Fat Joe & Jadakiss talk Knicks parade, Illmatic vs. The Chronic, richest rappers & BET Awards reactions

28:40Shop GrandAppliance.com. Hey, everyone. It's Cal Penn, host of Earsay, the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast, I'm sitting down with Divergent author Veronica Roth to talk about her sprawling new novel, Seek the Traitor's Son. It's a sci-fi fantasy epic about two protagonists on opposite sides of a war and a prophecy neither of them wanted. My first book was Divergent. And when that came out, like, because it was so popular, I think it attracted, like, mostly positivity. but the negativity I sucked in like a sponge. And I think it was like critiques of things I liked when I was like, you know, I was 23 and I wrote this book and it had all my like dorky little cheesy or maybe unrealistic loves in it.

29:27And I started to feel a lot of shame about those things. And so for the rest of my career, I steered away from those little things that like make you feel pleasure when you read. But I also was like saying no to these parts of myself that I then was like, screw it. So that's this book. Listen to Earsay, the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. If your best finance people are doing expense reports, chasing receipts or spending time on month end close, it's time to get Brex AF, a gentic finance that eliminates that work before it starts. Learn more at brecks.com slash AF.

30:38They did top to bottom, though. I posted it on the video. Nicks? Yes! Niggas did 10 cars. Different graffiti, right? You know how much a whole car is? They did 10 whole cars. The whole car is nicks, nicks, nicks, nicks, nicks. Different graffiti niggas did a mural for the next. He hit me. Yo, your guys still hit it. I said, no, that's not my guys. But I could have told you they were going to do it. Like, niggas ain't doing it in the greatest city. But anyway, Jay-Z had the train rat. Fire. He should have told me because I was talking to him a week before to do that. He was acting like it was impossible.

31:17Then Jay come with the shit. You know what they did to me? Shout out to the point. I do graffiti on the rooftop there with Tats. I went there and there's a guy who cooks there. He's a caterer. He uses the kitchen. I'm starving. You hear me? I'm talking about super duper starving. and he making burgers, cheeseburgers. And I go down there. This is in the Bronx. I go down there. I say, you're my man. I'm starving. Can I have a burger? The man says, yo, man, these accounted for. I'm catering. I can't give you a burger. This, this, that, right? I said, let me ask you a question. I need you to be honest.

32:01He said, I'll be honest. I said if Jay-Z walked in a community center in Brooklyn and they were making a hundred burgers and he told them he was starving, would they give him a burger? The nigga looked me in the face and said, yeah, they would give him a burger. I said, all right, my brother. Kept it moving. Let me tell you something, man. These niggas ain't got no respect, man. They give him a train, they give him the burger. Yo, this shit crazy, my nigga. That nigga straight told me no to a burger. He hurt my feelings, though. I'll never ask him again, but he should have gave me a burger in the Bronx.

32:44You know, I do a lot for the community. Should have gave me a burger wherever he was at. It's only a burger. Niggas is tight with the burgers, man. I don't know a burger, man. Some Fat Joe shit. NBA draft. You don't pay attention. I saw the boozer. That's the only one I care about. Everybody's switching on. I saw the boozer. They're fake person. This is funny, shit. You ever been around people that change their voice around other people? Yeah. So you might be with a dude. We get around a bunch of white business dudes, and he starts talking like dumb. Yeah, so how you doing, Harry? Hey, Harry. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

33:29Huh? you switch up your shit no way two time a felon what else you two time a felon with them you Octavio Rodolfo but what you do about your hair you can't your shit nappy as fuck yeah he can switch from his voice to his hair as he's sick he can't switch his hair if you go upstairs to a beating you gotta throw some gel on your shit you see K looking like fucking F.O.I. right now. If Kate throw on a bow tie and a suit, he F.O.I., he good. You can't. You use Beyonce products. Man, you're full of shit. You're a professional. That kid is trying to catch the most endorsements off the scene that anybody ever caught in the world.

34:23That motherfucker two-timer fell and full of shit. How do you feel about that? Where people, not just white, I've been around people that you get around different circles and they start talking different. What you think of... You already know anybody that switches up anything is full of shit. You gotta talk different to different people. Yeah, J.J.! Fuck these motherfuckers! You're full of shit. Everybody. You talking like this now that you go upstairs and switch to Mr. Whittendale? What the fuck? Brazil! Brazil! They scored! They scored! Brazil scored! Brazil scored! It went crazy! That's right!

35:14Oh, you ain't pussy now, Rich. You ain't pussy now. Y 'all was there one. You ain't pussy now, huh? Oh, that's right. It's on Pete. The top five players is on Brazil? Japan, fuck out of here, yo. You know what I remembered, right? What I remembered, you know, it's a lot of history. You know, they doubt me, but I never forget, they came to my store and they gave me the tickets to the 1994 Source Awards. That's the shit with Snoop Gojo. Joe love us and Chug and also the ACL. where the South got something to say. Very memorable. I was there. I'll tell you two things. So they come to me, they give me Biggie's tickets for Biggie and them to go.

36:06I don't know why they gave it to us. I remember I went over there with Slow and we go to Biggie's house and we give him his tickets to go to the fucking sauce awards for the fucking thing. They gave it to me. I don't remember who. But I remember being in there And so I gasped my man. He used to live in Yonkers. He's locked up still, Frank. He had the first 500 wide body bends ever. And I kept asking him to bring it out for the award shit. And he used to live in Yonkers. Nang, when I tell you he brought it out and we crashed on the sawmill on the way down, that man, that man, what, it killed me.

36:49The first time he ever pulled it out. we on that highway, that sawmill. He crashed that shit. Yo, that nigga. He crashed it? He crashed it. He crashed it, but it was my fault. He kept saying, yo, fat boy, let's go on another whip. Like, let's not bring out the big boy, this and that. Kept like, oh, we got shit on, niggas. We got to bring this shit out, this, this, that. He wound up crashing that shit. And man, he was tight. But we was in there that day. And I remember when all that happened, we were super strapped, statute of limitations, but we were super strapped. And then they was just like, yo, Joe, they still in jail is what I'm trying to do.

37:28He was just dead. It was like, yo, what's up? What you want? I was like, nah, nah. You know, they can handle that. Fall back. Just chill. You know what I'm saying? And this sort of was, I was thinking about it, man. That was a legendary. You wasn't there yet, right? I was watching. It was 95? 95. You was watching at home. man that shit was crazy my man that shit was nuts when you came out of that Madison Square Garden cause it was the theater that post off it was so much it looked like the fucking Nick Parade there was so many niggas outside it was the craziest shit ever you know what I'm saying but it was what a time to be alive LaMelo Ball like what the fuck is All right, let me tell you something right now.

38:21If I was a Charlotte Hornet fan, I'd give them my tickets back. I'd give them my jersey. I'd give them everything. No, no, no. I'm telling you, I'd give them my shit back. I don't give a fuck. They've been waiting, suffering for so many years to finally get it. You know, I was watching them, Charlotte. Like every game on the package, every day, like they were the most exciting young team. How did they get rid of the stars of the young team? LaMelo bought the Timber. What the fuck they got? Like man, drop picks? They got Naj Reed. Naj Reed for LaMelo for the ball? Are you fucking crazy? I read some first round picks and somebody else.

39:19And they got rid of Bridges. I told them. Charlotte blew up the old team. Remember I thought Bridges played for Duke? But you was like, nah, he played for like the third. Michigan State. They got rid of Bridges? Yo, I mean, if you're a Charlotte Hornet fan and they do this, how do you feel? Con Caneple, Brandon Miller. And Nas Reed? so they went with that over LaMelo ball and bridges and all nah man huh so they went for the picks they want to rebuild they finally got poppin man you wore your PF flys yet from the coach I ain't wearing them shits you should have wore it to San Trope I'm getting them signed me too but I'm saying you didn't wear them you should have wore your shits to San Trope You tell me to wear PF flyers.

40:14I might have to wear them shits to the white party or something. The PF flyers. I don't wear them shits to the post office and put them in the box and shit. It closed the thing. Well, Alpine ain't got no post office, right? You got to wear the PF flyers over there where they just won't see you. It's the drop off. Yo, that shit crazy. You got to be fucking kidding. How was it in the parade, man? How you felt? It was the first place. It was awesome. first place I ever been at where all the rappers was on time I never seen that night yo that was an ill shit Mary J came to pick me up at 6 in the morning glammed up and everything hey bro 6 in the morning I said yo everybody out the motherfuckers want to in on that parade they just got up early that day fab he never on time I can't believe he was he's late to every show I got I didn't do the fab to you in cans I was late I was stuck in traffic and all that cause I said Dan didn't they gonna think I did the fab every time I got a show with fab he comes in late something happened he busts a hubcap I alien sighted anything for me to go off first I like going off first approaching him yeah let me get this guy this guy's in central pay right he's performing big yacht, big money people.

41:41And he tried. He threw his papi chula. I know he went the nice version. I wasn't there for a show, but I bring him up and I say, you dick, you pussy, you a neighbor. And you went up in there and ripped that shit down two, three times. Everybody's dead. You made him do the shit. You're like, yo, bring that shit back. You can't do that one time. You never done that one time. Have you ever done that someone one time that they don't, their technique don't pull that shit back? You got to pull it back. When I tell you I got so much admiration and respect for DJ Technician, every time I see him, I'm like, yo, Technique.

42:17He says, yo, Technician. His mother, I met his mother. I said, yo, Technique, man, what a hell of a guy. She said, his name's Technician. I said, mama, mama says she'd watch every episode. Technician's mom. I said, mama, you know. She do, mama. Mama says she watched Every episode, I said, mama, you know I'm fried. You watch the show like that? Every show, you know I'm crazy. I don't mean it like that, but technician, he got to bring that shit back. You dick, you pussy, y 'all neighbors. Right? Did you watch my recap of the verses? Yes, I did. You did. I actually watched that. I didn't never watch the whole verse, but I watched your recap.

43:01Let me explain something to you. When I'm telling you about the three guys that were sitting with me that they had tickets and then the Brooklyn guys tried to come throw them out and was like, yo, this is our seat. They was acting. That's Xander. Edgar Balanga. Xander and the Panamanian champion. If I ain't jump in, I saved these Brooklyn. These niggas, the hands, the boys with the court. It was Xander. That's it. It was Xander. Who Xander was that first? Edgar Balanga. I got it. And Panama, the fucking king of hands of Panama. They beat the brakes off the niggas in that place right there. I noticed it yesterday when I seen you come in with boots.

43:50I said, damn, just don't know Xander was there for him. That's hell, right? No Xander was at versus. I feel a little sad now. How about he was there before me? Them guys was there already, and I saved them. other guys from getting fucked up. I'm sad, man. Nah, don't be sad. You have boots. That guy's good. He's fucking tough, though. Anyway, he gonna come back. He be good. Be, uh... Would you... I think Jada would have. If you was a boxer, would you have taken that fight that he took with boots? Nah. I wouldn't have. You got to navigate... Nah, everybody know in the boxing world, you box... you do what's best for your career to get to the top without, with as least fucking discrepancies as possible.

44:42You don't just fight everybody that want to fight you. And then you learned that from Floyd. That was like, he waited years to fight people. We wanted to see him fight. Did they fucking show this without? Then he fought him. Then he killed him. Yeah. But for years you say, I want to see him fight him. He let you say what you want to say. I wasn't up on boots like that, but I was in the studio with Austin. He was like, he going to beat the brakes off you, man. I said, yo, you got to stop me. I said, Joe, I promise you. You know what hurt me? He beat them with Bottegas on. Those shits ain't the comfortable with shits.

45:19What, he had Bottegas sneakers on boots? What's that on the Bottegas that we got? He was fighting with Bottegas? He whipped them with Bottegas. I said, this thing is different, dog. He got all both hands with tank vibrations. Xander kept coming at him. Xander's crazy. And he can take, he got a hard A. Yeah, he can take a shot. But listen to what I'm saying. And boy, Boots was doing this. Boots is just nice. Boots is just nice. Yo, you don't see the punch coming. like I watched him he was throwing shit from like his dad and his brothers they got him that's in his family he family they been boxing yeah his dad is right in the ring it's like oh boy the kid the kid's real good too the young Mexican and he was listening to them what they was telling the young Mexican you hear them telling them shit man like this I forgot pretty good too that kid and the whole family I seen I seen yo the whole family was you know box legendary boxing That's Dennis DNA.

46:30In hip-hop, nothing new, huh? It's sad that a lot of y 'all asked us, who's the new guy? And we can't really... It's like, is it... Who's new? Can you give me a list of some new guys that's on fire out here? Who? Fergie.

46:52Who I've been watching lately is Grand Poobah's son. Every day he put a freestyle on. and he is killing. He's killing. Grand Poobah Sonny. Stunner gang. Stunner gang. He's very consistent. Sonny Dixon. Yeah, that's his son. Follow him. He's dead nice. Follow him on Instagram because he got something to say. What the do? Huh? Huh? I'm not in the game like that. Don't do that to me. I'm a podcaster. Dude, who fucking pump fake over here? I'm a fucking... Sign him. Hey, I'm a podcaster. Sign him to volume I'm a streamer dude They about to give you a record A label dude Podcasting I don't know shit about rap no more Go Brazil nigga I'm a podcaster Like you want me to sign a dude And then they mad at me They didn't blow up Volume record Sign him to the podcast deal A podcast record deal For the record I'm not volume Those are our partners I'm not by you you know Laurie I talked about ahead of time signed Carisha signed Young Miami now she's the hottest girl in the world good luck good buddies I try to tell you ahead of time we recommended Tony Ayo and Uncle Murda we said you recall they dropped the ball somebody dropped that one Let me tell you something.

48:28You know who dropped the ball way before this? I interviewed with Rock the Bells. My DJ for a radio show was supposed to be D-Nice before COVID. Because you know what? COVID, D-Nice took over COVID. And I'm over here doing my... We interviewed and we didn't get the job. Somebody's hanging themselves somewhere. Or somebody slit their own wrist somewhere. Because they could have signed Fat Joe. and fucking D-Nice. They both took off. I mean, like that young Miami, we was begging them to do the fucking, yo, do the podcast, Carisha. Now she's spending that shit. Good luck, Bobby. Good luck signing Carisha right now.

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51:56And I think it was like critiques of things I liked when I was like, you know, I was 23 and I wrote this book and it had all my like dorky little cheesy or maybe unrealistic loves in it. And I started to feel a lot of shame about those things. And so for the rest of my career, I steered away from those little things that like make you feel pleasure when you read. But I also was like saying no to these parts of myself that I then was like, screw it. So that's this book. Listen to Earsay, the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. If your best finance people are doing expense reports, chasing receipts, or spending time on month-end close, it's time to get Brex AF, a gentic finance that eliminates that work before it starts.

52:50Learn more at brex.com slash AF. You know what I listened to on the plane back, and it made me realize that, because I'm quick. Yo, what's your favorite? What's the greatest hip-hop album we bought on Illmatic? I'm like this quick. It just rolls off my tongue. Like, I'm just... What's up, you used of? Like, I know... What's your favorite? Illmatic is the best hip-hop. That's just to me. I listen to the chronic on the plane. And there's a serious debate of the chronic or like Illmatic. Like, I mean, this shit... he's like if you not down for the black man if you're not ready how many niggas is ready to move so what you gonna do oh Snoop Dogg doing yo bro that boy Daz they was they fucking asses off on that chronic and the production on it was fucking flawless bro they're frozen house like all that shit was like I was listening to it I say yo could this be the greatest album in hip hop ever cause it sure feels like that when you listen no James I take your medical over that every day every day I say it too yo I hear you that's crazy what me and Claude Kent used to argue all the time when you used to start arguing you got to be baited and it killed him on Instagram he used to say that Doggy style is better than Kronik.

54:35He said Doggy style. Ah, you know, it's a I gotta listen to Doggy style. I like that argument way better than Kronik better than O'Malley. I like that argument better. How do you mean? Let me explain to you. I've been in hip hop a long time. Not just as a fan. The way they put that shit together was light years ahead of time. That Kronik? man if you they got skits in there commercials look at the production on Illmatic all the producers I I I I I we're New Yorkers and we love real hip hop and we love Illmatic we have a west coast original in the house No, no. We love Illmatic and we're New Yorkers and me.

55:30It's my favorite album of all time. But when I tell you the production on The Chronic, I'm just telling everybody it's not top tier. I'm talking about greatest of all time. I'm not talking about top tier. I'm talking about it's a legitimate argument. If you go in there unbiased and forget the Nick Parade and all that and you just listen to both albums and the quality and division of ahead of time. They was doing this shit in 93, 92. It's a very serious debate. I'm telling you, it's a very serious debate. Of course, my favorite album of all time is Illmatic, but it's a serious one to have because it's flawless.

56:15And it's just so hard. You know, at that time I was going, you got a flow, yo. like it was it was primitive times it was premature and and they the production that just sounds like you ever I have a movie theater in my house James I didn't take you to my movie theater right I have a real movie theater that when it's so loud a can falls over there you hear the can go or when it rains you hear the rain hit the car like much just sonically. Am I lying? If a nigga get punched in the boxing match in my theater, we hear it. You know, like we hear the blood. It's so sonically. Why did I explain something?

57:06Because you're trying to explain the production value of the chronic. So when Lionsgate comes on and you see the stars and then you hear the lion go, rawr. that fucking Chronic album production sounds like here sound like boom bap you know the greatest of boom bap and when you listen to the Chronic it sound like they spent 300 million dollars on that production is what I'm trying to tell you is the quality on that album that's all I'm saying but here's the beauty of music right in general you're allowed to like whatever you like over other stuff, right? Like, it's all subjective. You got something?

57:50I love Illmatic. My whole life. It's still my favorite album. I feel like the media that you listen to also makes a difference because... The media and improv, we don't listen to nobody. You listen on vinyl and cassette, and you're not skipping anything. You've got all those skits on the chronic... I love those skits. There's a lot of skits that you might not want to listen to over and over again. And so if you're on record or tape, you might be fast forwarding or whatever. So a CD was perfect media for... Let me explain something to you. That is perfect. Let me... That's kind of true. But I love the skits.

58:26I love Wu-Tang skits more than anybody's skits. Yo, son, I'm here. I'm here. All them shits, the shit. Yo, bro, is he dead? Like, I like that. Like, I think hip-hop really lost out on that recently when you hear albums and there's no skits. I like skits it makes it more of a movie production it makes it big you see Little C's I love the dough he's like yo Brooklyn nigga they shooting I don't know I just feel like it tells a story I'm at the scene you know big pun jumps out the car and tells the dude yo Mikey you hustling nobody seen shit nobody seen shit like I love what do you think about the skits on albums you could do without I like skits I like mad rap I think it depends on who's doing them some people did them great like Ghostface had them on his last album he brought them back I would say Wu-Tang was one of the top groups to do skits they the greatest of skits Daylong Daylong got great skits too.

59:47Max Ace did albums that were like stories. Man, how crazy is that that they flipped the Master Ace beat and it's number one in the country right now, Urban. Minks in Miami, that's hot. I liked it. A friend of mine was like, yo, you believe that? I was like, yo, that record is hot. It's great to see French Martin Max B, finally. Let me tell you something. Max B need the peptides. You hear me? But Jada, you want to throw the flag? You need peptide? Can I say something? You're saying it. Come on. I didn't say anything. You stopping. I stopped you saying it. You already said you need peptide. Max B.

1:00:31Elaborate. Can I explain to you? Max B. came out of jail, and he ain't look or sound like Max B. since he came out of jail. he don't sound the same he don't look the same you ever seen anybody you ever 18 years you ain't gonna look the same when you go outside listen to what I'm saying you know anybody that did Trump for 18 years last night a plant a shirt let me say something I told you Nas looked it brand new last night he didn't go nowhere can I say something You got more money than 18 years. You're crazy. Sit anything in a box for 18 years and see how it looks. Can I finish my statement? What?

1:01:23Last night is the first time since Max B came home that he looked like fucking Max B. He was on stage at the BET award with the big fur. I said, shit, that's fucking Max B, nigga. like the nigga I seen 18 years ago before the box. Last night, I'm looking at TV and I'm like, holy shit. He looks like Max fucking B. I tell you, the night before he went to jail, I seen him with a fucking pilot's hat with like four white girls dancing in the middle of a hood club. He was a movie. Last night, he had this big ass fur hat. Sailor hat or pilot hat? Huh? A sailor hat or pilot hat? One of the two. I'm fried.

1:02:10It's a long time ago. It was one of the two. Not only did he just have the hat, he had like the blazer to go with it. Like he was flying the plane or some shit. Or sailor. I'm telling you, he wore that shit. Yo, Max B. Shout out to Max B. Last night is the first time I saw Max B. Since he came. Just me. I don't know. You know, Fat Joe Fried. We interviewed him. That wasn't him? that's not what I'm saying it is last night is the first time you saw Max B who did we interview Max C somebody had to tell Max B yo get on the peptides and lose weight or something or whatever the case get your shit right and I'm just saying last night is the first time I seen him look like himself prior to going to stop recommending peptides to people.

1:03:13Secret society shit. You can't just be promoting peptides. You might got a deal. How could you think everybody's on peptides? Smart ones are. I've seen some shit where French did an interview where he said he the richest guy out of New York. Top three. He's definitely not that. But I don't even know what that means.

1:03:41He said he got the back. French does have the back, guys. Legendary back. Top three. You know, you got what? 50 Cent. You got JC. You got Puff Daddy. You got a lot of people. You got people you don't know about. Yeah, you got people you don't even know about. And so what happens is, but you know, he's talking this shit. you know what we supposed to stop him he's talking his shit yo I'm the richest out of New York it is what it is I don't give a fuck this that I mean everybody's allowed to talk they shit you know but um he got a bag he ain't got that bag he got a bag that record that minks in Miami he said yo I could just go live in Dubai leave this shit alone no you know a song is words, right?

1:04:36I know that. No, no, no. No, no, no, I'm telling you. Life is the prince. I'm not counting nobody's money. I don't care what nobody has. I had money before a lot of people had money. I was broke when people had money. And none of that shit means anything. How about that? We all going to die. Somebody else going to spend your shit anyway. that is a fact. So you're doing all this working for somebody else, ain't he? That is a fact. Fuck, that's a hot look, guys. You're busting your ass for somebody else. You ain't lying. I know I'm not. But French definitely ain't got a bag. He got a bag. He got it.

1:05:23Yo, this ain't that. That ain't this. It's Crack and Kiss, goddammit.

1:05:32God damn it!

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