In short
Joe Crack and Jadakiss debate hip-hop’s “snitching era” after Tekashi 6ix9ine, argue the culture lost its “code,” and discuss Shedeur Sanders’ NFL performance. They also trade wild federal-jail stories (food, rival inmates, Jordans, eggs, pizza) and reflect on family loyalty vs. cutting off parents.
Guests/backgrounds
Fat Joe (NYC rapper/entrepreneur, long-time hip-hop figure) and Jadakiss (NYC rapper, “Joe and Jada Show” co-host). They reference 6ix9ine, Sammy the Bull, Alpo, and Gunna/Gunna’s “rat” controversy, plus Shedeur Sanders (Colorado QB).
Key claims
Snitching is a character issue, not just “separating art from the artist.” 6ix9ine’s cooperation allegedly sent people away for decades and his post-release popularity is framed as encouraging rats. They criticize cutting off mothers/family and praise maintaining family ties while refusing exploitation.
Notable examples
Sammy the Bull allegedly testified on 16; 6ix9ine allegedly helped put people in jail for 20 years; Fat Joe recounts being confronted in Washington Heights by a friend’s “tell” and later federal jail incidents involving “Chef Junior,” mass eggs, and Jordans triggering a hotline investigation.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOControversy in Podcasting
1:28 to 2:36
Discussion on how many podcasts thrive on controversy compared to their approach of leading with love.
“This is Angie Martinez from IRL Podcast.”
Controversy in Podcasting
2:40 to 4:45
Discussion on how many podcasts thrive on controversy compared to their approach of leading with love.
“You know what it is, the Joe and Jada Show.”
Family Relationships and Loyalty
4:45 to 6:10
Exploration of the importance of family loyalty versus romantic relationships.
“He's in the space where his wife is larger than life for him.”
Growing Up in Hip Hop
6:10 to 8:00
Personal stories of growing up in hip hop culture and the challenges faced.
“It should never be no reason for you to cut off your moms or your parents.”
Dealing with Family and Financial Support
8:00 to 10:40
Discussion on supporting family members financially and the challenges that come with it.
“you can't be standing up to your word if you have both of your parents.”
Mother-Son Relationships in Hip Hop
10:40 to 13:00
Reflections on the importance of mother-son relationships in the hip hop community.
“bought them a house, bought them everything, just took care of them forever, right?”
Snitching in Hip Hop
13:00 to 14:00
Discussion on the cultural implications of snitching within the hip hop industry.
“we don't call, but God told me to say that today.”
The Disappearance of Hip Hop's Code
14:00 to 21:44
Discussion of how the code of conduct in hip hop has changed and the impacts of snitching.
“I'm not, is it, be honest, Is it the lady?”
Reflections on Loyalty and Betrayal
23:36 to 28:00
A poignant recounting of personal experiences with loyalty and the consequences of betrayal in relationships.
“Now, we K.A.R., but that's how you almost could throw the flag.”
Hip Hop's Acceptability of Snitching
28:00 to 28:27
The hosts discuss the current acceptance of snitching in hip hop culture.
“And so I've been through this in my life.”
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Analysis of Shador Sanders' Performance
28:28 to 29:54
Discussion on Shador Sanders' performance in his recent football game.
“I think they put him in there for failure and he blew everybody's shit.”
The Importance of Timing in Sports and Music
29:55 to 31:27
Exploring how timing is crucial in both sports and music performance.
“If you hip-hop and you true to the cult, white, Asian, Latino, black, whatever, we fuck with you.”
Rapping Techniques and Lyrical Tricks
31:28 to 34:09
Discussion about lyrical tricks in rap and their significance in songwriting.
“This, his timing was so precise and that's what you need in a Tom Brady and a Pat Mahomes and somebody who got, they chill.”
Humorous Pursuit of Turkey Chops
34:10 to 36:46
A light-hearted conversation about the hosts' search for turkey chops.
“As a matter of fact, that's why I bought Top here.”
Reality of Jail Life and Personal Experiences
36:47 to 42:01
Fat Joe shares personal anecdotes and reflections on his time in jail.
“and this man would be in Cullinans and Harlem and this and this and that.”
Surviving Jail Cuisine
42:01 to 43:40
Learn about the challenges of eating in jail and the surprising reactions to food.
“The point is, the first meal I had to wait on line.”
Unconventional Jail Stories
45:55 to 56:00
Hear wild stories from jail, including unique characters and experiences.
“I got pick up a guy I told you about Hong Kong's Mongolia.”
Reflections on Jail and Life Choices
56:00 to 57:50
Joe shares insights and experiences from his time in jail, reflecting on the struggles and lessons learned.
“such and such the kingpin of all because it's Miami's the hub.”
Upcoming Hip-Hop Tour and Business Ventures
57:50 to 59:50
The hosts discuss an upcoming tour featuring legendary hip-hop artists and the importance of supporting each other's businesses.
“I'm trying to get some of them bags you getting over there.”
Bill Clinton's Sneaker Story
59:50 to 1:02:18
An amusing anecdote about Bill Clinton's interactions with a famous singer and his sense of humor.
“You know how many guys we know with serious money sat down with me?”
Closing Thoughts on Hip-Hop Culture
1:02:18 to 1:03:25
The hosts wrap up their discussion with reflections on their experiences and the evolution of hip-hop culture.
“I'm talking about top five dead or alive singer.”
Transcript
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2:39Available on Plus and Pro plans. And there is no code no more. There just isn't no code no more. It's rats everywhere. Too many Fredos, not enough Michaels. That's a fact.
3:05What's up, y 'all? This is Joe Crack, the Don. It's your boy Jada. You know what it is, the Joe and Jada Show. Welcome to our world. where we get paid to be the flyest dudes in the game and fucking talk shit. This is amazing, this world, right? 2025 is something special. We get to come up here, throw that shit on, and talk shit. It's so crazy, right? Because, yo, Jada, now I'm locked in, right? You locked in, too. You don't realize you locked in. You coming through like, all right, but you really locked in on this podcast shit. And I analyzed this podcast well, and most of them, if we go according to the list that they put out, most of them lead off controversy.
3:55Everything they do is controversy. Sit up in there, talk about girls, talk about dudes, like this, all that shit. If you look at that whole list, all these guys are just amplifying the hate. They actually have some podcasters. podcasters, they made people kill each other on their podcast. Like, yo, this guy said, fuck your mother. Are you going to kill him? Yo, or this, this, this. And they went and killed each other. And they want reparations. They're like, yo, what's my man? Who was it, G Herbo or something? He said, yo, y 'all got to donate something back to the hood. Because the point is, they lead with controversy.
4:33We lead with love. We're here with the spirit of hip hop. we here to preserve the culture and we walk with God we walk with God I'm looking you know what I'm saying on IG I see this guy randomly and he's talking about his wife he even talked about his wife almost like more than God like he was like my wife is everything I cut off my best friend I diss and this and that I diss for my wife anything. This, my wife is number one. I don't care. This, this, this. What do you feel about that example? He's in the space where his wife is larger than life for him. Congrats to him. I mean, he never been, he never caught his left hook or he never been in an experience in the real world yet.
5:34You know, one thing I never liked is guys who, hey, we all love our wives, right? And our family. But I never respected men who get a wife and get so in love with them that they forget their mother. They forget their mother and their family. They act like this is my family. This is no longer my family. Like, I only have to care about my wife and my children and not my moms or my pops or, you know, I never liked that. Yeah, that's kind of cowardly. It should never be no reason for you to cut off your moms or your parents. You know what's crazy? I'm going to ask you something. You don't have to have a comment.
6:22I don't have to have a comment. No. No, I'm just keeping it a buck, right? Because I don't really know enough of the brother to really elaborate. But I could tell you from our perspective, being in the hip hop game for so long. But I see the guy finesse two times. Oh, shit. I seen his mom's on there. I don't know. Let me talk and then maybe chime in. I ain't chiming in. I'm just listening. Go ahead. Because I seen this. so most of us in hip-hop grew up poor, struggling. To this day, I got family members that live in a project. I got to cut you off before that, because it's some like assholes in the comments that think I grew up like the Huckster boots.
7:16I don't know what the fuck is wrong with these people, but coming from where we come from, it's a beautiful thing to have both of your parents. I know in Rapp, they see all these people. Yeah, we had both of our parents. Do that mean we wasn't in the street? No. Do that mean our household, we had gold spoons? No. My mom did. She bust her ass. My pops was on drugs. He was able to shake back. I was outside doing shit. I was smart in school. I was athletic, but I was outside. Just actually people. Just ask the cops. Just ask any fucking body you want to ask. And some reason these people got, you can't be you can't be standing up to your word if you have both of your parents.
8:05Are you some type of asshole? It's a blessing to have both of your parents if you can have both of your parents. Illiteracy. Illusion. It's like, yo, these guys. Illusion of records. Yo, listen, if you a bum, don't comment on made niggas. Tell him again, crack. If you're a bum, don't comment on made niggas, man. Just, just, just, and what's wrong with Elevay? What's wrong with... He came from somewhere to get the fuck out of there. Super superior. That's how I'm looking at that thing. I don't understand when people are stuck in time. These people are stuck in time, and they look at it as their shortcomings.
8:55They look at you like you got to be on it. Yo, listen, check this out. Well, I'm telling you, I still got family members in the projects. Yeah, we just got a large percentage of my family. You can't take care of everybody. Remy, she got family in the projects. One day I ran over there to Queens. I almost beat her up. Like, I'm like, yo, what the fuck? Like, you got to go. They calling me like, yo, Ram out here like it's a picnic. I said, no, no, no, no. You can't do this. But we love our family, and we don't feel better than nobody. And we help everybody if we can. We just don't let them take advantage of us.
9:33Say it again. We help every one of my family members, whether it was directly or indirectly. My Uncle Willie, you know you beat me for three Frankfurter trucks. Pause. The glizzy mania. That almost, that's what. Yo, he beat me for three. Three, please. Some more, my name. Three, he's afraid for the truck. No, he was telling me he's going to have a Frank for the truck outside the hospital. I give him the money, never seen the truck. Year later, yo, Joe, I'm trying to get a Frank for the truck. I play it off like I ain't giving him the money. I gave him the money again, never got the truck. The third time, I give him the money.
10:13He beat me out of three Frank for the trucks, right? He let him keep catching them with Mitch. He wasn't there. My point is, everybody in my family has found a way, not because they know I'm not the one, but they leaned on maybe some funerals, maybe some this. Somebody catch cancer. They sick, and I come through with a silent check. I keep moving. I've done that all for my family. And my moms and pops, I paid their bills for 20 years, bought them a house, bought them everything, just took care of them forever, right? till they died, right? With that saying, right, I look at this video of two-time Finesse's mother, right?
10:55And I don't know you, brother. Finesse two times. He switched. He called her two-time Finesse. I don't know you, brother. I don't know your background. I don't really know the story. What I do know is that I have crazy family. I have scandalous family. I have some family that have taken advantage of me or has tried to take advantage of me where I say, yo, this ain't flying. The advice I have is I don't know what your mom's did for you to fall back from her if she's not lying. Right. But the mom's. You know, that's the threat. Right. So your family, I don't know if it's happened to you, it's happened to me.
11:41I've had somebody in my family say yo help me in this and this and if you don't help me this is how scandalous my family no no I'm going GoFundMe Fat Joe such and such on GoFundMe that broke my heart when a family member told me y 'all go on GoFundMe and make a movie saying this is real shit go ahead I'm telling them go ahead Go get, go fund yourself. You just bought your mother and father a condo. Right? I'm sure you had differences in some way or another. The man's moms look just like him.
12:29And if I'm judging her comments, it didn't sound ratchet, scandalous, or nothing to me. No, she sounds very sincere. She sounded like she was talking from the heart. She wasn't on no bullshit. So when I see it, I'm like, listen, my brother, if you think Fat Joe is something to you or anything, a hip-hop, you know, I would advise you to contact your moms and try to fix that. I just felt like, I'm not lying to you, Jada, we don't do scandalous, we don't call, but God told me to say that today. When I seen that this morning, I was like, yo, if I could just throw it in the air the last resort is to have your moms on social media that's not it I don't know what she did I don't know what anybody did I got a scandalous family bro so I know sometimes it can overwhelm you but if you can find it in the heart if you can seek the Lord work it out with your moms.
13:36I mean, you know, George Floyd was the final straw with police getting away with killing motherfuckers. That was it. Right? What was the event? Who told you that? Well, I mean, guys finally went to jail. The first cops ever went to jail. Down south, up there, homeboys still in jail. David Scherfond. They finally went to jail. They was killing dudes on camera, not going to jail. Somewhere they shot somebody. I'm not, is it, be honest, Is it the lady? Oh, yeah, yeah. They got one day. The cops got one day for one of these shits they did. And they killed him. How bad? You kind of slap in the face is that they get one day in jail.
14:17I agree. You know, with me, you know, all love and everything, but it's always fuck the police. You talking to the wrong kid. You know, it's always fuck the police. But my thing is, what was the NFL? All right. Like, y 'all, peace police. Listen. And then he's trying to fix it. Hey, y 'all, what's the event? Yo, what's the event in hip hop that broke the camel's back? Pause. To make it to where you could snitch. And if you make good music or something, you could still live out here in hip hop. Like, what was the destroyer that broke the camel's back in hip hop where we had a cold and there is no cold no more.
15:05There just isn't no cold no more. And what do you think is the event that, you know, I remember growing up, even if you was fronting, you wasn't a real gangster, but you was spitting gangster rap shit. You wasn't fucking with the rats like that. Right now, this shit sold out concerts. I don't think you can escape them. They all a rap. They like New York City raps. Humans. It's rats everywhere. Everywhere is everywhere. Too many Fredos, not enough Michaels. That's a fact. You know, some of these guys got to take a boat ride, never come back. And so what happens is... Snickers getting on these gangsters.
15:54After police, boat ride, one-way boat keep it going who you think we getting sponsored by the PAO league or some shit we selling liquor coffee we getting sponsored from gangs no no no no yo you focused up no no I'm just saying we gotta talk about it because it's not a fucking code no more and I say the guy who fucked the whole shit up you gonna say it Yeah. Oh, shit. I'm going to say, Sammy the Bull fucked the whole shit up. I remember when I was a kid. Sammy the Bull. Nah. Listen, there's no such thing as a credible rat. But Sammy the Bull will fucking shoot the fuck out of it. He told on 16.
16:48They set him up, though. They altered the tapes. You know that. No, he took the stand, Sammy the Bull. Sammy the Bull's a superior rat. He's a superior rat. He took, he broke. He was a killer too, though. Yeah, that don't mean shit. You can't rat and kill and be justified. No, no, no, no, no, you can't. Oh, he killed, but he rat. Listen. He was justified enough to tell him, let me out of the witness protection. I'm good. I don't need. Yeah. What you got to understand is, Sammy the Bull ratted on his friends. I never forget the one story. There's no, there's no, we ain't giving him a pass. I'm just saying he was a killer.
17:23We know he was a killer. Alpo was a killer. He's a rat. He also told him, let me out of witness protection, too. He's a rat. And then he came out of witness protection enough till we get killed in Harlem. No, but he was moving around, and dudes was smiling, and they wasn't saying nothing to him. You know that. I know that for a fact. That's what I'm saying. That's why it's no. Well, that's too far. What I'm saying, Sammy the Bull. Sammy the Bull. He lasted on the yard for 15 minutes. Sammy the Bull is the most famous rat on the earth. Sammy the Bull. Then you came Alpo. Guy everybody looked up to charismatic.
18:05Harlem Fly, Louis Vuitton shit, this, that. Toll. He did that. Right? Shout out to Wayne Perry and Wayne Perry Jr. Then, in hip-hop, the day six done, sat on that stand. Yo. No! Oh, man. You remember, if you're watching the story, they taking him to court in bulletproof vest. They acting like he was telling on El Chapo. He put a lot of good people in jail, man. Facts. I never... No, no, no, we got to put him away till it's time. Yo, Rich. My feeling is going to get close. You feeling this? I feel this time has come. I feel this time is going to be soon, though. You don't need a lot of... Yeah.
18:49No. Look, I'm not trying to this. Bro, this is something that is something that I'm thinking last night. I'm sitting on the couch trying to come up with what today's show would be about. And it dwells on me that guys. We lost the code in hip hop. Now, is it played out? I watch of a podcast. I know that don't matter no more. This, this, that. Does it not matter no more? And I believe 6ix9ine, when he told, he gave guys 20 years in jail. All the guys, he was like, oh, but he fucked my wife. Oh, but he did. That means nothing. There's a man that works in a bodega that never been a criminal in his life, see some shit, and he won't tell.
19:35It's in your character whether you're going to tell or you're not going to tell. So 6ix9ine was telling. He was hanging out with these cops before they even went. He was telling the drivers, telling on him. Everybody's telling on each other, right? So he's sitting there. That's the biggest excuse. That's with Nicky Barnes. Back in the day, he was on the cover of Times. He told because his man was with his wife. He was saying he was with my wife. But then again, he told on 100 guys. What I'm saying to you is 6 '9", really, guys, youth, whoever's watching. It's not entertainment. Don't tell, dog.
20:12No, no, no. He put guys in jail for 20 years. Nice guys who co-signed him. Now. I want to hear how this is. He comes out of jail. This is how. He comes out of jail. And he goes on his live. I'm not even going to lie. I watched it from a dummy account, too. He had two million. You remember that, nephew? You remember that? He had two million people watching on live. You remember that, right? True or false? Two million to see a rat. Even I was under a dummy Pepe Le Pew account looking at what he gonna say. When he did that, it told the youth, oh, it's over. You could rat, whatever the case may be.
20:55Come home, you still a shit. You lit. Two million this. He in Europe and all that touring. He still, I don't know what his finances is. I hope he's broke. But the man, Thank you. No, I'm cheating. No, that ain't even a flag. This guy's a rat. No, that ain't a flag. So my thing is, this guy running around buying Birkins for girls and this, he made people think it was cool or rat.
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23:45Now, we K.A.R., but that's how you almost could throw the flag. But my thing is now, you got some guys that are the hottest guys in the game. Rats. like I get a phone call from somebody he says yo man you gotta check this album out ever since there's listen ever since I assumed you were right your people ain't fucking with you no more you know I'm not listening I'm off you no matter what you do and I get on the plane and they fucked me I listened to this album this album was so good I was so guilty of this shit I listen to this album. I say shit. They knew he talking about gunning. I'm not saying.
24:32Throw the flag. Throw the flag. Now you got a flag. You got a flag. You have a flag. Because we said we wasn't mentioning names like that. You just said all of that. All I said the album was fire. There's a million racks out there. You got a shout out. You like his album. Nah. You just said you liked it. You just said you enjoyed it. And then said nah. No. I'm not saying that what I am saying is you just said it so where is we don't care no more in hip hop you can rap no I'm asking you can't rap but but what if you do you got the number one album you got two million people on your live you're this and that what the fuck is going on on the earth and Gunner ain't right he just said the gun in the car wasn't his there's only one other person in the car with him what you get that on the way home this is crazy Michael tells him you broke my heart you broke my heart let me try to lighten this shit up a little you know please do cause you over here going too gangster let me tell you something you said you like the album man it's a good album it's a good album the album is good but you feel bad listening to it?
25:56Yeah, I'm a different, you know, once I had a friend, one of my best friends, one of the funniest guys in the world. Like, you would laugh all day. He would make you laugh all day. One of my best friends. And he kept hustling. And I'm Fat Joe the Rapper. And I said, yo, bro, let me buy you a bodega. Like I said, I don't let people take advantage of me. But I begged him, let me buy you a bodega. let me get you a fucking laundromat. Let me buy you something so you can get, he did the rich border. The streets love me. I'm dissident. He's talking all this shit. He gets snatched up by the feds. Right?
26:38Like, damn. One night, I'm in Washington Heights. We have a dinner after the club. You know how you go to the spot after the club and eat? And Dominican dude jumps up and goes, Yo! Yo! Your friend! Your friend, tell on the Dominicans! Your friend! In the middle of a restaurant, Washington Heights, and I'm sitting there. And I look at him, I knew exactly what he was talking about. He told me the name, I said. I said, Papi, I don't sell drugs. You've never seen me around this. Don't do this ever again to me. You're talking to the wrong guy. I don't sell drugs. I rap. this is that and I'll punch you in your face next time you do some shit like straight up right calmed him down his crew grabbed him but he had a point valid point you hanging out with niggas talking about you ain't with the rats this that the nigga rat he comes home from jail and they sending me messages like yo this nigga ain't even got a jacket it's cold it's this that I never went to see this guy one time in my life after he rat it because he violated the code and this is a guy I can still tell you to this day, I loved him like a best friend.
27:57I loved him. But because of the cold, I can't fuck with him. Right? And so I've been through this in my life. And so to see it so acceptable, how everybody's acting like, yo, it's okay. It's no problem. It's good music. It's let's separate the art form from what it is. That's it. We move it on? So be it. So be it. So be it. Shador Sanders. Shador! My God. Tell me about it. You saw the game? Did I? Every play, every snap. What did he look like to you? Like the truth. The truth. Sacked twice. Two or three touchdowns. work the offense like a professional. You know what I mean? He defined every...
28:52I think they put him in there for failure and he blew everybody's shit. Because he was like third or fourth on the depth chart. Then everybody got hurt and they told him he was starting the season opener. So it was like, there's some bullshit. You mean the preseason? No, the preseason opener. They just sprung that on him. He got right in there and held like a champ. First of all, Chador. Shout out, nephew. That's my nigga, base. 138 yards, two touchdowns. 49 snaps, sack twice. What about that? He didn't say that. Look. Yeah, but he was moving. You see that up there? He was moving. Look, I just blew.
29:33You see on the computer. I got to look at that. I mean, they're closely at. What the clip said, Pat Mahomes, on the Clips album, Pat Mahomes. Look up that quote right there, James. On the Clips album. No, no, he's moving. James ain't getting that cool. No, no, he's that quick. Let me tell you something. You don't get it by the end of the show. Shador Sanders. Once again, this is a show for everybody. If you hip-hop and you true to the cult, white, Asian, Latino, black, whatever, we fuck with you. But it was some racist shit. I haven't figured that out. Here he goes again. Yo, the man went what?
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30:13100, 100 and something, what, six rounds? What round this guy? Get fucking real. He's the best guy. How do you pass him 100-something times? That's disrespect. How many teams, we could have used them in Dallas? Because, you know, I'm a fake Dallas fan after my Chiefs or whatever because I got to ride with him. He's better than Dak Prescott. I know it's only one game, but there's so many teams that could have used this guy. They stuck to the code. Call Jada, don't. Nobody pick them. Nobody pick. They did that. Just like. And it was a private entity. You know, it's private. They all fucked up. 143 teams fucked up because the 144th got the number one selling jersey.
31:07Got the number one prospect. And I seen it. His timing. Yo, it's timing. It's impeccable. Right. And that's what makes anybody good. So I see them coming to him. He waits till they almost catch him to throw it over him. Likely the guy runs, he runs this way, runs back, run to make him fall on the straight. This, his timing was so precise and that's what you need in a Tom Brady and a Pat Mahomes and somebody who got, they chill. You know, You see them quarterbacks when you know you got a killer is when they, they down with 60 seconds and they sitting on the sideline. They look like, okay. And they go in there and they gun that ball.
31:56He got that in him. Of course he got that in him. And so I was so excited. We watched on the plane and we, we, we watched every play too. Now him told me about timing, like a great comedian. It's all about timing. A great rapper. It's all about timing. Right? So I even throw it back to Flojo. Right? So I'm going, you got to Flojo. You got to Flojo. You got to, got to, got to, got to let him know, Joe. I gave you a chance to breathe and sing it like it was a hit. It was perfect timing. I didn't know, but it really was perfect timing. You go to Daz FX. and they go weeping willow or they go what's the shit the one, two uh that's all timing when the guy I got a light skinned girl like Michael Jackson got a dark skinned girl looking like this is all timing and you rapping and then they all great rappers know how somewhere in there to put a bar in there like, what's wrong with a little menage?
33:14That's great timing. And so that's what makes, no, I'm telling you. You ain't wrong. It's timing. It's whole timing. What are some songs like that, some bars that stand out from you or any other artist that's like, when you hear it, you like yo this guy know what you doing it's called a trick in the song Steve Stout put me up on it it's called what? it's a trick songs that have a trick in them it's like and I wish I never remember so he said I didn't know it was an actual that's what it's called you saying it's a certain bar but it's a bar and it's also a trick in the song that makes the whole hit songs have them in there.
34:07Yeah, yeah, it's a wish and a hurt. That's exactly what I'm talking about. I'm running out of my patience. That's what. Knock yourself out. Here is no turkey chops. Yo, yo, yo. Yo. It is turkey chops. As a matter of fact, that's why I bought Top here. Top, order this guy some turkey chops. Yo, yo. Send it to the crib. Yo, I went to 20 stores. Chops. My massage stuff. Shout out to my... I told them. Shady Brook got them, man. Shady Brook. Yo, Shady Brook. Where? Send fat your fucking pack of turkey chops. I went to stop and shopped 20 of them. They ain't got no turkey chops. Went to the wrong ones.
34:49Everybody who told me, yo, it's turkey chops. I sent them to get me turkey chops. Nobody bought back. Huh? Yo, I need them bad. I been looking for turkey chops. Yo, I need them bad. You know, I used to be with Von Zip, man, the living legend in Harlem. He used to take me down there to the village. They had a fancy... Somebody get him a turkey chop, please. They had a fancy restaurant. Not restaurant, supermarkets. Citadela or some shit. Who has it? Shady Brook turkey chop. Yeah, man. Order them shits right now, man. Yo, Rich, can you order this turkey chop? Well, you got to get it from the company, right?
35:28I mean, the supermarket. Yo, Rich, that might have been a flag. So it's a flag. You want me to get some turkey chops? He got the flag. Yo. Yo. Yo, he got it. I've been looking for him. Yo, somebody insta-call him. Yo, but you got to get like 10 packs. Can we insta-call him? I tell you, I got a cash. Can we insta-call him some turkey chops right now so we can see them? Yo, I'm looking. Everybody who told me, yo, I got turkey chops. None of them was able to buy me a turkey chop. They couldn't produce. They couldn't produce. It ain't in season right now, I guess, because I couldn't see. I went to 20 hood stoppers shops.
36:05Nobody had turkey chops. No, no, I need turkey chops. It's the same thing. You got to feel like a pork chop. But it's a, you know, I'm the guy. I find yellow watermelon. Like, I get the yellow watermelon. We got yellow watermelon right now. I get the pink pineapples. Like, I'm good at finding shit. I can't find a turkey chop. I'm keeping it real. I find the yellow waterman, the pink pineapple. Why I can't find a turkey chop? You don't know where to look. I've been looking. I've been looking. Turkey cutlet, man. It's the same thing. I can shout out my man, Von Zip, rest in peace, right? Von Zip was like the last no-snitch American gangster from all of them.
36:51That's it. and this man would be in Cullinans and Harlem and this and this and that. And I remember one time just to show off with me, he picked me up. He said, yo, Joe, come with me. I'm buying the Benz. So we go out to Jersey. He pays in cash for the Benz with the small face 20s. Just showing me. He had like 1970s money and he counted all this shit there. You could smell like it was in a wall. Just in front for me. He must have went in the war, pulled out some old school money and bought the shit with old school. You know, everybody be rapping like, you know, I got money for the, you know, I got money I ain't spent since 92.
37:34This he really took me to buy a Benz, maybe a hundred something thousand. And it was all in that old school where you smell a shit. Your father left you some money like that. Right now. He did, though. Tom P left you some money. that, remember you smell old like it was back in the day shit. Money always worked. Let me tell you something. Speaking of timing, I never really brag about jail because I only did four months. I got friends that did 20, 30, 40 years. But last night I get - I only did four days. Huh? I only did four days. Man, that's a lot. Hell yeah. Looking out the window for four days.
38:13Looking at the bus stop. What? I know you was at County so you had black coffee, bologna sandwich, shit like that I had one cup of Kool-Aid tell you something I did time I gotta explain this to you, I did time in the feds don't like and there's two, you know I'm thinking mate let me tell you, I'm thinking mate I grew up in the projects and there's this grass in the middle of all the project buildings we got big project buildings every building's 14th floor 145 apartments i counted all the doors right
38:52everybody 14 floors 145 apartments yes counted all the doors counted all the doors now and everybody got nine kids so this shit is like you fuck up one guy you gotta fight the other brother you gotta fight jamie jonathan crayford till you get fucked up till one of them found you out you gotta go up the line then the cock diesel brother come out good luck at least you stood tall you fought you got your ass whipped that's where I come from projects is like gladiator the point I'm trying to make is there's a big grass in my projects everybody has shootouts there they have fights you know one day I go up to the roof of my building and I look at the grass and I say to myself was this like an experiment because like if you go up on my roof and you see the gun battles and the fights and everything that happened in the middle of the grass you sit up there it's almost like the coliseum and so where i'm getting to is when you go to the fez where i went you got 2 000 dudes jamaicans area nations spanish dudes black dudes this these white american dudes and there's only four tables I'm just trying to...
40:09There's four tables with four chairs. That's 16 seats. And there's 2 ,000 guys. And it's right in front of the three TVs. You got the Spanish TV, the blackest guy. Don't know English. She looking at the mommies in the Spanish TV. Like, that's like... Del mundo. No, no, that shit is like... You might as well call that shit soft porn. Motherfucker looking at that. They don't got to know what they talking about. They up in there like this every day, right? So you got four tables. Of course, I got a table, right? Ooh, I got a table. No, no, I walk in there in 10 minutes. In 10 minutes, I say, yo, who sits in them tables?
40:48Homeboy looked at me shook because a lot of guys are pussy. They're not really real. Just because you in jail, you act tough, you get in jail, I watch people get smacked, punched in the face and said, my bag can keep walking. These guys cocked. These who playing basketball, nephew, you don't got to go in there for me to tell you. The guys you think is tough on your block. I watch guys get punched in their face and say, my bag. I'm sorry. And walk away. I never seen no shit like that. You got to fucking murder me. Like you just can't do it. Right. So I'm up in there. He does that. I go down to the table.
41:22Guy sitting there. I'm like, you're my man. Get the fuck up. He don't want to get up. I say, you're my man. You got to get the fuck up. He got up and he left. So I took the table. 10 minutes in there, right? Sit down. Half the jail hated me. A thousand niggas hated me because they was like, oh, he's not going to kick freestyles. These niggas didn't hear on this bullshit, right? Who wanted you to rhyme? Everybody rhyme in jail. Everybody want to rhyme for you. I ain't let one dude rhyme for me. So I'm sitting down in the chair. They looking. Some of them hate me. Some of them don't. Whatever. Who gives a fuck, right?
41:59Only got four months anyway. So I'm willing to be in the box for the four months. the point is soon as I figured it out like I just needed like a week in there right because the first week the feds don't give you commissary I don't give a fuck if you Donald Trump it takes you two weeks I got him getting it I walked in there listen you got him getting it I got him getting it he breaks the rules let me tell you I walked in with$5 ,000 cash in my pocket to put in commissary he still took two two weeks. The point is, the first meal I had to wait on line. And they were very generous. Everybody, they kept throwing, like the plate, they kept throwing, they threw like six or eight of them on my table, right?
42:46When I tell you this shit tastes like dope, listen, even the guys that mind their business, there's some guys in jail mind their business, don't bother nobody. They over there, they don't talk to nobody. You know, they good people. When I tell you all of them looked over and wanted to see my first reaction when you had to eat his fucking food. This was dog shit, this food, right? My dog was eating better than this. They all look and they was like, okay, he know what it is in here now, right? So I go like this, but very quick, I got me an Italian chef. They had a chef down in the thing, Chef Junior.
43:20He wasn't pussy, so don't think he was just a tech, but he was my chef. He'd make me homemade ice cream, mozzarella. They would steal the clams and he would make me Laguini and clams, so it's all type of shit. We was dumbing out.
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45:54I got the guy. I got pick up a guy I told you about Hong Kong's Mongolia. So in jail in jail How you think the nigga Hong Kong's Mongolia is? Because he was the guy nobody wanted. And so in jail if you white, you with the white guys you black, you with the black guy, you with the Spanish. He was a white guy that the white guys ain't want. But I saw him and he was, man, he had that boot strength. So like he played basketball and nobody wanted to deal him because he'll hit you with an elbow or shit. He was strong. So I said, my man, come with us, man. You eat with us, you with us. I gave him a name.
46:37Hong Kong's Mongolia. And one day he comes up to me because the guy's partially slow. I mean, but he's just, no, no, he's not slow. He's just slow. He's a little bit old. He ain't go past second grade. But this guy was, you know, he was second Graves. Give him at least six Graves. No, this guy take out 1020. Give him six. Give him six or seven. This guy would take out 1020 guys. Like, it was all out war. He's gonna take out 1020. He's Hong Kong's Mon Cody. He used to stand there like this. The white guys was looking like, oh shit. It gotta be something to this. Fat Joseph snatched up this guy and I'm calling him in the old job.
47:24Yo, listen, ain't no different than this show. Hong Kong's Mongolian. He's walking through. What's up, boss? They looking like we made of a stake. We didn't recruit this thing. He was like Shadour. They let him go. They let him go. He went past all the drafts and I seen the sparkle in him. I said, yo, this is Hong Kong's Mongolian. He come up to me one day. He said, boss, boss, I said, what's up? He said, I just realized Hong Kong and Mongolia is two different places. I said, my man, shut the fuck up. Be happy. I gave you a day. Get the fuck out of here. OK, boss. OK, boss. He goes on. But I got this story.
48:05I thought about it last night. And I don't really brag about jail because these guys did 10 ,000 years in jail. But in the feds, less now than ever. But they always said you go to the feds and guys got money in there. so next to me in the table don't ask me how they got the table was for Latinos but they they could be I'm in Miami so they could be like Cuban but I don't think they Cuban but you could tell they got money like in the streets if I pulled up in the cullinan they pulling up in the cullinan they pulling up these guys got money they're not bothering nobody they got money I don't really talk to them because they really ain't my type of guys I'm sorry if y 'all watching.
48:46It wasn't my style of guy. You know what I'm saying? And so one day, we sitting there, we watching TV and the guy goes and orders a pizza pie. Now, at least jail I was in a pizza pie is like caviar. Right? Everybody ain't have a pizza pie. Any normal person ain't have a pizza pie. You had a real pizza pie? Nah, nah. Jail pizza pie is still a big deal. In jail I watch niggas throwing bananas down they shit or apple. Like, niggas do the most derelict shit for anything in there. Like, I mean, grown men, yo, watching your back while you're stealing a banana. That's how bad it is in jail, bro. This shit is really a third world country in America.
49:29It's bad in there. But anyway, pizza, they up to like 20 pizzas. For no reason. They couldn't even eat it. Y 'all, another pizza. Every time a pizza came, they kept looking at me. My table was right next to them. It was like, I go in my cell. Okay. In the feds, at least the jail I'm at, the eggs they give you in the morning is powdered eggs. They had never seen a real egg in the jail. A fucking egg. Think about where you go to the store and buy a dozen. They had never seen a real egg in the jail I was in. I go in my cell, I come out. Microwaves right there, the whole fucking shit you see. Crack of egg.
50:15Bam. One. That was it. Yo. They had never seen an egg. Bam. One. Bam. Two. Bam. I'm up to 40, 50 eggs. Bam. Bam. Bam. The whole jail's watching. The arms. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. I'm trying to. That's the track flag. 40, 50 eggs. How about I keep going to like 6 to 7? 6 to 7? 67, 8? 6 to 7? 6, 7? Like this? Them motherfucking look at me dizzy. They learned. The pizza dudes. Bro, they'd never seen an egg. I bust open so many eggs. The scramble eggs was so big. And I just kept going like this, like letting them know, like, yo, bro, I got shit you ain't even see in this fucking jail. Y 'all trying to play with me with some pizzas.
51:26Y 'all got me fucked up. I get up to the six, seven. I give it to Chef Junior, let him go. You know what's crazy is we had and this, this, this. No offense, but this slight racist, what I'm about to say right now. We had. No, no, no. I'm telling you. We had one Asian guy in the whole jail. One Asian. And I would bother him every day. Like, yo, you make Chinese rice. You know how to cook. You know how to cook. You make Chinese. I'm a fat dude. Like, I prefer, like, listen to me, man. I want the Chinese rice, the man telling me, yo, I don't cook. I keep bothering him. Yo, he's like, I don't cook.
52:07I don't cook. I'm like, yo, you got Chinese, you know. Huh? huh? They know how to make it. He went, I got to give him it. He wouldn't let me plunk him into making Chinese rice. I kept bothering him. Like, yo, you make Chinese, you got Chinese food. You got Chinese, you know how to, he was like, no, I want, don't know. All right. So one day is my man's birthday and I give the dude the white towel, like Mr. Chow. And I have him, I have him serve my man for his birthday. Like his man, I said, yo, Mr. Chow, baby. Mr. Child, I got the, with the white, with the white towel over his head. I'm like, yo, Mr.
52:44Child, man, in the feds, man, you got Mr. Child. I mean, yo, we was clowns, man. This thing is crazy. No, no. Yo, listen. Clowns. I said, so I go on a visit and somebody slips me some Jordans. Now, in the feds, you're either wearing a gray sweatsuit or a beige. I don't give a fuck who you are. They are not. No one has Jordans. I got it by default. You told me, yo, slip your shit off. I slipped it off in the visit. Then I put them on as Jordans. Biggest mistake of my life. I go up in the elevator the whole elevator's life. You know, because in this building, they got these elevators. you can put a tractor trailer in there.
53:38So they got 300 guys on the building. The whole visit is looking at my feet like. I walk in the fucking tier. Puerto Rican dude, Barba. I would love to see him. He was a Barba with a little tail from Puerto Rico, Puerto Rico. He was a real one. So he runs up and goes. Like I tell you, he's real racial in there. He runs up and goes, Maybach, Maybach. He starts screaming. If I wanted to be on the low, it's no low. He's screaming Maybach. Maybach. Basically, he's saying, yo, the Puerto Rican, the Latino guy, the Maybach, like the Cullinan on his feet. You ain't never see this shit. He telling everybody, yo, them Jordans is a Maybach in here, man.
54:23It's a fucking Maybach. And he's screaming and everybody start looking from all corners. So I get the spaghetti feet, damn near. You know, my shit looking like Jerry Lewis. I'm walking too. For sure I'm in trouble. Right? For sure. I'm not scared that somebody's stealing a sneaker. I'm in trouble. Right? So I felt like homeboy, what's his name? Huggy Bear with the fish tank pumps. Remember when he came out the jail, he had the fish in the shoes? Years later, and they was playing public enemy. It's shit. I'm going to get you, sucker. Bro, I felt like Huggy Bear walking out there in them shits. Sure enough, the next day, they rushed my cell.
55:03They got these people, like internal affairs or whatever they call SIS. They rush the cell. Boom. I'm working out. They pull out the Jordans. I go in the thing. The assistant warden is there. Now, this woman, shout out to the woman. She's like tough, real tough. So I said, hey, I was always nice to this lady. I don't know why I was always nice to her. Anytime I passed her, anytime I did something, I was like, hey, warden. And I had that report. So she says, none of these people are your friends, Joe. We got like 40 phone calls from the hotline talking about you got the Jordans. So I'm like, you know, I know my friends.
55:48She said, do you know what we got in here? I said, no. She said, such and such, the leader of the shower pass. Such and such, the leader of the guerrilla FARC army in Columbia. such and such the kingpin of all because it's Miami's the hub. So if you doing work out there, Jamaica, Santo Domingo, Puerto Rico, the killers are all killers. They throw them over. It's Miami's the hub, right? And she said, and do you know every floor I go to whose fucking name I hear the most? She said, fat motherfucking Joe. I said, yo, what you want me to do? Like, I've been humble. I don't get into arguments with nobody.
56:32She's like, Jody, not your friend. They called up and she gave me a chance. Thank God. But that was, you know, they all called on me. All you guys, you know who you are. They all called on me about the Jordans. But, you know, jail was different. I don't advise nobody to go there. To me, it's like communism. It's a third world country. If your family don't send you no money, then you have no resort but to do crazy things, man. But I was just thinking about that today because I don't try to think about that. You know what I'm saying? But sometimes it can't escape your mind. Yeah. Last night, I don't know.
57:05It's the simple things, man. I was just thinking about it because, you know, my whole life I've been chasing the stunt. My whole life I've been flexing. My whole life since I'm a kid, I've been trying to make a movie. And I just got, I started laughing when I thought about the eggs and the fucking, the pizza pie. Like, I really stunted on him with the eggs. That shit was crazy, man. But hip-hop, we got a tour coming. Havoc of Marb Deep, Ray Kwan the Chef. Lox. Lox is on that tour? Uh-huh. Are you, yeah? Supposed to be. You guys are killing the market, man. I got to go to Yugoslavia to get a check.
57:51Yo, come on. You guys is. I'm trying to get some of them bags you getting over there. South Dakota, North Dakota. You know what I'm saying, Rich? We in Miami. We in Miami. You know, I mean, it is what it is, but that would be crazy. Lox, Maudit, Ray Korn, the chef. That would be, like, I love what y 'all doing with the cash money. Because it should be a nice show. You can bring samples from Dynasty Commodity. I mean, do you guys have samples? because I don't get high, but if I got high, did you have a sample? You can have a pre-roll for you to test them for you. So Dynasty Commodity does have samples.
58:32Okay. Thank you very much. Shout out Trigger Tone, Jamal. You got a sample from Dynasty Commodity? This is the number one D got. I got you a sample? Yeah, they gave me a nice... No! Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Rich. They took care of me. Yo, Rich. I'm sorry. I'm sorry I thought you didn't give out samples. Yeah, he gave me a nice package when I went for the... Stiles P opened up a joint. Yeah, Strings for Life, 145th and Broadway. Oh, that's going to be fun. Yeah, I mean... I might pull up today on that motherfucker just to pull up. I don't get high, but I got to go show support. Anytime one of us open a business, do anything like that, we got to pull up.
59:13Facts. That's like, you know, that's the American dream, being an entrepreneur. You know what I'm saying? I've been an entrepreneur since I'm 12 years old. I don't want to work for nobody. I just don't want to. You remember when Nori was up here, he was like, yeah, you know, I wanted y 'all. I was like, yeah, Nori, I worship you. I don't just worship you. I love you to death. I'm not working for you. I just don't. It's hard. I can't work for nobody. It's so hard. Every business I ever did, somebody done sat down with me. Yo, I want to invest money. I'm like, I'm good. Did I do the rewind attempt?
59:52You know how many guys we know with serious money sat down with me? I love it. It's disruptive. Can I give you$10 million of this? I'm like, nah, bro. I'm cool. I'm the boss. Why would I want? You know what I'm saying? But, you know, whenever one of us get a business, you know, I pulled up when Raekwon got one. Hashtag story. New York, New Jersey. I went out there. Hashtag story, man. Hashtag story. we gotta definitely get on war cause we throwing that shit on up here man they overlooking us nah they overlooking us they overlooking us man these guys are dizzy and the colder it gets we been doing this summer when it gets cold we don't have that super electrical shit on how cold it is in here yo by the way the AC snaps the back of the neck guys I'm not complaining.
1:00:45This place is incredible. For some reason, the AC is like, wow. Now, you got to be right under it because when we have a guest and I got a shit over there, I said, I know what crack. Yo, I got like a professional cold. This shit don't leave. I have a cold for life. Yo, it's under. Yo, this shit is legendary. You under there. Yesterday, for some reason, it was really working. Bam, just on my neck and shit. Yo, all of them, you got something? Look what my man Harlem made for me, man. He said he got a gift for me. I told him, man, you might as well come on Harlem everywhere, man. He's a great guy, man.
1:01:22I knew you looked at it. I knew you had it. You know this shit happened. Bill Clinton wearing the TS Air Force. That's fine. This ain't Photoshop, my brother. No, that's fine. There ain't no capping this. You see that I got that presidential Bill Clinton rocking these sneakers. I've been trying to put up a poster I got of this in my house. They won't allow me. Hold it up. It's Bill Clinton, bro. Thank you, my brother. This shit is beautiful. I don't see why he wouldn't wear your Air Force Ones. He like getting edged. Throw the flag. Yo, you got two, two. That's a flag. He gonna hit me with a flag.
1:02:01I hit my own something. Throw the flag, man. Probably had some airs on when he got right. Man. I mean, my man, Bill. probably a head's on in the whole office that day. I know somebody who's, I can't say, but who is, I'm talking about top five dead or alive singer. I can't even, in every genre. The man goes to perform for Christmas at the White House. And he says Bill Clinton, pulled him in the room and was like, yo, where the hoes at, bro? I thought you were the
1:02:48it seems Bill ain't learned his lesson Bill Clinton tells him, I'll tell you who after college, you'll die the man tells me, yo, I'll go to sing at the White House, Bill Clinton pulls me in the room like, yo, I thought you had all the bitches, man where's the bitches at? This, this, that he was like, yo, this is the in the White House, the president, you know, Bill he liked the ladies, man And with that, this is crack. This is kiss. This ain't that and that ain't this. It's crack and it's kiss. And boy, enjoy this evergreen, baby. Get one.
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Fat Joe and Jadakiss are BACK to discuss the troubling rise of snitching in hip hop, from Tekashi 6ix9ine pointing people out in court to the rumors swirling around Gunna's involvement in Young Thug's trial. Joe and Jada also react to Shedeur Sanders' electric NFL preseason debut for the Cleveland Browns against the Carolina Panthers, Finesse2Tymes dealing with controversy after his mother came out with a GoFundMe, and Joe tells some EPIC stories from his time in jail.
5:30 - Finesse2Tymes drama
14:00 - Tekashi 6ix9ine & snitching in hip hop
25:00 - Joe's reaction to Gunna's album
29:30 - Shedeur Sanders BALLED OUT
39:00 - Fat Joe shares WILD jail stories
1:00:15 - The Lox joining Mobb Deep & Raekwon on tour?
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