Kenya Barris drops GEMS on Black Hollywood, his new Jerry West doc, ‘Black-ish’ legacy & snitching in hip hop culture

12 May 2026 · 1 h 31 min · 29 chapters

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In short

Kenya Barris discusses Black Hollywood representation and legacy, his new Jerry West documentary (including West’s “killer mentality” and mental health focus), the cultural impact of Black-ish, and hip-hop culture’s “snitching”/betrayal dynamics. He also reflects on jealousy inside crews, keeping teams financially stable (“everybody got to eat”), and how public scrutiny affects Black creators.

Guest backgrounds

The episode is hosted by Cal Penn and features Joe and Jada (Joe and Jada show). Kenya Barris is the main guest: TV writer/producer/director known for creating Black-ish and other Black-centered series. Other speakers include Fat Joe (hip-hop artist/entrepreneur) and Shaq (mentioned via ad/read and discussion), plus recurring podcast personalities (Joe/Jada).

Key claims

Barris says Black-ish changed TV by ensuring Black people were seen; he frames his documentary work as building stories “backwards” through conversations. He argues jealousy is toxic and can destroy relationships, and that entitlement among crews breeds resentment. He emphasizes mental health vulnerability as part of Jerry West’s story.

Notable examples

Black-ish and “Black as Fuck” fashion/TV moments; Barris meeting Michael Jordan; West’s “trinity” of Jerry/Mike/Kobe and willingness to “die on the court”; a story about twins with different fathers; “everybody got to eat” business philosophy.

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Chapters

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Fashion and Identity in Black Culture

4:29 to 8:49

Explore how fashion and personal style play a role in identity.

“Yo, Kenya Barrett, you got that shit on as usual.”

The Importance of Collective Success

8:50 to 10:53

Discuss the significance of shared success and teamwork in creative industries.

“Like, that's, unless you're working all day, that's different.”

Navigating Entitlement and Community Expectations

10:54 to 14:01

Understand the dynamics of entitlement within close-knit communities.

“That's the whole, you know, my mentor, J.R.”

Navigating Toxic Relationships

14:01 to 14:36

Learn about the impact of toxic friendships and the importance of a small, supportive circle.

“a big entourage turns into three, maybe three or four.”

The Art of Conversation in Podcasting

15:47 to 17:24

Understand the importance of genuine conversations and the pitfalls of baiting guests.

“I've seen on social media, which is true in every which way, is I don't care if it's a family member.”

Jealousy vs Envy: A Personal Reflection

17:25 to 19:42

Explore the difference between jealousy and envy through personal anecdotes and experiences.

“I'm going to tell you something to your opinion, right?”

Consequences of Jealousy in Relationships

19:43 to 22:08

Learn why jealousy can be destructive and how to identify toxic influences in your life.

“or a so-called friend or entourage that's actually jealous of you.”

The Burden of Representation in Hollywood

22:09 to 24:26

Discuss the challenges and expectations placed on Black creators in the entertainment industry.

“You trying to get something done you can't do on your own.”

Discussing Health and Parenthood

30:41 to 33:43

Engage in a conversation about diabetes management and stem cell therapy for autism.

“based on 2024 average new policyholder data for accident and illness plans Pets age 0 to 10.”

Relationships and Life Choices

33:43 to 39:48

Hear insights on navigating relationships, breakups, and life decisions.

“And your relationship to family is enviable.”
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Paternity and Family Dynamics

39:48 to 42:00

Delve into discussions about paternity, child support, and unexpected family scenarios.

“He was the father of one, and somebody else was the father of the other, baby.”

Kenya's Miami Club Experience

42:00 to 44:00

Kenya shares a wild story from Miami involving a surprising encounter.

“who I don't know her name but she was around in Miami like she was a beautiful girl but she was out let's say seven days a week forever.”

Meeting Jerry West and NBA Stories

44:00 to 46:40

Kenya discusses meeting NBA legend Jerry West and the impact of their conversation.

“I got a chance to meet and tell the story of the logo.”

Mental Health in Sports

46:40 to 47:20

The discussion pivots to mental health in sports and its importance.

“And I wanted to make it more than about basketball.”

Documentary Filmmaking Insights

47:20 to 48:00

Kenya shares insights on the challenges and processes of documentary filmmaking.

“it was a crazy journey um and it made me really respect documentary filmmakers because they have to do it in reverse.”

Podcasting Realities

56:16 to 59:25

Discussion on the podcasting industry and its competitive landscape.

“I think by now they exaggerated the numbers.”

Hip-Hop Origins

59:25 to 1:02:02

Fat Joe shares his experiences and history with hip-hop culture.

“So you're going to put Fat Joe up in here to tell a story?”

Negativity in Social Media

1:02:02 to 1:08:30

Exploration of the impact of social media negativity and its consequences.

“I'm in junior high school and we're doing a talent show.”

Evolution of Culture

1:08:30 to 1:10:00

A philosophical look at cultural evolution through technology and social media.

“If I don't go to a game or somewhere I'm getting paid, I stay home.”

Exploring the Nature of Conversations and Public Perception

1:10:00 to 1:13:46

Learn how conversations evolve and the impact of social media on public perception.

“This nigga starts conversations way ahead.”

The Consequences of Actions: Will Smith and Public Image

1:13:46 to 1:18:39

Discuss the implications of public actions on personal and professional lives, using Will Smith as a case study.

“To get on and gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip.”

Snitching in Hip-Hop Culture: A Moral Dilemma

1:18:39 to 1:19:22

Examine the complexities of snitching within hip-hop culture and its broader implications.

“Thank God he smiled at me yesterday, you know.”

Navigating the Confusion of Modern Morals

1:19:22 to 1:24:00

Delve into the confusion surrounding moral codes in contemporary society and their influence on behavior.

“This information is provided by Lilly, a medicine company.”

Navigating Street Credibility in Hip Hop Culture

1:24:00 to 1:36:34

Explore the complexities of authenticity and reputation in hip hop, discussing the pressures faced by artists to conform to street narratives.

“Because all the rules I grew up by is out the window.”

Lessons from Jerry West and the Impact of Social Media

1:36:34 to 1:38:00

Learn about the influence of social media on public perception, highlighted through anecdotes involving basketball legends.

“I'm watching Kobe Bryant's funeral on TV.”

Kenya Barris and the Pursuit of Success

1:38:00 to 1:38:35

Exploring Kenya Barris's connections and appreciation for the industry.

“Even Jerry West, the logo, knew what time it was with that.”

Reflections on Childhood Poverty

1:38:35 to 1:39:35

A poignant reflection on the struggles of growing up poor.

“But the one day they leave, the house feels like a sanctuary, don't it?”

Life Lessons from Humble Beginnings

1:39:35 to 1:40:35

Sharing life lessons learned from a challenging upbringing.

“Well, I'm from the soil, the bottom of the shit.”

Gratitude for Current Success

1:40:35 to 1:41:36

Expressing gratitude for success and the little things in life.

“You know, Puerto Ricans, we say throw us a picture.”
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2:31That's why I'm so proud of Ryan and Issa and Antoine, because I feel like the more we can succeed and do it on a level that is unquestionably excellent, the more that it makes room for other people to come up behind us.

3:00Yeah, yeah, what up, y 'all? It's Coker the dog, Coker. You know who it is, your boy, Jadon. Perhaps a little something for the nose, Snooker. Joe and Jadon's show, man. Every show legendary. Every show iconic. This one is so iconic. She calls for the Tom Ford. You know what I mean? He's talking about eyes. The Thomases. He's talking about eyes and sight and losing sight and things of that nature, but on a real serious tip. When you think of today's guest, you think about somebody who really changed the game. Not just in Hollywood, but in the culture. This is a man who looked at television and said, I don't see us and then built the empire making sure we were seen from blackish to girl strips to black as everything he touches turns into gold, I say platinum congrats me and now he's stepping behind the lens as a director to tell the story of one of basketball's greatest icons on top of all of that he's working with my brother on something very special.

4:21I mean, ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for the one and only Kenya Barrett. Thank you. My brother. Yo, Kenya Barrett, you got that shit on as usual. Always. Pull over. He got one of the only closets that I'm jealous of. And it probably was just not even his real closet. his Hollywood closet was it was a mock of his real closet but it was incredible let me explain something to you I still feel a little bit something this the guy who beat me to it never I'm telling you when I saw Black as Fuck and it just felt like you was just they gave you an excuse to throw that shit on it was a fashion show and I said if I'm on TV or something I'm doing that same shit.

5:14We've been coming up on this show. We've been throwing that shit on these niggas. It's dizzy. You know, before we came, they'd be wearing the Adidas suits or just black tees. We up on here, Bottega, all type of shit. Hermes, Louis shit. Anything you could, every day would never run out. Never run out. It's a throwaway. Not for me. You double up? Man, I got to say we never wore nothing twice on this show. When you wear it on the show, will you wear it out? Fuck yeah. Really? Well, you know now I don't go to the clubs no more. I'm old. So I use the Nick game as the club. Okay. If you ever wanted to know.

5:55I'm telling you. That's the grown man's club. Let me tell you something. I used to sell drugs to impress the neighborhood. So I'm sitting on the couch with the ice on it. You know, you get the wit to just drive around Harlem. and now we nationally syndicated. I go to the Knick game like I'm at the fucking V-Op. I'm so fucking fresh, Ernest. Let me tell you something. You know it's some shit when you see the leather and it just can't crumble. Like that shit just too neat. You're like, I don't know what he got on, but he got some shit on. I go to the game like it's a fucking club. I go in there.

6:34I start. It just ain't no girls there. Madison is great. Diamond lights too. It makes them dance. last night they said some shit. They said, man, Joe got that bling bling on. He got them diamonds on and shit. I said, yeah, you know, that's what we do. You know what I'm saying? That's how we paralyze the situation. But my point is, black as fuck, I'm watching every episode. I swear to God, my stylist, Terrell, I called them every episode. I said, yo, this nigga got that shit on, nigga. like he is not fucking playing with him. That was conscious, huh? Yeah, man. No, yeah, I got one chance. I'm a fat writer.

7:19I get a chance to be on TV. I'm at least put some shit on. I'm not going to just come on. And then you was telling us off air that that was your actual crib that they turned into the set. Yeah. That's crazy. And then we had to go from the set to my crib in the morning. sleep, get in the car, then get out the car and walk back on my, I'd be like, this is crazy. This is blowing my mind. I forget sometimes. We would do that. I'm tired. You know, I did Night School, the movie, and Kevin Hart kept fucking with me because, is this every actor or like, my scene would be at 10 at night, but they come get me at 6 in the morning.

8:02The prep for TV is much different than we used to. I'm waiting all fucking day then they tap me. I get home one in the morning. I'm up at six in the morning and I'm just sitting there till like nine at night. And then like, all right, Joe, you're seen. And Kevin Hart used to catch me sleeping all day and be like, yo, this ain't the fucking studio. You can't sleep. This is what. And I'm like, damn, I felt like, you know, like, is it like that for everybody or? No, look at that. So if you Will Smith, you coming up in there 9 a.m. Samuel Jackson. I mean, even you shouldn't, the real, Kev would tell you, like, you should be scheduled.

8:42You should know where your day falls. I never did it again. Even if it's five hours off. I never did it again. You shouldn't do 9 a.m. to 1 a.m. Like, that's, unless you're working all day, that's different. But you shouldn't have to sit around. Kev wouldn't let, he doesn't do that now. That was a wild. Shout out to them. That was a hundred million dollar movie. That was a hundred million dollar movie. That was a hundred million dollar movie. That was a huge movie. And showing me love and giving me that opportunity, but never again. and I have them niggas pimping, pimp my ride. The niggas like, yo, 10 at night, come on.

9:14I'm like, yo, these niggas, I'm eating a beef jerky. Like, yo, this shit crazy. We're going to bring you out of retirement. We're going to bring you out of retirement. Oh, but you... We're going to bring you out. You know what else? For what we working with, we got a show called The Book of Jose with the Torero Brothers, and that's going to just bring that whole 80s, 90s, New York, that shit gonna be crazy. It's gonna be nuts. It is. It's not just your story. It's, you're the no joke. Like the four is gonna put hip hop. Like the idea of like all the moments that you've been there. You know what I'm saying?

9:55My favorite part is the moment that you saw a punk in the crowd. Like that's when the books are like in that private apartment, you know what I'm saying? Like, and you see something that nobody else, and you're like, this is going to, and I was like, I was like, when we, I get to get a chance to do that, to have that moment, you know what I'm saying? But you do that with all your movies or your, you know, when you take a chance with somebody or you see a guy that writes. Yeah. You're like, all right, I think he could be, you know, because you're putting your career, your word, your everything on the line on others.

10:28But you know when you see something, and if you're smart, you get stingy with it, Like if you see something, you're like, yeah, we can help each other. But I know, you know what I'm saying? Like this is something special. Try to try to bring it out. But like, make sure that you keep that, you know, people close to you. I think people and now, you know, and make sure that they get taken care of, too. I think that's important that you can. Yeah, everybody got to eat. That's what this. That's the whole, you know, my mentor, J.R. Ridinger, billionaire out of nothing. He taught me everything about business and his philosophy or ideology was everybody got to eat.

11:13He did not feel good if everybody in the team wasn't eating. And he taught me different because I come from a crabs in the barrel mentality out the Bronx. I come in the, I'm the kid, I'm the leader. you know it's come through me then it trickled down you know what I mean but after I fucked with him I realized everybody gotta eat so now you come to my sneaker store they look like they selling dope they got fucking Ben's trucks out there Rolexes Range Rovers state of the art like everybody gotta eat everybody gotta eat but it reflects on you when your team is living good and they doing great. You know, some guys, you know, what fucks me up is when people don't see the blessings of being down and they get that entitlement and they think you know, the lights can't be turned off.

12:11Right. But everybody got to cook though. If everybody's got to eat, everybody got to cook too. That's the problem sometimes. Everybody, you sometimes feel like you get around people and they feel like, you know, you want everybody, but everybody got to be a part of it. And everybody you can't just, you know, expect that you just fall off people's, put your plate onto theirs. You know what I'm saying? I think everybody, that's why the crews that I really respect and I see them come up, everybody has a lane. You know what I'm saying? And when you start figuring out what everybody's lane is, everybody is not going to fit on the freeway.

12:42Seriously. And sometimes you got to, I've gotten older and I've realized sometime now that you got to, you know, be like your crew only can have a certain amount of lanes. Of the people you really can be like, I can take care of you. You know what I'm saying? We can take care of each other. And then those people got to have, but I feel like, I think that's a problem with us a little bit sometimes is that we, and people around us sometimes just feel entitled because we all came up together. But like, you want everybody to win. But you, the whole thing is the proximity of being around you, being around you, like, that's a win in itself.

13:16I don't understand that. And I think the people - Talk slow for the people in the back. When I look, and I look, and I look at the crews that I love, and I look and I see LeBron is good, Jane is good. Like, people have jobs. You know what I'm saying? You and your people have jobs. People have things that they do. And there's not that whole, like, era of, like, people just be around to be around. I'm too old for that. You always talk about that when you show coming in the game early. You tend to, you think it's cool to want to bring everybody until you learn financially, mentally, spiritually, judicially.

13:58You had it up to hand with bills and lawyers and just taking a big entourage turns into three, maybe three or four. That's enough. My circle's so small, it's like a fucking period. I can't even fit. That's how it's supposed to be. You still got your crew, but I feel like the problem is that people feel like that they just should have. You know what I'm saying? And I feel like that causes resentment. It causes contempt. And that energy is toxic. You already know when it's a real moment. You need a real bottom. That's why we rock with 1800 Tequila. These people been making tequila for 11 generations.

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16:19What is it? No, not you. You catching the stray for no reason. No, he's not catching the stray. He's not catching it. He's catching the red carpet of these other people that are saying this bad stuff about us. So a podcast that we have, Pete Rock here. Pete Rock is very opinionated. So I ask... We don't have set up questions. We have a genuine conversation on the couch. There's nobody over there telling us not to ask. We don't disrespect. respect. We got guests that you could never get. Now go back. My 20th anniversary of Lean Back, we did the Apollo. We brought everybody. I begged CL Smooth and P-Rock to get back together.

17:04They couldn't see out. So P-Rock comes up here and I ask him, what was the fallout? So then some guy in the podcast, God bless him, he's interviewing CL Smooth. So P-Rock said he was jealous of him or some shit. I didn't tell Pete Rock to say that. Nobody did. It wasn't no cue cards. The man came out of his heart. I'm going to tell you something to your opinion, right? To double down on what you said. The same guy, he tells C.L. Smooth, y 'all feel like Fat Joe baited Pete Rock. Not true. I didn't know what he was going to say. That same guy, after he said that, his next question was like, so did Pete Rock fuck your girl?

17:42Did he smash your sister? Did he? What happened? I'm like, Yo, you baiting the man. Talking about baiting. He doing the baiting. That's it. That's the world that we live in. I just was having this conversation. And it's crazy. I remember when my, and I remember when Jay dropped the lyric, my dad had said it to me when I was a kid. This kid on the block had a Mongoose. And I had a Huffy. You know, you know, baby. I had a Huffy. And I wanted, I was like, saying something. I was like, I hate Darnell. My dad was like, come here. He was like, what Darnell eat don't make you shit. And I was like, okay.

18:16Then when Jay said, I remember it popped back up. Anyway, I went back in the house talking to my great-grandma. And she was like, she's like, what's wrong? I was like, daddy cussed at me. And she's like, what's wrong? And I was like, I told her what he said. She was like, you know what he meant by that? And she was like, if Darnel's hungry and he eats, are you going to have to use the bathroom later? And so I was like, no. She's like, so then why do you care about what Darnel eats? And I was like, and I'm telling you, and I put this on my children. I put this on my life. This is not, I'm not trying to, I have a lot of flaws.

18:44I have never been jealous of a person in my entire... I've been envious. I'd be saying that. I've been envious. I've looked at... I love Ryan Cougar. I've looked at Ryan Cougar's career and be like, oh, man, I wish I had... Like, I love... But I celebrate him. Jealousy is when you see somebody who you would love to have someone and be like, but you let it take away from that person. You stated that. Yes. I've never been jealous of a person in my entire life. And when I used to hear people in high school, girls would be like, she's just jealous. And I was like, man, shut up. I remember jealousy.

19:15It just sounds stupid. Like I'm saying, I didn't understand it when people would say. And now as I got older, I started for the first time realizing that jealousy was a real, real, real emotion. Back to what I was going to say before. Yeah, I had two albums. One's called Jealous Ones, Envy, Joe. The Jealous Ones, Still, Envy. And one of the most dangerous things you could have in your life is a family member or a so-called friend or entourage that's actually jealous of you. If you believe that one of your friends or family members is 1%, one, I'm not saying 100, 1 % jealous of you, you got to get rid of them.

20:01I agree. It's a disease and they sitting there and they're like, and you trying to be nice, bringing them to places with you. I brought guys to Madison Square Garden. I'm performing. They on the side looking at me. And I knew they was jealous. It's the worst fucking emotion. That's an old person move. It's an old person move. I don't have nobody around me that I feel is jealous. If I feel you jealous, you gone. I don't care if you're a family member. I don't fuck with you. You have to be. Because it's like somebody on dope. They can't get rid of it. You know what I'm saying? Can't stop once they get on that road.

20:40it never changed. I don't even know how it happens. And so with me, one of the biggest, believe it or not, one of the biggest problems I ever had was getting down with Roc Nation. Right? Because automatically they think, I know Jay-Z. When I tell you the dumbest dude you've ever seen in your life, the most illiterate, you know, friends that you, you know, You know their IQ is like a peanut. Yo, when you go set up the meeting with me and Jay-Z, and I'm looking at him like, yo, bro. What are you talking about? You ain't even sell an orange on the side of that. Meeting for what? What the fuck? You ain't never meeting Jay-Z.

21:30You think I'm going to do it? Let me tell you something. I'll tell you a story. I did it one time. I did it one time. Under what? No, no, but listen. Superstar rapper wants to meet the powers that be. It's the only person on the earth I introduce to the powers that be. They get him a situation, hook him up. The man don't want to pay the mission. I was mind boggling. I was just, I never look at this guy the same no more. I see him and I just like, and I'm, I'm like, and when they say, yo, so what? Can I ask a couple of questions? You know how Jay-Z says it? He says, yo, so what's your man? Yeah.

22:20That's my man now. No, it's hip hop's man. Jay-Z can sit up man. Method man's hip hop man, Fat Joe's. That's your man. I try to look up. No, it's my man who didn't pay. So let me ask a question. Was it clearly expressed? Of course. Business is business. You trying to get something done you can't do on your own. They put you in the right place. You get it done and then you don't want to pay. Like, come on. Like, nah, I can't even respect you as a man. Not only that, I have never brought a person into this building talking about, yo, great guy, this, that. I'm like, wow. I can't. He know. And, well, who?

23:04No.

23:12perhaps something for the nose perhaps you know but Kenya let me tell you something man so they make you to be like what you are but they make you to be like the voice of black people in America like Tala Perry it's a great position to be here instead of a voice though the love part is the part that hurts we need I'm of voice, but I feel like the, the part is the part that causes problems. Cause I mean, everybody's got your name in their mouth. Right. No, but everybody's like, yo, I know Kenya Barris. Kenya Barris is going to, I'm like, it's like word. I just keep my head down now. Gangsta dudes, all type of dudes.

23:55I know Kenya Barris. He said, I'm like, and they just expect so much from you. Yeah. Instead of high standing. I just keep my head down. I mean, I feel like I, I love being able to do what we do. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's a blessing. I know every day you wake up and you're like, yo, like, I never thought this was possible. You know what I'm saying? Like, some of the stuff we, you know, I still remember dreaming about the things I do today. You know what I'm saying? Like, never thought it was possible. But I think the blessing and the curse is that they need more of us. You know what I'm saying?

24:30And I feel like the idea that the few of us that there is makes it harder. One, anything you do gets blasted immediately anything anybody says is immediately true you know saying anything that that you do is put under the microscope in a different kind of way that's why i'm so like proud of like ryan and isa and you know antwan because i feel like the more we can succeed and do it on the level that is unquestionably excellent the more that it makes room for other people to come up behind us you know saying the more you get to spread your wings as you're not under such a you a microscope. You get to spread your wings.

25:08When everybody's watching everything you do, it makes it a lot harder. And there's just not a lot of, you know, writer, director, you know what I'm saying? There's just not enough. I want to be an Illuminati too. Me too. Has anybody approached you? Next time you have a meeting. Next time there's a meeting. Don't they hold him in the building? No, no, no, no. Not true. I got it. Isn't the, yo, are we 30 minutes away from the, yo. Young K, that's what they want. They're like looking at this. You know, your man, come up here. You know when you see big money. Look at this guy. Look at this guy. This guy looking 22.

25:48There's something about that level of bag that they know how to. Mine is called Brit Whitfield. Mine is makeup. And a good haircut.

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31:03If y 'all want to know what Illuminati's talking about, They talk about the peptides. That Reddit gets you better. That Reddit too would tie. Tell me about... What's the peptides? Well, you know I'm diabetic. I've been diabetic since I'm... 12. 12. Yo, you fucking... This motherfucker. When your mom took you to see the fat boys and mom burning, don't fuck with me. We gotta have a shootout here. Yo, I was like, don't fucking speak. Yo, this motherfucker, we've been around each other too long. He know everything. Shit. The point is... It came out so quick. It was like, I remember the day you came back from lunch.

31:43Yeah. And lunch was... No, no, no, no. But I'm... You know, but in any case, right now you see everybody with weight loss stuff. The weight loss stuff was a side effect to diabetes. That was diabetes medicine. And by the way, they figured out what shit you could lose weight. Like, Ozan picking all these things. but that's the 2G. I take the triple G. The third G is the gorilla. That better get you better. You see my cheekbones and all that shit. What does it do? It make you young. It make you good. I did not do my sugar to test that. It wasn't my shit. A1. My shit was out of my shit. and make you the best.

32:35If you want to know what it is. Let me tell you something. I'll tell you some other shit if we talk about, yeah, going to the gym. But let me tell you about some other shit. All the parents, listen. Autism Awareness Month. Yes. Right? You know my son Joey on the spectrum, right? Let me tell you what I've been doing. Parents, it's very, very expensive. But I get my son to stem cells every six months. It's very, very, very expensive. If you could afford it, change his life. Joey now tries to walk. Joey even tries to, the other day he called the lady, party. Like, he never said nobody's name in his life.

33:19Oh my God. Like, he never walked. He never, my son is non-verbal, nothing. He's doing shit. He get up and start dancing. Like, what? Stem cell. I've been giving it to him for two years every six months. The reason why I remember, because he just had his dose today. It's very expensive, but it will change your kid's life. If you got it, get it. Yeah, I got it. It's interesting. I've seen you with Joey. And your relationship to family is enviable. You know what I'm saying? The idea of how you, I call, you're like, my mom's right here. Joey's come, I remember you not, when I was going through my divorce, you told me, you were like, get your wife back.

34:03You're like, you're going to walk in the club. A Laker's going to be cupping her ass. Pumping her ass. That's what you got to do. You were like, you're going to... If your wife's a baddie, that's what you got to do. You got to say to yourself, okay, yeah, there's plenty of fish to see. You know, you fucking can't get embarrassed. You don't want to come in and Rui Hachabor. How about Kaminga's palm in her ass. He make her ass look small. You walk in club lifts, she on the couch. That shit was a hell of a fine visual. You threw away. You put the fucking shit on the Instagram. You put the shade room.

34:43Fuck her. You outside fucking all these girls. When fucking Steve Nash. Doran from the Pistons come in with your girl's old ass. What's the guy? What's the guy from the Knicks? Cool guy. He never plays. Darty hair? When Darty hair's part with your wife. Dio Wallace. Ben Wallace. Yeah, Ben Wallace type. Ben Wallace is at your house. Big James Oden come through with your girl. The Davis brothers. That's what you got. Yo. Now, devil's advocate. One of my friends was where. Let me tell you something. One of my friends. There's a devil's advocate to this? Devil's advocate. One of my friends was breaking up with his wife.

35:33Okay. Right? And, nah, this might be... Lost into the NBA? No, he was breaking up with his wife. And for all the wives that know Fat Joe, I'm the guy that will talk... Look what you did. You said you was going through a divorce. What'd I say? Get your wife back, brother. You don't want to... I do that to everybody I don't know their situation I'm the guy who talks the guy into staying with his wife caught him at a good time everything is timing and certain things I know for a fact you can't fix this if somebody come home and all this store up shoes running them lodging while I stand you can't, what are you fix?

36:23it's over, there's no fix so timing is always you walk in your house and the nigga got the loafer sneaker you see those yo you seen the loafer yo you're a fashionable yo Kenya you're a fashionable guy would you ever wear loafer sneakers it's a loafer and a sneaker we call it a leaker where's the stylist in the room yo why you ain't burn them shits already Oh, my God. Yo, Kenya. Trying to get that deal. I got to be completely honest. Oh, no. With the cuff over them, they're cool. Oh. But when it comes up a little bit, it's a little, you know. I mean, with the pants down, I like the shape of it.

37:12Yeah. You gave them the best compliment of all time. They look like spatulas. Listen. actually. Listen. This shit is horrible, dog. So what the fuck I was talking about just before that? Your friend. All my friends breaking up with his wife. Joe, come over here. This, this, that. I go over there. Yo, you been with your wife since high school. This, this, that. I said, yo, are you sure? I'm sure, Joe. Well, if you walk in Club Live, and Elijah Juan is cuffing your wife's ass on the couch. He said, what if I call her sucking your dick? I still wouldn't give a fuck. I said, oh, no, he's the boy. Yeah, he couldn't.

38:03He was serious. Oh, no, he's done deals. That's true. He was serious. Yeah. Wrap it up with Cruz. And then he told me this text. Whoa, because my shit usually work. Because I'm a storyteller, so I put you in the place. Yo, listen, I know this is funny, games. you think this shit is cool but when you see her he said I don't give a fuck about it was he serious? yeah he left 18 years later something happened detrimental she did something you think? yeah because he's just getting cleaned out you try to hit him with the visualizer he doubled your visualizer he told me that's nothing what you told me something detrimental happened whatever she did it was way worse than Joe where's the envelope you are not the father hit him with that happens that'll do it that will do it the man said yo Kenya the man Maury Povich I asked him right because we all know what's a moment in our life that you know we know right like so you asked me Joe what's your favorite verse ever I'm saying well we're big L you know we know yo Maury what's your biggest episode that changed your life he said the woman had twins that was selling the guy he's the father when they seen the result he was the father of one twin is this Google

39:41when I start talking is that really facts huh Huh? Yeah, they're a men-doprosti. And he was the father of what? What, they was bumping heads? Yo, this shit is crazy. He was the father of one, and somebody else was the father of the other, baby. It is possible to have twins with two different fathers, yes. No, fraternal and identical. No, that's the wrong term, fraternal. Fraternal means they don't look the same. My brother is a twin. I have fraternal twins, and I'm the father of both of them. It's called heteropaternal. Heterofaternal? Heterofaternal. Make it one damn word right up. She was fucking everybody.

40:28Back to back. Back to back to back. Really? Syggetanian. Maybe that was her profession. Oh my God. Two lovers? This is not the father. Yo, Kay. What's? How you doing out of battle slack? Off screen. Yo, K. Twins. One of them is the father, the other. Nah, that shit. And that, you might as well just let the other nigga have the other nigga. Yeah. You beat that 18-year child support, huh? That's a win it takes a win. You beat that 18-year child support. Whoever get there first, just charge the other one to him, too. What about the basketball player? he gave the girl a flat deal. She spent that million dollars.

41:19NBA was paid for the whole thing. He said 18 flat deals. Smart guy. He came back to Jesus. Yo, I found shit under the pillow. Yo, this guy's making all type of money. Nah, he hit that one-shot deal. When to take all. Everything must go. She took the million dollars. She was stupid. Ran out that bitch. I was crazy. That was such a bad lawyer. I was like a we the people fresh from a fresh out of law school just taking that's no money good for him sometimes it works against him no no sometimes it works against him I walk in a club one time this girl who I don't know her name but she was around in Miami like she was a beautiful girl but she was out let's say seven days a week forever.

42:15And she ran up to me and she was pregnant. She was like, look, I'm in the club. She said, your brother. And she told me who? Who? No, no, I might get sued right now. We're on a different level right now. But she told me who and the fucking bitch went and sat by the ball over there and was looking at me the whole night like, I got him she ain't know what to say that nigga went broke around that time bankruptcy legend it was over the best I ever know was over she got him she's sitting over there I said damn I just loaned that nigga 20 ,000 I said she's done she don't even know she thought she was in she said got him she was in for section 8 man I've been around a long time Kenya Bear you called me the Forrest Gump she told me got him your friend your brother is sat by the bar and I was watching it the whole night I was like cause she was like why is she out a seductive she was one of them but listen I'm looking at her the whole night right I'm like this cause you know I don't I don't get high or nothing I'm just I'm just fucking bitch fucking

43:44I'm looking at her and I said, man, little does she know. They come to repo everything. I don't think she got paid to this day. That shit was about 20 years ago. I don't think she made the dollar. Let me hear about what. Tell us about the logo. I got a chance to meet and tell the story of the logo. Facts. Like it really, and I went into it, I'm going to be completely honest, not even thinking he would, you know, I was going to get the chance to meet him. Did not in any way, shape or form think he would let me do it. And you know when you, sometimes you go around white people and you know immediately they're comfortable.

44:25There's a certain energy. He has that energy. You know what I'm saying? He had that energy. Like you knew immediately he was super comfortable. And also he had a bullshit to check. You know what I'm saying? You know when some people are talking and you know when they've been around and we just hit it off. And when they called me and said, you know, I could do it, I really was like, I got nervous. Because I was like, oh, this is, this means something. You know what I'm saying? Especially after you read his book, because his book is so honest about the life that he had. And he was there before the NBA was with the NBA, black and white, you know what I'm saying?

45:01Dave, Bob Coos, you know what I'm saying? And all the way through till now. That's why so many people showed up and said yes. For me, it was telling the story more than basketball, telling the story more than a man. He's telling a story about somebody who was an icon and who I learned a lot from and who I became. For me, the story that when I met MJ, I had never met MJ before. I wanted to, and I'm literally nervous, whatever. And to see him walk in, he has an aura. You know what I'm saying about it? He has an aura. He walks in, you almost can hear him walk in. You know what I'm saying? Something feels different in the room.

45:37like the temperature change. You know what I'm saying? That's a fact. He comes in, he sits down, it's all there. The moment he started talking about Jerry, though, it changed for him. Like he changed from, usually, you know, he talked about his experiences and he has that same provider, but now he's talking about somebody that he looked up to. MJ told me Dr. J was his idol. He told me that. When he talks to me, he probably spoke about him differently. You know what I'm saying? He did. And he talked, put him in a different, yeah. He felt, he felt like the trinity for him was Jerry, Mike, Kobe. And Jerry basically said the same thing.

46:15He said, they're all three of them. They're all friends. They're all talking, all exchange, you know, texts and information. And he said, they all had the same thing, that they would die on the court if they had to. You know what I'm saying? That was that, they had that cold-blooded, just killer mentality. And I think that was, that interview changed and pivoted for me how I wanted this to be. Because I was like, the dude who's the dude has this kind of respect for him. And I wanted to make it more than about basketball. And I started getting into it. And Jerry was really up on mental health. You know what I'm saying?

46:48Like his own mental health. And now men, our mental health, we often don't examine in a certain way because we're supposed to have a certain demeanor. We're supposed to keep stuck. You're supposed to sort of be a certain way and that doesn't always let in that part of you that allows you to sort of be vulnerable allows you to be sort of like i need help i'm not you know saying like it's so and i think that that was was a big part of his life i think it was a big part of like what his family had to deal with and what he had to do with you know i'm saying so it just it was it was a crazy four years to do it was a crazy journey um and it made me really respect documentary filmmakers because they have to do it in reverse.

47:28You say this, what your documentary is going to be. But truthfully, if you really want to do a good job, if I did either of you guys' stories, I would not be able to go into it saying what it's going to be. I would have an idea of what I thought I wanted it to be. But then as I talk to people and I hang out with you and we talk and I see things, it kind of tells you what it's going to be. And your job is to build it backwards. You know what's crazy? You started with a Sky Rizzy moment because I got to go use the bathroom right now. the documentary start with the Sky Rizzy old man give me two minutes Sky Rizzy it's a beautiful bill with a story to tell the 12 was hilarious I was like is it really 12 he wasn't 12 I'm not sure it was either 12 or 13 or 14 he said it so much That's why I know the number.

48:26That's why I know. I've been diabetic since I was about 12. Right, Jay? 12, yeah. You got it. It's 12. You listen. That's all I do is listen. I become a professional, avid listener with this new gig right here. How do you like it? I love it. It's fun. Is it different? Definitely different. I think the dynamic works for us because it's like, It's like yin and yang, frickin' frat. I love y 'all. The age gap that's not too far apart makes it perfect, too, because I actually grew up looking at him, but then we actually got some contemporary time being in the game together and went through some of the same things.

49:18What made y 'all want to do this? was there a moment y 'all hanging out we should do this no a few years back they had the rock team we had a few meetings to do something and then it fell through and then out of nowhere that volume came back like yo we want to be interested in creating a show with Joe and Jayla and we was with it because we was already going to do had y 'all done something together before no we never did how did they know it worked He asked how they know it would work They thought it wasn't going to work Bitch, they counted us out There he goes Are we rolling? Oh, why did he have to fix it?

50:03I went to Dwayne Wade Sit down Now I'm trying to explain something You're messing up the angles That's what I'm saying, I gotta show you No way and didn't have so much swag I said I want to thank you I said this motherfucker he been a sugar hell he been a 140th day we're talking about we're talking about the logo we're talking about the logo I know but you're saying earlier that his swag was crazy what are you talking about he asked us how did we get to here with me and you and the people thought I was not here. When I left for the piss break. You know why you got two nice ears? To listen. While you went on your Sky Rizzy for motion, me and my brother was chopping it up.

51:01He said, yo, how did y 'all even get a show with me? Y 'all get together? And how did they know it was going to work? I'm telling them, they didn't think it was going to work. He's top five dead or alive. There's actually I'm trying to tell him. What? He's actually, there actually are human beings walking around thinking that he's top five wrap up all time. Mm-hmm. Right? So he comes with a whole different type of authenticity and aura around it. Me, I'm the guy that don't admit, but I hit fucking hits out the park. I'm fucking Big Papi Ortiz. I go in there, I clean them fucking bases. Bases loaded, I smack the shit out the park.

51:45all the time, but they don't want to give it up. They never give nothing up to me, Kenya. Right. Nothing. I just win all the time. Everything's number one. You get sure. We're number one all the time. How you think I give a fuck? I walked in with that shit. Louis Vuitton, first, different, I don't give a fuck. I don't care, Kenya. I don't give a, you think, I don't know. They always do our top five fashionable rappers. These niggas can't wash my socks. They make this list. I'm like, they must not know that jacket I had on that night right next to him was$37 ,000. Fuck up! Out of here with that shit.

52:29You want me to convince me that I'm not winning? Are you to convince me? You know how high my ceilings is in the crib? That shit crazy for the... Get out of here. So I go like this. said we go right

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56:21I think by now they exaggerated the numbers. So the numbers they were saying, everybody who had a podcast, it was like, just got 50 million, like they made money. They were the first to the gold rush. but the numbers are a little exaggerated, right? It's great money, but because we smashing them. Like, so we, I know I'm in the algorithm of the money. We're there, right? So, so I pretty much know what these guys could be making or not. Like, you know, cause I know the numbers. So these guys are not like us. Unless you got kidnapped in Africa. unless you perform in the favela. I told you. What happened?

57:09I just told the story. Unless you got, unless you perform in the favela in Brazil where they just killed 69 cops the day before there where you're performing. Unless you perform in a club in Brooklyn where the guy, you don't know if the promoter's going to pay you or he got three German shepherds. You ain't did this shit.

57:37Sorry. And the worst nightmare ever was when somebody, another podcaster who was the king or whatever, turned on that YouTube and said, Jesus Christ. They gave this nigga a microphone and then Jada, little by little warming up, he's doing his facial expressions. He's bringing this. They like, holy shit, these niggas like the odd couple. They going crazy. We going crazy. Let me tell you something. I'll tell you something. I admit to something. So we got to deal with Netflix. The other day, I went, you know how they put episodes or more? I don't know if you got this. Yo, bro. Every day, if it ain't Cardi B, it's Dr.

58:28J. If it ain't Kenya Barris. If it ain't him, it's this one, it's that one, it's fucking Young Miami. Nigga, this shit is insanity what we doing up here. This ain't normal shit. This ain't normal shit. You can't take that. I'm not delirious. This shit ain't normal. If you look, I dare you, when you go to the hotel, you go to Netflix, look at the episodes and more. John Leguiamo, this one, that one, this, this, this. I don't even know because we just come to work. We get paid to do what I love to do. He don't like to talk shit like me, but I love it. I am a shit talker. You know, they used to come to kill me.

59:12Can you embarrass, man? I got to give it to you because, you know, you're a real one. But I'm going to tell you, they used to come kill me. Like, kill me. Are you listening? Yeah. They used to come kill them. they had every reason to kill me every fucking reason to kill me I deserved it is what I'm trying to tell you and when they come come on guys we're all Puerto Rican we bought equal why would you want to kill me they ain't got the gun in my face like this I deserve it come on guys it's not hard to work it's sad you know that's just that's the show I get the fuck out of there every time. So you're going to put Fat Joe up in here to tell a story?

1:00:02And we the realest in the game? You guys are done. Everybody had to pack their shit up and pull out the white flag. You think I don't know? And there's one thing I don't respect. And it ain't a person who shot because Jada does. Right? I don't respect that you've been hot for 10 years and we only did one year. We're number one. Now, I don't want to hear last year. Ryan Cougar, I seen you shot him out four or five times. Why? He the hottest nigga now. He's been the hottest. No! He's the hottest now. In recent award memorabilia. Ever. His hardware is now. Bro, don't talk about these old niggas. They had to be the same niggas.

1:00:49They're right. Not me. You can't trick me Yeah, I'm crazy. Yeah, I'm insane. But it's all in good reason. And I know what it is. And you're not young niggas scared to death y 'all threw that shit on you. Let me tell you something. I'm from the South Bronx. I'm telling you. I'm from the South Bronx. They invented hip-hop music. I was there as a kid for the invention as a fan. Not Crosstown, not this Grandmaster Flash, my brother was a Crayboy, Melly Mel, Mr. Ness lives in my grandmother's, the first female MC, Shaw Rock, lives in my projects, Ike C, the first Latino MC. Nah, nigga, I'm there. I'm in the Mecca.

1:01:41I'm there. I'm not Crosstown. I'm not hearing rumors. I'm not this. I'm there. In the soil. you. I'm just telling you all that to let you know that the Bronx ran hip-hop for about the first 12 to 13 years. There was nothing. You could be Eminem and rap and you live in Brooklyn, you not getting it. It was just Bronx-mania, right? It was a time like that. I'm in junior high school and we're doing a talent show. I do. She'll only come out at night to me and every time. Nothing to do. I seen that here. I performed that, right? Hall of Notes, right? Three girls came out to dance. And they played one DMC in the Bronx.

1:02:28Home of hip hop. All we knew was the Bronx.

1:02:35I watched 1 ,000 niggas look and say, oh, it's over. This shit going to Queens. Fast, nigga. Like, easy pass. I watched the whole Bronx. They played Run DMC for the first time. The whole niggas say, and then, and then, and then. We knew it was over. That shit was like, that's what happened to all these podcasts. when they saw Joe and Jada, they said, they said,

1:03:11let us front, let us try, let us keep going and trying to act like we the one. You ain't been kidnapped. You ain't been cute. You ain't been kidnapped. The Iron Sheik didn't ask you for perhaps sunzing for the nose. I ain't chic. They just not. And the fluidity is and they it's just not the same for them. We need more. You got a strength of coffee. It's always the new energy is everything. I feel like I love it. Listen, we went from YouTube to Netflix. First of all, what was the one we did? Now we did it on my IG. Yeah. We went from YouTube to Netflix. Everybody said, you crazy, this, this, that.

1:04:07They used to diss me every day. I don't know. They used to diss me every day. Now I've been looking at them. So the way these guys.

1:04:19The up and coming. Let's just say the up and coming podcast is because you don't like me to say. I imagine you. There's a section of YouTube that's like AM radio. good morning Vietnam they actually stepped up without them knowing every day their content was us so Fat Joe say some crazy shit yeah I met the algorithm their whole show is fuck out of here we giving them content and they're like y 'all fuck these guys they ain't really hot now we on Netflix they don't have Netflix and chill so they can't really do the commentary every day about. They do have Netflix. Miss, miss, I thought everybody has Netflix and shit.

1:05:08Motherfucker don't got$9.99. You think I need that customer? Fuck! Out of here, nigga. Like, I don't know what these people talking about. If you ain't got Netflix and shit, you ain't got$9.99, you can't buy a fucking button. I hate Fat Joe, bro.

1:05:33I'm not worried about you I'm worried about the money That's all I'm ever worried about Of course We're preserving the culture Of course This is hip hop This is where everybody Feel comfortable We never do negativity on it I love that This is all positivity I'm sick of the negative I'm sick of everything being Negative The negative shit You know what I'm saying It can be an amazing day In the world And one negative thing will come up and that will be, the internet is so happy. You know what I'm saying? Like literally, it could be arguably everyone's like, this is the best day ever. And the one negative thing, that's all everybody will talk about that whole day.

1:06:12So I love that. So ice spices in McDonald's. Yes. Some girl starts with, huh? Look how Fat Joe thinks. Crazy Fat Joe. Girl smacks ice spice, right? Who is wrong? The girl. You can't put hands on the Ice Spice eating her Chicken McNugget, whatever. And the girl come up in there and she's like, yo, she smacks her. Ice Spice a real girl. She got up. Ice Spice got the fuck out of it. She got to get rid of that friend. Done. That's that circle getting smaller. That friend got out of there on the pew. Listen, I'm talking about negativity in social media. Ice Spice gets smacked. She's, of course, she's from the Bronx.

1:06:56She's going to defend herself. She gets up. tried to get him up. These two females. A day later, the pretty girls, what's their name? Dress Dior and all of them. They fight in the club. Whoever them girls are. Huh? Who Jada Waiter? All right, because he got to get... All right, I understand. He can always... Nigga, if you don't know who Jada Waiter is or DS Dior, you see? something's wrong with you brother you don't know nobody's name I'm fried nigga you know I'm fried but I know who they are they get it popping in the club two females somebody just died too hello little kid hello he got it he got it the girl come up she smack he got it the girl smack ice spice they get it poppin the two pretty girls get it poppin now the two pretty girls in UK wanna get it poppin she ran over her with a car now she got a body she killed the girl the other pretty girl murdered her this is all generated it's all generated from social media negativity they seeing this they don't they'll mimic everything till somebody dies that's a great valid point you made my brother very it took an hour and a half and it was very effective we all got that and so social media I have you doing shit you don't want to do and so all this negativity all that I don't even you know what I'm gonna be honest with you I know everything that's going on, but I'm pretty much in the bubble now.

1:08:58I go home. I do my graffiti. If I don't go to a game or somewhere I'm getting paid, I stay home. It's just like that right now in the streets and social media and all that. It just got me. I look, you know, I've always been a guy. I never got high in all that. I've been a guy that can look at you and be like, oh, no, I don't want to do that. That's what happens. So I'm looking at social media and it's so negative. I'm like, let me just stay my ass right here. Keep your head down. Because this shit, and they love it and they celebrate it and they come every day and they start some more shit and they start, and I'm just looking at all this shit and everybody's ratting and everybody, how about there was a time where people used to ride horses, not cars.

1:09:52that somebody's grandmother or grandfather saw the horses turn into a car and then turn into a phone and then turn into an airplane that worked. Where is he going? I'm at the point where... This nigga starts conversations way ahead. I'm trying to get you... And then back... I got to see where this goes. You can figure out where... No, please finish. Anywhere he's going. It always lands. Land it. Land it. I don't know what I was saying no more. We started with horses. I don't even know what else. Somebody seen somebody on a horse that turned into a car that turned into a phone. It didn't stop. Because we're watching the evolution of destruction through the social media.

1:10:46I just gave you an example. Nah. I don't. Are y 'all listening to this? I just gave you. No, but I... Today's mathematics. Can I... All this shit goes into... Yo, what? Can I add to this, though, in a good way? The shit you're saying about the chick's fight, not even think about it like that. That was great. That was great. I'm going to say that there's an other version of it, too. That if that can happen on the negative side, we can see Cougar. We can see you. We can see... We can see... literally the positive vibrations. And I'm not even that kind of person. I'm not even talking. I'm saying, but like, that's good.

1:11:25You know what I'm saying? We can, I think there's a version of people start emulating. I don't need to talk shit about another person to be dope. I don't need to bring talk to my else down to be dope. I don't need to do this. I cannot fight and still be hard. You know what I'm saying? I feel like, you know, I feel like there is another version that people can look at. You know what I'm saying? That's why I was so, when I look at like, Like, we talk about Will Smith. You know what I'm saying? Like, Will, for every year of his life that we knew him, kept winning without being what everybody said you had to be.

1:11:59That's why I was so, you know, upset to see anything that happened, you know what I'm saying, negative to him, because I thought everybody had a bad moment. But I still remember, and I'm still going to always root for Will, because he did it so big, so long, without having to do the shit they said we had to do. You know what I'm saying? Oh, so let's shout out Chris Rock. I saw Chris Rock, too. We had like a gentleman and he's a legend, but Will Smith's moment was almost like a young Disney star. You ever see the, like Zendaya has to go from Disney to euphoria. You know, Justin Bieber goes from a Disney star to 76 tattoos in his face.

1:12:38And this, because they try to eliminate that, that image. I think, how about I know Will Smith premeditated, He meditated me smack. Oh, you think so? Yeah. I think he was having a bad day. I met, I'd seen him right after. He told me, yo, he had that coming.

1:13:00Swear to God. He might have, I think he did feel that way. No. He said, I don't care what he thought. You was one of the first celebrities I seen with Will after that. You seen some screening of some shit, but the man told me, yo, he had to get that. I said damn Will ain't give a fuck it wasn't like a spur of the moment it was something that was a hell of a place to do it

1:13:28did it momentarily fuck up the bag you think for Will? yeah Will will agree to that you know what I'm saying but the bag is so big you know what I'm saying at a certain point you're like was it worth it you know what I'm saying maybe for him it was but I feel like my point I was trying to get is I think I love the show I don't fucking sit up and like I feel like so many men right now and this is no offense to women but are not handling themselves like men you know what I'm saying like they're say that again please

1:14:03stop our love for the men out there you're not handling yourselves like a man like I don't think men sit up and gossip the fucking truth and talk you know what I'm saying publicly you know we might stuff behind, we'll talk to each other, but the idea of that is not a manly trait. You know what I'm saying? To get on and gossip, gossip, gossip, gossip. And I feel like that's becoming celebrated. And it's not something that I feel like. And men come up here, everything change. That's why I stay home. I'm home. I'm in a time machine. Everything changes. Ben slept with a woman 20 years ago. He bring this shit up.

1:14:3820 years later. Yo, I fucked such and such in 99, 89 and shit. Like, yo, bro, we don't need, they doing that. That's so against code. Yeah, that's, it's just so weird. Yo, everything we thought, the snitch and shit out of control. Like, I'm, I'm ready to snitch on somebody. I'm ready. They fucked me up. I was the last of the Mohicans.

1:15:11let me tell you something I'm so anti-snitching like it's so much in my DNA in my blood that I go to the Knicks game right and I'm celebrating you know I go in there the parking attendant is nice the cops are nice the security is nice the glizzy the guy who gives me the glizzies. Everybody's happy. It's one guy who's security. I'm talking about the gardens really, really white. You really see who the real employees are. And there's one Puerto Rican in the whole state. He's security. And he's by my seat. And if you see this or your nephews or your sons show you, please just watch it for yourself.

1:16:03and every time everybody knows Fat Joe every time I try to get up to take a picture he goes yo I'm lying yo not now this is the only Puerto Rican that work in this shit keep fucking with and I tolerate it cause I'm a nice guy and everybody loves Fat Joe and this and this and I say you know what I had to talk to myself for my inner self. I'm about to snitch on you, Snitch. It starts so far ahead.

1:16:44It's so far ahead. Have you ever seen our leader of the New York Knicks, our great owner who takes care of us, James Dolan? Have you ever seen him? I don't know. As much as this man took care of me and looks out for me, He always got a face like he don't want to be bothered. You ever seen that? He'd be there like. So, you know, I salute you and he salute me. Fat Joe, number one fan. But I don't bother that man for nothing. Yeah. He looks like he don't want to be bothered. No, no. He looks like he don't want to be bothered. I was this close. Okay. I went to the garden one day and I said, okay. I'm telling.

1:17:28No, no. His fucking day. I'm 25 years. I never asked Mr. Dolan for shit in my life. Nothing. I don't bother him. I said today. This motherfucker tells me I'm standing on that line or somebody walking through. I said, I'm going to Mr. Dolan because he's right there. Hey, Mr. Dolan. Yeah, this guy harasses me. him him in front of the fucking stadium this man and I always I don't know how to fire people I don't like to get people but whatever happens to him if he's cleaning toilets from there on he's up a deck the niggas are on unemployment and that one day is where I realized the Puerto Rican man with God that was the one day he smiled at me and was like hey Mr.

1:18:29Joe I said, this motherfucker with God right here. I said, shit, they saved this motherfucker. Because I was snitching. I'm going to Mr. Dolan Yotis, man. I can't take it. He's him. Thank God he smiled at me yesterday, you know.

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1:21:22One dollar a day premium based on 2024 average new policyholder data for accident and illness plans. Pets age zero to 10. So when I got this is the whole thing I don't understand. The whole everybody's snitching at the same time. The idea, though, of what when is snitching OK and who is it OK for? The reason that I feel like it's not OK for what we're here, because these are niggas from the street who does a cold. and what they live by. If that's what you're going to live by, that's what you got to die by. If you're a criminal or do crime, you shouldn't snitch. I agree. But I tell my child... If you're not under any of them umbrellas, you have the right to remain silent or call the police or call for help.

1:22:08There needs to be a distinction put out there because it's becoming... There's too many rappers and street niggas that are telling people you can't snitch, you can't... And I'm like, that's a culture. That's wrong. For that culture and for that lifestyle, that's the rules. But I'm going to tell my child... Snitch! The rules... You know, I got a guy I put on one of my albums. He's from Atlanta. Who? Big Bank. Who? Big Bank. He got a podcast. He always talks that real shit. The other day, he put a picture of one of them white boys crying as shit. He put a song behind it. Like, I forget what song it was.

1:22:50It was the funniest shit in the world. But we've reached a moment. We've reached, it was a pivot. What you call it? A pivot? Not an end of the, he played end of the road. It was the end of, it's like everybody you thought was real. Right. It failed you. And you sitting there and you just like. I mean, the snitch is this. Your mom's gets robbed. your lady, your wife gets robbed, your daughter, son, whatever, they can call the cops on everybody. But if you out here pretending to be a gangster, if you out here talking in your music like you some super extra gangster nigga and all of a sudden you get, it's like, what's my man from Living Color?

1:23:42Remember the educated? What was the educated guy? Damon Wayans when he was the educator. All of a sudden you were educated. Y 'all, I'm a businessman. I'm snitching. This shit out of control. You had me fooled. So I stay home. Because all the rules I grew up by is out the window. And I've been living by a code that they almost got me confused. Like, when I go up to heaven, Am I going to go up and speak to my guys and they're going to be like, man, you fell for that shit. You move like, you know what I'm saying? Because my whole life I try for the, yeah, am I flawed? Am I not a perfect guy? Am I this?

1:24:33Yeah, correct. I'm a sinner, whatever you want. But for the most part, I try to follow the rules, like really follow the rules. so everything I grew up by and all the morals and all the codes this shit got me confused so I'm sitting here like yo this shit but that's social media too because I feel like it's squashing everybody into one and it's like everybody who's a rapper ain't from the streets you know what I'm saying but they feel like they have to be or have to assume you know have people assume that they are because they want to be part of well I like Tyler the creator Yeah. But Tyler Crater's from L.A.

1:25:14and from the hood. You know what I'm saying? Tyler Crater's... How about that? People don't know. Tyler Crater's not like a yee. Tyler Crater's like, he just don't... He chooses to rock the way he does, but he's from Hawthorne and Carson. You know what I'm saying? He's from a real part of L.A. He grew up around real niggas. You know what I'm saying? He just is the way he is, and those are real dudes around him. And I love the fact that he doesn't feel the need to sort of be something that he doesn't feel like he is. I think that's the way it worked for me since they were. I have friends who are the nicest, sweetest guys, tell the greatest jokes, worked hard their whole life, this, this, that, and I respect them for who they are.

1:25:52They ain't got to be extra tough for me. How about the tough guys don't act tough? The more tougher the guys is, the more dangerous it is, the more nicer the guy is. I met guys that their fucking reputations, You're doing a movie with one of these gangsta guys from L.A., right? Mike Concepcion. Mike Concepcion. You know how legendary is that name? Every time I got around him, he was a perfect gentleman. That's right. So every time you hear all these rumors and when you get around the real ones, you're like, wow. I was just at Top's house, right? Top. Another one. Top is a legend, but he's a reputable.

1:26:33No, no, he's a super legend. bounty hunter. He's a reputable, you know what I'm saying, one of the most lethal hoods in Los Angeles. Beyond respect in a different way. I know of him. That's right. Forget the hood. I know his jail time. Yes. And he was beyond respected in jail. His people are wildly respected in jail. Yeah. You go around top and it is, he is happy to be in his beautiful home, beautiful home, he was next door to Elon Musk and the King of Qatar. And he says he don't want none of the street. You know what I'm saying? Like, but he knows what he, he is what he is and he's a real one.

1:27:19And I feel like I, to me, that's what, you know, I respect the idea when I go around him, I feel, I feel comfortable. You know what I'm saying? He doesn't need to be a gangster. He is a gangster. You know what I'm saying? He doesn't, and I feel like he doesn't need to talk about it. You know what I'm saying? He's a brother. You know, for me, it gets overwhelming, right? So shout out to the one-year anniversary of my brother Rich Player. He got Dynasty Commodity Cannabis in Harlem. You ever come to New York? It's a dynasty. But I go there for his one-year anniversary with every gangster. I counted in my one hour there, 350 years of jail time.

1:28:01And my one, I'm sitting there. I'm not going to lie to you. It gets overwhelming for me to hear everybody telling gangster stories and it won't stop. And for me, Fat Joe, I'm going to tell you something about Fat Joe. Fat Joe talk a lot. Hello. But the people that know, they know he don't talk a lot. The shit I can't talk about, I keep to myself legendary. I got a treasure chest of shit out there. With the nigga who killed Hoffa, the niggas, the shit, wild shit. For some reason, they want to come to me. For some reason, all these guys who did the most historical shit you ever heard in your way.

1:28:52I'm sitting in Dubai one day. I'm not lying to you. I'm sitting in Dubai one day with white linen on, with the sea shot, Everybody's shit.

1:29:03Crack, what's up? I killed such and such in Dubai. Who? Well, a dude had the nerve to tell me he killed Tupac. And the dude is a superior gangster of the ages, nigga. They got movies about him. So I'm sitting there like this.

1:29:31one day I got a tuxedo on with a fucking bow tie and somebody come up to me and say, yo, you seen the movie Play the Fool, Joe? Yeah. I'm the guy who gave Rich Porter the guy the 10 keys. He did this. And that's why I get, like, I don't know why. They have to tell me every aspect of American gangster culture and break it down. I don't want to hear that. If I'm with these niggas, Yo, let's get money, man. Let's eat a fucking sandwich or something. Like, why I got to eat it? No, it becomes overbearing for me. It becomes, it's too much, gangster. And right now, I'm looking at all these niggas telling and all that.

1:30:16I'm like, yo, I don't even know what, I don't know what's going on. You talking about Mike, it says Mike told me, he was like, you from here, you know a lot of people who have these relationships, you know what I'm saying? And I grew up in the city, and so people coming out. And he was like, you don't want no parts of it. He was like, because once you start going down, he was like, Mike is like, go buy some real estate. Let's go to the Dominican Republic and hang out. He's like, once you start putting yourself, and it's a lot of people we all know that say they're from hoods, they're even from L.A.

1:30:52They're saying they're getting pressed, they're getting taxed because they want to be a part of it. So that once you become a part of it. How do they want to be a part? You can't get out of it. They want to be a part of it? Yeah, they want to be a part of something. They want to feel like... And it's all fun and games until it's not fun. What? No, it's never fun and games. And the thing about... You ain't getting out. Let me tell you the biggest problem with LA, crime politics. LA is not safe. It's not safe. I was going to say that right. For anyone. LA is not safe. And what I'm trying to tell you is I done been with the King of Bel-Air.

1:31:31I'm talking about the Jerry West of the gang. The logo of all logos. Ooh! These things we can't talk about, kiss. But what I'm saying is I done come out the club and niggas front on him. The guy on the Mount Rushmore. the fucking guy who went to the moon first the illest nigga I ever lived yo homie what's that about homie I'm like yo if they don't respect the fucking John Gotti I'm sitting there with the John Gotti of LA like this and they trying to play with him I'm like yo they got no respect out here one of the biggest rules you have to learn in life don't invite me to Yonkers if there's a crazy nigga in Yonkers that can scream on me and try to stick me up in front of you.

1:32:27Don't do it. People invite you to the hood. Nothing's going to happen to you. I'm not saying that, Kiss. I'm not talking about you personally. I'm not talking about Yonkers with you. That's great. But I've been in situations where I don't went places with guys that I thought had the juice there I'm talking about younger before rap and they ain't really had a juice. So you think you with that dude and then they acting funny, you like, you're my man. I thought you had this on live. You ain't got this? Everybody got juice. Everybody from here, everybody there till you go there. The nigga be like, yo, get out of here, Joe.

1:33:13It ain't safe. It's time for lying right now. Like, are we lying?

1:33:23this shit smoking mirrors like a motherfucker out here. And I understand that. So that's why, you know, all the crazy guys, the real killers, they love Fat Joe. I never had a killer not like Fat Joe. In fact, when I chill with them, they tell me I'm crazy. They say, you fucking crazy, Fat Joe. I've been with guys that their name is so scary in New York that I've talked to them and I got a million dollars of jury on. like this. They say, excuse me, Joe, one second. They go across the street. They stick up a rapper, a known rapper, come back with the chains in their neck. You know, I just go over there.

1:34:09You know, I stick up such and such. You know this, and I'm looking at them. I'm saying, you what? Yeah, I just robbed such and such. And so I don't understand that language. You know, I don't understand that. That's why I stay home and I draw a lot. Keep your head down. It's stuff a lot. You know, these niggas. The point is, listen, guys, whether you rap, whatever the case may be, don't go to somebody's hood and they're acting and pretending like they got the power. You shoot dice in that lobby and the real guy comes out because the money stay on the floor. they say leave it here right what they say at them dice games they be like yo yo yo money on the wood no not money on a good gun nah when they didn't come out and be like yo leave it all there even Fat Joe know better that's how Mike got put in a wheelchair gambling at a crap game well it wasn't gang banging it was at a crap game that's how it happened yeah my man Black Ant was the nicest the best guy in the world he was not pussy he lost a game over a dollar and they stabbed him in the heart Because he didn't have the dollar.

1:35:23That's a true story. I told you his name, Black Ant. From McKinley Projects. The best guy in the world. He didn't have the dollar. They stabbed him in his heart. I'm in Harlem getting money. This is before rap. I'm in Harlem getting money. And some guys are shooting dice. Some guys are shooting dice across the street. Of course I go not mind my business. It's a legend, Bob Lemon. I'll tell you his name. Bob Lemon. He did like 30 years with Boy George and all of them. East side of Harlem. I start shooting dice. I start beating these. I'm not even a gambler, can you? I start beating these guys and all fat Joe know how to do it.

1:36:08Fuck that. You know how this shit. Then I realized, like, how am I getting out of here? I had to give everybody some money. I was like, yo, yo, ran in my truck. got the fuck out of there. I realized, oh, shit. I overstepped my boundary. I ain't even from here, nigga. They'll take my head off. It's the awful lot. So, yeah, you guys should watch the documentary. Thank you. Where's it on? It's on Amazon Prime. Amazon Prime. It's called Jerry West. The logo. You know what Jerry West taught me.

1:36:53I'm watching Kobe Bryant's funeral on TV. Michael Jordan is giving his speech and he's in tears. He says, I believe he said, I told my wife I didn't want to do this because I knew they were going to make me a meme. At that moment, because some people try to act like they're not on social media or they're not watching. Everybody got a dummy account. They try to act like this. So I'm really thinking Michael Jordan ain't on social media. He playing golf. Now he on the boat. He, you know, he's not fucking with that, right? But when he says my wife, I told my wife that I didn't want them to make a meme.

1:37:36The camera shot to Jerry West and he immediately started laughing like he knew what he was saying. I said, this motherfucker on social media. Jerry West. He understood exactly what Michael was saying. No matter how, because he's a logo. He got to be old now. How old is he now? He was 83 in the past. That motherfucker was laughing and shit like, oh, meme. I said, yo, everybody watching social media. Even Jerry West, the logo, knew what time it was with that. You know, great work, Kenya Barris. I can't wait till we get our shit started. I need to meet Tyler Perry. I need to meet Tyler Perry and all your other Illuminati friends.

1:38:22Issa got to have a bag for me. Tyler would love to come. I need them all. You know y 'all got that little, you know I know, syndicate. We need society crew. We need in. I can read. You know what I mean? I'm registered in. I'm SAG registered. man I want to shout out Netflix for supporting us and giving us the bag

1:38:51I don't lie to you guys this is a race to the paper guys sending me watches for half a million that's what the texts I get when I'm home they're like yo this is the one of five this is the one I'm not trying to be broke never and thank God I told him one day I stood home, you know, you love your family. But the one day they leave, the house feels like a sanctuary, don't it? It's so nice. You get to eat whatever the fuck you want. You chilling. You watching. And I start looking at my light bulbs in the house. Fucking light bulb. You're so far ahead of the story. And I'm like, no, what I'm trying to tell you is I grew up so fucking poor.

1:39:40everybody was running around here with leather v bombers i had the plastic my nigga i tell mayor mayor from patterson projects he's like yo this i said bro you know why i know your projects there's a hundred projects in the bar he said why face to face was right behind your process you know what face to face is face to face is when your mother goes and begs welfare to give us some fucking food stamps so we can eat breakfast. Oh, shit. Well, I'm from the soil, the bottom of the shit. In the summer, we ain't had no AC. You had to sleep on the floor low. It's cooler. No paper toilet? Wet the newspaper.

1:40:22Wipe your ass with the newspaper. I'm like, y 'all want this shit or not? No paper toilet? No paper toilet? Wet the newspaper. Wipe your ass. Paper toilet. They don't want it. Y 'all hear this? Toilet paper? Thank you. You know, Puerto Ricans, we say throw us a picture. I never knew what the fuck that meant. Throw us a picture. You can throw me a picture? Throw me a picture. Like, but my point is, Kenya, when you get to looking at the light bulbs. Holy shit. I look at my light bulbs like, no, we got light bulbs. This is expensive light bulbs. Fucking light bulbs. LED. Baccarat. You know what I'm saying?

1:41:06I'm just so blessed. What you mad about, two-timer fella? I seen your face.

1:41:15Yeah, but that's how I feel. Every day I'm looking at them penny loaf of shit you wearing over there. You got nursing school. They're not even nurse shoes. They're nursing school shoes. You got a tall booth wearing your shoes. Listen, Kenya Burris, thank you so much, man. This ain't that. The logo, man, on Amazon Prime. Make sure you check it out. I'm watching that shit tonight. You heard? Crack and kiss. Make some noise for our brother. Can you embarrass? You heard?

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From the publisher

Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by award-winning filmmaker and showrunner Kenya Barris, the visionary behind ‘Black-ish,’ ‘Girls Trip,’ and more. Barris breaks down his new Amazon Prime documentary on NBA legend Jerry West and describes The Logo’s “basketball trinity” of himself, Michael Jordan, and Kobe Bryant as players who would die on the court. Joe and Jada chop it up with Barris about his upcoming collaboration with Fat Joe, the blessing and curse of being a voice for Black Hollywood, and why Ryan Coogler, Issa Rae, and Antoine Fuqua earning at the highest level makes room for everyone behind them. They also get into why it’s important to keep your circle small, the entitlement that comes with proximity to success, jealousy being the most dangerous thing you can have around you, and men needing to remember how to carry themselves like men. Plus, Joe tells a wild story about almost snitching to James Dolan at the Garden, they commiserate on the negativity surrounding social media, debate the Will Smith-Chris Rock Oscars moment, and break down their respect for Tyler, The Creator and Top Dawg.

Joe and Jada is now STREAMING ON NETFLIX!

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5:00 Joe treats the Knicks games like the club

9:00 Kenya & Joe collaborating on new show

18:00 Why Kenya has NEVER felt jealous

22:30 Kenya shouts out Ryan Coogler, Issa Rae & Antoine Fuqua

34:30 Fat Joe's hilarious advice after Kenya's divorce

44:00 Kenya on his new Jerry West documentary

48:30 Breaking down the Joe and Jada dynamic

1:00:30 Joe talks his talk about the podcast game

1:13:00 Will Smith-Chris Rock Oscars incident

1:16:30 Joe was ready to snitch at the Knicks game

1:24:30 The TRUE rules around snitching

1:29:30 Top Dawg & L.A. street politics

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