticket sales was, like,$10. $10. Shit like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right now you see the young boy NBA, he did a half a million fans. Them motherfuckers just pay. You got the pay. I'm going to sneak into Monica and Brandy. I told them already. I'm sneaking in this shit. I'm telling you, I'm sneaking in this shit. I told my wife. Whoever's coming, I'm sneaking in. Yo, it's Fat Joe. Let me like, you see niggas in the back door? I'm sneaking in. I'm going in. I'm like, yo, there's three of us.
20:29Like, I'm doing that. I don't even want to play with people with the tickets and shit like that. It's must see. I got to go to Brandy, Monica. I'm sneaking in. I told my whole family, yo, look, follow me. Stick close because I'm sneaking in. We don't actually have tickets. We're going to sneak in. Nah, them tickets is real. I just got my wife tickets to that show. And then she realized that she had double booked because she got to do something with my daughter and take her someplace. and I'm like, yo, you got to figure that out because tickets is real. You got to go for that show. Don't sleep.
21:03Ticket price and it's redlining too. It's like the red line shirt. It's for certain people who can't go. That's why they make it a certain price. That's life. You go to a restaurant, you'll see no black and Spanish people in there. It's just the pricey. Pricey there, man. You look around, you be like this. A fucking clam is$150. You're like, yo, niggas ain't fucking with this shit. I'm going down the block like they ain't fucking with it that's always been a gimmick Maryland yeah it's always Maryland yeah no but I'm telling you that's how I get down they out price you so it be so much it be so expensive that you be like yo fuck it I'm going over here you guys man let me tell you something man I was so excited I was like a kid on Christmas today coming over here because I got De La Soul here, man.
21:58I remember looking at Video Music Box and seeing y 'all in the classrooms and seeing y 'all, and I was just like, these guys are super legends. Q-Tips, one of my best friends, Q-Tips. I don't know if you know, right? Because, you know. No, no, I'm just saying because, you know, everybody got best friends. That they don't know? No, everybody got best friends. You know, me and Tip, we got a serious relationship for all these years. People don't know. he might actually be my weirdest friend relationship because Q-Tip don't fuck with nobody bro you fuck with Joe Crack yo Joe what's up yo me and him like we really friends Q-Tip is like you know you get him when you get him yeah you know what I'm saying he come out when he when he want to come out you know what's that relationship with Jar and Fife rest in peace Fife dog what was that like you know coming up in the game because I feel like that was the same time coming up with your tribe.
22:57And we all was like-minded brothers, man. We loved each other, even up to the very day, even Fife patch. You know what I'm saying? Fife was coming out on the road with us. You know, he was our secret weapon when we was doing certain shows like Rock the Bells or whatever. We got Fife or we got Biz, you know what I mean? So, you know, I mean, we was raised together and this shit. Yeah. You know, we stuck together, you know, good and bad. That's our brother. Music, no music. We family, man. Me and this dude and Tip, like, we be in a chat every day, usually talking, like, now. Like, we would send records.
23:36We'll be having battles in the chat. Tip would set it off. I'd throw something like, ah, nigga, you don't remember this one. And Mace be sitting on the sidelines also. He'd jump in. Like, we bug out all the time, man. That's right. We started a good time. Q-Tip's got a real fucking studio in his house. Yes. Real battery studios in his crib. billion-dollar fucking battery studio. He got battery in the way. In his house. He got, uh... Not, no disrespect. Not D-block. Not this. This nigga has... No, no, I'm just saying. Listen. No, no, no. I'm not dissing your studio. What I'm saying is... Yo, Rich.
24:11Listen. I'm not saying that. I gotta admit. This show has been needed. This show has been needed. No, no. Niggas have been needed. Yo, listen to what I'm saying. No, no, no. Listen. Listen. I ain't gonna diss you. Me and Luch, I love y 'all. I worship y 'all. Don't do that. What I'm trying to say is... We ain't got an SSL, boy. So you say to... Big shit. He got the hair factory in his fucking house. You might as well just sign in the schedule. You go in that shit. You in the hair factory. He's not in the closet. You go in his fucking refrigerator and pull out a dye coat when you go downstairs.
24:49You in a real studio. Indeed. I can't believe that. I never seen nobody have that in they house. Nobody. Right? Not even like a Scott Stoich. He got Demi Hendrix old. Swiss man's Bubble Hill had a real studio. He had the real shit. Yeah, that was the house. He got off Eddie Murphy where they did party all the time. That was a real story. I believe that. Anything with Swiss, he got the Batman house. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So if you tip those on that LL Cool J song with Ross, he was like, yo, what you got for me, Joe? I'm like, I'm trying to get you on. I did the song. Yeah. But he forced me to do it right there.
25:29Come on, Joe. Just talk that shit, man. I said, yo, first you asked me to come and hear some records. Now I got to be on the... You know, it's with my idol, but I mean, like, he put me on the spot. Man, shout out to... Now, that's our brother, man. He's on the new album. He's on this drum we got called Day in the Sun. So, yeah, like... I want to talk about that, the features. I got some... Who's on the feature? Nas Black Thought Kamin Kill a Mike Kill a Mike What the fuck Yeah dog It's a crazy line up Yeah dog It's really good Talking about bars That came out with If y 'all If y 'all pulled out Demetra Yeah if y 'all pulled out Demetra They're killies Of nice guys Every one of them Came out Mmhmm Black Thought Yep Kamin Kamin Nas Nas been spitting lately What?
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26:21No, no, no, no, no. What? What do you want me to say? Yeah, I'm sorry, dog. You got to get that one. You got to get that one. No. No, guys. Let me express it to y 'all. Nobody's a bigger Nas fan than Fat Joe. Bill Maddock, my favorite album ever. I've actually credited him with most of my success from me studying him. But in this legend series, he found that flow. where he just killing with the shit with Big Al, the shit, everything he just killing. You know what I'm saying? Even them records that won the Grammy or whatever, it was still like a new Nas flow. It wasn't that. Yeah. He's just been like going crazy on these songs with this Legend series right here.
27:09So you got all these features. I mean, nobody gave you a hard time. Everybody just came through. Nah, nah. You know, we've never had a problem with asking what we felt would be right for a certain track, you know? I mean, because we always had the mantra of like, yo, all you could do is say is no. Like, say no. All right. How can they be? On to the next. You know what I'm saying? We've done that with certain people. We're like, yo, all right, David Byrne from Talking Heads. Let's ask. All you can do is say is no. And he said yes. It's like, all right, well. So that's how it all happened. It's surprising.
27:38Would I say yes? You think would say no. Yeah. And vice versa. Now, there's people. There's your people. Yeah, there's be those niggas who ask. And they freeze. like you be like yo can you get an album and them niggas act like they turn to stone like if you can't see them and shit and they be like all right all right i ain't gonna lie i ain't gonna lie i chased maxwell for about 10 albums i finally gave up he told me yeah 10 times we never showed up yeah he's the one guy never showed up a fat joke and i love him i love maxwell but he's one of the guys who avoided me but you know i used to have you ever have to do that like I mean, like, I wouldn't normally go this far.
28:19I diss people all the time, though. I diss people all the time. For not coming through. No, it's just sometimes I don't want to do it. Like, sometimes, you know, I say, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and then turn around. I'm tired, man. This shit, 40 degrees. The heat ain't really working. I ain't coming out the crib. Fuck that. No, yo, yo, biz is what's crazy. Like, that biz would be like, yo, I'm riding around a corner. And then they're going to be in Maryland. Yo. Yo, biz. Yo, yo, yo! He here. Yo, let me say, Biz Markie did my favorite hip-hop song ever. My favorite hip-hop song ever is The Vapors.
28:58And the story of my life, you know, I was a bum, fucked up projects. They used to laugh at me. I used to tell them. Then I started coming around with the beam of the bends, playing The Vapors. So I played, I'm surprised I'm not dead from being obnoxious. I played the Vapor so fucking loud one mile per hour through my projects like maybe 20 times a day I just drive around the project we call it the Vapor the Vapor one mile per hour that's my favorite song of all time oh Biz man what a beautiful love
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35:01They didn't have video. You know, niggas didn't know. So I was like, yo, makes sense. Yo, that's Andre the Giant. And I went up to you and said, you was like, nah, pos, I'm fat. I was like, oh, yeah. Hey. A.G.'s one of my lyrical heroes. But, like, didn't you see A.G.? He was so slim. I was like, you don't look like a giant, you know? I used to stop A.G. That's hilarious. I used to stop A.G. all the time, and I used to force him to say this rhyme. He had this rhyme. Sally sold seashells down by the seashore. How much work can a wood chuck? Every time. We pull up to a show, and there's 10 ,000 people ready to go.
35:41Say, yo, A.G., tell me, it's fine. Tell me, I was just so fascinated. I couldn't believe that he even said this shit. Like, I used to, I used to ask, yo, shout out to A.G., man, my brother. But you thought I was Andre the John. How about Fat Man Scoop to this day? Thought I was somebody and I never told him I wasn't the guy. Fat Man Scoop said that he saw me battle some guys. He died digging you with somebody else? Yes. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Scoop. I love you, Scoop. God. Yo. Damn. Flat is great, though. This Scoop, we like. Yo, Batman, you know how you just said you thought I was Andre the Giant?
36:20Batman the Scoop had a story like that, where he come up to me, yeah. I seen you battle 10 guys. You had a bottle of Scope. And I be like, you like, that shit was dope. I mean, to the day he died, he told me this story. It was not me. I think I told you that one time, Shaw. He always thought I was this guy that he met battling like 10 guys with a bottle of... I guess his shit was like Listerine, spit it out, like some shit. And he would be like, yo, man, that was the illest shit ever. And I didn't know how to tell him your school. It ain't me. Like, I'm... Whoa. 30 years. Like, for 30 years, I didn't know how to tell him it wasn't me.
37:02And that's the story you tell everyone while you're standing right next to him. And you can't... You can't do nothing. can't do it again. Rest in peace, Fat Man School. We lost a lot of good ones, man. And that's another thing. We coming of age. Not that we got to die. You know, he say China making shit make you live 150 years. I don't want that. I do. You don't want that? You don't want to live 150? Everybody you know going to be bent. Not if they all get the shit. They can't get it. It's impossible for everybody you know to live to 150. Must be for everybody you know to even go to China.
37:39Yo! Oh, man. I'm sorry, y 'all. I'm watching my own show.
37:48Yo! I love y 'all niggas, though. You know, we try to do this shit different. You know, we crazy. We fly. This shit is dope. And then he got the... His jokes, it's like, yo, you get it on your way home. Yo. Sometimes I go home, I watch. I say, yo, this nigga diss me, man. And I didn't even catch that shit. That's why he's top five dead or alive. He witty as fuck. Nigga be saying shit. I don't catch it on the show. I watch, I say, ooh, I got to get Jada. I got to get him with this. This guy here, he's too witty. I can't pick up on the spot. Let's talk about this for a minute. We all been through some shit with the label.
38:30I stayed down. We've won that battle. I know I was discouraging that time. just ready to say, fuck this shit, we can't win. For y 'all to just stay firm and roll it out, what was that like? Because people went outside, they don't know how to scale this tip for us. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yo, it's wild. I mean, it's almost like I really don't want to touch on it. No, no. No, you got to. No, it's legal. This is alert. We're not messing up nothing. This show here? Bringing anything. This show is dropping signs. This show is gems for the youth behind us to pick up on what we went through. It'll be a level of like, you young, someone gives you this opportunity.
39:11You never had anything, so you really don't know like what they're giving you is like this little piece of bacon from a table that got fucking 7 ,000 pigs you can slaughter and have for your own. So when you start learning, all right, cool, you learn. And you hopefully you negotiate and you have people in your corner. And then, But then you then realize that the nigga who was negotiating for you, he's down with that nigga. Maybe that type of stuff, you start learning and you're standing. And it's on the job training. Yeah. Like any other. Learning on the whim. Yeah. So as we learn it, you know, throughout the process, I start to learn like everybody's cutting the deal.
39:51The deal is happening based on the value, not what we actually have. So everybody want this deal to close so they can get it to get they cut. So you get advised to do things that if you was advised a certain way, you might say, well, maybe I don't want to take the publishing deal. I may want to keep my publishing and y 'all keep that money. The way they describe it. Yeah, they describe it to you like you almost got to take it or you're not going to say no. You're just not aware of what's that long term, you know? So once you start to grow and learn what this whole thing is all about, you have a lot more discernment.
40:33And then you start to catch these things. You read the contract. You learn more things. Here it is. Tommy Boy, I mean, we was in an unprecedented situation where if a label folded, so did the bands too. The group was gone too. We've been able to hold on and move on and do things, let alone do more partnerships. Why would I go back into an 89 deal? why would he even present me a deal like that? How about fuck you? It was already disrespectful to even present a deal like that. How about fuck you? I give him grace because that's what he knew. That's what he learned. Yeah. And that's what they tried to continue.
41:13Yeah. But you couldn't continue that with us. And I'm sorry. Yeah, I just want to say, like, yo, it's not even, like, so nefarious where it's like someone is trying to do wrong by you. like they actually think they're doing right by you. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, man. Like, you know, that's my nigga. I have a mentor. That's my nigga. He'd come to my back door. I have a mentor. Felt like that. I have a mentor many years later. His name was, rest in peace, J.R. Rodinger. He was a billionaire. He was a billionaire. He passed away. Well, he always told me that everybody has to make money in order for you to be successful.
41:53Everybody got to make money. not work for you, not be beneath you, not be this. Everybody should be a business partner in a way. And since he taught me that, I've had no headaches. Everybody's happy. You pull up to my store, the nigga driving a Benz truck with Rolex on, everybody's happy. And that's how you eliminate that. The problem is these guys, they take advantage of you. Now, what they do is, look, we can't bite the hand that feeds us. we should always salute the person who helped change our lives. Now, if they still fucking you 10 years later, 15 years later. So basically the way the game is they grab you young, you feel and they feel like they doing you a favor.
42:37Yeah. If you're successful, as you're getting a little bit older, you're starting to learn the business. Right. But don't get mad at me because I learned the business. No, but that's going to happen to everybody. Don't get mad at me because I learned my value. Because that's what's happening. Still, what I'm trying to explain on your side, you're learning the business and they keep renegotiating after they're making tons of money for you to get back to where it originally should have been fair. So you're always behind. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And then these guys, they live in extravagant lifestyles.
43:13They are fucking Malibu. They are no more on the water. They this and this and that. and they eating off of our pain. Yeah. Because our music is pain. So we out here telling our story, shit we went through, and they over here having a sweet life. You understand? And refuse to see that, yo, maybe this is my number one guy. Maybe I should make it fair and even. Like, I've never been like that. Fat Joe has never been like that. So Fat Joe, if I have an artist, recently I had an artist maybe two, three years ago, last artist I dealt with, right? Young lady. I might have spent a million and a half out of my pocket because I still think she should be a star, right?
43:56But when she told me, yo, Joe, you know, you're too busy with podcasts and this and this and that, you know, I gave her papers in one second. I'm not the oppressor. I never understood the guy who was like, yo, you can't go nowhere. You can't this and this and that. It's never been my style. So it's pretty, you know, disgusting that you guys had to fight like that. You know what I'm saying? So to say, you have to throw a mountain on your back. Yeah. I mean, they at one point was trying to do what they need to do in terms of, look, I got this label back. I guess the intention all along was to have it acquired.
44:31So we were putting a wrench in it being acquired without mess because we were arguing. But we was only trying to get what was fair. That's all we should have figured it out. No, no, not your fault. They should have figured it out. and to your thing, I just did a deal, right? Don't want to brag about deals or whatever. And I'm going to tell you a story, right? I don't owe nobody no money. Nobody. I don't owe nobody no money. And if I owe you money, you've been paid. If not, I don't know about it. But I did this deal and they all made me sign, like Fat Joe 2025 is a crackhead that when I do the deal, they automatically get their money.
45:13They can't even let Fat Joe write the check to him or do the wire to him personally. It goes to them first. They want that letter. First off, Rick. They to connect, but I signed up. I don't have a problem. Oh, you want to get paid? No problem. You want to get paid? You want to get paid? You want to get paid? You're deserving. You're deserving. You put in work for the deal. But to tell you the truth, in the back, you know, my morals clause is Fat Joe. I felt a little crackheadish that you know me. I ain't no bum. I've been around 30 years. I do business with everybody, but you want your money off rip, like direct to consumer.
45:48I was like, you know, I felt the little ways. Know what I'm saying? But it ain't nothing. But at the end of the day, they knew we want to sell this shit. It's worth$100 million,$200 million. I give they lot, sold they shit and move on. Well, needless to say, Tommy Boyd sold the company to Reservoir Media, which they all bought Tommy Boyd's province. And the problem that was with us, they worked out fairly. God bless. Salute to them. Yeah, whatever. All right.
46:24I got jerked from my publishing. The man gave me$50 ,000. Told me, yo, you Latino like me, I'm going to take care of you, Jelly Bean Benitez. The man never gave me a dollar on his head. Yo, this guy. I heard this nigga, yeah. This nigga name come up crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whenever the jerking story, I got a brother right now dealing with Jelly Bean. Oh, God. Whoa. This motherfucker. Yeah. All right, go ahead. I did a deal where I had to find every nickel I had under the table stuck with gum. Every, every nickel. Am I lying, Rich? We spent a year and a half brain busting every, yo, is L.E.S. straight?
47:06Is Young Lord straight? Is it like, to do a deal, But this guy sells his shit for$100 million. With no accounting, no nothing. I'm like, how this man been jerking me for so long? And then he could sell the catalog, do all type of shit that just, they won't allow us to do. You understand what I'm saying? How did these people get a - This is a delay.
47:36I'm going to tell you something. You're jerking me for so long with your sound. It's a great. What the fuck? Holy moly. What the fuck? He downed, fetch me. What did he do? He didn't give me a better description. He didn't give me a better. You know, you want to know what's crazy is? Oh, yo. Yo, I'm laughing like this at my house. For real, I can't lie. I'm watching these liggas at the crib. I'm laughing just like this. Yo. What is it? This... Oh, yo. I love you. Jada, I don't give a fuck. This is great, man. This is fucking great, man. I'm trying to protect us. This is about protection us. This shit is honest.
48:25This shit is real. They already gonna give a say. You give it to... One time... Go be sounding. One time, I get into a lawsuit with this guy. The people sued me, had the nerve to think I'm cool with him. This guy jerked me for at least 12 to 15 million or something. He's a number one. But he's nowhere to be. He's nowhere. I go online to the federal court because it's a lawsuit. And the man said, he bought this toy standing behind me. He says, hey, Joe. I looked at this dude. I said, you said hi to me? Some of these guys are spineless where they don't even care. No, they don't. They robbing you.
49:07They don't care. They'll look at you like. yo this shit crazy but the moral to the story is you know one day this anyway I can't even say that finally I got my shit back 15 years later or whatever but you know one day I'm in a restaurant and they tell me that's Jellybean's kids oh not the kids not the kids don't hurt the kids don't hurt the kids at that The devil in me was sitting there eating, looking like I'm knowing that my kids sacrificed for those kids looking like Bippy Lonestock. And they up here, some billion dollar restaurant, this, this, that. And they like, yeah, those kids. I'm like, I had to really find God and seek the kingdom.
50:01In that spot. Seek the kingdom, man. I seek the kingdom on that one. And no, I've not threatened nobody. I had nothing to do with that, but I'm just saying, like, you got to be very careful out here in these streets. Yeah, you do. I hear that. You do. It'll come back to you at some point. Yeah. Yeah. It come back sooner or later. You think a motherfucker out there, motherfucker. I'm watching this series on Murdoch, the lawyer from, he killed this family. You don't know about Murdoch? Murdoch. Murdoch. And fucking, you better watch it on Hulu. Yo, this guy was a scumbag, Sean. I mean, like, he was a lawyer.
50:38yo but listen the man was representing the man in a wheelchair never walk again he win this shit for 800 ,000 never pay him he representing ladies that died and their families blind now and this and all them lawsuits he kept he kept the bread 800 millions millions at the end of the day when they come to him this guy's fried this guy tried to kill his family for the insurance like and I do think he's walking around the prison now like like you some people just is cold blooded they don't give a fuck they don't that that's nuts are we gonna get a cabin in the sky too i don't i mean we would love to i mean you know one big show or something oh definitely definitely because we just i think we could pull it off without question i mean we're blessed to always have shows i guess shows usually book months and months ahead of time we had a release the actual day of the release we got a show in Vegas.
51:37Yeah, we're going to be in a festival out there. But yeah, man, that can definitely happen. We should do a tour with groups. You know we always do. Tour with groups. It's always been so... Sorry, Joe. It's always been solo acts going out on the way. You say sorry, Joe, because he's not a... No, I got love for everybody. Well, unless you're bringing out DRTC, we could do the group thing. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? I set you up for that. No, no, I'm with that. No, no, no. I'm with that. Okay? I have never said no to DITC. They say we making an album, I'm the first one in there.
52:16Working and following suit. You know, Lord Finesse is the captain of the shit. We run behind him. Whatever he say, yo, Joe, I need a hook here. You this, this, this. We do what we do. When it comes to digging in the crates, you know, it would be no fat Joe or was it for them. I don't give a fuck. Where I'm at, how big I am, how whatever, Tell you the truth, it's the only thing that I've ever been involved with in hip-hop that's never been no fuck shit. Our crew, we always loved each other. We always supported each other. There's been no fuck shit. No, no doubt. You know what I'm saying? I haven't seen.
52:47Yeah. So that's like, you know what I mean? I would be down with that one million percent. That's a billion percent. Group tour. Tour with all groups. That'd be crazy. You haven't seen that. Yeah. I've not seen that. I just love to see dudes who can, you know, regardless of the age or whatever, man, who know how to command a stage and do what they need to do. And all niggas sitting here know how to do that. Like, I think, like, let me ask you something. Right. Because I thought about this the other day. Other than Jay-Z. Shout out to Rock Nation. We in the building. Yeah. Other than Jay-Z. I even see Nas work.
53:24Right. Could we ever just say, yo, we don't we don't we don't want to tour. Like, it's been a long time since I know what comes on at 7 o 'clock on ABC, what comes on at 8 o 'clock on ABC, 9 o 'clock on ABC or something. Like, is there ever a time? Because Smokey Robinson in them is 85. Patti LaBelle's 81. We did a show. Tour ring. Yeah. We did a show recently. Yeah, it was recently, yeah. Yo, Rich, while you get up, what's your answer? We can never retire? No, no, no. No. No. Where Nelly's from? St. Louis or something. St. Louis. Yeah, with St. Louis. Yeah, we did a show with Patti LaBelle in St.
54:02Louis over the summer. I'm like on that Free Spirit shit George Clinton being on. Like, I can rock until it's over. Like, Rolling Stones and Autumn. Like, I love just going to our show age. We got generations there. Black don't crack. Because when we rocked, when we first started, we were, like, 18. And they were, like, 30-year-old people into, like, our music. You know what I'm saying? And 10 years old. You know what I'm saying? 10 years old, now, when we be at our shows, there's be generations there. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to tell you what's crazy. The other day, I went to Cat's Deli, and I met a brother.
54:35He was like 70 years old. He was like, yo, I watched you grow up. For some reason, I ain't know him, and I'm good with it. And the man starts showing me pictures of my uncle, Faye O 'Reilly, that passed away, my Aunt Barbara. So I knew he'd know the fam. So he was like, yo, I was there. You know, I'm from Washington. I'm from this, this, this. It's crazy because I'm 55 now. He's like, ain't too many going to come up to you and tell you how they watch you grow up. I watch you grow up. And I said, all right, man, thank you. I call my aunt immediately. You know what I'm saying? I was called Tiki Barber.
55:08I was like, yo, I met this guy. She was like, he'll come up to me. Don't worry about it. Because I didn't get his name. But it's crazy because I'm at the age now where people even gone on or the last thing they're thinking about is Fat Joe. somebody 75 or something who watch me grow up. If they hear. You lit, baby. We're not even talking. I'm not talking about that. What I'm saying is it's hard to find somebody who watch you grow up. Yeah. Right now. It's kind of bugged out. Bugging, man. Huh? I want to hear some music. You got a chance to hear it. I'm ready. It's De La Soul in this motherfucker, man.
55:49Can we plug in and hear something exclusive? You got to play it loud, James. Yo, James, I brought your favorite guys to the show. You see it? I ain't seen it. Yeah, man. It's now. It's like, yo. Yo, that motherfucker won his poster signed of 89. He won everything. Oh, that's good. That's good. I'm with that. I thought about getting drunk recently. Word? Thought about it? Yeah. You stop? You don't. I just don't drink, man. Yeah. Don't start. Well, I don't drink, but I thought about getting drunk recently. I said, yo, maybe I should get slammed. Let James open it. James left. I'm on a good time.
56:25It been a while since I've been high on the street. You know what I'm saying? Let me go touch that shit. You know, when I used to get drunk and end up in people's cribs and shit like that, I don't give a fuck. When I'm drunk, you could gas me into anything. They'd be like, yo, I'd be at niggas' house parties. Like, yo, Fat Joe. That's dangerous. Sitting up with a man with a fur on. No, I'm telling you, it's not good for me. It's not safe to end up in a stranger's house drunk with a pharaoh. This is why I'm trying to tell you. Yo, that's just, on that note, Ace of Spades. We're doing this for the Cabin.
57:00Create some friends. We're doing this for the Cabin in the Sky project. Right, Cabin in the Sky. Make sure you get in on all platforms. Don't stream it. Buy it. You know what I mean? We're going to check out this joint, Run It Back. It's featuring our brother Nas. Woo! Nas did his thing on this. produced by my brother Super Dave West. Yeah, this is an ill one right here. Yeah, man. Man, shout out to everybody who produced on the album. Yo, yo, yo, yo. Report, report. Everyone report in. That's right, it's magic. It's magic like the three. But yo, don't ever get it misconstrued when you see us coming through with them date gold colors.
57:41Lyrically, we run it all day. So if you throw it to us, we're going to win. Dude.
58:13Let's do it. I'm a rap on the line and the math are the signs that we make. Be the cake that we stack on my grind. I'm a one of a kind and the one from the vine of the grape where you heard I'm a cat. Man, it's the thing that we hang around our neck like a chain. It's the piece of the pain at the least. It's the lane that my flow travel down in the sound. We to rock cocaine to the brain on the track. Overdue with the new and you beg for the brew that we stirred. And we heard that you don't have a clue how it's made. It's the boom to the bat, like the fool in the pay That pariah on the map We're the sons of the beat And we stay on our toes with our feet Exposed to the car, to the creek Cause our ears in the street and our minds In the stars, man, y 'all know who we are Tucks and pack That's what I'm talking about Nassau, Southern County, we up in here But we gonna take it on over to Queens To my brothers in the bridge Who's about to run it back Thank you.
59:41your privileges run it back from the rap it's no wonder that three's the magic number add me to that number that's four the fourth bg the fourth zz top member the fourth fuji who me i fantasize musically when it's suitin me it's wild as the 80s 90s and thousands how it was sick how did it slip now it's just doji dot and scissor with most powerful hits leon thomas shibuzi with the country rap only black artists on top of the charts something's right run it back not only loving only black don't start with that the problem hatched probably with naps the back of 99 in fact What's not a surprise for getting Dimey back?
1:00:12He cries inside about it never. He just runs it back. Yep. Right. Okay, everyone. I know your heartbeat is running fast after running back. So let's slow it down. Right? Take a deep breath in. Now, take a deep breath out. Is that? What is that? Weed smoke I'm smelling? Yeah.
1:00:42Anyway, let's prepare to take our mind to the next song. Salute, salutary, and salutations. And don't forget the vocalization. All right. That's right. That's, um, matter of fact, that's, uh, that's Giancarlo Esposito on that. Like, he's talking throughout the top of the album, so it's dope that we got in on the album. Why is this special, man? You got, you know, Kamikame, he was smoking some shit. What is the shit he was smoking? He was burning. Alessandro from Chile. Alessandro. Alessandro. You know, you guys got John Esposito on his shit. Very good.
1:01:25The motherfuckers be awesome shit, right? No doubt. This ain't that, man. This is the biggest shit in the game. Why would you even go to some Chicken McNugget spot? These niggas ain't fucking with us. you wasting your time you gonna go to the next podcast and gonna be like hey what's your zodiac sign in 1956 get the fuck out of here roof day shit the fuck out of here you wasting your time with them guys they ain't got no mochi no track could I get my shit off man we love you baby when I watch the show I be talking that shit but listen
1:02:10love you nigga yo Sean you know you come hey 93 you collab yo shut the fuck up bro who are you are you valid are you let me go through your if I go through De La Soul's track list I'm not even gonna lie to you I wouldn't have an argument with y 'all if y 'all came with the De La Soul podcast what can I say I watched you me coming in the game but some of these guys we don't even know who the fuck they is and they criticizing top tier up well I think Jay should have said this like who are you like get the fuck out of here but anyway this ain't that that ain't this it's cracking kiss god damn it make some noise for the De La Soleil love y 'all B thank you for having us I love y 'all, brother.
1:03:06Love y 'all, dog. Love y 'all, brother. Love y 'all, baby. Love you, bro. It's an honor. You guys are beyond legends. Your icon, there's legends. You guys are like, you gods, bro. You guys are unsouchable. Y 'all are different. Look at y 'all the same way. I know, but you guys are different. You guys, you gotta let us tell you what you are. You fucking legends. You fucking gods. you lords we them legends with the legs nigga I hear you they lost soul that leg it's short but you gotta get me back huh you got two more times peace y 'all they lost soul peace peace peace
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From the publisher
Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by Posdnuos and Maseo of the legendary De La Soul crew, and the room full of hip hop royalty chop it up about De La's upcoming album 'Cabin In The Sky' releasing this Friday under Nas' Mass Appeal Records for their Legend Has It... series. It's their first album in nine years as well as the first project created without founding member Trugoy the Dove, who tragically passed in 2023, and it features unreleased verses from Trugoy, as well as new verses from Nas, Q-Tip of A Tribe Called Quest, Black Thought from The Roots, Common, Slick Rick, and more. They talk about the hip hop world's outpouring of support after Trugoy's passing, the origins of the Native Tongues collective with Q-Tip, their catalogue dispute with Tommy Boy Records, and the possibility of taking legendary rap groups on tour with them... including Fat Joe's Diggin' In The Crates crew.
4:15 - De La's place in hip hop history
6:00 - RIP Trugoy the Dove
8:30 - Breaking down 'Cabin In The Sky'
15:15 - Origins of Native Tongues
20:00 - Fat Joe's friendship with Q-Tip
24:45 - CRAZY features on 'Cabin In The Sky'
34:00 - Posdnuos thought Joe was Andre The Giant
38:00 - Going up against the labels
46:00 - Joe's publishing deals story gets HEAVILY flagged
51:00 - Potential 'Cabin In The Sky' tour
55:00 - De La debuts "Run It Back" feat. Nas
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