In short
Jesse Williams discusses his activism and public backlash after his BET Awards speech; the importance of teaching African-American history and “conscious” hip-hop; his acting path from non-white casting showcases to long-running TV; and his new lighthearted action series Hotel Costiera, plus travel experiences (including Mongolia).
Guest backgrounds
Jesse Williams is an actor and activist known for Grey’s Anatomy and Broadway work. He grew up in Chicago (1980s crack era), later moved to Massachusetts, studied at Temple University, taught high school in Philadelphia, and began acting in his late 20s after working in law firms in New York. Shonda Rhimes is referenced as Grey’s Anatomy creator.
Key claims
Williams says African-American history is foundational and is being erased (example: Emmett Till not mentioned in some school systems). He argues hip-hop became more negativity/currency-driven, reducing positive consciousness. He says Shonda Rhimes protected him during threats after his BET speech. He emphasizes he’s “not scared of white people” and that familiarity shaped his courage.
Notable examples
Emmett Till history omission; traffic stops/plasma attributed to Black inventors; Grey’s Anatomy inspiring many women to medical school; BET speech leading to petitions and death threats; Hotel Costiera plot: a former marine/Italian-born fixer on the Amalfi Coast searching for a missing hotel owner’s daughter.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOGrowing Up and Teaching in Chicago
1:42 to 2:20
Jesse Williams shares his experiences growing up in Chicago and teaching in Philly.
“This is Tab Ramos from Inside American Soccer, and this summer Topgolf is turning into the ultimate soccer destination.”
Growing Up and Teaching in Chicago
3:20 to 8:20
Jesse Williams shares his experiences growing up in Chicago and teaching in Philly.
“I don't know if you know, our set is in the Roc Nation building, but we have women from every different floor.”
The Importance of African American History
8:20 to 12:10
Jesse discusses the need to teach African American history and its significance.
“Like, you know, I argue with these people all the time.”
Influence of Music and Culture
12:10 to 14:00
The conversation shifts to the evolution of music and its cultural impact.
“And our confidence, and it's not just for us.”
The Evolution of Hip Hop and Its Cultural Impact
14:00 to 18:22
Explore the cultural shift in hip hop and the importance of authenticity over profit.
“And so it's very important that we teach our history.”
Jesse Williams: From Law to Acting
18:22 to 19:51
Jesse Williams shares his journey from law to acting and the challenges he faced.
Shonda Rhimes and the Impact of Grey's Anatomy
19:51 to 25:34
Discussing the influence of Shonda Rhimes and how Grey's Anatomy changed perceptions.
“that was where I, you know, cut my teeth.”
The Pressure of Representation in Media
25:34 to 27:24
Analyzing the expectations and pressures faced by Black actors in the media.
“Like I'd have I'd have 24 hour like armed guards and shit.”
Reflections on Jesse's BET Speech
27:24 to 28:00
A reflection on the significance of Jesse's speech at the BET Awards and its implications.
“Get the fuck out of here with all the smart questions you got today.”
Reflecting on Activism and Courage
28:00 to 32:50
Jesse Williams discusses the courage it takes to be an activist in Hollywood.
“I just forgot what I was about to fucking say.”
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Reflecting on Activism and Courage
32:54 to 35:04
Jesse Williams discusses the courage it takes to be an activist in Hollywood.
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Reflecting on Activism and Courage
38:30 to 38:46
Jesse Williams discusses the courage it takes to be an activist in Hollywood.
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Celebrating New Show and Travel Fears
38:46 to 42:00
Discussion about the new show Hotel Costiera and personal travel fears.
“You over here talking about taking people's wives.”
Adventures and Travel Experiences
42:00 to 45:10
The hosts share travel experiences and adventures, focusing on flying fears and memorable trips.
“And he's just on this adventure, trying to save the missing girl, but also solve cases for guests.”
Mongolian Concert Experience
45:10 to 48:30
Discussion about a recent concert in Mongolia, the beauty of the culture, and misconceptions about Mongolian cuisine.
“They think I bring the guy in my backpack.”
Fears and Ignorance on Flights
48:30 to 50:50
The hosts discuss fears related to flying, the concept of ignorance being bliss, and personal experiences with airlines.
“The Mongolian beef we eat in the Chinese place here, we went over, it's not even Mongolia.”
Finding Identity and Voice
50:50 to 54:00
A conversation about identity, race, and the importance of self-acceptance amidst societal narratives.
“But, you know, it's my biggest fear, man.”
Cultural References in Sitcoms
54:00 to 56:00
Hosts compare classic sitcoms, sharing personal preferences and nostalgia for childhood shows.
“I mean, my era, I grew up on the Cosby show.”
Casual Banter and Jokes
56:00 to 57:08
The hosts engage in light-hearted banter filled with jokes and playful remarks.
“Who do I got to talk to to talk to this?”
Casual Banter and Jokes
58:49 to 59:17
The hosts engage in light-hearted banter filled with jokes and playful remarks.
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Transcript
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2:24What is feeling like, Jess? I don't think about it like that. You have to a little bit. I mean...
2:45What up, y 'all? This is Joe Crack the Dawn. No, it is. your boy Jada. This is the Joe and Jada show. Every show legendary. Every show iconic. And we're still on course. Biggest in the game. Biggest in the game. Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for our guest today. Great actor. Excellent actor. Excellent Broadway player. Excellent activist. Excellent human being. Just a great person. Jesse Williams makes them door. What up, what up? Thanks for having me. Listen, we got women. I don't know if you know, our set is in the Roc Nation building, but we have women from every different floor. I'm looking at all of y 'all.
3:31They don't really work on this floor, and they're all here in attendance today. My style is here. You got the whole thing. Danny wanted to help you into that. So y 'all don't have this. Danny, you wanted to help. That's a serious. This countdown's worth on the show. I got my Dominicana that's in the seventh floor. She's up. They all escaped. It was like TSA getting in here. I see people that never, ever wanted to sit in on an episode today. They're just seriously. It's extra female-headed, David. How does it feel to know that you could take any guy's wife in the world? Like, what is feeling like, Jess?
4:07I don't think about it like that. You have to. You have to a little bit. I mean, you know, knowing is enough sometimes. It don't mean you got to do it. No doubt. You know what I mean? See, I never knew that. Like, I know I'm not ugly, but I never knew, like, I never knew enough. Like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, you know, I had to chase my wife for weeks. Yeah, for sure. You know, I mean, you just wanted him like, yo, I got you. You just go like this.
4:37Let's talk to my brother. Growing up in Chicago, first of all, how was that? That shit was rough. I mean, that was the 80s crack era Chicago. I mean, I left in junior high because it was wild. And my mom wanted me to survive it. But it was real. I mean, I'm so grateful for it. I had an incredible childhood. It was just, it was the 80s. Where you moved to Chicago? I moved from Chicago to Massachusetts. I moved. Yeah, I became a nigga real quick. That was like a crowd thing? That was my parents got divorced. My mom moved to a different art school. And I got a whole lot of family in New England. I think she just wanted to be closer to family because we were kind of isolated.
5:14Are you like Cape Verdeans? No, there's mad Cape Verdeans. Mad Cape Verdeans? In Bedford, mad Cape Verdeans. Everybody thought I was Cape Verdean. I mean, everywhere I go, I think I'm them. Puerto Ricans think I'm Puerto Rican. Brazilians think I'm Brazilian. You know what I mean? Like, you're bled in everywhere. You're getting them where this guy is. First of me, I'm not speaking Spanish. He got that shit. You didn't even move. You can throw a fucking Habaja on and go in Dubai and be a Dubai guy. I'm saying. That's where he is. I guess that's next. That might be the next move. everything. Then, you went to Temple?
5:48TU? Went to Temple University, yeah. What was that? Temple was dope. That was a good, that was a good time too because it was, I was at Temple right when like the roots were taken off. Erica, Jazzy Fat Nasty's, Common, Blackstar, everybody was there. Everybody was there. I was there for all that, Soul Quarians, D 'Angelo, like there was just like this renaissance, free shows everywhere, every night, Jazzy Fat Nasty's, Five Spot, like, you would just see real music ill hip hop all the time you know shout out to like you know Electric Factory Joe Scott fell in love with Joe Scott there like and we had our basketball team was nice too that's when we had like Pepe Sanchez, Quincy Wadley we played Lamar Odom at URI we played them like we made like the Elite 8 live on TV it's our motto is T-U motherfuckers so that didn't really work well for ESPN it was like live on ESPN And they never came back.
6:42But we had Coach Chaney. No doubt. We had Coach Chaney. Yeah, those were good years. And I taught high school in Philly for a few years. What was that like? That was dope. That was the best job I ever had. You know, I taught high school in the hood. Explain that to us. Just for the love of the kids? Yeah, for the love of the kids, for how important it was. Badass kids. I'm being hauling. Yo, there were some badass kids there, too. They got the metal detector in the fucking from first to sixth grade. We had that, too. I had two kids with a loaded gun in my class. That's a high school. And I looked like I was in high school.
7:15I was in my early 20s. They had guns. We had a daycare center. They had babies. Kids in the school had babies. Oh, yeah, we had a daycare center. Like, it was, yeah, a lot of girls were pregnant. It was real shit. It's where we came from. So it was like, I was that badass kid. Like, it was, I've definitely had my life turned in the right direction by great teachers before. And I was trying to do that. Like it was, it was beautiful work. It was important. I had really great students. I taught like, you know, I turned every class. I was a sub long-term sub at first and I would have turned everything into African history.
7:46And it was, and it was beautiful. It's just changed. But it's such a lack of that, right? Because right now I just saw, they have a museum right now when they trying to like erase African American history, basically make it. They just got the gun that killed Emmett Till. The person who found it is also the guy who wrote the book about Emmett Till. And he says there is no mention of Emmett Till in no history book in the whole school system throughout the civil rights era, nothing like that. So it's so important to teach African-American history to the youth because we don't know. Like, you know, I argue with these people all the time.
8:31And I'm like, you know, sometimes I'm in the car and somebody says something. I'm saying, do you know the traffic stop was created by a black person? Yeah. Do you know the plasma was Charles Richard doing? None of this shit works if they know what we created. Like the whole hustle of the society and white supremacy, the con doesn't work if you actually understand the role, the contributions that black folks have. And it don't work. And it shit don't start with slavery. If you learn where Greece actually studied, where Rome actually studied, what they learned in Africa, where institutions and mathematics and all these things came from.
9:03It's not just like to feel good. It's the actual history is foundational of all this shit. Empires rise and fall. You know what I mean? Like we're in one that's going to fall. I hope we don't. Not while I'm here. Yeah, but being able to fall. Being able to. Every empire falls. Yeah. Like, so, you know how we feel like this is America and can't nobody come blow us up. We saved this. That's bullshit. It happened to every empire in the past. Yeah. You know, and and what's crazy is I just came back on a flight from Dubai with a couple that went to Egypt. There's one place I've never been to that I always want to go.
9:43Yeah, me too. And I was talking to them and they were like, yo, you know, King Tut. Like, I find this confusing. It was like, King Tut is still in the tomb right there. You could see him. And I'm like, how could you see King Cut? Didn't he die like 10 ,000 years ago? Don't he? Like disintegrate and all that? But the main thing about it was they were explaining that the pyramids were made so that if there's an earthquake, it sways with the earthquake. You can't blow them buildings. Them buildings won't fall. They've survived everything. And I've seen they had AC. You know how hot it is? In fucking Egypt?
10:21Yeah. The pharaohs and all that, AC, they figured out how to make AC all these years ago with a water system and all that. Yeah. These guys were brilliant. Anomalies. I'm not lying. Uh-oh. Google, oh, my God, he threw a flag on the plate. My house still, my AC don't work sometimes. How the hell they had AC all week? They had ventilation. They had air. They had air shafts. You know what I'm talking about. Talk to them, educator. Tell them. Keeping it shaded. Keeping it shaded. I mean, these things are temples connected to the star, the constellations. He explained it the right way. Yeah. You made it seem like they got sent you in like we got.
11:01They just plugged that shit in, Jada. It's 12-12. It's 140 degrees outside. Yeah. There's a way for you to make it cool? I got that adapter. The point is, there's been extra extraordinary intelligence with Africans, African-Americans that they don't teach them. So you're a school teacher in Philly and you're teaching the kids that. Absolutely. Every chance you get. I mean, I'm teaching, I'm showing them, you know, figures in African history, including Kemet, black as they are, with corn roads that are the leading irrigators, astronomers, architects, city planners, physicians, surgeons, all these things well before Europe came out of the dark ages.
11:49And you just watch your students, just like I did when my dad was teaching this to me, posture change, lifting up, like asking questions now involved. Like it includes me. It's the only element of school that includes you. And it's telling you that you already been here. You already had, you didn't come from the mud. You ain't come from slavery. It's the beginning of nothing. That's the end of something. And our confidence, and it's not just for us. You think, you know, if white kids and everybody else, also had to learn that we invented you can't walk through this country without touching 10 things that an African invented that affects you.
12:24Why don't we mention something that come to mind just so for the kids that's watching right now. Elevator, refrigeration, early cell phone technology, what'd you say? You said traffic light. Louis Latimer and the light bulb, the actual work with Edison, when in Lynn was hired to go light all in London. They don't know that. That's right. That's right. Charles Drew. Charles Slatterman, Pooh, I don't care. Charles Drew did a lot from medicine. Let's see. Cruz on Edison. What I'm saying to you is, and I was thinking the other day, I said, man, you know, Tupac and Biggie were young kids. Yeah. Right?
13:01And - 26 and what, 25? Yeah, but whatever came to their mind, like Tupac was talking about real shit that happens right now and Big 2. And so, So back in that day, right? Because I was trying to think like, other than his family being Black Panthers and stuff like that, I was like trying to think of him and Biggie. They was talking to him about issues that was happening at the time. And then I thought about it and said, well, you know, we was coming right off of Karras One, Public Enemy, Queen Latifah. Poor Righteous Teachers. That whole Poor Righteous Teachers. All that conscious movement. So they were more like the lyricists, but they were including consciousness in the music.
13:45I see a lack of that, unless I don't know, with the youth today. Like I see a lack of that, you know, at least we caught that in our era, you know, talking about like when he made a song like Why, but Why comes from, you know, he's of that era. People in front of them. And so it's very important that we teach our history. why do you think why do you think that do you think we can get that level of musicality back that level of songwriting where it's about just love and real shit in our community from that that entire era I would say we have to go the way you went about teaching your class like when when we're amongst each other and you make it sound interesting yeah interesting and they want to learn then the posture change yeah then the music would change right so lead them by example maybe a couple OGs need to do something just to see that it is cool that there is something in our culture that's how you start to spread something you gotta leave what I believe is cool is you can't be about money because the way hip hop is fucked up is it just it went from an art form that was created by poor people in the Bronx don't don't hey i'm from the bronfs baby we invented this shit we won't have these couches in this motherfucker without the bronze it wasn't for the bronfs this crap shit never don't do that but what he know i try to pluck it every time but the truth is it came from an art form where these people unfortunately our pioneers who started this they never got their money or they just do no because they did it out of love and if they would do it 10 times again 100 times again, they will go in there and party for free again.
15:35And so this conscious movement of this time right now can't be currency based because now people is all thinking about, let me get one hit and I'm going to make my money. It's a bag. It's a lick. They're not preserving the culture. They're not so much about teaching the youth or whatever. So it got to be a group of people, a group of people. A collective decision. Yeah, they're saying, yo, fuck money. And you can make money because you're making good music. You can make money, but you don't. Good music makes good music but you got to be inventive and creating the actual balls. It might be our job to fund that.
16:10It might be our job to fund that movie. Y 'all, we going to donate. We make a lot of money. Yeah. Let's donate some money towards those guys who's trying to give the positive message and ain't making no money. It's not even about the money. Like you said, you have to show them firsthand. That is cool. And then it starts. Well, I think, what about it also we have to remember and make it on anti-blackness has got to be uncool this like there's how many niggas you can destroy us just killing each other and eviscerating each other and i think it was a young brilliant brother you know vince staples he said in an interview it was good to hear from a young a young artist mouth like the mcs used to rap about having a sling crack right having to be alchemist and create something out of nothing having a having and a push dope.
16:58And now it's the drug users. Now it's the drug addicts making music about being addicted to drugs and using drugs. And that's the shift because we're all listening. We're absorbing it. Those high school kids are rapping it. We memorize it. You can't memorize your time stables or the history, but you know the song. They had a kid out of Philly, Brilliant. Yeah, that kid was nice. All he rapped about was positive. Really positive, beautiful brother. Just gave him two blocks in Philly. Yeah. Two street blocks. You know, but that right there touched me. because this kid, he was doing that. Yeah, he was.
17:31He was one of the few doing the conscious movement. It wasn't enough, though. It wasn't enough behind me. He was alone. He was the under, you know, it's more of the negativity than him. He was the outcast man in it.
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18:28your first breakthrough came through new york acting showcase what was that tradition that was you know i had just started again i didn't start i was teaching up and i didn't start really acting till i was in my late 20s um and i got this uh i was working at a law i was working at law firms in new york and i hit up an old agent an old commercial agent to see if you could put me on just to try to really act and um i got a small agency and they sent me to this ABC did a like a diversity showcase and make a little spot where they'll let non-white actors get a shot so we do a little we do little you know like a little it's your little area where you get to do your thing and you get to do a scene from a play and managers and agents will come and watch and um I've made a lot of lifelong friends from that showcase it was like 12 of us black actors black and brown actors that came up and um and then ABC would bring you to auditions like just just fuck up auditions I was just doing horrible at audition it pulled me aside like yo what are you doing why are you looking over there do this I because I didn't go to acting school and ever took an acting class I never even wanted to be an actor like I didn't have any training so they were a beautiful place that I could kind of just you know like help me make my mistakes there and gave me shots and shots and shots and then eventually years later I got a show on ABC from LA different office but still like that was I really appreciate it they really that gave me a big, I mean, New York gave me, that was where I, you know, cut my teeth.
19:55You know, you say you did some roles as thugs and criminals that pay rent. Well, it was funny because my first, my first like seven auditions were like robbing white people in like New York shows. And it was me. I watched my brothers, my homies, who actually have like far less options than that. Obviously, I get all the privileges you could possibly get as a black person like the way i look the way they prioritize the way i look which got nothing to do with me and i was still like cornrows like robbing some white person on a train like it's posted up outside the spot like and it was like damn y 'all like this is the only way in my whole life i have begged them to be a school bus driver or something they always make me a gang leader a fucking mafia a robber like i've never been a nice guy in a row i wonder if you're the only person that you asked a train conductor you were train conductor and something?
20:47Yeah. You know, I was looking at this shit. I think it was the Cardi B episode. You know, sometimes he's a real clever and witty guy. Sometimes it takes me to look at the video to figure out the shit he doing, right? I know. But you said, okay, this guy's a funny dude. He said that they put you on the TV. They made you wrestle in mud or some shit? Yeah, they made me wrestle in the mud. What is this, bro? On the show Queen. It's like another episode. for me to catch that. Queen? Yeah, the Queen show. No, remember the show Queen? Oh, Eve. And Brandy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They had a muscle. They had a muscle in the mud.
21:29The gun fell. I had to wrestle in the mud. It was freezing and raining. Oh, so you were strapping and it ended up in the mud. You weren't like in a ring with like jeans shorts on. No, he was wrestling. I was seeing that. It was raining outside the crib but it was mud. All right, so what level? That's a good question. It broke me. What won't you do? Acting. Because it's acting. But what won't you do? What role would you be like, yo, I'm not. I pass on roles all the time. I mean, but it's not. You won't do. You got to be fortunate. Could you let them in? I mean, I don't know. You know, my job is also, my job is to not be me.
22:04My job is to embody somebody else's life. So I'm open to, you know, doing scary shit that I wouldn't otherwise do. but it's definitely like, you know, I'm not doing shit that's detrimental to my people. You know what I mean? Like, that's the shit I don't do. Many times I've had to tell agents or producers, like, that's just racist. Not only am I not doing it, but take it out. By the way, he's over here telling me nothing. Yeah, you know. Ladies and gentlemen at home watching this, he telling me, let the man talk. I'm trying to conduct a real interview while he on. Yo. No, let him talk. Let him talk.
22:35No, no. Why? You got something in mind? No, because I love this. I want to say it's Ethan Hawke, right? Ethan Hawke's a great actor. But I loved him. But he played a predator, a child predator one time, and I never liked him again. I see what you mean. Who's acting? I see what you mean. Yeah, but it bothered me. Yeah. That means he did a great job. So there is sometimes playing like dirty motherfuckers, like playing some people, especially as like a parent, like something that looks like real evil. But in doing that - How does a movie like the guy who played with Tina Turner smacking an eye full of tape?
23:09How could you ever like him? If you get mad at him, that means it was effective. And also by portraying that person, you're bringing light to what it looked like so that you can have more attentiveness to that character in your life. It actually could be like a warning. Who's the guy who's the guy played in Training Day? That was Ethan Hawke. He fucked me up. Did a movie where he's a child predator. I never liked him again. To this day, when I see him, he pops up. I'm like, yo, I don't know. Like, I don't fuck with this guy. But you giving me a good perspective. You saying he actually nailed the part.
23:44Yeah. He did such an amazing job that he made it real for you. And it's like who we just lost. You would have knew that. You got some credit. Benzel didn't talk to RZA for the whole Frank Lucas. Right? So then when he went to the screen, he's like, you didn't speak to me for months. He told him, nigga, you was police. I was Frank Lucas. I couldn't talk. Yeah. So he's staying character till the whole movie's over. Let me ask this one question, right? Because I actually did some research with you, right? Don't do that. No, no, I just want to make sure the man... But in researching you, I researched some motherfucking African-American history.
24:32Okay. This woman, Shonda Rhimes. Yeah, G. Tell me about Shonda Rhimes. She's a G. Grey's Anatomy. Scandal. She created huge shows. She's still creating huge shows. She's skipping. In order. That's all good. Because I just want to keep it chronological. He was the teacher. Oh shit. Oh shit. He did the small roles. He did the thing. He did the small roles this morning. Yo this guy. After the small roles, after the, you know, they allowed them to mess up. But one of them is say about the woman. And he landed great. Then he can tell us about it. Yep. I landed that as soon as I came. I moved from Brooklyn to L.A.
25:19and got that gig. That was supposed to be like two episodes. I ended up doing 10 years on that show. Wow. And to have such an intelligent person as the creator, as somebody you can look up to and talk to. And she looked out for me, too. You know, when I gave that BET speech, everybody was trying to take my job, sign petitions and all this bullshit, crying, threatening my life, threatening my kids. Like I'd have I'd have 24 hour like armed guards and shit. They were threatening to kill me and all this stuff. And they were trying to get her to fire me. And she was she like posted like, hell no, that's not happening.
25:51Like, don't having a black boss is very valuable in moments like that. But more importantly, like, yeah, a wise, smart person with some vision. But she's incredible. And she created a show that's incredible. was still on 20 some years. But I think like 30, 39 % of women in medical school credit Grey's Anatomy with inspiring them to go to medical school. She's got to be in the textbook now, in high school. And speaking of which, putting black people in high ranking in roles without it being about race. Like just putting, maybe it was Isaiah Washington, Jim Pickens, you know, the character of Bailey, Chandra Wilson, that are like in powerful positions, highly intelligent, cerebral people that it's not about them neck jiving, demonstrating some bullshit like the stereotype version of Black people.
26:43Cosby Show was huge for that. The era was great. The era on TV, but then you came in a little more serious era. Yeah, that was a drama and that was a comedy. You need them both. I mean, we need everything. That's the thing. We need everything. I mean, there's a lot of pressure. I remember pressure back in the UPN days, WB, those networks, it was just comedies, comedies, comedies, comedies, and they got a lot of shit for Coonan and all that. And it was like, but that was the only place black people could work. And they're comedians. That's what they're doing. But when you only white folks got 170 channels that they can do everything and they can shoot up a school or bomb something and it doesn't affect their day.
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27:18But we one little channel can stereotype your whole people. So it's a different level of pressure. Can I ask the man a question? See, I asked four questions in a row. Somehow he became the librarian today. I'm just keeping it in order. You gotta have it. Skip, skip, skip. Order on a set. Get the fuck out of here with all the smart questions you got today.
27:45I do. Oh my God. Don't shoot me up. I'm your guy. Don't shoot me up. These flags were created for me. It's a brilliant idea. Because every time I go crazy, they throw a flag at me. They're like, yo, come back to earth. What you got? I don't know. I just forgot what I was about to fucking say. Do you want to take my smart board? No, no. My thing is, I was there when you gave the speech at BET. You were. Yes, I was in the audience. And pause, you blew my mind. And I was just like, I didn't know you. It's so funny people still say pause. That's their fault. These guys, they're the pause police. So if I step on shit, like, you know, there's some episodes like pause, pause, pause.
28:35This guy hides under the table because like, you know, I'll say some shit. Right. Like I'm a fuck up. But listen, you out there, you giving this speech. I just realized, because you know, we're not in your life. You got to live your life every day. He lives his life. I live my life. But I realized in the level of acting you're in, it's not like you're making TV flicks for BET. You're with white people all day grazing anatomy. So for you to come on the front line and make this beautiful speech, activism that that takes even more courage for you because i'm not siloed away from the power that yeah you you actually stood up for your people and then you went back to work on monday by then people in my life knew what it was you know what i mean like that's how i i was at that at that time i was on the news a lot i was in ferguson i was in florida i was we were losing a lot of a lot of young brothers and sisters like to at the hands of the police so i was on the news a lot popping that shit so like it wasn't a total surprise people who knew me the larger world who maybe only saw me play a character that was what kind of shook them up but that's all the more reason why I care so much is because you know I'm in many ways being biracial I mean I'm the invisible man I see I know and you know what else it is it's like being around white society and the way it works and I have been at pivotal points in my life.
30:05It's a real simple thing. I'm not scared of white people. And so many of us are terrified of white folks at the real core of it because it's a scary, powerful hammer that can flatten you and make you disappear in two seconds and then blame you. We see it happen all day, every day. I got some friends that are white. I got some friends that are Jewish that I love to death. I got friends that are Muslims I love to death, I'm all about the principle. I'm all about if you're good for me and I love you, I love you no matter what color, no matter what. I'm not going to stand there and tell you I'm scared of some guy because he's white or he's this, he's that.
30:43That's not me. I'm not running for that. I don't care. I'll go back to four chicken wings and french fries. I don't give a fuck. It's sad to feel that way, but that's who I am. I don't give a fuck. Like me, you can't scare me with position. You can't scare me with money, you can't scare me with none of that shit. Like me, I'm just like, yo, it is what it is. Like, I grew up so fucking poor, I'm not scared of being poor, guys. You already been there. I know. A lot of people don't understand that. We already been there. So you saying you half white, you grew up half white. You don't want to be poor right now.
31:16No, I don't. I'm going to actually say this the first time you threw that flag and you all right. That was a good flag. I drove there and just telling everybody. I was like, yo, we so fucking blessed, man. Yeah. What happened? Yeah, you pissed him off with that. You pissed Rich off saying that. No, I don't want to be poor. No, I don't know that. I just said that. He the last person in the world that wants to be poor. But it's not a mystery. You've been there. You know what it's like. So it can't scare you. It doesn't threaten you in that way as some terror, some monster that you haven't actually seen before.
31:52I feel you. I feel you. But I take your point. You know what I was saying. And it's like, there's a large, there's a fear. Cause you were talking about a fear and like a bravery. And I said, I didn't think about it that way because I was so familiar already and made myself clear. I started acting. I was a grown ass man. I had a many jobs from here, from Chicago, from Philly, everywhere else. I just happened to have a mic now. So I didn't, I just didn't change who I was. Cause you put a camera on me. I wasn't running from nothing or changing anything. And I think that just surprised folks. And it's also just this, how I grew up.
32:22I grew up in this acting came later. So I think that was just an unorthodox way in which to make your way onto a pre-deacher. I actually love your family tree or however we tracked from L.A. to Massachusetts to Philly. Yeah. I mean, you was in that shit. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I picked up a lot. Totally authentic. Very lucky. You know what I'm saying?
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35:44All right. You know what deserves more attention? The assists. Everybody talks about the goal. A big moment that gets replayed on the highlight reels. But too often, we overlook all the contributions and collabs that happen along the way. That's true in soccer and honestly, true in life. Halion is shining a light on the assists. An official partner of U.S. soccer, they got a whole lineup of brands ready to deliver for you. So here they are. Sensodyne, dentist-recommended defense of your sensitive teeth. Centrum, fueling your day with science-backed nutrients. Advil, of course, powerful inflammation-fighting pain relief.
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36:57My first book was Divergent. And when that came out, like, because it was so popular, I think it attracted, like, mostly positivity. but the negativity I sucked in like a sponge. And I think it was like critiques of things I liked when I was like, you know, I was 23 and I wrote this book and it had all my like dorky little cheesy or maybe unrealistic loves in it. And I started to feel a lot of shame about those things. And so for the rest of my career, I steered away from those little things that like make you feel pleasure when you read. But I also was like saying no to these parts of myself that I then was like, screw it.
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38:50Let's do a teller. We got to do a toast. So what? He could take anybody's new show, man. He got the new show. He's going to tell us. It's dangerous. This guy's a fucker traffic. You over here talking about taking people's wives. We over here promoting the new show, man. These girls over here, I've never seen before out here, man. The fuck are you talking about miss over there? Look, she ain't never been out here, man. She don't even work here. They don't even work here. They snuck in the fucking building. The glasses is cheap. We got the frosted glasses. You want to actually set where this guy's beauty?
39:25Look at the glasses. Danny, you're tough. We did many toasts. They never gave the chilled ones. Yeah, they gave the chilled glasses to Jeff. Only the best. Only the best. Joe said he don't want to be broke no more, so you got to act like it. No, I definitely don't want to be broke. We only do ace of spade toasts for major events and major things, so you know what I mean? We going to pour them first, and then we going to let y 'all know what's going on. Why are we doing this toast? There you go. Teamwork make the dream work. Water and fire make the steam work. You know what I mean? I forgot he's a rapper.
40:06Top five, dead or alive. Yo. Toast to Joe and Jada. Joe and Jada and also the other new show host. Hotel Costeera. Here we go. Hotel Costeera. Costeera. There we go. Don't talk about that. Jada's Italian. Never got that. Jada's Italian. Hotel Costeera. Yeah, Santa Fe Siena. We might need Joe and Coste too. You need me on season two, baby. Cheers. Tell us about this Hotel Costellana. Very important. Hotel Costellana. Look, you know, speaking of all this shit we talk about, a lot of my life is real serious. I always got social justice and a lot of things going on. I wanted to make something light.
40:44I wanted to get out the country. It's a big world out there. We get trapped in this bubble thinking it needs to be. This is the big, there's a big, big, beautiful world out there. I wanted to go make something somewhere else and make something light and easy. so much of my shit is you know dead serious focused urgent important and that's valuable but i wanted to make something that's kind of like growing up as a kid i like action movies right running around kicking some ass beautiful places 80s 90s shows so it's about this guy daniel de lucas a former marine italian born italian but grew up in the u.s black white italian american a street a hood kid in naples as a kid but then now he's in the military 20 years fire And he got kicked out.
41:25And now he's just trying to like figure out what to do with his life. Don't have no family. Don't have nothing. Goes back to where he was born and just kind of like, as they say, like licking his wounds, just trying to figure out what to do next. Takes a job at a luxury hotel, just handling business, fixing shit for people, rich people, making sure people are good. And then the hotel owner's daughter goes missing. So he's hired to find her. So he's like solving cases in this beautiful Amalfi Coast. And he speaks Italian. I speak Italian in the show. I'm the only American in the show. We got Italian, Spanish, English, French, Libyan, like, you know, a whole cast of characters.
42:00And he's just on this adventure, trying to save the missing girl, but also solve cases for guests. And it's just easy, beautiful whipping speedboats, motorcycles, caseratis, you know what I mean? Just like, Mr. Whippin'. I look at the trailer. The trailer is like James Bond with the transporter, with MacGyver, with some other fly shit, Magnum T. He's fucking fired, though. his job. I don't know about him, but I'll say the truth. I'll say my truth. I don't know about him, but I have taken the fact that we travel for granted. Because I don't like flying. And boy, we got to talk about that right now, about going to Mongolia.
42:40So I don't like flying. It's my biggest fear on Earth. I just told you I ain't scared of nobody. I'm fucking terrified. The minute that shit go like this, I'm like hugging the next person, praying. No one gives more prayers than me on a plane than anybody. I am TD Jakes on a plane. So you take a sleeping pill and just pass out? I don't. I don't. How do you deal with that? I don't use drugs either. Okay. So I just suck it out. God, thank you for facing my fear. Yeah. God, I love you. God, look at this little baby, please. Crying my dread eye. If you're, if, if, if, you know, I'm Jesus Christ, but let's obey the Jewish guy praying over there.
43:19Like I want for everybody to get there safe, right? My thing is I'm preaching. I'm Joe Lowe's thing on the board. It's over, right? But my point is I went to jail for four months, right? And I complained about going to Europe. I complained about going to all these places. But when I would sit up in my bunk and look out the little window, I would just think about how beautiful the streets was in Italy or the streets in Germany. And one of the only things I really missed was being abroad in these places that I used to be like, fuck this shit. I hate it. They smoke too many cigarettes. I used to have number complaints.
44:00Yeah. But in that four months, I just would think about just walking down the street in Italy or Rome or something and be like, damn, that shit was so fly. Yeah. And so you get to do a TV show over there. It's pretty cool. And the food was amazing. Food was amazing. Food was not only amazing, but like I was eating pasta and bread and all that shit all day. Every day lost 13 pounds. Yeah. Because it's real food. All that shit is pumped with all this enriched bullshit. And so many of them said that when they come to America, they get they get sick. They get fat. Even if they're trying to eat well.
44:38When we go there, you eat like crazy and you and you're fine. And so, Jess, I wore glasses on purpose because I didn't want you to feel bad about being the only person with green eyes, too. Because I got a juke out there. Joey, green eyes. Joey, green eyes. Come on, man. Yo, this shit coming for more. Yo, what? Shameless plug, baby. Yo, I got the green. I got the green. My son be like, yo, damn, dad, why you ain't give me the green eyes? I said, yo, it wasn't my choice. my point we got to go back to the today i just came back from mongolia yeah talk about right and mongolia why were you in mongolia beautiful people i had a concert we love hip-hop dope these people were incredible people yeah anybody who could have the distance on a plane it's worth it go to mongolian beautiful beautiful people shout mongolian people they love hip-hop they love you guys they asked about you to show you know everybody thinks i got this guy in the head now.
45:38Yeah. Joe and Jay. They think I bring the guy in my backpack. You might hire Fat Joe. They think I got him in the backpack. Send me back over there. Let's go. But the point is, I have one friend that I think of. He's dumb. Right? No, no, no, no. He's one of my best friends. No, no, no, no, no. Don't get more. Throw the flag. Throw the flag. You got a whole season, Joe. Come on. He's. We didn't know where you were going with that. No, no, no, no. you know what I'm talking about. He's the most loyal, most best guy in the world, but he's not that bright. Got it. And then sometimes I'm jealous of him because ignorance is bliss.
46:21Sometimes when you dumb, you don't even know the danger. Yeah. Now, I fly to Mongolia where you got to go. I went because I like breaking up the trips. So I go to Dubai, chill one day. You like to get as many flights in as possible because you love flying so much. Break that shit that 18 hours I ain't doing. So I go to Dubai, 13 hours. Five hours to Turkey. Where everybody got their hair shit going on. Everybody in the whole... Listen, Turkey got the best airport in the world. But it's so weird when you're at the food court. Yeah. And every guy got like a line. Same scar, the same line. Everybody's going over there to fix their hair.
47:00That's the spot. Yes. But it's like so normal. Yeah. I guess it's like going to Columbia, girl, you know, every girl's in the airport. BBL's out. Yeah. Like in Turkey, all the guys are going to get their hair done over there. So you eating fucking Popeye's and the guys in front of you got the fucking hair. Everybody walking through. I'm like, yo, this shit is crazy. Yeah. But, um. You didn't think about it while you were there. You're like, fuck it, I'm already here. If I had an ear right now, first of all, my name wouldn't be Fadjo. My name would be Hadolfo. And my shit's curvy like this. The part right here with the...
47:37If I could grow hair, it'd be so disrespectful. It'd be disrespectful. I'm saying. No, I ain't going to do it for that. Fat Joe, he don't even look right if he get here. But the point is, I go to Dubai, the bag was legend. So, nah, the bag was legend, guys. We going shopping later. The wife is ready. We go shopping. She's tuned in. She's staring at the window. He coming. He got the bag, right? Ain't no lie. I forgot my brother just told me. Yeah, they hate, they say I blow too much money. But listen, I go Emirates, my favorite airline, right? Then I got Turkey Airlines. So Turkey Airlines, one of the best airlines.
48:17Food was amazing. So I'm comfortable. No matter where I'm going, I'm going Mongolia. I could go to Somalia, wherever I go. If I'm in them credible airlines, it at least helps after that. Absolutely. Absolutely. We do Mongolia. They feed us. By the way, Mongolian beef is a myth. They don't have that over there. The Mongolian beef we eat in the Chinese place here, we went over, it's not even Mongolia. It's like General Style chicken. It's like pizza being fake. You get to Italy to realize they don't got pizza. We landed, everybody had the same idea. Yo, we want Mongolian beef. They was like, yo, that shit ain't, that shit don't happen here.
48:53That ain't us. You want a ribeye? That ain't us. You want a New York? No Mongolian beef, guys. That shit was invented in Nebraska. When you go to the ghetto Chinese worldwide, There's no such thing as Mongolian beef. That's what I learned. Number two is, so we go, we do the show. These people treat me like a million dollars. I don't know how to tell you. Mongolian people, some of the nicest people in the world. The next morning we go to the airport. We got the greeter. We in the lounge. And then I realized, I'm like, and they're like, yo, Joe, what's wrong? And my face is off. You could read me when I was there.
49:25They're like, I realize we're flying back to Dubai and Mongolian airlines. Uh-huh, which you had never heard of. And if you're watching that side of the world, it's them Asian planes that keep sinking in the middle and missing the shit. This is why I tell you ignorance is bliss. This is where the racial profiling comes from. Yeah, not racial, plane racing. It's them Asian planes going down out there, like the biggest shits that go there. I don't know what it is. but at that point I'm like damn they fucked me man I thought I was going back Turkish yeah yeah you know what I mean I'm in the Asian shit I say yo everybody's like yo what's wrong I'm just like nah nah y 'all don't want to know what's wrong they like yo but what's wrong I say you know these the shits that go down these shits right here yo but listen I'm just saying to us so I get on the plane thank God great food smooth flight but I was terrified Mongolian beef.
50:24That's why I like to be ignorant, uh, uh, ignorance is bliss. Yeah. Yeah. Because I know. You about to say niggerance is bliss? Nah, nah. Niggerance is bliss. I mean, that's it. Nobody's never thought it out. Hey, if you're going to be ignorant, you might as well be with me. Yeah. Niggerance is bliss. Niggerance is bliss. That's the next single day. That's really crazy, y 'all. Yeah. That's fucking crazy. But the point is, uh, we made it back. Yeah. But, you know, it's my biggest fear, man. But, You know, shout out to Mongolia, man. These people were phenomenal, bro. No, I'm telling you. It's 30 degrees out there.
50:59I thought that plane was going down, but we made it. You know, it's the coldest place in the world. It's in between Russia and China. So when you see the Asians that got the fur hats on. Yeah, that Siberian shit. That's their winters. It's 50 degrees under. Yeah. So, you know. Yeah, brother, I'm sorry about that. We listen. We're short on time. Listen, my brother. What advice would you give a young, biracial American trying to find their place and their voice? It depends on what voice you want to find. Spend time with black folks. No doubt. The greatest answer to this. You know, just you can't go wrong.
51:36Just get with your people. I've seen this, and I don't want to talk like that. These are my friends, and I love them to death, and I'm not talking about nobody. But when the Black Lives Matter, I've got a niece. I'll call her niece. and she's half black, half white. And I seen her going through like understanding where she comes from and they had a hard time. Like, you know what I mean? This girl's beyond love. But she was trying to find herself in the middle of life. Where she fits. Where she fits. And this is a beautiful girl. She's smart, college now, everything. But I seen her go through it.
52:14Like questioning. I think people fall for like the false dichotomy. It ain't us versus them. It's not everything. The news used to be the news. Now it's just idiots talking and sharing opinions they feel and trying to make it us versus them. Bad versus good. White versus black. Ain't about all that. People trying to demonstrate that they might matter is because they love themselves and are trying to say, maybe don't squash me for no reason. Like that got nothing to do with disliking white people. It's got nothing to do with it. It's kind of, it's not about like this kind of invented battle going.
52:48It's not like we, it's just spreading love, loving yourself enough to demand respect. There's no people in the history of the world that ever gotten respect. They don't respect themselves and don't demonstrate it. Like that's, that's, that's what it comes down to. Everybody struggles with identity. I don't care what race you are. You're 13, 15. You're trying to figure out who you are. You want to listen to that new album. You want to be different, but you also want to be the same. You want to, you don't want to be isolated out, but you want to isolate yourself out and wear that cool thing and wear that cool shirt and people are trying to find themselves adults are trying to find themselves now i mean we don't know what we're doing we're trying to figure it out so just don't let i would just say to her i would just not not let the media try to convince you that uh just because somebody you know freedom ain't pie if i get a piece i'm taking a piece from you it's not some locked in just giving other people access to the freedom life liberty that this country is so proud of doesn't mean they're taking something from you letting gay folks have rights don't mean it's taken your go ahead get married b like that got nothing to do it's got nothing to do with you nobody's taking anything from you there's always the people in power always exaggerate and pretend to play victim and if you need somebody to be quiet and shut the fuck up in order for you to do what you're doing then you're probably doing something foul with that being said hotel costiera that's all right that was pretty damn good hotel costiera i'm proud today we don't Not that much time.
54:05But I got two minutes. He could put us through it. What you got? I got the Cosby show of Good Times. I mean, my era, I grew up on the Cosby show. Cosby show is one of the greatest sitcoms ever. No. You take Cosby? You take Cosby on the Good Times? I've seen every episode. I take Good Times. That was your era. Sherman Hamsey. Was in your living room. Sherman Hamsey. So George Jefferson. Oh, George Jefferson. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, Joe. No, Joe. No, Joe. No, that's moving on up to the east side. I'm gonna say Sanford and Son or the Wayans brothers. Sanford and Son. Yo, that boy was the best. That's Red Fox.
54:46Yeah, that's Red Fox. I knew it. That's Red Fox. Sherman Hemsley. I called him Sherman. He's never getting too tight. I'm still trying to be Sherman Hemsley. Sherman Hemsley with a G. You see how he walking? He's cutting it up. That's walking my house. Give me that James Brown. Yeah. Walking my house. Yeah. with my shit. Yo, you better stop fucking with my... I want a baggy shit today. I like Sherman. Yo, that's a Sherman. Yo. That stanky leg. Go ahead, Joe. Oh, not you too. Different Strokes, Fresh Prince. I mean, again, you're getting me with the generational shit. I didn't watch Different Strokes.
55:25I'm not that old. It was on. It was on. It was on, but I wasn't like... It wasn't like, I wasn't 13 years old. Like, what'd you say? What was the other one? Fresh Prince was my adolescence. Like that was, I could see it eye to eye. Different stroke, I catch reruns. You know what I mean? Yeah. What you want to say, brother? Because you've been running this old. Because you know I've been looking for you. I've been looking for you. Facts of life. Hold on. I've been looking for you. This my shit. Rewind the tech. What's that? Where you write like the time? Yeah, while you can rewind the time. I want to put you on a box.
55:59I own this company. Rewind it. Travis Kelsey, DJ Kyle. You ain't win no bums. Nicky Jam, Tyson Blackford. It's a legend. Yeah. Who do I got to talk to to talk to this? What does this do? Is this like this painting your skin? You make money while you sleep. Okay. I like that. You have my curiosity. Now you got my attention. You know what I'm saying? Because I see you leave a couple of whites over there. Yo, Jada, hold up. I got a lot of whites. I ain't get a dick. Why don't you? This is the half white part right here. Why look at 43 when you could be 32? Why look 32 when you can be 22? Why fight the time while you can rewind the time?
56:34I'm going to do some research. I'm going to do some research. It's a strong pitch. It's a very strong pitch. We killing them, CVS, Sally. He's every stop and shot. Now, yo, Jada, I need him on the box. Jada want to be on the box. So he's trying to push you out. He needs that one. He needs that one. Yo, this ain't that. That ain't this. It's cracking kiss. I guess Jesse Williams Hotel Costiera on Prime that's some Italian check it out make some noise thank you appreciate it
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From the publisher
Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by 'Grey's Anatomy' star Jesse Williams. Joe and Jada ask Jesse about his new show 'Hotel Costiera' on Prime Video, showrunner and titan of the television industry Shonda Rhimes sticking up for him when fans wanted him off 'Grey's Anatomy,' his college years in Philadelphia in the prime hip hop era with The Roots taking off, his lifelong activism for racial justice, and his speech at the 2016 BET Awards advocating for the Black Lives Matter movement.
3:00 - Joe & Jada acknowledge the sudden female audience in the room
5:30 - College years in Philadelphia & Philly hip hop culture
7:30 - Why it's so important to teach African history
11:00 - Great inventions credited to African-Americans
18:00 - Acting breakthrough & initial typecast roles
20:30 - Joe needs Jada to explain his mud scene in Queens
24:00 - Shonda Rhimes & 'Grey's Anatomy'
28:00 - 2016 BET Awards speech
39:00 - Toasting to his new show 'Hotel Costiera'
46:00 - Joe's crazy Mongolia trip
51:30 - Jesse's advice for young biracial kids
54:30 - Iconic Black TV show pick'em
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