French Montana & Max B on 'Coke Wave 3.5: Narcos,' Max's prison stories & "All The Way Up"

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32:15What the fuck does that mean, man? It's shooting, nigga. It's shooting. Morocco ain't all right. It's shooting, nigga. Yeah, but hold up. Morocco is a... Let me tell you something. I go to Makadesh. This is the time I met the little man. It's Marrakesh, man. Marrakesh. But you know, fast, yo. Yo, French. Yo, French, I fuck everything up. I'm fried. But listen, I get in the car. They booked me to do a show. And they drive into the desert for like two hours straight. And they talking Arabic. And I said, that's it. the Taliban I got set up I thought it was the tally I thought it was the Taliban my nigga like they just talking two hours French in Machinesh into the desert like I'm really seeing fucking camels and all that it's nothing nothing not a gas station nothing I'm driving in for two days and then you gotta know this place they pull up in this shit like an oasis they got villas there and I'm like thank Thank God.

33:16I walk up in that bitch, they're like, you got the biggest fill of Fat Joe, this, this, this. I was like, yo, what the fuck? For sure, I was kidnapped. Yeah. I'm looking out the window, I'm like, damn, man, he ain't gonna put me on the screen, Fat Joe. I'm done, nigga. They about to chop my shit off. No, Marrakech got a lot of desert. You been to that place when I'm talking about, right? Like, it's like in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, it's like a hotel in the middle of the desert. A hotel in the middle of nowhere. Oasis. It is an OAC. Yeah, I forgot the name, but I know what you're talking about.

33:46How's your brother, man? Oh, he good. Yeah, yeah. Shout out to Zach. Free to count. My boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You could probably get the princess to get him a diplomatic immunity shit. We trying. We trying. Yeah, we trying every way. Did Sean just get that on? Man, Sean did. He's almost like you. He's almost like you. You came home and you got right to a shot. You know, Sean was a set of Jew. Yeah. He did it all. He made sure he was getting back in the ass. That shit was impossible. He came back. That came back. He used to be like his third time. Who, Sean? Zach. Oh, yeah. Threw my nigga out the country about three times over there.

34:27Exiled my nigga. But he's back. But he good over there. When he want to have big fun, he go to Dubai then, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He can still go. He can go to Europe, Dubai, shit like that. Hell yeah. You know, you're in Paris fashion week. Morocco better than being in jail. That's what I tell him all the time. That is. Way better than me. Joe, I told Max, right before you got here, you're our first late customer. Oh, how bad. First ever. I really thought you was on Rap Hours. I was like, you're just telling me 12 because then I'll be two hours late. That's your new setting, French. My bad.

34:58It's a family show, man. Oh, my bad. I'm a target. It's a family show. I know y 'all my two favorite people in the world. No, no, no. We been doing good, man. This nigga been up. We're not here. But listen to what I'm saying, right? I tell Max. Yeah, Max. Max come out what they call it ain't courtside what's the shit when you on the field sidelines sidelines on that old field I don't know football like that I met Shador Shador Shador you come right out of jail when you on the sidelines LV that don't forget that the Instagram going crazy the point is you had a hell of two months the hype around him is almost like where 50 said just had the mixtapes and it was like, all right, let's hear his single because that's what they want, Max.

35:46I'm telling you, you beyond talented. You got it to put it out. Nobody got flows like you. Nobody rapped flow like you. You crazy. I'm telling you, as a hip-hop fan, I done heard your music, the flows, the melodies, the this, this, that. But if you come with that, go shorty. It's your birthday. When you come with one of those, you'll be walking in the Louis Vuitton Paris runway that's how big you know right now it's great moms and pops everybody taking care of you they getting you to the bag but you got a silver surfer bag if you put it out the park if we come with one of them African joints we might have one we might have one we might have one huh but you know what's one it's a lot it's a lot in store Yeah, we got a lot of music.

36:40My first 30 days out, I gave him a 20 plus, 24 song mixtape my first day out. That's crazy. I didn't have no hours in the day. And got my kids with me every day. Wife every day. Still went in there and gave niggas an urge. And we got another one coming out with 22 joints on it. So slow. Now, the joint me and bro did, you go ahead and just do this. And y 'all gonna go back to the first shit I did And it's going to do that again. I'm not worried about that. There's new shit about the dog the streets. I'm just predicting a dog out. Straight dog in the fuck out. Top to bottom, dog out. Music, singles, videos, the rollout.

37:24Boom. Soon as y 'all think it's over, I'm going to come smack y 'all with a million dollar baby. Dog, y 'all niggas the fuck out there. Then we got another wave guard album dropping. Then I'm doing another mixtape. Don Snow. so it's a lot in store I never stop I have unlimited classic wave

37:47because you know what Max B he a guard in the streets of New York especially Harlem shout out to my nephew Beanie and all I see y 'all playing this shit day and night there's a global interest in Max B and so that's what I'm trying to say is if you pull one out the park it's a different bag. I'll be telling them every day. Now you got that hard drive with them joints. You got to show me how to do that. I'll be telling them. I'll be telling them. Listen, you got that. But listen, when Flojo came out, I was getting$500 a show. It was number one in America. It was crazy. And I was going to Connecticut, Boston, Jersey.

38:30The next day is Yonkers. What year was that? In your D.C. That was in 93. It was no money in the rap game. We're the number one. Damn, that's crazy. No money. The money's out there now, big. In another way. They'll paint you in silver, and you'll be on a surfboard going through Madison Square Garden on a fucking silver surf on that bitch. This is a different type of them reggae tone niggas. They hit one, and they getting a half a million to show one song. Yeah. You know? And I'm trying to figure out, French, what is it? Velvet? Them pants right there? Yeah, Lisa. The boy got his own money. Yeah, it's velvet.

39:07New Buck. I don't think New Buck. No, they're velvet. New Buck can be too heavy. I'll tell you about the Bronx. Yo, the Bronx, we don't know how to act, bitch. Nah, no. You give a Bronx person some money. You see how Cardi B become a shitting boat taker, trenches to the fucking ankle with the boots to match with the thing. You give a Bronx dude some money, yo, girl, they don't know how to act. Tell you. That boy French coming in here, this shit looking like fucking exotic emeralds and shit. They just killed the fur. We got to get that hit, Max. We get that hit. Crack. Crack know all about them hits.

39:45I told you I surrendered. It's funny. You know, you told me out there I surrender. And what's crazy is last night I was sleeping. I sleep with the TV on. And I turn and I see literally. You too, bro. Literally, it got to be millions, millions of white people jumping up and down, singing the words. And I look, I don't know who the fuck these guys are. It's a rock group. So I look at the shit. I say, what the fuck? He was a million people. And they all were singing, going crazy. And then the hook come. And the name of the hook was I Surrender. It's the Food Fighters. Crazy. And it was called I Surrender.

40:30there. He told me today, yo, I surrender. I said, yo, that might beat you. You got to tap into that. However that makes you feel. I didn't make it one way. I could never go in there. What is the process? That's probably the weakest part of my game. To go in there and say, yo, listen to a beat that I don't do, but you'll go in there and be some producer. They'll be like, yo, do this record right here. And it'll be a hit record. I might not like the track, though. If I can't die with the track, I'm not going to do shit. I did it. I sold out. I know. This is why I'm trying to say this. I made it number one that I can't stand.

41:10The white people love it. It went number one. That's the decision we got to make. You want to sing that same record over and over? That's how I was looking at it. I did it. I'm ready to sing the record. We mechanically sold out. I'm ready to sing the record. We said, all right, we need a beat that sounds like this. We need to get the homie on this hook. We need to rap like this. And the shit really went number one. We made a number one that wasn't from the heart. Lean Back was a mixtape song that just went number one. I don't give a fuck about your thoughts and this happened. That went organic.

41:52But I made the number one that I'm disgusted and I know what you said because every time I hear it and they want to hear it, the white people. You'd be like, ah, but you got it. Shit went number one. You was independent when you made Leanback? No, I was independent make it rain. So you know what happened to me is a famous story. So I'm in Atlantic Records and I'm selling two million brackets and I'm the big, they had a poster of me. Six floors. I had the orange leather shirt. I had the lion medallion and I woke up in there every day. so cocky, put out an album and shit flopped. They took off that poster so fast.

42:32And they threw a T.I. join up. This is the new guy, T.I. I'm like, yo, this major label shit is disgusting, bro. Right now, at that time, going independent, they were giving you$7 a CD. I sold a half a million, they calling me a failure. Still a half a million people went to the store and bought that shit. And I said, you know what? If I get$7 for a half a million, I make three and a half million. It's more than the$500 ,000 or the million dollars they're giving me to do the whole album. So I go back the next day. I say, yo, I don't know if y 'all know. I started out digging in the crates. I'm going back to my underground.

43:18You ain't got to worry about me. You'll never hear from Fat Noah Kid. I'm never making a hit again. I'm done. Make it rain. four million records on the masses with the fucking Independent. The money was coming so much. French, I'm kicking it safe in the clothes to shit. I'd be like throwing my wife just bundles of money. Like, go spend. Go shop. This shit crazy. I'm like, yo, I can't close the safe. It was ringtones. When the ringtone shit first came out, that shit went four million on them. I know they wanted to commit suicide when I left it. It was make it rain. Four million sold. That's crazy.

43:56Independent. I've been independent ever since. We win every time. You know, these record labels ain't nothing but a bank. But they make you believe a hit won't go without them, though. It's a lie. Yeah. All the Way Up went. Yeah. We just got a new commercial, ESPN, 10 years later, ESPN, ABC. I'm All the Way Up. Yeah, I ain't going to lie. The story about All the Way Up is crazy. Oh, I want to hear the story about All the Way Up. Get out. Let me hear it. French is on the only way up. Get ahead. Let me hear it. Nah, nah. Hold on, kids. Now kids come back. I'm going to tell them a story. So I'm just sitting back in the crib.

44:32Crack hit me out of nowhere. Like, yo, come by Cool and Dre's studio. I got this joint. It's out of here. This is the one. I go to the studio. We knock it out. I'm not thinking none of it. The shit come out. Take off. Boom. We doing shows. Even Drake hit me. I was telling you. Boy, hit me like, yo, I need a verse on that. Drake faced me three times. Yeah, look, I need a verse on that. So it was one of them. One time he and Crack doing a big-ass show. That's how I know he was a real one. I'm like, yo, Crack, I never really told you, but I checked with my lawyer. He told me I ain't get no publishing on that song.

45:05I had zero publishing on the song. I said, yo, Crack, I know you're not running business like that. He was like, French, what you want me to do? I said, when I did the song with you, I was like, my brother got me. I ain't got to worry about nothing. Crack was like, you know what? He called his lawyer right on the spot. And he was like, you know what, French here. I forgot what you gave me. 10%. But the thing is. I think it was five. It was five. No, it was 10%. It was five. It was five. It was five. That's after the fact. Right? Nah. No, 10%. You fucking got 10%. What? Well, you didn't. You did not.

45:43But you did that, though. Of course. You did that, though. No, you did that. You did that. What happened to me, and that's after the paperwork. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He went back and changed it. when he's moving, this, this, that. He come and sit next to me. We had a war show. He said, but you forgot how you told me. I told you. You said, yo, Craig, you know it was that million dollar voice that made that shit dope. He said, I look at French. I said, why? He was like, yo, I put that million dollar gloss on that bitch. I said, all right, let's call a lawyer now. It's unacceptable. You know, with me, I don't feel good if my people don't make money with me.

46:23You knew JR, rest in peace. JR Ryder's changed my whole life. He's a billionaire. I was with every day for five years. Yeah. Right? And he taught me everything about business. And the biggest thing he taught me is that everybody got to eat. You go to my stores, the managers... The seminars you used to do? Yes, the seminars, Market America. But JR's a billionaire, a genius. He made sure everybody made money. And then he was good. What record label is that? It's the same thing. When Remy came home, you know, it was a struggle. Me and her. Me and Rem was struggling, right? So I sit down in the car and said, listen, let me tell you something.

47:03I know I'm hallucinating, guys. Don't get mad at me in podcast world. But I told her, yo, me and you, we like Dr. Dre and Snoop. If we hit one out the park, we out of here. Before leaning back? No, it's after leaning back. If leaning back. Was in Instagram era? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. It's a different type of animal. Old ladies would have been doing all that. It's beyond. We'd have been buying Yankee Stadium.

47:38Imagine all the girls on Instagram right now. She was a model for a year and a half. And if she got it, that shit would go down her ass. Man. man. TikTok, you got me broke. What? Y 'all knew them joints was the ones? Every one of them joints y 'all put out, y 'all knew it was the ones? I knew everything. Ooh. You knew everything. For real though, it wasn't one that you was like, I don't know. The one real thing the record label ever taught me, Craig Common, he said, yo, you're not Beyonce. He said, you can't put out two, three songs and hits. He says, if it hits, we'll get another video. We'll get another song, will put the bag behind it.

48:19So he taught me that I got to get a hit every time. So I was thinking like a program director. Bro, I used to go to South Carolina and watch little kids running across the grass and all that and play those songs there and say, if these kids can hear this on a Sunday, this shit out of here. And that's how I would pick a hit every single time. Right. And so I train myself to pick a hit. That's what you saying you don't do. You just go in there naturally, do songs, and then if it go, it go. You know, I heard a lot of artists say that. I just treat them like I don't try to make a hit. That's not what I'm going with.

49:01I just go with a good joke. And if it happened, it happened. It would take a nigga to come in there like, oh, he come in and go, that's the one, that's some shit. or he'll come play some shit all the time. Like the shit we just did. We shot the video before last night. We got Death on the Bitch coming out. That's some shit. You know, shout out Booby the Boxer. That's how I'm Yeah, shout out to Booby, yeah. Pun's cousin. Yeah. You and Booby was super tight. Crazy. Pun used to come and play us the album on 183rd right by the basketball court. I remember when Pun used to pull up with his Benz. He used to have the custom-made seat.

49:41He used to come in and just put that Capital Punishment on. And it was even before Capital Punishment when he came out with the mixtape that y 'all dropped before that with the cassette tape. It was like the six joints on there. Well, you've been around, French. You know why I say that is because Pun would drive to Miami and play DJ Khaled his album. Yeah. Or his songs. He would go all the way to Miami. He trusted Khaled's ear before all of us. Crazy. And I played all the way up for Khaled. Mm-hmm. And Khaled sat in the speaker and I said, yo, this the one. He was like, I really don't know. I said, motherfucker, get the fuck out the studio, nigga.

50:18I'm putting the bag up. I'm independent. This shit is the one. Just before that, I was fucked up. I did like four months in the Fed. They took all my money, millions of dollars. Imagine you looking at your bank for 10, 15 years and you caked the fuck up. And one day you looked and that shit down like this. They took all my money, penalties, this, this, that. And I already paid the accountant the fucking money. At least you was still in the game. Oh, no. I came home like you in a different way. There wasn't no people there. There wasn't no football field. No, none of that shit. I went right to Cool and Dre's studio.

50:56And Dre told me, yo, we going to work. And I'm sitting up in there. And they got the little niggas with the pink hair and the red. It was that time. Party like a rock star. And little pumps and all on. And they up in there. They looking at me like, what the fuck this old nigga doing in the studio? Yeah. He was getting one. And I said, man. Like you always do. Get one. I think I was talking about your leg too much. I fucked my leg up. We now have the Euro step. Oh, shit, it's Euro. Let me tell you something, man. And super pause. I'll throw it right now, but I'm a little light on my ass. I'm 230 right now.

51:32You look good. I'm 230. Let me get 25. Let me get 25.

51:40I feel magnificent. I was just watching the interview with you, interviewing Big Al. I had it. Crazy. So I said, about two weeks before I came out, they had the throwback joints on. They played, got a flow joke. You had that big army on. That's that army. That was that shit. You had the big surrey on. Nah, motherfucker ain't playing with him like that. You know, I'm trying to stick around. Yo, friend, what's up with AFCON? How was that? What was that like? I ain't never do nothing that big in Morocco since I left Morocco when I was 13. So it was kind of like of a moment. You know what I'm saying?

52:15I went there. It's like 2 billion people. Shit. 2 billion? Yeah, 2 billion viewers. Oh, views. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there was like 70 ,000. Yeah. Yeah, like 70 ,000 and 2 billion wives. That was not like it was me biggest. You gave me. I could move to Morocco and live forever. Yeah. For free. Off of your strength. I got on a plane to Royal, what's it called? What's the airline? Royal Morocco. Pilot came out. Youse with French Montana. That's the dress I am. Boy, the motherfuckers blew that bitch so smooth over there. That shit land so smooth over there, Morocco. Man, and they got the mans. I'll let you finish it.

52:54The man go like that, huh? For hours and shit. You eating in the restaurant. He's spinning some shit. Right? The guy with the... What is that called? Nah, I never seen that one. You never seen that? What is that? There's a guy. No, yeah. Dizzy, like, there's a guy, he got the fucking string on his head with the, like... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They be playing the shit. No, they go like this for hours. You be like, oh, is this the dude Dizzy yet? Yeah. You eating all type of fucking mama ganoush and all type of shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then keep going like this. You got... He got a tough job. Yeah, he got the string.

53:28He keeps saying that job. He got the string. He just keep that shit moving. Yeah, it's tradition. Yeah. Oh. Yeah, so... It was the opening game, Morocco. Red One had hit me. He the producer of all the music over there. He was like, he had DeVito. One got that. Yeah, yeah. So Red One, he runs all. You know, because he Moroccan. So the king let him run. I always thought he was Jamaican. Nah. He produced Jamaican songs. Yeah, he produced Jamaican songs, but he Moroccan. He did all the Lady Gaga music. Yeah, so the king grabbed him to do all the music for the African Cup. And he just hit me like a week before the joint.

54:02He was like, yo, I got the biggest single. Come hop on it. Come perform. We want you to perform. So I went there. The king came to watch it. It was like a moment. I took Mom Dukes over there, and it was just like, you know, it was a big moment. Never been a more famous Moroccan ever, right? I mean, in a humble way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now that I think of. I mean, there is that went to Europe, like different parts of the world. But as far as like the mecca of music, that's somebody that came here and did not. I got to take an old man piss. Morocco is playing Brazil for the World Cup. Yeah, that's crazy.

54:35and Jersey. They probably going to call you. Yeah, I got to go. That's big. Morocco was never this big in soccer until like the past couple years. Soccer was never this big overseas. Like I think soccer's always huge. They call it football over there. I think the sports market in general broadened all of it. Every sport. You got female basketball, yeah, all that shit. Niggas watch everything that they've ever watched. Yeah. The TV deals, the commercial deals. I think when Morocco committed to the semifinals in the World Cup. I think it was a moment where everybody was like, you know what? You're getting on board.

55:10Yeah, we belong here. Even like the low market teams got like, they stadiums be lit. It is lit. You know what I'm saying? It sold out. It ain't like it used to be. Remember you used to watch certain teams, you know them shit. You watch like Atlanta games. Yeah, nobody. You ain't see nobody either. She like, yeah, that shit look like it's lit. It's a market for everything. Yeah. You right about that. A lot of arenas that were small markets that used to be they only show one patch because the peep was only now them shits is lit they sold you right that was like one of the shits I used to like see in jail when I be watching TV and shit I'm like yo the world is evolving the economy the money the market you know what I'm saying it's this whole shit is like an internet like you really can come out here and do what you want from the crib like for real you really just gotta put your foot in some shit and go that's some shit though yeah but Messi Messi coming to Miami I'm gonna go to Morocco and see a soccer game got to I called this PO for the last game I was like yo let him come like nah yeah I'm working on that I'm about to get that passport I was trying to get you out there I couldn't wait to get you out there working on some things yeah work up the summer you ain't gotta go nowhere Morocco Morocco playing I would like to go to Morocco yeah got to wherever the fuck crack call or wherever that city is what do you say Maca-less.

56:32Maca-less. Fucking stop speaking languages.

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59:27Maybe you definitely said before, but something I want our audience, because we sucker free this audience. We killing these niggas in the podcast. They all sick. Hey, yo, fuck all these. I want to smout with all of you. I can't really respond to the dirty section, the AM radio. Good morning, Vietnam. We leave them niggas over there. The niggas over there in that AM section. Van from TV. Van from TV. Go dirty yourselves up. fuck that but that why you do that when I heard that why you do that I said Jesus Christ man this shit incredible and the name Bigger Valley could you break down the name maybe a weird little concept nah I love it so when I first started doing music and I knew I could write I was like alright now you need a name I always thought the name is like very significant when it comes to an artist.

1:00:33Need to name that ring that people want to love and respect. What type of music you trying to put out there? So why not? I said, how would I sound if I mix these three niggas together? Big, Jigga, and Machiavelli. Not Tupac, Machiavelli. That's the late pop. there's a difference from that late pop that 7 Day Theory pop them the three niggas that was it so I came up with Max Bigger Belly Bigger Belly fucking incredible what a name Jada how you came up with Jada Kiss Cracker Jacks it said Jada Kiss nah Jada Kiss nah I wanted to ask you that I'm starting to believe you. You got me the turkey. I'm starting to believe him.

1:01:25He got me the turkey chops. He got me the turkey chops. He brought Johnson's fried chicken in here. I'm starting to believe you. That's got it. No, no. Shout out to my man, Rod Lee. I chilled on the block with older dudes. Yeah. And one day, he just came outside. Somebody must have called him or beeped him or asked him who was on the block. And he starts saying, he starts. giving everybody names, but he said, and I kid Jadie kiss me. I just kept. Oh, he said it like that. Yeah, and I, well, this, okay, Jadie, this, that. I kid Jadie kissing me. I got a nice ring. We see if I can make it mean. Yeah.

1:02:09It do. It did. French, and what made you up to Tony Montana? Nah, I mean, when I first came from Morocco, I used to speak French, and I moved to the Bronx. and they used to have all these Africans on my block on Ellesmere and they always used to be talking to me in French every time I'd come out they'd be like they go bonjour yeah they used to call me bonjour first and after that they'd start calling me French then you know after I realized I couldn't you know go to college or play ball or none of that I started hustling couldn't get no scholarships or nothing so that's how I got it so French was from Ellesmere, Montana just hustling yo it's crazy cause I thought you was nice and ball right at one time yeah yeah yeah we was playing ball I still is He ain't got it.

1:02:50Nah, my knee bash. This shit, that nigga fried right now. He don't went to touch the kekos too many times. That nigga done ran in the city. I got the Joe Crack legs now. I can't play ball no more. Joe Crack legs. I can't play ball no more. Yeah, so I'm sitting in my kneecap. I can't jump like I used to. I'm done. I don't know if you're done, but you was dead nice in basketball. Me, I was always fat Joey since I was born. I had a bunch of letters from colleges and everything. I was trying to figure it out, but it was like, nah. You had good qualities. I had good qualities. Yeah, good qualities.

1:03:23They was like, yo, that's Fat Joey. I didn't even call myself Fat Joey. The whole block called me Fat Joey. You always take the name that your people give you. Yeah, yeah, you can't. That's so ordinary. You made your shit, but it's fine. Usually you don't get to make your nickname. Nah, I don't. And people give it to you when it sticks. Yeah. You made your shit, and this shit is class legend. Because I was going for something. Yeah. That shit took game. Shit, they just popped. I had like four other names before that. They ain't right. They ain't work. My first shit was Fettuccine. Ooh. First, my shit on the hood, Charlie Rambo.

1:04:01No doubt. Charlie Rambo. I heard that. Charlie Rambo. Fettuccine. Fed Loss. Fetty Grimm. Mr. Big Yard. Ooh. Mr. Big Yard. It's great. Mr. Big Yard. It's grand star. Getting a little nice. so now I was listening to your shit I used to dive in y 'all niggas shit no doubt but I couldn't y 'all was so I loved y 'all niggas shit I was looking for mine as you beat me to it my bad yo I was so on y 'all shit right I didn't want it to rub off into my shit oh my god yeah he's good job nigga fried He fried. I didn't want it to see it. Yeah. So I had to distinguish my sound. So as hurtful as it was, I had to stop listening to my locks.

1:04:56No doubt. That's respectful. So I could get better. Because, you know what I'm saying? As I started getting better, around like 2001, 2000, I came with the name Max. Max B. But guess what? I didn't know what to be. I didn't have no name for the B. when I came out of 03, 05, 04, I caught the little violation. I went back up for 10 months and I was writing like a dog and that's when the shit came to me. Nobody had more narrative. You know Big Al? Big Al, that's Lamar. We went to school. He's the same class. Lamar, so you knew his brother? Lee. Yeah. You know his brother was allegedly giving it up.

1:05:36He was giving it up. Legend out there. Listen, man. Them 39 boys, was all terrorizing shit. And I'm going to keep it real. When L went, rest in peace, that's bro. When L first came through, we didn't appreciate it. We took his jaw and was flinging him off the roof. It didn't take me to like 10 years ago to really understand the significance of Big L's shit and how nice he was. He was nasty. He was super nasty. But it took me, it took maturity to go into that. I done mastered my sound now I can go back and listen to now I know how not to never sound like nobody but now I can listen again Big L would call me and be like yo I got beef on the block and we would go over there in the white van ugly and we jump out and he'd be like hold up Kriels we ready to tear that shit up one on one I'd be like well who would be the biggest dude on the block he'd fight him one on one I'd be like yo L you wanna fight Ain't this guy like, are you?

1:06:42Nah, I know him. He wasn't a dirty guy, man. He would fight him one-on-one. And we got the animals in the van. Man, he used to fight my brother. And my brother was a nut. But Al wasn't like, you know, he wasn't running around on no way. No, he'd fight. You know, he never wanted to set nobody up if he knew you like that. He'd be like, because we coming. Yeah. In the van. Early fat Joe. Three fat Joe. We got taco. We got this. He's like, oh, it's one-on-one. And they always be the biggest guy in the world. I'm not going to say he won, but Al Fordham one-on-one. I was out there when he got killed.

1:07:16Cam and him was out there, too. I seen him on the floor. That was like the saddest shit, man. But Al, man, he had so much coming, man. His future was really, really, really, really bright. He did whatever, man. But shout out to Hong. He's getting a lot of love now. Shout out to Master Peele. And his flow never got outdated. The way he rapped back then. That's crazy, right? People were just rapping like that now. I'm accustomed to it. I'm trying to tell you, I went back and had one of his joints like a few months ago. And it just gave me a whole different feel. I was like, damn. You know, Finesse discovered him.

1:07:49So Finesse was the hottest rapper in New York. And it was different from us. We partying. You going, Charlie, baby. Finesse, the crowd standing there waiting for the ooh. Yeah, crazy. Ah! Like this grown man, that's all they wait. And he going there and freestyling. They're like, Lord, Finesse is the man that you got to hear. Floating. Oh, the whole crowd. Like, every punchline. No. Every punchline was dramatic. And when he said, yo, I found this kid from Harvard. I didn't even know that. No, no, yes. That's crazy. He said, that's how he's digging in the crates. Yeah. You know? And man, that man, Big L, came out in that first song.

1:08:32That first show was up there, like, Broadway and, like, over there by Marble Hill. Big L spit his fucking ass off The whole crowd They was there for the Ooh, ah, ah, ah Imagine he come up in there The baby finesse at the time And he tore that shit down He the only artist I ever did a song with That said he gonna He gonna rip me down on a song And take all my fans We at D &D Primo do the beat to the enemy I had just went gold for the first time So he sits me down He's my little brother He says listen I'm here to take all your fans. That's some Harlem shit, right? I'm here to take all your fans.

1:09:13I need it. So just know, come with your very best right now. Because I'm going to go crazy on you on this song. And that's my favorite rhyme I ever said in my life. Because I was on the spot. You remember that Lords of the Underground freestyle dish record you did? Oh, yeah. You remember that for Finesse. They good guys now, man. They good. The Lords of the Underground. Yo, what happened? Yo, you was wild. You dissed Lords in the underground? You was wild. Because you know they call it B for finesse. Because it was Lord finesse. For some reason, the Lords of the underground, they try to go at finesse.

1:09:47And you know, it's like, I didn't mind my business. I was a wild thing just coming in. And damn, man, I hope they don't resurface. That shit don't resurface. They good people. It is what it is. Yo, French, you had enough battles, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That shit was like, well, right now, we're really not into none of the shit we used to be into. So y 'all was the first ones to really actually start drill rap. Who? Because drill rap is basically, who was the first MCs to start beefing, right? Because they was telling us. That's Kool Moe D. Yeah, that's Kool Moe D. Kool Moe D started your busy beat.

1:10:27Busy beat. And Kool Moe D. But they say the first gangsta rapper was Ice-T. and then KRS was the second one we googled that shit right? I don't know who we is we googled that shit Icy was the first gangsta rapper I think the first rapper with a diss song was Icy? no first nigga with a diss first of all they was dissing each other every battle every jam had battles Cold Crush against the Romantic them niggas they been battling forever but the first big battle was Kumo D and Busy B Busy B was like a Max B. Life of the party, having fun. I don't know if you remember the old school movie. He spelt his name with the money.

1:11:09He was Busy B. Busy B was rock the party. Crazy. And your man, a young Kumo D came up in there and was like, that Bob to the Bob, take that shit on home. His shit was like his hit. His lean back was to the Bob, to the Bob, the bang, the bang. He said something in and on, take that Bob to the Bob. I always thought it was MC Sham and K.R.S. that started the first round. That's a little bit. That's a little bit. They put a picture in Instagram yesterday at KRS 1 and they said, what comes to mind? I immediately wrote South Bronx, South, South Bronx. I looked at the comments and they was like, let me begin.

1:11:47They were just over. Then they come and they like, are you a philosopher? Yo, there is so many KRS quotes. I don't think nobody repeated the quotes. Like, every song was, you must learn. My main man Rob Now what the fuck You remember that Love's gonna get you Love's gonna get you Love's gonna get you What'd he say? G a week Fuck school Fuck school Your love's gonna get you G a week It finished you right now A G a week? I said it was good Shout out to Jamaica You was chaking up With a G a week Found that was Somebody Jamaican Who started hip hop That's crazy Shout out to Jamaica Oh you didn't know that?

1:12:26Nah Who hurt? Who hurt? Yeah I didn't even know he was Jamaican, though. So shout out to Jamaica. He's Jamaican. That's crazy. And he's the most solid one of all the founders. Crazy. You know, he's a real nigga. Cool work. Yo, when the Bronx looked like Vietnam, where all the buildings was blown out and burned in it, that nigga got the convertible with the fucking speakers in the back driving through the Bronx when the shit looked like Vietnam. The train still had spray paint on. big time before the spike train or something that was before graffiti that nigga was out there with the convertible shit like a dawn you know yeah yeah yeah he had the caddy the big shit he was riding around he was he driving through the shit this is cool hurt the founder yeah well just to know somebody Jamaican created hip hop and in Jamaica they don't even do hip hop it's kind of it's kind of crazy well I can tell you something that's crazy I don't want nobody to kill me at the deli but every Sunday I go to the Italian deli go get the olives the turkey, the everything so there's a man there that's like the rain man he's a customer he stands there and he just fucks everybody no the man start telling me it's a white dude, he's really really smart he got like Asperger's or autism on a high level with a smart, smart guy and then he asked me He said, yo, man, what instruments y 'all play for hip hop and all that?

1:13:58And I was like, you know what? We don't really play the instruments. We sample. He said, what do you mean sample? They got these machines, but they take jazz. They take rock. They take salsa. They take R &B. And I realized hip hop come from everywhere. I never really thought about it until he asked me that question. It actually is a fucking gumbo. One million percent. You sample all the shit together, and that's how hip-hop come out. Yeah. The album will be out already. Turn to the Coke Wave, man. Coke Wave, Narcos. How many joints are there? 3.5. Let me tell you how we got a 3.5. 3.5. Because we were so high that we skipped part three.

1:14:39But you don't get high no more, they said. That's hard. They were so high, they skipped three. We skipped three. So we went straight from two to four. So he come home. I'm like, yo, we got a problem. We skipped the whole value. You got to come back to 3.5. I got a solution. We're going to call it 3.5. That's both. He said the 3 for the one we missed and the.5 for the one that come after 4. So we got two values. You want to know what's crazy? That's a genius. That's genius. You want to know what's crazy? I can never get the vision out my face. Pause. Come on, man. Come on. Crack. You can't get wet.

1:15:26The vision. Uh-huh. Vision. I ain't saying nothing, pause. Out my face of this man with a captain's hat with force. White girls just, it looked like he was, what's my man to die, the Playboy dude. You after? Yeah. You after that night in the club. Yeah. I'm looking at him. I'm like, yo, this thing is out of control, bro. What a life, man. Now you're married. You got your wife everywhere with you. Yeah, she in the building. Oh, man. Smart man. You out of a lot of trouble, huh? It's a nice system implemented. Can't complain. But you got it. You got your shit together. And I've watched other interviews.

1:16:11Nah, you got your shit together, bro. I'm trying. You ain't with that shit. You ain't falling for nothing. Yeah, yeah. Doing shit. You got your shit together. And everybody, if everybody, even the goons, I know they've been waiting 17 years for you to come home. Everybody been waiting for the money to come in, whatever the case may be. Everybody been on max time. So you got to let them know we all got to be in harmony. And that's one of the toughest things I had to learn since day one. I'm coming with the animals. And they beating up my fans. The ugly ones. I'm like, you got a flow, Joe. We be, I slant.

1:16:47Look, they do flow, Joe. It's number one in America. They do a concert, my first show, Lehman College in the Bronx. I come up with the whole Forrest Projects. Not half, not two-thirds. Black Spanish. This FJ560 days? Before that. This is 9-3. Right? You funny, too. We was in Patterson Projects. And he told me, yo, you safe from right here. I said, nigga, I sold my first bag of dope on this fucking... I swear to God. I was just a little reassurance, though. Yo, I sold my first bag of dope in that park on that bench right there. Nah, crack came out. No. It was heavy that day. I was there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:17:29But he told me I'm safe. I said, all right, friends, don't worry, man. You know, you know. Yo, you remember you're like an elephant. No, I told him, I said, yo, I don't smoke. I don't drink. I'm focused. My sugar right? I'm good. Yeah, you stopped drinking way before everybody. Man, listen. I couldn't even give Crack a bottle of Nuvo while he was making all the way up. I'm trying to give him a drink of Nuvo. I'm like, there was no liquor in this, Crack. He stopped drinking before everybody. Well, you got me high. We shot the video of the cooking in the desert, and I went in your fucking trailer.

1:18:01I don't know if you remember that. You, Zach, and y 'all was there, and y 'all had chocolate chip cookies. Oh, yeah. Of course, my fat ass go, and I start eating the chocolate, and they all laughing. I don't know why they laughing at me I'm tearing up the chocolate chips next thing I know I'm high I don't smoke nothing I'm like yo what the fuck in the desert we had tigers in the desert I'm so high I'm banging on Remy's door she's in the trailer next door and I'm boom boom ram ram we gotta go it's turning dark that shit was like 12 noon it's turning dark video as soon as the sun goes down the video's over I was tired then I realized I went back I said no She said something wrong with you, Joe.

1:18:42I said, yo, Rem, stop. She's like, you're high. Something. And I went back. I said, yo, they started dying laughing. Yeah, spiked you. She changed the whole treatment. Yeah.

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1:22:14So this shit, what's the African joint where the kids is dancing? Unforgettable. Unforgettable. How many diamond is that shit now? Probably like going on 20, about like 84 around the world. I wish, man, I wish I walked out the label and did Make It Rain, like how you did it with that record. You were the smith. I wish I'd have booked that record. Yo, French, I think you went, I think you was off the label you was leaving the label and then you hit that one and they came back and said hold up let's work this out cause I paid for that record I paid half of that record when I was in the studio just working on the album I remember Travis coming in we did a joint a couple people came in but Jeremiah came in for like two days we stayed up for like two days cooking there was a point where Jeremiah was just playing records and he played this one joint it was already a hook on there yeah Jeremiah played it You gave him that million-dollar voice, huh?

1:23:13I turned around, looked at him. He looked at me. I said, pull that joint up. That was a layup. Yeah, he played it. How genius was it? Your idea? I know you're African, but it was your idea to go get the kids? Yeah. See, the kids, I was watching them kids before I even had the record. Them kids, I was already watching them. Because I'm like, man, these kids, they don't dance like nobody. So I started asking, doing my homework. they don't watch no TV no nothing so they had to learn all their moves like on some you know just as they going what part of Africa was that? it was Uganda it was Uganda so I was Kamala so I was trying to Kamala the wrestler big Kamala so I was trying to fly him in they was like they can't get no visas no nothing so you gotta go there it was a 30 hour flight and mind you when I got Unforgettable the record leaked the business wasn't done So when Jeremiah gave me the record, I remember I called up Sway.

1:24:11I'm like, yo, bro, I want this record. There was like, they already had the record going on something else. So imagine like you had Lean Back and somebody called you and said, nah, you can't have that record no more. So I hollered at Sway and I hollered at Mike Wills. It was kind of back and forth. But I think my man Sal came in and shot the Sal. Sal came in and he was like, bro, I'm going to tell you how you're going to get this record. Just give him$300 ,000 for the record. We paid$5 ,000 for beats. We paid$10 ,000 for beats. I never paid for a record for$300 ,000 I was looking at Sal like he was crazy but the record was already out so now the record is already out and somebody is telling you pay$300 ,000 for a record nobody in the right state of mind gonna be like I'm paying$300 ,000 because you still don't know if the record gonna go or not but the record was already leaked out it was already out when I went to the label they said the record is already out the label was like nah we don't wanna invest in this so I had to go in my pocket and I was like look if y 'all match me I get it So I put up$150 and shot the Sylvia wrong.

1:25:06She put up$150. But I went to Africa and I shot the video out of my own pocket too. Crazy. Yeah. We shot the video and we had the song and the song was already out. So we just had to gamble. It was like a million dollars of gambling. You know, I caught an L like that one time. I did the song with, I was so honored to do a song with Kanye West. He made me book Hype Williams. I paid Hype Williams I think maybe $300 ,000. I'm independent man come with a flashlight was the light. You know how they got they got more lights in here right now he came with a flashlight he's like something new I'm working on I said what?

1:25:47You talk about I got body, Hype Williams might have spent 10 grand on that video but the video came out phenomenal he can't miss And then your man Kanye never charged me, but he said, yo, Joe, cover the wardrobe. He ordered$10 ,000 tank tops from France and shit. Like, he killed me on that budget. Like, I'm like, Kim Kardashian comes through. It's a movie, right? But I blew the bag on that. Couple hundred thousand, radio, video, this, this, that, and the shit ain't go. and I came back and threw another bag on that. Another 300 ,000. I just knew it had to be a hit. Yeah, man. And it didn't go? It didn't go.

1:26:32It was great. It's a nostalgia piece. I rocked with Kanye. This shit looked beautiful. But I caught a hell on that. Yeah. That's one I caught a hell on. Yeah, I remember Kanye having me meet him in the middle of the desert with his shotgun air. That was incredible. Yeah. That video was incredible. Getting him and Nas there. Who was that? That's when I was like. That was like us getting French Montana on the shoulder there. Nah, man. Stop, man. No, it wasn't Moses. It was, I forgot the name. But it was like a hip hop joint. I never expected it to be a hit. I've seen that joint. No, it was incredible.

1:27:07You on the graveyard of the plane. Yeah, it was with a shotgun air. That was a vibe. That video right there was legend. Yeah, shot the E. Ferreira. Yeah. But you had to get them there. Yeah. How crazy is that? Bro, lightning in the bottle. You know about$300 ,000. I'll tell you a story I never said before. It was crazy when we just talking. But I never forget we shot John Blaze. Had the young Jada kiss my head. Hard record. Pun. The only one that was late was Nas. And last minute, Steve Stout showed up and was like, yo, we need$10 ,000 for him being a video. Yo, this is when Joe cracked his Don Carter Jr.

1:27:51I ain't paying for a peach, nigga. I'm walking in the supermarket getting free food. Like, I'm like, yo, I ain't paying for shit. Ten grand. Ten grand. I'm walking up in there like, I'm in the supermarket taking free peaches and shit. Like, yo, Don don't pay for shit. Yo, I was so in my feelings. Even though I was rich already. I was like, you know what? I was like, yo, ten grand? He was like, yo, you know, this is nice. I said, no, that's not even a question. He did the song for free, but I gave him that ten grand. That felt like the$300. Yeah. For that, like, because in them days, I don't think nobody was paying for nobody to show up or nothing like that.

1:28:26Jade is there. Who's there? Raekwon is there. PUN is there acting up. MAC-10. MAC-10. But I learned from that, though. I saw The Weeknd pay somebody as big as The Weeknd was. I was bugging. I was like, yo, why you paying? You The Weeknd? My man Cash was like, when they ask us for something, smoke big, get the job. Ooh, ooh, ooh. Woo! He said you gonna smoke they what? Smoke they gizzard drums. We got new music to play? We got new music? Damn. Yo, play that joint you've been talking about French that you think is the boy. I'm gonna let Max pick one and I pick one off the tape. Okay. He can play.

1:29:03Which one is it? Oh, Papa Half. He'll play Papa Half and I'll play ever since you left me, joint. Frankie Crockett. Impossible Dreams Music Group. Woo! On that. Don Velo.

1:29:23She popped a half, got a titty shown. That bitch bad with no pennies on. Count Cash is my favorite song. That cool black, but the baby crony. I make the most of it. I bet them hoes love it. Fly by that plane ready. Tell her bring no luggage. Might just go ghost fucking. White bitch got no stomach. Coke boys, they ain't ready. Wave guys, they owe love cash in the zone. Probably with four or five bitches trying to show them. Probably four or five years and I be gone. Probably with my dogs high sitting on the throne. Probably cash. These niggas on our desk. Our products are the best. I'm as good as the shit.

1:30:09These niggas need a laugh. I do this shit for less. I get up in the air, then I get up in the air. Yeah, we ace, boom, cool, and true hustlers. Give me all the energies, help you get mustered. New attitude, new mood, new clusters. Yallin' to the booze if we snooze you too rusty. Some other type of nigga, it's so hard to explain it. Powers is the way, it's so hard to contain it. Bigger boy, the streets back, we so hopeful. You see him in the streets, he's a local. That slick ass nigga there with the charm and there in the head When I wave my arm I make alarms I pull up the stairs, throw to you niggas and now I'm home Pull up a chair, these niggas is old, they going home I couldn't care She popped a half, got a titty shown That bitch bad with no panties on Count Cash is my favorite song That cool black but the baby chrome I make the most of it, I bet them hoes love it Fly by that plank ready Tell up ain't no luck Might just go ghost fucking White bitch got no stomach Coke boys they ain't ready Wave guys they owe them cash in the zone Probably with four or five bitches trying to show them Probably four or five years and I be gone Probably with my dogs high sitting on the throne Probably cash These niggas don't like this Our products are the best I'm just against the shit

1:31:57Yeah. Yeah. Just a taste. Just a taste. That's hard. Play one more? Yeah. Hell yeah. Just a taste. Play the other one. Oh no, this the one. Yo, stop it. This the one. This the one. This the one. No, no. This the one. This the one. I heard y 'all in the studio when y 'all played this. I was like, this shit out of here. Yeah. This the one. I never even heard one word. This the one. The look. Remember, I told you. This is his work. This is his work. One second. I already know. This the one. Let's go. Let's go. Get ready to shake your ass. I went deaf on a bitch.

1:32:49Ever since you left me. More money, more cars, more hoes, more shows. Ever since you left me. More diamonds, more gold, more emotion, more hoes. I went deaf on a bitch.

1:33:03I went deaf on a bitch. All I need is one night. You're going to have to spare your journey. All I need is one night. I went deaf on the bitch. Yes, my, yes, I, Fiesta. Drop top G-wagons, we don't do Teslas. Don't pay for the bad guy, pay semesters. I turn dream girls to my new extras. Niggas recognize game girls do too. Run through the city like the two live crew. Got a Harlem broad, got a Brooklyn broad. I ain't come this far just to come this far. A friend to all is a friend to none. So don't push me, bitch, cause I'll press the button. I went deaf on the bitch. It started. I went deaf on a bit.

1:33:47All I need is one night. You're going to have to splurge on it. All I need is one night. I went deaf on a bit. All I need is one night, one chick. Dumb drip. Baby, want a piece? Call me scrum sis. Baby, want to be with me? Call me husband. She was singing on my mic. Teddy, where I'll spin. This statue, life, fool. First time I heard the flow, they knew I do. Christina Pink Moon, I'm Rude Got the three-piece suit and blue half suits I went deaf, bitch, blew my mood I just get rich and fuck any bitch I chew I went deaf on a bitch I went deaf on a bitch All I need is one night You're gonna have to splurge, honey All I need is one night I went deaf on a bitch Try to get you the other back Try to get you another kind of back This is a monster This'll get you the Morocco to see the monkey I'm gonna get that passport on the pitch I'm gonna get you the Morocco I'm gonna get you to see the monkey right there I'm gonna get you your old monkey I'm gonna get that passport I'm wearing death on him That's crazy Fuck with that That's a heat sink.

1:35:08This is a couple pieces. Taste. This is taste. That's a global nuclear monster, right? Listen. And shout the bro. The rollout was crazy. Still roll. The video. We still rolling. Still roll. We still have enough rolls. Sample by man. Big Swiss roll. From Miami. Ooh, the big Swiss roll. We still rolling. Yeah. Rollout was crazy. You know, put like three videos, four videos together. I'm not. Yeah. Outfit changes. Yeah. That's the way. We got kid art. Shout out to Johnny. Shout out to Johnny, Kier, Art. Johnny produced that joint. He nice. The Mara was crazy. I had that record for like a year. I just had it tucked.

1:35:46I heard it. I'm going to give it a throw when he came home. Two seconds. I heard it. I saw none of them. Yeah. There's no way Max B come home to rap on this. I said this, because you got so much charisma, so much style. And, you know, it takes me back to the little clips when you had the long hair. So I knew you was going to do what you had to do to this. I said, oh, my God. He made it a point. I'll get on that record. He's like, yo, fuck, we got shit going on. But look, I'll get on this. Like, you need this. Yeah. That's how he did that. You shot the video yet? You shot the video last time. Man, you didn't bring out the pilot hat.

1:36:27Nah, we was looking good, though. That's the pilot hat recipe. The pilot hat? Yo. We had the velvet blazers. I've seen a lot of things in my life. Yeah. That pilot hat, boy. Yeah, we had the velvet blazers going on. Y 'all was going crazy. Y 'all had about a million dollars with that shit on last night. French, that's out of here. Oh, thank you, bro. Put the bag behind that. He was not fucking around. Welcome to Royal Airlines. What's the shit take you to Morocco? Yeah. What's the name of it? Yeah. The airline? We try to go independent, get that bag like you. Yeah, but what's the name? Royal Air Morocco.

1:37:00Royal Air Morocco. Morocco. You said I'd get it at Macare. Y 'all should have brought the little man in the video. This ain't that. That ain't this. This crack and kiss. Make some noise for freaking Matt. Booyah, booyah, booyah, booyah. I was on that toe. That outro was tough.

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