In short
Tamar Braxton discusses Fat Joe’s apology for a Toni/Birdman rumor, the Cash Money Verzuz, her reality-TV background, and the themes behind her EP/album—especially accountability after infidelity and the emotional fallout for both partners.
Guests
Tamar Braxton (singer/TV personality; youngest of four Braxton sisters; “black sheep” in her family; connected to Tony Bragg/Tony Braxton’s hustle). Joe Crack the Dog (host/rapper on the Joe and Jada Show; talks about “hood dude” dating standards, respect, and relationship dynamics). Jada (co-host; joins the discussion). Additional named figures: Birdman/Brian (Tamar’s brother-in-law; involved in the Verzuz conversation), Tony Bragg (Tamar’s family connection), Peter Gunz (mentioned from Love & Hip Hop; now hosts Cheetahs), Vince (dating advice presence in Tamar’s film), and Babyface (friend).
Key claims
Fat Joe’s earlier on-air divorce/rerumor mention was inaccurate; Tamar says Birdman’s Verzuz intensity felt like a real legacy “boxing match.” She frames her project as the “female version” of taking accountability for cheating and healing, with an apology owed to the person she hurt.
Notable examples
Love & Hip Hop jail anecdote about Peter Gunz; “Love Me” single (missing someone after it’s over); her real-life film scene where Mendeecees reads her texts; her “hood dude” vs “facade” discussion; favorite singers list (Mariah, Rihanna, Tank, Beyoncé, Brandy, Kim Burrell, Kirk Franklin, Clark Sisters, PJ Morton/Darrell Walls).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOTamar Braxton and Family Dynamics
4:36 to 6:00
Discussion about Tamar's position in her family.
“And your family, you are definitely the one.”
The Apology to Tamar Braxton
6:00 to 6:44
Joe's apology regarding misinformation he shared about Birdman.
“And Tony asked me to be there because she couldn't be there.”
Reality TV and Personal Experiences
6:44 to 8:08
Conversations on reality TV and personal reflections.
“You know, this guy's the king of versus.”
Discussion on Relationships and Music Industry
8:08 to 9:24
Talk on the dynamics of relationships in the music industry.
“they watching the Love and Hip Hop shit.”
Empowerment and Respect in Relationships
9:24 to 11:11
Exploring respect and empowerment within partnerships.
“He was doing the biggest hits you ever heard in his fucking life.”
The Importance of Respect in Relationships
14:00 to 15:00
Learn about the fundamental role of respect in romantic partnerships.
“He don't even have to have as much as me or have anything going on as much as me.”
Navigating Success and Relationships
15:00 to 17:00
Discover how success impacts dynamics in romantic relationships.
“You know, I've always felt like it's equal.”
The Role of a Man in a Successful Woman's Life
17:00 to 19:00
Understand the expectations and roles men can embrace when dating successful women.
“to be her biggest cheerleader, to be there for her, to be her safe space.”
Feeling Safe and Supported
19:00 to 20:40
Hear about the importance of emotional safety and support in relationships.
“You legendary out here in the streets, man.”
Influence of Background on Fame
20:40 to 22:00
Explore how different backgrounds influence celebrity status and relatability.
“Give me a rundown five of your favorite songs from other singers.”
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Favorite Artists and Their Influence
22:00 to 23:00
Listen to insights about favorite musicians and their impact on the culture.
“That's crazy because I said for the first time ever because she usually got that number one spot.”
The Evolution of Music Tastes
23:00 to 25:40
Delve into how personal music preferences evolve over time in different contexts.
“You should have supposed to stay out of that hair.”
Celebrating Iconic Singers
25:40 to 28:00
Discover the impact of legendary singers and their contributions to music.
“Between Get up That's my shit Who's your all time favorite?”
Nostalgia and Music Memories
28:00 to 31:10
Explore nostalgic music experiences and their emotional impact.
“Let me tell you, when that music, yo, I don't wish nobody to fully understand their favorite lyrics.”
Reflections on Relationships and Infidelity
35:55 to 40:00
Discussions about infidelity, accountability, and personal growth.
“Advisory services by Public Advisors, LLC, SEC Registered Advisor.”
The Conversation on Manhood and Relationships
40:00 to 42:00
An insightful dialogue on expectations and challenges in relationships.
“That goes on to the new single, You On You.”
Understanding Relationship Dynamics
42:00 to 43:35
Explore how men and women navigate the complexities of relationships and the impact of emotional violations.
“He goes out there, makes no excuses, no matter what the stress is, no matter what the case is.”
Reflections on Personal Growth
43:35 to 45:30
Tamar shares her journey of personal growth and the lessons learned from past relationships.
“Yeah, but this is why I think the way that I think now as a woman.”
The Reality of Communication in Relationships
45:30 to 47:30
A discussion about the importance of communication and honesty in romantic relationships.
“Taylor it's kind of it's based on a true story So I'm just going to tell you a little bit about it so you can watch it later on.”
The Impact of Love and Apologies
47:30 to 50:00
Delve into the themes of love, regret, and the importance of taking accountability in relationships.
“Had me on my back stretching, yeah Baby, I learned so much over the years Crying so many tears, I almost gave up Lately I've been feeling for you now I messed up But I've grown Baby, here you go I miss you.”
Music's Role in Emotional Healing
50:00 to 52:00
Tamar discusses how music can reflect personal experiences and provide emotional healing.
“No one's ever loved me like you love me.”
Celebrating R&B and Its Evolution
52:00 to 53:20
A look into the evolution of R&B music and its contemporary stars and themes.
“but it's really fast, but it's really good.”
Gender Dynamics in Modern Relationships
53:20 to 56:00
Exploration of gender dynamics and how financial independence impacts romantic relationships.
“You know, that song there reminds me of, I remember one night I was sleeping, I sleep with the TV on, and that Toni Braxton song came on with the video with the umbrellas.”
Women in Music: Dominance and Respect
56:00 to 57:29
Exploring how female artists are currently outperforming male counterparts in music.
“I'm like, yo, how the girls are killing the dudes 2025?”
Fat Joe's Acting Career and Its Challenges
57:30 to 59:08
Discussing Fat Joe's experiences in acting and the challenges of casting.
“Yo, but listen, I want to shout out my brother.”
Celebrating Hip-Hop and Its Missteps
59:09 to 1:02:09
A critical look at how hip-hop culture celebrates problematic figures and actions.
“By the way, I never argue with the TSA guys.”
Reality TV and Public Perception
1:02:10 to 1:03:24
Examining the impact of reality TV on personal narratives and public opinion.
“How many years we've been watching you on reality show?”
The Shift to Independent Music Production
1:03:25 to 1:05:41
Discussing the importance of independence in music production and ownership.
“Straight to consumer, direct to consumer.”
Transcript
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2:25Reserve for business. The business card that gives back all you put in. Visit chase.com slash reserve business to learn more. Cards issued by JPMorgan Chase Bank. Any member of DIC. Subject to credit approval. Terms apply. I like a hood dude. They got to have some money or you just want a hood dude. You know what I mean? He got to be able to hold his own. You know, I like a man that want to show me off and hood dudes like that. Yeah, they do. But, you know, they got to come with something. I didn't say they can't come to the table. Didn't he just hear me say he got that? They got to come with something.
3:07yeah yeah what up y 'all this is Joe Crack the dog you know who it is your boy Jada this is the Joe and Jada show every show legendary every show iconic and we are crushing shit it is today's guests, when you think of today's guest, you think of family. There we go, Joe. I'm with you, boy. I'm with you. You definitely think of family. You think of somebody that can sing. If you're from the hood, you know, it's singing and it's singing. You hit him with the A-N-G. Think of great actress. Think of reality. You think of just family driven. big family a lot of sisters a lot of powerful sisters good background good cooking ladies and gentlemen make some noise for our guests Damar Braxton that was good that was good it's safe to say the black sheep of the family correct?
4:17yeah I think so the baby the youngest the youngest how many sisters all together? four sisters four sisters You're the baby The youngest Youngest So And you're the black sheep Most motivated Yeah I'm like that too In my family Really I just can't fucking Find another motherfucker Like me in my family Well No no I'm dead ass I'm with my I'm coming up On the plane With my favorite aunt Titi Barbara You know I took her down to Miami With me She came back And we talking And I'm like I'm trying to find Somebody else Like me in my family If only I had Somebody else that want to move like me and want to conquer the world, I can't find one.
4:58And your family, you are definitely the one. And I think, I got it from Tony. I got a lot of my hustle from Tony. Yeah. Tony Bragg. I got out there too. This thing. Yo, Tony Bragg. Yo, see something? I got to apologize because when we started the show, it was like the mother guys. You know what I'm saying? So I was, I was listening to the radio on my way down there and they said, heard Birdman caught a divorce or whatever and I actually said it on there. I told him don't say. Really? Yeah, but I heard the whole radio saying this shit. The morning show. This, this, that. And I said some bullshit.
5:38I just said, yo, they got divorced, whatever. But I want to apologize to you and your sister because that wasn't accurate. And especially when I saw the verses, I seen him running call up and I said, I guess I was. Hold on, Craig. How was it? Because you was in the middle of it. I didn't mean to be in the middle of it. I was good. You did. I was showing up for my brother because he needed. That's right. And he asked me to be there. And Tony asked me to be there because she couldn't be there. But it was iconic. It was amazing. You know, I love seeing him because that's my brother in real life. Like, I introduced Tony and Brian.
6:13Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah. Brian. Birdman is. I never called him Brian in my life. Yo, I never called you by your government name. You think his birth certificate says Birdman? on him? That motherfucker Birdman. You know what I'm saying? Well, to the world, he's Birdman. To me, that's my brother, Brian, who's my brother-in-law. Oh, no. And I love the love that you gave him and the affection you get. I understood that. Okay. One billion percent. Like, you know, people was weird about it, but I was like, nah, fuck that. That man ride for them. She gonna ride for... You know, that versus is different.
6:46You know, this guy's the king of versus. Right? But that versus, let me tell you something. When Birdman told your sister, mama I was fighting yo that shit cause you in that versus and you throw out a hit another guy hit you with another one boom it feel like a real boxing match like you really in there and you protecting your legacy people don't realize once you run in that arena it's like alright like this we're fighting for our legacy up in there so I understood his motivation behind it but I also respected you know you standing up for your brother. I knew what it was. You ain't even had to explain that to me, but there's some people, you know, dodo words.
7:28Weird. Very weird. Like, I think that I heard that I dated him first, which is preposterous. I dated him and I'm going to introduce him to my sister? No. We're not dirty birds. We don't do that. You know what I'm saying? You know, he got Tony Braxton. Y 'all got a special family over there, man. Very special. You know, I'm not a fan of reality TV. I don't know if I ever said that before, but I'm not. And, um... But why? I was in jail, man, and I seen Peter Gunz on the screen and I went back into my cell. I almost cried. You know, he a real nigga from the street. Shout out to Gunz, man. 174th. And, you know, in jail, they watching the Love and Hip Hop shit.
8:10Yeah. And I seen him and I just walked right back to my cell. I was like, damn. They got my boy Peter. But, you know, did good for him or whatever. Now he's the host of Cheetahs. So I just think that definitely, I take back, well, I'm not big on that, but I've always watched the Braxtons. Oh, really? Yeah. What made you want to watch the Braxtons? You. Oh. You know, I'm a big Tony fan. Yeah. Right? But really you, because I was rooting for you the whole time, I was like, and then your ex-husband, I was like, yo, man, give her a fucking hit, man. Give her a hit. I'm screaming at the TV, like, give her a hit.
8:47I understand. And I think, is there, not to point him out because he's a cool dude. Yeah. That's my family too. That's my baby daddy cousin. That's your baby daddy cousin. Like he cool as fuck though. He cool. But I was like, you know, a lot of times when women get with super producers and all that and they're stars for some reason, the guy never really slide them to hit, right? They don't. And we used to beef up. We can do this over and over again. We're not talking about just you. I don't want to start the shit. I see it all the time. I'm like, damn, give her a hit. Listen, he had nuclear missiles, you kids.
9:22He had missiles. Yes. Missiles. But the man did, he was doing what? He was doing the biggest hits you ever heard in his fucking life. He could have said, hold up, this lean back's for her. You know, he could have did that. But me, being in the business, being artist-driven, artist-friendly, like I said, I relate to you. I feel like I'm the black sheep in my family I was like give her the fucking hit nigga give her the hit I'm screaming at you and you know what shout out to Vince cause he did he really went out of his way Love and War was massive we gotta play that sometime before we gotta play that he's really an R &B guy right here really I think most hood dudes are like R &B like guys yeah I like a hood dude yeah cause like I do I do.
10:14Always have. Yeah. Yeah, I do. They got to have some money or you just want a hood dude? They got to have the, you know, the razzle dazzle, the thing, you know, the thing about him. You know what I mean? He got to be able to hold his own. You know, I like a man that want to show me off and hood dudes like that. Yeah, they do. But, you know, they got to come with something. I didn't say that guy can't come to the same. Didn't he just hear me say he got that, that, that, that, that, that? That shit got to, they got to come with something because it's either you got to do with money. most of these dudes is lame.
10:44You can keep that to yourself. But most of these dudes is lame. Like when niggas is seven foot tall doing the fucking squirt fat with the fucking all these bullshit. Whatever the little shit's in. The little dance. That shit. Niggas was doing the Dougie in the club. I was like, nah, come on, bro. Y 'all gotta be kidding me. People like to dance, right? Or you get a hood, dude. They ain't got no money. Ain't got no sense. But you know, I have a friend. very, I have a lot of them. Okay. But I have a very famous friend, like big. And one day I mind my business, because I usually don't mind my business.
11:21I asked, I said, yo, what's up with this nigga right here? It was a hood dude, right? I don't want to give it away, but I was like, yo, what's up? Like, you should be the wife of the nigga who owns Nabisco or Marlboro. Like, you know, I'm talking about a big friend, right? And she was like, the things he says to me, Joe, you should see how he talks to me. I said, what? Not the most powerful chick in the world. She was talking about this guy be saying some shit to her. And she was like, oh my God, the things he tells me, Joe, you wouldn't even know this, that. I said, damn, I learned that, that, you know, they like that.
12:01Yeah, praise God. Talk me through it. Amen. Take me through there. Take me through there. yeah talk of shit I love it like I feel like a man gives you your confidence and so like a hood guy like who come from nothing who really built himself up to have he really built himself up that's where I'm going with it you see what I'm saying is it a bum or he built himself up what's the conversation why are we even bringing that in it in the dough like we can't relate to any level a lot of these guys is one week away from the repo and all that you know what I'm saying a lot of a lot of these guys they just And you know what?
12:37I'm in Miami, home of the facade. Yeah, it's a lot of facades. One minute you see a dude, yo, it's the king, tut, popping bottles, and next week you're like, yo, my man, you working in Pollo Tropicow? Like, it's the king of the facade. You never know who really got money. It's true. But one of the qualities about me when I'm with the man is that I know how to upgrade him. You know what I'm saying? And to the point, you know, where I don't want him to feel like, oh, she's the one. I want him to feel like that. I want him to walk in the room and feel like he know he the one. I don't want him to feel that way because of me.
13:16I want him to feel that way because he's him. I like that. You know, because a lot of women, they like to emasculate men. You know, the girl got the bag and it's the same shit. if the guy got the bag and he want to act like big shit talk to his girl how he want yo you do what I say because I'm giving you the bag I've seen the vice versa I got a lot of sisters with bags and man they know how to play some dudes and emasculate them that drives me crazy that you saying you big him up he ain't got no way your man your man but I've seen the vice versa I don't want that and I don't want people to look at my man that way you know what I mean I want people to look at my man respect him in his own right.
14:00He don't even have to have as much as me or have anything going on as much as me. I just want the respect factor to be in the room when we're together. Gotta respect. Vice versa, men and women, that's what it's all about, respect. It really is. You don't show the respect. If you out here looking flabby and sick, you ain't respecting your queen, then you, you, you got something coming. Yeah, because if my dude look corny, I look corny. And I don't want to look corny. You don't want to look corny. That ain't it. That's a different type of pressure. That's a 2025 pressure to look corny. Look corny.
14:32You know, back in the days, your mother, my father, they knew how to work shit out. Shit fucked up, this and this and that. But that look corny, that shit is like, check me. Right now, 2025, I don't want to look corny. I don't want to look crazy out here. Do you realize what you just said? My mother, your father. No, I didn't mean it. I know you did. Yo, you got to stop. Yo, this dude, I'm going to catch that on the way home. When I watch this interview, I'm going to be like, damn, this guy. It's crazy. You know, I've always felt like it's equal. No matter who got the bag, who don't got the bag, it's got to be respect.
15:10And, you know, I got a funny story because I'm really protected by women, like a lot of women. Like, I got a lot of sisters, very powerful, very strong. And so I got a sister. She's super caked up, and she was dating. She was dating a guy, good-looking guy. And he was making some dollars himself. He wasn't a hood guy, but he wasn't a hood guy. He owned, like, several businesses. But she's my sister. Right. So the guy sits next to me one day, say, yo, crack, can I talk to you? I was like, yo, what's up? He was like, you know, I don't know. I feel a little intimidated because she got so much money.
15:48And every time I try to pay the bill, she pay the bill, this, this, that. Yo, my man. the man in me, you hear me? She's my people. It took everything I had in the world to tell that nigga, yo, don't play yourself. Cause he was talking like, yo, I don't know if I could do this. I'm like, this girl's a billionaire, bro. I was like, you don't know how bad I wanted to be like, yo, my man, is you crazy? You better marry that girl right now. Are you stupid? And that man, I said, you know, you got to figure it out, whatever. I couldn't go against my code, you know, whoever I know first and my family with them, I won't go against it.
16:27So I just say, yo, my man, you know, just do what's right, whatever. But I wanted to tell him real bad, like, yo, marry her today. Really? So they broke up. She got married six months later. That's how it be. Let me tell you why. Six months later, you got married. I'm going to tell you why. Let me tell you why. Because even if you're not holding the bag as a man, you got to figure out what your position is in her life. You know what I mean? She's not thinking. She's a billionaire. and she ain't thinking about campaign. She's not even thinking about that. She don't care about that, right? But she do want her to protect her, to support her, to be her biggest cheerleader, to be there for her, to be her safe space.
17:03You got to figure out as a man where your position is in my woman's life. And I think that because it's so many successful women, men forget that. That just because you're not rich and you can't, because there's a lot of people out here who really can't hold up today women You know, me personally, you know, I've been my wife 32 years, but I wouldn't have no problem with being with a woman as a billionaire. A billionaire. No, I'm keeping it a buck with you. I ain't had no problem holding the door, carrying the purse. I don't give a fuck. She got a billion. I'm with her. Yeah, because you him. If you wasn't him, you wouldn't feel that way.
17:44Excuse me. She's not supposed to feel like that anyway. Whoever got the bag is, it's not supposed to feel. Like that. You know what's crazy? This conversation is making me think of that Cardi B song where she said she want to feel safe. That's right. That's that shit right there, right? Yeah, it's real. It's real. Like, you want to have a man who you can depend on. Like, you got me in every area. Emotionally, you know what I'm saying? It's the number one thing. We want to feel protected. You don't necessarily have to buy me. that's first of all that's cornball like if that's all you can do is support me financially what the fuck are we doing boo you know what I'm saying like somebody who my dog somebody I can talk to somebody like I know that got me that's nothing like it in a world yeah ain't nothing like a corny it's like a beautiful girl that the minute she talks you like yo where you gonna drop her off at that part nah it'll you turn mom dropping you back off alright Like, yeah, right.
18:52You hit that U-turn right quick. Be like, yo, hold up one second. Didn't know you were a dodo bird. No. No, it's like that. Vice versa. And so you a legend, man. You legendary out here in the streets, man. And it's so hard to come from such a successful family, but still have a connection with the streets. It's the hardest shit to do. So when you see kids, Disney kids, or you see, what's my girl, Miley Cyrus and even Justin Bieber, you know, he went from being the teenage thing to the next day, 60 tattoos in his face, this, this. They try bad to eliminate. They got to get to that next level. So you, you've been in royalty.
19:36You know, I see some comments on the, you know, my daughter's pictures or whatever. And they be like, ah, you grew up in mansions your whole life. I don't give a fuck. This, this, that. There's a resentment and there's a hard way to be connected to the people in the hood. But you have managed to do that in a strong way. I still have hood friends. I still, we're from Baltimore. You know what I mean? And so it's like, I'm still the same. You know, like Tony, I feel like the way that she was brought up in this industry is completely different than mine. So she got her stardom from music and she was a part of the realm of being upper echelon and gowns and class.
20:23And for me, I got my through reality and reality television. So it was relatable to people. And I feel like that's why they gravitate because they know. I mean, although I have a lot of success, I'm still like Tamar from the, you know what I'm saying? So I think that is something that I never really strayed away from because I still do reality television and a lot of it. Yeah. Give me a rundown five of your favorite songs from other singers. What would be your soundtrack if? So Mariah Carey is my favorite singer, period. Really? Yeah. You know, she could really sing. She could really sing. No, really sing.
21:03No, no, no. Because I ain't going to front. She wasn't my girl growing up. Like, I wasn't into Mariah Carey like that. One day, I pop up in the Christmas show. Fire. She started hitting shit. I said, yo, it's only one. Luther's the only one that was hitting shit, like she was hitting them notes and all that. And I was like, in the Christmas show, that's when I realized, oh, she one of the ones. She's a unicorn. She is like a hundred trillion every Christmas. Yeah. Yeah, but you know what I noticed? The thing about hip-hop and music is that it's real subjective. Some people think this is really dope.
21:40I might not think it's dope, or I might think it's dope, but it ain't really, really dope to me. Everybody hits people a different way, like different artists. But Mariah's great. I've just seen Rihanna at her show going crazy. I think Rihanna go every year. I go every year at Madison Square Garden. And go crazy, right? Jumping up like a kid. Yeah. That's crazy because I said for the first time ever because she usually got that number one spot. That boy Poo Shiesty battling up for that number one spot. He ain't trying to let go. You know, he dropped that shit. You heard that Poo Shiesty? Five minutes talking about he came home first day, six fours.
22:18He told a girl he came. Well, y 'all don't want to hear all that shit right now, but y 'all Poo Shiesty trying to ruin Christmas. That motherfucker trying to fuck it up. She been number one for like 25 years. That motherfucker trying to, he dead ass trying to take that slot right now. That's. You look at that shit. You know, I got to see everything. I got to know. I got to have knowledge. You know, so that's. So you said Mariah. I didn't say artists. That said five songs. That's so hard for me. I can do artists because I got to sit here and think about songs. Let's do five artists. You know what I mean?
22:51Um, I think Tank. You love Tank like that. Yeah, he's amazing. Tank is the man. He's amazing. Amazing songwriter, too. He stays in great shape, Tank. He does. He does. He stays in great shape. No, Tank's about an OG. Now, how old is Tank right now? Yo. You eating people up. You are crazy. I'm going to be quiet. Oh, Tame on set. No, Tame on set. I'm a fan of Tame. You should have supposed to stay out of that hair. He's a great singer, great songwriter. He takes my dog. But the man look. You old man. 49. That boy look like he can't eat an olive. He's cocked, DG, A-packed up. Gotta do it. Olive is a lot.
23:34Fuck it. Gotta do it. We had a peaceful journey. We almost had a peaceful journey, but you gotta throw the flag. I got it. Yo, listen. Tank is a great songwriter. Yeah. That's what you said. No, he writes amazing songs. Who else you a big fan of? I'm a huge fan of Beyonce. Oh, yeah. That's different. I love her. She's a great songwriter, too. And a storyteller. And a visual artist. I love that about her I love that We connect with her On a musical level Kelly's fucking that tour up Kelly's eating it up I went and saw her And I can't tell you I went to go see Brandy Specifically Because You know We love Brandy She's amazing But we have not seen her on tour I've toured a lot with Monica I know a lot of singers Yeah All them girls The biggest They listen to Brandy every day They sure do She's the blue print The vocal bible Believe it or not She's the vocal bible They study her The biggest of the biggest listening to Brandy all day.
24:28Yeah. But you went over there, but Kelly came out there all chocolate and shit, moving on that shit. Goddamn, Kelly came. She coming through all that shit. She like, hey. Body on, that's it. What? Thank you. She going crazy. Yeah. I love how Beyonce is supporting Kelly. Right, absolutely. That's three. How many games? Tank, Mariah, B. B. Analytics, right? We got two more. Two more. I love Brandy, but if you take it a step above, it would be Kim Burrell for me. Who? Kim Burrell. That's who we all study. Us singers, we study Kim Burrell. Yeah. Yo, play me some Kim Burrell, the biggest hit, because I'm confused.
25:13Oh, okay, we got it. We got it. She's amazing. Hold on. It's like Yolanda Adams or something like that. I get it, guys. But on steroids. Kirk Franklin. Love of Kurt What's the sisters? The gospel sisters The Clark sisters Clark sisters You know I know Don't do that to yourself Man Yeah But my all time favorite Who I had to give You know I love that record We fall down Between Get up That's my shit Who's your all time favorite? Okay you might not know Who he is But you're going to You think we not gonna know Who he is I ain't no killer By the way of PJ Morton His name is Darrell Walls. And there's no, nobody can out-sing him, not male or female, nowhere.
25:59Darrell Walls? Oh my God, he's so amazing. His voice is like an instrument. And he's another gospel singer and also a songwriter too, but he's so amazing. And he reminds me of PJ Martin, but on steroids. This is crazy we're having this conversation because you guys got one and you don't even know. I know before you, I met a girl, she's working with Timberland. her name is Faith from Yonkers she is phenomenal phenomenal phenomenal what makes her phenomenal everything you talking about she's that Joe I'm from Yonkers this this that I love you you know her name is Faith remember I told you she's like one of them you hear her one time and you like oh shit they got one she from Yonkers you gonna see You know, I'm my ear to the street, man.
26:54Don't do that to yourself like that, Jada. Don't say anything. Don't do that to yourself. So that's your five. What's your five, Jada? Top five favorite singers. I have more than five. All right, but could you give us... All right, give us 10. Give us whatever you want. I want to give you two. Could you give me some high? Five is hard. Five, you got to think about it. I want to know, though. I don't always do this. Sometimes he got the weed to wake him up. Sometimes he got the weed to make him sleepy. I'm just happy, bitch. He in a weed debate. Am I hype or am I relaxed right now? I'm a Gemini, so everything switches.
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27:31It sure does. Lord have mercy. Singers switch. Everything switch. Can I hear a couple of good... You're not going to give us none? The fans want to know. Like Luther. Oh, that's... Hello. I gotta put MJB on there. My sister. Well, do you know Luther from the Bronx, by the way? But yeah, kid. Here we go with this shit. No, I'm telling you. Fuck Street. So funny. Mary, Chaka Khan, Patti LaBelle, and Nioh. Patti LaBelle. You know, I was a young kid, man. I lost my first girlfriend. I was singing, I'm on my own. Yeah. Why did it go this way? Let me tell you, when that music, yo, I don't wish nobody to fully understand their favorite lyrics.
28:22Like, you hear a song, you break up, all of a sudden the radio starts playing a hundred breakup songs, you know. I wonder if she remembers. What's the joining guy? Wonder if you ever. That's Neo, right? Think of me. You know, I'm Luther Vandross all day. I'm Stephanie Mills. Love a Stephanie. I'm Luther. I'm Stephanie Mills. I'm Sade. Baby face. That was good. Nobody fucking with baby face. Nowhere. Don't let them lie to you like that. Ain't nobody fucking with baby face. I got baby face. And I'm going to go with my man. Because when you talk about, you know, a thug like Armbeat, we was selling a lot of drugs to keep sweat, man.
29:10And was. No. we was 88ers to that Key Sweat with that wide body you made me young much that shit there Key Sweat all them the most feared individuals in the Bronx and Harlem they wouldn't pull up with hip hop they would pull up with Key Sweat you would think you might die too with shit coming down one of my first concerts is LL, Keith Sweat, and Heavy D. I had to be. Fire. You know, Heavy D was incredible. You got two of my idols. You got three of my idols there. You know what I'm saying? That shit was crazy, huh? Crazy. Apollo. Crazy. I see Apollo. It's like my 13th birthday or it's 12 or 13.
30:02But have you seen Keith perform? Of course. Like now? I've seen once. It's very interesting. Why? It's interesting. Smokey. And I love Keith. Fuck Keith Sweat. Smokey Robinson, 85, doing the butt. He up on there like, at what point we stopped doing the butt? Yo. That ain't his song. That's not what I'm saying. She's trying to say Keith is. Let me not say what you're saying. What are you saying? Yeah, let us say what she's saying. What are you saying? I think he's great in concert, right? But he has a thrust spirit on him. What's that? A thrust spirit. it. The fuck Smokey Robinson be in there with silk shirts like this, 85?
30:44It's pretty entertaining actually. No, I'm ready. Interesting. So you don't think I saw the point to be like, he's an unk, chill? You know what I think? Huh? In entertainment, when you get to a certain age and you get the band, that becomes a part of what the drum in and that shit.
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36:22Pop pop? I don't know You could definitely be pop Let me tell you something I won't say who All them old ladies hit on me They look at me like I'm an 18 year old Ooh, I've been waiting to see you But you don't get pop pop though Fuck that I don't want to be the young dude for the mama. Know what I'm saying? You always gonna be like a stink to the... No, but I'm saying the old ladies? Yeah. Oh, they go hard. They go hard. Oh, my. I've been waiting for you my whole life. I'm like, Miss Police. Can you sign my autograph? Leave me. You got me fucked up. But yes, that's where you're headed. What? Yeah.
37:04I will not. I think we all, we three blessed because you don't look your age you look great she don't look her age she looks great I look great we're lucky I be seeing niggas in the hood all the time with no teeth I be like yo I was in his class in third grade that motherfucker look like a dinosaur I'm looking at him I'm like yo this shit oh my god bro no I'm being honest Like we're blessed. We ain't looking old yet. You understand? We ain't looking old, but you're going to look old. Yeah, but I'm afraid of pop-pop sweat. Pop-pop sweat? What does that mean? I don't want pop-pop humping and bumping on me.
37:50I don't think you'll ever have a pop-pop humping and bumping as long as you got the bag. You beautiful. You got the bag. You ain't going to have to pop up. I don't care. It's the same thing. I started this whole shit like this. the women they criticize the men being with some younger girls but the minute they get that bag and they get divorced they got a young thing going it might make it look good and get them a pastor or something you know yo let me get the young the young pastor for that nigga fly his hair wavy he young definitely don't want that I'm telling you I'm very observative I'll take a pop pop over a pastor anyway I don't know I don't know I just said that I'm not.
38:31I don't mean it. He doesn't even know. I don't even know I'm talking shit. I'm talking. You talking to a guy who's entertaining the people. Like, I don't know the fucking shit about a pastor. Yeah, I can't. You the new voice of Bride Zillis. I am. Currently streaming on AMC Network.
38:53Yeah. I don't even know how many television shows I have. I haven't counted, no. That's a flex. So I blessed. That's like with the silence on. You know, we like that. You know what I'm saying? I'm all about my people winning. So, you know what I'm saying? That's, you know, I love that. The heart bringing that. That was great. With a full movie, what was that experience like? Oh, my God. Or then in filming that. It was so amazing because actually I had a relationship, right? And I cheated on that person. And so this album is about the female version of taking accountability for infidelity. Who gets you the cheek?
39:37Is this smooth talking hood dude? It wasn't like that. No? It was all me. I was definitely in the mirror. It's like, I want him. You saw him and you was like, I want him. No, I kind of spun the block on a situation because I wasn't too sure about the new situation. and so the old situation just wasn't completed yet if you get what I'm saying emotionally completed again and I think that sometimes when men get territorial and they see you in another situation they want that old thing there they want that old thing there and I fell for the okie doke but I had to figure it I did because that person should have never gotten my time again right but I had to figure it out within myself that made for good music I was yes that I was done with it And I also owe that other person that I hurt, you know, a huge apology because, number one, they didn't deserve it.
40:31Getting mixed up in my bullshit. Right. And also, I had to heal myself. And I did through this album. That goes on to the new single, You On You. Yeah. Actually, You On You is my old single. The new single coming up is Love Me. Love Me. Yeah. And. I like that title. Slay that to me because I've been thinking about doing a song to that title. Really? Well, Love Me is about missing the person. Yeah, I gotta love me. Fuck that. Well, it's not loving me. It's loving the person. And it's about telling the person that I miss it, but I know that it's over. Yeah, because how do you hurt a man to that capacity?
41:11And he never recovers. Let's listen to it. There's some suckers out there. Let's listen to Love Me. I've seen it. There's some suckers out there. Yeah, love me, my brother. I love my baby mama I never let her go there's some suckers out there you think it's a sucker if a man take a woman back after cheating he's a sucker what yeah but why because the man and do and do what makes him a sucker I really want to hit him this is a great conversation right because he took me back but I'm going to let you go when you a man I'm not saying you can do whatever you want to eat his own bottle of 1800 ha ha ha ha ha Okay, but what makes him a sucker, though?
41:52You got to tell me. So a man that comes from nothing, who found a way to get himself out of that and do a little success in life, he gets with a girl. He makes her his queen. He treats her like his queen. He gives her everything. He hunts. He goes out there, makes no excuses, no matter what the stress is, no matter what the case is. He coming back to give her a shit. She with her girls. She looking just as fly as her girls, this, this, that. You got to understand when that woman violates that, the man don't know how to handle that. And he just loses it. Cause he's like, yo, you violated that. I don't, you know, because with no disrespect, if you're a provider, you're a guy that did, especially when you come from nothing.
42:39I'm not talking about a trust fund baby. I'm talking about a person who came up from nothing and said, all right, I'm going to share this world with this woman and give her everything equal, whatever we do. And then she violates. It's a whole nother way of forgiving this and this and that. Now we've talked about it. Like if our friends, they get in a problem with their girl or whatever, that's not our business because nine times out of 10 times, they getting back together. And then you in the middle trying to be like, yo, this, you know what I'm saying? I learned that. You know what I mean? I lost friends over there.
43:13I used to be the dude to bring the guy to the situation. Oh, wow. Like, yo, let's go. Meet me over at Sabarrows. Your girl over here with the cigarette. What we doing in this store right here? What we doing right now? Why you got to be this girl? And then the next day, you see him with his girl riding in the car. You're like, yo, I played myself. Like, why did I even get involved? Yeah, but this is why I think the way that I think now as a woman. because in that situation, I did have the bag, right? And he felt insecure and he used to piss me off. I couldn't understand, like, why do you not think that you're enough, right?
43:48And I used to sun the fuck out of him. And like you were saying, what's that word you said? Emasculate. Emasculate him. Woo! And that's not a good feeling. You were sunning him, huh? Sunning him. And then you cheated on him. And you don't know why, because I could. Yeah. You understand what I'm saying? Right. I don't think like that anymore. It takes a strong man to hold a woman down and know that you the breadwinner and all that and just treat them equal to you. You know, we were in the pits. Yeah, it takes a strong man to make a woman wake up every day and walk out the house knowing she can do what the fuck she wants.
44:21That you got her back. That you protected. That you this. There ain't no problem. There's God than you. Yeah. When you violate that cipher, it's a problem. You know what I'm saying? That's how most men feel. Even a construction worker, fucking McDonald's guy, He's going out there busting his ass every day. This is a problem. Now, have I seen the greatest killers in the universe, the realest guys that I thought would kill a factory of guys to catch their wives and be like, okay, we worked it out. This shit was shocking to me. I'm looking, I'm like, what? Huh? So that's, oh, he's killing the whole gym.
44:58Come back, nah, we good. You know, love is something. It is, but I broke him and I knew that. he ain't deserve you anyway I feel sorry for him I do because let me tell you like in the film he ain't deserve you that motherfucker wasn't strong enough he wasn't what you was describing a while ago that motherfucker weak you stepped on him he was weak kept it pushing he was weak I don't necessarily think that you know the film that goes along with that with the EP oh there's a film there's a film and you really shitting on him Taylor it's kind of it's based on a true story So I'm just going to tell you a little bit about it so you can watch it later on.
45:38So, of course, Mendeecees and Julian Houghton is in the film. So one plays my current boyfriend and the other one plays. Tell me don't start the shit. Just start the shit. You like this shit, Tamar. No, I'm just telling you. Let it finish. It's a film. It's a film. Please. It's a film. And so this part really happened in my life. so I'm texting and Mendeece snatched my phone and he reads my text messages and I'm texting the guy once again you shifted my uterus and he really read it you read it you sent it to the wrong guy no I sent it to the him no are you listening I'm confused she was texting somebody she threw a red flag she threw a couple of flags up in there the minute I heard the shit I said yo you know what for each his own bottle of$1 ,800.
46:32Wait, what? They came in here. Let me tell you something. They came in and it was like, oh, Tamar is a little upset of her past interviews. Watch what you say. She doesn't this talk. She's saying it. She's saying what she wants to say. What are you talking about? Let her finish. I did. So did you hear it? You want me to reiterate it? Please do, Jack. She was texting somebody and Bases grabbed the phone and he read what she just said in wallet. Yeah, something happened to her organs. Love me? I said love me. This is a family show. I said love me, guys. Make sure you play it loud. That's a nice day.
47:22Yo, Donovan, you gotta calm her down. She outside with this shit. I am not outside. I didn't say I was involved. I said that you play. with that shit on. Knock it. Knock that. Knock that.
47:59I overdose and take a new regret I'll take accountability that we've taught Should've protected you too and you'll judge your guard Sometimes a man needs saving too I let the world come after you Now I wish I had you to hold on to I messed up, but I've grown Baby, here you are just where I belong I messed up, but I've grown Baby, here you are just where I belong I miss all you love me, love me, love me No one's ever loved me like you love me I hope it's too late to say that I'm sorry You never gave me any chance If I knew then would I know now I miss how you love me, love me, love me No one's ever loved me like you love me, baby How do I say I need your healing?
49:24Can we run it back again? Had me on my back stretching, yeah Baby, I learned so much over the years Crying so many tears, I almost gave up Lately I've been feeling for you now I messed up But I've grown Baby, here you go
49:54I miss you. I miss you. I miss you.
50:07I miss you. No one's ever loved me like you love me. I hope it's a delight to say that I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You never had me any chance. If I knew I knew what I know now. I miss how you love me, love me, love me. No one's ever loved me like you love me, baby. Oh, baby. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Cause I miss how you love me. And it means how you touch me Baby Come back Come back Come back Come back Wow
51:03Beautiful Plastic Braxton tone Beautiful Beautiful Classic Braxton tone What a beautiful song Man So that got to make you feel away when you hear it, right? Because you know you're the culprit. Yeah. Yeah, so you're sitting like, dang. She's taking accountability. Accountability? Nobody want to take accountability. So that's mean, taking accountability. Yeah, we blame y 'all for everything. And it be us. Yeah, it be y 'all. It be us. She wins. I'm sure wins something for this. She should really win something for you. I think we're overlooking this. she's taking accountability. You have to watch the film.
51:46It's really, really, really good because it gives both sides, you know, and it gives like a real depiction. Can you see it? You can go to my YouTube. It's on YouTube for free. Yeah. And so it's 44 minutes, but it's really fast, but it's really good. So you have the videos that play out and then you have like the scenes. Vince is in it. Vince is giving advice, dating advice with me. You know Vince, you know he got a bad joint right now. Yeah, Christopher Williams? Six-pack. No, Vince. Vince what? He got a girlfriend with the six-pack. Oh, she's gorgeous. Yeah, she's amazing. The doctor. She's a doctor.
52:25Yeah. Yeah. No, me and Vince Will Cooley ain't name a flag on the play with this. What is he? No, we're like white people. Like, we spend Christmas and Thanksgiving together. No, because we keep talking about Vince. We're like white people. We are. He's doing that Will Smith shit. Nah, that's that real shit. Everybody get it. I know they get it long. That's why I said I got to big him up. But that wasn't the segue to say that right there. It's okay. She don't care. She ain't home. Thank you. She know. This guy's crazy. What do you want me to say? What's wrong with that? I know this guy. I got to see him.
52:56I know Vince. He done be like, yo, you left them, you know. That is up there talking my name. He didn't even big me up in no way. We bigged him up. That boy Vince on that Red Hat Tua tribe. He's not on that Ozempic. He's on the next level one, the Red at two a time. Oh, Jesus. That motherfucker's skinny as fuck these days. He's skinny. He looks great. Nah, he's on that next level. This looks great. No more Teddy Ruff skin. Yo, let me tell you something, man. You know, that song there reminds me of, I remember one night I was sleeping, I sleep with the TV on, and that Toni Braxton song came on with the video with the umbrellas.
53:38long as I live is that it? that's my favorite Tony Braxton fuck shit you know when you wake up to sleep I woke up now it's like God be talking to me I'm telling y 'all the truth I heard that shit 3, 4 in the morning I was dead asleep I heard that I woke up I got on the thing and I looked at this video with the raindrops and all that and I said oh this gonna win something I said this shit is crazy right here I called Tony out in LA I was like yo you did that? He was like yeah I said yo that shit crazy Shout out to Tony Dixon Tony Dixon What a legend huh? He's great Beautiful I tell them all the time They don't believe me Babyface my friend So like you know I go to dinner with Babyface He's the one Out of this whole shit My whole career I mean I know royal families Yeah He's the one guy that I tripped That I'm actually Babyface's friend Like when I eat dinner with him I'm like yo I'm with Baby face.
54:36Like, you know, it's... So Tricky Stewart did this whole project. Shout out to Trick. What a legend. Yeah, and so we're doing part two right now. It's a heartbreak retrograde. That right there is a hit. So you gotta put the bag behind that. I don't never lose. When I say something's a go, it's a go. Thank you. Just hearing it. I wanted the mix to pop out a little more clear, a little more flossy, but I'm listening to it and I say, this is a smash hit. Huh? Maybe the speaker. So I'm listening to her. I said, this is a smash hit. So if Fat Joe put this out, I'd throw the bag. You got to throw that bag behind this song right here.
55:16It won't miss. This one right here won't miss. This is a real hit. This is a classic. When I was listening to it, the only thing I heard in my head was like classic. Like this shit, like classic. Sound beautiful. You know, R &B right now, the ladies, Kalani. I love her. She's amazing. Summer Walkman. Amazing. Mariah the Scientist. Amazing. That Summer Walker, that album. You know what I do is I drive. When I'm in Miami, I drive for two hours. I just listen to music. I drive to like Port St. Lucie or some shit like that for no reason. Just listen. I listen to that Summer Walker album. That one record, she got her, Doja Cat, and Lotto.
55:59The Feel Good, Tastes Good. How about they killing the guys? I'm just keeping a buck with you. I'm listening to the guys' albums. I don't want to mention no names. Oh, God, I'm stressed out. And then I listen to Summer Walker. They stepping on dudes. Bad. And that one record, they rapping. Smell good. Tastes good. Yeah. This, that. Tastes good. What? Doja Cat come up on there and start. I'm like, yo, how the girls are killing the dudes 2025? Like, we ain't got nobody killing like that. You agree, huh? Because we got the bag. Hello? So once you got the bag, you could talk like with that. Man, I'm telling you, the respect level goes down the drain to these dudes.
56:44I just told you I was sonny homeboy. Shit. That's just how it goes, and it's terrible. I would never, ever do that to another person ever, ever, ever, ever again, because I can. But y 'all guys do that, too. We learn from y 'all. We learn from the best. Not guys pieces of shit. We learn from the best. You know, every girl of mine, every friend of mine asks me to hook up with one of my guys. I tell them in one second, yo, they ain't shit. Don't look in this stable. These guys ain't shit. You ain't gonna never like me again in your life if you talk to one of these guys. They ain't shit. Would you recommend a sister that you love with one of your friends?
57:20You got one friend that you could say, yo, he's a good guy. Kay? Kay's a good guy. Yo, Kay!
57:34You want to say... Which one? Kay over there. Oh, okay. He too high for you, Timor. He the king of the Hubonic chronic. Yo, but listen, I want to shout out my brother. Come in here and take a little bow, man. Two-time a felon. This is birthday today. I knew I'd have brought your game. Two-time a felon. Happy birthday! Baby, you catch another felony today, Cincinnati. Three-time felony. Three-time felony. Happy birthday. Happy birthday, my brother. We love you, man, and what you do for the show. You know, two-time a felony. Brad Zillers, is that something I got to watch? Yes, it's hilarious. Yeah.
58:15You know, they doing a movie about somebody real close to me, and they got Fat Joe in the movie. And she's sending me the guys. They just send any fat guy that they think that that's not Fat Joe. Like, we got to get a guy with some swag or some shit to him or something. Like, they just sending any fat comedian every— She's like, what do you think of this one? They show me this. I'll say, yo, man, what the fuck? You think this—like, you better get somebody to look like Fat Joe to be on this fucking movie. But what you do based on your life or have you done it already with a lifetime? No, not yet.
58:50But I just actually started doing movies. I was doing television shows. The film that I'm doing right now is with Taye Diggs. And yeah, it's like a romantic comedy thriller. Taye Diggs is a short guy, right? Wait in the exhale, man. Y 'all had an argument with Donovan, no disrespect. Jesus. I had an argument with this TSA dude yesterday. By the way, I never argue with the TSA guys. Ever in my life have I had one argument. This little nigga was over here being too... Yo, take your hoodie, y 'all. My man, you can just search me. I know the rules. I fire seven times a week. Nah, you got to. Yo, my man, I'm not talking about his height.
59:31Like, yo, bro, you way too little to be talking to me like this. Like, you not in the family. You not in what they call that shit? The fruits of. That nigga can't talk to Fat Joe like that. I'm like, yo, you, my man, cannot talk to me like that. Nah, the rules. Yo, bro, you got me fucked up, popo. We was outside. I whip your fucking... Go get the boss. The boss comes, your Jamaican guy, your old, you know what I mean? Got to explain. Looking at the Jamaican guy so nice, man. I walked away from there, man. I wanted to smack this nigga's cheek off so bad, man. I said, yo, he was just doing too much.
1:00:08Too much. Talking to me like... Yeah, but Tay's not a shorty like that. Oh, that's how I got to this. Yes, you did. You called the man short. I was like, hello, man. He's not, he's not, best man. You trying to picture him? I love him, but I lost it for him when I seen him. He was in Manhattan skipping with a white girl in Gramercy Park and some shit. I seen him skipping with her down the street like this. He was a little nigga I seen. Oh. You been really fronting, man. Yeah, but Joe, he's a great actor. He's a great actor. Yeah, he's giving a lot to our community. I watch every movie he does. Listen, Tamar, every movie he does, I'm a Tamar fan.
1:00:49You're going to get his beef with his dick, Nah, get up. You never... Nowadays, the actors that make a diss record to get... Yo, what's up with all this? Everybody diss, everybody, everybody. This shit is like... It's toxic right now. No, I'm being honest. It's like really, really... Like, I'm not really liking none of this shit. All I do is write gangster music, so I'm not the holy guy. But I think just think time that the hip-hop community and us kind of like... We are the world. There comes a time. Yeah. But my thing is, my thing is, it's like, you know, we celebrate all the wrong shit. I agree.
1:01:29You understand what I'm saying? Yo, crack. Motherfucker come home from jail for 26 years, killed 36 ,000 people, sits down like, yeah, I'm the gangster of all gangsters. Like, yo, Cat 222 came home. Yo, this, this, this. And they be celebrating. I'm not talking. I'm not making no subliminal to nobody. And I like all the shit, but I'm just saying, at what point are we going to man up and say, yo, this, because I keep seeing I celebrate weird shit. And now, maybe I'm older. I am older. So I'm thinking a little bit different. I'm just like, yo, we keep celebrating. And then we keep falling for the same shit.
1:02:07And do. Right? So now, Tamar, who we know and love. How many years we've been watching you on reality show? 15 years. 15 years. We know her life. We know who she are. We love her. Out of nowhere, some girl who went to high school with her got some shit to say, and now we believe the girl, Margaret Washington, a bitch we don't know from nowhere. With no receipts. With no receipts. Want to talk about shit. Like, what's going on? And they fall for it every time. Yo, you heard? Margaret Washington. The God one-time taco was saying this about this nigga. Yo, my man, if you don't get this nigga up off the IG, like, yo, we got to start some respect.
1:02:45Need some corn muffin control. You never gave me the cornbread. You said your mom's was going to make me some cornbread. I was going to send you. He put me on the phone with his moms, right? And he said, listen, ma, I promised Joe some cornbread. The first thing she said, Joe, I got a story with you. He hung up the phone so fast. He just, fuck that. Listen, I ain't getting no stories with you. Your mama cornbread tastes like cake. He hung that shit up so bad. How you make it? It tastes like cake. Like a cornbread casserole. I'm on a strict diet right now. You know, I ain't the fucking doctor. That's why I don't like going to the doctor.
1:03:20How did we get there? Because I'm skinnier than I ever been in my life. And the doctor's like, yo, I want you keto for a month. You see everybody over there? Everybody wrapping up. Okay, let's sell some shit. So tell me everything. We got the name of the album. Heartbreak Retrograde. Heartbreak Retrograde. I'm downloading that right now. Thank you. I am purchasing that. I need that in my life. Purchase. That thing there? That's on my label, too. and it means a lot to me. Straight to consumer, direct to consumer. It means a lot to me. It's on your labels. You're a boss. You're putting out your own shit.
1:03:51Yes. That's how we're supposed to be. The problem I have, Rod Zillis, the problem I have, especially with all the R &B legends that we love, is they let the major label a mafia, right? So they fuck with you, spend some money, get everything out of you and then they tell everybody, old school at noon. Motherfucker 24 years old doing the old school at noon tour. Because the major labels did that to them. They put that stigma on there where they think they old school at noon. So what they didn't do, the guys and the girls before us, was take ownership. Ciara came here. She putting out her own music.
1:04:29Yeah. You putting out your own music. I've been putting out my own music for 15 years. That's amazing. And I fuck these guys all the time. Let me tell you something. Oh, it's close. I got a fight!
1:04:48Oh, I do? All this time? Oh, yeah. And you're just telling me? Bro, bro. Oh, I need a whole bag of these. What? How you gonna tell me at the end? Tamar, you with me. This one was cutting ups from the time I sat down. Tamar, don't listen to these guys. You with me. You with me. They're you. what I'm saying is like you know I told the major label yo I want to go independent them motherfuckers was like yo oh yes sir you can leave how how fast do you want to go we'll sign your shit off right now I'm like damn I thought they gave a fuck I'm on here 10 years they was like then I put out a record sold 4 million records on their ass right there independent so I know all about being independent man and just working your shit and all that I salute that boss lady give it up.
1:05:41This ain't that. That ain't this. This cracking kiss. Pow, pow, pow. Make some noise for Tamar Braxton.
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Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by R&B royalty Tamar Braxton. Joe and Jada talk to the "Love and War" singer about growing up alongside her sister Toni in a superstar family, her much-discussed appearance supporting Birdman at the Cash Money vs. No Limit Verzuz battle, her new music film and EP 'Heartbreak Retrograde' available on YouTube, female singers like Kehlani and Summer Walker doing big things in the R&B game, and her popular appearances on reality television shows like 'Braxton Family Values,' 'Dancing with the Stars,' 'Celebrity Big Brother 2,' and 'RuPaul's Drag Race.' Joe also takes the time to apologize to Tamar for mistakenly spreading the false rumor of Toni and Birdman's divorce.
5:00 - Birdman's Verzuz & Joe apologizes for Toni Braxton rumor
9:30 - Why Tamar likes hood dudes
20:00 - Tamar's 5 favorite songs
39:00 - 'Bridezillas' & film work
45:30 - 'Heartbreak Retrograde' & Tamar plays "Love Me" for Joe & Jada
53:30 - Tamar's favorite Toni song
55:30 - Women are running R&B right now
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