Erick Sermon talks 'Dynamic Duos' album: Tupac, Biggie, Mobb Deep, Snoop & more

4 Dec 2025 · 1 h 30 min · 40 chapters

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In short

Erick Sermon (EPMD) discusses his “Dynamic Duos” album and the hip-hop “duo” chemistry behind classic records, while also reflecting on why producers weren’t credited, how he built his sound, and the business side of owning publishing.

Guest backgrounds

The episode features Erick Sermon as the main guest. He’s a foundational hip-hop producer/MC from EPMD, known for production that helped shape the sound of 90s rap. The host is Joe Crack (with Jada) on “The Joe and Jada Show,” plus frequent references to other music-industry figures (e.g., Pete Rock, Redman, Nas, Biggie, Tupac, Snoop, Pharrell, Dave Hollister).

Key claims

  1. Producers weren’t widely recognized pre-social media; listeners focused on artists, not who made the beats.
  2. Sermon says he learned song structure (like choruses) by working with sampled records and label guidance.
  3. He claims long-term financial success through ownership (publishing) and cites a Weeknd sample payout tied to 4% ownership.
  4. He regrets not taking certain artists seriously when they first approached him.

Notable examples

  • EPMD’s “It’s My Thing” sample origin and learning chorus timing.
  • Meeting Redman backstage at Clemson Stations; Redman’s line got him put on stage.
  • Near-misses: Nas (Illmatic era), Biggie (barbershop story), Wu-Tang (photo in 1989), and Rick Ross/T.I./Ludacris early interest.
  • R&B work: Blackstreet (“Booty Call”), plus Dave Hollister and other R&B artists referenced.

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Chapters

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The Genius of Erick Sermon

4:20 to 7:46

Discussion on Erick Sermon's impact on hip hop and his creative process.

“He likes that intro That's true That intro was Joe That's not He ain't fucking with me It wasn't you though He ain't fucking with me What?”

Memorable Music Moments

7:46 to 10:32

Eric shares nostalgic stories from his early days in hip hop and memorable music experiences.

“So black and brown people who be breaking out, most of them won't ever break out without product.”

Sampling and Song Creation

10:32 to 14:01

Erick discusses his approach to sampling and how he learned to create choruses.

“You guys made some of the greatest music ever created.”

Learning to Make a Chorus

14:01 to 14:48

Erick Sermon shares how he learned to structure a chorus in music.

“The label called Ted and Special K to come to Long Island.”

Meeting Redman: A Special Encounter

14:50 to 15:50

Erick recounts his first encounter with Redman and the moment that changed everything.

“How does EPMDC How does Eric Sherman meet Redman?”

Regrets in the Industry

15:52 to 16:47

Erick reflects on missed opportunities with artists like Nas and Biggie Smalls.

“He said float like a butterfly, sting like the rock group.”

Unrealized Collaborations

16:48 to 18:06

Erick shares stories of artists he could have collaborated with and why it didn't happen.

“I want to put this out here too for those who don't know about this.”

The Evolution of Hip-Hop Artists

18:07 to 19:39

Erick discusses various artists who approached him and the evolution of their careers.

“it's the time when you feeling like you're going to put an artist out of work with him or you could be going through other shit where you just not focus on...”

Pioneering R&B and Hip-Hop

19:40 to 21:06

Erick highlights his contributions to both R&B and hip-hop, showcasing his versatility.

“Their second single, they say, because you didn't know my flow, fat like Joe, like Joe.”

Freedom in Podcasting

21:07 to 22:01

Discussion about the freedom that comes with hosting a podcast and its significance.

“When I was doing Blackstreet, Pharrell was in the corner.”
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The Dynamics of Youth and Experience

22:02 to 26:16

Erick compares the perspective of younger generations with that of older artists.

“And whenever I try to do a favor, it's like, it's a favor, right?”

Financial Wisdom in the Music Industry

26:17 to 28:00

Erick shares his insights on managing finances and ownership in the music business.

“yeah but we don't care even with music too they be like you know you rhyming still or you, it's like this, man.”

The Evolution of Artist Compensation

28:00 to 30:33

Learn about the changes in artist compensation and respect in the industry.

“because you don't, it's not a rocket scientist to know if you look at, okay, here's the deals that Eric is making in these companies.”

The Evolution of Artist Compensation

30:37 to 31:28

Learn about the changes in artist compensation and respect in the industry.

“You can bet NBA games any night on the app And if you think you know the future script for this season, lock in your future bets.”

Reflections on Career Opportunities

36:04 to 42:01

Hear Erick Sermon's reflections on missed opportunities and industry evolution.

“Monthly rates on the Total Base 5G Unlimited plan.”

Reflections on Acting vs. Rapping

42:01 to 44:11

Erick discusses his experiences with acting, highlighting the challenges and comparisons to his music career.

“John Singleton came to get me to be seen.”

Tribute to Legends and Authenticity

44:11 to 46:09

A conversation about the authenticity of hip-hop and paying homage to legendary artists.

“I've been doing Def Ruggs for eight years.”

Collaborations and Artist Experiences

46:09 to 47:58

Erick shares anecdotes about collaborations with various artists and the challenges they faced.

“I mean, to the people who don't think I'm capped and take my word for anything, I told them it's a fucking genius.”

The Reality of Promised Collaborations

47:58 to 49:08

Discussion on artists who promised collaborations but didn't follow through, with personal stories.

“Yeah, yeah, he let me fuck this nigga, dude.”

Financial Lessons and Career Guidance

49:08 to 53:11

Insights on financial literacy and career guidance from industry experiences.

“is one on the the text yo he sent it no response you know man and listen I was one of those guys I make a lot of you you was one too Yeah, Kanye West told me, Snoop told me one time.”

The Influence of Financial Advisors

53:11 to 56:01

Erick discusses the role of financial advisors in his career, revealing past challenges and lessons learned.

“And inside that building, though, kids, it was me, Joe, Dave, Harster, two short ended up moving over there.”

Lessons on Credit and Financial Awareness

56:01 to 58:00

Learn about the importance of credit and the pitfalls in financial education.

“But here, you got credit now because here's the new social.”

Trust and Betrayal in Business

58:49 to 1:00:03

Erick shares his experience with trusted advisors who led him astray.

“Sensodyne, dentist recommended defense of your sensitive teeth.”

Trust and Betrayal in Business

1:01:19 to 1:01:40

Erick shares his experience with trusted advisors who led him astray.

“5G access requires a 5G capable device in a 5G service area.”

The Music Industry's Exploitation

1:01:41 to 1:08:59

Discussion on how artists are exploited by record labels and streaming services.

“Went to his kids' bar, missus, family, cookouts, this, this, that.”

Direct to Consumer Marketing for Artists

1:09:00 to 1:10:00

Learn why artists should sell directly to fans instead of through platforms.

“The record's not going to get no bigger.”

Understanding Fan Engagement and Revenue

1:10:00 to 1:11:26

Learn how core fans drive revenue regardless of larger fan bases.

“Listen, Ice Cube said that once he reached a million, he wanted to reach two million, right?”

Sampling Costs in Music Production

1:11:26 to 1:11:52

Discover the financial implications of sampling famous artists in music.

“Tell the people, man, because you've been philosophical today.”

Legal Issues with Music Samples

1:11:52 to 1:13:21

Explore the challenges artists face with sample clearance and legal disputes.

“How much did it cost you to sample Marvin Gaye?”

Connecting Music and Television

1:13:21 to 1:14:46

Discuss the influence of classic television on modern music dynamics.

“We're buying back one hour, 57 minutes, 36 seconds.”

The Dynamic Duos Project

1:14:46 to 1:17:43

Learn about the creation and concept behind the 'Dynamic Duos' album project.

“So I had it four years ago before COVID.”

Challenges in Clearing Music Rights

1:17:43 to 1:21:44

Understand the complexities involved in clearing music rights for posthumous artists.

“Every member of the crew caught something.”

Previewing Upcoming Music Releases

1:21:44 to 1:23:31

Get insights into anticipated music releases and collaborations coming soon.

“cause don't forget if they can't find Kiss then we gotta wait to find kids.”

Previewing Upcoming Music Releases

1:27:16 to 1:27:29

Get insights into anticipated music releases and collaborations coming soon.

“Monthly rates on the Total Base 5G Unlimited Plan.”

Collaborating with Legends

1:27:33 to 1:28:59

Erick Sermon shares stories about collaborating with legendary artists.

“And everybody who I kind of called or DMed, everybody said yes.”

M.O.P. and Street Culture

1:29:00 to 1:31:35

Discussion about M.O.P. and the street culture they represent.

“Yeah, they're going to go in sidewalk executives.”

Eric Sermon's Influence in Hip-Hop

1:31:35 to 1:34:08

Exploring Eric Sermon's impact and longevity in the music industry.

“I give you gaffes like you ship the people hand.”

Legendary Collaborations and Legacy

1:34:09 to 1:36:43

Insights into collaborations with late artists and their legacies.

“I watched the funniest guys to the richest guys.”

Where You At? Featuring The L.O.X.

1:36:43 to 1:38:00

Discussion of a new track featuring The L.O.X. and its significance.

“you know so I could've asked them and said yo and it still would've been like oh shit you heard that knew, you know what I'm saying?”

Discussion on Hip-Hop Collaborations

1:38:00 to 1:44:43

Joe and Jada discuss various hip-hop artists and their collaborations.

“When you hear them three letters, you know that they represent it.”
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3:02Yo, what up, y 'all? This is Joe Crack. Yes. It's your boy, Jada. Yo, it's the sermon. You know what it is. Yes, sir. The Joe and Jada Show. Every show legendary, every show iconic, and we never let you down. Today's guest, when you think of hip hop, when you think of style, fashion, iconic, when you think of one of the first sonically voices that drove everybody crazy, when you think of camaraderie, chemistry, when you think of production, when you think of a mentor that created a motherfucking conglomerate in the dynasty way back before people was even doing that kind of things with their labels and artists.

3:50When you think of somebody that's underrated, for those that must have been under a rock or just stupid, but you know what I mean? He don't really get mad because he gets to the bag and the bags get to him. So when you think of underrated and you just think of one of the people, one of the pillars in hip-hop that never fades away, he always finds a way to get to the vault. I know, honey. Ladies and gentlemen Make some noise For Eric Sherman

4:19First of all He likes that intro That's true That intro was Joe That's not He ain't fucking with me It wasn't you though He ain't fucking with me What? Nah you ain't Yo that's a great intro but You wanna pull it back You wanna try to top that boss First of all I ain't get the memo Or the camo Y 'all look like y 'all join MAGA and shit Yeah yeah but that's some other camo I'm all fucking the move. It's that Jim J.G. Yo, stand up. Give him the whole shit. Yeah, give him the whole shit. He look like the Count of Monte Cristo. That's fantastic. That's it right there. In the hat. That's the Count of Monte Cristo.

4:57In the hat. This motherfucker look like he killed the whole community right now. This nigga's crazy. Yo, Eric Sherman, a genius. That's the words he missed out. You're a fucking genius. You're ahead of your... He didn't say the word genius. No. No. I'm trying to tell you something. His name is Eric Sherman. Not Sherman. That's how Joe pronounced it. What do you want me to do? You already threw the flag? That's a legit flag? I've been calling the Maryland Sherman my whole life. A lot of people. I take that one back. I take that back. There's a lot of people that say that. I don't correct everything I say.

5:39You took it back. I took it back. I pause the credit back. You pause the credit back. The flag. Rewound it. Eric Schmidt. The word I got to use is genius. Ahead of his time, musically, production-wise, pause blows my mind to this day when I listen to EPMD. I pause, bro. I pause. First. Damn, man. Well, everybody know that I - You motherfuckers got this camouflage. No, John, y 'all want to shoot the plates up. Hold up. Let me - The motherfuckers want to shoot the plates up, huh? Let me do a sidebar real quick. This is crazy. So Just For Men is my go-to, right? Not no more. Wait, wait, wait. Let me finish.

6:19Don't do that. Let me finish. Let me finish. Joey, I'm going to throw two flags. Listen, I didn't give it a shot, right? So I gave it a shot because Just For Men wasn't in CBS. So I see your shit, right? I said, I don't know if Joey's shit is correct. We number one. Okay. You know what?

6:44I get rewind right I open up the box and I'm like oh shit he got two for the price of one in here now now now now you got me so now I try it and I'm like yo this shit is just as ill but it lasts long. It's the Rolls Royce of hair coloring. Listen, I'm here not to give you the plug because you plug all the time. But to tell niggas it's the truth. See, I'm never going to show my gray. Girls like it. They're liars. They're liars. I'm never going to show it until it's time. Eric, they want you off the market. No, off the top. This right here is the truth. Go back to the genius. No, but thank you. Thank you.

7:39It's the truth. It's the Rolls Royces. Double the product. And actually, our numbers are better than their numbers. Yeah, but what did you get? You know, I was a customer. And it's pneumonia-free. So black and brown people who be breaking out, most of them won't ever break out without product. Some other product makes people get bumps, go to the hospital. Oh, that's a fact. It never happened to me. I've been painting my shit since I'm 20-something. And you come with a fucking shit to remove. Yeah, you're the removed. Like, yo, you went all out. Yo, see, Kiss, he don't know about this part. Yes.

8:14Kiss, you ain't there yet. You know what I feel like right now? I feel like Eddie Murphy. Fuck you, yes. Fuck you, too. Nah, it's the shit. It's the hottest shit. Smoking, man, I think. It's not hype. Not hype. No, it's not. Not hype for niggas. And yeah, yeah, CBS, Alex. You know what I'm saying? Stop the shop. Yeah. Let's go back. Let's change the subject again. Okay, yes, I was involved in selling over 70 million records. That means that when you count all the albums up that I was involved in, that ends up at that type of number. I just want to put that flex out there for niggas that want to talk about that.

8:56Why do you think that people don't give you your props or you're not really appreciated like you should be? I think that, again, if we would have had this type of social media back then, it would probably be more talked about, probably. But we didn't have it, so people just heard records. It wasn't about the producer. It was about the artist. Nobody knew who made shit. So Pete Rock, we mixed, you knew about that, but as far as the action production. Listen, when Mean Prouders came in, we thought that everybody that we heard made their songs. I didn't know what a producer was. I just made the records because we had the rhyme on it.

9:35So we, you know, we made the songs. Afterwards, we were like, y 'all producers. We had no clue. We thought that everybody we heard made their records. That's them. I believe that because, you know, in Flojo, I did Flojo all three verses and hooks without a punch. I didn't know what a punch was. So everybody knows Fat Joe. And then when it come, everybody, you got a Flojo, they in the booth with me. You got a flow, Joe Everybody knows set I didn't know what a punch was I never could do a studio Me and Paris came from side by side In the mic Like this Wow So we didn't have no We didn't have enough Yeah, we didn't have enough tracks So we had to do that When they got time to do the mixing You would go up and down If I was low or higher But this is what we did like this.

10:32There was no other nothing. You guys made some of the greatest music ever created. I remember me hustling, me in the streets. Me taking, they had these cabs called OJs. So in the Bronx, you could rent the OJ for$25 an hour. So when you was hustling and you made enough money, if you ain't own shit yet, I'm talking about crack era, it wasn't heroin, it wasn't big money, you rent the OJ for four hours. So a guy like Jada would just smoke his weed, chilling. Me, I'm in the back. No, no, I'm just saying that's the point. He likes smoking. Throw me in at eight years old. He likes smoking that shit. He would have been in the OJ, smoking his shit.

11:15They would have been driving him around and listening to hip hop. I'm going to Spanish Harlem to see my girlfriend over there in 106 and 1st in the OJ to beaming shit, but I'm pumping EBMD. It's a different, you know, when you ain't got it, but you just getting it. You selling a couple of cracks making$300 and you know what I'm saying? You ain't really got it, but you sitting in the back of a bima, you sticking your face. You know how the dogs stick their face out the car to get the air? You sticking your face out that shit listening to EPMD, Kid and Play. It's all 88. Bismarck is 88. You know what I'm saying?

11:54Those are classic times for me. I like to know that... He was too young. You assembled. Nah, I got one. Nah, nah, he know what Tom G is. My uncle, rest in peace, Tom G. He was like an ill, one of my illest uncles. And he had the white Celica. Celica picked me up. The system was crazy. Take me downtown, 125th Street. It's the mixtape, Rockin' Will, all of that. Get something to eat. I remember one of his favorite tapes that shit had, It's My Thing on. He kept just playing it. I'm like, This mob's saying. Easy. I just told him, play it all the way back to Yawkes. I remember that. And I got on to Yaw.

12:36Your music selection of samples. Right. Where does that come from? Your mom's, your pop's? Yeah, my dad had a bunch of records. One thing about me and Paris is, nobody would ever believe it, though, but we didn't know about digging. You know, as far as, you know, going to get records and have record stores. We Long Island, we don't have that type of situation. Whatever was in front of them speakers, because don't forget, back then, the records was against the wall unit. So whatever that was over there, we took to the studio. Whatever Paris had at his crib, he took to the studio. So the records that was there was, again, Parliament, of course, you know, Earth, Wind & Fire, BT Express, the whole now.

13:16So what you hear, what you're saying, Jane Brown, you hear, you got The Whispers, you got Paddy the Bell, you got, you know, those type of records. Earth, Wind & Fire, you know, whatever you got those. One record we got from the label when we signed the Steven Bagg records, we got from that was sitting underneath their record player, you know? So there was no digging. Whatever that was at the crib is what we sampled. Man, that was the best sampling. And the It's My Thing, too, of course, Break Beats was out, too, back then. So prior to the DJ, he had those. So we had the breaks. That's where Jane came from.

13:51That's Joe Tex, It's My Thing, Submins of Punk, the whole nine. But again, we made these songs and we didn't know how to make a chorus. So our records was just going like this. The label called Ted and Special K to come to Long Island. He says, give me that record that you sampled It's My Thing from. So it's that Mr. Funk, right? Because we just got the sample going, boom, boom, boom, boom, going. It's my thing going. None of it, no antics, no nothing. They come in and they get to the part where it goes, particular, particular, between ben, ben, ben, ben, ben. So I'm like, okay. They had the indent when the chorus is coming in.

14:33That's when I learned how to make a chorus. Before that, I had no clue. So I owed them that. Because now when I'm making you a customer, now I'm going, get down, get down. Time keeps on slipping. So I'm knowing how to format now. How does EPMDC How does Eric Sherman meet Redman? We had a show at Clemson Stations in New New Jersey, which is like being in Brooklyn or being in some place where... We know in New York, man. Shout out to New York. Shout out to the Brick. Shout out to the Brick. Clemson Stations, though, you can get robbed in that place. Big time. Right. So we go backstage, and I see Do It All from Los Underground.

15:17He rhymed for me. At the defense, he rhymed. He said, you're my DJ, Rhyme. right it was Reggie no so Reggie said oh he was their DJ he was his DJ that's it so before those are undergrads this was through it all I said go ahead and say something he says I float like a butterfly sting like the rock group he didn't say Muhammad Ali so I stopped him he immediately was like put him on stage that night didn't even know him now the crowd saying yo what's Redman doing up there there's people that knew him for Newark But that's how my thing was. I already knew it was special because he didn't say sting like Muhammad Ali.

15:56He said float like a butterfly, sting like the rock group. When I first met Murray, it took one of them lines. Let's squash the beef, cook it, and we all can get fat. So all I saw was a hamburger, so-and-so, rising, whatever in my head. Metaphors. that's why when Nas came to me when he was doing Illmatic I gave him seamless beats because I didn't understand Queensbridge because my rhymes was when I S-P-E-L-O solo that's the fix wow Redman I got A's bitch whatever it's all so these are metaphoric people my only regret not to go in someplace else is me not taking Nas seriously because when they left me with the Pete Rocks house.

16:46Damn. You had a chance to do that. To be on that Elm. I want to put this out here too for those who don't know about this. Only on Joe and Jaden. Exactly. Somebody brought Biggie Small to the barbershop in Brooklyn. I ain't listening to him.

17:04You should get a tattoo with two strikes on y 'all. Yeah, you got to get it. Yeah, I know. Fuck! I'm sorry, Erich. Okay Again Fuck So this is two Mistakes Illmatic I could have been on Biggie I wasn't paying Attention to him I went to Staten Island Because Bernard's father Was a pastor At Staten Island I got a picture With me and Wu-Tang In 1989 With all of them On my IROC You know me and Paris Had twin IROCs Right Took a picture Me and Raekwon Went to go sit His name was His name was Shalada And we sat down On his step At his building I was going to sign Raekwon he talks about that too I could have had Wu-Tang Clan my mom was too young for that I get it so Teflon, Rick Ross I had Tony Draper put him to my crib Rick Ross slipped in my basement for months I didn't take him seriously he could rhyme this is just rappers that I had it's the time when you feeling like you're going to put an artist out of work with him or you could be going through other shit where you just not focus on...

18:16I'm already got money. I got my own groups. So again, I'm going to help you, but my focus wasn't there. I'm living next door to Corey Rooney. He knocks on my door and next to him is Curtis Jackson. Curtis Jackson comes in. We go in the basement. We make five records. And then we make heat waves. We don't do it like we do. So that was his first single. Before he got shot. So that too was, again, they brung that to me. But something happened. He's just the rappers that came to me first. Ludacris knocked on my door for a month in Atlanta. Atlanta, when you was already in Atlanta. But again, I looked at him as Reggie.

19:02So I didn't take it seriously, neither two at the time. My boy D-Mac brung the game to Fox Hills Mall. I told Game Spears at 16 He didn't know what 16 was Go to Vibe magazine You know on cap Whatever He tells the people Yeah I was gonna sign with Eric But he wasn't ready Let me keep going on rappers I mean I love what you said I don't know that many people That got my story Of those MCs That came to me Uno First That I could've had But you know that Could've Signed The crew you did assemble. Boss. Redman, Keith Mary, K Solo. Daz FX. Daz FX? You signed Daz FX? Yeah. They want effects. That's an Eric Sherman beat.

19:51I'm in the chorus. The live effects. They want effects. That's me in the chorus. Let me tell you something. Their second single, they say, because you didn't know my flow, fat like Joe, like Joe. Oh, my. I used to love that shit. When that shit came on. And Kiss is throwing flags. Kiss, come on now. Take them shits back, man. I didn't know that. Yeah, but I didn't know that. I did not know the Daz effects. So when you did all the positive things. Everybody know Hitmaker. Listen. Right? Six months I had him in the crib. Oh, Hitmaker. Six months. Oh. Talks about that story, too. I got to remember the people.

20:28It's a lot of people. I got to flex one time because I don't talk. I know. There's nobody like me. I don't give a fuck who out there. When it comes to... No, no, no. When it comes to... Listen, because again, people talk about shit niggas don't talk. I'm talking now. Fuck all the hip-hop style. My R &B, En Vogue, Jodeci, Mary J Blas, Chico DeBarge, D 'Angelo, for fucking Keep Sweat, fucking Brownstone, Angie Stone. This is... I was doing R &B as much as I was doing hip-hop records. But again, if you don't know, Black Street, Booty Call, that was my first single. It's no, everybody called me. When I was doing Blackstreet, Pharrell was in the corner.

21:12I got a, it's a record on YouTube right now where I left Pharrell rap with somebody. It's called bootnaglinization. I know it's the ill name. But again, that's a, that's a, that's a poor situation. It is. But again, I looked at Pharrell and I was going to do that, but I took Dave Hollister from Blackstreet. Dave Hollister was the man. And I did the first two albums. and then, two, Afonso Hunter. Niggas, they look over that. You know, like, this is... They're not me, nigga. I don't give a fuck who out there. Them niggas, I hear them talk. I got to do it on y 'all's show. Because, again, y 'all have big names.

21:49Khaled, Cardi. You know, this is Sierra. This is big names on this show. We got the biggest. Like water. We actually shutting them down. No, but listen. I just want to be honest. This show right here is out of control. And whenever I try to do a favor, it's like, it's a favor, right? So there's certain people who are legends, who are whatever, but I already know the people we turned down. So when they come, I'm like, how do I sneak them on this motherfucker? They snuck up the two Jewish guys on me. Jada kissing these motherfuckers. Two Jewish guys came up on it. They sat in here. They did that.

22:32And my partner. Yo, the motherfuckers stuck up on this shit like I said, what the fuck is going on here? They sat down. Jewish guys came with their own mic. Niggas sat down. They had their own mic. Yo, this, this, that, this. I said, yo, how these motherfuckers finesse that? This is a heavily secured building. Yeah, how they finesse it? They came in. I didn't know somebody I knew the fix was in. But, you know, I'm cool. I'm cool with everybody getting they shine, everybody getting they spot. No, the show is big. So, again, you know I did pause. But listen, you know what? Why am I doing this? I'm not even with that.

23:14No, you know why? Because this show, because you do it. No. Yeah, you do. Only thing I got a problem with is his favorite choice of meal at a concert or about a market. Nah. Yeah. I mean, food is good, though. I'm true to the culture. You see Big Daddy Kane posted himself eating the glitz. They starting to send me shit. The veggies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It was different. Yeah, yeah. It was different. It was different. That's no encipher, God. He got it. Make sure that was a Hebrew national. That was no encipher. Who changed the word from the hot dog pause? Who changed it? The new generation.

23:49OK. Well, the new generation got everything fucked up. They out here. You can't wear Air Force Ones now. Air Force Ones is grandfather sneaking. No, they're the grandfather. I don't care what they say. Yeah, they bugging. They're acting like you work in a hospital. They already try to abolish the block. This is the first time. They can't do that either. I ever looked at the youth and said, fuck you. Right. This is the first time in my life they could do the dumbest shit you ever seen. Paint their hair all wild shit. I don't do whatever they do. I'm like, God bless. The Air Force is the old man.

24:24Fuck you. Because they stopping your money. Fuck you. Did they stop being in money? I don't give a fuck about stopping the money. It's just now is less. I know. It's too much. Over the top. Over the top. You know what Mark Wahlberg tells me? What? Sylvester Stallone tells me. All in bread don't tells me. Joe, go ahead, Joe. You want me to flex and not? This is what this shit is. Yes. Big up yourself. Yes. You have freedom, Joe. The podcast allows you to have a freedom. You have no boss. You need freedom. Stephen A. Smith came and sat there and was like, yo, you guys, I envy you guys because I work for a big corporate company.

25:08You guys up here, you can do whatever the fuck you want. You have freedom. That's what this show is about, is having freedom. We can talk about whatever the fuck we want to talk about. To a certain extent. It's an invisible line, you know. And so my thing is, my thing is, right, what's going on right now, it happened in every level. You know, when we was kids, unfortunately, I'm sorry, everybody, when we was coming up, we young gangsters, 14, 15. We had to beat up the guys that was legends that was already 21, 22 years old in order to get a name out there. That's how you make your name in the street.

25:47So I see what the young kids are doing. They're like, man, fuck, these guys are trying to run shit till they're 100 years old. let's start with the air force old man shit they trying to date us and we out here talking about nah we trying to still get the bag right now like you trying to you know they're doing that consciously the youth is consciously trying to make us old niggas that's it they trying they do it they run that age shit a lot yeah but we don't care even with music too they be like you know you rhyming still or you, it's like this, man. I rap circles around men. I know, I know. They don't, yeah, I know.

26:29But they do that for some reason. When it's over, when it ain't, it ain't. I'm saying, Rich, you lost the battle. I'm case. Stop, my nigga. Yeah, that's one thing that Joe gonna let you know is about that bread. No, I'm just. I don't let people know right now. Don't come for me. Somebody tried to come for me because I don't speak about money, right? I fucked around and went on Drink Chance, made a mistake. I was trying to teach the kids about owning their publishing, right? About what you can, if it come back to you, you know what I'm saying, what can happen? So when Weeknd sampled the record, because I was making the money from Mario Wines, I don't want to know anyway.

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27:12I probably was making like$100 ,000 something like that. I don't want to know. Back then. But the Weeknd, one of the biggest stream of dollars in the world, between 1.9 billion streams. So my check was 250 grand every three months, right? For 4 % ownership. Just for that. Right, for that. You know, I don't cap on nothing. No, you got bread. No, no, no, but I don't talk about it. So if I don't have it, then you don't know I don't have it. You know? I've been buying houses since I was 20. This is not, this is a flex. I've been rocking a Rolex since I was 18. This is not something that that was, since it was new as far as how people talk about things, about whatever.

27:53I had, I had, I was buying houses in Atlanta I wasn't even living in. Apartments, the whole not, I never even saw them. Look at certain things because you don't, it's not a rocket scientist to know if you look at, okay, here's the deals that Eric is making in these companies. Okay, there's Murray's at Jive, Reggie's at Def Jam, Alphonse's at DreamWorks, this and that, whatever, Alphonse's at EMI. So if you see me on that, then I got my own group. Right? So now these are all these advances. I own all the publishing. I own my publishing now. So all this stuff you look at, whatever, not a rocket scientist.

28:28But I don't have to tell you that. But if you're going to look at it, then you look at it. Well, I know one thing that I determined a long time ago. These young cats, they only respect the bad. Right. Now, if you were broke, nice nigga, they ain't even giving it up. they not, they not they looking past you, the only thing they respect, when I see Lil Lotto young Lotto she be like, you get to me when I see these youngs the ones that do respect me, they be like get to me the young ones are getting it though, that's what I'm saying they came in a time where the money's heavy for them, it wasn't like that for us we had to hustle it was number one in the country I was getting$500 a show doing the chitlin circuit Philly, the Bronx Yonkers.

29:19Next week, Virginia, D.C., the fucking North Carolina, like, you know, $1 ,500. EPA's first record deal was$1 ,500. I got, Paris got $750. I got$750. I went to Marshall's, and then I went to grocery store. That means thanks, Cindy. They bought a Kia Coke. Why you keep throwing me in? They bought, they caught their advance, and they bought a Kia Coke, took it up to Yonkers. Baltimore, man. Baltimore? You're going to tell us. So y 'all did? He did. Say the story right. I'm telling you. Baltimore. It wasn't so feasible, right? 10 ,000 for three people ain't so feasible either. I know what I'm saying.

30:01I'm not against. Wait, wait, wait. What year was that, though? 90-something. 3 ,000. That's a lot. Ain't a lot of nothing. I don't know. A lot of. Well, my first apartment was 650 a month. One, one, one. one bedroom, one bath. You know what I'm saying? I ain't had no furniture on there or nothing like that. But you know, I was out the hood. I was in, uh... Where? Drozdnick in the Bronx. Oh. Drozdnick in the Bronx is like a mansion.

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36:44I land in Atlanta, I feel like I'm at home. Birds chirping. I love it. I love the people. I love the atmosphere. I love the food. I love everything about Atlanta. And I always wondered, did I make the right move when I moved to Miami rather than Atlanta? If I would have went to Atlanta, I would have signed all of them. Right. The future, the this one. Right, right, right. Everybody. I would have cleaned house in that bitch. They would have been calling me, you know, the king or something. Because I was signing. I signed DJ Khaled. I signed Big Pun. I signed Remy Ma. Could have signed Eminem. Could have signed Rick Ross.

37:28Could have signed Pitbull. The list is going. Smokey Robbins. Right? But in Atlanta, we got to get Smokey to wear some rewind. If Smokey could do it, let me tell you something.

37:44You know, any good thing, they laugh at you. Right. While you're doing it. And then when you get that bag, they come to tell you how much of a genius you are. They say, yo, man, you always know, Joe. You always know. When they hear this shit, the type of numbers this shit doing, they're going to be like, and I've been keeping everything. Right. No. But we are number one in CVS. We're the number one product of CVS. I just mentioned it to you. No, no, but the number one. Okay. You could buy toothbrushes. You could buy medicine. You could buy this, this, this. That shit's smoking them. Number one.

38:23The other brand you mentioned got 70s porn stars on there. You said the other brand you mentioned. Yeah. The other brand you mentioned, their box has got 70s porn stars. You know what I'm saying? The motherfucker, the motherfucker outdated, flabby, you say. Yeah, you say. This that new shit on Double the Pornhub. Yo. I'm telling you. No, I just, I told you about it. I'm working. I don't give a fuck. Now, you want to talk about my era. I came in the game, Jay-Z, Nas, Justice. No, no, no, no. Lojo was early, man. Yeah, but it was the same era. Way before Jay-Z. No, way before Jay-Z. Jay-Z, this is 96.

39:03Jehovah. I'm 93. Okay, what's that? What I'm trying to tell you is I came in there when I was already in the game making my 500. Yeah. Making my$500. These guys came into the game young. I watched them build billion-dollar empires. I watched Puff Daddy. Puff Daddy had the most visible see-through chain you ever seen in your life. I met Puff Daddy when he was promoting parties. Right. Before Biggie Smalls, before he had anything. So he used to run up to me when I was in my beamers and beds. Yo, here's my flyer. When he promoting clubs, you mean back there? Yeah, yeah. Here's my flyer, buddy, for my party and this.

39:44And I watched these guys build billion-dollar empires. And I finally had to sit back and go, yo, it's time to invest. It's time to bring out products. It's time to sorrisarum, rum you could love. It's time to do real business, you know? And so that's where I'm at. I'm behind the eight ball when you talk about the people I watch come in after me and fucking get to the back, to the bag, bag, bag. But nobody taught us. See, if you didn't do that, nobody would have told you shit. Nobody taught us. Those people just happened to know. My man told me to make clothes after Carl Kanai. I looked at him like he was crazy.

40:22I'm making clothes. I'm a rapper. I make music, you know? But he had the idea, but I never looked at it like that. That was a lot to do with it, too, where you felt like, you know, my brother, rest in peace, Raul, it's almost two years since he passed, but he had a lot. Raul told me because Raul was the cameraman Raul told me something that I thought was the dumbest shit you ever heard in the like he said bro every time you perform I see you drinking water why don't we sell water this is before anybody sold the water fuck hip hop I'm not talking about water water you used to get for free from the pump from the fucking water machine this then it was like yo we should sell water I'm like man ain't nobody that sound crazy Fucking water, nigga.

41:08Like, water? Water's free. Nah. I'm telling you, if you saw water. He had a couple of ideas prematurely ahead of time that we didn't take serious. Had we took him serious? I mean, when I go to his, to the grave all the time, I always tell him, I say, yo, Raul, man, you really had some ideas. Like, he had some ideas that could have put us in the game a long time ago, but we ain't really listen to him. You know what I'm saying? we wasn't thinking on that level. We was trying to be rappers. Right. Because you had an idea for a long time before you did that? My dad, he was in coffee for my whole life.

41:47Oh, okay. You know, foods early back in the day. He was always telling me, yo, you got to do your own. We got to do it. I was brushing them off. We thought, no, I tell him shit, he don't listen to me. You know, my man came to get me. My man came to get me. John Singleton came to get me to be seen. kiss. I was supposed to be in Shaq. John Singleton was in the Bronx. Jimmy's Bronx Cafe. Every day begging me to be in the movie Shaq. I was supposed to be in Glory. I had to do something, so I told Denzel, go hold it. Yo, what's wrong with you, man? I'm telling you the truth. I had so many opportunities.

42:28I was too busy being in Jimmy's, being a rapper. I was like, yo, acting, I don't give a... Even to this day, my sister She doing a movie right now. I feel bad for her. I'm like, damn. She's like, yeah, 18-hour days. Acting is almost torture. It's fun. It's great. I think it lasts longer than music, to be honest with you. If you have a fucking hit movie, if you have a car. I'm not mad at the movies with you on the sofa with the gun in the sofa. I'm not mad at that film. I love it. I'm not mad at you two in the jail or on the camera when you was talking. and like, see, I fuck with you with them shits, B.

43:05But you know what happened, Aaron? I had a minute in juice, B. I was a star. Did they rob me? But I was a star. In the bar, in the lounge. Turn around. But my thing is, I love those moments, right? Shout out, she's got to have it. I love those moments. The problem is, I'm not the boss. Right. So right now, we joking. We're like, y 'all, let's go. Over there, it's like, they was waking me up six in the morning and my scene was at 10 at night for fucking... I hate school. yo they were slaving me B and then I get to the hotel like you remember how your dad used to go home like sleep with the clothes on and shit and that's what I was doing and then it wake me back up 5.30 6 o 'clock the van's coming to get you I do the same shit I go over there and wait till 9 o 'clock at night to shoot the scene they had Joe Crack the rapper you know I remember your man used to pick on me Kevin Harbour yo this ain't the studio you ain't rapping wake up I'm like, oh, shit.

44:04The acting's a whole different type of what they do to you. But I love the finish line. This right here is tangible. Now, for those who don't know, I got a company called Def Ruggs. I've been doing Def Ruggs for eight years. Oh, yeah, I got my runs. Every last one of y 'all. So I don't know if you got a review. I got it. Yeah, again, right. See, I don't want to do the flex thing. That's too much. Niggas, talk about what they do. These niggas are not me, nigga. They're not me. I got a deal with Levi's that come out January you know Naj just did they signed two people they did him they did EPMD right I need that we gotta buy that Danny I know that shit gonna be crazy I have a Netflix not Netflix Stars documentary series called 88 Fresh that's coming in February right wow I want to see that this is the silent part of whatever cause this is how to cry it because I'm an introvert at first.

45:02But on this show is where I decided to say, okay, you know what? Because you brought it up of underratedness. So I'm doing it, you know? They don't hear me speaking, so I'm speaking now. And since this is what you not have to do, what people are doing, I'm doing minds at this type of situation. This is your home. You know what's crazy? De La Soul came in and they kept laughing. It was like, yo, this is my favorite show. I can't believe I'm sitting here. No, it is. Looking at my favorite show. No, it's people. They sitting there like, yo, I'm looking at my favorite show. What the fuck I'm doing here?

45:35Yo, this is great. This is your house. Everybody that knew on my schedule, right? Ain't going to miss all the names, too. When this name came up, they were like, oh, word? Yeah, this is what it is. We the realest. We the most authentic. We the most realest. We preserving the value. Fucking none of us to do. But this is that. Yeah. we pay homage to the true legends yeah we got you right now we got Bill Bellamy we ain't fronting on the legends this is water this is liquid I got you you come in here you lay on the couch you do what the fuck you want this is your house this is the house that you built me and him we just here enjoying the time we get to sit with our legends navigate guys yeah and it's different levels of legends so De La Soul come here you come here I start by saying you're a genius.

46:26Right. Right? I mean, to the people who don't think I'm capped and take my word for anything, I told them it's a fucking genius. What he's even able to do is out of this world. Like, I'm amazed. You know, I get amazed by some of the guests that come here like you and I sit here and every time I talk to you, I know you're always quiet. You mind your business. But, you know, you put in that pain in this game that shout out my brother Opie Megatron, man. He plays EPMD every day. He puts you on his Instagram every fucking day. And so there's people who really love you, man. Opie, love you, man. Everybody, people really, really love you and your contributions to the game.

47:10Ain't for you. We ain't got no Redman. For some man named he passed away. I think he was used to be with y 'all back in the days. He was role manager. Big guy. Oh, Alvin Tony. Alvin Tony. Yeah, yeah. How you know Elvis? He started, somehow we got, somehow, I don't know if it was through a promoter or that. Somehow, I did a few shit. Oh, you did, but didn't you do some work with him as far as rapping somebody? Yeah, I did. You did a deal. I remember when that happened, he said, yo, yo, I got Jadakiss on a record. I'm like, no, you didn't. I can't get Jadakiss on a record. I used to just hear him about you.

47:47What? No, you can't get him on a record. Listen, now, I'm glad you brought this up. this nigga right here use the bathroom yo yo yo yo yo let's talk about it yo yo listen yo listen yo yo yo E-Cenna yo yo yo E-Cenna whatever yo I got you one month two months three months yo what up yo E-Cenna we talking about J-Dak yes oh no no he's the hardest he's the hardest I remember when I no but he's on my lifestyle he says okay I had to track this guy down into the studio. I had to call D from the Rough Riders. Like, I had to call him in the studio. I thought it was just me. It was the hottest record out.

48:34My lifestyle was this shit. Yo. And I was like, yo, I need you. Like, it was like, get Jay to kiss. Yo. You know, he one of them guys. Yo, kiss just left on us, B. Yeah, yeah, he don't. Yeah, yeah, he let me fuck this nigga, dude. Kiss, will you see that? In that one. In this one, too. in this one yo when you get home and rewind the tape yo B yo man he smashed you though on the phone the okay yo I got you who's some other guys who've okayed you and never showed up like T.I. T.I. is one on the the text yo he sent it no response you know man and listen I was one of those guys I make a lot of you you was one too Yeah, Kanye West told me, Snoop told me one time.

49:24That didn't know. So I didn't even get mad because I was that person that one time. You know? Didn't do it on purpose. Maybe something's going on at the time. Yeah. So I can't get mad at him. I couldn't get mad at such a... I thought Nori did it one time, but when it went straight to my email, I would have never known because it didn't tell him on the phone that I got an email. So I'm like, Nori, yo, damn, I hit you a month ago. What up? He said, Eric, I've been sent that. so again on the email yeah it was on the email you know the artists say Remy Remy would meet DMX he would tell her he's gonna do a song where I should come back this is a young Remy and she'll come back and I'll be like I said yo he ain't doing this I'll be like you know it's certain artists you would meet that's what happened with me when I met R.

50:14Kelly R. Kelly you made the hit record yeah but R. Kelly came to me I seen him all star weekend he said yo Joe I want to work with you I said brother do not lie to me right I said Kels don't lie to me I'm not the guy I was still very ghetto so I was like yo don't lie to me three fat Joes ago and fucking 24 chinchillas ago I was chinchilla'd out like this nigga at the chinchilla refrigerators hold up what year was that Joe I don't know because I was battling with you on the radio with records with that hit record. I think it was 2001 or 2002. Either I was battling with you with music or either React.

50:56But for some reason, we was on the chart. Me, you, Sean Paul, and Missy. Ballin'. Big boys. 2002. Like that week? 2001? Okay. 2001. So music. Philly All-Star. He told me he's gonna do a song with me. I'm like, yo, bro, don't lie to me. I was just way too ghetto at that time. And I went down to Orlando. We cut it. you know what I'm saying? This song changed my life. But, you know, we talking about guys who you meet and you swear you're going to do a song with then they disappear. And I used to have like Remy would come up to a couple of guys would come up to me and be like, yo, I met such and such.

51:33He said he's doing the song with me, B. I'm like, bro, wish upon a green clover. He said Remy Ma, DMX, he was going to do a record with her. Premature. She was mad young. I was like, I think she could have got that damn thing. Yeah, but Joe said, hell no. That's not going to happen. He did it to Tone Sunshine. Love Tone Sunshine. Like, Tony, oh my God, you incredible. Tony went to LA, hung out with that dude for like a fucking week where he went to do the verse. He fell asleep in the booth, some shit. Tone was like, yo, send me home, God. Like, I can't do it no more after 60 games of pool and this and that and motherfucking riding his cars and all that tone was like, yo, send me.

52:20It is what it is. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes. Listen, man, I was one of them, B. Easy, man. So I know. Oh, you know. No, no, no. No, no, no. But you missed it. I was one of them. That's why I don't even look at it. I was one of them. I promise you. Niggas would say, I was like, yo. And there'd be production most of the time, sometimes. I'd be like, I just didn't do it. Bernard Alexander, he saved my life. I was already in. He told me about that. Wrong skin. About money. Yeah. Like, I was in the Bronx, caked up, and I refused to move. Even though I was in the nicer part, it was still Thrasnake, one and one.

52:55And my wife was like, yo, we got to get out of here. All these strange cars keep coming around here and this and this and that. And so I hit up Bernard. Bernard was like, come to Jersey, bro. We be over here. It was brand new. Changed my life. Brand new. It was. Got the townhouse in the water. Townhouse in the water. Yeah. Know what I'm saying? And inside that building, though, kids, it was me, Joe, Dave, Harster, two short ended up moving over there. So we was all in that. What I know was crazy is I knew they was hired 50 Cent after 50 Cent got shot. I'm waiting for 50. Oh, they drove into the polka dots.

53:2750's coming. Right? But he don't know I knew where he was at. Oh, OK. You know what I'm saying? But you know. He don't know. But Bernard was managing it. Huh? Bernard was managing it. Yeah, it was none of my business. Oh, yeah, at the time. I didn't really know either side or whatever. And they was like, yo, I can't 50 Cent. just got hit up. I was like, all right. You know what I'm saying? Like, what do you want me to do? They have, you know, we had a good time over there. Let's talk about the new project. Okay, good. Okay. Okay. We had enough because we flexed. Jada went to the bathroom because he wanted to hear about himself.

54:02And then we had the product promoted and you flexed about, what time was it? What's the new project? You got the Eddie Murphy shit where you can close the roof? No. Eddie Murphy let me tell you that documentary that's how I want to see my OGs now after you we have Bill Bellamy that's really what I don't want to talk to you about Eddie Murphy but I watched you saw the Eddie Murphy documentary that shit was fire and that's how I want to see my OGs big yeah we never saw him flex before like that all the motherfuckers dying broke and all this and this and that I'm just happy Joe you know nobody I keep telling you We're not taught.

54:45If we was taught literacy about money and how to do certain things, Paris was the one that showed me about homes. Because he bought them first early. I'm like, you know, what are you doing? You know, with the houses and stuff. I didn't have no house at first. He did. I had an apartment. And I didn't know. And then Burt Padell was everybody's accountant. So Burt Padell was doing what he can do. But he was a crook. No, Burt would just get you what you needed. but he was switching the he was switching your social numbers back then so for the gig to get credit let me go take a piss break let me hear about I want to hear about Burt I want to hear what Burt was let me hear what Burt was doing the bank was in the downstairs so say if you're young and you're new see I didn't my social number wasn't the social number that he had.

55:44So I got to go get a social security card with my mom's one time, and it was a different number. That's when I noticed, okay, before you heard about the scams of getting dead people or getting whatever like that, that's what was happening. So if I wanted a new Benz or a home or something like that, I didn't have credit. But here, you got credit now because here's the new social. it wasn't said like that until you look at it you know what I'm saying but that was you know again something that we didn't we didn't know till later Bird Pieces was it and then early Bird was already yeah but we didn't know he had every client everybody was with Bird everyone actors so whatever was him but when I went to get a new social security card and it was a whole different number.

56:40And then I found out, okay, this is how you can get things with these socials when I learned stuff. But again, being taught about money, we didn't know about money. Everybody had the same program. Lawyer, accountant, business management, the whole nine. I didn't know the lawyer was working with the label until later on, no matter how funny they speak to you, everybody is in cahoots with each other. So this is how it works. But you didn't learn that. You think everybody is just cool. But the business, it is a business, you know? And you find out later on. So that's how people get stuck and we get IRS and people go to prison and go to jail for such and such for not doing that.

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1:01:36I had an attorney that I really trusted and I really, really loved. Went to his kids' bar, missus, family, cookouts, this, this, that. My accountant that I had, his son became a quadriplegic, so he had to tend to his son because he was in an accident. So my attorney that I trusted and loved forever introduced me to an accountant. this accountant is the guy who stole my money and I eventually went to jail for so I never fucked with this guy again my lawyer I told him yo bro I can't fuck with you no more you set me up with this guy now I seen him yesterday I'm in Miami I got a private show for Harborview all of it I seen that you know I'm there Harborview baby in the scotch so it's like I'm up in there you know Laura Piana you know he said big money was in the building so I had to throw the Laura Piana I don't even know who that is oh what is that don't buy a fucking don't buy a handkerchief in that bitch that shit real deal you know what I'm talking about Danny that shit never level but anyway I come out the elevator and I see him I come out the elevator and I see him last time I saw him was at Chris Lighty rest in peace right funeral he tried to talk to me I just came out of jail I was like yo my man don't talk to me don't come around me don't talk to me because he also disappeared when I had the case so boom I seen him the other day St.

1:03:14Regis in Miami he was like hey Joe and I said what's up I kept him moving after that and I don't think I'm over him introducing me to the accountant who kind of destroyed my life and I lost all my money went to jail this I just, you know, I tried to be, I was courteous to yourself, but I still felt the way. You know what I'm saying? I went upstairs to my room. I was like, did he set me up? Did he not set me up? There you go. Seek the kingdom. Seek the kingdom. Sometimes you got to smack the shit out of somebody, then seek the kingdom. Yeah, because you went to jail for that. Jail. I also felt like I was somebody that in my own, you know, They can say I'm delusional, but I felt like I was somebody who never really got caught.

1:04:03And they wanted me, whether it was little, big, or something. These boys wanted me. And I felt like somebody got jammed up, and they said, yo, who you got? Fat Joe. Him. Get him. How could you give me him in the platter? And the worst thing is, you got somebody you trust. That's how they get you. Somebody you really, really trust. I just told kids, this whole shit is a business. Everybody works together. The same way Spotify works with the labels. Got to put that out there real quick. Somebody's making some money. Listen, if the president of Spotify in 2024, he made$300 million. He don't own the company.

1:04:44He's just the president. He made$300 million. What do you think Spotify is getting? So they're giving us 0.4 cent. Now Congress has passed the law. They're giving us one penny, right? So 1 million streams get you$14 ,000, right? Before, 100 ,000 streams get you$200. So all this whole system is fucked up for us, for the labels and the people who own Spotify. The president, not the owner, Joe, he made$300 million in 2024. That's great. And then he had a bigger... And these guys all... Yo, listen, they've all been crooks since the beginning of the time. in 2025. Oh, you made 400 million, 460 million in 2025.

1:05:30They take poor people. They got talent. They use them up. And by the time they learn the game, they'll dust you off and make you the old school at noon and get the new young person to jerk. And they just keep doing that and doing that and doing that. And people like Spotify and all that, these people are all... Whoever made... selling products. Whoever made up the point that 1 ,500 spins is one CD. So whoever made up the point that we only get less than one cent. You should get that fucking head, boy. Yeah, one less than... Who made that up. Less than one cent, though, too, is crazy. And then we getting a penny.

1:06:07At least with the label signed, too, we got a quarter at least. I said this all the time. If you sell... Let me ask you something. Let me go right now. Who the fuck the... I know. I don't know. Let me say something. Yeah. You put your pain, your soul, everything into this. let's say it's a CD. If you sold it yourself on a corner for$9.99 and somebody told you you was going to get eight cents? We're not doing that shit. Don't work for fucking EPS. You're right. Right? This is the only business that glorifies you getting right. I know. You get right. And the minute you learn that you've seen Prince with all that slave shit.

1:06:45Oh, no, he saw it first. The first one, him and Londo McMillan was the first one that started doing it. The second he started going like this, you at it? I'm also looking forward to this Michael Jackson movie because I think they're finally going to start speaking truth to light to where why he got attacked like that. You see, you got to understand, we didn't know the sophisticated ways of brainwashing the people and smearing people. They smeared Michael Jackson the greatest of all time. They had us thinking he was crazy. Right now, everybody rocking Botox. People bleaching their skin like it's some normal shit.

1:07:27People sleeping and fucking, what's my man, Forrest Whitaker sleeps in the air machine. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right, right. The richer you get, you doing what Michael Jackson's doing. Right. Buying art. You thinking this guy's crazy weird. He actually was ahead of his time. But even though we never thought Michael was getting jerked, though. Of course. We didn't know that was happening. Yeah, but what I'm trying to tell you is that Michael... You know what I'm saying? but we never Michael different kind of jerk yeah but I'm saying but he for him to come out and say Tommy Mottola's get you know whatever like we never thought that was happening Tommy Mottola's my friend no no no but what I'm saying Sony he's saying that's nuts Sony my thing is hold up we're gonna go back Michael J no it's so pro artist man for the artist no I'm for the artist too my friend and I also say hold up before you start one time I thought you was getting ready to say It's better.

1:08:21That's what I'm talking about now. If only my 8 ,000 fans give me$1, I made$8 ,000. That's more than me, Spotify, the whole nine. Now, if you give me, if 8 ,000 people give me$100, it's$800, right? At the end of the day, if you have a name, why would you want to go and do all that work on that album and go put it on that platform? I don't understand. Not the people that's new. the people who have names. Don't forget, Joe, you can make a record right now. I don't give a fuck how big it is. It doesn't matter. You're already Joe. You're already famous. You're already iconic. You're not going to get no bigger.

1:09:02The record's not going to get no bigger. You're not going to make no bigger record. It ain't going to happen. You're already you. But if you decide to make music, why not sell it yourself? You're already you. Where would you sell it at? Like, www.com? You do it on your own platform. When I do the product, when I'm doing whatever, you got fans. If 8 ,000 people give me$20, 8 times 2 is 16. It's 160 grand. It doesn't matter. Everything you can do direct to consumer is back now. Every www is never left. That means when every time somebody goes on TV, every star, everybody with product, you got to go to a website.

1:09:44It's the same shit. Go back to that. Put that Shopify and that fucking band camp on your shit and go, yo, go get my shit here. And again, let the platform that take it, that's promotion. But at least you got people. Listen, Ice Cube said that once he reached a million, he wanted to reach two million, right? Sell records. But he left a million people back here that was his fans. Your core fans ain't going nowhere. If you tell them to do something, they're gonna. So all of us hear that, you went platinum. them. You don't need a million fans. I said 8 ,000 people give me$200, right? It's$1.6 million.

1:10:23They're going to pay for what you want to give them. That means merchandise the whole nine. I got to preach that because again, that's what you do if you sell a material. If you be selling that though too, even though you, um, again, with a company, what a matter if you didn't, you're fat Joe, you're kiss. It doesn't matter. You do the marketing promotion on yourself and and bring them to your platform. I like to learn new shit every day. And that's what this show is about. I just give you the numbers. Like Jay said, numbers don't lie. It don't matter. They give you 50 bucks, 8 ,000 people. I'm not talking about your millions of fans.

1:11:01I said 8 ,000 and give you 50 bucks. Eight times five is four. That's$400 ,000 from only 8 ,000 people giving you 50 bucks. Talking about money? Come on, man. You talk about that's why people sit here and be like, you want to go broke. You don't want to do something. Here's how you don't go broke. Here's how you have, you know, you have shit making money while you sleep. I'm EPMD. That's why I'm sleeping. That EPMD shirt is why I'm sleeping. That money comes in while you sleep.

1:11:37We got a new project, brother. Tell the people, man, because you've been philosophical today. so we really want you to talk that music. Yeah, the music, well... I got one question. Yeah. I got one question. So you sampled Marvin Gaye. Yes. Right? How much did it cost you to sample Marvin Gaye? $200 ,000. It costed you$200 ,000. Right. Because it cost me that because when Bernard took the CD and went to L.A., he went to a convention that was happening with Clear Channel. They played the record. They added the record. so now they get to stick me up did it too fast so it was 150 it was 150 for Jan God Besser Dead the wife and then it was 50 ,000 dollars for the lawyer but it didn't matter because Clive gave me 4 million so that whole thing of how it went I went to J Records afterwards because Clive wanted to sign me the reason why I bring that up right because Pharrell getting sued.

1:12:43He didn't clear this. He didn't clear it. That's it. What they got sued for, like$7 million or something? $7 million or$8 million. Pharrell is smart. A little, a little. No, no, no. Well, he's kind of... No, no, no. He interpolated the song. He interpolated the song. He did. Listen. He said he didn't know. That was the fuck that part. Yeah, he said, yeah. Yo. It's always the thing to say, man, when you get caught. Yeah. I don't know. It's the smartest thing to say. That's the best thing you got. But it's the dumbest thing when you know the fucking planet Earth knew he jacked Marvin Gaye. The whole fucking world.

1:13:17When you hear the song, it's the same song. Same song. Yeah. They don't send us no Louie. Yeah. They ain't going to send us shit. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah. Yo, hold up. We're buying back one hour, 57 minutes, 36 seconds. Take that part out. We ain't doing that. This is interesting. what I'm saying is if I was around for a while I would have said yo settle with these people cause this it is what it is he was inspired by them whether he knew it or not yeah but listen you missing one Ed Sheeran shit sound like let's get it on and he won play Ed Sheeran's Marvin Gaye's it sound just like let's get it on and he won let me tell you some crazy shit I didn't think he did I went to the videotapes no play the record I did.

1:14:03I swear to God, I did. I went when he won. Just the same way you tell me. Yes, man. I listen to Ed Sherman and that, and I couldn't really make the same.

1:14:15Yo, yo, yo. Oh, my God. Yo, this one, yo, I swear. Ed Sherman. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Yo, when I watch this show, it's his reactions. Because that's what makes y 'all chemistry, I swear. because he leans back and he does this and like, yo. Let me tell you something. You know what this is? This is The Honeymooners where Ralph Crampton and Art Carney. Let's talk about the project now. Let's go. Let's go to the project. Okay, the dynamic duels. So I had it four years ago before COVID. I had the idea before you heard Nas, I figured that my colleagues wasn't working. I was wondering why nobody was making records, right?

1:15:01So I kind of got upset about that in my head. Like, you know what, fuck it, I'm going to make records for them. If they have studio problems, nobody making no beats for them, they'll hold on. So COVID came, so that took two years off. Kevin came and got me, Kevin Lowes. So we did a partnership at$300. $300, Leo Cohen sells it for$450 million to Atlantic. That took a year or something. That's a nice check. Yeah, but isn't that crazy? Leo got$4.50 from Atlantic, which is Mike and Julie, people that he put there. Now, that was a whole play. Keep going. If you didn't figure that one out. That was a whole lot.

1:15:41That was sell to Stiles P's running. Phenomenal. Now, let me sell the Jadakiss records to Stiles P. He got the bag over here. He going to throw you the smithereens. Like, yo, they all ran like this. And now. Let me tell you something. when he sold that shit. Kevin Lyle's my next door neighbor. Right. It was the first sighting I saw of Russell Simmons in like 10 years that it was next door. He called me and said, hello. Come next door. Everybody ran off with the bag. Their whole crew. They are the best that ever did it. Kevin's loaded. That whole, it's all def. Kevin, Leo, Julie, Kaiser. All of them.

1:16:20They took care. Everybody. All of them. Like, I mean, bad mania. All of them is caked up to the movie. Randy Acker. We got Randy Acker. But what I'm saying is they came in this game and said, all right, this is our crew and we're going to eat forever. Yeah. Make sure they're going to eat. Simmons showed up. They were throwing like the we sold the company for$400 million because they first said it was Kevin Lyles. Now you're saying Leo Cohen. I'm sure it was. You know it's not Kevin. That's Leo's company. You know they were saying Kevin Lyles. Kevin Lyle's through a party. He lives next door to me.

1:16:56Yeah, of course he is. He got money. Trust me. Kevin Lyle's lives 1A. I'm 1A. He's 1B. His house is right next door to mine. Wow. Russell Simmons FaceTimes me out of nowhere. I ain't seen him in 10 years. He said, come over. We're celebrating Kevin selling the company. I'm letting my fat flow. I got no shirt on, no nothing. I just put a T-shirt on. I go over there, put on my shorts. I go over there. and they celebrating. And I just, the way I think, you know what I mean? The hustling me, I said, damn, this man came over here to pick up the bag. They sold it. Russell Simmons came to pick up the bag.

1:17:37They just sold it. Check is in. Wire is in. Russell came from fucking Malaysia or some shit to get the bag, and he's going back. Everybody's caked up. It's what I'm trying to tell you. Every member of the crew caught something. You know, I just signed that deal with Leo. Well, I deal with partners in AI now, but that's another flex. But partners in AI? I went to his crib, right? I looked at a picture on the wall. It was a baby picture. Me and my man went there. Baby picture. I said, how much that picture? Because in my head, I'm just saying that it might cost whatever. He said, yeah, I paid$12 ,000 for it, but it's worth$5 ,000.

1:18:23It was a picture of a baby. This up. You know, whatever. I want to put this out there. Yo, I'm a graffiti legend. I want to meet Banksy. Who's that? Banksy's the illest artist in the world never shows his face. Yo, I don't know what's wrong. I don't know. Yeah, okay, listen. He don't believe nothing. Okay, listen. I don't know why. Wait, okay, listen. Let's go back. So, Dynamic Duo. Yo, listen, listen, listen, listen. Let me just get that. Banksy, somebody know Banksy. Fat Joe wants to meet the real Banksy face-to-face. I don't rat. I don't nothing. He's an artist. Nobody sees his face. But I'm a huge fan.

1:19:05We don't know where he's at because then we would have found him in the UK. And then it could be in Afghanistan, wherever, my name. Banksy just don't get sick. Okay, but Banksy Fat Joe needs you. Okay, one second. Okay, so after that, the shit was three and a half years so far. So now I do the Biggie Smalls Tupac record, right? So I get Biggie cleared, but the Tupac estate, I offered his sister$100 ,000. I give you$100 ,000 and you can keep the rights to the record. She didn't say yeah. I said no, but she wasn't coming back fast enough with the reaction. So I'm like, so what's going on? I found out that she was going through it with Universal, but then using Tupac music and making money off of it.

1:19:49In the movie? No, this period. Yeah, yeah, that too. So that delayed me. But I waited as long as I wanted to because I wanted to have that on the project, right? So anyway. I want to say, I don't know how. I cleared Tupac. And his lawyer owns the rights. Yeah, at that time. But now she's suing that. She need to get it. Like, I did not understand when I was paying the lawyer the$100 ,000. No, I went through every. Bernard called everyone that did the Tupac before with the RL. shit when you saw the video. Whatever we went to those people, we went to everybody. Nothing. So that gave more time. I thought his mom's fact she must have left it to the lawyer.

1:20:29I didn't have no clue. I didn't understand that. So how a lawyer robbed Wathen things on Stoop. Right. So then I had Prodigy. New vocals, the whole nine, so whatever. I called my lawyer. He called which is, you know, his friend Kevin. Then I talked to Pryce's wife on the phone. She sounded like she was saying, don't worry about it. I'm going to check the record out whenever I get back to you. Right? No call. I'm texting. There's nothing there. You know? So I'm like, so that's a holdup. So I get that late. That took time. I called Sean Pryce's wife. Then I talked to Drew Ha. Right? She says, call Drew.

1:21:18You know, I got Drew's number. so Bernard you know good guy just called Jew Jew said cool I still took time Nate Dogg estate I gotta call these people and say too do you want the money just tell me a thing it just took time eventually they didn't want nothing so you see all these people on the album that passed away it take time for the estates cause don't forget if they can't find Kiss then we gotta wait to find kids. The estate means everybody on the estate has to say yes if they're on the paper. So you can just have one person or you can have eight people. I tried to clear a sample one time.

1:22:02It went to the point of like, the man's dead. We got no more family members and nothing like that. We went to the burial type shit. They went to the, you know, the sample. The people who cleared the sample, they was like, yo, he ain't cashed a check. in 13 years. There's no... Like, we was looking like, you got to clear these samples because then it's on you if you let them go. Right. And they come back and sue you for that real money. Right. So anyway, all that happened and now it's coming December 5th. So again, this is volume one. Right.

1:22:41So volume one. It ain't just everybody who's there because I heard the record. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The record was sold. Yeah, but that was a while. That's when they sold 300. I didn't get a chance to get that. That was the first record that came, and it's gone now. But Reddermeth, Snoop Dogg and Nate, Helter Skelter, M.O.P., Cypress Hills, EPMD, Dog Pound, Conaway, The Machine, Game, Lil Wayne, Mobb D. This is volume one. and public enemy right volume one you sure i get on volume two i got you

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1:27:05Now that, that's a total power move. In the UFC, power isn't given, it's taken. So make your total power move today. Visit TotalWireless.com or stop by your neighborhood Total Wireless store. 5G access requires a 5G-capable device in a 5G service area. Monthly rates on the Total Base 5G Unlimited Plan. For new subscribers, applies only to the monthly rate for your plan. Additional terms apply. See website for details. So this is what I ended up doing through DMs. And everybody who I kind of called or DMed, everybody said yes. Some didn't say it, but again, I was able to get stuff started at the time.

1:27:47And then certain people, like I called Dougie Freshman Rick first. That's what I really wanted to do because I was trying to do, I'm going to do the show in my head all over again, my way and my version. So, but, and I, I talked to Andre 3000 way early. Oh, for them, $100 ,000 too. But, I did UGK. I did A-Ball MJG. I did Naughty. These are names are, I did Smith & Wesson. I got this already on that too for the back. And then you got the people too. You want to, do, Quota Locks, Ray and Ghost, Blackstar, Sue, that's already, you know, that you're trying to get to make sure I'm covering the bases up.

1:28:30But before Nas did this, Joe, I was trying to bring my colleagues just to say, you don't got to stop making records. But then time went by and now Master Pill do what they did. So now everybody's working now. But, you know, so... Everybody ain't always good, though. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, everybody working, everybody ain't always going to play on that. The plug-in, man. We got something to play. You bought us something? M.O.P. Oh, my God. Cranky Crocker, that shit, James. They got the A.C. on the last. Nah, it's just M.O.P. You know the A.C. is on, like, jail level. Sidewalk executives.

1:29:12No, you go in jail. That's shit. Yeah, they're going to go in sidewalk executives. Who called them? Who called themselves that? A hospital in jail? Sidewalk executives.

1:29:29Yeah, yeah.

1:29:34Come on. Eric Sherman. My, my, my, my, my, my things.

1:29:45It's good job when we pull up. Can we ride? Ground still and you don't wanna collide This is street certified Fire off weapons and Nigga you fucking with the sidewalk excitement I done played my part Done gave my heart Through my career done made my mark Imagine where I'm from Nobody walk faster than a nigga Going to get his imaginary gun After getting his ass beat up I'm M.O.P'd up I'm feet up I'm teet up Live from the mocks How about the backseat Holding my nuts S5 something double park I kick it with the youngins, every bastard on the block Hold up, hold up Hold up, hold up Hold up, hold up You want it for E-Dub?

1:30:24Bring that daddy back, nigga Hey, nigga, nigga Hey, nigga, nigga Oh my God I don't think they listening for this Come on Eric Sherman

1:30:47Much finer life, baby. Much finer life.

1:31:14getting his ass beat up i'm m-o-p'd up from feet up i'm teet up i'm live from the mocks how about the back seat holding my nuts s5 something double park i kick it with the youngins every facet on the block a shooter till you see your lawyer laughing with the process you watch for edub bring that daddy back knick-knack patty whack get you in your daddy This is street certified, fire all purpose in, nigga you fucking with the sidewalk executive This is street certified, fire all purpose in, nigga you fucking with the sidewalk executive I do so we flex when I text, so everybody know me Images of the 5-5-6 is my emoji, the bigger homie He told me he could show me a different route to the bag and I ain't got a hat or magnum on me.

1:32:05New York. Hip hop. Put you T-swag on me. Resume on display. You can't put a flag on me. Come on. $1.000 flow. Known as the people champ. I'm Axe Capital with a deeper tan. And, and, and. I give you gaffes like you ship the people hand. I still have staff meetings with killers in the band. Y 'all know. At rap shows, we the gorillas in the stand. Y 'all know. F-Govlin, you tackled in front of your fans. You a floozy. You move loosely. Bougie. I'm in the I-Rock. Triple black.

1:32:56We'll be right back.

1:33:07That was fucking beautiful. Billy and Fame. That shit was incredible, brother. I take Billy and Fame every time, man. I know. You had excitement. I had a great time at this show, y 'all. People that's watching this tour, to be on this sofa and to be with two. Again, it doesn't matter, man. Successfulness, Joe, you. We used to sit back and be like, yo, damn. He got another one? Or he got another one? Because in this, to come back and do every decade, don't forget, this is a decade from the 90s, 2000s, and then the late. So it's three decades of still being able to be relevant and still be able to say he was dropping music and not just regular shit.

1:33:48This was big records being made. It was hard to do that. People said, too, how did Eric be able to come back and come back with music from EPMD 1988 to 2001? you know that's a people don't do that that's a feat to be doing that you know what I'm saying so at the end of the day though you know again this shit right here is uh is what people talked about what they also felt on the sofa like this is a show that you guys listen man y 'all my boys but it's different shows y 'all came up fast you know what I'm saying like yeah we're not playing no it was fast people probably thought regular y 'all niggas be hatin like oh yeah that shit ain't gonna work They definitely were saying that.

1:34:30I know, nigga. I'm telling you I was out there. I watched the funniest guys to the richest guys. Yeah. I know what all the motherfuckers are saying. I was watching them. Nobody was believing. They were like, this thing ain't going to work. Ain't going to work. I knew it would. You want to know why? Because we respect the culture. We respect. Yeah, but it was the personalities. Yeah. About those who don't hang together. They don't talk. The way I look at this, I look at this no different than Shaquille O 'Neal. I'm Charles Barkley. You Kenny Smith. Oh, okay. He really played the game. And we respect and salute the legends on another level.

1:35:09You understand what I'm saying? Like, I used to watch these hip-hop documentaries, and they have guys on there commentating like they knew, and I'm like, I don't know you. And I got to know everybody. Hold up. You got the locks? Jay's like what are you talking about? Because if I couldn't get him that way you was going to get him. Exactly. Vocals they laid down somewhere. Damn chest. You see that man? Motherfucker making up the pasta noops. Dirty dog. They doing you dirty. Yo but listen it was just my version of it Joe until I get it to happen I had to make certain things. I ain't going to lie to you I don't want to die, but they definitely have a hundred Fat Joe verses in different studios out there that I just did one day and kept it moving, knowing that they would benefit off of it.

1:36:04I then went in regular bullshit studios, kicked 16, broke out. That's almost like, here you go. This is a retirement. So when, you know, Fat Joe's out of here and they put together the pasty shit, you know, y 'all got some shit. Y 'all can make a couple of dollars off that shit. You know what I'm saying? you know how a motherfucker put the shit together I'm DJ Zaddy Black pull out your verse from Fat Joe one dollar fella pull out your verse you got a couple of dollars coming your way they all looking like huh he knows we kept that shit yeah I know you hey kids you probably won't even remember and nobody's gonna know cause it's a record that again it didn't go you know so I could've asked them and said yo and it still would've been like oh shit you heard that knew, you know what I'm saying?

1:36:53I could have did that. But again, but now, since we know whatever it is what it is, I'm just going to play it for Siss and Giggles. B-I-G. Yes, that was dope. B-I-G. So you didn't hear that yet? No. Yeah. Well, I'm not talking about that. I was talking about the only thing in the history of life I didn't appreciate was like, Ziggy after he died, they was making... Yeah, I know, I know. All type of shit. I was just like. Same vocals though. I know. Same shit with two words. Two of, yeah, different. They freestyled it in the radio and changed two words. Mine didn't like that. And they did, yeah, that shit.

1:37:30You're not going to believe when you hear my shit. You're going to think them two was in it together. They rapped to the beat. Fucking legend. Yeah, dude, this is called, um, it's called Where You At? Featuring the Locks.

1:37:50Because it does.

1:38:35I got it. I got it. I got it. Where you at? We right here, dog. New York. Where you at? L-O-X. He's locked. Where you at? We right here, dog. When you hear them three letters, you know that they represent it. I could go anywhere. Here's those I got. I do it for the east as long as I got the coast. Go out on my shield as long as I got my oaf. Hip-hop can never be dead long as I got a post. I was a fly on the wall. Soaked it all up to spit it out with aggression. Felt away about it every since with affection. You better believe that the bottles is on deck. A's glue cookies gelato is on deck. Never sober is never over.

1:39:15Roll out 21 deep in 11 rovers. Head and shoulders That's where they point them things at Playing the game See how many heads we can bring back Yeah, at least it be authentic When you hear them three letters You know that they represent it L-O-X Where you had to be right here, dawg Where you had to be right here, dawg When you hear them three letters You know that they represent it

1:39:45That's great Do you remember that verse? You don't even remember it, right? You know, sometimes I go overseas and they have an after party and they start playing Fat Joe records. I swear to God, I sit there like, I don't remember them shits. They be playing shit. I be like, where did I do that? But everybody that I played heard you just now and you watch The Room, niggas like, what is that? That shit was incredible. Again, the rhymes was... But again, I could have. But I didn't want to do that because, again, I know how hard it be too, yo. I did that before. I know that. But it's a new record to everybody.

1:40:27I want Eric Sherman to produce my album. Take my whole shit. Are you going to play golf? I want to cheat, though. Give him the motherfuckin'. Just the last one and we're going to go. We got to go. We got to go, Eric Sherman. But this is a lower vibration of what I would do. This is Conway the Machine, Lil Wayne and gang It's gonna be kinda long cause it's slow But it's the vibe, that's all It's over Everything starts from now We all go down unless we stay together Ain't no one man above the crew You know that shit I ain't shit I ain't never gonna be shit You remember that motherfucker God mode, new God flow I'm God's son, 12 Gooses, my apostles When I air a sermon, it's gospel.

1:41:15My blow leave a pretty bitch with a snot nose. My blow leave a nigga chest with a pothole. Congo, gorilla like I'm from Congo. I go on a rap tour of Velazzo. I saw the Coliseum's, my name Colasso. My hoes, Doritos, homie, that's nachos. Condos on the top flows, Picassos. Hanging up on the walls at all of my spots, though. Yo, bitch, my dick smacking the tonsils. My fans be moshing like they at rock shows My man had a button on a high pole My yams the guard cook on a high stove Spent a ticket at South Ridge It's just the cop clothes What's saying, nigga? Now I saw it coming like a blind face I could see the future with my eyes closed These verses like some scriptures in the Bible On the Bible I'm in God mode Highway to heaven, no potholes I put you on that highway to heaven and take the high road.

1:42:10God knows. I'm weathering the storm, still in dry clothes. Still got my foot on niggas' necks, my nigga five toes. Got shot hoes coming out their shells like tacos. Got that wholesale and pussy wholesale like Costco's. I still come with syrup like Roscoe's and I got those chickens in the trunks with no wafo. That's Blanco. Pina Colada. I'm your cocaina provider. It's sweet as vagina. Trap house jumping like the Ramada. I like the Rwanda. Get high until I feel Nirvana. In ciphers I vomit. These rappers are biting like dama. When time is an issue, when I send a peck out as a missile. Dog fool, I done turned the trap house to a kennel.

1:42:45Brick man, in Miami they calling me Brickle. Hey, if you five I won't charge you a nickel word. Now it's all coming like a blindfold. But I can see the future with my eyes closed. These verses like some scriptures in the Bible. On the Bible, I'm in God mode. Last gangsta rapper alive, I swear to God against all lies. The only nigga that show up to shit without a squad. My presence is fit. Heart rates rise when my essence appear. No Stephen A. Smith here. I don't wear my hat open my ears, nigga. My influence on these rap niggas like Hennessy. And if we on the same song till it fade out, you my enemy.

1:43:19Lee Harvey and Kennedy. Dome shot. And I mean that shit. Like Saucy Santana trying to pull up my academics beat. So stop playing. Like a one hit wonders first song. Before I take you back to the old game. With the bald head and the shirt long. I'ma be here after the earth gone. When the ocean dry up. Weighing out fish, girl. Smoking herb till all the dirt gone. Fuck you new niggas You making a spot high You ain't gonna last for long It's like you shot pop Hated to love it The underdog still in the drop top And no blue French kissing something In one of them diesel crop tops Two Cubans around my neck Like I got to work Your last album So 20 ,000 the first week That got to hurt That's why I listen to Brent Foyaz And Papa Perk But not before I call Eric Simon to make sure he got the verse Now I saw it coming like a blindfold But I could see the future With my eyes closed Express his license, scriptures in the fireball.

1:44:07On the fireball, I'm in God mode. Let's listen to DT Vestals. Big time, big time, big time. December 5th, the album is called Dynamic Duo. Dynamic Duo. Dynamic Duo. Put the mob deep on. This ain't that. That ain't this. Crack and kiss. Give it up for E, sir, man. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you.

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Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by legendary rapper and producer Erick Sermon, and Sermon tells Joe and Jada about his illustrious hip hop career with EPMD alongside PMD and DJ Scratch, selling over 70 million records working with superstars like Jay-Z, Method Man, LL Cool J, and D'Angelo, the surprising way he met Redman, and his missed opportunities to get in early to sign future legends like Nas, The Notorious B.I.G., and Wu-Tang Clan. Sermon also talks about his upcoming project 'Dynamic Duos,' which features a star-studded lineup of paired legends like Tupac Shakur and Biggie Smalls; Prodigy and Havoc of Mobb Deep; Snoop Dogg and Nate Dogg; Method Man and Redman; and Billy Danze and Lil Fame of M.O.P.

5:30 - Erick Sermon co-signs Rewind It 10

10:00 - EPMD's albums, production & sampling

14:00 - Meeting Redman & missing out on signing Biggie, Nas & Wu-Tang

35:30 - Fat Joe wonders what would've happened if he'd moved to Atlanta

38:00 - Watching Nas & Jay-Z build billion-dollar empires

48:15 - Artists that bailed on features

53:30 - Eddie Murphy documentary

1:01:00 - Fat Joe's falling out with his lawyer & accountant

1:04:00 - Erick Sermon explains how Spotify & streaming platforms rob artists

1:10:00 - 'Dynamic Duos' & Pharrell's lawsuit

1:27:00 - Erick Sermon plays 3 tracks off 'Dynamic Duos'

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