Kirk Franklin premieres NEW SINGLE w/ GloRilla + talks Usher backlash, Uptown Records deal & gospel-rap origins

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30:02Available on Plus and Pro Plans. This is Colin Coward from The Herd with Colin Cowherd. Everyday American heroes put it all on the line to protect our freedoms, communities, and families. And behind every folded flag and retired uniform is a family that carries the weight of their sacrifice. Folds of Honor steps in with educational scholarships for spouses and children of fallen or disabled military service members and first responders. The mission is life-changing and monthly donations make it possible. Become a donor today at FoldsofHonor.org to help meet their sacrifice with hope. I have a question for both of y 'all.

30:42You know, y 'all have big stars come through, you know, everybody pulls up. So, like, own everything. and you ain't even got a cap don't be trying to be awesome. I don't cap, man. What was it about your boy that y 'all felt like that this would be a cool marriage for me to pull up and chill with y 'all? What was it when it even came up? How did you know that it would fit? First of all, you're a big deal in our community. We love you. We're not in church every day. I fear God to the most. Okay? And I understand God. And I don't understand people when they doubt God. I've seen them too many times.

31:25Facts. Like, I've been in situations where I've felt them present. Like, present. You know what present is? Yes, sir. Like, God, I know you here. Facts. Like, God, you here. Like, I know. I'm not delusional. He's proven it to me so many, many, many times. So I never doubt. My biggest fear is the blame when the joint going like this. like, all right, God, man, you gave me a great life. Can I make it out of this one? As he got a billboard on Times Square. I ain't got to make it an as he's choice. You know, so, but I never questioned him, right? And so we love you for that. You're always spreading positive message.

32:07You're a musical icon. You got 20 Grammys. I'm trying to figure out, do I got to start doing church music? Because I'm like, God won. I've been trying to get a Grammy like I'm hustling everybody Jimmy Jam, Babyface I'll get a Grammy, they got 34 Grammys, I'm like yo how do you you know so you know we respect you above all and this show is a grown man show you know we hip hop, sometimes I go crazy but at the end of the day we want to enlighten, they watching in every barbershop, they watching in every hood. They watching in South Central LA, they watching in the South Bronx. This show is for everybody.

32:49And even people who ain't really necessary black or Latino that's watching on Netflix and maybe they can come in here and they can see some positivity. We have Montel Jordan on, like him and his wife. I love him. He for real, for real. Oh, no, no. I love him to death, but I asked him a question that I thought was like ill. Like if you was giving out awards for questions, I said, listen, no, no, I'm telling you the truth. What do you want me to do? I'm telling you. I thought it was ill. I play around so much, they're not taking me serious. Right? So I go and I say, last time I saw you, because I love Montel Jordan.

33:29I'm a huge, huge fan of him. I feel like great guy. I know he's church. And so I go, you know, last time I saw you, we had a show together and you had just beat cancer. And then next thing I know, I'm looking at ball alert, shade room, and court cancer again. I said, what was your conversation with God? Great question. See what I'm saying, Kurt? You see, you can throw your glasses on for this one, bro. No, great question. What's your conversation with God? Yeah. He saw you and this. Yeah. And then, you know, he just answered it. But I thought that was, you know, and it was incredible. You know what I'm saying?

34:17And so that's how, so we got everything. We bring everybody from all walks of life so that everybody can get a little, and it's always positivity. This is probably, I don't want to say it to them because they think we crazy and all. Well, they think I'm crazy, right? But we go viral all the time. but at the end of the day, this is a positive show. And we always, and this positive. This ain't a shop, Jock. We ain't coming in. So was you with the lady, the deacons? What? We don't play. That's not going down here. We're going to talk positive and we still going to get the message out there. We're going to laugh.

34:55We're going to have fun. The people are going to be tuned in. You remember when you were on tour and this last big reunion tour and y 'all came through Dallas. I don't know if you remember this, but you said to me, you said like, yo man, it's I got some records and I want to do something. I don't know if you remember saying that to me. You remember saying that? I definitely do. Bro, Jada said - You going to do it? Are you kidding? You going to do it? Don't tell me that. Let me get hit me one out the park. I'm in the church every Sunday. So now let me ask you a question. How, what has been your journey, your own personal journey?

35:32Like I'm hearing from him, But what's been your positive and negative experience just as a black man in America when it comes to faith? I think my family, my mom, my recipes and my grandmother, both of them. They had me. They was dipping me in early. You know what I mean? So I always had ties and connections. Even to this day, my mom's probably called me three, four times a week, prayed for me, prayed with me, sent me a prayer to the phone. She always made sure I was connected to other Bibles and did stuff for the church and been baptized and to festivals and send the watermelon trucks and juice.

36:24So I'm always, I gotta, I'm always been reminded, no matter which way I'm going, left or right, my mind was always there to say, you know, you gotta put first, you know, of all the savings. So don't get too, don't think, I don't care how much money's coming, how much fame, I don't care about verses, I don't care about none of that. Make sure you know what's going on with your faith before you think you, you're Jason. but that Jadick stuff to the side and know who you are and know what's going on that's dope so I was always able to be grounded like that I'm a single child always so I always got double the I mean I'm a I was the only child so I was I caught it from I was catching action do you two both of you do you to see I want to answer that question too let's go let's go Jesus is Lord there's nobody bigger than God right and I super understand that and many years ago when I caught my first record deal I rushed home to tell my mother that I got signed that I got a record deal that I'm gonna leave the streets I'm gonna be a rapper and when I get there she looks sad and I'm like what's wrong so she got diagnosed with cancer that day now Now here I am, happiest moment of my life, maybe like 18, 19, something like that.

37:59And so my mom looks at me. She did something you should never do to your child. If you're ever sick or anything like that, she looked at me. She said, Joe, I don't want to die. That was like getting hit with Achilles sword. Like I was just like, oh my God. Right. I don't want you to die. I'm only 18. Right. So we go to the doctor. and the doctor says to me, if this was my mother, I would send her home and maybe she got three months, six months, but I would enjoy every day with my mother, right? And she's there, right? So I'm like, for real? But what? He says, listen, your mom's so weak. It's so, he said, man, she got like a 1 % chance and my mom's got up and said, you heard him, Joey?

38:49we got 1%. We got a chance, Joey. We got a chance. We start jumping up, smiling. Yo, we got one chance. She did the operation. She couldn't speak no more. She had no more voice, but she lived 30 years after that. Wow. And did so much for me. Helped me raise baby Joey, everything, and was so instrumental in my life. And so, you know, from that moment, I really knew God. you know what I'm saying and I did so much messed up stuff Kirk that I should have been I should have been gone I should have been out of here the bullet went like this bullet came but went like this that's when I knew there is a God I got a two part question for you after all these years what does this next chapter look like and how's it been being partners and doing business with Uptown?

39:51I know Uptown, isn't that something? Legendary label. Isn't that something? I mean, you know, for them to see something in me that I can contribute to their legacy, you know, I mean, I was honored, humbled, and just led to be able to bring something to them that I feel or that I felt or that I hoped would be a marriage that they could be very proud of. And so I'm not one king to want to rest on, on like past laurels, you know, I don't want to be known for what I did. I want to be known for what I'm doing, you know, and, and, and I'm hungry. You know what I mean? Like I'm still hungry. Like I'm, like I'm government cheese home.

40:42That's right. I'm the leader of the free lunch bunch. summertime. I got free lunch, free lunch. I got an anthem, free lunch, free lunch. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm the leader of the free lunch bunch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. On everything. And, and, and that type of energy is, you know, and of course a lot of it, you know, it's from my own abandonment issues. You know what I'm saying? You know, mama didn't want your dad, they don't want you. So, you know, you know, every day you live in, like, you know, you running, like you chasing ghosts, you know what I'm saying? Like you trying to protect that little young boy, right?

41:15You know what I'm saying? It's like, you know, I don't want to starve again. So it's like, it's like I'm, you know, every album is my first album because I don't want to starve again. You know what I'm saying? You know, it's, it's, it's, I've stayed at the, you know, rat hotels and I've stayed at the five star. I don't want to go back to the rat hotel. No, we don't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, last week, man, God taught me a lesson. It's a literal, he teaches me all the time. he lets me know yo stay humble I do a show sold down St. Louis I get on a plane rushing back here to go to the Jay-Z viewing of his documentary big deal and the plane gets cancelled like four times we on it we take off the ACA work they come back we take off again something else came on this four times so I ask my people yo get me on the next flight, the only flight that gets me in is coach.

42:13Now, I have a prayer. I did it this morning when I woke up. Every single day I pray to God, please, God, I need to be first class. I can't be coach. No, no, no. I'm humble. I give back. I do anything you want. I smile. I do whatever. I don't want to be coach. I went one time to coach to a friend's wedding and I sat next to the Beverly Hillbillies and these kids was climbing over my shoulder, throwing potato chips in my face. I can't do it. But now it's time. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. I accept it. And I'm about to go coach is the only way to get back. Yeah. Right. And I would have been in big trouble around this building if I ain't make it to that Jay-Z thing.

43:00Right. So I go, so I'm walking past the first class. I look, I said, oh my God. You know how they say, I know you don't know, but maybe you saw it in the movie, how they say the girls be having to walk ashamed the next day. They come up out the hotel with yesterday's club. I'm walking through that first class. Busta Rhymes is sitting there. I said, oh my God. The one time I'm a stick coach in my life, Busta Rhymes. Yo, Busta, yo, peace, gang. So I'm walking, I'm about to leave the first class. and this DJ gets up, scratched. He said, Joe, what's up? I said, long story. Long story. Missed the flight four times.

43:41I got to get back to see. He said, oh, no, you can't sit back there. I said, no, scratched. He said, you got to take my seat. Wow. The donkey is sitting in the back. Wow. And I ain't even fight him. I don't want to owe nobody this type of favor either I said nah I ain't good you right scratch y 'all let me sit down in that chair man that God taught me just that in that time frame right there he said alright you gotta go coach don't worry this now I walk up in there I'm like oh my god as I go on I had to give me the C I'm still first class so I had to know y 'all no matter who you think you are Yeah, yeah, yeah.

44:24You got to know that God runs this show. Let me jump in. Also, though, is that what I can also add to that is that there are times that God divinely orchestrates the coach moment. And so. This is what I'm trying to tell you. No, but watch this though. Watch this though. Is that whether it's the Rad Hotel or coach, it is also necessary, not in that situation. I'm talking in general, that a lot of times because we've been blessed with so much, a lot of times it is important to sometimes touch that backseat. It's important sometimes to be able to get that in a horrible room service. It's because it reminds you that you can have it but not need it.

45:09You see what I'm saying? The problem is when we need it. There's nothing wrong with having it. But the challenge is when we need it. is because, see, our identity is not in what we do. Our identity is in who we are. See, what we are and what we do are two totally different things. Somebody may ask you who was Whitney Houston. You may say she's a singer. No, that's what she did. That's not who she was. And the problem is we identify people by what they do. So what happens is if your identity is always what you do, you always become a human doing and never a human being. So what you got to do, sometimes you got to touch that back seat sometimes.

45:48So you can be reminded that if God, if life, if my career takes all of this away, I'm still who I am. And my value ain't in any sneaks and this whoop, whoop, whatever it is, my value is because God said I'm a king. God said I'm a queen. Even if I'm in the back, I'm still a king. And what that does, it teaches other people in the back, but they kings too. Ooh. I'm sorry I didn't give them that opportunity. I'm sorry. I'm going to have to volunteer coach in the future. I'm going to have to go in. That's the plan. Next flight, you're going to say coach, right? You're going to touch your back a little?

46:31Like my little Diet Coke, man, those peanuts. You know what I'm saying? I love it. No. This fancy girl back here. She ain't hitting no coach. I love her. Shout out Danielle Latina. But you got to know, and then your new boss lady from Uptimus, she's so peaceful. Yeah, man. And brilliant. I thought she was the leader of the choir when I walked in. Man, we got the leader of the choir over here. How you doing, man? He's so peaceful. We got some new music. We got a new scene. Yeah. I heard it's fire. Hold on. I ain't hear it, but I heard it. It's fire. Let him set it up. So how do y 'all feel about these worlds when gospel and hip-hop come together?

47:17I love it. That's all we talking about. Do you love it? Gospel and hip-hop coming together. Yeah, yeah. Right now. But it still got a slap, though, right? Your problem would be if it didn't slap. Facts. Okay. So I'm about to play a record, and it features Glorilla. That's right. That's my girl. And I'm going to be looking at y 'all because I know that y 'all are the elite slapologists. Okay? Y 'all are slapologists. I love that. Slapologists. Okay? And I'm going to be looking at your face because, and I need to know in real time, does this pass your history of slapology? Okay. No doubt. Let's do it, man.

48:06Oh, you got to put that loud. Come on. Hold on. Pull that back. Break that.

48:18Oh, it's already on it.

48:41We gon' be. We gon' be. We gon' be fine this time. Can't do it by this time. Thoughts gon' lose my mind. Devils a lie. Hell yeah, that's right this time. We gon' be. OK, OK. Time's been up for me. Angels watching me. Protect me when I'm falling. No, it's OK. The plans you have for me. Greater than I can see. It's your name, we keep on calling.

49:08That's hard. That's hard.

49:26It's your time. We'll be fine. We'll be fine. We on me. Yes, sir.

50:00I'm in my bed and bow to bless them, have faith. But I might just name my ass. The devil work it to go crazy. Somehow he still ain't one. You blessed me so much and it's the fact I know you still ain't done. Amen. We gon' be fine this time. We gon' be fine this time. We gon' be. We gon' be fine this time. We gon' be fine this time. Come on. Yeah, my mind is time. Finally, it's my time. Feelin' inside this time. It's your time. We gon' be fine this time. It's your time. We gon' be fine. We gon' be. What we do? Hands in the air. Hands in the air. I'm with you, where you got me. Hallelujah. You're in control, gotta let go One thing I know, we gon' meet We gon' meet by this time Can you do the ride this time?

50:36Fox on New Time, I never rely Got this right this time Let's go!

50:53Tati and Kirk Kirk, that might be your biggest song ever right now No, I heard here first. You're the first one. Stop, James. We know we break the records. Young Miami came up in here with that spinness. And me and Jada, we was like, we know a hit when we hear it. So talk to me. Talk to me. That's out of here. That's what I love. Of the slap. Of the slap curriculum.

51:27when I tell you when you go we'll be fine this time we'll be fine this time we'll be wow I think everybody needs to hear that every morning wow anybody not just church not just you want to feel great about your day yeah you know what I'm saying because I'm at the age now that when I wake up I got one I go like this I go look out the window oh we up we got another day yo God Thank you, baby.

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54:28ChatGPT can do more than answer questions. It can help you get real work done. ChatGPT work is built for bigger projects with multiple steps. You bring the goal along with the information it needs, like briefs, notes, files, feedback, calendars, data sets, or project plans. Then, ChatGPT can help turn all of that into something useful. An analysis, a tracker, a deck outline, a prototype, or a workflow you can keep shaping. It can also use approved apps, connected tools, files, and browser contexts to help move the work forward. And you stay in control. You give direction, review drafts, approve actions, redirect the work, and choose the final output.

55:10so you spend less time sorting through busy work and more time making progress on the work that matters. Put ChatGPT to work on your most ambitious ideas and projects. Get started at ChatGPT.com by selecting work mode. Available on Plus and Pro Plans. This is Colin Coward from The Herd with Colin Cowherd. Everyday American heroes put it all on the line to protect our freedoms, communities, and families. And behind every folded flag and retired uniform is a family that carries the weight of their sacrifice. Folds of Honor steps in with educational scholarships for spouses and children of fallen or disabled military service members and first responders.

55:51The mission is life-changing and monthly donations make it possible. Become a donor today at foldsofhonor.org to help meet their sacrifice with hope. This one is for the OGs. Let's keep it 1800. honey. Sona, have both of you ever had anybody sit here and play a record and you had to say to them, nah. When it ain't right, you just start looking at the light bulbs. It's almost like you get the little Tweety birds around you. We don't change garbage. We just give you the like to get the room, get a little sound. Yeah, because I'm asking. I just want to make sure I just told you that might be your best record ever this is what I'm trying to tell you I don't lie listen I'm trying to make sure you're not giving me the Apollo joint no no no no no no no no no no this is what I'm talking about first of all I love to move I'm talking about remember yeah he's here You know, a sandman grab the cane and pull you by your neck.

57:08Yeah, but what I'm talking about, though, both of you know what I'm saying. Like, the word always was that when you go to amateur night, do a gospel song because they don't boo you. Like, you know, like, they don't boo you. That was always the rumor. You know I won four weeks. You didn't know? Yeah. I know. That's a good one. I don't know. Has anybody ever heard that before? Like, the cheat code was if you perform on amateur night at the Apollo... I need to tell you what's the cheat code at the Apollo. I can't do. You want me to tell you what the cheat code is at the Apollo? I started in Apollo.

57:40I won four weeks, number one. Really? That's how I became fadget. That's how I learned. Really? I had Red Alert and all I got on. Nobody been to Apollo more than me. You get a heavy set, girl. And she starts singing, And I am telling you. And she kicked them shoes off. That is the cheat code. Every week for 40 years, you get a girl like that, you almost won. You like, yo, I got this. Yeah. This, this style. What you got to sing, Crack? And I am telling you, I am not, yo. And they kicked them shoes all the time. He ain't camping, though. He ain't camping. They let them go get they cousin. Almost like every week, no, he ain't camping.

58:25Every week, somebody did that record. Every week. That is the biggest song in Apollo history. Once they do that. Well, I just wanted to make sure that when y 'all played that record, I'm just trying to make sure that I'm sitting next. Well, shout out Shorty Lowe, who's one of my favorite guys. Rest in peace. Yeah, rest in peace. Shorty Lowe. That's slapping in church. I love that song. Choir rehearsal. You know what's crazy is? In the car. That's a slap. That's certified slap. Wow. And is moving the needle. So one thing, you know, I've always listened to gospel music, gospel rap. I used to go to a barbershop in Miami.

59:05It ain't really Miami. I don't know if it's Highly or something. And the barbershop was gospel. It was not played nothing but gospel hip hop. That's it. All the barbers was church, dead nice. So you got to go to them. They're the nicest ones in Miami. And you go in there, everybody's gospel, and they just be playing the gospel joints. And it was always, to me, at that time, it was always like a safe gospel. like and so you I think you push the envelope forward as you should I've always knew this since then I was like yo they should just go for it go for it and you can't say the same thing so everybody you know I've always thought gospel rappers could be more like a scar face and then with the hook but if everybody's just saying the same thing over and over again he's this he's that he's this you know yeah and i was you can tell stories too yes gotta tell stories you gotta and and and i think that there are some you know and i just want to use my platform right now to just shout out some gospel artists there's some people that i just want the culture to know like i think that you need to check out you know there's a young dude named jonathan mc reynolds fire young dude named chan lamore daryl walls um there's some young rappers coming up that that that I can't really think of some of the youngins right now.

1:00:29But like - I know the last one that made like crazy noise. Lecrae. Lecrae's still fire. He's still fire. He's the one, he was on fire. Like I had regular spitters. He was a spitter. Not what you call secular or whatever. I had like jaded kisses like that. Be like, yo, you heard this kid, Lecrae. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fire, fire, fire. So, you know, there's just some people that I just want people to know, man, that gospel music ain't just one artist. There's a whole community of hitters that I want to be able to use my platform to say, man. You know, my thing is, we fall down. Donna McClurkin. And we get up.

1:01:06Yeah, yeah. Nah, that's my thing. Question for you. Jada, Jada, Jada. Jada, that's your question, Jada. We get up. Has he ever sung this much with any other guest? Not nowhere next. I like that. So how do you feel about this singing that you've experienced. I'm a hard voice singer. You ain't got to, you're Jaden, man. I can't help you. I just got to learn how to, you know what I mean? God's with me every day. He helps me. He helps me. He helps me cope. But that's it. Hold, hold, hold, hold, hold. Joe, Joe, Joe.

1:01:48Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe. I have a question though. Like, like. I want to thank you. Heavenly Father. I have a question. How did y 'all come, like, were y 'all this super tight before the show? How did y 'all, how did y 'all come up with this? Like, were y 'all boys like this before this podcast? It was always cool. Always brothers. But how did y 'all, like, like, like, like, like this combo is like really, really, really. Oh, oh. I'm trying to think of Mike Wrinkley or something. Somebody was saying, listen, y 'all should come together. We pitched this show to somebody before and they said, nah. You're supposed to do some Amazon.

1:02:33Yeah, something. They said, nah. It's just that. And so, with me, you know, I'm a hustler, Kirk. So, I'm saying, I give back so much to the community, but I gotta give back while wearing Louis Vuitton a good shit. Right? So I have no problem. So that coach backseat ain't going to ever happen. No, no, no. It's not going to happen. It's never going to happen. I don't know. Don't do that. Don't do that, Kirk. You got a powerful voice. Don't talk it up. Don't talk it up. But my thing is, I told him I was watching what these people were doing and numbers and how they was making money and all that. I grabbed Jada one day and I said, yo.

1:03:18I said, Don't worry about it. To me, Jada, to me, Jada has always been, I wouldn't say shy, but he's not a real outgoing, talkative person like that. Yeah, but his flat humor is lit, though. Yeah, but then we figured that out after he been roasting me on the show for you. Yo, man. I learned that, too. Yo, yo, yo, yo, King. Yo, yo, yo. No, no, no. I'm looking at the shots at Bob. Did he just... No, bro. On my mama. His flat face humor is like genius. It's like he'll stab you and you don't even realize you bleeding. You ain't even know it. Nah, this guy here. He just stabbed you and it's like, why am I bleeding?

1:03:59Why am I bleeding? You don't even know you're bleeding because he stabbed you. One time I came in here threatening K, his best friend. I said, okay, you know what he's doing to me, man. I seen it on the show. I ain't even know. But the point is we followed the money. We just looked at it and we just said, yo, they making a lot of money here. We got to step in there. And I knew Fat Joe's going to go crazy. You know what I mean? And I just knew his authenticity of like you said, I don't care if you in church, you watch, you watch Versus. Yes. You know what he is. He's top five, dead or alive. So I said, when we talk about this hip hop and all that, they still do a memorial.

1:04:36Nobody can beat us. Nobody can beat us. So I'm looking at it. So I knew anybody who's, any other podcast who saw this, I promise you, the first day they saw this, they said, man, I hope this is just a hobby. They thought it wasn't going to work. They thought it wasn't going to be, you know. No, no, no, no. It's different. No, no, no, no, no, no. We're talking to a church, man. They hear God, man. They were scared to death. They didn't think it wasn't going to work. They hope me and you ain't want to work. They hope we ain't with all they rappers. Maybe once a month when they seen them episodes coming like this.

1:05:14Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they seen that set. Yeah. And they seen Cardi B and French Montana. Let me ask y 'all this question then. So like when y 'all started hearing about Southern hip hop, it's like coming from the Mecca, what was your honest view and thought? Like, who did you respect? Who were you a fan of? And just like, what was your view of what was happening? I came out around the time with Outkast. We came out around the same time Outkast came. Did you know they was... No, he didn't know they was going to be super frit, go where they took it to, but we thought they was dope. So you thought that they were nice?

1:05:56Southern brand, listen. Yeah, and they came with the whole organized noise and Goody Mob and CeeLo. We thought they was, we thought, we're like, yo, these dudes just, they're nice. But what about the Pimp C's and the... Me, I'm more of a Goody Mob. He heard it before me. You should have answered it. What you heard before me? Get it. Yo, stop calling me. I just said you're older, so you heard something rap before me. When you get my age, keep doing them pull-ups. I'm already age. So you can look this good. Remember, I told you. Definitely the ghetto boys, right? And definitely the goody mom. Who's that looking in my window?

1:06:39Yeah, facts, facts. Like, nobody now. And I, Fat Joe, I can say this wholeheartedly. I've always embraced everybody. The South got something to say. The West Coast has something to say. The Midwest has something to say. I was doing every Little John album instead of maybe one or two. Wow. Yeah. Wow. And Little John took me to Summer Jam when, yo, this all makes sense. Leanback was only maybe three days old, right? and um big record Hot 97 and I'm gonna really really point the uh cannons at Ebro Darden right and I'm gonna say they funded on Fat Joe to do Lean Back and Lil Jon was like yo we gotta do your new song so he put me on stage in his set and when I tell you 80 ,000 people leaning back like this and I look back and Kanye West is hiding behind like Everybody knew it was a smoker.

1:07:46Hot 97 chose to front. And Lil Jon, that's why on the remixes, it took a damn South brother to bring your boy out. Because when that happened, it was nothing you could say. The whole stadium in two days, three days after they came out, the whole stadium was doing this. Yeah, but Scott did that record, though, didn't he? Scott did it. Lil Jon did the remix. I'm not saying that. Lil Jon's my man. I got you, got you. No, no, no. I'm trying to educate. I ain't really trying to play no games. You already, I'm on there with Trick Daddy. He been my man. You're going to the Trump Sky Rizzy. It's a song you can sing.

1:08:25It is something to say. What does that mean? Where's he going? No, he got old man break. You know the man, the man got a whole little pill with a story to tell. You know, we all, he's on the Sky Rizzy. He's on the Sky Rizzy. He's on the Sky Rizzy. You make a little pill and something to say. So did Scott Rizzy make you pee? We don't know. We just lying. Yesterday was trend fire. The other day was those... We just anything. This is a bunch of 50-year-old guys talking about meds. One day, the man told me, Scott Rizzy, I looked it up and I said, yo, this ain't got nothing to do with pissing. Nothing.

1:09:04I thought he... You the top five dead or alive. Woody Rapper. I thought he knew what he was talking about. I looked it up. I said, yo, think I ain't always singing this guy Reggie to me man what's this about they ain't have nothing to do with Reggie to the bathroom you know it's just a theme song yo they've been living right they've been living for real let me ask you a question oh wait a minute so the interview still going yes y 'all Kurt y 'all Kurt we don't stop

1:09:43we don't never shut the we never shut up yo no we never I told y 'all stop rolling cause he had to pee but he gotta pee I'll just Kurt don't you wanna look like this beautiful man Tyson back for here maybe trim up the beard with the with the rewind the time it's our product. I do a drop? No, not a drop. I need you to use Have you ever done it? Well, I thought you wanted to be on No, brother, no, no This part of this show, Kirk Where's the camera? Why fight the time when you can rewind the time? Okay. Hi. My name is Kirk Franklin and I want to ask all of my brothers out there why fight the time?

1:10:36when you can rewind the time. Why fight the time? Oh, both times. Why fight the time when you can rewind the time? One more time. Here we go. Pam, hi. Hi, my name's Kirk Franklin. And I'm asking you brothers out there, why fight the time when you can rewind the time? Yes!

1:11:02Yes! That was my good white boy, voice. That was my white man voice. Available in Sally's Beauty. Available in CVS. I thought they stopped rolling. They just kept going without you. I made a whole Rewinded commercial. He's walking around. Kiss Cafe. Okay. Okay. Okay. Kiss Cafe. Okay. Kiss Cafe. Hold on. And I got to put this back. I know that pay the bills. Yeah. Okay. Hi. My name's Kirk Franklin. Sometimes when you wake up in the morning and you need a fresh start to get going, I recommend Kiss Cafe. Kiss Cafe can get your spirits up and your body moving. Try today. Kiss Cafe. Oh!

1:11:54Woo! Woo! Show! Let me ask you a question real quick. And I don't want to say top five because this is all getting played out. But could you name me some of your greatest influences in the church music and gospel music that really influenced you or really you loved hearing it? You know. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. One individual, he was just a songwriter. He wasn't like a big gospel star, but he was very influential in a lot of other people's lives. His pen game was crazy. His name is V. Michael McKay. Michael. Yeah, and then there's another guy who was a very kind of niche, a kind of underground gospel guy.

1:12:41His pen game was very romantic. Like he would write, like it felt like love letters to God the way he would flip it up. It was just mad crazy how he could do it. His name was Thomas Whitfield. Thomas Whitfield. And then of course I got to throw an Andre Crouch. It's because he was just the OG. and then I would say after that, the Hawkins and Walter and then last, I would probably say for me who influenced the way that I saw young people coming to church, young people being lit and turned in church, I would say shout out to the OG, John P. Key. Wow. Make some noise for that. See, I don't know I don't know everybody you mentioned but I do know whenever that woman came to them awards set up shop that Yolanda Adams she ain't even had to say nothing yeah you could be in the corner of the trap wherever when that lady went up on there you already knew this thing the roof coming off this woman gonna tear that thing down shut up and let me ask you a question right because everybody laughs at me when I tell them I'm a Joel Osteen type of guy you know I love Joel Osteen he's my favorite the guy got me through so much and everybody was like, yo, you don't want to hear you know, everybody, even Montel George said, yo, you gotta give me a shot man, you know it's as far as pastors like who moves you when you hear that message, you just like wow, these guys are incredible they got a great message yeah, well you know there's some new hitters that are nice, nice It's a young boy I follow on Instagram.

1:14:25Who? I don't even know. But he's talking. Okay. He's talking. When you find out who he is, I'll let you know. Nah, he's on Instagram. You got to throw a flag. I don't know who he is. Yeah. But he's on my, if I went on my Instagram right now. When we finish, I want you to pull him up. I'm going to show you. The man talking. But, but, but. He don't look fancy, nothing, young dude. And man, he talking. There's like some young hitters. and, you know, and these dudes I'm about to shout out right now, they good folk, too. They good folk. They ain't about that woo-woo. They ain't about that, you know, they ain't about all that other foolishness.

1:15:02They ain't honk if you hear Jesus. All that. All that. You ever met a pastor, keep it to yourself, that you felt like it was honk if you hear Jesus? I was raced around all of that. Dang, man. I was raced around all of that. That's the shit I don't like. Like, I can't do that because I'm with God for real. I'm heading. I am all in 100 % and when I see something like honk if you hear Jesus and I'm just like does this exist? Does it exist? Yes. You almost caught a Jesus flag. What did I say? You caught it. I caught it? Head in? Hey. What did he say? What did he almost say? I missed it. He know it.

1:15:52He's starting to know. You know. What'd you say? What's the name of the song? Don't listen to this guy. These guys just... These guys just... You know, don't listen to this guy. There's something inappropriate for the congregation. Well, let me jump back in. Let me jump back in. There's a couple of hitters that I think are really, really, really nice. You can't. Did I almost do it? I'm almost out of pass. No, no.

1:16:22No, we're not going to give Kirk. Never that. He's the coach. Y 'all got to let me know later what I said, what I almost said. God damn it, let's throw the flag.

1:16:33Fan game. We got flag. Y 'all listen. Yeah, but you ain't. I want to throw it too. I want to know what I. I got to do your boy. Y 'all got to school me. What just happened? Just when it's in the air, it's like infectious. When we just... Throw it. Hey, don't even talk. Oh, you mean like Paul? Name of the song. Like Paul. Like Paul. Like Paul. Okay, gotcha. I said I went in and had to... We have fun with it. Got you. Church, and this guy's over here like... Got you. No, no. It's not always that. Kirk, don't play Paul. It's a lot of different things. Don't play pause, Kurt. You just got to be from me, brother.

1:17:20Like, yo, Kurt, the name of the single is... This Time. This Time, yeah. Yo, I love that hook. That hook. Do-do-do. All right. So what Fat Joe is, is I repeated that. Yo, play that song again on our way out of here. This ain't that. That ain't it. Let me get a shout out to the past kids. Phillip, Bethany Mitchell, Charlotte Dates, Darius Daniels, Keon Henderson and Tony Evans. That's right. Salute all you brothers and sisters. Shout out to her. This talk right here. Shout out to Danielle. Shout out to Matina.

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