In short
Fat Joe and Jadakiss talk with rising rapper Kocky Ka about what “success” looks like in hip hop, staying focused, building a trustworthy team, and turning personal loss into music. They also discuss Joe’s major weight-loss journey and health habits, plus food and training talk.
Guests (backgrounds)
- Kocky Ka: Brooklyn (East New York) rapper, 27, credits his father and mother for stability; says his song “Slow” reflects losing his dad suddenly and using the studio as therapy. He’s linked with Meek Mill through viral freestyles and says his style shifted from “ballsy” to melodic “ping” sounds.
- Fat Joe: veteran NYC rapper; discusses decades in the industry and his own weight-loss.
- Jadakiss: veteran NYC rapper; focuses on discipline, team loyalty, and real-world consequences.
Key claims
- Success can’t be “cheated” without studio pain and consistency.
- Your crew must share your vision or they can derail you.
- Studio sessions should be honest; don’t gas artists into releasing bad music.
- Joe’s weight loss came from consistent workouts and lifestyle changes (he mentions Zepbound/Zepic-style efforts).
Notable examples
- Kocky Ka describes his dad’s death and writing “Proud of Me/Slow” themes about grief and anxiety.
- He recalls Meek Mill tapping in after Kocky’s freestyles.
- Joe tells a story about eating at Golden Corral “on purpose” and about losing weight from near 500 pounds.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOKocky Ka's Journey and Collaboration with Meek Mill
0:33 to 0:59
Kocky Ka shares his background and how he connected with Meek Mill.
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Kocky Ka's Journey and Collaboration with Meek Mill
2:31 to 2:56
Kocky Ka shares his background and how he connected with Meek Mill.
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Kocky Ka's Journey and Collaboration with Meek Mill
3:59 to 4:53
Kocky Ka shares his background and how he connected with Meek Mill.
“You probably the youngest that made it to the couch.”
Personal Stories and Family Impact
4:53 to 6:55
Kocky Ka discusses the influence of his family and personal struggles.
“we was going viral freestyles, just throwing freestyles, throwing them out there.”
Navigating Fame and Keeping a Solid Team
6:55 to 8:07
Kocky Ka reflects on the challenges of fame and maintaining trustworthy relationships.
“It was good with my moms and my pops in my life.”
Musical Evolution and Authenticity
8:07 to 9:59
The conversation explores Kocky Ka's musical style and authenticity in his work.
“After that, we just put that shit in the pain, feel me?”
The Importance of Ownership and Hard Work
9:59 to 11:59
Discussion on the significance of ownership in the music industry and putting in effort.
“I mean, like, let's think bigger than New York.”
Influences and Legacy in Hip Hop
11:59 to 14:01
Kocky Ka shares his influences in hip hop and the legacy he aims to build.
“Yo, you're not even letting me finish my sentence.”
Reflections on Hip Hop Influences
14:01 to 16:47
The hosts discuss their early influences in hip hop and how it shaped their careers.
“You know, I always tell a story, man, because, you know, we was young, we was hot, right?”
The Studio Session Experience
16:48 to 18:19
Discussion of the dynamics and motivations during studio sessions.
“I ain't gonna fart but yeah it's super motivation But now, usually a regular studio session is just me and like probably like three of my guys, two of my guys.”
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Honesty in Music Feedback
18:20 to 19:22
The importance of honest feedback in music production is emphasized.
“And you like, yo, like, Joe, what do you think?”
Vision and Team Dynamics
19:23 to 21:58
Exploration of maintaining focus and vision while navigating team dynamics.
“When it's ever too much, just seek the kingdom.”
Navigating Challenges in the Industry
21:59 to 24:10
Challenges faced in the music industry and the importance of choosing the right team.
“And look, I'm old, and I'm still dusting dudes off.”
Unexpected Life Events
24:11 to 26:49
A discussion about surprising incidents and their implications in life and career.
“talking up the wall, because we love them.”
Lighthearted Conversations About Food
26:50 to 28:00
A humorous discussion about favorite foods and personal anecdotes.
“I'm going to the Knick game tomorrow, opening day, and I really got going to eat three glances.”
Fast Food Favorites and Personal Choices
28:00 to 29:00
The hosts discuss their favorite meals, particularly fast food experiences.
Healthy Eating and Cheat Days
29:00 to 30:40
Conversation shifts to health, cheat days, and traditional comfort foods.
“She never let him eat fast food in his life.”
Fried Chicken and Local Favorites
30:40 to 33:47
A lively discussion about fried chicken, local eateries, and personal anecdotes.
“Listen, we on our healthy shit, though, now.”
Fried Chicken and Local Favorites
33:51 to 34:56
A lively discussion about fried chicken, local eateries, and personal anecdotes.
“You can bet NBA games any night on the app.”
Fried Chicken and Local Favorites
36:19 to 38:15
A lively discussion about fried chicken, local eateries, and personal anecdotes.
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Childhood Memories and Food Experiences
39:32 to 42:00
Hosts reminisce about their childhood experiences with food and local legends.
“She got the wheat bread with the butter.”
Weight Loss Journey Insights
42:00 to 43:24
Learn about the challenges and strategies in losing weight from Joe.
“I'm not going to go against him because this guy's athletic.”
Mistakes in Fitness Training
43:24 to 45:26
Discover common mistakes people make when starting their fitness journey.
“You see this crazy shit as I've seen the video.”
Eating Habits and Dining Experiences
45:26 to 46:44
Hear funny anecdotes about dining experiences and eating habits.
“Motherfuckers up there looking like the kingpin and all that.”
Buffet Bingeing Tales
46:44 to 48:20
Listen to humorous stories about overeating at buffets and the consequences.
“It was like, yo, you can't come in here, hip hop.”
Creative Process in Music Videos
48:20 to 50:24
Gain insights into the creative process behind making music videos.
“If I go in the Golden Corral, you took an L.”
Future Collaborations and Music Projects
50:24 to 52:18
Explore upcoming collaborations and projects in the music industry.
“I'm telling y 'all right now, this kid is the future.”
Emotional Tribute Song
52:18 to 56:01
Experience an emotional performance reflecting on loss and resilience.
“he gonna take you to that next level fucking with Terrell This Ain't That That Ain't This is crack copy-kai and shit We got one?”
Emotional Reflections on Loss
56:01 to 58:11
Jada expresses deep feelings of loss, grief, and the impact of losing loved ones.
“Ever since that day, your life ain't been a saint.”
Emotional Reflections on Loss
59:03 to 1:01:21
Jada expresses deep feelings of loss, grief, and the impact of losing loved ones.
“You keep production lines moving and quality on track because there is no room for slowdowns.”
Transcript
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3:27Yeah, yeah, what up, y 'all? This is Joe Crack the Dawn. Your boy Jada, you know what it is. The Joe and Jada show. Every show legendary. Every show iconic. Sometimes you got to see the future. Definitely. That's what we do. We represent the New York City, you know what I mean? Represent that new sound. Represent that pain. Representing hardworking. If you got TikTok, if you got any type of platform, you see them every day. You hear them every minute. Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for Kaki. My guys, my guys, my guys, my guys. What's up, man? Welcome to the couch, bro. You probably the youngest that made it to the couch.
4:13You know what I mean? We a global show, bro. We definitely represent New York. For sure. We wanted to have you on. Love, man. Let the people know what you're doing. Let them know how you rockin'. I want to know how you... Meek just reached out to you. How y 'all linked up. Basically, for me, like, when we first started, man, we just, you know, we're a fan of Meek, for me. Meek, favorite, one of the favorite rappers, man. Y 'all, you know, pioneers of this New York shit, for sure, man. Like, I grew up watching y 'all, man, for sure. Meek, he just tapped in, for me. You know, we just put in work, and he just tapped in, man.
4:49Like, you got it. Keep going. He always show love. Like, yo, anytime we post on, we was going viral freestyles, just throwing freestyles, throwing them out there. Like, I came in rapping, like, really ballsy, feel me? And then we switched it over to, like, that really, like, melodic, giving them that ping, feel me? That ping is barred up. Oh, man, it's crazy for me. I don't know. It's barred up. This ain't no fucking off. By the way, this the Joe and Jada show. It ain't no fucking lollipop in this bitch. This kid is the future. and I'm never wrong and so the game always love a big boy they done for heavy deed to Biggie Smalls to Big Pond, to Ross, Fat Joe the game love a big boy and us big boys even though I lost a lot of weight we got like a silent language that we cheer each other on and we just show man love first I see you I see you walking with not Beyonce, but fiance.
5:52She got the bags. She's smiling like she love life. And cocky car with her like this. Like, you know that guy? Come on, man. That guy. Yo, cocky car. This guy living the life by here. We just living, man. Come on, we just living, man. Yo! Come on, we just living. We just living, man Come on, man We just doing things you like to do, man And then I said Who is this guy? Right? And then I started listening to your music And I was like Oh, shit, we got one Slow, doesn't mean a lot, man And so, how's it feel to be young? I've seen this song, is that a true story About your pops? Break that down to us you was born in Brooklyn, raised in Brooklyn.
6:50Tell us about what made you write that song and so many people could relate to that. For sure. I came from Brooklyn, East New York. To be exact. That's a fact. It was good with my moms and my pops in my life. I was super blessed for that. You know how important your pop shit is in your life. Super important for me. We go from seeing a person in like a day. So like, damn, I don't see him no more. For me, like I'm in the crib. I'm one of the youngest of my mom in the park's house. For me, children, like I'm the youngest boy. For me, I'm still in the crib. For me, like, damn, like I'm there for me.
7:29Like, it's like, damn, like you wake up in the morning. You know them deaths like it's just be like sudden. Like you don't know that shit coming in. They ain't sick. They ain't in no hospital. Yeah, you just wake up in the morning. Shit just happened. He gone for me. Like I'm the only one in the crib, man. Like I see my pops take a glad breath. I tried to, yeah, yeah, I tried to carry them out the bed, feel me? My grandmones, like, came upstairs, feel me? It was wild. I live in a building. I got the biggest family in the hood, feel me? Like, came upstairs, feel me? Like, leave out the room, come back, he gone.
8:00I never lost nobody like that close before, feel me? It's like, damn, I bet. So that shit kind of hit hard, feel me? Hit OD, feel me? So I'm like, I bet, like, it's gold mode now. After that, we just put that shit in the pain, feel me? Put that shit in the music, man. And, you know, we don't really talk to nobody. I said, man, for me, we don't really talk to nobody. For me, we don't got nobody to talk to. So the studio was kind of like therapy, you think? When I listen to your music, man, it's all, how old are you? 27, man. It's so hard for a person your age to really reach down in the moment.
8:36And not really, you know, I know you like to spoil yourself, watches and clothes. but your music is like you're in the moment. You're right in the moment, and you talking that shit, especially the youth, they all dying, they all killing each other. They need to hear that, and they need that type of inspiration. See somebody like you who made it from the trenches, or who's making it, what made you just come so real? This ain't about bars, gimmick, this. Your shit's straight. you talking like we talking but we the OG's they switched over though from just straight bars the melodic pain with the scars in for sure is that from your dad or that just that was kind of like yeah like I ain't gonna lie to you like we was having fun before all this before the deaths I mean we just having fun we just you know New York we fall on what's the wave I mean the drill was the wave the the rapping the really ballsy like That was the wave, you feel me?
9:41And then we like, yo, like, get them what we really going through, you feel me? Like, we could talk about the other shit later, but let's get them really, like, what we really feeling, what we going through. And, for me, like, we try to, like, fit in with the sexy drill. Shout out Cash and my brothers, and shout out to them, man. We try to fit in with that. And we like, yo, bro, like, let's just be us. I mean, like, let's think bigger than New York. I mean, let's think New York. New York home all the time. New York always going to be home, but let's get with silent. Worldwide, everybody can feel, you feel me?
10:08and we just went with that and that shit started working for me like and we just took off man so what does it feel like when I remember my Uncle Dan damn I don't want to tell Dan's business but Dan was away for a little bit right and yo Jada stop stop this is my man yeah but Uncle Dan was away right I remember he comes back and I tell him I said yo it's a little different Uncle Dan I went to pick him up I said you know It's not the same. I'm famous now. We going to walk out of this courthouse and they going to be wilding because Flojo's number one. Right? I'm trying to let them know. Like, yo, this ain't, you know, your nephew that you went away last year.
10:54It's showing up. We came out. He was like, yo, what the fuck? And everybody chasing. What's that like for one day? I know you popular in your own hood. But to step out and now everybody knows you. what's that like? That shit different. Like it's different, super different. Like, yeah, we didn't have a buzz, but we was like, kind of like lit and puck with your motion. We had motion, but this motion different. I don't know how y 'all do it. I mean, like, wild motion. Oh, it's wild. I mean, I'm in a, I'm buying a car. I see somebody put me on the IG. I'm looking rough. You feel me? I'm on a side, short, so on socks.
11:30For me, one of this, man, I'm like, damn, it got me. But it's just wild. For me, like, it's, It's a blessing though, for me. Like, still, it's wild, but it's like, damn, like, they know who niggas is now, for me. I remember niggas, far niggas, for me. They know who niggas is. They know what I'm doing, for me. So, all right, we touching somebody, for me. That's what I'm saying. And I'll do, because I always worry about, like, you know, I used to coach at the Rocker. Right. There's some guys that should have made, what's the matter? Yo, you're not even letting me finish my sentence. I coach at the Rocker.
12:05There was some players. I'll give you one. My man, Abe Butter. I always felt like he should have been in the NBA. Abe Butter. But he had friends that misguided him. It was selling him the wrong thing. It was like, yo, you live in Harlem. You don't got to really be in college and all that. With you being young, just getting into the bag, how hard is it to keep solid people around you? Do you have a solid team around you that you think you could trust? For sure. For sure. Like, I definitely do. I feel like I definitely got a super solid team. Anybody around me, we got 20-plus years. I mean, I don't—you can't name nobody I know.
12:43Like, you got less than, for me, like, five years or 10, 15, 20-plus. I mean, like, and plus the person I'm with now, my guy, Old Gates, man, he's super, super solid, man, like, super solid. Like, he was kind of like big brother, like, big brother. Yo, I bet you're not going to do this. I did shoot on A-9, but you got to learn, but fuck it, let's do this. So I'm like, all right, get a chance to learn and actually it was major key for me, super major key, but definitely think I got a super core around, man, for sure. I like how humble you are. I appreciate it. You make hints, but you remain humble.
13:20Every time I speak to you, you got the same good in you. This is the first time I speak to him, I seen him, I said the big boy, I got to bring him into that. That's my man right there. He don't know. We got that underground. You know what I'm saying? I see him on a sedan, man. You know what I'm saying? He wanted us. Sign of quality control? Yeah, sure. Yeah, sure. Who's in your own? Yeah, DTE, man. No doubt. I'm poor. Just ownership, dude. Super. Super, super. I think it's definitely important for me. You put in all this work for me. It's like, I got to have sign for me. Sign for all the work we put in for me.
13:57At least, you know me? from overnights in the studio with me. We working, man. Something got to come out of that. Man, it's 30 years of doing this shit. Come on. You get three? I don't think this shit. You get three? Dizzy, B. Come on, man. You know, I always tell a story, man, because, you know, we was young, we was hot, right? Right. And so I got to think of, because you remind me a lot, your personality and your charisma, big punt. And I see you a lot, your videos. You got the 20 girls behind you. That's a big pun. Whoa, man. Right, man. We took a big boy, made him a sex symbol, right? Perfect.
14:33I see what you're doing out here. Glory. And I say to myself, I say, yo, man, I got to reach out. Let him know, you know, we appreciate what he's doing and just your approach. And so who's some of the guys you looked up to coming up in the game? First of all, that mean a lot for me. that's a fact I can't even honestly I don't look to y 'all too for sure coming to New York man like I wouldn't I looked up to Meek for sure Meek Millie for sure shout out bro I can't lie Big coming from Brooklyn like you said man Pun those are the guys we really heard growing up on the radio even now you still hit them on the radio to this day that shit just made that feel good music, feel me?
15:26You know, when you hear those type of songs, the summer coming, it's about to get lit. It's funny, you know what I mean? Like, for sure, you know what I mean? Like, it got crazy, man, for sure. So, it was definitely, it had an impact in my life, for sure. Yeah, my thing was, it was summers that we had the number one songs, but we would stay, like, everybody come honk the horn and they in the truss. Yo, it's there. We over here, and be like, nah. Studio. you got a right, you got a state focus, you got a this, and I'll be like yo, fine, and they coming through, and we just it's a lot of sacrifice right, right, right, right to be supreme, to be supremacy in this game, it's a lot of sacrificing and some people think, maybe they got lucky and they shortcut it, but some people feel like they ain't gotta go in there and put in that pain in that studio and all that I don't think you could cheat the success you know what's it like for you?
16:27what's your process of like alright I'm about to write the song about this or you just hear the beat and then tell me what to say what's your studio sessions like? sessions is like a party or? you know what's crazy? it's not even partying I feel like the party definitely motivates niggas though come on you ain't gonna lie if the females in there for me they gonna make niggas do runs that I never did before we just gonna get crazy in there I ain't gonna fart but yeah it's super motivation But now, usually a regular studio session is just me and like probably like three of my guys, two of my guys.
16:58It's not never too deep for me, like for me, like for me, like for me. Yeah, it's never too many people in here. I mean, yeah, I'm for y 'all. I watch this shit, you heard? But yeah, it's never too.
17:15Yo, I'm crying now, but yeah, man, like fly. Yeah, that's a fly. You a couple of your guys, an engineer. Yeah, yeah. It's super like, yeah, just me, man. Both quiet, dark, I'm in my feelings. I mean, that's probably why I'm the most vulnerable for me, myself in there, for me. So I'm like, yo, all right, but like, depending on the track, I'm like, yo, I need to be in here totally. And then if that feel good track, oh, yeah, all right. Everybody in, let me know how y 'all feel. I don't really like no y 'all smell around me. Like, let me know if you ain't fuck with this track or not, for me. For sure, super, super important.
17:49and you could think they ain't no yes man, but six times, like I remember they would invite me, right? So it would be an artist that we love and know. And they'd be like, yo, Joe, come in the studio, listen to my new album. See? And they like, no, no way. And their last album was a classic, but then they played the new album and I'm in the studio and the shit's straight garbage. And everybody in the studio, Yo, they mans are banging into the wall like it's dope and all that stuff. And you like, yo, like, Joe, what do you think? I'm like, I'm like real honest when it comes to the music. I'll try my best way to let you down in the nicest way.
18:33But if it ain't it to me, I'm not going to sit here and do that. And I watched too many sessions where they gassing dudes up, jumping. Like, I couldn't believe this shit. It happened to me a bunch of times in my life. That ever happened to you? each his own bottle patrol. Shut up, man. This motherfucker. You know what I'm saying? Each his own bottle. I mean, you got the power to put out music whenever you want. Yeah, for sure, for sure. I let him listen to it. Mainly, like, anything I send to my girl on the team, like, they fuck with it, you know what I mean? She's like, all right, bet. See a little more.
19:14He's like, yo, let's do it. Matter of fact, you just did that? Let's put it out tomorrow, next week. Tell me on the highest band of those. Yeah, man. What's up with the girls, man? They loving you because I heard you in there. They're like, listen, man. Nah, you don't want to. It's not getting into the devil shit. You don't want to talk this shit. You trying to get into the truth. I'm going to shut it. Nah, nah, nah. Is fiance your girl? Nah. It's fiance. Yo, shut up, Zona. For sure. She ain't beyond. Shut up, Zona. I ain't doing you. Nah, we just. Yo, listen, man. We just having fun, man. That's for me.
19:48Whoa, they doing that for me? Like, we just having fun, man. We working. We focus. Focus, baby. You focus. Seek the kingdom. When it's ever too much, just seek the kingdom. Seek the kingdom. No mistakes, man. Seek the kingdom. Yo, man. Seek the kingdom, man. We got to be careful out here. We got to seek the kingdom. That's true. Shit hard. It's hard, man. Yeah. This shit is high school, you heard? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, shit.
20:24You got to sink the cake, though. I'm crying, man. You know what's a bar that always resonates when it comes to that to me is Wild Wild Thoughts. Khaled's song, Wild Wild Thoughts. And Bryce Tiller goes, I probably shouldn't be around you. Like, that shit hits me, like, With a hard pull. But you know you ain't supposed to be around. That's a fact, dude. No, this is a problem. That's when you're having wild thoughts. Wild, wild, wild thoughts. Wild, wild, wild. Motherfucker. Spacing to be around you. That's a fact. Yeah. Wild thoughts. Wild thoughts, man. What's your plans for the next five years?
21:10Where you want yourself to be? Where you want your label to be? Where you want to be doing? Basically, man, we want to be one of the, like, known for one of the hardest working cars in the game, man. For me, like, y 'all still around. For me, I want to be like this. For me, like, still want to be, you know, coming from New York, it's hard. Like, we ain't really have nobody, like, really, like, stick around in the midst. It's really, like, a boogie in the way. Like, for me, like, I want to be one of them cars like, yo, think of New York. You think about, all right, Kyle, you know, he with those goods.
21:40To me, like, yeah, being more consistent. Yeah, I want to be able to help somebody else the same way somebody helped me, you feel me? Like, speaking them through that verse to me, like, I'm going to pay with y 'all, feel me? Like, you do it. Yeah, yeah. You do it. Super emotions. Hell, I mean. Come on, man. I see your future very, very bright. You keep the right people and the right team around you. And look, I'm old, and I'm still dusting dudes off. Come on. I still got one or two left. That's right. That's right. You know, I came up with a wild bunch of guys, man. And sometimes, this is the advice I'm giving you and everybody else who's watching.
22:23Sometimes your vision of you, your team might not, you know, your boys might not see the same thing for you. And you might have a boy that's crazy, right? Right. He want to shoot up Madison Square Garden while you performing. I'm not thinking about that. He don't give a fuck. His father been to jail his whole life. His brothers. He's trying to prove some shit that you like. Yo, I'm trying to get to the Grammys. I'm trying to get on another level. And sometimes because they don't have the same goals as you. Or the same vision as you. They could fuck the whole shit up. Trust me. It happened to me.
23:04That shit. I'm going to just have it. Maybe a couple of days ago. That's wild. So you got to stay away from that. yeah that shit will just happen that's why oh you can't have that you know what I'm saying you gotta really figure it out and you gotta tell them listen my brothers I love you please y 'all wanna see me do good because I might you know I'm gonna spin back make sure everybody's straight but let me go they almost gotta look at you like the kid that might be going to the league because what happens is some of these guys they don't give a fuck and guess what it could be the skinniest guy in the world it could be your man 80 pounds flat shoot up the claw they gonna say cocky cock the skinniest nigga like this and they gonna be on the news rapper cocky cock and you like yo what the fuck they always seem to find the famous one in the crew it's just historically works like that.
24:10So, you know, you got to start talking up the wall, because we love them. Because, you know, with me, I say I paid for maybe a hundred funerals in my life channel for the whole hood. And then I be thinking about... I pay for close to that. Damn. True story, huh? You told me some foul shit the other day. Yo, Jada, man, I went home, I watched the shit. You said the man went outside to smoke a cigarette and the dude jumped off the roof and landed on them. That happened in Y.A. That's sick. That really happened. Wow. Crazy. When outside Newport, somebody landed on both of them dead. I don't know what kind of karma.
24:53I don't know what somebody did to somebody, but what's the chances of going outside having a smoke in a human? In a human? That's crazy. Crazy. Wow. I did it. That's crazy. I went home, I watched the episode, I see, yo, this shit. I said, is it real? Well, Jadis said, because this shit, I heard it every day. I never heard of that one. That's different. Wild, baby. Home of the brave. The crazy shit is when I see a young, talented brother like you, that's what I worry about. About your team going true. You know what happened to me was, I can't lie to you, One day we running, you know what I'm saying?
25:37So we come from the street. We tough guys in the street. Then I get in the game. Everybody who come home from jail for 10, 15 years, 20 years, they coming home first day, reporting for duty, sir. Reporting for duty, sir. They were gone. Jingo, who did 20 in the box, reporting for duty, sir. Right? And then one day I got a show in Madison Square Garden. I never forget. And I sit in the green room. I sit in the back. And, you know, I'm top of the game. And I sit on a ledge. And I look at everybody with me. Now, a lot of these, half of them, you know, really grew up with me since we was kids and teenagers.
26:19Even though they're dangerous, I grew up with them since then. But I look at that room. and I said, Joe, if somebody throw a glizzy at you in this Madison Square Garden...
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26:37You couldn't use anything. You couldn't use anything. You couldn't use anything. You couldn't use anything. You couldn't know this shit, Kyle. Yo, Kyle. Yo, Kyle. It's not going to be better than Sam. Yeah, that was fucked. A fruit. A fruit. I'm going to the Knick game tomorrow, opening day, and I really got going to eat three glances. Yeah. My head's eating wild over here. All that, I'm eating glances. In the back? In the face and shit. While you getting caviar and all that shit. Tell the guy, yo, go get me three. You sent him in the back? Super facts. How about I don't tell him no more? He just told him the glizzies.
27:28Three glizzies with the mustard on the side. Am I lying? I know this layer is out. About glizzies than him in my life. Bro, that's crazy, you know? How much of the Yankee shit that I did to play? All niggas was eating lobster steaks. You think the Dolan? Yankee Stadium gossip. That shit is legit. three glizzies with the mustard on the side what the fuck you want me to do you know what's that double glizzy that's crazy that's crazy you got more flags you know get a double double glizzy that you know what's your go to meal your go to meal not glizzies nah not glizzies not glizzies glizzies wild alright what's it glizzies wild no no I'm just saying yo yo come on I'm thinking shall we eat steak glizzies steak too easy too easy you a glissy nice stay on that alright what's your alright what's your go to meal what's your go to meal I ain't gonna lie I'm a big nigga for me but come on sweet mac you better have a mac some mac to cheese come on you know what I mean big mac or mac to cheese big mac come on big mac damn the big mac oh no no big big oh no big mac think I never eat no fucking big mac come on he's eating he's saying big mac I thought he's saying big mac nah nah I'm the big mac nah nah Big Mac.
28:50I saw a video.
28:54I saw a video. We ran out. Listen, I saw a video of this kid. Y 'all might have all saw it with me. The kid graduates high school. He's in the car with his moms. She never let him eat fast food in his life. Ever. never had the man went to McDonald's he bought a Big Mac he took a bite of that shit on camera y 'all can google that shit he was like this is a crime you guys are eating this took another bite he was like holy wow you guys are eating this you know what it is you throw it on it you throw me off He thought God was talking to him. He loved that shit. The moms never let him eat fast food.
29:51He ate the Big Mac on camera. Oh, he was. Yo, I never seen his face. His face was like, he was like, yo, this is, you guys can eat this. This is great. Yo, you know how good is a fucking Big Mac? Big Mac. I think you in the wrong business. so so Mac you gotta have a Mac if you do the Mac you gotta do games
30:25if you do the Mac if you do the Mac if you do the Mac you gotta do the candy games is you swanning is you swanning or you don't swan yo listen let him finish let him finish I don't feel like I just got back. No, listen. That's the fact. Listen, we on our healthy shit, though, now. But yeah, on a cheat day. Cheat day. If I got to cheat, we going to do the Mac. That ain't no flash. He didn't even fit. Now let's hear where he put it. He's on his healthy shit right now. But on a cheat day. On a cheat day. Let his hand cheat. Let me hear where you're going to put it. You got to do the yams. You got to get your little family.
31:13You got to do the collard greens. It's got to be something wild. Tell me, yeah. Come on. Now you can finish with some chicken and some shit. Farting. Yeah, that got to be farting. I was going to say bake. How about cornbread? You like cornbread. I like cornbread. I love cornbread. Oh, I like the edges of my eyes that make you a cornbread that'll blow your family now. I need the fucking It tastes like human My wife just told me Yo babe it's the start of the season What do you want? I swear to God I want some fried gizzards You just said gizzards I'd rather you eat gizzards than glizzards That's a fucking gizzards That's a fucking gizzards You can get him some gizzards Yo fried chicken gizzards You gotta stop Yo you know about the chicken You can't fucking eat meat.
32:07Gizzy chop. Come on, man. Every goal of the world. Don't do that chicken gizzy. Chicken? Chicken gizzy? I don't care how you prepared. With the hot sauce. Yo, you got to get it from the Chinese, though. I never had that shit cooked, like, in the crib. They do it right. They do it right. You got to do them like Von Zip and take them to get some gizzy. Turkey chop. Don't get turkey chop. You got turkey chop with you. You and anything got to be a bitch. So listen to that, somebody. Yo, I'm not a gizzard nigga, though. I don't like gizzard. I have it, though. See? Like, come on. Come on, man. We're going to take you Johnson's fried chicken.
32:48You ever had the damn mustard sauce? Don't even do that. Come on. That's the mustard sauce. Don't stand me with a good time. Niggas is rallying, man. Playing with me. It's moving to Shusman's husband. Every fuck. They wanted. Yeah, in the Bronx. OK. They want to, everybody is cussing. He's not listening. Groovy Lou, the style, you know, Groovy? Of course I know Groovy. His sister's husband heard you talking about the sauce. They want to do with turkey chop. They want to come. Now, I grew up Johnson's fried chicken. They want to lay it out for you. With the muscles. All of that shit. You take this mother in.
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39:36Let me tell you something. I used to go to this lady. All the hustlers would go. I don't think it was legal, right? On 165. The lady you're talking about. Miss Elise. You got a knock on the door. I don't think she had a license. But she was... She got the wheat bread with the butter. Just the wheat bread with the butter. The yellow patch. Yo, you know the yellow and brown shit. She got some steak, Miss Elise. Let me tell you something. Listen to me. You can't curse. It's a steak. Yo, I'm sorry. All right. I needed this I needed this hello Jada know too many Bronx dudes they gonna come up to him and be like Jada Joe is not lying about Miss Elise Miss Elise I haven't seen I don't know I hope she ain't pass away but you can't curse so every time you curse it costs you a dollar Fat Joe had like $20 every time besides the food it's just she just add him up for me she be like you know that's$20 joke.
40:52She had the biggest hustle in the world for me and I'm going in there derelict. Young, punk, sturdy, talking that shit. Fuck that, this, fuck this, that. Fuck you, bitch. This, this, fuck. 20 more dollars. She would find me all the time, but she was such a beautiful person, but, and so you said the health shit, like what you trying to do as far as your health? You young, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, any concerns? Yo, hell yeah. Yo, you know what's crazy? I'm a big, I'm athletic though. You want to race? Yo, Jada, come on, man. You got to stop. Yo, Jada, look. This shit going viral, you all right?
41:30You might smoke me, but you ain't smoke me. I'm not going to be that far. We going to sell it. I'm not going to be that. I play ball? I play ball too. I'm leaving at least three cars. Yo, what's that? You got three cars in the race? Somebody said that like they surprised. Three car minimum, crap. Yo, listen, Jada. Jada, Jada. You work out it. Hold on. I'm having them three car heads. Oh, hold on. I like that. Hold on. I like that. Yo, this shit going back. Yo, Kai. Yo, Kai. You ain't going back. Get on games. Yo. Get on games. Get on games. Yo, let me tell you something. Yo, Kai. Let me tell you something.
42:06Yo. I'm going to tell you something. Right, right. I'm not going to go against him because this guy's athletic. He works out every day. Definitely. But any other guy his age, my money on you. Right, right. Because all them races I see unks have with their nephews, they take two steps and bust their ass. Like your man did. What's your man did? Speed did to the cock. Well, to the fit. They trying to tell me. We understand. Trying to get me off the cock diesel. I was going down. I was going down. I was going down. That steak. It throws his pillow. He's all.
42:46He got the car short And like he said I thought about it I was holding it down for a little while But listen, whenever you ready Whenever you ready You know, you get with somebody You see the thing about Because you know I lost like three people Right? No, no, I'll put in that thing It's the fucking truth I'm five and a half I was 480, bro. That's three human beings. Yeah, Big Pum was 680 or some shit. Like, we was the biggest guys in the universe. Like, so I know about it. But I lost it in phases. Hold on, hold on. I was 480, almost 500 pounds. There's no question. You see this crazy shit as I've seen the video.
43:33I'm just talking. It didn't market it on 500. I been trying to get this old Zempic deal. Yo, I been trying to get this old Zempic money for real out here. And let me tell you something. The biggest mistake they do to you if you go to work out is if your man work out, says, oh, God, you big. And they throw the biggest weights on you. You never going back. You don't need that cardio walking. Then the elliptical's good on your knees. Before you know it, all you need is a week. Right? If you go every day a week. A week for what? Can I explain the story? It'll be 21 days. That's what it is? Yeah, then you would be, then it'd be just in.
44:17It's a pause. It'll be 21 days. For me. That's good. That's good. My son. I don't know. That was bad. Yo. After 21 days, then it becomes a lifestyle regimen. Right, right, right. I mean, yeah. No point at me, James. I know what I'm talking about over there, Nick. I know. Yeah, but I think when my euro step is just a week, if I'm in for a week, no, no, but you got to let me talk. If I'm in for a week, I'm coming to eighth day. Are you going to see me in the gym like, yo, he going in? I need a week. Once I'm in a week where I force myself to get up, I really don't want to go. TV looking nice. Sherry show is on.
44:57The fucking view. It's so fucking hard to get up and just go like that. You got to be like a horse and just throw that fucking shit on and just go. So you start 10 minutes, 20 minutes before you know it. shit ain't much you know what I'm saying and then you got it you know but you know anybody the biggest mistake they used to do for me because I was always just big like fat big but big and everybody thought I could be cock diesel they was like I've never had a muscle in my life by the way you ain't never growing a muscle in your life you're not growing a muscle I believe he gonna lose weight I believe he gonna do what he gotta do a muscle it's not gonna happen a muscle no way man I went to jail everything he's telling you the more hints and the more success the harder it is to work out oh I see it I be seeing it I'm like I gotta eat later this guy this guy is crazy he's all in he's gotta be strong nah that's a fact I got this same way you you can do it man look up the pictures of me and Pond at the Grammy Grammys, they got a picture of me pointing at the Grammys.
46:13We making you look skinny. Know what I'm saying? Motherfuckers up there looking like the kingpin and all that. We used to go while I went. Fat Joe, the original Fat Joe. Okay, I'm in my hand. You and two other people. Yes. I'm with my brother Money Man recipes and we in Miami Beach. And this plane keep going by. Oh, you can eat seafood. Oh, you can eat seafood. Oh, you can eat seafood, right? You know how them planes go with the little shit? We pull up. We pull up. Pull up. We pull up. Listen, they try to discourage us. It was like, yo, you can't come in here, hip hop. We went to the 163rd Mall in Miami.
47:00Got dress shirts. Came back. When I tell you, we was in there about five, six, I want a shrimp coming out. We like all the crab legs. We fucking this shit up so much. They said the police is here. It's a nigga with the boots like, you know, the Gomer Powell shit with the flip hat. He come up in there and, you know, you know, Tupac said only in Cali will we riot. I rallied New York. We talk a lot of shit. So he up in there. Yo, man, what's up? Scriblin. He was black, too. so we can't even call them racists. Right? Yo, this shit is crazy, this and this and that. He pulled me to the side. He said, man, you motherfuckers ate everything in here for like six, seven hours straight.
47:50Nah, nah. Not that other people ate a little shrimp or some crab. I turned around. I looked. I said, you know, he right. We ate all the shit. They losing me. A Golden Corral or anything like that? They took an L. because they... Even those epic, Joe, you fucked up. If I'm paying$9.99, you fucked up. I'm at least$2.300 in. You took the L on me. To this day. What my man? My man, the boxer? To this day. To this day. If I go in the Golden Corral, you took an L. If it's$19.99 plus drink, your ass is under the water. Like, y 'all, water under the bridge. Don't be like this, Kyle. Yo, water under the bridge.
48:48I'm telling you the truth. I go in there, I fuck the place up. And on purpose, I might take a bite of the fucking chicken and just a bite, I want to eat it. Might go all the way and just go get a newer one. You know, I exercise my right to the fucking free food. Exercise, man. OK, I exercise my... Man, I know my fucking rights up in this bitch. Y 'all gonna give me some peach cobbler in this bitch. I'm fucking the place up in a Diet Coke, Diet Pepsi. Man, I'm out. A Diet Coke, man. Diet Coke, Diet Pepsi. What are the projects you got coming? Oh, man. We just dropped a project with Honcho, man, called Dependent.
49:29Talked a lady to me, like, try to be consistent with it, man. You like shooting videos? Oh, yeah, I'm super. Videos is fire to me. I hate you. What? Yeah. They fake them. You do? Yeah. Because you did 10 ,000 fucking videos. I mean. It's fire. They guys sitting here, they doing the big pun. They putting a wall of women. Remember, buddy? More than that. They putting a wall of women. His son looks like fun. I'm looking at you. I said, this motherfucker got a wall of women. This is doing a yacht. I ain't never been on a little yacht before. You done a little yacht. Really? Like a real yacht. Real yacht.
50:04Nah, the fucking, like, not the ferry from Manistat. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Nah, you told me he was on a yacht yacht. Yeah, it was fun for me. I bet. Each video getting more fun and fun for me. I got a lot of those under the belt. You don't like that? I don't like photo shoots. I feel like it's the same face. No, for real. I feel like it's the same face. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Like, the fucking face ain't change. you know it's like nowadays I think that I mean if I started now like you I think I'd just be AI I'd be like yo AI that shit man just like this shit which player threw up some shit we look too good I had to call him yesterday like yo that's AI I'm like yo this shit foul they doing shit they making you look your best on AI the background everything's covered the name of the project where we can find it.
51:03I'm telling y 'all right now, this kid is the future. I don't know how about yesterday's price is not today's price. Shout out to Relish. I think he let me, I thought I'd get my smartphone. Come on, man. You know what? Let's do it. Listen. Come on, man. What we doing? That's right. He's a fucking kid. You know what he said, man? Let me tell you. Yo, cocky. God, you got that shit, though. I need one, too. His son, I think you and his son can mix. That's my dog. Why not submit? That's what put me on. Remember, you got to do it, though. That's my dog. I don't even talk about that shit, dog. He said you his dog.
51:43Y 'all got to do it. Yeah, for sure. Know what I'm saying? For sure. And just hit one out the park. Brother, I believe in you. You're the youngest guy we ever put on this couch. Shout out to Terrell. Shout out to my dog. Terrell, my stylist, my brother. I know he dressed you for a video he gonna get you all the way by he know what he doing just make sure they got the bag for him so he can do stuff you can do because you know I was 5X he know how to do it you already got everything he gonna take you to that next level fucking with Terrell This Ain't That That Ain't This is crack copy-kai and shit
52:32We got one? Let's go. We got one. I need one. I need one. We got one. Crank that shit. Not a shit. No, no.
52:58I'm a divin' breed, me and the other niggas ain't the same. We're on rap beef, cause my niggas turn niggas into strings. She crazy, cause I see niggas changein' for some change. She heard my soul. That's why I'm movin' like I'm supposed to. Later, I don't really move, I most move. And I ain't gon' hold you. They come from ones that you be close to. I know niggas hopin' shit don't fall through. They watchin', I know most do. I was in the field like a pitcher. Tryin' to do it major. Wishin' for the savior. What made us? Ain't break us, wishin' saved us. I ain't had anyone to go to for a fuckin' favor, nah Niggas claim it's so official Do you know the feeling when your own niggas are turnin' against you?
53:35Gotta watch them niggas that never chose sides but play the middle Those are niggas with the issues I keep a chocolate like juice, just nah, nah Niggas watchin' all they feel weird And these niggas wish to me they got a bag Sayin' nigga I love for people, I know they said Nothin' like them niggas, we ain't built this hair Nah, nah
54:01I know a nigga get busy If a nigga feel away by me, tell him to get with me Never thought I'd see that they niggas would turn against me And I be with them hitters, fake sinners, so please don't tempt me Ever since I lost my little brother, they let me empty And niggas fried Fuck what's wrong with them, they couldn't stop me if they tried Niggas probably be winning if they just swallow they part Can't even look me in the eyes I know it's killing them inside Yeah, man Bobby, man You gonna put it on my way, man Yeah, on my way My God
54:39Yo, I know y 'all trying to play the new shit But can we play the joint about his dad? That one joint What's the name of that joint right there? Oh, that's that Proud of Me joint Proud of Me Can we play Proud of Me one time? Yeah, this right here gonna change You want to see anybody who sat on this shit. Allen Iverson just sat right where you sat. It's a more common. It's just legendary. So I just want to give you that look. They watching you in every barbershop in America. They watching you all over right now. So I want to make sure to let them know what you about so that you can get this fan base.
55:19You ready, brother? Let's go.
55:38Has released his great heart Even though he's new to ones that mean the most for me I continue to thank God How did the summer was to stay here but I hear more when you lose them to the graveyard Finally, daddy, I hope you're really proud of me I hate it just the way it gotta be Clearly I've been suffering from anxiety I heard how I feel Even though it's been a couple years I still cry still In battle testing I know that my time isn't there So it was destined Said I don't feel real It's far from me to accept it Time I question God like how you just took my best friend Daddy, your love is lost on your directions.
56:24God, I need them back. I run my lessons. Sometimes I see my color in there. Daddy, my dick jealous.
56:33Ever since that day, your life ain't been a saint. It's feeling like you ain't survived because of me. I take the blame because I could have did more. I could have did more. You know when you're on the phone, you know I should call. Do you know the feeling when you get to the car? Patiently just waiting for you to walk through that door Why? I'm making people feel good when I don't feel good All along toss me head, I wish me still could Mmm,
57:04the trickles ain't right Hospitals feeling I can't describe Daddy, look at your boy, I'm touching lies I'm just trying to live, but I guess we live and die And now I'm dead inside
57:21Mmm, this ain't right If you still got your parents hold them tight I know you proud of me Lookin' all the shit I prevail The youngest in your seats Make sure the family eat well I give them what they need How about we always be well I told buddy change the ways I pray he don't see jail To live another day I pray I don't see him And I'm telling what I do for my family Just know I mean well No, you ain't that's to me No, you ain't that's to me But I'm hoping you can see I'm praying you can see
58:02Yo, cocky car That ain't This ain't that That ain't this It's cracking kiss, god damn it Cracking kiss, cocky car Thanks for coming East New York
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Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by young Brooklyn rapper-on-the-rise Kocky Ka. Kocky tells Joe and Jada about Meek Mill hopping on his "Dark Nights" remix, his perspective on hip hop as a younger artist, and emulating New York hip hop legends Big Pun and Big L after growing up listening to them on the radio. Joe and Jada give some of their best advice about what it takes to succeed in the rap game, from keeping your entourage under control to keeping yourself healthy. They also break down DJ Khaled's hit "Wild Thoughts" featuring Bryson Tiller and Rihanna, Jada challenges Kocky to a race, and Joe tells a hilarious story about getting the police called on him at an all-you-can-eat seafood buffet.
3:30 - Linking up with Meek Mill
12:30 - Importance of ownership & who he looked up to
16:45 - How Fat Joe reacts in the studio to BAD music
24:30 - Flags come out & Fat Joe talks glizzies
39:30 - Jada challenges Kocky to race
41:00 - Joe's crazy weight loss
44:30 - Joe's HILARIOUS story about all-you-can-eat seafood
51:00 - Kocky plays "Off My Chest" & "Proud of Me"
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