Fat Joe & Jadakiss on Drake's UK rap take, "Lean Back" history, Taylor-Serrano III & TOP hip hop DJs

17 Jul 2025 · 40 min · 19 chapters

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In short

Joe and Jadakiss discuss recent boxing events (Katie Taylor vs Amanda Serrano trilogy; Edgar “Balanga” loss), crowd behavior and social-media backlash, plus hip-hop debates about whether the UK or US is “falling off.” They also talk Lean Back’s history and their own longevity, favorite producers/DJs, and take listener questions about dream collaborations and impactful features. They reference Drake co-signing UK lyricists, Skepta’s “US fell off” comments, and Joyner Lucas responding.

Guests

Fat Joe (Brooklyn/Lower East Side rapper; “Lean Back” creator; long-running artist) and Jadakiss (Yonkers/NY rapper; frequent feature artist; known for consistently strong verses).

Key claims

Serrano’s third fight felt like “air punching,” crowd turned on Balanga after he was dropped, and digital platforms make fan opinions and “twisted” narratives spread faster. Longevity comes from embracing new trends without compromising values; self-belief after being counted out.

Notable examples

Lean Back (dance moment), Versus-era hype tactics, Skepta vs US rappers, Nas “Live at the Barbecue,” AZ on Nas “Zilmati,” and producer picks like The Alchemist, Buckwild, and Primo.

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Chapters

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Introduction of Hosts and Weekend Recap

1:52 to 2:20

Joe and Jada introduce themselves and share their weekend experiences.

“Some people use ChatGPT to answer questions.”

Introduction of Hosts and Weekend Recap

2:23 to 2:58

Joe and Jada introduce themselves and share their weekend experiences.

“Even if I'm making jokes about you, if I'm saying S &S with the mustard shirt, he getting bookings.”

Analysis of Taylor-Serrano III

2:58 to 4:27

Discussion on the Taylor-Serrano fight and its implications.

“We've been home before you even go into it.”

Emotions of the Fight and Fan Reactions

4:27 to 6:16

Joe shares his feelings about the fight and fans' reactions.

“By the way, Kevin Hart said the podcast is phenom.”

Reflections on Support and Criticism in Sports

6:16 to 10:54

Discussion on the challenges athletes face and the fickleness of fans.

“I see a million Puerto Rican flags, people singing Lean Back.”

UK Rap Debate and Skepta's Comments

10:54 to 13:00

Joe and Jada debate UK rap's impact and Skepta's remarks about US rappers.

“If I was him, I'd go buy me 10 wing stops right now.”

Personal Journey and Overcoming Adversity

13:00 to 14:00

Joe reflects on personal success and the importance of resilience.

“You think the United States fell off rap completely?”

Overcoming Adversity

14:00 to 15:00

Discussion on personal backgrounds and overcoming challenges to achieve success.

“They sent me to the wolves and I came back with a fur.”

Bad Bunny's Impact

15:00 to 16:15

Exploration of Bad Bunny's influence and success in Puerto Rico.

“and you're doing something useful, to bring change to your family finances is always a good thing.”

Funny Fight Stories

16:15 to 18:28

Humorous anecdotes about a recent fight and interactions with friends and family.

“to do for PR Puerto Rico Puerto Rico it's crazy because I go to the fight back to the malanga right and you know I was like this.”
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Favorite DJs Discussion

18:28 to 21:21

Joe and Jada discuss their top DJ choices and the influence of DJs in hip-hop.

“When I tell you SNF, well, who's your favorite DJs of all time?”

Sprite Living Tracklist

21:21 to 22:46

Introduction of Sprite's initiative to engage fans in discussing hip-hop moments.

“Who came up with the concept to have the juice bars?”

Listener Questions and Collaborations

24:25 to 28:00

Joe and Jada respond to listener questions about collaborations and favorite beats.

“You know, we got some shit we doing today.”

Exploring Iconic Beats and Collaborations

28:00 to 29:40

Learn about the favorite beats and collaborations of Fat Joe and Jadakiss.

“I thought he was going to keep going like you usually do.”

Secrets to Longevity in Hip-Hop

29:40 to 33:00

Discover the secrets behind maintaining a lasting career in hip-hop.

“Hey, hey, Joe and Jada, legends, legends.”

Jadakiss and Dipset vs. The Lox: A Recap

33:00 to 36:05

Hear insights on the epic Versus battle between Dipset and The Lox.

“yo kiss yo Joe what's going on Dre from Mass Joe I had a quick question what was it like to see Jada on stage with Dipset vs.”

Influential Features and Impactful Collaborations

36:05 to 38:07

Discuss the most impactful features in their careers and desired collaborations.

“Joe and Jada, you guys are legends in hip-hop.”

Reflections on Hip-Hop's Evolution

38:07 to 42:00

Reflect on the changes in hip-hop and the influence of newer artists.

“not putting him on my record because he body my shit.”

The Changing Landscape of Hip Hop

42:00 to 45:01

The hosts discuss the shift in hip hop culture, particularly among younger artists who prefer streaming over traditional rapping.

“You know, it's just that energy that comes on whenever I work out in the gym, I work out.”
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0:00Everyone loves a good goat debate. In sports, it's players and teams. In hip-hop, it's songs and verses. Nobody ever agrees that's what makes the conversation so much fun. Now Sprite is bringing the debate back to life with the Sprite Living Tracklist. Sprite turned legendary hip-hop into limited edition collectible cans. The challenge is finding all 26 cans. Pick up a 12-pack and you never know which iconic lyric you'll get next. It's like building the ultimate roster, one legendary bar at a time. Your mission is to build your own physical playlist. Go out and hunt down all 26 limited edition cans of Sprite and Sprite Zero sugar.

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2:53Yeah, yeah, what up, y 'all? This is Joe Crack. You know who it is, your boy Jada. You know what this is, the Joe and Jada show. Just like that. Ha-ha! Scott, we back. I had a rough weekend. Yeah, tell me about it. We've been home before you even go into it. We was doing a lot of promoting for Katie Taylor and Amanda Serrano. We was doing a lot of promoting for Edgar Balanga. and my other guy from over the water. Now, there be no fourth and fifth, Serrano and Taylor. There won't be another. The trilogy's over, my brother. Yeah, it is. It's sad because I can't make sense of it because the first and second, they went toe to toe.

3:41Three minutes of round for 12 rounds. They kept going blow for blow fights in a year. And I felt like it was air punching. Like, I could not believe. and what's crazy is sometimes you got to build your audience because Serena has been such a great champion over the years and that Ireland and the Puerto Rican, that shit, that stadium, Madison Square Garden felt like, I haven't felt like that as a Puerto Rican since Trinidad. It was like, it was on in there. People were fighting each other. It was crazy in there and, you know, she didn't come to fight the way she normally does, man. And I think that hurt her very much because it's so hard to get the people behind you that way.

4:26It was magical. I'm sitting there. Louis Guzman is there. The girl Gina from Disney. The movies. It's Kevin Hart. By the way, Kevin Hart said the podcast is phenom. He didn't know we was funny. I said, I didn't know we was funny either. And he's like, yo, y 'all big, funny. Shout out to Kevin Hart. Balanga. And it hurt me bad because we lost Amanda Serrano. Shout out to Katie Teller. But the next day, I'm thinking redemption. You know, Puerto Rican's going to win something. So I go out there. You know, I'm looking fly. I got that sky blue Louis shit on. See a sucker. You know, diamonds is out.

5:08Got Remy with me, the family. And another thing, I'll go into his room before he fights. And his wife is like, Malanga's wife is like, Who knew? I said, like, what? She was like, that you guys are so funny. Your podcast is... I don't know. Have you been getting that experience? A lot of love. Airports, diners, malls, Louis store. A lot of love. It's crazy, man. The other day, a FedEx truck pulled up on me and was like, yo, I'm watching you now. I don't know. Shout out to the truckers. My man, Rhino BX. They listen. They must listen. Yeah, they lift the truckers. That's that audio check. that's how it go James they look at the episode some people watching some listen yeah crack some people watching some people listening just laughing and shit like yo these guys are crazy cause we all crazy but um Belonga man he took that L man my little brother you know this ain't just you know I love him to death he's family so it touched me in a different way to see him go down shout out to Hamza everybody who threw the event they took care of us, the Turk you know what I mean, Turkey for Saudi Arabia, Salam Aleikum my brothers but man that was hard that was hard and you know they put him through concussion protocol because he was getting here hard so he's in this room for like an hour and they checking him and then they had forced him to the hospital like it was just it was just wild for me what I didn't like was how the crowd turned on him.

6:49He come out, he New York's on. I see a million Puerto Rican flags, people singing Lean Back. We walking him into the ring. And the next thing you know, what was it, the fourth or fifth round? As soon as he get dropped, I seen the same people cheering for him, screaming and laughing and clapping. And, you know, I'm old, so I've been through this before personally, But I know him. I don't know where he's at mentally to see the fans that were acting like they were cheering from him. And now the difference is they got you on social media, twisted every way. You falling down. You know, the thing is to sell a fight, you know, even in versus.

7:30But I mean, Jaru, one of my best friends. But when I was doing the versus, I'm hyping it up, throwing videos just to get the crowd in there. So he's hyping that shit up, dissing Delahoya with the wig, with the panties. He's trying to hype up the fight. But that happened to me one time. When we used to coach at the Rucker, when I used to coach, shout out Kareem Reed, Mousy and everybody. I had won like, I think five chips in a row before Jay-Z came. And the culture, the Rucker's a prestigious place, but the EBC at that time, it was crickets. So I'm coming there. I'm bringing AI. I'm bringing Steph on.

8:10I mean, one game I had the whole Eastern Conference All-Stars out there. Like, I was dumbing out so much. They brought Kobe because I was dumbing. They brought, right? I was there for Kobe. I bring the tournament back, right, to where, you know, everybody want to play. Everybody bringing NBA players is off the chain. And then Jay-Z throws the team in there. home. He walking in with Beyonce and nah it's a big movie. Whoever you name is walking in with him but it's my park. I won five chips and I own this shit. You understand what I'm saying? So I should be the favorite and everybody was up in there uptown they throw the X when I walked into that game the blackout the whole crowd that goes X threw this up

9:05five years of blood, sweat, and tears making this tournament what it was again. Restoring the faith, the nostalgia in there. I walk in there. I don't know if only their fans got in. I like to think those was the same guys who used to throw the X up. We got to get OG Juan in here to talk about that. I'm telling you, they all did this. Somebody here, OG want, let them know we talking some shit right now. But when they did that, that shit was like an invisible spear in my heart. I was like, yo, you know what I'm trying to type of work I put in now? I was taking summers off. What's up is number one in the country.

9:45They trying to pay me$150 ,000 a show,$200 ,000. I'm taking the whole shit off just to coach these guys, wearing this. I'm out there. That hurt. That was close. I'm sure the Belonga shit was on another level. But that was that's how I felt that day when I was like, damn, I thought these people were with me. And he turned on me like that. And I guess that's part of sports. You know, I've seen some of my friends. I get really mad. Rich gets really mad. So when we see our friends, you know, obviously. Yo, Fat Joe, love that young kid, Belonga. You know it, though, right? No doubt. So I feel like all my friends know it.

10:25So if I'm looking at people trash talking to him on the comments and people that are family that's down with us and laughing and liking it and my man's wives and them, I'm almost like this is like what Trump won. I almost ain't talk to half the people I knew that was going for Trump. So it was like, yo, I'm over here where he loses. They clowning him. and people I know who know I love him are in the comments laughing and told y 'all he had to learn this lesson I mean it's tough it was tough for me I'm sure it's tougher for him hope he's safe and healthy and get back to training and get back on his ankle and what you gotta understand right it's easy to comment about people it's easy to have an opinion about somebody but you know what I see as a kid from the projects in Brooklyn and the Lower East Side who found a way to make over$20 million at a young age.

11:24If I was him, I'd go buy me 10 wing stops right now. You understand what I'm saying? And so when I see a kid come from nothing, this is why I big up like a Cardi B. I know how hard it is for a guy to make it out the South Bronx or Remy Ma. You know how hard it is for a woman to become successful coming out of this shit? And so this is why, you know, I always see that in everybody. I don't know if you know, but, you know, you know the rapper out of the UK, Skepta, called out the whole United States. Did you see that? The man... No, no. No, let me talk... I thought he just said something about joining Lucas.

12:09No, he said the whole United States fell off. all the rappers are trash and Jonah Luca the only one who stuck his chin out he's the only one that said yo my man like are you serious? Yo y 'all had it y 'all whack y 'all not bringing it no more this this that and Jonah Luca said that and he talked some shit about him and Jonah Luca said you know what I'm gonna just fall back and then they really talked shit about Jonah Luca like yo he folded you know they call you to the yard, you got to come out. And so, Skepta did a diss record and then Joyner just answered earlier today, which was pretty fire.

12:52But, you know, that's round one. Not the whole United... I don't know about global. Global? Yeah, that's global. You think the United States fell off rap completely? Hell no. No question. You know, Drake went up there and co-signed a man that said the best lyricist is from the UK. That might have threw the extra energy. Sure it did. That's cool. That's what you... This is a competitive blood sport. It always been. Just the new evolution of digital technology just makes it a little easier. I agree that the UK started that drill rap shit. I do agree. I don't know who started what. And they making great music.

13:41But the whole United States, come on, Kess. Like, you know, you can't. I'm not even commenting on the whole United States. What is that?

13:54Yo, let me tell you something, man. I came with this bar. It's sad. They sent me to the wolves and I came back with a fur. That sounds like something out of the Bible. The new Bible. They sent me to the wolves and I came back with a fur. And that's what it's like being from any inner city, being from nothing. You know, I try to tell people, if you can look at your family's DNA, your ancestors, what they went through, how poor they was, how fucked up they are, and you're the first in a generation of hundreds of DNA lines to become successful, take care of your family, send your kids to college, that means you're an exceptional guy, man.

14:48And so that's how I look at all of you and everybody who overcame all the odds. Pretty much a good way to look at it, you know what I mean? If you're not letting the devil occupy your time and you're doing something useful, to bring change to your family finances is always a good thing. Because it's hard, like you said. Bad Bunny. The man started a residency in Puerto Rico. LeBron went out there, Draymond Green. He sold out, I think, 60 concerts in a row. Stadium, the Cholo, see him. And he's generating over$200 million for Puerto Rico and everybody flying. I'm flying in. Me and Nori flying in with our families.

15:38And we're going to go party with Bad Bunny and all that. How ill is that? That he took power into his own hands. He refused to tour. He's not going to tour nowhere. United States, anywhere. You got to go there, book tickets, book hotels, eat at the restaurants, feed the people. that's some pretty ill shit what you think about that you need more shit like that in the culture in hip hop you know what I mean that was a good thing for him to do a very honorable thing to do for PR Puerto Rico Puerto Rico it's crazy because I go to the fight back to the malanga right and you know I was like this. I was a big boy.

16:29I was 480. So we sit in the front row, my wife, my daughter, Remy, and we sitting next to my brother, Gorilla Mems. Bing Bomb, one of the best guys in the world. The band sitting, damn, man, they was calling him Seat and a Half because he was taking up a seat and a half. And so who called him Seat and a Half? Yo, yo, listen. I ain't going to, you know, if this was the mafia, Chris, he'd be them seating the half. Because he'd take up seat and a half, right? So my daughter's sitting there. Yo, my daughter's sitting next to him. She's in the fucking pretzel. So she's squirting his head out there.

17:14You left Azzy with the half a seat? Azzy had the half a seat. So she's like, somehow we finessed the seat next to Remy. She sat there and my wife turns around and tells them, which player's coming to sit here next to you? He said, oh, no, Rich Platt, he too big to sit here. He can't come up in here. And I said, that's like the kettle calling the pot black or something. I said, this motherfucker. So I ain't going to lie. My wife has some jokes. So I was like, yo, bro, you fell in love with a big boy, man. Don't disrespect the guy. The guy was over there. Shout out to Paul, Eminem's manager. Rosenberg.

17:53Rosenberg and fucking Rob Reef Tulo was in the building. Yeah, seat and a half. Yo, Nemz is your thing. He loves the show. Not after he called him seat and a half. No, I don't give a fuck. You got to understand the whole shit is, even if I'm making jokes about you, if I'm saying S &S with the mustard shirt, he getting bookings. He called me and said, thank you, Joe. My bookings are going up. We had a shit moving out here right now. Collab on him with the shirt with the mustard on it. No, that, that, no. He has to laugh with him. When I tell you SNF, well, who's your favorite DJs of all time? No, no, I ain't doing that.

18:34I'm just saying, let me like around like three DJs. I'll tell you, mine's a twist of a finger. Yeah, my shit really quick. Let me hear it. I'll let you go first. It's not even a competition. You know, pride comes before the fall. But let me say something, right? I'm Kid Capri. Stealing. What do you want me to do? S &S? I'm going to say Funkmaster Flex. Just on that radio space. You only doing three, right? You only doing three? Three? Nah, I got to throw Ted Smoove somewhere in there. All right, four. It's an honorable mention. All right, who else? No, no, you go. Only four? Three with an honorable mention?

19:20I would do. It's three with an honorable mention. Why do you always change that? No, no, no. It's changed the rules, man. It's with the honorable mention. All right. So my honorable mention is Ted Smove. All right. That's cool. I like those. That was very beautiful. Cal are too rich to put him in the DJ. Man, you just throwing all types of shit. No, no, I'm just saying he too rich. Man. Cal are too rich to put him in the DJ. He just going to keep going up this shit. No, no, no. All right. D-Nice. Rest in peace, Clark Kent. You know what I mean? I'm throwing my DJ tech in there. Then I'm coming back.

19:52DJ Jazzy Jeff. Oh, my God.

19:59I only said four. I said three in the honorable. Yeah, I did three. I only did what I did. You went to Jazzy Jeff. All right, well, make it that. I ain't got to go out of you. I just named you four for right there. I love all the guys you said. I love all the guys you said. And there's so many DJs that we could have mentioned. You know what I'm saying? Bismarck, he rest in peace. Bismarck used to rock it, right? Q-Tip, Vashti. See, I start naming shit to him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With that hat. What's that hat? Cassidy. Cassidy's different. A man Cassidy with that. He's an eclectic taste, you know?

20:39I mean, he's one of the biggest ever. You know, one of the things the clip said on that album is we create content. We're not content creators. and so uh the mind of somebody um being creative you know thinking that we thought of joe and jay who who thought of this combination it'll work the way it is because it feels like yin and yang or the odd couples you know what i'm saying i say some crazy shit and you thinking like normal people thing. He's saying some crazy shit, right? But the magic of creating something, music, anything, you know, the juice. Who came up with the concept to have the juice bars?

21:26Out of us is SP. Styles is first to even, you know, make that a thing. Shout out to my brothers Nye and Leo. But Pete was the first one to get us on the health kick.

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22:25Why did that line hit? Why did it change hip-hop forever? I can't promise you we got the answers. But you're definitely going to have a good time figuring it out. Go check out Full Sprite Living Tracklist. And break down the stories behind your favorite bars at livingtracklist.genius.com. This is the Sprite Living Tracklist. Obey your thirst. An FBI agent and one of America's most notorious mobsters working on the same case. Sounds impossible. It isn't. By any means, starring Yahya Abdul-Mateen II and Mark Wahlberg, is based on the unbelievable true story of an unlikely partnership formed to crack a case the system had failed to solve.

23:10Scarpa wasn't looking for redemption. Strider needed results. And as they chase leads and close it on the truth, the friction between them becomes part of what makes the story so explosive. See, by any means, the way it was meant to be seen. Only in theaters Friday. Get your tickets now. This episode is supported by FX's The Drop, a snowfall saga. Wanda and Leon are back, but this time they're chasing a different kind of legacy. As West Coast rap begins to take over 90s Los Angeles, Wanda is betting on a new generation of artists. But in a city where every opportunity comes with a price, they'll have to decide what they're willing to risk to leave their mark.

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24:30Hit the link right there below and you can call the number up and ask Joe and Jada anything you want. I think we have some. Let's get into this. Yo, what's good? This is BG from Virginia, man. Representing that hip-hop in the jar of preserving the culture. I just want to salute y 'all for doing just that, man. Salute to Jada and Joe for preserving the culture, man. This hip-hop thing for the years and gone. and that's it man that's all salute to y 'all keep it going keep up the great work peace and love from VA hip-hop in the jar preserving the culture peace hip-hop in the jar preserving the culture big shout out and love the VA you know what I mean but love my brother we ain't gonna get a lot of them kind of calls so that was we appreciate that yo Jada in the one take cypher Red Bull freestyle what's that hoodie you're wearing that pink one.

25:22The dude's on it. That shit's fly as fuck. I need to know where to cop that. Oh, I got that from downtown from this. Shout out to Millie's. Millie's plugged me with his man Danny. And it's a new store downtown that I get all the info. I get it to you, my brother. You can actually have the hoodie that I had on. I can't wear it again, too. You can actually get that actual one I wore. Just DM me or do something, you know what I mean? Hit us up somehow on the show and I'll give you the actual hoodie from the Red Bull. I only got one of the hoodies, so it's only one. I mean, forget about it. We got his name and all that.

26:04Yeah, we got his name. I got you. Yeah, he gonna get that. Next question. Joe and Jada. Hey, Joe and Jada. What's good, man? This is David. Originally from Queens, New York, but I live in Houston now. Been listening to you guys since I was about 13, 14 years old. So it's amazing to see you guys together. That's so entertaining. The one question I ask is, has there ever been an artist or artist that you guys ever wanted to collaborate with but just never had the opportunity to? And if, you know, if you couldn't, like what was the reason? Or is it just because, you know, they might have passed away or whatever like that?

26:44What's the one dream collaboration you guys ever wanted to do? Andre Three Stacks and Stevie Wonder for me I said Dr. Dre but you know he took it a little different cause he said people ain't hearing no more if I could ever get just some Luth or some MJ hee hee in the background MJ ad lips just some hee hee you know that's the ultimate collab for me next question yo Jada Joe Good looking on the podcast Y 'all doing great Real quick question though Top 5 beats y 'all ever hopped on Or top 10 beats y 'all ever hopped on Or Top 10 beats of all time I'd rather hear y 'all top 10 I might get exposed to some new shit But yeah Good looking and keep it up guys one whatever that was we gonna save that one and talk about it on a we gotta think about it and then we gonna use it for one of your damn things you like to do but we're not gonna do ten we're gonna do five that you rapped on or that that you rapped on and that I rapped my shit bring it on I think the Alchemist did that boom, bam, bam, bam then my lifestyle, Buckwild right and Definition of a Dawn, that's the Alchemist again Primo, thank God for that white and it's always for me you know, my favorite song I ever did in my life is the collaboration with Pond Deep Cover those are my favorite five beats I have a rap to.

28:44I thought he was going to keep going like you usually do. No. Oh, shit. See, this ain't really bad. This ain't really hard because I don't got to think I could say anything. I want all for the love. Swiss. Wow. All for the love. Swiss's first placement. And before it stopped, drop. People don't know that the first locks out of my solo song. All For The Love, that's Swiss beat's first beat in the world. That got placed on the album, first placement. Bam. We gonna make it, Alchemist. You know what I mean? Alchemist, we gonna make it? Benjamins. D-Dot, Derrick Angeletti. You know what I mean? Why?

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29:32Shout out to my man Havoc for my date. You know what I mean? Havoc did why? Yeah. and recognize Primo. I love you. Next question. Please, MOP staff. Hey, hey, Joe and Jada, legends, legends. My question is, my name is Joe, by the way, from Fitchburg, Massachusetts. My question is, how do you guys develop such longevity in the game to where you guys came out in the 90s and still now, everybody wants to hear what you guys have to say everybody wants to dress how you guys dress everybody wants to uh like live the lifestyle of you guys everybody still wants to hear the music you guys drop like how did you guys just have that kind of longevity in this culture that's so different right now um like you see how how the music and how how everybody uh you know what What they want out of life is just so different than we had.

30:36What kind of words can you give the guys that are in their 30s and their 40s right now just to keep that level of cool with the culture right now? Good luck. Yeah, a lot. You got a lot to say, huh? I say the longevity thing is embracing the new stuff that comes out without compromising what you stand for and what you represent. being able to be talked to, being approachable, being able to reach the people and all that other shit is him. Well, you just got to believe in yourself. You know what I'm saying? At all times, as an artist, as a man or a female, as a person. Self-confidence. You got to have that self-confidence and believe in yourself.

31:22You know how many times they counted me out? And, you know, I got stories like I got jerked from my publishing for like 12 to 15 years of my career. And so I was hearing about everybody getting these publishing deals. And for millions of dollars, Ludacris came. He was like, yo, I got this publishing deal for millions. So I was hearing all the rappers. So when I finally got my publishing back, I go around to all the Warner Brothers everywhere that was at Warner Chapel and this. And they were like looking at me like, you know, listening to me. And they were like, yeah, all right. And they was offering me shit, like$200 ,000 deals and all that.

32:03And I remember I went in my car. And my lawyer at the time, he came to the car. I was like, yo, I thought they was giving people millions. He was like, yo, Joe, you're not hot right now. I was like, you know, I guess that's part of the narcissism or the delusion. When he said that, the next day I had drove down to Miami to meet with Scott Storch and we made Lean Back. I came back to New York maybe a month later with Lean Back Fully Done and went back to the same people. They wasn't trying to leave me, let me go out to office. They was offering me M's like crazy because they knew it. And I was showing them the dance, Lean Back.

32:45They were like, oh no, don't leave. Hold up, we got some M's for you. We got some this and this and that. So at the end of the day, the only way to make you believe in us is we got to believe in ourselves. next question please yo kiss yo Joe what's going on Dre from Mass Joe I had a quick question what was it like to see Jada on stage with Dipset vs. Deluxe when he put on that freestyle and he said this is what I do what was going through your brain and what did you think of Jada after that I love the show y 'all keep going Massachusetts stand up we love y 'all peace and thanks for the question is that before COVID or after did you know you caught COVID in there no I did catch COVID in there for the first time but the craziest shit is he sacrificed his life he came to jack me out nah I was taunt right between both of y 'all I thought y 'all were gonna win but dip said ain't nothing to smile at you know what I mean so I think they could have did a lot better if they would have sequenced it right.

33:58Facts. But I was in there and I didn't want to see you see me cheering for them. I didn't want them to see me cheering for you. I was in a fucked up position, right? So I'm sitting there like that. I'm like, what you said, Jada? Should have wore a wig. Should have wore a wig. I should have. Came with the sky. I had the little thing and then they threw on the welcome to New York City. they threw up the home of 9-11. And I'm not going to lie to you. That fucked me up. I forgot all about New York. I was like, oh, my God, they doing this? And then when y 'all dropped that, boom, boom, boom, boom. I couldn't even hide my colors.

34:42I was like, yo, you see that video where you talking all that shit? The camera goes to me. And I'm like, oh. At that point, if it wasn't Dipset, I definitely would have jumped up on that ring and tried to do New York with you right there at that Versus. The shit was crazy because I'm not going to diss my guys too. But that's one of the most epic 20th century hip-hop moments. You know, we heard a shit back in the day like Kumo D, Busy B. We heard of, you know, Kara Swann throwing PM Dawn off the stage. We heard of these legendary times. But in our generation, that right there was just incredible.

35:28It was like the Beatles coming to America. Some wild shit like that. It was like, because, you know, you see the Beatles come to America. You see the girls at the fucking airport by the millions. Like, they couldn't believe they was coming. That's how it felt that night. It felt like it was some shit we had never witnessed before. You know, Michael Buffer came out. Yeah. In this corner from Harlem, New York. That shit was crazy, yo. That whole night was just perfection. It was just perfection. It was a win for hip-hop. Next question. Please. Hey, this is Nate. Joe and Jada, you guys are legends in hip-hop.

36:15I have individual playlists of both of you guys. And I really appreciate your contribution to hip hop. With that stated, is there a feature on an artist song that was supremely impactful in your lives? Also, is there a feature from an artist that you wanted to get, but never had the chance to get? a feature that impacted my life a lot was AZ on Nas and Zilmati I never heard nobody flow like that so smoothly changed our life and I've always wanted you know he's happy with his career and everything but I always wanted I really thought AZ was going to be like a Nas and Jay Z you know on that super a level.

37:12But if we talking features, that's the one that stands out the most to me. If I could pick two, all right. I'm not going to pick two. Me, it had to be Nas live at the barbecue. That fucked us up when we heard that. It was like it was incredibly incredible for some young, the whole song was incredible, but Nas' verse was just crazy for me. For me. After 8 to 12, I went to hell for stuff for Jesus. We never even heard shit. Nobody say nothing even remotely closer. That shit was like, hello? You know? That shit was like, somebody's coming. There you go. We got Nas in both those. It was crazy. Next question, please.

38:06I got a two-part question for both. Two-part. That's four questions.

38:39not putting him on my record because he body my shit. So, yeah, that's that's what I would like to know. For me, for me, that song was so anytime I do a freestyle is paying homage to this original song because you like it that much. But that 40 Bars of Terror, yeah, the beat, I couldn't wait to use that beat. I was doing the Champions Air part one. So I was doing a whole mixtape and that was definitely after they dropped that song, I'm like, I need that. That's definitely going to be one of the instrumentals I use. So yeah, that was for me, it's always homage. Anytime you hear me doing any bars on somebody beat, it's because you like the original beat, especially when you do 40 bars or more.

39:28You really love the beat. 40 bars. I don't know, man. And I just, you know, I love Jadakiss every time he raps. I think he's one of the few. I ain't trying to gas this dude. He don't need it right now. But, you know, every time he raps, I feel like he's one of the, man, he's one of the very, very, very, very, very few MCs that I think you kill every verse you ever did. So it's like, you know, I give that to Big, too. somebody like Jay-Z. You know, it's very rare that a rapper kill every verse I ever heard. So, you got to always salute Jada for that. Appreciate that. Next question, please. Joe and Jada, what's up?

40:22This is Riverside Slim. Riverside Slim, he forgot I found a hole. Crazy, yo. But this one for Jada. Jada, is there any rap song or R &B song whatever that you wanted to write a verse to or you know wish it was your track out of all tracks which one you was like man i could have did an ill verse on that john i think every song that's a hit you feel like you could you wish you could have been featured on it but um how many features have you been on jay did you ever did the numbers they ain't gonna do the analytics on me till i'm dead Right. Then they're going to start finding all kind of incredible new shit that I did that they could have told me when I was alive.

41:10What did he say? Something you wish you was on that you saw? I go from in the club, lean back, all the way up. I actually did a remix of that, me and Fab. Any song that's a hit, you wish you was a part of. Any song that make you want to be on it, that's how you know it's a hit. for me is everything that everything. Bunch of Drake songs bunch of Rick Ross shits, Kanye all of them shits that come out you're like damn why the fuck they call me you know the one song I hear all the time that I be like damn I could have been on you know I should have been on that was was the French song pop that oh yeah damn you missed it that song right there every time I hear it, I'm like, man, I wish I was on that fucking song.

42:04You know, it's just that energy that comes on whenever I work out in the gym, I work out. That's a good song. Matter of fact, I got to try working. That's a good song. Oh, no, no, that's Hype Mania. That right there, that shit will get you hype. Ballin', ballin'. Like in New England. New England. Like I play for New Whiskey. Sheesh. You know, something that came across my desk somebody was talking it was like you know that young kids you know we have a real weird space in hip hop because like young kids they ain't trying to spit you know when we was out there starting we was busting our bubble to come up with some shit nowadays these kids sound effects and it's over before it starts because these guys find a way to either get killed or kill somebody before they even really, really blow up like that.

43:05And so you see kids nowadays saying they don't even want to rap. They'd rather be streamers because they're watching guys like Kassanat, Aiden, and them dudes going to the bank. So kids now, it's almost like we have a lack of talent. No offense to anybody doing their thing, but we have a lack of talent because kids want to go another way for the first time. Instead of just saying, I want to be a rapper, they say, I want to be a streamer. And it's less dangerous. They're getting up there. They're joking. They're making money. They're having fun. They're dancing and they're not dying. What do you think about that?

43:42I'm always put the music first, but you write about that. It's becoming a very dangerous game and a dangerous space. And they drilling and spinning and sliding and doing all of them shits. and decreasing the population. So it'll probably make some of the younger kids don't want to do it. It's also making some of the younger kids want to do it. So you got to keep an eye on that part of it. But, you know, streaming is dope. But I love streaming. I put music first because I'm an artist and I want to see more music. I want to see more artists. I want to see more rapping. You know what I mean? More substance.

44:23but as long as they can stay out of trouble, make money, do whatever they do, that's always a beautiful thing. Well, it seems like all the time my friends who are my age or a little bit younger get back in the gym and start working out crazy. They lift up the whole gym and they tear their shoulder. They always get hurt, these guys. Lift into it. You ever notice a guy, yo, but I mean like every guy I know that starts working out, they hurt themselves. They always, yo, how's the gym? Oh, I tore my, yo. Did this, what the fuck are y 'all doing in there? Me, I'd rather just take old Zempick and take a walk.

45:01And with that being said, ladies and gentlemen, this is the Joe and Jaden show. Why look 53 when you can look 35? Why look 35 when you can look 13? And if you need energy, get that Kiss Cafe, baby. You know what I mean? This is Joe and Jaden. Joe and Jaden, we like. Pow!

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From the publisher

Fat Joe and Jadakiss react to Drake's take that UK rappers have "the world's best lyricists," Skepta calling out US hip hop and igniting a beef with Joyner Lucas, Katie Taylor beating Amanda Serrano on Netflix to put a nail in their trilogy, and Edgar Berlanga losing to Hamzah Sheeraz via a fifth-round KO. Joe and Jada also reveal their favorite hip hop DJs of all-time, including Kid Capri, Funkmaster Flex, DJ Jazzy Jeff, and others. They round out the show with a round of fan questions, with Joe breaking down his struggle with his publishing rights before dropping "Lean Back," Jada revisiting his epic Verzuz battle with The Lox against Dipset, and both hip hop legends discussing their dream collaborations and the iconic tracks they wish they'd been able to feature on.

2:30 - Katie Taylor vs. Amanda Serrano III & Berlanga's loss

6:30 - Rucker Park flipping on Joe

11:30 - Drake's UK rap take & Skepta vs. Joyner Lucas

16:00 - Joe's hilarious run-in with Nems

18:00 - Favorite DJs of all time

25:30 - Fan Q&A

28:00 - Best beats they've ever rapped to

34:00 - Revisiting The Lox vs. Dipset Verzuz battle

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