John Leguizamo on playing Pablo Escobar, 'Carlito's Way' & starring in 'Empire' with Fat Joe

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30:24in America all have to play Hamlet. All Latin actors have to play Pablo Escobar. You have to. Benicio Toro did it. Javier Bardem did it. Wagner Mauer did it. Now I'm doing it. But I think I got the best accent. You think so? Yes, sir, bro. You check it out. I'm going to watch. I just was watching Pablo yesterday. Look at some YouTube Pablo Escobar video and then look at what I'm doing and see how there's no difference. I can tell you about Popeye. His hip man still walking around Colombia. I watched Pablo. I was watching Popeye. I was in Colombia. I was listening to him all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

31:04You got to meet the real Popeye? Because he's out there. No, I didn't get to meet the real Popeye. But I studied his videos. I met his son, Pablo Escobar's son, who changed his name. Nice guy. Just saying the thing on his wife yesterday, too. Yeah, the dude escaped the sins of his father, escaped the lifestyle. He became a psychologist, travels around the world giving speeches about positivity. Like, you really ran away from that. He could have chosen to keep going in the father's business. Of course. Because the reason that Pablo is still magnetic is because he's the wealthiest gangster that ever lived in the history of the world.

31:42He died with$30 billion back then. Today's dates would be$70 billion. What? Let's do a toast in the new series. Come on, two times. This guy's called two-time a felon. Don't tell me why he wears those shoes. I don't know. What kind of shoes is those? Penny loafers, sneakers. Living Pepper Hot Steppers. He got the leakers. He wants to go double viral, and I fell for it. Man went viral with them fucking astronaut shoes he got on right now. He got pennies in the penny loafers? Yo, he got sneaker penny loafers. You got a penny in the penny loafers? That's a good question. Sneaker loafers. He got the Sinaloa cartels on.

32:20Your shit. Yo. Your shit. Oh, shit. He got the shit in the lowest. Yo. Yo.

32:32That laugh is the best. Oh, shoot. Those are a sneaker. Oh, my God. Who the fuck advised? Oh, shit. I never seen those. Those. I never seen those. He's like, those are the skedaddles. Yo, a toast to the new series. 1800. Toast to Dare Killer Nanny's streaming now. Hulu, Disney Plus. Let's hear about it. Yes, yes. Make sure we all go check it out. Enjoy it. I start watching the trailer, right? Yeah, yeah. And I understand Spanish much better than I'm speaking. But it started getting real. It started getting... I needed to call somebody. It got over. You got to read his subtitle. Subtitle. I try to leave no subtitles.

33:18I try to get in, you know. Oh, you try to do it without subtitles. Like, try to go, like, Duolingo with it. No, no, no. You need subtitles. Especially Colombians. They talk fast. Yeah, yeah. Oh, man. I try to talk to my fucking mother-in-law. She told you what you eating for breakfast. She told you the whole menu, bro. And one, that shit go, that shit out of here. You like, oh, what? What? What? What? Like, now they motherfuckers talk fast. Yeah, yeah, they talk fast. You need the subtitles. You know, I want to see that series because to me, thus far, the best Pablo was the cheapest version. Which one was that?

34:01That like a Pablo Novella. Yeah, oh my God. That guy was good, huh? That guy was better than me. Don't say that. I'm going to admit that. I'm going to admit that. That guy was really good, huh? That was incredible, man, because he looked like him. He spoke like him. Yeah. The Novella guy. Yeah, that guy was killer. But I'm better than all the other North American actors. I'm better. I am. I am. Go check it. Go check that motherfucker out. Just to say it for you, I'm watching this shit with 20 black guys. Every time that shit came on, we in the studio in Miami. We all watching, reading the subtitles.

34:35We didn't miss one problem at the studio. Dude, that series is incredible. It's 80 episodes. You didn't watch all 80. It's like 80 shows. You didn't watch all 80. We watched it every day. Not 80 episodes. I'm telling you, though. You're too busy making money. How's that celebrity work going to get bigger if you're watching TV? We were recording pre-podcast. We was in the studio 20 deep every fucking night watching that, Pablo. I believe you. When it first came out. Watch this series, man, because the son gave us all the intel on what was happening behind closed doors. And even though Pablo was this sociopath, gangster assassin, he showed love to his kids, like hugged and kissed.

35:20And in Columbia back in the 80s, pops were tough love. They weren't hugging and kissing. Like my dad, when I was growing up, he was like, every day you get stupider by the moment. Congratulations. How do you become even stupider than yesterday? That was love back then. But not Pablo, because Pablo was on Death Store all the time. So he hugged his son, kissed him, said I love you publicly and everything. He got caught because of his family. Say what? He got caught. Well, you always get vulnerable. They tell gangsters, you have children. That's your new Achilles heel. That's how they're going to get you.

35:52And that's how they got him. Man, what a fucking story, man. I was just, it's crazy. I'm so, I don't know if it's a pause, but infatuated with Pablo and his lifestyle. I was just yesterday, I'm watching the story of his wife and how he met her. He met her really, really young. Well, they were both young, but she was really mad young. He was like, she was like 13 Yeah, it was It was cancelable young How old was he? He was 21 21, but still, I mean, that's still way too young No, that's not right That's inappropriate Not at all, but back in the days It wasn't the 1800s, it was 1980 Come on It was still not cool, it was not appropriate It was crazy, it wasn't cool No, but he had mad power and he thought he could do whatever the fuck he wanted So he thought that, yeah, but that's wrong Yeah, that was wrong Now Pablo did a lot of foul shit Of course If you believe Wife is alive Yeah He's got two kids And his son is doing great, man He authorized this show He consulted on it He talked to the writers There's dialogue in here that I go There's no way This is incredible This is not dialogue These are spoken words that had a life These words were actually said And when he confronts his father because the kid couldn't go to school because the DEA would catch him or he'd be assassinated.

37:17The kids were scared of him. So he had to be homeschooled. And so Pablo got him these assassin nanny teachers that were his nannies, teachers, friends, and family. But you know, you can't control them. Yeah, but you can't control them either because they're not families. So some of them became informants. Pablo had to kill them. The kid doesn't know what to do now. He's like, these people were my family, my friends, and you kill them. And he says to him, what do you do? If mom crosses you, you're going to kill her. If grandma looks at you the wrong way, you're going to kill her. These are actual words that the son talks to them.

37:51You want to know what's crazy about being a gangster, especially in America? Well, it's everywhere, but especially in America is, God forbid you're born with the name Gotti, like John Gotti. You could be the 17th grandson, you're already a criminal. you're in school and they looking at you like you're a mafia boss right right they on your ass they don't want to hear nothing they lock up anybody you know what what I noticed about life see it's still feeding Pablo Escobar his son is giving the rights to the movie so they still eating off the father's last name but he's not taking the 30 billion that he could have had I know but what I'm saying that we know of but listen to what I'm saying right right what we're saying is this, right?

38:42I'm not even glorifying that like that. What I'm saying is, when you look at the Roman empires and the movies and all that, everybody always kept caring about their name. They were like, I'll break down every statue with your face on it. Your name will never be told in the streets, this, this, this, that. And it's all about your name. So these kids, if you born Jonathan Gotti from fucking pre-K they looking at you like he's going to federal prison. He's a gotty. He's gonna go and Pablo's son's probably one of the only kids that was in this shit that was able for the enemy not to murder him. Because you know what?

39:26You kill so many people. Absolutely. He had to change his name and run away. There's families of people that want to kill you. Absolutely. Absolutely. He was in it. Oh no, he's in it. Well, he was a kid. His dad was shot when he was 19 years old, so he didn't really get into the game. All right. And his dad was protecting him from that. But when his dad got shot, he was only 19, and he left, and he changed his name. The mom took him away from the country. They moved out, went incognito, and then he resurfaced, you know, after they had taken down the enemies. The government had taken them all down.

40:01Then they resurfaced. They moved to Bolivia or something, but you want to know what's crazy? If you think about Griselda, she went back to Colombia. They murdered her on the motorcycle. God came and murdered her the first day she touched down. Wow. Colombia. She was like Pablo's, you know, she was killing everything too. They killed her. They ain't let her live. Who killed her? Was that Pablo's people or was that the other cartel? Nah, just Colombia. She killed so many people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, the people are going to come back to you. Yeah, yeah.

40:33Yeah, somebody, you know, unfortunately, when you see these movies and they see the little kid, what we going to do with the little kid? They usually kill the little kid because they're like, he's coming back. You know, we killed this whole family. Yeah, he's going to want vengeance sometime. So this guy is very lucky that he's able to even. It's amazing how you know the psychology of it all. I mean he's like a Wikipedia on gangsterism gangsterismism hoodism the kid's gonna come back but not this kid cause this kid left her life his mother too his mother's like an advisor but it's true what happened to his 30 billion dollars or 70 billion now it's there somewhere Do they keep finding this money and shit like that?

41:25No, nobody's found anything. There's a whole bunch of stories out about decayed, rotted. There's a farmer's story circulating about a farmer. There was one farmer that found a bunch of money and they assumed he turned it in. They marked bills too, aren't they? Mark bills? No, it's old school money. But he's getting there. You got a farmer, he fined$700 million. he's like yo get that shit out of here in 2020 his nephew found like 18 million in one of an apartment in Medellin and his nephew gave it up his nephew gave it back who gave it back fuck out of here let me explain this to you this is the problem I have you will understand this maybe I hope so that the world villainizes people right Martin Luther King was murdered right Now there's a Martin Luther King highway everywhere.

42:20There's a Martin Luther King high school. Joe Lewis, they drove him crazy for taxes. The man was looking out the window of the box of Joe Lewis, thinking the government was coming to kill him because he owned taxes. Now you got Joe Lewis highways. You got Joe Lewis school. But these were heroes. I mean, they were heroes. To us, right? Well, they're good things. So what I'm trying to tell you is my daughter went to Columbia and she went to the museum of Pablo Escobar with the plane on top. They're still making money off this man that they murdered and they called him a criminal and they assassinated and he was the biggest shit in the world.

42:57To this day, Colombia's making money off of fucking Pablo Escobar. Right, but they have a hate relationship with Pablo. They do not love him in Colombia because Well, who's making the money? I don't know who's making the money. They take you on Pablo Escobar's tour. Well, the son is making the money off of this show, but that's not like It's not 30 billion I'm saying if we went Tourist to Colombia And we want to see Don't denigrate my country My wife's Colombia You got good taste Thank you A little Colomboricua We got that But what I'm saying to you is if we wanted to go to a tour Of Pablo Escobar There's people doing it right now Well, I went to all the locations where he lived, all his, the big zoo that he had.

43:48I did all that when we were shooting because we shot it in Colombia, in Medellin, near all the places that he actually did live. Wow. Yeah, he did. You know, he had a big zoo and he had hippos. 15 ,000 animals, they said. Yeah. And they let the hippos out into like our Mississippi type river, Magdalena. It's infested with hippos. You know, hippos are the most dangerous animals on the planet. Oh, yeah. They let them go in the water. Yeah, and they multiplied into the hundreds now. So they're going to have to go out and do it with PETA approval. Euthanize them. Yo, ain't nothing, PETA. Did I sidetrack too much?

44:30No, no, no. I have ADHD. I'm sorry. My brain goes everywhere. Oh, okay, cool. No, this show, you know. Yeah, yeah. You give us all you got, brother. I'm trying. I'm trying, baby. We are here, you know. I'm here for you, man. We're trying to make this shit happen. You know what I mean? So, I'm definitely watching this series. Dude, it's an all-Spanish language show. I did the dubbing, too, for those people who don't like to read. Jedekes, you can read it. No, I'm going to read it. You can do the Duolingo thing and just watch it and not understand it. No, you got to watch the film. I love that about him.

45:06I love that about him. This actor, this is a famous actor. every time they do something in Colombia. It's a little guy with red hair. He's always in all the Pablo movies. What fucking movie I watched last night, I watched this shit called Agent Zena, and he was one of the fucking spies in the movie too. It was based out of Colombia. Oh, wow. You know the redhead Colombian actor? He played in that novella. He was in that? He was Gustavo. Gustavo, damn. In the novella. But he makes all the Spanish movies. speaking movies, he's always got to watch. He makes every movie legit. He must have been in that movie.

45:44He must have been in that movie. He must have been in my series, made it legit. Seal of approval. I don't know that cat. No. Uh-uh. But dude, I mean, this series is so cool because it's all from the POV of the kid. So it's, because obviously the son gave us all the info, the intel on it. And it's all from his point of view of growing up with these killer nannies that protected him and raised him. And he lived this wild life that he was able to escape anyhow, which is the biggest beautiful part of the show is that you see him hit 19. He starts off as a little guy and his dad is loving and caring, but the dad has to like move them out of one place to the next because they're onto him.

46:28He has to sometimes not be with them so that he's a decoy. So I don't blow up his family, you know, so you're constantly living in paranoia. so it can't be a good lifestyle bro even if you have 30 billion dollars to live like that

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50:42Three time and four time, yeah. It ain't no Pablo Escobar where you get to fucking be on the run for 15 years, this and this and that. AB's in the building. I'm glad you're saying that, man, because that needs to be said that not to romanticize or idolize this type of lifestyle because it's a short-term deal. It's a short-term goal. Right about now, with all these cameras and all that. It's the shortest. Oh, shit, forget it. Think of Jesse Smully yet. You know what they're about to do? They fake beat him up and they put the cameras all the way back till the motherfucker got out the car with the motherfuckers.

51:18He was rehearsing. They caught him on film in the studio rehearsing the moves. Yo, when you punched me to the left, I'm going to look that way. You brought this shit out of control, huh? This motherfucker, yo, this shit out of control. Yo, they sick out here. Yeah, I know. Dude, now they're going to have drones that can follow you No more police car chases A drone is gonna follow you till you stop That's the new thing coming Put the heat seeking Yes the heat seeking drone It comes after you till they get you No gangsterism is done It's a police state It's a police state Yeah this shit out of control right now Thank God cause some of these motherfuckers is crazy They're gonna have drones that follow you Till you stop Windows coming on the air radio don't make any plans I swear to god they're using them in Jersey chasing dudes with the drone the dudes hiding in the thing and they be like come out no no no no they got those do it Palantir and Oracle in our government they're gonna follow you they're gonna use your ring in your house they're gonna use your nest in your house your whatever stupid vacuum Zumba Roomba thing they're gonna use all that to look at you, find you, GPS you, and you're going to be controlled.

52:39They're going to lock you in your house. It's crazy. It's coming. Palantir will get all your info and data and combines it all to find out where you are, what you're doing, and predict your behavior. Like the movies we used to see. Yes, but now it's a reality. Let me ask you a question, right? You can ask me anything. Do you think movies prepare us for, like, where we're going in life? Well, sci-fi does. I think sci-fi definitely does prepare us for a future because it's all imagination and these writers have to think about it. I don't think it's imagination. I think some of this shit is like, they're letting us know, hey, 20 years from now, you know, George Justin had FaceTime.

53:19Meets George Justin. Jane, his wife. Now we got FaceTime. Yeah, for real. You thought that was never coming. Now you take a shit, you press the wall and it flushes. That was George Justin. At that time, we was up on the flingstones with the bullshit car, but George Jessup was letting me know. Food on a tray, remember? The food used to come out on a conveyor belt and the Jetsons. We got that. A lot of times when movies win awards like the Oscars and all that, I'm like the guy who goes watches it the next day. I had never saw Bagonia. Bagonia's crazy. That was crazy, man. How incredible was this movie?

54:00I don't know how I felt about that movie, bro. I had a bit of a hard time with it because of the female violence. I was like, what's your point, bro? Oh, I'm never going to work with him now. Thanks a lot. Yo, Yargos. I was talking smack about Yargos. What the fuck is wrong with me? Guess what? She blew up the whole world. What is in this drink, bro? Yo, that's a truth serum or some shit? That's the best ever. But let me tell you something. Oh, fuck. I can't believe I said that. Yo, that shit was a bugged out movie, though. I said what? It was bugged the fuck out Oh hell yeah Good movie, Begonia It was interesting You gotta watch that shit Them boys Yeah Watch it Them boys was crazy Them motherfuckers man I had to double watch that movie I said yo You motherfucker Were crazy The whole time I'm looking I'm like Give him the ending Spoil the ending for everybody Let me tell you about About He won't do it One thing that happened With that movie That was crazy Don't get in my zone Dude They had the dumb cousin Don't say dumb No, no Because he's not acting He's not acting Oh, no Oh, no, God bless I got a special niece Last thing I'm doing is playing with anybody No, he's real special niece, that wasn't acting I didn't know that No, no, that's why I wanted to alert you to that No, no, no, no, God forbid that he did a phenomenal job It was incredible Yeah, yeah, yeah in that area.

55:26No, I know. What I'm saying is I didn't know. But what I'm saying to you is it's like we got an inside joke. Right? What's that? You know. You know, Terror Squad's my crew. Hell yeah. Rap, label, whatever. From way back when. And now we say you're the leader. You're the what? I'm not the leader. Right? So, you know, now they try to lock record labels up like if they're gangs. Like the mafia. So everybody, we hand on the, We'd be like, yo, Serge, guess what? You the leader now. I don't want it no more. He'd be like, even the dumbest guy in Trevor's car calls me back, not Serge, in two seconds. I am not the leader.

56:06I am not the leader. You are the leader. You are the leader. Nobody wants to be the leader no more. No, no, no. Not the leader. And if you ever notice in the movies, they always take somebody with a little low IQ, and they put them there and they use them. you know what I'm saying like we used to call that throwing the battery in the back when you had a guy that you knew he wasn't that smart and you could gas him and do anything right right right you be like yo that guy don't like him maybe he should get shot in his head I don't know this is that right right right Johnny two times be like really Delaney said he don't like that yeah the guy don't like that now let's see what happens It's like, yo, this guy.

56:54I had one guy came home. I had one guy. Okay? Let me just end this over. I never told this story. We had one guy we grew up with. And let me tell you something. This guy was dangerous. Right? Like a sociopath? Well, some of these guys, we just thought they were real guys in the hood. Some of them were serial killers. Right, right. But this, well, anyway, one day we four deep. We in the Jeep. This is the 80s. and we trying to rap to some girls, you know, Fat Joe got his shirt on. You know, I used to go topless, my jewels on. Sexy. Yeah, I never was ashamed of being a fat guy.

57:38And let me tell you something. When them police come for murder, I've been there three times when them police come for murder. They come with tanks, with fucking trucks, with lights, They come with so many police cars. Yeah, technology. No, no, not technology. They know you killing. They're coming to get the killer. So what I'm trying to say is, anyway, we get locked up. They throw us on the floor. No reason. Nice, hot day like today. Everybody's on the floor. We go in the precinct. We turn around, and the one guy, he's looking at us, and he's like, and we don't know. We joking. We don't know what we in there for.

58:12He's like,

58:17Guys, remember what happened over there at that, you know, shit we heard about. The guy got shot in the neck. I won't be seeing y 'all for a while. He knew what they came for. We had no fucking clue. Yo, we suck my dick. Fuck your mother. We, we don't know what we getting locked up for. We, we, he got locked up. So he did about 15, 20 years or something. Damn. And everybody was coming back from, from jail. Like, when you know how you go to jail to visit now, they used to come back and be like, yo, y 'all got one. Y 'all got one. This motherfucker was stabbing everybody in there. They was like, y 'all got one.

59:03There's a guy named such and such. Y 'all got one. He laying it down in there so legend. He comes home from jail. I'm already Fat Joe the rapper. I'm at Jimmy's Bronx Cafe. You probably was in there with your crew that night. Jimmy's Cafe was the bomb, man. I'm in the VIP. And they go, Joe, look who just came on, such and such. Look at the guy, he comes home, he's like, this. I said, man, I heard everything about you, man. He was like, yeah. I said, man, you was putting in that work, legendary, man. He was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was like, man, my sister had just passed. I'm sorry, Lisa used to write me this, that.

59:44Yeah, yeah, yeah. I said, look, man, we're in my pocket. I pulled out like$20 ,000,$30 ,000 and said, yo, here you go. Oh, what? I could never hang out with you in my life. Wow. That was incredible. Paid him to stay away from you. He's the first motherfucker that understood. As dumb as we could say, he probably is. He's the first motherfucker that took the$30 ,000 and said, I understand, yo. You change your life. I'll stay out the way. That's cool. He went and got shot the fuck up about a week later. Like, this guy. And you lost at 30K. This guy was a magnet. No, I don't give a fuck. I'm just like, the guy was really my friend.

1:00:25Oh, word. And he honored. Yeah, hard to tell. That was hard to tell. Yo, he honored the Declaration of Independence. Wow. He was in jail. They was coming back like, yo, this guy is putting in work for y 'all guys in jail. Somebody say something about Fat Joe. It's over in there. so when he comes home I'm like yo I can't hang out with you no you can't you can't bring that in your life you're gonna kill the whole Madison Square Garden I can't hang out with you we got a we got a locomotive we waiting for one to come home soon a friend of mine been in jail what 30 what 37 years I almost got locked up with it but we waiting for a locomotive to come he's also getting the cash treatment we cannot but that was a long time ago what is it now it can't be 30k it's got to be more than that.

1:01:13Might be like$50 ,000. We send them money every fucking week for 37 years. But what I'm saying to you is I cannot be with this guy. No, you can't. They know it. Yeah, oh, good, good. There's a guy. No. No, you can't be with that. There's a guy. They all know. I said, there's a guy. He's going to come in here, talk to you like he runs this shit. He probably might take any outfit he wants in the store. He'll do whatever the fuck he wants. Don't argue with the guy. Just call me up. I'm coming. And I'm going to come. Severance package. Beep, beep, beep. Your parachute. Guess what, my brother? I love you.

1:01:54I cannot hang out with you. No, you can't. This guy beat up so much, he got metal plates in his chest from the cops. You know, I had a friend like that when I was growing up. He used to do tapes of Kung Fu movies and sell them in Times Square. And he had this cat living with him. and the cat took his, he was a drug addict and he took his video recording machine that he copied the Kung Fu tapes on and sold it on the street for crack. And my friend, I'm not going to say his name, hit the dude with a lead pipe and murdered him. He had to go to jail. And then he used to write me all the time and wanted to meet up after he came out like years and years and years later.

1:02:35I was like, you know, he's a murderer. Yeah, I'm like, we can't, dude. I mean, we just can't hang. I'm in a different lifestyle. I'm a different person. My whole life is going to a path of cleanliness, goodness. You know, that's not the path that I want to be a part of. And, you know, he turned Christian. He's a born again Christian and whatnot. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. That's good for him. Yeah, it's like. And I don't mean to disparage him at all. No, I'm just saying, you know, you come to. Yeah, I don't want to bring that into my life. No, no, the problem is, right, is that all of us came from somewhere and it was so hard to get to where we are and be legit and nobody.

1:03:15You don't want to make those kind of mistakes. To have somebody crazy to be hanging out with you. No, exactly. To put you in a position where you throw everything away from your family and all that trying to keep it real. I'm done with keeping it real on that level. Absolutely. That's a smart move. It's a smart move. Right or wrong, AB. Right. I got an uncle. I'll tell this last story and then we're going to cut. Okay? These motherfuckers, y 'all fucking up my vibe. Let me tell you something. This is a classic. This is a fucking classic. We're number one for a reason. I know when we got one. Okay?

1:03:47My uncle was in jail since I was three years old. Another guy. Legend. Legend, legend, legend. He was stabbing motherfuckers in jail up to the wall. Like, hey, like the killers I know were scared of him. he's one of the founding members of a crew called the Rat Hunters wow never heard of them you never heard of them the whole fucking New York State jail is the Rat Hunters was that 80s or 70s 70s so they got pictures of him all over my house and they like yo that's Uncle Jabu you know I know him well and the guys who I respect are coming home from jail they're like yo met your uncle yo that nigga he helped me down I was under his umbrella.

1:04:32These are dangerous guys. He's one of them guys. When you go up there to speak, he was one of them guys that dumb guys look at and be like, Jesus Christ, like, that's your nephew? So he comes home from jail. My whole family called me. They said, yo, Jack Boone got home from jail. He wants to see you. I knew this day was coming just like we got locomotive coming out soon too. So I go in the car. I pick him up in the truck. Fat Joe the rapper. I already shot the movie with John Legos. I get in the car with him. He says, I know everything about you. Joey Crack. Farge Project. This, this, that. You did good, nephew.

1:05:10Everybody, he talk good about you and that. This, this, that. You put in work. This, that. You see, I need you to take me to Newark, New Jersey. They got this and this and that for me. Waiting. I said. You ever seen the car like when somebody dies in the car that it just crashes into shit? It goes to the side. I'll never forget. I was on East Street Mart. That gas station on East Street Mart by the car wash. That fucking car went like this. I said, with my pocket, I pulled out like$20 ,000. I said, Uncle, I can't hang out with you. I'm so sorry. He said, no, if you understand, I understand he takes the money, gets out the car.

1:05:53He eventually became Kingpin. He died, but he became Kingpin. Wow. He came home after 20-something years. I started seeing him in the clubs, popping bottles, Benz's beam is outside, big ass. He, you know, he's the rat hunter. He's not telling. They give him anything in the street. You understand what I'm saying? But that nigga, boy, that shit took two minutes. That's it.

1:06:18Here's how this is going to work. But you carry a lot of cash in your pockets, bro. That shit makes me feel vulnerable and shit. $20 ,000? $30 ,000 at a time? I got cash my whole life. It's fucked up because now they look at you like you an alien if you pull out cash in the store. Nobody uses cash. They don't even want cash. I'm in a gas station. I go get a sugar-free Red Bull. They're like, no cash. No cash. No cash. I'm like, what the fuck? They want a credit card. This ain't that. That ain't this. It's Crack and Kiss. He's on Hulu, Disney+. I'm watching tonight.

1:06:59That's right.

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