Fetty Wap talks ‘Zavier’ album, NEW chapter in career & music industry’s hard lessons

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2:42And like everybody looking at me crazy because I went to the Chinese store. Like I'm in there like, I was the four chicken wing fresh. You feel me? But it's just like, you know, certain people got this aspect of how they view me because they hear the songs, but they don't know where I'm from.

3:10Yeah, yeah, what up, y 'all? This is Joe Crack, the Don. It's your boy Jada. You know what it is, the Joe and Jada Show. every show legendary, every show iconic, crushing shit, pun intended. When you think of today's guests, you think of a motherfucking Billboard crusher. You think of melodies. You think of Patterson, New Jersey. You think of, even though we sponsored by 1800, 1738, the oldest man. Robin James, the oldest man. You think of several sold out, key words, sold out stadiums and arenas. You think of somebody that when you, usually when you come out and have such an impact, it's hard to hit another one out the park like my brother, Travis.

4:12You think of this guy, he's constantly smacking them out the park. You think of a great father. You think of somebody that was able to overcome adversity. You think of somebody that's able to, about to do it again. You know what I mean? Being on top is always beautiful, being at the top of the mountain. When you're able to fall off and get back to the top of the mountain, your special individual. Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for my brother, Fetty. Wow.

4:54Welcome to the Joe and Jada show. My brother was good. I'm easy on him, man. Easy style. You already know, man. No doubt. I see you in there working out, getting your mind right. I see you come on. He actually had a different and kind of come home. Like him, I put him and Max B in the top come home. Max B came French, waited for him. I don't know how much of a pause it is. It sounds like something. Come home? Off with? Release, yo. Your pause is garbage. Come home, man. No, come home. Come home. He had one of the best come homes, yo. My man, that's just crazy. You know why that's not a pause? Because your mother and my mother said it over$40 billion.

5:37time. Come on. I can never be a part. But his release, we're going to get our Harvard jargon up. His release from incarceration was one of the best and different and amazing that we've seen like Max B, where he actually went to see the lame. He went directly to the bag. Let me out. Let me go talk to these people. See how we're going to get back to the bread. You know what I mean? Man, let me ask you something, man, so you go to jail, right? I don't know. I didn't say nothing. My head was top. What happens with Fetty Watt, who has four number one hits? I'm not talking about Urban. I'm talking about number one out the park, Cyndi Lauper, Fetty Watt, right?

6:31You name it. Four in a row, right? In your worst day, in a crackhead day, I used to tell Remy this all the time. I said, you know, Remy and I crackhead day, we'll get$5 ,000 a piece to perform forever. We do four, we make$20 ,000. You in your worst day for four number ones, in your worst, in the crackhead day, it'll be$20 ,000 a show. You got four number ones. You do four or five of them a month, that's$100 ,000. That's a principal salary of a year. This is in the worst, in his worst. No, this is crackhead. I could not understand for the life of me, how do you get into this trouble? Could you break that down to us?

7:13Why did that happen? What put you in that position? I mean, it's real simple, though. It's simple. As far as how it happened, how I got to that point, just doing too much with people. Like the saying goes, I kept pouring out an empty cup. You know what I'm saying? Even though I kept filling the cup back up, it kept running empty. until I could not fill a cup of them. You know what I'm saying? At a certain point, it was like, you know what, like, I'm doing more than I can handle by myself. Feel me? Like, I had to fire the management. I had to, I was just doing everything by myself. You know what I'm saying?

7:48Like, when it was coming, like, the book shows, like, I remember a couple, a few times people was reaching out to me through the DM, like, yo, we've been handing up your manager. I don't have a manager. You know what I mean? And I'm like, yeah, talk to me directly. So I got all these people calling me. I'm not knowing how to handle all this by myself. And I'm really booking every show by myself. So now I'm trying to figure out how to do it. I got to figure out how to do like the W-9s and all this type of thing like that. And I don't know nothing. I'm like, Noah, like it's too much for me. So it's like the only thing I know how to do other than music was hustle.

8:23So I'm like, I still got to feed the family. I still got to feed the kids. And it was like, instead of me moving away from the pride and just asking for help, You know, I'm like, I'm just doing it by myself like I've been doing. So when it came down to it, you know, certain things happened. Certain people got caught up. My name got brought up and this will happen. It's always going to happen. Yeah. In hip hop, people don't understand. Like, I try to tell them all the time, you in a club? No, I just told you about me getting arrested. I didn't even finish that story with Reby. I got arrested for no reason.

8:59They beat this guy up. They locked me up. Yo, Fat Joe robbed them, this and this and that. That shit happened to me about 10 times. They was coming up to me, I'm rich. And they would say, yeah, you robbed them for the skinniest chain never created. I'm like, yo, bro, this shit don't even make sense. You coming to my album release signing to lock me up, talking about I stuck a guy up for a$300 chain. All right. So the point is, you're used to a lifestyle. You out there, you're making a bunch of money, but you're spending a bunch of money and it got overwhelming to the point of where you was like, you was used to that money.

9:36So you said, yo, let me go hustle and get that type of money right there. Right? So now, the new Fetty Bop that came home, you know, you got to adjust. That's the fact. So there's some times where we doing great with a family. I tell the wife, yo, go get the Birkin. Go get the this. Go get the that. Then there's times she got to sip through a straw. And instead of noble, you got to go to the diner. I've had those times in my life where I got to adjust to say, all right, shit is slow right now. Let's start eating some diner food. Toss shit, get back up. These are like the adjustments you got to make throughout your career.

10:18Because in this career, shit is not guaranteed. But there is something guaranteed. You have four hits. you're a generational artist, there's people who grew up and started rapping just singing and rapping because of you there's people who looked up to you, I feel like you birthed the whole genre of music I want you to know yo, it ain't so bad 20 ,000 a show or something like that, if you get four of them a month five of them a month, I've been there before you know when I got caught with taxes, they took all my money millions of dollars and niggas just playing with. The same guys who spanned me$50 ,000 a show, they're like, yo, how many times you think people want to hear Lean Back?

11:03I got$12 ,000. Huh? Romania,$12 ,000? Shit. Bangladesh? Yo, we got$12 ,000. Same guy been paying me$50 ,000 for 18 years. They play with you like that. But I had to say, all right, until I get another one, it ain't go off crazy, and I get back, and I got them all back. So when All the Way Up came out, I got them all back. I wouldn't even take their show. You know, Joe, we want to book the show. I'm like, you, sir, cannot book the show unless, guess what, guys? I'm charging$100 ,000. You pay$175 ,000 to$200 ,000 on purpose. No, that's not fair, Joe. That's what it is for you. You played with me.

11:46You was booking me for$12 ,000 in the slums of Shaolin. You know, they played with me. I got them all back. thank God, but you have to realize that, you know, I guess you did. How many years you did? And I seen you was in real jail. Wasn't it fake jail? Yeah, but he was in real jail. There's guys who go to fake jails, guys. Like, there's like, what are y 'all talking about? My man Booshy just pulled out a PC shit or something like this. The guy's fake jails. I don't mean they was... All jails is real. Whenever you go inside the jail is on you, baby. I know no of a fake jail. I've seen you in real jail.

12:29Tyler Perry. Nice guy. You know what's your fake jail? Jail is real, dog. I know guys. They call me from jail with cell phone, with champagne. Oh, you're talking about where Jacob the Jewel went. There's shit like that. Martha Stewart. You wasn't in that. You was in jail. And people don't realize how difficult it is to go in there as a rap star. What are you feeling when you're walking in them gates? I mean, you know, I started off in Brooklyn. I was at MDC. So I was at home. So you started your time there. You checked in MDC. No, I ain't checking nowhere. No, I ain't saying like you gave. Tell him, Wap.

13:18You know what I'm saying? Oh, so they locked you up, and then you was there, and you was fighting your case at an end. Yeah. Oh, OK. Me, I had to get myself in. Like, OK, come do your time. Yeah, no, they came. You, they came and got you, so you stuck there. Yeah. Right? You got a chopper in there. You was in there when the chopper was in there. No, chopper was in, chopper was in, they had him like a special thing. For Antoine LeMoebe. Yeah, I was in 43. I was in 43, 29. Chopper, I was in the main. I was in Gen Pop. Yeah, that's what you spoke to, man. Fuck all that. You'd have made the PC list, man.

13:51Bootsie pulled out the PC list, man. You'd get exposed, you know. What was that like adjusting, you know? What was that like, you know, going to jail and adjusting and you walk into the new jail, yo, Fetty Wap, what's up, this, this, that? Like, the fair's a little bit different. So you kind of, like, you kind of gravitate to your hood, like, so you, like, you know, whatever, whatever. You was in the Jersey car. Yeah, like once people seem like, oh, no, he just a regular, like he broke from the hood. Like he one of us. Like, you know what I mean? Like I ain't going there on some like, yo, I'm this, this me, woo, woo, woo.

14:29I'm yo, all right. Who got what for sale? Let me get that. Let me get this. Let me get that. You got how much you got in your locker. Let me get that. You need something on your comments every list. I'm going to put some money over there, send me your cash out. Like I just went in there moving around. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, I just, you just, you ain't got no choice but to adapt to it. Yeah. Either that or just go to PC. I seen you on a heavy workout tip. Yeah, I was doing my thing. You came home probably. Boy, you had that. Just came home. Diddy bop, huh? I was mad little when I went in.

15:02Yeah. Yeah, I was mad little when I went in. But you was in there. You know, I told him outside, I said, yo, some guys go in there, they get fat. Yeah. How do you go to jail and get fat when everybody works out? Some people ain't got that motivation. You get fat in the world. Is this... Is it... Not true. It's not true. No, not really. It's not true because when you wake up in jail, the whole jail's working out. Like, there's no way to avoid it. Hey, basketball's here. Ways is here. Like, bro, for you to sit there for four years just eating your face out, you know, like, you got to be a lazy motherfucker.

15:39But some people can't come out they sail, though. You know, you got the head of the Muslim car. He won't allow you to do nothing in the jail. like you can't get no money you can't move around if you want to take your shit out you want to come over sit in your cell they can't go nowhere so you know what I mean like cause you really you did this for protection you ain't did this because you believe in Allah you know what I'm saying it be like that it be a lot of them in there so like it be them type of motherfuckers that can't come out they cell we gonna protect you keep reading and shit like that yeah you feel me like they gotta do like the cleaning they be cleaning like right there on the table I had Hong Kong, Mongolia wipe my shit while I was gone.

16:18Big motherfucker. Yo, wipe the shit down. I want that shit spotless, man. Yeah, but they, I mean, but you know, they still stand on business, though. Like, as far as, like, the real right ones. Like, they still stand. They not, just because I say that, because, you know, some people that's on the outside that have never been to jail might have something to say about that. They don't understand. You know what I'm saying? Like, jail definitely made me realize, like, you know what I'm saying? Everything I was doing. like everything I was doing wrong about myself, for the family, for the kids. You know what I mean?

16:47Like I got a chance to sit back and reflect on everything I was doing. Like I'm going in there thinking like, man, I just spent this money on. I remember I brought a bro this, I brought a bro this, I brought a bro this. And I'm like, I'm like, I only did this for my daughter. I only did this for my son on their birthdays or whenever I was with him. It was never just, I'm outside, let me just bother him. You know what I mean? Like no ignorance shit like that, you feel me? Like that I was doing when I was younger. and now it was like, it just made me realize, like, you know what, like, this time when you come home, you know what I mean, you owe them that time back.

17:17I mean, you owe them that time back the same way you were spursing on the guys and everybody robbing Gene Dahl, like, he's like, you know, all that type of shit. Like, you know what I mean, let's take the babies. Let's go get some Chanel purses for the girls, for my daughters. Did a lot of guys disappoint you when they did your time? Of course. You thought they would write you a letter or something like that? Of course they did. I had one of my guys, one of the most realest guys in the world. He catch a murder case. All these guys you used to think he was cool with, none of them showed up to court.

17:49None of them came around. Nobody visited him. Nobody this and this and that. By a miracle of God, he beat the murder case. He came out. He's hanging out with all these dudes. I'm like, you're my man. You're lying to yourself. They already proved to you. God put you in a position so they could prove to you if they real family, if they real friends or not. what my man said who was that was that George Bush fooled me once huh shame on me fooled me twice you know in my life I learned to not forgive those guys it took me three times I went rich broke rich broke rich till I finally saved that was four that was four no that was three but it took me a long time to you just learn from my experience.

18:41Those guys, they're no good. They're never going to turn around and be good. They're never going to be loyal. You're wasting your time. That's a fact. Nah. Get out. New music. How was it in there? Was you able to think of songs? Was you able to think of shit? Because everybody I know, I can't think of nothing. I didn't even... My mind wasn't even on music while I was in. Yeah, I was in the whole... I was in the shoot for six and a half months. I was in the shoot for six and a half months, and that's when everything started coming Like that's when I really had that sit back time. Like that's really around the time where it's crazy because my first two years in, I was so like, how I could put this shit?

19:22Like I was so much on go time with the gods. I wasn't even like thinking about music. Like when five o 'clock come, once you hear that door unlock, tie your boots. Like it's none of that. Like you don't have that luxury to just, like I said, unless you go to a different section of the jail. You feel me? So once you start coming down the levels, it was like, all right, whatever. And then as soon as I got to a good jail where I could chill with the champagne and all that like that, they locked me right back. I didn't even make it there 20 days. That's when they sent you home? No, they sent me to the shoot.

19:59Locked them back up. Yeah. So I got to a camp. I got there. I was there for 20 days. They tried to say I escaped the camp. let me say I beat it though so yeah I beat it but they still set me in there like alright look you got you got too much influence you got too like you know what I mean like I hate that yeah and that's how they that's how they get us like that's how especially like I guess that's how they get us like I hate that cause they they hating on you and they setting examples on you yeah just cause of who your name is yeah and it ain't you as a person and they don't necessarily mean that you're like that.

20:38Or they play that game with everybody. Like Remy, she was in parole, right, on TV with a family, number one song in America, this. They would not let her go do a show. And these bum-ass parole officers just like, ah, no, this. And she's on, like, you see she's trying to change her life. she's trying to be a boss she's trying to this she's on a TV show this that they fronted on her for like I think what was it she had like three years of parole I went with her when they had they had her ankle bracelet on her three years later like you know it was incredible bro they were just abusing the power so you came home is it a new style Fetty Wap or is it the classical Fetty Wap you finish talking about jail because I'm going to start asking about the album.

21:37Okay. You don't want me to ask about the Ratsy. The 1800 Jaden Kiss. God. He talking about the new time. He's on Bottle 1800. How you pronounce it? Xavier? Xavier. Xavier. No, Xavier. Like Xavier. Yeah, but Xavier. Take the X out and put it to Z. What was it? Hey, y 'all, my man. Yo, Penny Bob. What was that? How you come up with that? Xavier? Yeah, Zipin. So that's like, um, that's like my alter ego. So like when I started doing music before, like, I, um, I used to do this thing like Zuvir, like a lot of my oldest songs, like, and it really came from like, like Gucci used to be on like Gucci Mane La Flair.

22:23So I'm like, I can't say Fetty Wap La Flair. Like I was like, Zuvir, like everybody called me Zoo. I mean, so it was like, it just put it together. so there's like at one point I was I was changing my name anyway so that was my name Xavier I get it you know what I'm saying that's fine I get it what's the sound the sound right yeah I'm curious what are you doing some new type shit are you doing Fetty Wap that's a little mixture of both you know it's just a more mature version of me that's sort of like a more mature version like I'm still me just just you know I got a few different pops in there.

23:04You know what I'm saying? Let me tell you something. I'll tell you in your face, man. I've always been a fan of you. I've always thought you was a great person. I know you're going to come with a hit record. And if you don't, you're talking to a guy that's been around 30-something years. You got four number ones. You get yourself a book up. I know. You get, all right. I'm just telling you the truth. What I'm saying is facts. And I respect that, though. You know what I'm saying? You get your money how it come. Either you're going to make a ton of money, you know, when y 'all looking for the hit record to make a ton of money, or we take that slow good money, which is better than a lot, 99 % of America's money.

23:48No, I got a good team behind me now. Like, I got a great team behind me. Yeah, I see you got about 76 people with you over here. No, no, no. You even got white people in the entourage. Yeah, well, I'm doing like a documentary. Yeah, I'm doing a documentary. What's the documentary called? Where is it coming out? I don't know. You don't know yet? It's getting that footage, it's getting that content. So it's just like, no, I'm just taking this, I'm taking my craft serious this time. I mean, like, I already, I did what I did outside of it. I mean, nobody can't take that from me. I did my time, I stood on my tent, nobody can't take that from me.

24:26So it's like, all right, now do something for Fetty. I mean, like the same way I was confident and going to grab the MN and hitting the kitchen and going outside, I had that confidence level like this is what I'll do. Like, I mean, like I know I can make this. I got that same confidence with the music. So that's how I'm on it. I don't know how crazy that was. I don't think you even understand how crazy that was. No, I didn't. Yo. Because I don't look at myself like everybody else look at me. That's always been my problem. Me as a person, I remember one time we had came to own, bro had invited me to his hub.

25:04We came out there to Yonkers. And everybody looking at me crazy because I went to the Chinese store. I've been there like, four chicken wing fresh. But it's just like, certain people got this aspect of how they view me because they hear the songs, but they don't know where I'm from.

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