Eddie Hearn on Shakur Stevenson vs. Teofimo Lopez, Anthony Joshua's tragedy & Devin Haney's beef with Ryan Garcia

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29:40No one should be hating on everybody. You know, the most money, you would say the purse, but the most money I ever get paid for was a show in Africa. and he too was the leader of tourism and I go over there and at one point he tells me I want you to come you know rap is different we ain't go to college for this shit so he's telling me yo I want you to go do an interview I said I ain't doing shit so the man says just the kind of we like I ain't doing shit I'm over here ready this this that he said yo I got $50 ,000 cash for you to come. I called the whole crew. Yo, me be at the lobby. We got to do this ill interview.

30:23Right? So he takes me to the basement parking lot. This is a true story. And he walks into like a Lincoln town car, an old school car. And he opens the trunk. And the whole thing is filled with money. Pallets of hundred, pallets of hundred dollar bills. the man took out $50 ,000 and it looked like a toothpick that's how much cash he had in that trunk at this point I felt like killing them and I didn't know how I get out the country with all this money like I really really anybody could do it like I'm telling you for this one second I said could I kill this dude and just break out with all this just no way I could have done it like but it felt to me at that moment like they were making money.

31:17Like they were printing the money. When he gave me$50 ,000 it felt like a toothpick and it was so much money. I was like, damn. This shit is unreal. Like, you know, and I feel like Turkey is similar in Saudi. Like he got that ultimate bag. You know they call me the Tyson Fury of hip hop. Yeah? Yeah, because looks are deceiving. I don't have a muscle, but I knocked you out. You know, and Tyson Fury, that boy flabby, and he'll knock you out. I love Tyson Fury. I remember the day he won that fight, and then he got on the bike the next day. It's a da-da-da-da-da. No, no, who that was? That was Conor McGregor.

32:01Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? The next day, da-da-da-da-da. It's the motherfucking stupid Double G. But Tyson Fury, I'm a huge fan. Is he coming back to boxing? Yeah, he's talking about it. I mean, he retires every other week. You know what I mean? and he's done with boxing and now he's training in Thailand. He's like the most motivated he's ever been. I think a lot of these guys, boxing saved them at the start. I know AJ's a good example of that. And I think when you take it away from them, it just leaves such a massive hole. So now I can see it. He's training now for a fight. He looks happier than he looked for any day that he was retired.

32:41Do you know what I mean? He's got the fight. It's like, this is what I love to do. I love them, you know? The craziest thing is, I believe that's in all sports. You know, these guys, especially dangerous sports, like football, boxing. These guys are like gladiators. And when they walk out that tunnel in football and everybody's screaming, 80 ,000 people, then when they retire... But isn't that the same for anything? Isn't that the same for you guys as well? I mean, we never retire. We almost killed Smokey Robinson. but when you he's still performing live. I'm talking about when you do. Like, you know.

33:18I'm never. Oh, there you go. As long as we got a voice then God. It's the buzz, it's the love for what you do. Why do you want to keep going? Well, I love it. Plus, we have huge bills. So, you know, our family feels like, you know, like this little house on, they won't stop, brother. And boy, I've been working at this. Is this any hobby or any type of shit that you could work on. Fat Joe has tried to be a fake accountant slash let's, let's minimalize. You know, there's a word for it. It's called minimal. I tried everything. They looking at new, bigger houses and this, this. I'm finally somewhere where I feel like I can die and I'm comfortable.

34:04Like, because I'm a dreamer. If I got a million dollars, I bought a$10 million house. Like I'm a guy and I'll pay that 50 ,000 a month. And that's, that's been my life. You know, I believe, you know, I invest and I don't care. I'll find the money. I'm going to make it. Now I finally got a sense of peace and they don't want peace. They just keep showing me bigger houses and bigger yards and bigger. And I'm like, yo, we can sleep. Like we finally at the place where these bills don't hurt us. We good. Chill. They don't want peace. They say, yo, you need bigger so that you can just go out there and keep going.

34:45They want to run this shit till the wheels fall off. Right? And with boxers, unfortunately, we've seen too many greats, greatest of all times and all that, keep coming back because they mismanage their money. And like, I love him. I don't just love him. I worship him but I do not want to see Mike Tyson in the ring again but it's crazy how can you have been in the fights that have been and I mean I think financially probably in a much better place now than he was 10-15 years ago yeah how on earth even 10-15 years ago Mike Tyson at the mansion the new car even bad I went to his house when he was bad and his shit was a 10 million dollar house brand new cars like when they say he was broke he was broke in a 10, 20 million dollar weight.

35:37That wasn't like, he wasn't back in the jacks. But how can you earn that much money? Roy Jones is a great example. But how can you earn that much money and be mistreated, really, or be that ill-advised or have that kind of people around you that would enable you to be in that position? It's crazy. White is now much better educated on the finances of sport and much better supported from a team perspective. Do you know what I mean? Like the infrastructure back then, you know when this Canelo guy looks like oh Canelo you got it oh Canelo's like that guy you turned up to and had the money in the boot I mean he's he's raided the bank of the sport but he's smart right and he's he's taken his time he's understood the sport he's also hit the sport when there's a lot of bidders and buyers right so Canelo can get his money from him from him from him from him he doesn't matter you know I'm a sucker for a good fight so oh I'm going for Eddie Hearns and then when they show the Mexican guy running up the mountain talking about his mom used to feed him rocks for dinner that's and I'm like oh shit Eddie got a fucking problem this guy's carrying fucking 18 wheeler tires up a mountain the air here is different he eats rocks for dinner I'm like yo they got a fucking you know me I'm a fighter right well years ago.

37:01I was a fighter. I was just telling my story. We don't need to elaborate, but I used to love to fight. So I walked out my house every day to fight. Whether I was winning, losing, I would come out and fight. And the worst fight is when you hit a guy with the kitchen sink and he looks at you like, oh, I've been waiting for this. That's when you're like, what the fuck? and the project, the connect zone, whatever we call it, they come out 500. If you get your ass whipped in the projects, that's going viral in the hood. Like, you know, yo, Fat Joe got his ass whipped by such a... Woo! That's a bad day for you when you punch the guy with the kitchen sink.

37:47And I try to tell boxes that all the time. I said, listen, you can have the power, but when you hit somebody with all you got, and that motherfucker look at you like, Hello, you got a real battle going on that night with you. So you saw you was a little kid, you studied boxing. I don't know if you remember it, because you definitely got to be a bigger historian than me. But there was a fight that Floyd Mayweather was losing till about the sixth round. He switched up the whole style. He won the fight. He beat the shit out of the guy. and then when they interviewed him he said I don't know I'm saying the wrong name but he said one of them legends like he was like Jack Dempsey in 1949 I went back to the videotape that my father played me when he was bouncing the dick is it also in boxing it's more like physical strength or IQ make the best fighters I mean IQ that you got like this weekend for example Shakur Stevenson probably one of the best IQs.

38:54The other one is Terence Crawford, right? These guys, they just see it, you know? So during the fight, they know exactly what you're going to do. They know exactly what to do. They sit on the ropes, you know, but the pulse rate's not moving. They're calm. They're slipping shots. There's just different styles. Ultimately, the style to watch is the guy that's going in there and having the war. You know, for the purists, which I'm probably a purist as a fight man, I watch those guys like Crawford and Shakur and Floyd who's probably the greatest of the generation. So calm. Do you know what I mean?

39:30The IQ's on another level. Like, you can go in there and it doesn't matter what you bring, what style you bring, how you switch it up during a fight. He will be out of control the situation in the moment. And that's when, like I said, Shakur is probably that new guy who's capable of doing that. And Tia Fimo... You think he got Tia Fimo? I think Tia Fimo's more battle-tested. Yeah, I just feel like if I'm Tia Fimo, I'm sticking it on. What does that mean for regular people? I'm pressing it. You're on him. Yeah, because they're both great athletes. They've both got great IQ. They're both quite reactive and feints and twitching and great movement.

40:13But beating Shakur at that game is a very difficult game to play. And will probably lead to not the most entertaining problem. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If I'm Teofimo, don't get me wrong, if you're aggressive against Shakur, that's also a problem. That's when you get hurt. He wants to counter you. He wants to, you know. But if you're fast and you're powerful, I don't know even if it's possible to beat Shakur. But I think if I'm Teofimo in this fight and I'm the bigger guy. You're going to dirty it up. You're going to dirty it up. Yeah, I'm trying to make it a fight rather than trying to just outbox him.

40:43You ain't going to outbox Shakur. He's a genius. The fight. This guy right here, he's a slick one. He wants front row seats to every event. And if he don't know how to tell you live on TV, he doesn't get the same to you. He's podcast, does he either? Bingo! You know what I mean? He's 66. He's a little bit under the weather today. He's shot. Yeah, yeah. Nah, he ain't shot. He ain't shot. You got any questions for the legend that he heard? All I've seen him doing this is this when you're talking.

41:21Who's that? Eddie, the man's on the clock. If he bunched in, he's getting paid whether he says something or he don't. The man's sitting there happy. You guys have got to make your predictions and calls for the weekend, right? Madison Square Garden, T.O. and Shakur. He's great. He's 3-0 on the playoffs of the football. This is boxing. But after listening to you now, I think I got to switch it up. Because if Shakur is able to be Shakur, he will win. And I fight him be boring. It's not necessarily boring. No, not boring. It's not. You know when you see two guys scared to hit each other and they think it over.

42:02No. He's just a. What you said, first of all, I'm going to use that for all my media this week. If Shakur is allowed to be Shakur, he can't lose. so you've got to make him not be Shakur I won't credit you for any of that but thank you they've been taking my lines for years to win but you're right so you've got to make him not be Shakur so what's your prediction but now I mean I don't know if you've got any affinity Brooklyn against Newark no I almost beat up to your female's father really most people have tried to do that in boxing or something He's a character. True story. I had to tell you, yo, pop, I'll fuck you up.

42:47I was like, yo, pops, I'll fuck you up. You got some flags too, Eddie. That's the time to throw it. Just throw it. File on the plate. You got it. Oh, this father just came at me, screaming at me one day, talking about Edgar Balanga ain't the only Latino, and you know, you the biggest Latino, and you don't co-sign my son, and this and that. He was just talking crazy. And I was like, really crazy. I was like, yo, Pop, we'll fuck you up in here. Like, I don't know if you know. Like, don't play with me. And then, you know, he hit us back the next day and was like, yo, I'm sorry. You must have been high or some shit.

43:25Like, you know what I mean? Because, you know, them fathers are real passionate about this. But that's, he's, I actually like. You heard this a million times, huh? Yeah, a million. You almost beat up Pop. Yeah, because I had a fight. Like we did Tiafimo against George Cambosis when Cambosis beat him at the Garden and they blamed me. I didn't even have even fire. I won a purse bid. And the dad's like, you motherfucker. I'm like, what's it got to do with me? And he's a very emotional guy. I actually like his dad. I think he's got a good heart, but he is a little bit crazy. He's going to be a major factor in this fight.

43:58He can't afford to lose his mind in this fight to dad and start being emotional. You know what I mean? They've got to be on it, especially against Shakur. What's the old school shit in the Bronx now? What, Olivia's? Pieces and Peoples? Herpes triangle? Keep his father out of there. Uptown, you know, the old school, I guess father. I'm telling you, the man was screaming on me like, out of contrast to your pops. The story, you know, that he told us, I saw him tell a story to someone recently. He said that he put it on you. Tia Fimo? Yeah, no, Tia Fimo's dad said, you know, Fat Joe come at me and I said to him, fuck you.

44:34And then apparently you just turned your back and walked off. I didn't think that was true. I'm the most respectable guy you ever seen in your life, especially for somebody's father. This man. This is what we do. Yo, Eddie, this man came at me like, yo, fuck that. Belonga ain't the only Latino. My son is this and this and that. Unfortunate enough, because the kid is nice, he got knocked out two days later, right? Where he was at in Atlanta? He touched the canvas. Tiafimo touched the canvas two days later. That was Cambosi. Right after he threatened me. The mother got dropped in the first round.

45:11He threatened me. His father. Two days later, he touched the canvas for the first time. I said, what the fuck? They called me. We was in Canada or something. They was like, yo, homeboy touched the canvas. I said, you know, his father. He was talking that shit. I was with fucking L. DeBarge when he was cursing me out. L the fucking barge that motherfucker Dan Clark can't rest in peace with us everybody gonna be tuned into the fight this Saturday and Hard Rock Bet is doing a special Joe and Jay the Prophet boost on the Shakur and Teofimo fight so you know what I mean be considerate when you think who you gonna take this Saturday who's the winner of this fight kiss because you always...

46:01Is this Saturday? This Saturday. Square down. Square down. Live on the zone. Yo, Fimo. Oh. Core Stevens. I thought you were going for Tia Fimo. No, I'm just giving it... He's on the road. You know what I mean? After talking to you, I got to go with Shakur, man. You know what I mean? I got to go with Shakur just because you told me how much of a genius for boxing he is. And if he's able to be him, it's going to be a tough night for Tia. I'm going to court you gotta be because you was about to have a fight with this Bob. Listen I don't want no beef with Tio Fimo you want to know why I'm going for Tio Fimo but never bet where I go because I'd never win so I'm telling you right now anybody I yell out I won once who I won Tarek's gone from I put a bet they don't take my bet how about that how about that they won't even take my bets?

46:59I call all the bookies. They like, yo, Joe, your money's not good. I swear to God, they don't want me to bet that you might win and you go start fucking losing all your money. Like, yo, no, they won't let me bet. I lost Balanga against Canelo. Like, I really believed it. Like, I really bet like$20 ,000,$30 ,000 on... No, I'm not lying. Like, I really bet it and lost it. One fight I lost on, I'm sitting here with Chris Gotti in Vegas. And one of my greatest, my favorite fighters, Chris Gotti. And what's the guy he used to win all the fucking, he was banned from Vegas because he was the best gambler.

47:39Phil Ivey. Phil Ivey. And these motherfuckers don't stop. Yo, let's bet. Let's bet. Let's bet. I said, I don't bet. Let's bet. Let's bet. Let's bet. I don't bet. Let's bet. Let's bet. And one of my favorite fighters of all time is rest in peace Diego Corrales. And I used to love how he get knocked down and get up and this, this, and that. And I said, all right,$20 ,000. They called and said,$20 ,000, Diego. Boom! Through the ropes. The guy knocks him. Like, I mean, safe. Like, out the ring. Like, you never seen in your life the way he fell out that ring. I was at that fight, but I lost in a split second.

48:20Can I take it back? They came in my room about 20 times that day. I could not leave Vegas without giving them a 20 grand. They did not trust me. And so, Delahoya, with the shit he does now, what do you do? You know, we got a lot of rappers trying to be relevant, doing the most amazing clown shit we ever seen in our life. What do you think about Delahoya with all the shit he's doing? I mean, it's an interesting technique. You know, I've got to say, like, in terms of active promoters, he's out there. I mean, he's promoting. but the clap back Thursdays and all this it ruffles feathers that can sometimes fragment relationships and you know sometimes I'm not going to work with him or whatever but you know legendary fighter and I mean obviously the big the big clump was with your boy Edgar yeah you know for the last fight Edgar wins that fight he's the man yeah Edgar wins that fight he's the man shut down De La Hoya to the point that's a good point where somebody got to choose to be the villain somebody got to choose to be the hero you know it could ruffle the feathers of the industry but people are talking about it and conversation is key you know in the world where at least people are out there talking about it people are liking it people are hating it people are loving it you know but it's better than doing nothing I mean you got a lot of does he have a bad case of like he can't fight no more because he's older and he's a little upset uh he's they're a lawyer because it looks like if he could get in the ring he's a little upset If you started a senior citizenship, he's fighting.

49:54One thing you can never take away from him was, he was one of the greatest fighters of all time. And, you know, fought everybody. So probably sometimes he's looking at some of these guys now thinking, I would have bust his ass. You know what I mean? So what's done is done. But obviously his big fallout was with Canelo. You know, those guys were together for years. And then, boom, Canelo sued him. And, you know, it all got a bit ugly and nasty.

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52:42We got that in hip-hop. Yeah, cool. Well, me, I stopped discovering artists and investing. So, similar to your father, I grew up in the Kinect. What you call that? The projects over there? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Kinect. How you say it? Oh, yeah. Council Estate. The Council Estate. Yeah, yeah. Here's the projects. Yeah. And I made a name for myself, but I grew up dirt poor. like you would go through my family tree maybe a hundred years none of us never had money and so I take pride in if I create this opportunity for someone who is talented but I'm going to put you in the right rooms I'm going to get you the right people to collaborate I'm going to promote you and once I do that you start becoming a millionaire making big money then you start saying fuck Fat Joe, he never did nothing for me.

53:37Right? That put a bad taste in my mouth. And the thing they do, whores, and the thing they do in hip-hop is you could rest assured that they're breaking out the second they can. The second they see that light in the tunnel and they say I can do my own thing, I don't need this guy, they gone. And so there's really no real loyalty in hip-hop when it talks about spending money on the artists and making the artists. You know, I see it happens to you too. I mean, it must break your heart. It does, but you become accustomed to it because it's the game and it's never going to change. Some people are loyal.

54:20Some people will respect what you've done for them. And others, one. It happens in boxing all the time. So there's no point losing. My dad says to me sometimes, have you fucked? That sort of thing might happen. and I'll do an interview and I'll go listen unfortunately I think well we did a lot for him and maybe it wasn't recognized but good luck good luck in his career my dad goes to me how do you fucking put up my dad you know my dad retired from boxing to get out of the aggravation of boxing because he was just he got sick like he just thought fuck all these people like you know what I mean I don't need I stopped signing people I could have signed people like Pitbull Rick Ross the biggest artist in the world but I was already so turned off yo why you giving that for I'm telling you the truth.

55:04Why are you giving that place? You know, I discovered DJ Callen. I discovered Big Pun. I discovered all these guys. So I had the opportunity to sign these other guys, and I passed on it. And right now, Rick Ross has his own yacht, his own everything. He's the richest motherfucker in the game. If I'd have got 1%, I'd have been good. But I was so turned off by the industry that I was like, I'm tired of doing this. I'm tired of this. But it probably, it probably gives you a bad reflection and understanding of life because you think that's the norm. So like in boxing, you just have to understand it ain't normal.

55:43And it actually can not make you a bad person, but make you a little bit unhappy because you go, do you know what? Life's full of arseholes. I can't believe this guy's doing that. But not everything in life is like that. But unfortunately, boxing is like that. Probably your industry the same. But if you get, if you allow it to play with your emotions, you're going to be a miserable person. You know, over here, we get a big bad name for Don King, right? Because you hear the story, Mike Tyson beat him up. He allegedly stole his money. Mike Tyson says that. But Don King, he's a legend out here. Well, Don King's probably, away from the ethics, probably the greatest promoter of all time.

56:24And the reason is, is that when there was a show in town, he made sure you knew about it. right and what he was was he was a performer as well right he'd come out there with the flags wouldn't he like I mean you knew he might have invented branding and marketing and promoting I mean that was you know but he'd be with the UK flag the US the UK when he got the UK he don't give a fuck Joe you know he's still going right he still has fighters and still to this day he's the hardest person to deal with like whenever I say though there's a guy who's a world cruiserweight champion oh, who's he with? He's with Don King.

57:03I'm like, fuck. Now, he's impossible. Impossible to do a deal with. He just can't help himself. Even now, he's like, because he owned the whole game. He owned the TV, the pay-per-view. I know. He got that building over there in West Palm where this shit got the Don King. No, Don King? Don King's a guy that when he dies, they're going to run under that mattress sofa. He's going to be like, oh, chopo. they'll break they're gonna break the walls looking for some shit Don King got cash and nobody's ever seen like you talk about small face 20s yo that motherfucker Don King I'll tell you a story we're the first rappers and every time I say this you know they got a thing with me now on the internet like Fat Joe Lies but we're the first rappers to ever perform and bring a boxer in so now all that bullshit you see with every boxer everybody we started it me and Big Pun, shout out to Carl Canaan.

58:02Tito Trinidad was my favorite boxer. Muhammad Ali's my first, but the second was Tito Trinidad, Puerto Rican power. Loved him to death. So he's fighting Delahoya. So I tell Carl Canaan, I know he knows Don King, and I'm like, can you introduce me to Mr. King? So he says, sure. You know, I'll be in Miami next week. We can ride up together. So we ride up to Palm Beach, wherever it is. That's where I see the building. This, this, that. So Don King's standing there. He got a guy playing the piano. He's looking at the guy playing the piano. Maybe an hour or two. He doesn't say a word. He's in there.

58:42Well, what the fuck you want? Like, hey, Mr. King. I'm like, by the way, we're the biggest rappers on the earth. We just broke a record. first Latino to sell two million. I said, we on fire. You understand what I'm saying? So like, we the biggest shit. So I'm sitting there, he goes, how can I help you? Because I know you're here to ask me for something. I said, well, Mr. King, you know, we we love Tito Trinidad. We're the number one rappers, this and this and that. Yeah, well, I got Ricky Martin for that. I said, but you know, this is fighting. Right? And And big pun and fat Joe, you know, it makes more sense for Tito Trinidad to come out with us.

59:31You know, but of course, Ricky Monaghan, come on, everybody, let me do that conga. He had that shit. Living like he's a locker. No, no, living like he's a locker. The conga. He's a legend. But what I'm trying to tell you is he was going that route. So he sat there, I said, yo, we're the biggest. We selling millions of records, this, that. that. So he looked at me, says, all right, think about it. Leave your number, this, this, that. So when we left, he probably asked some grandchildren, some nephews, yo, you know, big pun and fat John, they was like, yo, them boys on fire. Like, are you crazy?

1:00:07They really are the guys. So he calls me up. He says, I'm going to make it happen for you, but you got to pay for all your own shit. I'm not spending a dollar on this shit. Except we said, all right. So we flew out to Vegas and we walked our idol in, you know, Trinidad being Big Punt. And that started all that. Like I seen people's eyes open up in the crowd like they'd never seen a rapper rap with a boxer. And he won that night. Trinidad won that night. And, you know, if I boxed, right? Welcome to the Fat Joe and Jadys show. Delusional records. and uh if I boxed and I knew I didn't have a shot I go in there that first second round with all I got and try to bring them with the kitchen sink blow you know not just bullshit and eventually you're gonna lose anyway and then we see that over and over in boxing when somebody tries like you know you about you know about that eighth round he gonna stick that jab there's a saying that someone says you know well done you did just enough to lose I don't like that and that's what so many people get into a fight and they're like, you know what?

1:01:21Losing on points ain't the end of the world. I can come again. It's like, but you never tried to win, did you? Really? Talk to a good game. Hardest sport in the game. You lose one fight and that's it. You're a bum, huh? Yeah, but I don't think so. I think that's the perception. A lot of people try to protect the O, right? And really, if you're in good fights and people want to watch you fight, it doesn't matter. We're known for our competitive matchmaking. Sometimes we had last Saturday, Andy Cruz, a Cuban. He's 6-0. He fought the world champion 23-0. Our guy's the Olympic gold medalist. He's only had six fights.

1:01:58So we gambled. We lost a real close decision in a brilliant fight. And everyone's going, why'd you put him in that early? You know, he's like, no, no. We all believe he was ready for that fight because he's an exceptional talent. But guess what? He was in a great fight. Everybody loved the fight. Everyone said, respect to you. You had six fights. You rolled the dice. next fight, he'll be back. And guess what? His profile will be higher and we'll go again. So it doesn't, don't get me wrong, you never want to lose and you don't want to lose two men. But if you're in the great fights and people remember those nights and those fights, it's not the end of the world.

1:02:32Somebody I really love, Anthony Joshua. Yeah. Destroyed Jake. You biased too. You with the UK like a motherfucker, Eddie. I watch you at all the fights. He's like, you're like a little darn kid. You got your little silent. I had the flag that night. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That motherfucker, he looked like a Greek gladiator compared to this guy. Recently, he's in a tragic accident. I met his friends, right? How's he doing? Have you communicated with him? Yeah, I was with him last week. I went to see him. Just, man, so trapped. Like I said, we come off the back of the Jake Paul fight and it's been a tough year for him because he lost to Dubois, got knocked out for the world title.

1:03:14I don't mean he took it that well to defeat. He's a very brave face guy. Super positive. The energy is unbelievable. Emotional. Yeah, yeah. But like, just come on. Yeah, let's do it. We're on it. Yeah, let's go. You know, and then. That's hard. It is because that's. That's hard in any game. To keep getting back up and say, yeah, I can make it. I can do it. Here we don't sell a record and then we still got to come back and say, I believe in myself. I'm going to do it. That shit is hard. And especially when you got to go in and fight, you know, in a ring with the whole world watching. So we come back.

1:03:45We got the Jake Paul call, which was a blessing from God. I mean, you know, the profile, the audience, the fight itself, the money. Everything was unbelievable. Finished that fight, you know, busted his jaw up. Brilliant guy. Do you know what? Marketing genius. Very smart. And by the way, I still say, people criticize him in that fight. Oh, he moved around the ring. Oh, he held. Fucking right. I mean, the guy was crazy. he was crazy even taking the fight. Second he sat down, he got rock legend. Yeah, but also, he took that shot on the chin. Don't get me wrong, it busted his jaw. But he still went down and went, wow, he wasn't asleep.

1:04:28No, no, he don't give a fuck. Let me tell you something. Him and his brother, two wild white boys, they don't give a fuck. No, but they're smart. And America buys into that shit because they like Rocky Balboa. And they fight, and they're fucking tough. I fucked with the Jake Paul and his brother Logan Paul I don't give a fuck I fucked with them but he definitely officially I would have said boxing is rigged if he would have beat Anthony Joshua I'd have gave up that's what people were saying to me oh is there a script oh are you going to take it easier and I'm like no I mean AJ had been out the ring for a year and the guy was moving around so I took him a couple of rounds to get hold of me but see that right hand we weren't playing I mean that was that shit was clubber lame body block glass job respect to him and anyway we come off that fight massive I mean all of a sudden we've got this new audience like women in America are like who is this guy this guy can be all my children in the soap opera it's like UK women are going have you only just heard about Anthony Joshua and they're like yes so we're on cloud nine like we're flying and then obviously he goes to Nigeria as the crash and it's just the roller coaster of life but that was just brutal to his two best friends with him every day in camp and he lived with him you know what I mean and that it's so sad you know and AJ himself you know injured busted a couple of ribs up but more importantly he lost his his two friends so again at a moment I think stuff like that takes a long time to sink in you know you ever get over it you know you're depressed I lost one of my best friends my sister my grandfather same time it took me two years real depression seeing that help and therapists and yo Lori you know it's mostly women that go see therapists right you ever knew that every week I would go it'd be 95 % I've never seen another man so when I used to go and I was going in secrecy because I'm really tough guy Fat Joe at that time and they got like these little rooms I guess they all rent and it's just women out there and I was the only guy who would come every Wednesday to see the women and uh Shout out Barbara Messer, man.

1:06:42She helped me a lot, you know, learn. And 30 years later, it was worth it. I still use what she taught me. You broke the mold. Now, I'm sure there's... You broke the mold because it's not all women now. Oh, when I was going in, I would ask her and she would say, not telling their business, she was like, it's all women with successful husbands who feel like they go out of town all the time and they doing their doozy. it was just me and them the women out there they must have knew Fat Joe because I was really you know, what's love was like number one in the world and I'm going for therapy every week and it was tough but she taught me a lot of things how to get help and all that so it's very important that if, you know he's going through that emotionally he should seek some help you could be a big man and walk up in there and get some help you know, therapy is very important for that you know, because some people deal with death I was just talking to somebody I love today that her mother's dying.

1:07:41And I was just telling her I lost... She knows. She came to the funerals. I lost my mother and father and brother last year. Three the hard way. And I told her, you know, the cycle of life. You know, that's actually... It's tragic that they're young and nobody knows how they're going to die. They died in a car accident. You know, that circle of life, man, is coming for all of us. You know? And so shout out Anthony Joshua, man. I hope he's all right, man. God bless his family. Top five greatest fighters of all time. And we can leave it at that. I mean, let me tell you about this podcast. It's the motherfucking Joe and Jay.

1:08:23It's your biggest in the world on Netflix. You know why? My partner's under the weather. I still shot it with him. Eddie Hearns gave us a 15-minute, 20-minute window. He been sitting there for an hour and a half. He loves this shit. He ain't going nowhere. Eddie Hearns, top five greatest of all time. Sugar Ray Robinson. Sugar Ray Leonard. That's my hero. Sugar Ray was the man. That's your father's stupid. Yeah. Well, just a quick one on that. When I started with The Zone, we built all the punditry, the commentators, everything. And the first thing I said to him was, we need Sugar Ray Leonard. And we signed Sugar Ray Leonard to do the football.

1:09:02That's a commentator. That's the right thing. He probably wasn't good enough to do it. But I didn't give a fuck. I just wanted to meet him and sign him. And, and, because he's, he's unbelievable fire. So, Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard, Muhammad Ali, of course. Freud Mayweather. I mean, Crawford, you're going to say Crawford? Crawford? Maybe. Do you know, the only thing with Crawford is he never got the chance to really fight the elite guys consistently because they never wanted to fight him. He would have fought him. He fucked on boy, yup. won the league fight. No, no, not Canelo. The other guy just before that.

1:09:40Oh, Errol Spence. Errol Spence was good. It wasn't Spence. No, but he was, he was, don't get me wrong, he was a good win, but he wasn't any fine, I don't think. No? No, not after. He was undefeated. You know, crash and stuff like that. But listen, it was still an amazing win, but Crawford, I feel like he had so much more in the tank because he was that good. What I'm going to do is I'm going to tie a number five with three or four guys. Crawford, Usyk, unbelievable fire undisputed at cruiserweight undisputed at heavyweight Evander Holyfield one of my favorite players he was a cruiserweight that went up to heavyweight I loved him and hate him he fought he beat up Mike Tyson I went to the bathroom and cried but you watch Riddick Bowe against Evander Holyfield no no Evander's one of the greatest of all punishment that fucking jab that boy oh my I tell you he punched me he's in a tie Queen Latifah chased me with a knife.

1:10:35Some of these guys, they want to prove I'm pussy. You know, he punched me right in the rear. Boom. Queen Latifah chased me with a knife. This ain't that. That ain't this. Grab the kit. Make some noise, Bob. Guess Mr. Eddie Herr.

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