In short
Alchemist and Hit-Boy discuss their “Goldfish” collaboration, how their partnership formed, and stories behind major hip-hop records and producer-to-rapper crossover. They also trade industry anecdotes about artists, sessions, and business/publishing disputes.
Guests (backgrounds)
- Alchemist: veteran producer/“producer rapper” associated with Soul Assassins; worked with artists including Fat Joe, Kendrick Lamar, and others; known for long-running collaborations and gritty, sample-driven production.
- Hit-Boy: producer/rapper who has topped end-of-year producer lists; has produced major mainstream hits and also raps on tracks; describes himself as a student of production techniques.
Key claims
- They say any beat played in their sessions can become a single (citing Teyana Taylor, Avon, and others).
- They claim their “Goldfish” title reflects life feeling like being stuck in a bowl/circling mentally.
- They describe controlling culture via consistent high-impact releases.
Notable examples
- “Niggas in Paris” (beat emailed to Kanye; later became transformative).
- “Sicko Mo” (Drake session; beat held for two years).
- “Feeling Myself” (Beyoncé used it; Nicki used it too).
- “Drop the World” (Wayne feat. Eminem; Hit-Boy’s early platinum moment).
- Nas “King’s Disease Trillogy” sessions (Nas pulling up for three years straight).
- Publishing deal/publisher “robbed” story (14 years; soundtrack permission money dispute).
- Studio “apple on the head” prank story (Battery-era sessions).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOArnold's Journey to Nursing
0:00 to 0:22
Learn about Arnold Bogarty's transition from military to nursing.
“My name is Arnold Bogarty and prior to me enrolling in Rasmussen to become a nurse, I spent 16 years in the military, 12 in Special Forces as an Army Green Beret and I was recommended to Rasmussen by a former student.”
Arnold's Journey to Nursing
0:31 to 0:54
Learn about Arnold Bogarty's transition from military to nursing.
“I'm traveling with my Wells Fargo Autograph Journey card, so I earn rewards wherever I book travel.”
Introduction to Joe and Jada Show
2:08 to 2:44
Meet Joe Crack and Jada, and learn about their iconic podcast.
“You realize you were the first big artist to ever rap on a beat-a-mire?”
Hip-Hop Culture and Influence
2:44 to 6:08
Discussion on the influence of hip-hop and music culture by Joe and guests.
“Super, you got to go a little more legendary on the internet.”
Collaboration and Music Creation
6:08 to 7:12
Exploring collaborations in the music industry and its impact.
“You ain't bringing Erykah Badu to this one, dog.”
Stories Behind Iconic Tracks
7:12 to 7:36
Insights into the making of legendary tracks like 'Niggas in Paris'.
“Straight to the, you foul for making that.”
The Journey of Hit Songs
7:36 to 9:52
Hit Boy shares his experiences producing hit songs and working with artists.
“I was just a kid, excited, making beats, having fun with the shit.”
Working with Major Artists
9:52 to 10:24
Discussion on collaborations with major artists like Kendrick Lamar and Beyoncé.
“We didn't have all type of platinum records and shit.”
The Nas Collaboration Process
10:24 to 13:12
Hit Boy recounts his experience working with Nas on music projects.
“Like, you know, she invited me to the stool.”
Navigating the Music Industry
13:12 to 14:00
Discussion on the challenges and experiences in the music industry.
“Now the valleys and peaks in the industry you just got out of a publishing deal.”
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Industry Struggles and Early Experiences
14:00 to 21:37
Joe and his guest share stories of their experiences in the music industry, discussing challenges with contracts and early financial struggles.
“He came to me like, yo, we the only Latinos in the industry and this and that nigga robbed me and Pond.”
Industry Struggles and Early Experiences
21:43 to 22:37
Joe and his guest share stories of their experiences in the music industry, discussing challenges with contracts and early financial struggles.
“you're probably thinking of music or world class hotels and casinos knows.”
Creating a Legacy in Music
22:37 to 28:00
The discussion shifts to the legacy and influence of artists like Biggie and the importance of mentorship in the music business.
“You know, I already downloaded the Hard Rock Bet joint.”
Rob Tullo's Proposal and Early Career
28:00 to 29:45
Learn about how Rob Tullo offered Fat Joe his own record label despite his initial struggles.
“But Rob Tullo, as the A &R of Atlantic, heard that I was doing this project and stepped to me.”
Scott Storch and Producer Anecdotes
29:45 to 31:37
Explore the impact of Scott Storch on the music scene and the challenges artists face with producers.
“Whoever's your number one rapper it's up Jada was you on the line?”
Studio Shenanigans and Memories
31:37 to 32:55
Listen to wild stories from the studio, including memorable pranks and antics involving Fat Joe and Pun.
“when y 'all would have, like, album mode, and we used to come and line up.”
Collaboration with Mob Deep
32:55 to 34:39
Discover the connection between Fat Joe and Mob Deep, including challenges and camaraderie in the studio.
“He gets his time out and he gets another challenge.”
Misunderstandings and Collaborations
34:39 to 39:59
Uncover the misunderstandings in early collaborations and the lasting impact of those records.
“because they're not the type to just be like, come on in, you're with us.”
Reflection on Missed Opportunities
39:59 to 42:00
Reflect on missed opportunities in music collaborations and the creative process behind them.
“but, you know, I wish the best for everybody.”
Celebrating the New Album 'Goldfish'
42:00 to 43:54
Learn about the inspiration behind the album title and its themes.
“You know what happens is I just be like...”
Producer Turned Spitters: A Journey
43:54 to 45:50
Discover how producers transition into rapping and the creative process involved.
“Who came up with the title and why is it called Goalfish?”
Collaborative Dynamics in Hip-Hop
45:50 to 49:54
Explore the importance of unity and collaboration among hip-hop artists.
“you start to hide behind the pillow and shit.”
The Evolution of Alchemist's Collaborations
52:30 to 52:56
Discuss the evolution of Alchemist's collaborations and his impact on hip-hop.
“Reese Witherspoon here, checking into my favorite hotel in Paris.”
The Evolution of Alchemist's Collaborations
53:00 to 56:00
Discuss the evolution of Alchemist's collaborations and his impact on hip-hop.
“You yourself, right, you're having pause, what we call like glow up.”
The Importance of Timing and Connection
56:00 to 56:40
Discussing the significance of timing in their careers and connections with each other.
“And I feel like that's where we connected.”
Eminem's Influence and Work Ethic
56:40 to 59:08
Sharing experiences with Eminem, his influence, and his relentless work ethic.
“No, because it's like you guys are very talented, but you're all well protected.”
The Creative Process Behind Their Film
59:08 to 1:01:08
Exploring the idea of creating a film alongside their music project and its artistic vision.
“Sometimes you try to explain it to kids that wasn't there at that time.”
Taylor Swift's Record-Breaking Success
1:01:08 to 1:02:38
Discussing Taylor Swift's recent achievements and the impact of her success on the industry.
“you know, when we talk in movies, it made me remember that Taylor Swift just put out a movie with her.”
Disappointing Encounters with Celebrities
1:02:38 to 1:04:50
Recounting personal stories of meeting celebrities and the unexpected letdowns.
“How many times you waited to meet somebody forever and you like, you know, man, this guy ain't shit.”
Upcoming Album and Collaboration Insights
1:04:50 to 1:09:06
Giving details about their upcoming album release and discussing collaboration dynamics.
“So I'm at the awards and I'm sitting next to him.”
Discussing Collaborations and Creative Processes
1:10:01 to 1:11:00
Joe and Jada delve into their collaborations and creative journeys.
“He must have been on that dead end when I met him.”
Lyrics and Themes from 'Goldfish'
1:11:00 to 1:13:42
An exploration of the themes and lyrics from the song 'Goldfish'.
“Me and out moving pure, the niggas in our division.”
Upcoming Tours and Projects
1:13:42 to 1:15:01
Discussion about upcoming tours and projects related to 'Goldfish'.
“Doing good Make sure y 'all get that goldfish I hit two different It's that one part I don't know, it's the fourth of A-bar with a...”
Transcript
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2:03Learn how Halion can assist your game day goals at halionassist.com slash con. You realize you were the first big artist to ever rap on a beat-a-mire? Oh, man. I'm going to cap for you today. I'm going to cap. I'm capping for you today. Hold on. Let me, yo, I bet you don't even remember.
2:34What's up, y 'all? It's the biggest in the motherfucking game, Joe Crack to Dawn. Know who it is, your boy Jada. This is the Joe and Jada Show. Every show legendary, every show iconic. And today is another one of those. Ladies and gentlemen. Super, you got to go a little more legendary on the internet. excuse his cutting me off but ladies and gentlemen viewers people with ears if you love music if you love authentic hip hop if you love the culture please make some noise for our guest today hip boy and my brother Alchemy I love you You got motherfucking Beethoven and Mozart's of the fucking game, of the 25th century.
3:34These motherfuckers, it's hieroglyphics, man. These ain't even icons. These are different type of solicitors up on the program over here. These guys were giving you, if you don't know who they are, they've been making your head not for the last 20, 30 years? How long? I mean, shit for me. Yeah, I started. Alchemist, you need that rewind. We need a white boy on the cover. I got to talk to you. Boxer Rewind gets you that bag. Why fight the time when you can rewind the time? Sometimes that shit like Lego. It looks like Lego. No, no, not this time. Don't fuck with me. This the real shit. You be switching up shades.
4:17No, my shit is consistent. Let me hear something. No, no. That's what he say. He don't like the fake look. My shit don't look fake. No, I don't. My shit is soothing to the skin. It's my product. I'm trying to make you money while you sleep. Yeah, hey, boy. One thing you're going to do is you're going to throw that shit on, man. It was 90 degrees yesterday. I seen you with a fur coat on in the middle of the... You don't give a fuck. You're in the entertainment zone, right? Like... 100. Like I've seen all the back of the days. Diana Ross with fur coats in the summer. Like, who gets... We got to adapt to any...
4:54You don't adapt to any weather. that's why I'm trying so you had to listen in that Stone Island so they gave us some like custom pieces and yeah you had to throw that shit on shout out to Stone Island and Wayne Freak you know what I mean I've been connected but it ain't it ain't Plymouth Rock didn't lay nobody give us shit I don't give shit I agree y 'all got a crazy motherfucking set up in here though this shit nice no no we the biggest in the game but thank you that's what's going on okay he makes that my business partner always wanted to be humble about this shit they said I'm not delusional Like I know we the biggest in the game.
5:27We moving the whole fucking culture. We the guys. You know, we play a record. Niggas change their singles. Be careful. Y 'all got new music yet? Yeah, we will. Because I guarantee you, you're going to change the single. Whatever you play here, Joe, whatever you play here becomes the fucking single. Tiana Taylor came here and said, I'll play the 13th song on the album. Became her single. Too many people. I see you. Avon came here and played that more. Avon came here. Played that hot beat against the world. That was you single. See what it's doing. Shout out to my brother. Your big damn came up here in the fucking country with a sombrero.
6:01Five million views. It changed the single. We are controlling the culture right now. We're not delusional. You're not lying, man. Yo, but listen, we love you, man. You ain't bringing Erykah Badu to this one, dog. I didn't bring that Erykah Badu over here, huh? She gonna pull up, man. It don't even... When is time? When is time? We ain't gonna talk. We ain't gonna... We gonna get into y 'all new project. Y 'all collaborating in a minute, but it only make sense for y 'all to do something together because y 'all been controlling the fucking, y 'all been controlling shit for the past. How does that just feel?
6:36You know what I mean? I mean, shit, the last, what, about five years, every end of the year list is, they'd be like Alchemist, Hit Boy, like, producer list and shit. So for us to tap in, it just, you know, it made sense. You know what I mean? I got hella respect for both, and obviously legendary, you know, I'm getting to learn from, you know what I mean? I'm a student in this shit. I'm always trying to learn, trying to pick up new techniques, new ways to think about shit. And I was just, he got that game. So. I'm going to drop some titles and you just give us, what was it like making it? What was the, what was the whole journey when I named these joints?
7:11First things first, niggas in Paris. Oh, man. Let's just, straightforward. I mean, let's not even play with it. Nah, let's go. Man, serious. Straight to the, you foul for making that. Straight to the, I threw a flag for you. Red flags. I threw a flag. Fuck, man. Nah, I mean, bro, shit. That was awesome, bro. That shit's still ringing off. I just seen Ho do it at the last Beyoncé show on Vegas. Raiders say there's 100 ,000 motherfuckers in that shit. I was just a kid, excited, making beats, having fun with the shit. You know what I mean? I flew out here to New York. I did some records with Ho and Ye on that.
7:47Never seen a lot of day. I was hyping on them records and shit. I'm going back to the city, telling the homies, man, I got ho rapping on my shit, yay. And then none of them joints became anything. Like, the beat for niggas in Paris was just a beat I had emailed, yay, like months prior. Wasn't thinking about this shit at all. He hit me like, bro, we just did this song out in Paris, and when this shit dropped, your life about to change. Nigga was right. That's what he said. Yeah, that's what he said. Let's talk about this one. Sicko Mo. Sicko Mo, yeah. I mean, shit. I did the first part of it. I'm a flaggered out.
8:20I did the first part of it you know what I mean like the Drake part me and my boy Roger produced that together and that actually is crazy because I did some shit on Travis album that came out prior to Astroworld Birds in a Trap I did a song called Way Back the day that shit came out Birds in a Trap Travis hit me like bro I got a big session and I got a session with Drake I need you to send me some bombs and I sent the single mode beat that nigga FaceTimed me the next day going crazy playing the joint but he was like we're going to have to hold this shit to the next album. So I had to hold that beat for two years.
8:52Yeah. But you knew that was a force field. You knew that. Whenever that shit came. No, that was. Come on. You just asked about niggas in Paris and Sycamore. Them joints. That's unconscious shit. You know what I'm saying? When we heard Sycamore, just as fans, that shit was un-fucking-real. And that was something that my daughter kept like, I think COVID, right? That shit just was like, that was playing in COVID. Yeah, it was right. Legendary. Yeah, it was so. You know, I had a kukuzi in COVID. So I was scared to go to the pool. So I had like a little round kukuzi. And every day. What's a kukuzi, man?
9:32It ain't quite a jacuzzi. It's a kukuzi. Maybe like a$300 plastic fucking filled up with water sitting in the sun in Miami. Like, I wasn't fucking with nobody. I had the kukuzi. The kukuzi. But that sick of all? Come on, dog. Heavy rotation. That's tough. Let me ask you about some more. Hold on. Click. Yeah, click. Ain't nobody messing with my click. Classic. Who's there for that? Yeah, Shout Money and Big Sean, too. You know what I mean? We didn't have all type of platinum records and shit. But, yeah, the first time I heard that, I was actually, I was in the Hamptons working on Beyonce's album, and Ye brought the final version through right before he put the album out.
10:11Cold, what was it? Cold Summer, some shit. like that. And yeah, I did a few records on there with Click. That's just, you know, they all snapped on that shit. Speaking of Beyonce, let's go right into feeling myself. What was, how you paused? What was that like? Man, again, bro, just having joints. Like, you know, she invited me to the stool. She was at record playing Beyonce and I went and played some beats for her. She did that joint and next thing I know, Nicki was on it. She used that shit for the album. Like the video, all like, yeah. I got more. Drop the World, man. Lil Wayne featuring Eminem.
10:48That was the first time people really in the hip-hop world start seeing my name and shit on a bigger platform. That was probably the first platinum song I had produced. Me and my boy Chasin Cash. I'm Chasin Cash and shit. Yeah, just young niggas. That was like 2010, bro. That was the first one. That was before streaming and all that. So I'm on the iTunes charts watching that shit just go up and it went to number one. I'm like, damn, that shit was crazy. It was fire. Yeah. Super fire. Backseat freestyle, man. Kendrick Lamar. Man, legend. Yeah, shit. I had, uh, I went to Vegas fucking with T.D.E.
11:23and Kendrick before we put out Good Kid, Mad City. We was just locked in on joints. Again, that was another one where it was like he had put his vocals on some other beats and I was like hype off that shit. He like, bro, I fuck with them joints but let me hear a few more beats type shit. Him and Dave we pulled up to my crib and that was one of the first beats I played. He was like, this is it. Took it. Rolled to it And he was on tour He texted me like Bro we got one He was like This shit on the album For sure Yeah Good shit Yeah Goldie A$AP Rocky Man I fucked up Because I I got invited to that video With him and Yams In Paris And I didn't make it I don't know why I didn't go But that would have been A crazy look You know what I mean R.P.
12:03Yams and shit You know Yeah Goldie That was like That was really bro Like first single On a major label type shit You know what I mean So that was Pivotal moment Like that shit You know help both, you know, go into that stratosphere. Fine. Let's talk about the King's Disease Trillage. How you, what happened? Esco just called you and said, that really my boy Double right here was with, uh, with bro. Yeah, they was doing double business. I seen Double post Nas on his story. I just hit that nigga like, bro, you gotta have this nigga pull up. Literally, he like, man, he gonna slide tomorrow. I'm thinking nigga's bullshitting.
12:36He slid and was opening my ideas. I had some hook ideas with like Don Toliver, they ended up going on the album. I had some Anderson Paak shit. I just was playing on my ideas and he was laying verses and really fucking with me. So I'm like, he like, after the session, he's like, I'm going to keep pulling up. I'm thinking like, come on, this is Nas, this thing ain't going to keep pulling up. That nigga pulled up for three years straight. We did six hours. Let me ask you the Nas process. Does he take long to spit a verse? Because he look like one of them guys take long to spit a verse. No, I mean, if he looks at me, it's for sure.
13:06It's like, if it's the right beat. I mean, bro, I don't know how you We put out 80 songs In three years He was He was being He was being 80 songs In three years Hell yeah I like that Car 85 That Car 85 Was my shit On that album I really loved That first album You know what I'm saying That Car 85 And the 88 They call me Babyface Yeah yeah yeah That was hard We snapped That was hard Charlie Wilson Singing on that Marfor you That was hard. Now the valleys and peaks in the industry you just got out of a publishing deal. Yeah. Home helped you get out of that. Yeah. Shout out to H.O. He always coming through.
13:48Shout out to him and Desiree. I mean, there's no pull that power play, man. And got me an end date because I didn't even have no end dates on my scene. Oh, I got robbed too. I got robbed for like 14 years. My shit is different. He came to me like, yo, we the only Latinos in the industry and this and that nigga robbed me and Pond. Damn. 14 years, man. You ain't slapping? Couldn't. That nigga, we never saw him. Who he got? He got missing after that? Nah, he's just, he's in a different... He's a kid. He's Jelly Bean, Benitez, and he hanging out with Madonna and them. He ain't coming around our shit.
14:26So if he would have came around, allegedly, you know what's up, right? But he's nowhere to be, you know what I'm saying? He was nowhere to be fouled. So we in different circles, but eventually like, you know what happened to me? I beat this. I did a soundtrack, right? And I asked them for 150 ,000. Yeah. I'm like, yo, and I did the song. And I said, yo, I need 150 ,000. And at that time, I was really going for that bread. At that time. And he said, hold up. We ain't approved all the way yet. I said, why? He said, well, your publisher's asking for 300. I said, what? I didn't see this man in 14 years that's when it was oh no we got the finer we gotta find this gotta find this way out of here because I didn't know this guy was raping me on that level he wasn't giving him the permission for me to be on the soundtrack and he wanted double the money and I never seen him a man never gave me a$50 ,000 check man just before leaning back So I got it.
15:35The next song I did was Layin' Back. Yeah, I think I did. Yeah, that's how that shit happened, B. And so with you, how did they get you for the publishing? That was like raping you records, huh? I mean, shit, I was one year out of high school. Why you got to use my label after this? Man, yesterday I came up with some ill labels. Yeah, I mean, I heard shit I signed the deal one year out of high school at 19. I mean, 50 racks sounded like everything at that time. Same thing with me. I didn't hear this, man. You know what I mean? Same thing with me. I bought the Lexus for$49 ,950. They stole that shit the first day.
16:10I went to Funtmaster Flex birthday party. Niggas robbed the whole garage. I'm all over Brooklyn, MOP. Everybody was with me looking for the Lexus. Let me tell you something. You talking about a hallway fucked up here. The 50 they gave me, they stole the car the first fucking day. MOP was looking for the Lexus too? With me, the whole Brooklyn. because one of the guys
16:38got caught so they robbed the whole garage it was a palladium form massive flex burpee. He robbed all the cars? The whole garage. He took the Mexican man and robbed him palladium so around the corner they robbed the whole garage and he fly a car one of them got caught he happened to be from Brooklyn so we studied We was all over Brooklyn, all over Brooklyn looking for this fucking Lexus in every garage. Every MOP was with us. Fray, Billy, everybody running through. What's the little guy down with them, too? What's my little man? Damn, man. Fox, all of them. But anyway, we a thousand deep drive.
17:18The whole Brooklyn New Fat Joe's looking for this Lexus. We all over it. Come on, man. Let me tell you something that's crazy. You ain't getting back. Find it. Let me tell you the story. three months later I'm like one day to getting my $50 ,000 check back they find the fucking Lexus I wanted my$50 ,000 back B I might have had a G in the bank account B I was like yo I'm gonna get$50 ,000 back yo chill I made a mistake with the Lexus one day your Lexus has been found I'm like fuck I didn't want that shit found I wanted the$50 ,000 they found no this guy was driving it like it was his car when they found it, he had car seat in the back, kids books this guy was driving his kids to school he owned the Lexus for three months, you can't tell to this day, he probably get broken like, yo, remember you had the LS4 yeah, you know, that's how that shit go, you know what I'm saying, but we got it back, but I know about that shit man how's it working with your pops I did a lot of time, I just came from the prisons talking to the dudes up north Shout out to Marcy and Miz State He was working with them He back down right now man free him You know what I mean it was a 30 year You know what I mean saga Dealing with this shit my whole life You know that shit is a fucking Rollercoaster man he really Is who we say he is you know what I mean Like he really bought that shit so It's kind of hard to tame that But you know I'll be doing the best I can Just trying to keep that nigga busy keep him working He was on stage with Kendrick got the pop out Yeah, your songs with Snoop, whole album with Game and shit.
18:56What's the problem if he keeps going back? Like, what is it? Is it like substance abuse? Is it like... He's just a real nigga. He got standing on him. I want to be a real nigga at home. Yeah, nah, for sure. You too. Same, same nigga. I don't got him. Me too. I couldn't imagine, bro. He being around niggas all day, bros. Hell nah. Fuck that. But, you know, he just a wild dude, man. He don't really follow rules. He don't follow rules, man. Yeah, Alchemist. You ready for the Alchemist? Or you got like, I mean, you know, Alchemist, let me tell you something. We prepared for him. You, we know you like the back of the head, bro.
19:32We like, yeah. My favorite beat I ever rapped to in my whole career of 37 years is Definition of a Dom. Wow. It's my favorite. I say it all the time. I don't know if you see it on interviews or whatever the case. That's crazy. It's because it's such a real song, real the beat is just when I hear that if you ever want to know the real Fat Joe you listen to that song that's Fat Joe telling you that's the real Fat Joe like it ain't like I made a song for this that's like me describing the autobiography of my life definition of a dawn I'm like yo my god I remember that you don't even know how much I bet it's some shit you forgot you realize you realize you were the first big artist to ever rap on a beat of mine oh man I'm a cap for you today I'm a cap I'm capping for you today hold on let me yo I bet you don't even remember you remember the Cypress Hill remix Tequila Sunrise I was just underneath mugs at the time I was still living in LA you weren't even flying yet you had to tour bus I don't forget none of this shit because this was a big you know mugs was giving me a shot like yo you gonna do the remix and we gonna get Fat Joe on it and that was a big break for me like yo it was Tequila Sunrise remix man not only you say that I get goosebumps right now because Cypress Hills is only you know us being Latino me and Punt they were pretty much the only guys we looked up to you know what I'm saying they set the bar to where it was like yo we wanna be like Cypress Hills they was like on another level of you know what I mean they were the only guys we could look up to and what's crazy is we still look up to them so those guys but damn I ain't know that you know I've been around a long time you know you guys are producers what year was that?
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25:59Scott Storch, you know, changed his life. You know what I'm saying? They was raping. Talk about it. That was the reverse rapism. They had that boy doing all them fucking hits and they wouldn't give him credit. Yeah. And so Rob Reef Tulo, by the way, the only A &R that I ever got ideas from, one of the greatest, changed my life, made me millionaire. there, this guy, Rob Reeves, too low, because the other day I shitted on A &Rs. What I don't like... He's a different breed. He's from that era. Rob was the best maybe ever, and even back in those days, he made sure I got my bread, even if it was a little bit, because they didn't have to do that shit.
26:40He was one of those guys. Like, I don't know, hats off to Reeves, man. Straight up. Let me just think. I don't even want to go there, because I don't want to turn this interview into a cap interview, right? But, what I can say...
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26:56Go. Let me tell you something. Rob Reef, Too Low, changed my life. You know what I'm saying? He heard, you know what I'm saying, I was working with Biggie on a project and he came and divide and conquer. He said, yo, you doing this work with Biggie? I said, yeah, I only had two albums before that. I had no money, no nothing, Flo Joe, none of that shit made money, sold records, this and that. He was like, y 'all, I want to give you your own label. he took me to Atlantic and because I was going to put out a project with Biggie it's the only reason I never sold I didn't deserve my own record later wait a minute wait a minute you had records with Biggie?
27:35yes where you at? Under a rock? I'm trying to tell you that's the inception that's the inception of Cap Joe because I told people I was doing man where are these records? listen I don't have it No, no, no, no. How come it's no, I'm too real? He know I ain't going to lie. Never. Me and Biggie was cutting records. He want to be the black Don, I'm the Spanish Don. Some people call it Cap, whatever. This is crazy. But Rob Tullo, as the A &R of Atlantic, heard that I was doing this project and stepped to me. It was like, yo, you doing? And I'm like, yeah. And he was like, yo, yo, I want to give you your own record label.
28:16I didn't even deserve the record label at the time. All the million dollars. I might have had two grand in my fucking bank account. But you had Punt already, right? No, not yet. This was TS. This is Terror Squad Records, right? Yeah, but this is the beginning. This is before even Punt. Okay, okay. Or nothing like that. It was just me. I only had two albums out. Hustlin' is the key to success of Flojo. So Rob came and gave me millions, my own record label. And that's why they gave me my record label, because it was like a biggie fucking with this guy. Fat Joe's on our Shacha with Ella and all them.
28:49That was out already. Let's grab him. Yeah, that was out. So he was like, no, the momentum, the projection was there. It just wasn't there. You know how we all say Big L wouldn't have died. He would have been the biggest. So I was like projected to win, but I wasn't there yet. And Rob took the chance with me and did that same thing with Scott Storch when he introduced me to Scott Storch. And he was just so talented. And I was just like, yo, and I'm the first to go, yo, Scott Storch on a hit record. I'll just use that tag on a song. he just played some keys on the song. I just dropped with AZ Chike and Baby Tron and I only spanked Nitty.
29:26You heard the yo Scott Storch. What's up? After that he had cheese lines outside his thing. Let me tell you what's crazy about you producers. Yo Jada, it's the truth. Scott's too good. After I shouted out Scott Storch I'm going to the studio it's Method Man, Redman, this one. That was cheese lines of rappers. Whoever's your number one rapper it's up Jada was you on the line? Yes he was he was that shit was over Scott is a yo what up nephew I ain't see you over here yo let me tell you something give Fat Joe credit but I set I set a lot of trends in this game I've seen Scott's story you know we have hit boy and I'll get miss here Scott's thoughts is old I was proud I was proud we can't have Scott's thoughts now he told the old no he can't but let me tell you something it's a lot of Scott Storch stories.
30:20Listen, so I'm going to Scott Storch? Yo, come on! See? Yo! That man is Leonardo DiCaprio of the music game. When he tells his story? He got stories. Oh my God. He lived a life. Did you guys, no, super like, did you guys ever like make a pact so you come see Jada and it's like, alright, I hear this for Jada, but you keep the other pack for Jay-Z. I used to hate these producers. They come in the studio to bring us beats, and they be playing some shit, and they be like, oh, this is for hoes. H to this. Oh, H to this. I'm over there trying to make a fucking hit. I got a fucking wrench around my brain trying to crack open or something.
31:12Went through a lot of that on Bad Boy with Big. They used to play the beats and say, nah, that's for Big. Why the fuck did you play it for me? Yo, my aunt is suspect. If you remember... Rockwild, all the mix that were coming, the shit with Matthew Bend, they'd be like, oh, I can't really give you that. That's the Red Man. And then we'd be like, yo, my man, like, what the fuck? What you giving me? I'm chopped liver. We used to come to the studio. You remember those days, like, in Battery, when y 'all would have, like, album mode, and we used to come and line up. It would be Buckwild, Rockwild, or whoever come with the dats and have to play beats.
31:44But y 'all used to have the fucking shenanigans. Like, I remember one time, it was you and Pundit's studio and I came in the studio to play beats and it was a hammer on the table allegedly so I walked in and Pundit was sitting all the way on the back on the couch against the wall right that's what he used to say and he went and grabbed an apple he put an apple on his head I'm lying I just told him he put an apple on his head he put an apple on his head I ain't spoke to Joe in a minute he put an apple on his head He said, yo, Joe, Joe. Joe said, right now, right here? He said, Joe, go, go, go ahead, go ahead.
32:23Joe said, nah, we can't do that right here. He said, go, go, go. Joe took the hammer. Boom! And put it like this. They made the fucking, it was an air gun. He made the apple move. I told that story recently about he did that with Tony Sunshine today. You know they never put us in battery studios again. Tony Sunshine put the apple on some young, this little white engineer. and they pun did the same shit, shot it, they never let me ramp at a studio again in my life. It was my favorite fucking studio. Those sessions were crazy. Those fucking sessions were crazy, man. You think I'm caping off? He gets one taken back.
33:00He gets one taken back from the cap. Story checks out. Story checks out. He gets his time out and he gets another challenge. Those were crazy days, man. But yeah, I mean, you know. But they were the fun days. For sure. See, I thought you was a member of Mob Deep. I mean. Shit, you can say that. Well, the way I looked at it, right? Because you got Havoc, you know, niggas calling that the number one album of all time produced. Straight up. I see lists all the time where - But Infamous? Yes. Infamous is - And so you come afterwards and team up with Prodigy. Murder Music. So you putting in mean work with - That's the line.
33:37Murder Music is when I got down. How do you come in when he already has a Dr. Dre? So I thought you was the third member of Maud Dewey. I swear to God. I mean, yo, listen, I tell Hab all the time, I thank him. And that's a real testament to confidence. He's having, he made a whole sound. So when I got to New York, I was around soaking up all that shit, figuring out how to make the drums a certain way. Like Hab is a mastermind genius. We know this, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, the connection was through Cypress. So it was funny how it worked. You know, Muggs was working with them all.
34:11I came to New York and he linked me with them. and they just saw me in New York, like just out here, dolo, still repping Soul Assassins, but they were like, come fuck with us, you know? And then I just, I was out here kind of by myself. So them putting me into the mix, you know how that made me feel? Like think of that Marv D, Murder Music is, they already did Hell on Earth, Infamous. That's what I'm trying. I was a fan when I met them, you know what I'm saying? So the fact they let, and you know how it is, is it was gradual too, because they're not the type to just be like, come on in, you're with us.
34:43it took a while until I was like Ray Kwan's wedding and I went you know how you go to a wedding they give you them shuttle bus it was sitting next to RZA and his wife and RZA turns around and is like you know I used to let you you know work with Ray like yo I'm like you know some crews they wouldn't even let you work with each other they be like yo he's like yo you know I'm glad we at the wedding because you know how do you feel about that? I mean that's You know, RZA was the boss. That's like you call my outfit a little outfit. He kind of like little out of the way. I used to let you wear that pinky in the brain.
35:23That shit looking fly right there. But, you know, your brother compliments your outfits, man. You can say something about my outfit, man. It's outfits. See, motherfucker, boy, he won't give a compliment for nothing. God damn it. I give you compliments all the time. Yo, listen, but where we was at with Cruz, like even me. right and I please I don't want to start no type of beef I worship you guys I love you guys to death but I'm a member of digging in the crates from the beginning and I remember when they asked me to do I shot you LL's I shot you would keep me of course some of the members was like y 'all you don't rock when no they was the underground they was underground they didn't believe that it was forbidden for you to do a shingle that was about to blow they didn't want you Yeah, with my idol, LL Cool J.
36:15I was like, yo, this is my idol. This guy's four-time planet. Hold on. James, they was like strictly underground. There's seven members in Digging in the Crows. All right. Let's get to it. Who was it? No, I can't. But what I'm saying to you, what I'm saying is, man, Joe, man, Joe. These two to three members know. I think I know who it was. Two to three members. I think I know who it was. It was like, yo, we only rock. Nah, it wasn't show. It wasn't show. I knew who it was. It was like, it's two or three members that was like, yo, we rock with us. And I was just like, I said, that was the one time I said, man, I don't.
36:47It wasn't Andre the Giant. Leave it alone. No, it wasn't. We can narrow it down. But that record was hard. You see, I was born yesterday. No, it was a stepping stone. You know what I'm saying? It was almost like a pop that French Montana. Like, it was a time. Like, I shot you put me on another level. Was that a Chris Lighty? It was Chris Lighty. This is. And Chris Lighty and Track Masters. they fucked with me hard so they came, they heard my second album I was working at Battery it was like yo, you wanna jump on this LL but I know about you know, you working with Prodigy you know, I know they must have had some internal talks like yo we ain't talking about that, he made it in he made the shit it was always love, Av always showed me love but we kinda, you know, still sharp and still yo, we gotta shout out We got to shout out my man Keg, a.k.a.
37:43Rockstar, a.k.a. Tommy Addy with Rolly, because he put us together. That's right. And, yo, you know what's crazy? He doing his thing now. Shout out to Keg. My God, you might have gave him their best record ever. And you know what's crazy? Do you remember? No, no, that's a fact. No, it's definitely timeless. He has a fan. I don't know if he liked one. He gave me still feeling. Feel me. This is another connection that's crazy. Look at this. You kidding me? Remember the beat for Bring It On? Yeah. Remember the beat for Bring It On? Huh? Remember the Bring It On beat, right? Bring It On. So there was a Stretch Armstrong.
38:16It was a Stretch Armstrong. We balled in and threw that beat in the Cobra Clutch, you talking about? And then Stretch came and told me y 'all was asking who did the beat. Because I didn't know y 'all yet. So shout to Stretch. We went up on Stretch. We balled up. Now, what's the real story? this the last time we ever gonna talk about this cause shout out to my brother Raskash shout out to his sons Raskash shout out to Deidre Moses chill out I'm talking can I have my moment I didn't wanna take my moment and make it your moment let me get my moment you can try whatever happened cause all I know you came in played me some beats I picked that and that then I got a you know what I mean cause it was really you I took the heat for it but it was really Al he didn't tell me what was going on with it we took the heat this is the last time we ever gonna talk about this cause it's all love so let's it was just a mix up man it was a misunderstanding I had love for both of y 'all I still do you know shout to Rats I just saw Rats last week you know Living Legend Rats his kids are killing it Ghost Contra shout to Ghost Contra It was a mix-up.
39:39It was early in my career, you know what I'm saying? And it was like, it was a lot of little moving parts and shit that happened, but in the end, you know, I wish it didn't go that way, you know what I'm saying? But in the end, the record we made definitely became something that lasted forever and shout out to Razz, too, you know what I mean? It was just a mix-up back in that time, but, you know, I wish the best for everybody. Everybody's doing great now. Well, you know what happened to me? Yo. Don't tell me we are the world We are the world I throw the flag ahead of time Who beat did he have first?
40:12We are the world Fuji La The star spangled banner In my face by Salaam Remy Right after Flojo And I'm telling you I wouldn't have did a better job than Fuji La But I was in his house In Manhattan He made Fuji La in my face For Fat Joe We used to be number one He said Lauryn Hill came like two hours late and was like, oh, no, not Fat Joe. This is my shit. And they snatched up that Fuji La. It was made for me. If you listen to Fuji La, it's the same type of drums as Flo, Joe. Same pace and everything. She came and threw that shit in the Cobra Clutch and was like, yo, I needs this. Let me get that badge.
40:54I just heard recently you said win or lose was originally for me and Pete. I never told you that. What the fuck? Uh-oh. Nob, see, this is what happened. You know, when we were doing mob albums, yo, could you play Win or Lose right now? Win or Lose, man. Just think about it. Imagine that too. Imagine this. We were finishing the mob album and like when we were doing the album, we would go to the studio and work, but sometimes they would come to my crib and we would record joints. So that was a joint I had in my crib in the computer. Album was done and I was like, secretly, I hadn't told you, but I was like hoping they would forget because I wanted to put S.P.
41:31and Kiss on it. And then P. came to my crib like a week before they were finishing the album and was like, yo, remember that joint? What was that one joint we had in the computer? And I was like, oh yeah. Damn. But you know what I'm saying? What would that have been like, man? Because all these people wanted to imagine, you know what I'm saying? You know he and Joe and J.D., we don't let nobody finish their answers. I'm glad he said that. I'm glad that was one of the best things you ever said. Y 'all thank you, brother. They need to clap with me or nothing. Yeah. I need to do a clip of like...
42:08You know what happens is I just be like... Ideas come up while I'm hearing them. I'm like, oh, I got a better... I feel it. I got to work on that. Put it up.
42:22Cranky Crocker, man. Oh, you would have went crazy, right? Y 'all can't suck it. Imagine that. Yo, you would have went crazy. I had the right idea. Whoa!
42:36You feel it, baby? Yes. Another day, another dollar. It's about getting money. Give me a holler, my nose running. I've been out in the cold. Hustle for so long. My hands numb. I bet I feel that paper hit my palm. It's like, oh, shit, it's on. Time to go shopping for cars, not fashion. I wish be the bomb. My clothes be the same shit that we had on. Fuck, look at you. Say that for the bra. It's the AJBO. Z-dump and reload. Knock, knock. Answer that. I'm clapping through the people. I'm talking to pay lawyers so we be those. Get locked in. I'm slutting late to see you. You'll be the only niggas you know that fuck they POs.
43:15They push our files to the top. You still on parole. We got money to roll. No time for penitentiary. Now turn that on. He was different, man. Peace out. If I was you, I wouldn't want to hear that. that's a well anyway that's a legendary song but that that definitely got the locks written off they would have been phrased hold on hold on time for the toast when we talk about the new stuff yeah we gonna toast to the new album then we gonna talk about it when we could toast to life and the life and the life they got the new album Goldfish you know what I mean with these two album in the film album in the film we gonna toast Goalfish.
43:56Goalfish right quick. Who came up with the title and why is it called Goalfish? I mean, shit, life be like that. We be stuck in a bowl just going in circles and shit sometimes, you know what I mean? It's like, you know, mentally, whatever it is. But it's a couple of meetings. When you see it, you know what I mean? You don't really understand what's going on. Now, y 'all both spitters turn producers or producers turn spitters. I was making my own songs before I made beats. And man, to be honest, the beat shit was just on some like fun shit for me. You know, just still is. It's like I replaced playing video games with making beats because the FL studio look like Tetris.
44:33They was clowning that shit when they drive. Like it was like real producers don't use, you know, Fruity Loops. Now it's like all the Drake hits, a lot of Kendrick hits, a lot of niggas shit getting made on FL. You know what I mean? You know what me? I don't care where the fuck that beat came from. Long as it's knocking, it's made it with two Fruit Loop boxes. Who gives a shit? Shit is not good. I don't really give a fuck. They got the rumor that Havit came up with the shit from the project, the light, the... From the stove. From the stove and the project. That really came from that? Well, that's what the rumor is.
45:06I don't know if it's confirmed. That's hard, though, because everybody's stove did that. It's a good story. Back up with that shit. I think it was just the engineer playing the hi-hats in the beginning. Maybe. It fits. It's a good conversation. I like it. My point is... Let me turn this up. Gold bottles, goldfish. Gold bottles and goldfish. Respect, man. More life. More wealth. More nothing. Goldfish. How many times you ever shipped an ace on the ace of spay? Yeah, right, right, right. This classy. This really classy right here. Man. Back on the drink. We was just in Starless last night, hours ago.
45:43Man, that's it. I'm still recovering. Go ahead, guys. We don't bring that into these conversations. Every time somebody say some shit like that, you start to hide behind the pillow and shit. Yo, how was it started? It was amazing, man. Great time. I love it. Lose your family in that motherfucker, huh? Man. That's the devil's day. It's a good spot, man. It's a good spot. I'm sitting in booby trap one night in fucking Miami. I'm with my man Money. And we throwing so much money, so much this. and I turned around, I seen the greatest Caribbean, Asian, white, Spanish, I said, oh no, the devil, I gotta seek the kingdom.
46:25The devil's in here. This is the devil's lair. We gotta get out of here. Sometimes you gotta run out of a place like that. I'm at the Yankee, by the way, they call me the bad news, what do they call me, the jinx? I'm the mush. We won last night, B. That boy George hit that shit out the park Mayor had to, he told the whole, yo, he fucked himself so royally. He told the whole section, if judge hits a home run, I'm buying drinks. That nigga hit the home run. Mayor had to buy every, don't go messing with Cotton Eye Joe. These are different kind of fans out there. Yo, like triple of Tito's. Doubles, I say, yo, you got.
47:10Yo, they was ordering doubles and triples. Yo, listen, some woman came by and she said, I noticed you've been drinking Diet Pepsi. And she bought me a Diet Pepsi. The whole section looked at me. I said, seek the kingdom. Seek the kingdom. No new mistakes. What's going on with that? Who's on out? Y 'all two features we got. What's going on? Give us a little sneak. Your homie Conway. Conway got a solo song on there. Shit, we got Bodie James. Bodie, shout out. I'm with J. Worry. You got my pops, Big Head on there. Who else on that motherfucker? Havoc. But we didn't want to do a compilation album.
47:48I think people probably expect it because we do the beats. But once we link, this is just where it went because it started from a record that we did together like, what was it, two years ago? He was working on a project, hit me up and shit was like, yo, I think he saw, I just did a verse on a Larry June. I don't really rap a lot. You know what I'm saying? But when I was working with, shout out to my brother Larry June. He was like, yo, would you get on this joint right here? with me? I was like, you want me to rap on it? He said, yeah, yeah, it had to be dope. And it was like a 12 bar. So it was easy.
48:17You know, sometimes when I'm making beats, I just write just to test drive the beat. You know what I'm saying? I come from one of the greatest producer rappers ever, Diamond Dean. Shout out to Diamond Dean. And so he got a classic album and all that. And so actually he brought me in the game. Like I was born and raised by a producer that rapped. So I always had love for producers that rap. Is hip-hop that bad now that the producers got to say, yo, we gonna rap? All right, it's not even about that. It ain't even about that, you know what I mean? It's just like, this is a natural, organic leak-up, my nigga.
48:50Like, we just make good songs together, you know, and this shit just, you know, just became something, you know what I mean? You know, this is our first real album. We dropped an EP with like three songs like a year and a half, two years ago, something like that, but it's like a full-length joint, you know what I mean? And showing the camaraderie, you know what I'm saying? Producers, I don't think it's as competitive as the rapper thing. Like, I felt like the producers, like, we all fuck with each other, you know what I mean? So, like, I used to hit him up every year, like he was saying, at the end of the year, like, damn, you kicking my ass, like, I gotta go crazier, you know what I'm saying?
49:24So, it was just a natural connect, and then, after the one record that we did, you know, he saw me rapping, and we did a record, and it went up, and it's like, got like millions of views on YouTube, and we were like, damn, I think people like seeing the camaraderie you know what I'm saying? Yeah I think that's what's the biggest attribute to the locks besides them being very very talented is their unity and their loyalty and the people love that you know what I'm saying? So many unfortunate so many legendary groups these artists don't even talk to each other no more they don't talk with each other they don't this so when we see unity like that, we really, really appreciate that.
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53:05You yourself, right, you're having pause, what we call like glow up. Okay? So this guy, he'd been already, you know, he was making beats. In Paris with them giving them macaroon. You know, he's hanging out with fucking Beyonce and fucking Hamptons. They bringing them chill shrimp and shit. This guy, his profile been really high, right? Kanye, right? He's from that whole factory, right? But you, you always been an underground. And lately, I've been seeing the collaborations. to Erykah Badu. That's already, her baby's father's is top five dead or alive, right? So it's like, yo, you collaborate with her.
53:55So I'm seeing this, like everybody, this real, on a mainstream level, appreciation of alchemists. Do you know you in that moment right now? Or do you, you know, does it feel different? With all of these collabs, do you have any joints left for me? Don't make me pull up my text messages. we have we got here you did a lot of yeah hold on a minute hold on a minute you definitely I deserve that flat nah you know come on we got work to do you know that unfinished business but I mean it too though it's one joint we never got to do it but I need well we yeah I mean I think I think you know what it was in the volume of my life you know what it was is like it feels like you know when you're playing a video game and you're kind of playing it good and you turn the speed up or put it on a more advanced level and be like i don't know if i could play and then you start figuring it out like damn i could go i'm speeding now i'm like this was easier than i thought it's starting to feel like that a little bit like because we got the rinse and repeat formula the last five ten years of you know just doing records with different artists like bodie james or rock marcy or you know action bronzer I could name, you know what I'm saying?
55:16I could go on. The current one is Freddie Gibbs, you know, Alfredo. And it's like, it just feels like, all right, we in motion. Shit is going. I'm not second guessing. I'm pulling the trigger. You know what I'm saying? I'm thinking about my brother P. You know, his time was limited, you know, especially going through the stuff we got. I'm like, if we got it now, we got to go. And it's like, I still got it in me. I don't feel like, I still feel like I could get better. I feel like we got to finish business. I feel like I hit you every now and then like what's up crack we can still make some magic I don't care about none of that it's not a young man's sport they gotta stop talking about that that shit is bullshit I don't know where that narrative came from I don't know where it's lonely at the top came from cause why can't we all be at the top together all of that stuff it doesn't register with me it's just timing man and I feel blessed that you saying that y 'all was like you know how I feel about both of y 'all folks So to get that from you guys, that means I'm doing the right thing.
56:16And you know what I'm saying? Just tied in with my brother hit. You know, he goes as crazy as I do. And I feel like that's where we connected. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, I appreciate it. You know what I mean? Definitely. I mean, I feel like you're a part of the white mafia too. Allegedly. Yo, yo, yo. That's funny. Could be. Could be. Could be. That's the fact. I don't know. I don't know.
56:45No, because it's like you guys are very talented, but you're all well protected. I feel like Eminem, he got this crew. Rosenberg. He'll snatch up Reef. He'll snatch up Alchemist. He'll go get Action Bronson. He'll go, he got like this, y 'all got a white mafia. Bing bong. They got a, nah, they got Y 'all got a white mafia, and I'm happy for it. Y 'all got a mob like that. I see Nems over there on that side. Ding dong. Shout out to them. Your man, Nems over there on that side, too. I feel like who reaches out? Is it Eminem or Paul? Who says, yo, we got to stick it. They ready to be down with us.
57:31They look. They say, all right. You don't know, huh? That sounds fly, though, man. But I'm on to something. No, no. Paul go get some. I'm not delusional. you know, I know what's going on. Shout out to Eminem. You know what I mean? Eminem, we don't talk about him enough on this platform. He's my brother. He's my friend. You know, I got, I can't tell you, like, I get it all the time, but I remember I did the album. What album was it where I said I retired? And I remember I was in my mother's house. My phone rang from my unknown number, and I picked it up, and it was Marshall. And he talked to me for two hours, like, yo, Joe, I've been listening.
58:08you still got it you don't need to I was like I wanted to knock on the neighbors houses and all I'd be like yo this shit fucking Eminem talking to me for an hour and two telling me yo talking me off the retirement list like yo you gotta you know you gotta stay working you got it and that's one of the biggest honors I ever had and to have that relationship with him is amazing because you know people they forget like you know how you just said yo let's go back to Rob Reed Tulo let's go back to that a lot of people forget all these different layers of what's going you know we just be stuck on 2025 and sometimes you don't think about what Eminem came out of me and Big Pun was online in fucking LA that was just before the Grammys in the sunset the fucking we waited online for that album and you ain't waiting on that line for that album if he wasn't the guy.
59:06You know what I'm saying? He was phenomenal. He was incredible. Sometimes you try to explain it to kids that wasn't there at that time. You change shit. And I'm going to tell you, you think we work hard? I've never seen nobody work like him to this day. The level that, like right now, he's in the studio. Right now, I can bet it. Every day, I'm telling you, on tour, headphones in the hotel room, writing. Still. So, you know, when I think I'm doing like that too. All the way in it. all like inside the middle of a tornado. Like, they're not coming out of it. You know what I mean? That was crazy. Yeah, that's crazy.
59:40I remember when I got him on the Lean Back remix, he said the same verse 30 times. It was the same verse. But he would say the word a little different or say it this way and this, this. And we like, fuck, we got the Eminem verse. Can we let this bitch go? And he's just like, yo, yo, yo, but hold up. Sending you another verse. It's the same verse. but like with a different tone or cadence or this and it's like 30 times and I'm like is this the one? He's a perfectionist man and shout out M. What's up with the film that's attached to the project? Man. It was a good idea that Hick came up with when we were working because we were going to do a bunch of videos you know of course and he was like we should shoot a movie you know I'm like about what you know and he was like first it was like about us and we were like nah fuck that let's just get with somebody and get a script put some bread up and shoot fucking movie to go with this out.
1:00:40Play characters outside of ourselves not just a conventional music movie where it's like a little scene and a music video pop up and ain't no shit like that it's like a real beginning middle end type shit it's a real story to it so yeah that's funny. We got Danny Trejo in there we got Simon Rex in there yeah a bunch of good actors Conway's in there High level shit. Shot on film, 16 millimeter film. It's like some high level art. You know what's crazy is, you know, when we talk in movies, it made me remember that Taylor Swift just put out a movie with her. You know, she sold 3 million records in one day.
1:01:18I heard that. Cardi B had a record for like three days. This shit incredible. 3 million in a day? In a day. So how many streams is that? We got to find out, man. it's like two zillions I think it was like merch and shit you know Birdman just said he did a trillion streams with all his artists Birdman just said it streams yeah it's crazy but Taylor Swift Cardi B broke the greatest world of world record her shit lasted three days three work days Taylor Swift came with the three million in one day like this shit and the movie this shit sold like 30, 60 million all streams no no she sold it brother man she sold 1 million copies in one day this is a fact on world goodness look it up Taylor Swift came out less than a week later and sold 2.7 million in one day with the movie you listen to the album?
1:02:21nah I love Travis Kelce he's my brother I love everything about Do you know who got me fooled? Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift got me fooled. Because we all know you be waiting to meet people. How many times you waited to meet somebody forever and you like, you know, man, this guy ain't shit. Or they got an attitude and they cocky or they arrogant. You saying that about Taylor Swift? No, I just think I really believe she's a nice person. No, you're not listening to what I'm saying. I'm honestly, I met everybody. I've hung out with the biggest superstars in the world, in the history of mankind. Where you going with Swift?
1:03:05No, I'm talking about the biggest. Where you going with the Swifties right now? And we talking some crazy shit, and the fans come over, and they go, and come back, yeah, fuck these motherfuckers, this, this. I'm like, damn. Like, I've been with the biggest full of shitters in the world. I'm trying to tell you, Taylor Swift got me fooled. I'm believing she's a nice person. Great. Now, I'm telling you the truth. My whole, since she came around, I said, man, it's a nice girl. She's a fucking nice person. I just tell her, she's a nice lady, man, this girl. You know, and everybody's full of shit. And when you get to know people, and you be like, holy shit.
1:03:50Yo, you know what this shit, I'll tell you a story. Fuck it. I'll say a name, right? I waited maybe 10 years maybe 15 to meet Bruno Mars okay what do y 'all want me to do this is the true story guys you want me to tell the story or not what do you mean you waited because nah I gotta let it go you know he's Puerto Rican at least that's what they say so like we know we know
1:04:27that's my basketball play. Hey, listen. We know Bad Bunny's Puerto Rican. He got the flag. J-Lo does the Super Bowl with the flag, this and that. I've been hearing that Bruno Mars is Puerto Rican, but I never got to meet him. So the whole time I'm excited. You know, I want to bring him in the Puerto Rican mafia. Right? You know how y 'all got the white mafia, right? So I'm at the awards and I'm sitting next to him. James, I'm telling you a story, James. Don't look at the fucking computer. I'm telling you the truth. I'm sitting next to him at the awards. I'm going to keep it all the way 100. I'm sitting right next to somebody in the awards.
1:05:08I said, oh shit, Bruno, I'm going to talk to somebody. He said, yo, he's a fuck nigga. Damn. The guy next to me said, you might not want to do it. He's a fuck nigga. I said, what? Yo, Bruno, what's up, man? yo what's up Joe he's with Anderson Peck I'm like yo you Puerto Rican he got up fuck you mean I'm a real fucking Puerto Rican from Bruce Rick Brooklyn don't ever ask me shit in your life and went and sat on the other side of the man broke my heart dude did you know he was real Rican I wasn't challenging this wasn't a flag if he's a real Tell me something. Who's your father? Pedro? Alejandro?
1:05:53The nicest way being awards. I'm wearing Hermes. I'm not bothering nobody. You have a demeanor, Joe. You have a demeanor. No, Bruno Mars. I've been waiting 15 years. Did you ask him if he was Bordy? He could have just said, yeah, I'm Bordy. What's up, Bordy? Okay. I don't know. A lot of you artists is weird. I asked a motherfucker question that starts a gang war. like the answer to the question is we want peace yo you in the gang this we want peace yo you in the gang yeah I'm in the gang but we want peace nah I'm in the gang fuck you let everybody kill each other this no the answer is yeah Puerto Rican what's up bro I love big pun something I thought that's a normal man screamed on me and left went to the other room and was mad like you know other side of the fucking awards looking like and I didn't I was like yo, we beat up his pops?
1:06:50You know, we've been around for a minute. No, I swear to God. I said, yo, we need to see if we beat up his pops or something. This shit seems personal. What did Anderson Pat do? Beat up Grandpa. Anderson Pat love me, man. He got some teeth and shit. You know he got some teeth? Oh, you crazy. He got the head, dude. What's up, brother? Oh, shit, man. Digging in the craze, baby. You know, I ain't a shit pack. That's my guy, man. You responded like I thought Bruno was going to respond to me. I was like, yo. Bruno, if you don't remember it, I forgive you. But you did that, brother. You did that to me.
1:07:30I've been to him. I ain't forgiving me. You got to apologize to him. Okay, say the lady that sung that. It was over like a fab from Yonkers. Fond de Ré. Fond de Ré. You go off the Fond de Ré. and you say hey hey Fonda you from Yonkers and she gets to fuck up Jadakus don't ever talk to me like this and you're fucking and you're like yo that would never happen she seen me going to the store for bread when I was there well it happened to me with Bruno Mars that's what I'm trying to tell you sometimes you can't wait I waited 15 years to meet Bruno Mars like I really he waited so long he should have went to his crib a lot of these guys can break your heart man You meet them.
1:08:13No, I'm telling you the truth. You meet them and you just like, you know, I go above and beyond to smile at everybody when they come up to me. Hey, Fat Joey. What's up, guy? I just told you a ass Tom Squit the other day. He said, what's up, pussy?
1:08:34Yo. That's your thing. Yo, J.D., you give it. Hey, pussy. Hey, come on. You from something? he said I'm not pussy I'm from Southern Boulevard Joe he from the Bronx he said I'm not pussy I said Dan the motherfucker heard me we all found yo J.D. you giving up the sequence when is the album dropping? 24th yep yep this month 24th with the film make sure y 'all check it out man real hip hop authentic shit we got a track play one yeah we got a hit play the intro play business merger play business merger Business merger. Play that joint. Play me the joint that you think might could be the biggest. Because Flight & Pickle is going to be the biggest after this show.
1:09:19Play the video with the joint. That's the song. You sure you want to do the video? Because our shit is listening. No, but we could hear it, didn't we? OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's go. This is exclusive. This is exclusive. You might have given us two tasks. We never played nobody's video. We're going to have to multitask. Yo, watch the video. We never played nobody's video. Yo, this is exclusive. Oh, this is exclusive. We getting exclusive here. First time. This is exclusive. That's crazy. Anderson.Paak was a great guy. Same time. Yeah, that's my guy. That's my brother. And they would stand with each other, right?
1:09:49Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're sitting right there with him. He's with him. I got a different reaction. He's probably a great guy, too. Marley must have been in your car. He probably was on something. Legend. He was on that Yacht. When I see Marley. No, no, no. He was probably on that. That's Marley's Manifact. He must have been on that dead end when I met him. He was on that dead end Dead end? He was on that dead end That's the fat No, I'm trying He was on that dead end Get loud, please
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1:10:59We'll be right back. the matters from information i gather i'm finding the answers i've been reading over the chapters they doctoring up the numbers forging all of their data my godly values speak at high volumes without ever having to be the loudest in the room i move like a commander in the military you ain't even qualified get past the preliminaries separate a war witness from award presenters i seen some evil done i'm still shaking off the jitters i'm coming with the thunder yeah i'm going A door with a hammer was counting six, seven, eights before I lived in Atlanta. It's my heart that make me different.
1:11:33This link is apocalyptic. Me and out moving pure, the niggas in our division. I'm tired of acting like this shit ain't watered down for real. Fucking nine to five of you can't relate to this type of feel now. Gave you boys a break. Now I got to deal with me. I try to give them the game. They ain't keeping real with me. I had homies. I was supposed to come up and get rich with me. I had some shorties. I was supposed to stay down and have kids with me. Long story. It's a lot. Now my circle's so small that it's closer to a dot They thought I was repping Grape Street I'm turning up the Watts while I'm beating up the Pots Right now I'm speaking with my chest out Smoke to prevent from getting stressed out The Lamborghini got depressed out I'm working with a different type of textile Everything's simple Janet and a protect out I'm not a vegan, I'm a reptile My appetite for this question is getting trifling Don't go aggressive, I can't sneak a rifle in Got paper in circulation, we keep it cycling We don't do collaboration, it's a business merger Cut a pot, split a burger and make a stretch like a fitness worker I'm on my shit for certain On stage checking the mic behind a custom Dr.
1:12:36Roman and Lee Curvin I'll give you extra cuts like a deluxe version Couple stripes when I'm finished, you'll need a cut surgeon Hits drumming, got the truck swerving Meetings with a tough shirt and you can never put enough work in I put a couple hundred K hours in, days without showering No vase to put a flower in No paper to put the sour in Still no way I'ma throw the towel in Me and HB standing 5 '7 And still looking down on bums and towers
1:13:05Never heard it like this Back to back Beat for beat Bring it back I gave you boys a break Now y 'all gotta deal with me I try to give them the game They ain't keeping real with me All right, homies I was supposed to come up and get rich with me I had some shorties I was supposed to stay down and have kids with me Long story, it's a lot Now my circle's so small that it's closer to a dot They thought I was repping Grape Street I'm turning up the Watts, nigga beating up the Pots, yeah Yes Yes
1:13:40Doing good out here Doing good Make sure y 'all get that goldfish I hit two different It's that one part I don't know, it's the fourth of A-bar with a... What the fuck? That was crazy. That was nuts, man. Goldfish, man. The album, the movie, the experience. Make sure y 'all get in on all platforms. Make sure y 'all that gonna go on tour. Man, he on tour right now. That's when you're getting it in. We gonna do some shows. Yeah, y 'all gotta do some shows. Let's see where it goes, you know. We got a lot of stuff on the plate. Got mad shit. I got mad shit going, but right now, we in this phase. Goldfish.
1:14:22This week with your Alchemist, man. I'm moving, man. I'm proud of you, man. The hell you got here, me? I appreciate it. You moving here, boy? You already, you know, when your fucking sneakers are melting. You are so on fire when your sneakers are melting. Yo, Jaden, look to the left, man. Sneakers is melting. It's a sick mistake. Instead of Mary, right? These are... They got you, Mark. They some hard. That shit, this shit is melting. John Sun got some of those. They got the melting joints. Check this out. This ain't that. That ain't this. It's cracking kiss, motherfucker. Give it up to our guests.
1:14:57I'm commissing hit boy one time. Joe and Jay the show. Appreciate you. Another one. Woo. Thank y 'all for coming through. Yo, that fucking beat right there.
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Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by two legends in the hip hop game, as super-producers Hit-Boy and The Alchemist sit down to discuss their upcoming collaboration album ‘Goldfish.’ Joe and Jada ask Hit-Boy about his most iconic records, including “Sicko Mode” by Travis Scott featuring Drake, “A Milli” by Lil Wayne, and “N****s In Paris” by Jay-Z and Ye (f.k.a. Kanye West). The Alchemist talks about his work with Havoc and Prodigy as Mobb Deep’s unofficial third member, Joe giving him his big break by hopping on the remix to Cypress Hill’s “Tequila Sunrise,” Eminem’s superhuman work ethic, and an UNHINGED story from being in the studio with Joe and Big Pun. Joe also tells a story about an unfortunate run-in he had with Bruno Mars and Anderson .Paak at an awards show.
7:00 - Hit-Boy's most legendary records ("Sicko Mode," "A Milli" & more)
13:30 - Jay-Z helping Hit-Boy get out of his deal
16:00 - Legend of Fat Joe's missing Lexus
19:30 - Alchemist shouts out Joe for his first big break
27:30 - Scott Storch & the fabled Biggie-Fat Joe project
34:30 - Alchemist's iconic collaborations with Mobb Deep
39:00 - Alchemist & Jadakiss' mixup with Ras Kass
42:15 - Mobb Deep's "Win or Lose" was for Jada & Styles P
45:00 - Toasting to new album 'Goldfish'
55:30 - People finally appreciating Alchemist
59:00 - Eminem, Paul Wall & "The White Mafia"
1:05:00 - Fat Joe's run-in with Bruno Mars
1:11:15 - "Business Merger" listening session
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