Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis on Michael Jackson vs. Prince, Janet Jackson & New Edition stories, 2026 Vegas residency

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28:40I called Clarence and I said, hey man, they want me to be on the board of the Grammys. And he said, can we call something to show or no? Yeah, you can. Okay, I don't know. We try not to curse because of y 'all. You're respecting your elders. That's right. You're respecting your elders. I appreciate that. I appreciate it. No, Clarence said, motherfucker, better get your ass in there. That's a room they don't let us in. You better get your ass in that room. I was like, okay, cool. And I ended up becoming the first African-American chair for the Grammys. Wow. And so that was one of those things where once again, if Clarence hadn't planted those seeds in us and telling us the other things that we needed to do, we never would have known to do something like that.

29:25We wouldn't have been looking at stuff like that. You wouldn't have been ready for that. Well, you was ready, but you wouldn't even, you would have been like, yeah, I'm out here being a rock star. Yeah. Right. Fuck. I care about that. I said that to my wife. I said, I don't, I don't, I said, they want me to be on a board, man. I don't want to be on a board. And she says, what are you talking about? Cause I think I was probably 40 at that point in time. And she said, you're 40 years old. That's what the kind of stuff you're supposed to be doing. I was like, Oh, okay. You haven't noticed this stuff comes with age.

29:51Yes. It's the worst. Yes. The worst shit in the world. It's the worst, but it's the best. It's the best because they be like, you're really going to get rich when you're 50. And I'm like, yo, bro, I can't even enjoy it. I'm really going to be rich when I can't even enjoy this shit. Fuck. My family's really going to be rich at some point because I'm fucked. Would y 'all want me to play shuffleboard on the fucking boat? Shuffleboard. Yeah. Yeah, but going to be some first class shuffleboard. It's going to be the best. You're going to have the best equipment, man. Yeah, yeah. Thank God, man. Let me tell you something, boy.

30:30We too blessed, man. Yeah. You guys, some of the biggest records in the world. See, you mentioned something earlier, right? And you said you worked with Prince and Michael Jackson. But the thing is, you didn't just work with these guys. Y 'all made hits with these guys. Some people work with people. You know what I mean? And they miss. hit it out the park every single time. And like I'm saying, every time I heard, you know, me, I'm music all day. I'm in the house all day. My mom's just here. She's on that. She's listening to it all day. We listen to music for all day, not just hip hop. I'm actually more of a R &B guy.

31:17And all the music that I ever loved, when I went to your show, I'm like, fuck, they did that one. They did everything you ever loved. They did that one. They did that one. They did that one. They went, what the fuck? I walked out of there. I was mesmerized, man. I was just like, and I knew your catalog, but then when you come with the Sounds of Blackness, huh? I'm like, man. My sample. That's like the Black National Anthem. My first album, my sample. Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. you know when people say what's your favorite song that's always a tough one because there can be reasons that things can be a favor it can be the result of the song if it you know does well or it could be the process of making the song could be great there's all kind of different things but the way i always put it is if there was a time capsule that said jam and lewis on it and a hundred years from now i don't know the aliens or whoever's left comes down and opens it up what would be the song you would want to play and it would be optimistic by sounds of blackness because to me, it was everything.

32:25It told you everything about us, but also the effect that it had on people. Like people, there's people we meet every single day that just come up to us and they'll go, that song got me through college or that song got me through whatever. And to me, that's, we always call it, music is the divine art is the way we say it. And to me, that's what music should be. You know, it should be something to get people through their day or make them uplift them when they need it and that kind of stuff. So that one is Optimistics number one. But we also have a 1A that I know Terry always said. Yeah, 1A would be Open My Heart by Yolanda Adams.

33:00Yeah. You know, that one is gospel. Yeah. Yeah. Well, spiritually. Spiritually, yeah. Spiritual too. You've done so many hits, but you get a lot of credit for the work with Janet Jackson. that you guys are like, so I got a guy, his name is Scott Storch. He pretty much hit my biggest hits. Philly. Philly, you're right. And then Kool and Dre came after, but my biggest hits is Scott Storch. I never lost with him. And so y 'all got that, Janet Jackson, y 'all. Chemistry. Chemistry. It's like Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre. You know, it's like, you know, you guys, Janet will forever be known for being with you guys and you guys with her more than anything else.

33:51And was that like a plan or was it just she was like, yo, come on guys. I don't know. When I looked at y 'all, I could always see Janet there. Yeah. Well, Janet was, first of all, Janet was a huge fan of the time. And I remember we played LA. We actually played the Long Beach Convention Center, if I remember correctly, because we weren't allowed, Prince didn't allow us to play the forum. Because back in the day, now this is before social media, people would read reviews in the newspaper. And all the reviews in the newspaper around the country was basically the time was kicking Prince's ass. And so that was cool in, you know, Charlotte, North Carolina, somewhere small.

34:33But you didn't want the New York Times to say that and you didn't want the LA Times to say that. So we never were allowed to play at Madison Square Garden when Prince played. And we were never allowed to play at the Forum, which was the place in LA when Prince played. So I remember we played, I think we played Nassau Coliseum or somewhere in New York. And we played, you know, Long Beach Arena in LA. Yeah, in the outskirts. But anyway, Janet came to the show, her and her mom were sitting front row. She knew every lyric to every song. They were partied. And we were like, okay, cool. So we met her afterwards.

35:05She came back in the dressing room. She was so nice. Couldn't have been nicer. And then later on, John McClain, who recently passed, unfortunately, he was an A &R director at A &M Records. There was another artist we were supposed to do at A &M Records, but she didn't want to work with us. So he said, is there anybody else on the roster you want to work with? And we said, well, who's on the roster? So he sends the roster. Now, this is on a fax machine for those of y 'all that remember those. he faxes the list. So he faxes the list. Terry and I go down the list. Our name, our fingers stop on Janet Jackson.

35:39And we called John and we said, John, we want to do Janet Jackson. He said, cool, cool. You want to do a couple of songs? We said, no, we want to do the whole album. He said, you do? We said, yeah. He said, okay, cool. So we got in a meeting with her and stuff and her dad was there. And her dad said, you guys are from Minneapolis. And we said, yeah. He said, Prince is from Minneapolis. We said, yeah. He said, don't have my daughter sounding like Prince. Like, okay, Mr. Jackson, you got it. So we had her come to Minneapolis, man. And it was like, it was revelatory for her because it was just her and her girlfriend.

36:12It wasn't bodyguards, wasn't limos and stuff. We got her a car to drive. We got her a Thomas because there's no GPS in this day. So she had to figure out how to get from the hotel to the studio, to blockbuster video, to wherever she wanted to get to. So literally control, when she's talking about going out on our own, the experience in Minneapolis was part of that process. And then we sat around for three or four days, man, just like this and just talk. We went to the beach. We went to the lakes. We went to clubs and stuff. And then she said, when are we going to start working? And we said, oh, we started working.

36:47And we showed her the opening lyrics to Control. When I was 17, I did what people told me, did what my father said and let my mother mold. When she saw those lyrics, she said, oh, wait, so we're going to write about whatever we talk about? I said, yeah. And she said, oh, well, I want to talk about this and I want to talk about this. And that put the light bulb in her head like, oh no, this is going to be your album, not stuff we're writing for you, but you're going to be part of the creative process. And that to me was the most important thing that I think we did for Jan was really give her, ask her her opinion on stuff.

37:19Like, do you want to sing this? Do you like this? And then we also wanted to, in the analyzation of it, I guess you could say, because we were very analytical about the people we work with. We liked when Janet was really young, she had all this attitude, right? When she was on the variety show with her brothers or doing the Sonny and Cher show and all that, you'd always see her and she always had this feisty attitude. But then her music was kind of soft, you know? We were like, let's give her some aggressive music and get that feisty attitude back. So I remember when we did the track for Nasty and she was like singing it like, you know, sitting in the movie show.

37:54And we were like, no, no, no, no. Sing it like, the other day she had a cold like right before that. Sing it like when you had the cold. Like sitting in the movie show, like that. And she said, really? She said, yeah. And so she sang it. I remember we copped the vocal up and the next day she heard it. She was like, okay. So we got the trust factor instantly. And the rest is history. I mean, Control album only took, it's 40 years old, just turned 40 this year. control is only took six weeks to do. And as she'll say, four weeks of the six weeks, we were just hanging out. We weren't even really working.

38:29So literally it was like a two week album to put that together. Man, that's amazing, man. Let me say, we keep talking about Minnesota. I'm thinking about Morris Day and these guys. Love Morris. Nah. Yeah. What happened? Nah, man. I like Morris Day. Morris Day. That guy's a character. I love Morris. Yeah, he was special, huh? He's the best, man. And y 'all grew up with him too, right? Yeah. Right? What a lot of people don't know about Morris, man, besides being a great front man, he's a world-class drummer, that dude. Yep. A lot of the Prince records, the drums that you hear, that's Morris. Wow.

39:14Controversy, Let's Work. Yeah, that's Morris Day on the drums. Oh, he can drum. Yeah. like unsung hero. Yeah, yes, sir. What can we expect from this Vegas residence? Oh, that's going to be. Hey man, nothing but hits brother. Nothing but hits. Nothing but hits. I mean, it's almost across the world. Nothing but hits.

39:41So we're starting August 7th. It's our opening weekend. And then we're doing a week day of that next week, which is the Wednesday, I think the 12th. And then it's basically 14, 15, 16, and then 21, 22, 23. So 10 shows total. We did six shows already and we sold out and they said, can you do 10 more shows? We said, yes, we can. So we're looking forward to it. And I got to tell you, man, it's a lot of fun because we go through kind of the history, but the way I, my analogy for it is always like the chef's table at a restaurant. So if there's a restaurant you really like and you like maybe a couple of the things that the chef makes, but you actually get to watch the chef make the food.

40:24And then you can go, oh, oregano, that's what he puts in there. And you know the technique of how it's done. It gives you a whole different appreciation because now you know why you like, as opposed to, oh, I love that song. That's what we do. So it's not like you go, oh, I love that song. But it's like, I love that song because I know this story behind it or I know the way that it was made or what happened. So we do that, but we do kind of crazy stuff. Like I'll sit at the piano. We'll do name that tune. We'll ask the audience to name a tune. We'll let them sing along with it. We'll do that kind of thing.

40:57And then we always have Ruben Studdard and we always have Shonnie Wilson, who are two of the best singing performers. Because they have to perform everything, right? So if you're Ruben, you got to hit some Usher. You got to hit some Alexander O 'Neill. You got to hit some Johnny Gill. You know what I'm saying? You got to hit all that. And if you're Sean East, you know, you got to hit. That's my motherfucking man right now. Who's that, O 'Neal? Mine too. Oh, yeah, that's too. Shit! Yeah. Woo! Yeah, man. Alexander on there, I forgot they did that. And you said you told us. They did everything. If you were here tonight, that's.

41:33Yeah. Yo, let me tell you something, man. I don't. Yo, Alexander. And I just feel like he's a real one. I don't know him. Oh, he is quite real. Yeah. Yeah, when I hear his music, I feel like that's a real one. You know what I'm saying? He's a real one. Stephanie Mills is my favorite. I just saw a video of her on Instagram today. I reposted. When she was 22, she was just a little girl. And she was killing it. I remember one time, you know, I got a special relationship with her. She was telling me about when she was growing up. And I told her one time, I said, Steph, I wish I was your age when you was going through that.

42:13I had your back. Yeah. She looked at me for real, Joe. I said, man, I'd have had your back. Yep. I love that. Yeah, bro. Yeah, bro. I love that. It's that. But, you know, especially, you know, all the artists. And all the artists are crazy, right? Do you agree or no? In different levels. Everybody's crazy in a different way. Yeah. Every great artist, every one of our friends are fucking crazy. Me too. Yeah, you too. No, everybody's crazy. I don't know. Is that a common denominator? Because everybody... But creative people, man, it's a whole different thing. Terry and I always build in what we call the Excedrin budget into the thing.

43:05Because it's like some people we know, oh, this is going to be a headache. But we still want to work with them. We still want to do our thing, man. And I just want to mention, by the way, because we mentioned Ruben, but I got to mention Sharnese Wilson. So Sharnese handles everybody, all the female vocals that we've ever done, you know, from Cheryl Lynn to Cheryl. What's Sharnese's number one hit personally? Oh, I love your smile. Yeah. She does that. She does that in the show.

43:40How does it feel? If you're a human being, I'm talking to the audience, and you got ears and you love music, they're responsible for, not most of them, but they have a song. One of those songs that's your favorite song or your mother's favorite song or anybody's, your favorite song, they had something to do with it. or they need it. What you wrote for New Edition? I know what you wrote, but I want you to tell the people. Yeah. Well, New Edition, actually, funny enough, we actually did a song that people won't know. It was the first time we worked with them. We did a song called Helplessly in Love, which was on the Dragnet soundtrack.

44:23I don't know. And I remember when they asked us to do that, they said, hey, do you guys want to work with New Edition? And we were like, yeah, we'd love it. And they said, well, we got the soundtrack. We said, cool. And we worked with them and we got along with them so great. And so we were like, couldn't wait to work with them again. And so when they said, hey, we want you guys to do the next album. And we were like, great. But the thing we did, and I will say this about producing. A lot of people think about producing as the technical side of things, but the human side of it is really more important because a lot of times you have to be, you know, whether it's a psychiatrist or a psychologist or a therapist or whatever, like that's sometimes - A chef?

45:01Yeah, a chef, yes. Yeah, you have to figure it out, you know. And I remember before we started the album, this was the album that Johnny Gill came into the group, the Heartbreak album. And I remember, you know, two of the guys, I think Ricky and Ralph were against Johnny joining the group. And Viv and Ronnie were for Johnny being in the group. So we were like, well, before we can tackle trying to make a record, we need to settle this, whatever this is. So I remember we're sitting in a conference room, Johnny sitting at the end of the table. And I said, okay, Johnny, here's what we're thinking.

45:35You're really not going to do any leads on this record because it's Ralph's group. So Ralph's going to do all the leads. How do you feel about that? I had no idea what he was going to say. And he said, that's cool. I'm a team player, man. Whatever you need me to do. Well, as soon as he said that, it lifted all of the tension in the air out. Because everybody was like, oh. They thought they had a new Jalen Brunson on their team. He going to have that ball in there. so then we knew we knew strategically that we needed to work him in it couldn't be like a jarring experience for people when they heard the album so we did If It Isn't Love and that was the first single and the reason we did it like that was because that was kind of the most new edition sounding record if you think about it If It Isn't Love I do I feel this way with the choreography Why does she stay on my mind And it was cool because Brooke, their choreographer, was in town with us when we were making the record.

46:37And he said, man, give me some shit I can choreograph some moves to. And that's why the little part that goes... That's why that's in there. So he could put some moves, some dance moves in there. So we did that as the first record. Then we did the next record we did was Not My Kind of Girl. And that song, we put Johnny in just a little bit. Kind of started doing some little ad-libs, you know, and that kind of stuff in it, right? And then we did Can You Stand the Rain. That's the third singer. That's the one. And Can You Stand the Rain for us was, Stylistics had a song called You Make Me Feel Brand New.

47:15You make me feel brand new. Yes, sir. So when that song came out, what I remember my impression of hearing it for the first time, I knew Russell Tompkins Jr. voice, the high singing dude. but Arian Love, the low singing dude, I'd never really heard him sing. So when that song came on the radio for the first time and I heard my love, I'll never, when I heard that, I was like going, wait, who is this, right? And then Russell comes in, only you. And I was like, oh, it's the stylistics. So that's what we wanted to do with New Edition. So when you heard Johnny go, on a perfect day, you wouldn't know.

47:55Who is this, right? Right. But then as soon as you hear, but I need somebody, you go, oh, it's new edition. So that was the way we were able to then incorporate Johnny into the group where it made some sense. So that was the strategic move. And Gerald Busby rests in soul. Every song you ever gave to an artist that I don't want to say you didn't want to give to him, but you was like. but you gave it to him baby face he wrote Roni about a real person so he had a relationship with this girl Roni and then L.A. Reid gave it to Bobby behind his back and he was like yo that man don't know about no Roni this guy's from the streets he ain't a troupe about Roni and I said yo he was just like yo like I knew Roni like she was a nice girl she would have never dated Bobby Brown.

48:51She was like, I swear to God. Yo, I swear to God. But was there ever a song like that for you guys that your hand did over and was like... You gave the right song to the wrong person? Just a song that they thought it could have went to somebody else or they thought, you know what I mean? No, no. Yeah, I can't think of one. I can't think of one. Well, there was one instance in the beginning, and that was Alexander O 'Neal. Oh, right. Right. which was a whole different singer that Clarence had sent to us. Yes. That he couldn't quite get it together. He said his voice was skipping for about a week or two.

49:29Yeah. And then after a while, we said, if you don't sing tomorrow or today or tomorrow, you can skip your ass back home. Right. I sent Tim a song to get on my new album. I almost told him he could skip his ass back home. Yeah. He said, I got you. Yeah, we brought Alex in the studio. I haven't got skipped back home in my life. Yeah, see? I'm about to skip back home. There you go. Well, yeah, Alex came in and sang about four or five songs in one night after he played all night in the club. Yeah. Yeah, we went and grabbed him. We said, hey, man, can you come? Because we told Alex, when the time formed, I will say this, when the time formed, originally Morris was going to be the drummer in the time and Alexander O 'Neill was going to be the lead singer in the time.

50:16And there was a dinner that happened with Prince and everybody and Alexander O 'Neill, who always talks in the third person, was like, you know, Prince, this record deal and everything's cool and everything, but you know, Alexander O 'Neill needs some paper. And Prince says, what do you mean? I need, you know, I need a new car, I need a house. You know, Alexander O 'Neill needs some paper. And we're like going, we ain't even got a record deal yet and you talking us out of the record deal, man. And anyway, Prince, you know, a couple of months later, he calls and Jellybean Johnson, our drummer, was going to be out the group at that point.

50:47and Prince calls Terry and just goes, Alex is out. Jelly Bean's the drummer. Morris is the lead singer. Practice tomorrow at 10 o 'clock or whatever. It's like, oh shoot. And that was it. Time was born. I've seen that one trillion times in this business. I watch a motherfucker talk himself out blessings. Yes. One trillion times. Yes. I mean, I knew this one guy he did like a freestyle and Eminem and them flew in there. Timberland that guy's nowhere to be found right now. His attitude. Right. What did I say? Who? Nah, I won't do that. Well, we sort of think. Yeah, no, it happens. And so the thing, but we said to Alex, we said, Alex, if we make it, we're going to come back and get you.

51:51And that was our opportunity. Because Morris, I mean, not Morris, but Alex was just playing in a club, you know. And so we went and grabbed him, man. We just said, hey, man, can you come to the studio? This is one in the morning or whatever. Can you come to the studio and just sing these songs real quick? And he was like, cool.

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55:14How do you get the girl to sing Just Be Good To Me? Oh, she was with it. None of the lyrics. She was with it. I don't care what you do with them. Just be good to me. My wife would stab me with a knife. I can't even sing to that shit. When it come on, I'd be like, sorry, like, I mean,

55:39sometimes I'd be bugging out like, Well, back in the day, these girls now, they ain't singing that. They're not singing that. Like, Whitney Houston got the joint. But what Whitney Houston got the, she was the side chick. She got a whole hit record. What's the one? Oh, right, right, right. Yeah, she sure did. Which one is that? The Whitney Houston. Whitney Houston got a side chick record. Yeah, she does. She does. She said smash. She does. She's like, yo, I'm cool. Yep. But, you know, do you, I'm good. Damn, what the hell is that? Not Secret Luckers, huh? saving all my love for you. And they had secret love.

56:18Boy, they were singing that shit back in the day. Guys was getting away. You guys was spending that shit. No, no, man. I was raised by women. And that was the reality. Now, you can not like it or you can be opposed to it, but that was how people lived. That was it. It was about that check on Friday and the benefits. and whatever you did on the weekend, see you later, see you Monday. That's the way it was. Yeah, have your ass at work on Monday. Yeah, have your ass at work, get that check. Go work, get that check, bring that shit home. Yep. And that's the way it was. Don't gamble a check. No, no, don't.

56:59She gets the check and she might give you a couple dollars to go. Yeah. Have a couple drinks. So that's how I work. That's how I work in the day. Back in the day. So the man work, he come home, mama construction, I got my 200. and she's like, all right, take 50, go get drunk, hang out with your man. And as my sister says, less work for me to do.

57:22My wife calls herself the CEO of my house. That's the truth. It's a bigger title now. I be wondering if that's a loophole if we ever break up. She's the CEO of the house. What the shit? Ah! Ah! These new titles. The house might be us. Hey, man. It's the old house. Definitely. I'll tell you, man. Hey, trust me. The women run things, and it's just the more, the earlier we figure that out. Better off your life. Better off, man. Oh, yeah. You know? Oh, yeah. I've seen the best of the best, the greatest of the greats. Men that I admire, they all agree that the women run shit. Absolutely. Just like, you know.

58:12Absolutely. Since the beginning of time. Absolutely, man. Since the beginning of time. That's right. That's right. Like, they run shit. You know what I'm saying? You know, today I woke up high off the, oh, my wife ain't even play that shit last night. Like, I won. She went right up. She was like, nah, I ain't fucking with you. She went right up. She was not playing with me last night because I was on that bullshit. You know, we just won. Oh, I came up. What? Came up mad loud. King of the one-liners. Like, I'm just dissing everybody for no reason. I was on my Jadakiss bag. And I'm throwing shit all around the room and everything.

58:50She said, oh, no. I seen her. She went upstairs. And my daughter was like, yo, what happened with mom? I said, nah, she's seen this shit before. She ain't playing this game. She going to sleep. She ain't trying to hear me the five in the morning talking about shit. This shit. She left me for dead in the office. and she was like, oh no, this guy, he could talk to himself for four hours. Come on fucking talking the hole in my head. You know, the women run shit, man. Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. This year, they got some serious, not nominees, guys who really, who made it, right? Inductees. I might go there for the first time just to not be a groupie, but hang out.

59:33You know, Sade might be in there. Wu-Tang Clan. but no we might need to go yeah Wu-Tang Clan MC Light we might need to bring Joe and Jay to there there you go no we need that yo James put that down we gotta do that rock and roll all the fame go fuck with everybody get some coverage November Luther Luther's nominated you know he's my favorite singer of all time What's your experience with Luther? You guys. You guys. Tell us some Luther. I'll tell you that. Well, to me, the Luther story that I got me, there's a bunch of them with us. But the best one for me was we had done this song. We were in a song called The Thrill I'm In.

1:00:21And we always heard Luther singing it. We thought, man, this is The Thrill I'm In. Yes, The Thrill I'm In. And so we sent it to him and never heard a thing. Didn't hear nothing. Never heard anything. and then um there was a movie he used to do movie screenings at his house and stuff and so we went to this movie screening at his house and he said um and we were getting ready to do the mo money soundtrack and we said hey luther i said you know we got this song man we sent you this song like a long time ago and i said but we never heard anything and he sings he goes oh i remember that song and he goes the thrill i'm in the thrill i'm in the thrill i'm in he starts singing and we were like, oh man.

1:01:04He said, yeah. And I said, well, we want to do this soundtrack. He said, yeah, yeah. He said, I'll do the soundtrack. He said, but I want to do something different. So what do you want to do? He said, I want to do something uptempo and funky because people don't think I can do uptempo and funky. We were like, okay. And he said, and I want to do it as a duet with Janet Jackson. And we were like, okay. Like, okay. That wasn't what we had in our plan, but okay, let's figure that out. We ended up doing the best things in life are free. And he killed that record. Him and Janet killed that record. And Luther never really sang to up-tempo music like that.

1:01:39He got like two or three. That was his point. And he never sang anything like that. Yeah, he got like two or three. Yeah. You don't need no, man. Yeah, okay. Luther got shit, though. He got like about three or four. But mostly it's like houses are homes. You know, I got a crazy story with Luther. Luther's my favorite singer of all time. And I remember he was passing away. And a friend of mine told me what hospital he was in. I pulled up with my wife and I was outside. And once again, I was scared to go upstairs. I said, damn, he wouldn't know me. I said, I don't think he know Fat Joe. And I was scared to go upstairs.

1:02:23It was Beth Israel on on second half. I went in front of the hospital and I didn't have the balls to go upstairs and be like how you doing Mr. Van Jones? I knew they was like, yo he's passing away he's on the 8th floor, whatever, 9th floor Beth Israel, if you want to come by I know how much you love him I was like I felt like it wasn't the right time but that was it, you know I chickened out Luther's the best oh my god 41 top hits in the US more than any other production in existence. I always say we work with good people and they make us look good. That's where I put it. No, man, it's a blessing, man.

1:03:07We get to work with great people and we get to work with people who we're fans of because not everybody who... We don't feel like we have ideas for everybody. There's certain people that somebody will say a name and we'll go, oh, we love them, but we don't have an idea for them. But certain people we have an idea for, I was thinking of somebody, particularly since we're in New York, and I was thinking of when you were talking about songs that would have gone somewhere else. And there was one song that we really held on to for almost a year. And that was when we did No More Drama with Mary J. Blige.

1:03:41And I remember we played the song for her. We had written the whole thing, the lyrics and everything. We played the song for her. And we said, you can change the lyrics or whatever you want to do to it. And she said, I'm not changing a thing on this song. She said, this is like you were following me around with a private detective. But she said, but I'm not quite ready to do that song yet. It'll be good for my next album. And we're thinking like, okay, yeah, okay, she must not really like it. But then every month she would call us and go, you didn't give that song away, did you? And we were like, no, that song was written specifically for you.

1:04:16It just happened to me right now. I'm working on an album and street running my brother. he never did this before but he sent me a beat i did a whole song to it this and this and that now when it's time to clear the sample he's like oh so did the rick ross i said thank you good brother right no um i hate that hey he never did that in his life i've been working with him 20 years he maybe i didn't tell him loud enough i love this song or the beat or whatever you know what i'm saying because he's never one thing i can say when people fuck up and fuck up on a regular Not this guy. This guy has never done it, but I was like, damn.

1:04:55And if you know it went to a good artist, you know somebody, I'm going to buy their album as soon as it comes out, Rick Ross. So, you know. Yeah, exactly. You got to support. But, yeah. I think it all ends up in the place it should. And she did, like, literally when, you know, seven, eight months later, when she started putting the new album together, she said, No More Drama is going to be the title track. And we were like, okay, cool. And it was. And she killed it. And her Grammy performance was one of the best ever. Like she shut it down, you know. So it's nice to be involved. I say that simply to say certain people just inspire us.

1:05:34And then we really get inspired to do our best work. And so it's always a team effort, you know. It's the artist, but it's also the combination of us. You know, I need all of us to get spiritual right now because we got the bigger the icons here. I was going to the Nick game the other day and there was a streamer out there and he said 100 ,000 times, he kept saying, Jalen Brunson, Jalen Brunson, right?

1:06:01So I want us four to say, Joe's going to get a Grammy. Joe's going to get a Grammy. Joe, we can't do that, Kis? You on the project. You want to say? Yeah, Joe's going to get a Grammy. Joe's going to get a Grammy. Joe's going to get a Grammy. Joe's going to get around. Joe's going to get around. Joe's going to get around. You know, I support, I pull up. Everybody had a mink on that day. I was, yo, I didn't go like super fly. Like I went under the radar. Everybody had a chinchilla on that day. When he did his show over there, everybody, I'm waiting on line for my car. Everybody was out there flying.

1:06:41I said, damn, everybody came out with their flying shit. You slipped this time, Joe. you let them beat you to it. But what a great experience, man. I mean, you guys, the residency is going to be sold. Everywhere you've been, you've been sold out. And this guy, this guy works hard. I know. I gave him my number. Trust me. He works hard, this guy. Yeah, no, Elijah's the best, man. Elijah's the best. He'll follow up. He'll be like, yo, they over here. Yep. Yo, Joe, they over here. Yo, Joe, you sure you don't want to come at night? I got to catch one in residency. Yeah, because it's different. It's like they sit there and they tell a story.

1:07:25And then it's like, yo, we did. And it won't stop. And it won't stop. And they just, and it keeps, you see no more drama. Go back to SOS band. Go back to Alexander O 'Leary to New Edition to this one. Like, it's just, it's crazy. Well, I do in the Vegas, I do a DJ set. I do a DJ set too, because that's where the name Jimmy Jam came from. I was a DJ. You got it. So I go back and do a little DJ set. You know, most producers were DJs. A lot of them. A lot of them. Cole and Dre, they were DJs. A lot of them. DJ Premier, Dr. Dre. I'm surprised you wasn't. Man, I sucked at DJing. It's the only shit I sucked at.

1:08:07Man, I did graffiti, I breakdance, I rap. Pause. This guy's got a weird sense of humor, you know? I try to DJ. Shout out to DJ Serge, my brother. And he tried to teach me. And I just could never, ever, ever, ever get to meet. I would go to his house in the whole summer day when I could have been somewhere having fun. And I'd be like, yo, come on, man. He'd be like, yo, catchy. I couldn't. I can't DJ. I've always thought, right? Because I got a good ear. I got a super here. Yeah. You should be able to do it. I always thought if I could produce, I would, I get frustrated. Right? Yeah. So like with Scott Storch, I told him lean back.

1:08:58Bam, bam, bam. Yeah. I told him. Make it rain. I told him. Play this. Oh, Candy Shop. Play this. And he's one of the only producers in hip hop that could play whatever you do. Yes. If you do any melody in your head, he'll play it. He'll play it. Yeah. Right? Yeah. So we made them hits together. He took credit, but if I knew the business like now, I would have been producing. Right? But it's cool, Scott. But, um, nah, it's cool. But I'd be frustrated because sometimes I hear like an old school song and I hear a breakdown and I'd be like, oh, my God. Like, if I was a producer, I would chop that right now.

1:09:40Like, this is, man, it's just so many. It's a record that I've been hearing for years, The Barge. And it just breaks down into this music at the end of it. And I'd be like, fuck. Every single time I've heard this for 40 years, I hear that breakdown. I'm like, anybody flips that? That shit is out of here. Every time I hear it. Why don't you flip it? I don't know, because I'm not a producer. You know what I mean? but every time I hear it, every time I hear that breakdown, I'm like, so if you say, what's my man? They honored him last year, but, oh, where Biggie got hypnotized from. Herb Alpert? Herb Alpert.

1:10:30Yeah. Did you know that came from that? Yep. And then that thing went into, boom. Yep. you know they played me Hypnotize before they played it for Biggie? No. Like if you wanted the beat? They played it for us and told us you can't have it. You know I was in the studio when he made Hypnotize and that man listened to that beat 36 ,000 times and went like it just was just running all day though. It was like the background music for whatever's going on in the studio. And let me tell you something. I tell the story all the time. I tell it again. 12 o 'clock, Biggie had 10 Asian women in there, most beautiful Asian women.

1:11:19One o 'clock, they left. 10 white girls came in there looking like fucking a movie, models. Two o 'clock, 10 black chicks came up in there, this and this and that. Three o 'clock, 10 Latinas came up in. I see, yo, this is the fucking man. Man, I'm sitting up in there with me. I said, yo, this guy is the illest ever. And that hypnotize came out of that. But I already, I had known the original from that Luke and Laura General Hospital. Yep. That was like the marriage song, right? Yep, that's right. That was crazy. Oh, that's funny. So you a soap opera dude? Huh? Were you a soap opera dude? Back in the day, I skipped so much school.

1:12:00I was a Regis filming. Everybody, it was on the show. I was Regis filming. I was watching it, so you'd start watching it. I'm one of my babysitters. I mean, I couldn't escape it. Then I just had to start watching. That's so funny, man. But that's where No More Drama came from. Young and Restless. Bling, bling, bling, bling. Which I still watch. I still watch Young and Restless all of them. You want to know what's crazy? That girl. Remember, they only had one black girl and one black dude. Yes. You know, she's still doing Lifetime movies every day. Well, you know there's a new... they just, she is starring in all Lifetime movies.

1:12:39She's the mother of every Lifetime movie. The grandmother now that's... Yes. Well, you know, there's one, there's a one called Beyond the Gates. It's all black. And they did a crossover with Young and Restless. It's actually happening right now. It's dope. So good. I never saw that. Yeah, man. Check it out. It's all black. All black. All the producers, everybody on it. The writers, everybody's all black. It's so good. Huh? Did it? Oh, that's awesome. I'm happy about that. No, it's a great show. We got some other soap opera fans up there. I like that. I like that. Spanish people. That's called Novellas.

1:13:12Yeah, Novellas. That's right. There you go. My grandmother never left Four Corners. My grandmother never. She came from Puerto Rico when she was 15, living the same project. And at any given time, you go over there, she walk into the supermarket, back up. The woman never went to Manhattan or Brooklyn or Queens. that was just that. I shot a video. Shout out to Tommy Mottola, his wife, Talia. We did a song together. I shot a video. It's the only time on earth my grandmother left the block. She wanted to meet Talia because Talia was the star of the soap operas in Spanish. Yes, yes. So I brought her to meet Talia.

1:13:53That shit was the craziest shit in the world. You know, it's powerful. Soap operas are powerful. Yeah. Right now, all this baddies and all that shit, that's the new school soap opera. You do know that. I've been thinking about knife, cyanide, a bomb under the car. I'm trying to figure out how my wife is trying to kill me to take the paper. Because she watches this lifetime and all they do is kill her husband. All they're doing is showing these women how to kill her husband for the fucking insurance. She's always killing something. She's in the Albert show On BET2 It's a big show About the black Beauty and black She's on there too She's killing That's good to see It's still working She's killing That's good She's killing That's good Let's tell them The dates of Vegas Again The residency I'm sure it's gonna be sold out You guys been selling out Everywhere Anybody who ever loved This song What about the Minnesota State Fair We're doing that too and doing that.

1:14:58That's August the 29th. We're doing that. Saturday, Saturday night, the first Saturday of the fair. And we grew up going to the Minnesota State Fair. I used to, I remember when I was a little kid, I used to go and they had these little parts where they used to have like keyboards, like organs and stuff. I used to spend like three or four hours in there, man. I'm shocked they'd never kick me out, man. But I was, that was my little thing, man. Yo, man, y 'all got to get them down to Miami. What's that? The jazz, the, the, the, yeah, I be doing jazz. Jazz and gun. Y 'all will body that. Yeah. jazz in the garden.

1:15:29When we went into Songwriters Hall of Fame, which was like seven years ago, they asked us, what do you want to do that you haven't done yet? And we were on the red carpet and standing next to us with Babyface, as a matter of fact. And we looked at Babyface and we said, well, we never worked with Babyface. We'd like to do that. So we did. We did. That's never worked with Babyface. At that point in time, seven years ago, we hadn't done it. And we did a song called He Don't Know Nothing About It with Babyface on our Jammer Lewis Volume 1 album. So we did that. And we did our Jammer Lewis Volume 1 album.

1:15:56That was the second thing we said. We want to finish our album that we've never finished. So we did that. The third thing we said was we would like to go play our catalog of songs live because we had never done that. We'd only done live performance with the time, you know, with the time stuff, which was, you know, 40 years ago. So we said we want to do that. So now we're finally getting the opportunity to do that. And so, you know, it's kind of that point of our lives where we were looking for things to do that we haven't done yet. and I think that's the fun thing have things to look forward to that's what we're into you know Babyface the one guy I'm a friend of that I say all the time I can't believe I'm his friend I looked up to him my whole life love his music and then I became friends like I can't believe this shit when I'm having dinner with Babyface I'm like shit I'm a fucking Babyface having dinner if you motherfuckers can see me in 88 now I'm with face, baby.

1:16:56It's fucking crazy. By the way, I'll tell you something funny. So back when, you know, supposedly we were like feuding with each other, right? It was LA and baby face versus Jam and Lewis, right? When people were trying to set that kind of thing up. And we would go to dinner together. And we'd be at a restaurant and just be chilling and stuff and talking. And people would come up to us and they go like, ain't you Jam and Lewis? We go, yeah. Ain't y 'all baby face in LA? Yeah. And y 'all having dinner together? It was like, yeah, we cool. But that was back in the Right On magazine, Blackfeet magazine.

1:17:30And it was always be like, it would be us versus each other. And we were like going, we competing with 100 songs on that chart. We trying to all compete with those songs. So we're not worried about it. It was also another horrible time because it was, you know, it wasn't social media or nothing like that. And they would put shit in the magazines. and so say they would say Michael Jackson thought he was from outer space because he would be a hyperbaric machine and my man Dre got one in his house and then they would be mad because he got Botox and you can't see a fucking person on earth without Botox it's normal life it's the craziest shit I've ever seen at that time people could control the narrative really really control the narrative whatever if you had somebody really really strong against you media.

1:18:22All right. So, yo, this ain't that? That ain't this. It's cracking kiss. Make some noise for Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis.

1:18:35You know, I should have wore one of them hats, man. Came up in here on that shit, you know what I'm saying? But thank you guys so much. We love you. Thank you for everything. Appreciate it, man. Appreciate it. One second. First of all, I want to thank everybody in the room, as Jimmy and Terry would say, I heard them say often that the stuff they do wouldn't be possible if it wasn't for the people who stream the music, the people who purchase the music, the people who play the music, the DJs, and certainly wouldn't be possible if it wasn't for all the people behind the scenes here, for all the people who often don't get the credit.

1:19:09So thank you guys, everybody in the room. Thank you very much for allowing them to come here and do this. And Joe, I want to say thank you because I put you on the spot last time we did our event in New York. And you told me you wanted to sit back and chill and you just wanted to soak in the music because you were a big fan. And so we did do the Ali-O, but don't go figure, don't own Joe's record, let's see what happens. So we did, and we put the mic next to him. And like a superstar that you are, you came, you gave us a mini concert to help augment the event. And I wanted to... It was awesome.

1:19:40Yeah. Honored. And I wanted to do something to pay homage to you guys. And I know that both of you guys are big Knicks fans. And I have a friend that I went to high school with. the best high school in New York City and probably in the world. Performing Arts High School, LaGuardia High School of Music and Arts. We have tons of talented people. Bobby's an amazing artist. And I know both of you are big Nick fans. So we got you this right here. This custom painting that I wanted to give you. This right here.

1:20:10I'm going to thank you for helping us, man. Wow, thank you. Yeah. man i love it i'm not coming out and this is the guy that did his name is

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