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33:02That's bombas.com and use code audio. It's from us. We never see nobody from the hood. Like, that's the other thing. We're going to you, Jalen Rose, right? You richer than everybody on here, so you'll speak later, right? Yo, Shane, like, you never see the beauty of your story. We talked about Omar Cook as a coach for Cleveland now. The beauty about your story is we never see nobody from the street, street playground legend, to go to the NBA. That's why Skip was so special. we all offer inspiration and then you go NBA but you also go and you coach you know that's offering a lot of hope, a lot of inspiration and that's what makes you so dope you know, you think about everybody we ever seen you know, there's some nice guys like Phenom and they never did that but the whole thing is like to give it up to y 'all is like and kids could attest to this like we come from a place where things seem hopeless but I saw hope you know what I'm saying when I see when I see Fat Joe at the time being Fat Joe when I see Jay-Z at the time being Jay-Z these are you know and even Puff to a point like no disrespect all love like part I've been in his life is all love Like, so like they gave me the inspiration because like I said, when I was in Brooklyn, I didn't see that.

34:43I saw like Robin, Steele and this and that. Not saying uptown wasn't crazy or the Bronx wasn't crazy, but. Brooklyn was crazy. Yeah, but they also, the thing that was different from Brooklyn to all the mother barrels is like the stuff y 'all was doing, you still was getting money and you still was like looking good. Like still like, man, I could be something. And it wasn't like, oh, Fat Joe's going to jail. Jay-Z's going to jail, this and that. Like when I'm running around with kids, Maze, Chic, Styles, all of them, like we get to see people over us that was like doing stuff that actually made money.

35:20So I was like, so that's why I like even in my book when I wrote, I'm like, you got to be you got to be careful who you say who's the hero and who's the villain. Right. Because I grew up with drug dealers that when I became nice in basketball, paid my mom's rent for two years. So do I think they're a hero? Do I think they're a villain? You know what I'm saying? I went to Providence. You know, one was on America's Most Wanted. He was number three. And I never knew that. I'm in the park, elbowing him, talking stuff to him. This nigga's a mass murderer. You know what I'm saying? But he always told everybody.

35:55He wouldn't hurt you. Yeah, everybody in the hood. He was like, yo, make sure Sham play ball. Make sure Sham is good. So those are people I grew up around. So it's hard for me to always be like. so that's why when I tell kids it's easy for me to coach them because I give them the dead truth and say yo this could happen that could happen but if you let me help you I can help you you can still say what you want like with Kyrie like when it was me and Kai it's like yo you can still say what you want but let me help you because if the worst thing you could do is say you misunderstood if you're not trying to let people understand you say that again I need a glass for this you can't say you misunderstood if you're not trying to let people understand you.

36:34So my whole thing in life was always to try to let people understand me. Because I know I would never be perfect. We all are not perfect. I'm going to fail short even when I try to do good. But if you have people that can understand you, at least they can say, you know what? I ain't really with that. I understand what you got going on. So I'm going to just leave it alone. But when they don't understand you, that's when the confusion starts and the madness starts. And now it's problems. You know what I'm saying? Which you see in Harlem all day with my brothers that are trying to make sure get on the same page.

37:07It's just like with Mason Kim. Like, Kiss and all. I'm just like, yo, you got to get together, bro. Like, we all family. Like, if something happened to me, your family going to be upset. If something happened to you, my family going to be upset. Even if we don't speak, my family, my son and them still call you uncle. Right? I say that about hip-hop. So, I don't know where it started. Where they try to put a false narrative. Yeah, all rappers don't get along and all that. But when somebody says - They don't. I'm with this. Grumpy Uncle Grady, right? Yes, yes. But say something real sad that recently happened.

37:50Little John's son. I don't know him, but I felt bad instead of a mean prayer for Little John because Little John's my brother and I love him. I didn't know his son. But we got like a bond That's because it goes deep in the rap That's not a rapper That's the father losing his son Yeah If you got any type of heart But he's also a rapper Yeah, yeah So what I'm saying is Once he lost his son For me, he's no longer Little John He's the guy that I put myself I mean, I can't imagine that feeling So fuck the rappers, huh, Jaden? A little bit He said it's bigger than rap He said it's bigger than rap Yeah, the man lost his son.

38:31But it's just like, you know, like basketball and rapping is like cousins. So, like, they come from the most competitive place, right? Because you still going to have the street guy that think he better than the guy that's in the NBA. And then the NBA guy going to be like the street guy to understand what it takes to make it. So, it's always going to be competition. It's always going to be competitiveness. So, that's why it gets confusing. And it's just like you said, when you went to the club and you see other people, everybody face fighting, but everybody in the same struggle. But nobody talking about it.

39:05So they think they're coming from two different places and they're really not. Right. So that's why, like, in Harlem, there's no there's no person in Harlem that ever played basketball that I haven't been in the gym with or try to steer the right way, whether it worked or not. It's like, yo, I'm always here. I'm always because because when I left school early out of college, I wish I had some idea for me to be like, nah, just stay one more year. Just hold on. You know, everything going to be all right. You know what I'm saying? But where we come from, you got your mind made up. Everybody like, oh, man, that's what's up.

39:34You should do it. Then when it don't work, they're like, man, you was bugging anyway, bro. I don't even know why you did that shit. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, you know, we come from, especially like Jalen with the Fab Five did. Like, if they had NIL, they would have been rich before then. They owed them. Yeah. How do you feel? They jerked him. They owed them something. they own them you know the world ain't fair the world ain't fair yeah they still actually to this day we had that UM game the championship football joint they still like do you think it's right yeah I think it's right they got paid because these colleges been selling tickets selling jerseys and these kids ain't big in shit and they been like alright guys thank you and not only that These jerseys, they Fab Five.

40:27Your jersey's still selling. Well, the one thing about sports and money is, and I've talked about this a lot, so I'm not interfering with things that I have going on, because I've been talking about this for 30 years. The only sports that have salary caps are black-led, first off. So that's basketball and football. Those are the only sports with salary caps. Baseball Golf NASCAR Tennis You can keep naming them They do not have a salary That's the first thing Holy shit It's correct The second thing is they have no After high school restriction And so that's a residue of slavery Is because we're going to get money off of you For multiple years for free there's no way around there's how can we start we gotta start a union the coalition they doing it now they getting paid now he just made it finished yes and so what happened in the game is it became so obvious because of social media and because of information it's like we're making billions of dollars we gotta pay them some that's how it ended up happening and so for the player like you're an artist you guys are artists we've been that's where I'm going like I have a rape and pillage and no shots or no shade or whatever like whatever but I'm just like real spill like I have a free lock shirt no doubt like I have one Let the locks go.

42:21Yeah. And what ends up happening in entertainment is we're the worker, we're the talent, but we're not the owner. And that's the same thing in sports that happened with the NIL. So I'm happy to see players now getting paid off of their name, image, and likeness. But if you notice, you still got to pay the system. like NFL players you have to be three years removed from high school to go to the NFL a lot of people don't realize that Maurice Corr got messed up correct you can't go straight from the NFL after your sophomore year when you had your best year correct you have to wait three years so the system can profit off it's the same thing with basketball like NBA players have shown Kobe Bryant Kevin Garnett like you can come out of high school and be productive in the league but they still don't allow you to do it so that you can feed the system and they can make money off of it and so I sit on the table about this for a long time for 30 years and the greatest trick that the media played on society is that the Fab Five was some dumb Negroes that went to Michigan like that was on the honor roll I've seen that Yeah, that was like the biggest trick.

43:46And we didn't have like social media. I couldn't say nothing. I'm like, I'm on the dean's list. They're treating me like I'm some dummy. And I took that personal. So I'm happy that they're allowed to be paid right now. But if you notice, the NBA still got a salary cap. The NFL still got a salary cap. I never knew that. So that's how they say you learn something new every day. And both of those sports are like 75%, 80 % black. You can name on one hand a black owner. It's like, oh, you're Michael Jordan. You're one of the greatest of all time, so you can be an owner. Is there a black owner in the NFL?

44:27I don't think it exists. No. Magic is partially, right? Yeah, yeah. Magic's different, though. You can do anything if Magic didn't. What Kanye said. Don't say it. Don't say it. But to your point, I remember in 12th grade, me and Steph, we met with Spike Lee for He Got Game. So a lot of people don't know it's based on part of Steph's life and then off my name. He wanted to name the character God. And he was like, when he saw me playing LaSalle, he came up with the idea of like, oh, Jesus, Shuttleworth, because he wouldn't say God or whatever. And me and Steph auditioned. And then he was like, oh, I'm going to give y 'all a part.

45:12But he was like, the problem was if we took the role, we'd be NCAA ineligible because we was getting paid. So that's why Steph ain't even do his own movie. And Ray Allen was going to the NBA so he could do it. So that's what people don't know about, like how the whole movie thing came about. And Spike talk about this. It's not me just saying it. And Spike talked about how he saw me play a little salad. Then he got the idea of like, he was like, man, he got that name and he's good in basketball. And then that's instead of using God, he just used the shuttle. And that's what I want to ask you, Kiss.

45:50And I'll ask you, Joe, because I see a lot of like articles about streaming and how they're not doing the artist justice per se. Like the artists to say we can have like a billion. This literally reminds me of the NCAA and NIL when I see this about artists. It's like you can sell a billion streams to make like 50 cents. I don't even understand. I don't even know if they made a book. I don't even know if there's anywhere. They just made up their own rules. Am I right or wrong? I don't know what the fuck they doing. And I don't mean to bring up a sore topic But this is how I felt This is how I felt If you go to any Maybe Maybe The higher up And you know You go to Paris And Vivendi And somebody like that And some type of people Can explain it to you But I'm almost 97 % sure If you just ask Any of your friends Other artists Athletes And they're never gonna be able to explain it to you.

47:01It's one of them. That's crazy. So that's the equivalent of me playing at Michigan. And so, now it's pay for play. So, Thad Jones, a great high school player, and he's going to pick a school to go. Now they're picking the highest bidder. Yeah. But most of the players aren't selling goods. That's called pay for play. So what made us different is we would have been selling Farrachis. Black socks. Or like we were jerseys. Like we were selling product. Artists, y 'all are selling product. You know what I'm saying? So I don't understand how I can buy your song or your album, but you don't get paid from it really.

47:54How does that work? We've been sold out from the forefathers. And unfortunately... We tried to give her a bid for what they did. I'm trying to figure... Is that a flag or something? Why you laughing at that? Why are you laughing at that? Because... I want to hear why you found that funny. Because they didn't sell us out. They didn't know what happened. They didn't know. What happens is we've been sold out by the forefathers. And unfortunately, in the black and Latino community, it's like when you watch a bunch of kids playing with the ball and the kid goes, my ball, you can't play with it. My ball.

48:42Puff Daddy thought he was the only person that could make a dollar in the whole entire industry. He wanted every dollar you could think of. Right. A couple of other guys wanted every single dollar you could think of. So it wasn't like each one teach one. It was like, yo, play the Rubik's Cube till you fucking crack the code. So no one, to this day, no one told me, you can get a dollar like this. It's definitely not a game that passes on Intel. But there's people who knew it, though. There's people, and I love everybody. I'm not throwing shots above for nobody like that. somebody like no i didn't mean that i did not mean that what i'm trying to tell you is i didn't mean it in that way what i'm saying is the man wanted to be the king everybody wanted to be like a king and they wouldn't tell you so we going like this i said this one before puff was ever in trouble and he's a big inspiration to me so you know but i'm in my video with bottles of fucking Syrac I'm wearing Sean John I'm wearing this I don't know what the fuck going on next thing I know he's selling these shits for a billion dollars and so we influencing the streets they looking at it like oh we need to get that sweatsuit we need to drink that Syrac we need that they fucking named the whole Coco Loso after fucking fabulous I don't think he ever got a dollar huh I wrote the picture look we're not here pointing that puff right what I am saying is hold on what I am saying to you is you wrote the binge on this yeah he wrote everything he wrote everything but let me explain he wrote his part I wrote my part somebody I respect to the highest level in the universe who I don't think but I know is highly intelligent is Russell Simmons.

50:51And I used to ask him when I was younger. I'd be like, yo, why we ain't got no black distribution? Why we ain't pressing vinyl? And all that, he'd be like, Joe, you really don't want to be asking that question. This is the guy who wants to make this shit. That's like us asking about NIL. Yep. No, but never giving it, never get to the bottom. But he'll tell you, yo, don't even ask that shit. And I'd be like, yo, what do you mean? It's the reason why nobody got the shit. They don't want nobody to get that shit. And then you heard about people trying to make moves like that, and they always got in trouble with the law, or some scandal came out.

51:28You know, they been scandaling motherfuckers forever. We talked about somebody we knew in the back, in basketball. They been scandaling niggas forever. Like, okay, you getting too loose? Wacko jacko. So that adds a question that I have for both of you. gentlemen because there's a, a dope bar that I love. You know, dead rappers get better promotion in my life. Right. So I want to ask you with big and you with pun, because like those are two of my favorite artists that rest in peace aren't here anymore. Like, what did you, and I'm going to start with you kiss like see in big when he was alive and What disappointed you about how he was projected after he died?

52:22Because that's your line. What I saw when he was alive was a good guy that took care of a lot of people. Very humorous. Unlike the stuff me and Crack just said, he did put myself and my brothers on to all of the powers that beat and the discrepancies and what to look for from Diddy and how he was going to be and this and that. You know what I mean? How to be an artist and how to conduct his show. Things like that. That's what I was able to learn from him in my time being able to spend with him. After he passed, I got that line kind of off him and Punch. Buff was able to sell$10 million off the No Way Out album after the passing of him.

53:09So I've seen a lot of people just claim to be cooler with them than they were. One of the things I don't like, one of the things I don't like is through all of the whatever and glitz and shits and giggles, people don't have the relationship with his kids. They'd be so cold. Everybody was big, man, and this and that. They don't know his kids' number. They never spoke to his kids. They don't got kids' birthdays. So that's rock and shit right there. But it's a lot of that that goes on with this industry. There's a lot of smoke and mirrors. When you come across some good people that do good business and you're able to have a relationship outside of the music business, stay tight with them and everybody else.

54:02Fuck. What about you, Joe? Big pun. Big pun, yeah. Complicated. after he died, there was no more money. So it wasn't like, I never made a dollar from him after he passed through. Really? That's a fact. Really never made a dollar. One of the dopest emcees. Yeah, but you know, what happens is I just seen, and I want to quote this right, but I breezed through, but I knew what he was saying. I just saw an interview where French Montana said sold 65 million records and still don't got a royalty. This shit is raping you records. We'll be raping you. Raping you, raping you, raping. No, this shit will be raping you, raping you with this shit here.

54:5065 million records? That's what French Montana said. So what I'm trying to tell you is the only... Similar to the NBA, man. Correct. It's actually worse. It's like college. You guys got a union. It's the college in the house. This shit.

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57:59Generated assets is an interactive analysis tool. Output is for informational purposes only and is not an investment recommendation or advice. Complete disclosures available at public.com slash disclosures. You know, like I got an album to me is a big deal. It sold 2 million records on Atlantic Records. And it's 20 something years that I never see a fucking dollar from this album. Like to this day. But I learned the business and I've been independent for maybe 17 years. And now if I sell, if I put out an album, I sell a hundred thousand records, I make a couple of million. So you got to educate yourself and figure it out.

58:37You know, what I mean? Who was that? George Bush? Something happened to me, shame on me. Something happened again. Fool me once, fool me two times, shame on me. That's on you. If you get jerked one time And you ain't learning From the process Because everything in life Are If you get taken advantage of financially, due to your skills and your talent, I'm going to be a Harvard student. Let me thank you. And so you got to learn from your mistakes and your lessons in life. And I've always been good with that. Meaning like I got a big brother that I looked up to that was a billion times smarter than me.

59:26but he fucked his whole life up using drugs so i never used drugs so i could see you you know i grew up in a family of of gambling aholics we ain't had shit no i remember we i used to be sitting on the fucking floor the projects i'm laying on the floor and watching my grandmother my grandfather my aunts my uncles they playing the number they bet and they last and everything right and then one day my mother hits and the number what's the matter right my mother hits listen my mother hits and she might have made four hundred dollars you only hit the number once every like year you playing every day a hundred dollars she got a tip the lady she played the number with she the whole family waiting for 10 20 dollars all around before you know it she won$40 back of the$800 she spent.

1:00:25The biggest scam. Oh, you fucking with me. I did the numbers and the knowledge, and I knew these people are suckers. I'm not going to do that. And so now they book me all the time in Vegas, right? And they hoping you like a dolphin. So in any other place here, we're doing this little event. They walk me in through the back. It's not little. No, no, it's huge. But they walk me in through the back, correct? Anywhere I go, if I do a stadium show, they walk me through the back. Club walk me through the back. Vegas, the only place they walk me to my show in the casino, through the fucking tables. They want me to catch that Dauphine.

1:01:11If I'm a gambler, I'm stopping there. And I'm betting all the shit they just gave me back in that table. wish yourself good luck I be by the table skipping where the free food at like where the buffet you got me but that's yeah

1:01:36but that's but that's that's residual income for you man you been throwing the flags at me for that glizzy talk but that's to your point is like when you grow up in the hood, you get so stuck in the pain for what happened that you can't see the things that could be better, right? So like for me, it wasn't easy, but it wasn't hard, right? So like even in my book, I talk about like, you know, because people always ask me about my relationship with my father, and my father's here. So like - Shout out to my dad. He was talking about - Got out, pops. I love pops. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was talking that shit with me.

1:02:13I always like to learn. So like all the stuff, all the stuff he been through, you know when I was young our relationship was like up and down because he went to jail and stuff like that and things that happened you know me not being a man at that time you know you look at him and blame him for what's going on right and then in 11th grade you have a son and then it changed your life and then you figure like man 11th grade yeah so it's like it's not always it's not always his fault because he was going through stuff and he was going through his own stuff and trying to figure out his own stuff and then while he was in jail, finished college and all that stuff.

1:02:49And now, you know, as a man, you know, he's one of my best friends, you know, because I treat my kids and stuff like that. But what he don't know is this, like, all the stuff he went through was the example for me not to go through. So through his pain and his trials and tribulation, it made me successful as a person, made me not feel sorry for myself or be stuck in place and just always get up and like, you know, next day gonna be better, you know what I'm saying and just push that to the limit so that's why I always try to pay it forward and like I said you know I know we hear you know on y 'all podcast which is amazing podcast we hear talking about Jalen Rose podcast gang and we hear to talk about the McDonald's or American game and that was like one of my first stepping stone to the NBA because if I looked at Jalen Rose and the people before me I was like man the dudes that make it to the McDonald's or American game, go to the NBA.

1:03:47And, you know, all the stuff my father went through, I was just like, like I said, the one thing he did always teach me, you know, being a father and stuff like that is always have discipline and always have knowledge yourself, right? So, I had knowledge myself since I was like six years old. Yeah, so... So, I always, had knowledge of self since I was young and I was always proud to be black. Right? So that's why when I went to Harlem it was so impactful because it was Apollo, the 125th Street. Jada Kissing them was always at the mark, 125. You know what I'm saying? Even though they was my age, they was doing something I've never seen before, like putting words together and stuff like that.

1:04:35So it was always like mad love and mutual respect for them because it was just like, man, these dudes is going to blow up. I didn't know how they was going to blow up, but I'm like, man, these dudes in the hood smashing, you know, whether it was him, Maze, Kim, and the... So as me going forward, I was like, okay, my first stepping stone is to just make McDonald's All-American. So that's why I was just pressed, because I was like, if I can make that, then my odds would go up, right? And I remember when I got the call over the loudspeaker, because that's when... And at this point, you didn't take the same position from the same city, right?

1:05:07So I already knew Steph was going to be McDonald's All-American. Steph was the best seventh grade, best eighth grade, best ninth grade, best eighth grade, best 11th grade. So I was like, man, I was like, it might be impossible. I got to work hard because at that point, they didn't take the same position. We both was point guards. So when I got the call over the loudspeaker, Steph was like the second person that told me I made McDonald's with American Girl. And that's all I wanted to do because I wanted to make my father proud. I wanted to make my father friends proud. I wanted my father friends to go tell him like, yo, this is your son.

1:05:41You know what I'm saying? So like for me, through all the trials of the tribulation, I've seen brother, like I say, like we in the hood and stuff. I always knew like it could be better. And I was like, I know what I, I didn't know what I wanted to become but I said, I know what I don't want to be. And my biggest thing was I didn't want people to walk up to me. Like I used to see them walk up to people. I look up to them like, man, he used to be nice. So that's like a big insult to me. Like when somebody say you used to be, you used to be talking about it yo you can't used to looking fat yo like shit I'm flying right now right now don't play that shit for me I got all my teeth all my all my teeth I got all my teeth don't play that shit it's been a lifetime dream yeah people get runs and then they get played and then they remember they used to this not me you call it a cast and I'm gonna have so that's why I'm proud to be McDonald's All-American because to this day, those are my brothers.

1:06:43Like, Steph, KG, Vince Carter, Paul Pierce, you know, probably the same jailer could speak to his class. Like, those are my brothers. Like, when I see them, it's all... Got a question for y 'all. He brought it up. It was the Joe and Jaden show. I love you guys. Paul Pierce thinks that if he was in his prime, there would be no LeBron James. Get me out. But that's just a rivalry. Okay, let me... He doesn't really... Please, please. I went to bed one night and I was like, I'm going to be better. Please, let me continue. I went to bed one night and it was like, Michael Jordan is nothing. I'm going to crush him.

1:07:22Please, that's... No, no, no, no, no, no. Let me finish this. You got to... There's an underdog. Let me finish this. There's a favorite and an underdog. Yes, sir. You want to... Yeah, good. Good question. This is a dandy but good. Paul Pierce thinks that if he was in his prime, it would be no LeBron James. Case in point or whatever, he says he made LeBron James team up with D-Wade and him and go down to Miami because they won them two chips in a row. He said, I was past my prime and I forced him to go down to Miami and play with them because we had the game on smash. so honest smash is alright so y 'all most good no no no what I'm saying is because of that can y 'all both answer it as honest as possible I'll start with you Sham Gart do you think that Paul Pierce if he's at his prime Nebron James dog gotta wait six years for a chip or something nah that's why I threw the flag because you know Paul is my McDonald's All-American guy and that's my brother but the reason why LeBron went to Miami is because Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen came to Boston.

1:08:41If Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen don't come to Boston, then Paul Pierce never get a ring and there's no reason for LeBron to go anywhere. So when he say LeBron went and teamed up with somebody, it's not that he went and teamed up with somebody, but somebody came and teamed up with him for him to win the ring. So you got to have the same grace for the next man that goes somewhere else. Listen What you think One of my favorite verses Came from Big And that's like As I look at you gentlemen It literally just came to me When he was like If you sling crack rock Or you got a wicked jump shot Because we idolize What you guys do And many artists Wish they hoop Like Jada Kiss Was literally just talking Like I wanted to hoop But like I didn't get The offers that I wanted Like I heard Cam talk about it I've heard multiple people talk about it.

1:09:31But to your question, Paul literally said he was past his prime. So, therefore, nothing stopped for LeBron at that time. The Pistons were a couple of years older. And, like, LeBron is gold stat. He earned that. He's not better than Michael Jordan. No. No. But he's gold static. Can't do that. What you think, Jadakiss? you always make her funny you heard that and you squinted they both said that right here I think you're a liar and deep down the side in your heart you think LeBron's better than Jordan I think so because I decided to conversation come up who the fuck is here he always give me a twitch I'm never I'm MJ forever very smart very calculated man but you're fucking you know like you know like that cop interrogation you did it you had the bottle in the store.

1:10:29You had the fucking bottle in the store. So, as somebody that played against Michael Jordan, played against Kobe, played against LeBron, I want to just tell you guys something. There's nobody better than Michael Jordan. Talk slow to him. I want to be very clear. You with us now, huh? Rich Paul in here, he's like... There's a reason why you're wearing his shoes and he ain't played in 30 years. I agree. There's an actual reason. Just think about this. And I know the cool kids say pause now, so I thought it out. But this gentleman played basketball with his tongue hanging out. Just think about it.

1:11:11You can't walk from this stage to the back with your tongue out without biting your tongue. Just think about that. You're convincing the wrong man. So you're wearing his shoes. You're preaching to the converting. I'm telling you why you're wearing his shoes. It's not just because he won the championships. Like, Jordan had that sexy, that fly. He showed up with the blazer, had the Ferrari, parked it in the arena, played with his tongue hanging out. Like, this is iconic. Part two to your answer. This is why I say Kobe Bryant's the second best of all time. I was standing there when he scored 81. That's right.

1:11:56I know. And the thing is, let me explain. Ain't no highlights. Ain't no highlights in that game. Let me give you a full hit record. And he sat down for the fourth quarter. Ain't no hit records in that game. He sat down for the fourth quarter. Let me explain something. He did not sit down for the fourth quarter. I go. That is not accurate. Oh, so that wasn't that game? No, no, no. That was against the Mavs. No, that was against the Mavs. He had 65. He sat down the whole fourth quarter. That was against the Mavs. That was against the Mavs, 65. So we played. That was a warm-up. So I want to highlight what you're saying.

1:12:33Kobe was on a heater that month. Like, I looked at the schedule. And I'm going to do a story time. Like, we wasn't legal then. We was not legal. Weed. Weed. Marijuana. Marijuana was not legal. Cannabis. And our team might have been a little bloated trying to pass the test that night because they were there to test. I'm literally So you making excuses Behind the 69 Ain't no excuses Kobe's my That's my little brother Like If you google right now Who was Kobe Bryant's Favorite player When he was in high school It was me Make some noise for that Make some noise If you google that Right now It was me So that's my little brother Like I'll never forget We was working out of UCLA And y 'all know this As artists We was working out And doing our thing and we felt like, yo, we're going to go to a burger in Santa Monica and get massages and, like, rehabilitate and get in the steam and whatever.

1:13:34But what I didn't know, his ass was going back to the gym. He didn't tell me. So I was going to L.A. to kick it. So we worked out in the morning. You know this, Coach. That's why you laughing. So, like, we go work out in the morning, and I'm thinking, like, we're done, and I'm doing the L.A. thing. his ass went back to the gym and didn't tell me. He did that every fucking day. I got a story for you. I come up in Jersey. I parked the car in the garage. I'm going to see my man. He's one of them buildings that you go to the lobby and you got to take the other elevator to go to the 30th floor or something.

1:14:16You got to get out in the lobby. I got to keep this around me for you sometime, Joe. Okay. It's okay. It's all right. It's all right. Right? I come out in the lobby and there's 30 people that live in that building surrounded the front desk. So of course I go be nosy. I'm like, yo, what's going on? The security, the doorman is watching the little black and white TV. It's the finals. So I'm watching the finals. If you ever wondered one time, you ever said, yo, what were other people thinking at this moment? I happen to be there by mistake with 30 people watching the basketball finals. So I go over there.

1:14:59Everybody's watching. Asian people, white people, like everybody. The whole lobby is rampant watching this little TV. They down two points, right? The Lakers are down two points. The other team got the ball. So they're about to throw the ball in. Kobe jumps over something hits the guy the ball hits the guy and goes the whole 30 people everybody's crying I'm like they're still down two they got the ball why are you crying at this point guys because you knew that motherfucker was gonna curl and hit that three in your face that ball got checked in he did the curl and shot that three in they fucking face The whole 30 people knew exactly what was going to happen with Kobe Bryant.

1:15:53And this is why I say he's the second best. This is why I say, right? So, like, what people understand is it goes back to, like, what Kis was talking about with Big, right? Or his untimely demise. It's like when I see people act like they were more cooler with him than they were. it like bothers me to this day because like when Kobe first came back from overseas I'm the first person that he met right we played ABCD together and his father I was dribbling and stuff and his father was like yo can you teach my son how to dribble he was like and this is not me talking because I ain't talking about it in 20 years Kobe said it in his retirement so Kobe said it out of his mouth when he retired He was like, so when I first met him, his father was like, hey, can you teach him how to dribble?

1:16:46He was like, my son got everything, but he really can't dribble. And I was like, who your son? And we had a game that night in ABCD. And this dude, like, chewing gum, walking like Jordan, talking like Jordan. And at this time, I just made McDonald's all American. I was like, he's shooting all the balls. I'm like, yo, who the fuck is this shooting the ball? This is supposed to be my team right now. And we're in Jersey. So I'm like, I'm home. Like, this is my joint. And his father was like, you know, he's just learning. He's a junior. At this time, Tim Thomas is the guard, like number one player in the country.

1:17:22There's nobody touching Tim Thomas. So then Cole was coming in at a point. So I'm like, all right. You know, I get up every morning to work out. I do my own routine before camp start. So he's like, all right, what time you want him there? And I'm being smart ass. I'm like, oh, yeah, I'll be there five in the morning. Knowing I ain't going to be there five in the morning. So I get there like seven. He full sweating already. Like, oh, what we going to do? So he actually came at five. Yeah, he came. He's just working out. He's not mad that I came two hours later. He's like, what's up? What we doing?

1:17:53What we doing? What we working on? So I'm showing him how to cross over, do all this stuff. And at this point, he's like a sponge, right? So he's just learning all this stuff. And I'll never forget, like, his first year in the NBA. Um, if you, my first year in NBA, if you look on, um, highlight when he dunked on Ben Wallace, I'm right here on the baseline next to Ben Wallace. And I'm telling Ben like, yo, he going right to left cross. I showed him, he going right to left cross. So then he crosses, come down the lane, they dunked on Ben Wallace. And he's like, and at this point, you know, when you're ABCD and you're young, all the kids are like, you know, not hating on him, but you know, we tease people.

1:18:32You're like, oh, you think you Jordan, you think this, you think that. And he was like, what? I'm going to be better than Jordan. Are you crazy? He was like, Jordan shoot 1 ,000 jump shots. I'm shooting 2 ,000 mates. So you got to think, at 50%, he done shot 4 ,000, right? A day. Now, this is drive. So like, when he get in the NBA and they start calling him Showtime and him and Shaq and all these people beefing and all that, he was already so immune to it. Whereas, Kobe used to get on the bus with headphones on with no music just so he could hear people talk about him. right this is how this is how vicious he was so like when people talk about him it's kind of like for me it's personal it's like the thing with Steph like I seen him at that age like where he was shooting like you said the discipline he was shooting 2 ,000 jump shots back then he wanted to play against Jalen Rhodes and Jerry Stackhouse in high school back then it was like no I'm the guy like don't compare me to this person that person so like that right there made me and him to like to a 25-year relationship to where under his timely demise, I was training his daughter, right?

1:19:43So I have a picture in my house where it's me, his daughter, the other two girls. I have a picture of Miles right now. Everybody in the picture is dead but me because they was on a plane, right? So it's like, and the crazy thing about what his daughter was, he flies me to LA. He's like, he called me. He's the only person that could do it. He called me. He's like, hey, I need you to train my daughter how to dribble. And this time I'm working with the Mavs. This story's crazy. I'm working with the Mavs. The kids know this story. So I'm with the Mavs. He's like, yo, I'm going to fly you to L.A. I want you to work my daughter out hunting the girls.

1:20:16And I'm like, what girls? He's like, my girls team. I got like four of them. They're going to go to UConn. I'm like, what? He's like, yeah, I get there. He's like, hey, we're going to start practice at 6 in the morning. He said, we're going to do 6, 8. We're going to do six, eight, and 12. So I was like, you want them to work out six hours? And he was like, yeah. He was like, I only want them dribbling. And I was like, oh, they can't dribble six hours, bro. He's like, no. We're going to do two hours at a time. I just want them dribbling. I go there. I start working with his daughter. She's just like him.

1:20:54What you got, coach? What you got, coach? Now, all the parents is there watching me train them. 8 o 'clock come Coach just dropped the ball Take his daughter Walk out Come back I'm like You know We gonna do some shooting No he's like Nah I just want them dribbling I'll take care of the shooting Just want them dribbling She's like What we got And I'm like Coach they can't do this The whole week bro And she was like Every day I walked in there Coach what we got We got more Oh Coach look I learned this from earlier Like So that's why When all this stuff happened It was just so like like unsurreal for me because I meet people today that talk about, yeah, you know, cold this, cold my God, this, that.

1:21:36They don't even know. They don't even know. They asked me to introduce them to their sister. So it's kind of like what kids say. Like you saying you know somebody, somebody, your best friend or your mentor. How you don't know their sister, right? And I just saw his sister like a month ago. And she was just like, it's so crazy how when we was in high school, my brother used to come to the house and be like, yo, this the move Sham God be doing. This the move Sham God be doing. So like, for me, it's like, like I said, it's no better feeling like all the stuff I went through, you know, going to the NBA, not finishing, whatever.

1:22:13It's like, God just had a bigger plan for me, right? And when I was young, only thing I wanted to do was inspire people. I wasn't thinking about being rich. I wasn't thinking about that because to Joe's credit, to like Jay-Z's, to the rich porters of the world and all that. That's all I got from Harlem was inspiration. So that's the only thing I knew that was concrete, right? It's the inspired people. So when the things happen like Wacobe and the people that was put in my life, to even being on this podcast right now, to the Mark Cubans of the world, to being a part of Roc Nation, stuff like that, it's like, there's no better feeling for me, right?

1:22:49So it's like, everything I asked for, I always say I got. So that's why I'm like real big on being spiritual and real big on knowing this is bigger than me. You know what I'm saying?

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1:26:02And that's crazy because like, and by the way, shout to all of the McDonald's High School All-Americans. Yes, sir. That's why we're here. Yes, sir. And shout out to Roc Nation, Joe and Jada. Yes, sir. My favorite show and family. And shout out to you, Sham, because one of the things that gets overlooked about, like, this union is, like, the level of respect you have for each other. and how hard it is to be fat Joe and Jada Kidd. And I don't want to get too preachy or like too therapy or whatever, but like you gentlemen are successful. Yes. And what ends up happening in our community, it ends up happening with, you know, notable figures.

1:27:05is sometimes we underestimate what they had to overcome to be who they are. That's a real thing. Like Jada Kiss, I know this human being has overcome some stuff. This fat Joe, and he acts like it's because of this crack where he stood up, has overcome some stuff. Right? God, shame God, has literally overcome some stuff. And the beauty of this audience And the beauty of this opportunity Is to like inspire people Like that's really what we want to do Like when you make music I hear you talk about this all of the time Like you got so many hit records You got to inspire the people And I just want to go back Because they twisted your words Shout out to Diddy I ain't throw no shots at you Because you know how they twist your shit We're not going to kick him while you're down.

1:28:04He's with my guys in jail. So he's really, really good with my guys. Kick him while you're down. Shout out to the soldiers in Fort Dix over the down. What would you be? And those Waymo vehicles on the street. Where would y 'all be if you had Instagram? Where would y 'all be? Oh, no, forget about it. I want everybody to ask this. Where would you be if you had Instagram? Back came out. Yeah. Say that again. Where would you be if you had Instagram? I'd be lean back well first of all I'd be in jail I'd be in jail I wouldn't have a wife I agree that'd be the worst thing for my life financially I'd have been like despacito man that shit would have been over a billion serves that lean back Instagram imagine everybody you would have seen churches that was the most fat friendly dance you ever seen in your life that shit would have been out of here how did Lean Back happen man they keep telling us we gotta go really quick they're not leaving the Jamaicans was killing the gang so they had a signature plane a rockaway a underhand a running man and that shit so when we came up with the beat me and Scott Storch we in Catholic studio and and I was like yo this shit gotta be a simple hook and they didn't we didn't know yet stuff we know now we didn't know but I knew that I had to make a simple hook that even a little kid could sing and we spent all time I don't give a fuck about all that and I just said yo and they looking at me like, crack, what you think?

1:29:58I'll say, man, my people don't dance. We just pull up our pants and do the rock. I lean back. I lean back. I lean. And he was like, yo! That shit crazy! And it was out of here. We repeated it twice. And that's how I learned how to make hits like Make It Rain. And, you know, like, even when if you think R &B, let me get real quick. But when you got records where they like, they tell you that ain't it. Like when the R &B singers are blowing to the point of we can't even mimic it. And like, that's not a hit. It got to be something that we can sing along to even though we can't sing. You know? You know, like it's hard to sing.

1:30:44And I am telling you, I'm not going. Hey, before wrapping up, who had the best McDonald's All-American class? Right? Also, Shout Rock Nation, Shout McDonald's All-American. Yes. Get your fries, extra salty, well done. No, no, no. Who's 96? Who's the... 95 is the best McDonald's All-American class. Who's 95? I might have been off for you. Garth Shamgart, Stephon Marbury, Paul Pierce, Antoine Jameson, Vince Carter, Kevin Garnett, Tractor Trailer, Chris Clack, Chauncey Billups, Louis Bullock, What's 96 now? 96 is Jermaine O 'Neal, Kobe Bryant. Steve Nash. No, no, Steve Nash. That's the drive. You talking about the drive.

1:31:34I'm talking about the high school. Oh. McDonald's American. Jermaine O 'Neal. Stag Jack. Rip Hamilton. That next year? Yeah, that's the next year. Rip Hamilton. Shaheen Holloway. We are arguably the best dunker ever. Pence. We had arguably one of the best dribblers ever. Me. That's the best dunker ever. You had Stephon Marbury, culture changer. Yeah. You had Kevin Garnett that changed the whole algorithm. Yeah. Wow. You had Chauncey Billows, big shot. Yeah. You had tractor trailer. Rest in peace. Rest in peace. You had Paul Pierce. The truth. Ron Mercer. Yeah. Bro, we ain't. That's a crazy class.

1:32:21question. This ain't that. That ain't this. It's cracking kiss, god damn it. Make some noise for Jim and Sam Gargiard. Woo! McDonald's All-American to Doc. Yes. This year stepping at that three McDonald's All-Americans. New York, New York. We got the Ratliff Twins and we got one more. They going to USC and he going and the other dude is going to Michigan State. I need to ask one question on the walkout because I got to take an old man piss I got to take an old man piss Sky Rizzy You know that ain't even I looked it up that ain't even for when you got a piss You be saying shit for no reason Yo Flag on the plate So I got a question for both of y 'all Who didn't let me ask my question I love you Joe Who's the best Huh Talk to me and the crazy what the media did with the fan five with the fan five is what Joey cracked he tried to act like his name came from his crack of his ass I cannot believe you tried to do that who is the best female basketball player right now Candace Parker right now I'm saying it Come on.

1:33:46Come on. Asia Wilson. Karina. Asia Wilson. Asia Wilson. You going Asia? Asia Wilson. You not going Caitlin Clark? Asia Wilson. Asia Wilson, dog. Sit in the hat. Asia Wilson. You got to go on Juju Watson. No, you got to sit this one out. Asia Wilson. You got to sit this one out, dog. I love Juju. Asia Wilson. Asia Wilson, dog. No, Asia's the truth. No, no. All right, hold up. I see that. I love you so much that I'm not going to say. Who the light-skinned girl, the pretty one? I don't give a, I don't care. The light-skinned girl. What's her name? You know who I'm talking about. No, I get PTSD because of your question.

1:34:20No. So when I'm telling you, I need you to sit down. Who's the light-skinned girl? I don't get his question. No. Huh? Juju. No, Juju's in. She's going to take all of them. Yeah. She's taking the ball out. Who's light-skinned? Juju from LA. Juju from LA. She's going to take. Juju Watkins is going to take all of them out. I'm telling you. He no student. No, the white girl. What's the light-skinned girl? She play like Melo. Nafisa? Nafisa! Nice too. Nafisa nice. Nafisa dead nice. I like the whole man. But you didn't ask. AJ's the best. AJ. Thank you. You didn't ask me who was nice. You asked me who was the best.

1:34:58AJ is the best. Even though, if you let me. There's not a WBA player baiter, Asia Wilson, right now. There's not. Yes. That's a fact. There's not. Now, what's your question? For clickbait, for clickbait, because I got to take an old man, Caden and Clark. So come here, Joe. I got a question. Come here, Joe. Let him get his question. Come here, Joe. I love you very much. Come here, Joe. Because I got a seat for the crowd. So, like, these are, like, legendary figures to baffle. So that's what it is. So that's what it is. Go use the bat. Skyris. Skyris. So I'll ask Jada until Joe come back. because I always wanted to know this because, like, I'm a Detroiter and, like, Blade Icewood was our king.

1:35:50And then he died, you know, very young. And I saw this happen with Nipsey Hussle. I saw this happen with multiple artists that, like, died before they were able to, like, in my opinion, like, really kill the game. Yeah, Big L. Correct. Big L is another one. So I want to ask Jada Kiss in front of y 'all. And I want y 'all, I want you to give you, I'm going to give you a second to think about it. I want to know your favorite Biggie verse. Because I was thinking about this on the way here. I have like 19 ,000 my favorite Jada Kiss verses. So I know this is going to be a tough question for you. Something that he said.

1:36:39Something that touched your soul. Something that's memorable for you. It's a song he got with Tracy Lee. Oh, yeah. The rings and things you think about bring him out? It's hard to yell with the barrel in your mouth. That's when he said that. I got a new mouth to feed. Do something with keys. Y 'all pick seeds out your weed. I watch cowards bleed. Pick seeds out your weed. Motherfucker, please. It's my block and my rock. Fuck that hip hop The one twos And you don't stop Me and my man Lance To Kim and C's advance Or Tim and Rick Four pounds of weed plants From Branson Now we lampin' Twelve room mansion Niggas get naked off Get money Play his anthem Don't forget I'm on dancing All the hits All the shit Niggas kick me counterfeit Robin come naturally And then I like fucking rapidly past the gap to me.

1:37:39Time for all. They don't lie. B-I-G forever. B-I-G forever. Thank y 'all. Thank y 'all for coming out. Thank y 'all for the love. Definitely. Definitely. You don't got to go home. You got to get the... Get out of here. And so, and so I want to ask the same question of Fat Joe. And by the way, Joe and the Sky Rizzy. I got a discovery. Joe, you're not fat anymore. The Jet, come up here. What are we doing? I spent all my money on promoting stuff. What you doing, man? I got my brother Jason Terry in the building, man. Yo, I was going to bring you up, Jason Terry. The Jet makes some noise for the championship.

1:38:24Jason Terry, Dallas Maverick. Fucking Joe. Utah Jazz assistant coach. So I want to ask the same question as Joey that thinks we call him crack because he was in third grade and stood up and somebody looked at the back of his ass. And he want to sell that to us. I love you very much. Thank you. You're a great son. Thank you. We don't call you crack because of that. Just so you know. We call you crack because of... What is the question, General? Thank you. The question is, your favorite big pun verse. Oh. The middle one. Mine is... I need you to catch that. The harsh realities of life are taking toll, even Jesus Christ, forsake my soul.

1:39:08You ain't a killer still learning how to walk from New York to Cali or my real niggas, Cavendishaw. Walk you to death, won't even talk. That East-West crap from Ross to Left-Rack. We still, big pun that still ain't a killer. It's crazy. Rest in peace. That's my favorite big pun song ever. Love, love, love. Everybody else will just say, get in the middle of Little Italy, right? That guy Guy was crazy He wrote records in his sleep True story He wrote records in his sleep He would nod out He had that shit Where you fall asleep That's Styles P That's the ghost Styles P does that too That's why he's the ghost man He put the beat on Go to sleep Wake up and go in the booth That's Styles Turn on the beat Turn all the lights off The electricity I done been in there Everything He wake up He got the whole song that's the craziest shit ever I thought Pun was Pun to fall asleep wake up and be like yo give me the book start writing the whole song that he heard in his sleep and I'll be like damn that night he was beyond talented and gifted and even though I discovered Pun he taught me so much that's why I you know the whole game when Big Pun passed because he was so much better than me they thought it was over for Fat Joe They counted them out What?

1:40:29No, everybody My best friends My best friends They didn't know I went to The school of big putt He taught me how to write He taught me how to make hits Yo, I got 30 minutes I gotta go get these unions Yo, listen everybody Joe and Jada Love, sports Joe and Jada Love, love, love, love Jada Rose, Sham God We love you Yo, Cali, what's up? Sham God Yo, Cali, what's up? Teach your son to Sham God McDonald's All-American. Yes. Teach your daughter to Shamka. Yes. Shout out McDonald's All-American. Shout out to all the McDonald's All-Americans. They changed a bunch of lives. And I got to say this because it's the McDonald's All-American event.

1:41:08And I didn't say this, but I want to say this. As a basketball player, when you realize that you're going to the McDonald's game, that's the first time you realize you're going to the league. Yes, you got a shot. Is that right? And I remember they used to give me those cards to get Chicken McNuggets. When you make it eight times over here. Surprise! I ate that the whole year. So, love, thank y 'all for pulling up. Thank you.

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